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[edgy oar]

butbutbut THOR BIG STREAMER HE KNOWS ALL REE /s

[vocal crystal]

honestly seems forever ago but I believe he played mage which has great cc. got critizied for spells/mana

[quartz sonnet]

Thor has a long background in EVE. You don't question the shot caller or else things go from bad to catastrophically unrecoverable, even if their call is "bad."

[outer cobalt]

gamer drama

[gloomy forge]

It would've been 100% Thors fault if they were in peak condition and mental and Thor tilting, but bad communication and consideration on the entire teams end caused it to happen. Personally I think its after the wipe happened they expected a laugh and some memes but it snowballed into something serious.

[earnest cove]

yeah more or less. Thor is one of the most knowledgable about the game ins and outs, especially his old job was to ban bots

[hasty grail]

anyways

https://tenor.com/view/dance-happy-dance-slinky-ferret-dancing-gif-15881741

[lapis tartan]

From what I remember. The lead did a bad pull with a boss that's immune to most status effects. It can also charge forward to close the distance. When the call to run was called, they all ran. Thor used a blizzard to try and slow things down, but the boss is unaffected. So he kept running. When suddenly the call was to fight. That all aside, they had a bad pull before this were they all ran/left. The drama came after.

[opaque raven]

Ok, got it.
Mix of miscommunication, previous stress and bad management

The rest is drama snowball

[earnest cove]

Still, not reasonable to put all the blame on him. I played Wow classic all the way to lich king. things can go south very quickly

[opaque raven]

Where does the mana thing comes into play?

[quartz sonnet]

Pretty much.

Thor had a resource available that could've replenished some of his mana pool that he expended and chose not to use it.

[earnest cove]

mages have a spell called frost nova that freezes everything in a certain range, so it's often used as an escape and rescue tool

[lapis tartan]

Yamato was a drama maker and kept going after Thor. When Thor would start saying he agrees about accountability and they all could have done better, but Yamato kept talking over him so Thor stopped.

[fierce bison]

chose?

[earnest cove]

In that split second moment, he proritized to keep the magic for survival instead of risk getting killed in a rescue

[opaque raven]

Was this discussed on a post mortem?

[lapis tartan]

Even after Thor's removal from the guild, Yamato and other's kept causing drama and getting other's killed. Even that healer who died in Thor's party died again to trolling after.

[earnest cove]

things like that even in real life combat where real people die.... it's tough calls

[quartz sonnet]

Yes. He specifically stated he didn't use it because it would've drawn aggro as mana regeneration counts has healing aggro.

[earnest cove]

which puts him at risk of dying along with everyone else.

[edgy oar]

As a support main I know how scary healing aggro can be

[fierce bison]

i see

[opaque raven]

Like, "let's sit down and see what could have been done and learn from it" post mortem

[quartz sonnet]

It's something all the drama farmers left out of the conversation

[edgy oar]

Drama farmers leave A LOT out of conversations. Funny ain't it?

[earnest cove]

could have happened but instead one of them cried and cried and blame and blame so.........................................

[quartz sonnet]

Unfortunately, if you weren't there for the stream, you can only go off my word since I can't back it up with evidence. All the clips painted Thor in the worst light possible

[edgy oar]

Thor would have been more than happy to discuss what could have been done better but Yamato kept yelling over everyone so Thor decided it was best to just leave.

[quartz sonnet]

Hilarious that Asmongold had the best take out of everyone lmao

[vocal crystal]

wheres this from?

[lapis tartan]

Drama slop lives off lies and cut context and half truths. The thing to point out is after Thor was no longer playing. Onlyfangs tore itself apart over drama and eventually they got Ddos'd into quitting?

[earnest cove]

mister gold was super hardcore in wow, so he knows everything about how the game works

[opaque raven]

Ok, I believe I understand the basics of the case, thanks all

[edgy oar]

I will say it once and say it again, an all content creator guild always crashes and burns because you will always get someone who wants to stir drama for content.

[earnest cove]

maybe the same level as a dev at the rate he played

[quartz sonnet]

tl;dr it's a giant Nothingburger and only folks that farm ad revenue or reddit karma care about it.

[earnest cove]

Btw the guy who brought so much grief made the same mistake in a bigger fight that caused the entire guild to die lol

[opaque raven]

Ye I mean, I care very little about the drama but the actual situation can end up buried under a pile of opinions and misinfo

That's why I asked

[quartz sonnet]

That's fair!

[terse pelican]

I'm 100% betting there was already a general dislike for Thor prior to all the WoW drama, And he just became the scapegoat because of it.

[edgy oar]

Oh 100% there were people already bashing him for how he talked to some of the other streamers.

[opaque raven]

Did someone lose their char on that raid?

[terse pelican]

most of the raid

[edgy oar]

It was Hardcore so like, three people did?

[vocal crystal]

I think since people generally dislike people that speak with authority

[terse pelican]

or you mean the one with Thor?

[opaque raven]

Uhum

[quartz sonnet]

I think two players died? Maybe three?

[terse pelican]

Well, Yeah.

[quartz sonnet]

Pretty sure it was two.

[terse pelican]

IIRC healer and Tank died

[edgy oar]

Druid died, Healer died

[opaque raven]

And how much irl time would take them to put their chars on that level again? Not considering drops and equips

[edgy oar]

I think that was it

Many hours

[terse pelican]

and the Druid was the sane one, He didn't blame Thor at all

[edgy oar]

But part of Hardcore is the risk

[azure glen]

Could be friendly fire. Just put in the unban request and it will get processed

[edgy oar]

If you play Hardcore you know you constantly risk losing your character and all that time

[quartz sonnet]

You die, you go again. That's the motto of hardcore playthroughs.

[edgy oar]

Yeah you just gotta sigh and go again really

[opaque raven]

So it's not absurdly unexpected to die eventually

Right?

[terse pelican]

It's not no

[edgy oar]

It is extremely rare to make it far in Hardcore

Unless you know the game very well

[opaque raven]

Stressful for sure but not absurd

[edgy oar]

Or are carried

[quartz sonnet]

Yes

[wispy plover]

Your likelihood of death in Hardcore is extremely high, no matter how good you are or think you are.

[terse pelican]

Some people died like 4-5 Times, and they kept on going, Although they died way earlier than the level required for the raid

Hell, Esfand got distracted by chat and drowned once ingame

[opaque raven]

Do you lose your equips?

[lapis tartan]

You can lose internet or get Ddos'd and lose your character. Onlyfangs was attacked repeatedly over it and blizzard even had to restore their characters? Only for it to happen again. So they quit.

[terse pelican]

Character with everything on it + Bank is Gone

[wispy plover]

You lose everything

[edgy oar]

EVERYTHING gets deleted

WEven your bank gets deleted

[opaque raven]

Can you quickly pass your equips to someone else if you are sure you are going to die?

[edgy oar]

And that's one big reason Thor didn't wanna take any risks, his bank had all the enchant mats for the entire guild.

[lapis tartan]

If you're in a guild, they can help you re-gear and level up.

[earnest cove]

Asmongold believes that permadeath mode shouldn't exist for WoW because of how long it takes to recover and how much attachment a person gets with the character. It's Drama Bait Mode and very unhealthy

[terse pelican]

Bind on Pickup/Equip items no, the rest possibly, But I think it was against the rules, Or atleast an unspoken rule

[opaque raven]

It's a challenge for sure, and I suppose having a group makes it more reasonable

[wispy plover]

gear binds on equip, so not really. Maybe gold? But trying to do that mid dying would be pointless as you could use that time to... survive better

[earnest cove]

in real life there are people who just never enter combat they're called shopkeepers--

[quartz sonnet]

The guild leader of OnlyFangs, whom has had decades of experience playing the game, died in a really dumb way and had to re-roll a character and hand off leadership to another player. Dying in Hardcore is pretty normal just to give dying in Hardcore context.

[opaque raven]

Ok, cool

[terse pelican]

Experience can lead to complacency, and a lack of awareness of the danger

[edgy oar]

You could literally be playing your best and suddenly die to the dumbest stuff. That's just WoW

[terse pelican]

Yup

[wispy plover]

A disconnect can cost it all

[terse pelican]

Walking off bridges in Thunderbluff? Splat.

[lapis tartan]

Oh, the invisible ghosts that agro if you AOE?

[terse pelican]

Those too in Undercity

I think it's called

[wispy plover]

Had a guy duel me once, and after I beat him and his HP was 1, he accidentally ran into a torch

funniest thing I ever saw in WoW

[opaque raven]

Are raids necessary?

[edgy oar]

If you want the good gear? Yes.

[earnest cove]

yes

they're nessecary

[lapis tartan]

Not just good gear, bragging rights.

[muted robin]

Wait onlyfangs got ddosed during raid a second time?

[terse pelican]

Kinda, Unless you just want to do 'easy' content

and never try to challenge yourself/The group

[lapis tartan]

It was a streamer event after all, so a lot of people messing around for content.

[opaque raven]

Are the levels and etc leveled to the raid?

[wispy plover]

It's not 100% necessary, but if you don't plan to, not really sure what the point of even doing it would be.

Especially as Hardcore pretty much mostly removes PvP as an element

[lapis tartan]

That's at least what the youtube videos I've seen said.

[earnest cove]

I would say it's nessecary because all the storylines end in raids

[vocal crystal]

the whole server did

[wispy plover]

Raids in hardcore are a max level thing. So you have to be level 60

[opaque raven]

I mean, for hardcore, for the leveling and drops purpose

[muted robin]

Nothing is "necessary" in an MMO but in WoW raids are endgame content that gives the best gear so more or less

[opaque raven]

I was thinking about the opposite, getting a group of lvl60 experienced players and running lower raids to get equips for the lvl30~50 guild members

[muted robin]

In wow raids are max level only (60), the lower level instanced content is dungeons which are for 5 man groups

[earnest cove]

Because of how the game was structured the only way to get your final stuff is in there. You could technically live a normal life never going to a raid and concentrate on business if you want. That's not what the game's endgame wants tho

[wispy plover]

So with OF, there were initially a lot of restrictions on that and they wouldn't let you cus they didnt want people to get carried.

[opaque raven]

Oh....kinda makes sense

[wispy plover]

So carrying them through dungeons to get gear to help level wasn't really allowed. Which makes some sense.

[earnest cove]

Yeah in normal play experienced players have made a business carrying low levels

Or some do it voluntarily to help as a community

[muted robin]

Dungeons range from around level 13 all the way to 60, they're in instances separate from the world and aside from like 3 exceptions only 5 people can enter at a time. Also since some dungeons are 55-60 or 58-60 it means they can still be a threat even for max level players

[wispy plover]

Yeah like in regular retail I used to carry my buddies alts through stuff all the time

[opaque raven]

And the difference between normal gear and raid gear is for sure worth the risk?

[terse pelican]

Yes

[opaque raven]

Oh

[lapis tartan]

They were all there to have fun and make content. Goof around, but then it sorta kept escalating. Stakes got higher as the levels got higher.

[wispy plover]

raid gear trounces quest and dungeon gear

[earnest cove]

Absolutely. The amount of stats man

[edgy oar]

Raid gear is the best in the game

[muted robin]

I mean the original game wasn't designed with permadeath in mind so "worth" is kind of a sticky determinant

[wispy plover]

There are random world epic drops, but even those only go so far. And the chance of them dropping is extremely rare

[muted robin]

Wow classic hardcore is literally the exact same vanilla build of wow but with permadeath slapped on and you can tell bc literally none of the instadeath bugs were fixed lol

[earnest cove]

Some weapons required a whole journey of going through multiple raids and killing specific bosses

[wispy plover]

And also OF werent allowed to use the auction house

[opaque raven]

I mean, I'm considering the risk with exclusively hardcore in mind

[wispy plover]

So they would have to find it themselves

[terse pelican]

There was people that cheated and got kicked out of OF

[muted robin]

Wow hardcore classic is basically just if pokemon players convinced nintendo to make nuzlocking an official game mode

[lapis tartan]

Yeah, a lot of drama causers kinda kept pushing things too far.

[wispy plover]

Never thought about it like that, but pretty much

[earnest cove]

Of course those drama people refuse to take their own responsibility and constantly blamed others at escalating rates

[muted robin]

Except at least the nuzlocke community is less toxic and has deliberately built itself around not gatekeeping and not harassing people for how they play, things wow players are very bad at

[edgy oar]

I wish nuzlocking was official

[opaque raven]

Was OnlyFans a solid static group?

[wispy plover]

Red doesnt black out though... no no. He gets that true evil team rocket treatment.

[lapis tartan]

One got into trouble, so had had to do a 1 v a lot of people. They "cheated" by escaping to a safer instance of the server area.

[wispy plover]

Depends on what you mean

[lapis tartan]

OnlyFangs was a group that would mix things up so streamers could share and grow their audiences.

[earnest cove]

Funger vibes there

[opaque raven]

Things like
Weekly raids with the same party
Macro and micro trained shot callers
Knowledge transfer

[edgy oar]

Kinda?

Some groups would do raids with each other often cuz they were friends.

But some others would mix up their groups to interact with different people

[wispy plover]

Not exactly. There were cliques formed and stuff. But like the raid leader and shot callers during raids were supposed to change every week

[edgy oar]

Pretty sure Thor never played with Yamato before that instance.

[wispy plover]

Also, with risk of death, if someone died, the party or raid would have to change accordingly

[lapis tartan]

Thor also had other bad pulls and even helped groups through bad situations. Yamato was a big factor in that instance.

[terse pelican]

They did two dungeons, First one was a failure and they had to bail, No deaths, 2nd one is what caused the drama

[wispy plover]

The mistake Thor made was sticking with that group after the first miserable dungeon they did. Thor was fully in his right to let that entire party die with the stupid crap they were doing.

[opaque raven]

Can you escape raids?

[edgy oar]

If you run back to the start yes

[terse pelican]

Yes. Either by running out, or using a Petri Flask ( and dropping out of the Raid, Which causes you to be teleported out )

[wispy plover]

If you are crafty enough. But that is considered... a banned term here probably lol

Starts with R and if you pay attention to twitch chat, you've likely seen it followed by the user getting banned

[lapis tartan]

Asmon tore him apart for making a call when not the lead? Then blaming Thor and also not helping in the escape till the end when he threw a blind at the boss who shrugged it off. Mind you Yamato is a rogue and had his own abilities he could have used to help save people. Which he did before that instance.

[terse pelican]

Yamato's also a LoL Player, so Toxicity runs in his veins

[edgy oar]

The big mistake was making Yamato a shot caller

Dude had very little experience in the game

[opaque raven]

I mean, it's good to have people rotate as shot callers imo

[wispy plover]

He technically wasnt. But when someone shouts "run" in hardcore, you run. The risk is high.

[river cargo]

They take wiki jokes as fact because they have no sense of humour

[lapis tartan]

I thought the tank was the shot caller, which is why Yamato making any calls was confusing? Or was it a co-lead thing?

[outer cobalt]

dunno, even in league pro i doubt shotcallers change

[wispy plover]

You play it safe over "we can beat this" or whatever Yamato said

[edgy oar]

"Guys we can salvage this" While running from 6 mobs and the boss.

[gloomy forge]

This chat right now reads like "damn son this new drama is so dumb and boring, lets talk about the old drama instead"

[outer cobalt]

Well in league if youre behind you often have to risk it

[gloomy forge]

[outer cobalt]

But ig for hardcore you better run and reset instead of trying

[edgy oar]

In League you don't lose all your progress for risking it.

[lapis tartan]

Hey, we have someone willing to listen to our babbling. I'm old, I crave the attention.

[terse pelican]

League and WoW Hardcore aren't the same though. In League, You either win or Lose, In WoW Hardcore, you either Live or Die.

[wispy plover]

The risk in League isnt the same

[outer cobalt]

Yes thats true

[edgy oar]

Imagine Hardcore League. You lose a match and your account progress gets wiped.

[outer cobalt]

Im just trying to understand what Yamato psychologically was doing

[golden latch]

sanctioned smurfing

[edgy oar]

Fumbling. He was fumbling.

[wispy plover]

Uh... being loud.

[terse pelican]

Being himself, With no regard for anyone else. That's what

[gloomy forge]

I'm just worried that once all the drama is gone you guys have withdrawel symptoms

[wispy plover]

Thats what he was doing lol

[outer cobalt]

[gloomy forge]

I have no drama but I must chat

[jolly sky]

Yamato was looking for his scapegoat. He found it.

And then proceeded to do the very same thing he was accusing Thor of doing 2-3 weeks later

[golden latch]

I want to talk about cool technology not drama

[terse pelican]

I'll create drama with you when it's all over.

[serene valley]

I have withdrawal symptoms right now

I want to withdraw from the drama

[jolly sky]

And Tyler1 ATE him for lunch

[terse pelican]

Did you guys hear that Dray2K showers with socks on?! It's crazy!

[edgy oar]

I actually like talking about the WoW stuff because it's an interesting series of events that speak volumes about that whole guild.

[golden latch]

thats weird?

[gloomy forge]

warms up bedsheets

[opaque raven]

In League you need to win every game so shotcallers don't need to change, but on a group that is not so static, you have new people coming in and play with different people from time to time it's good that more people know how to be a shotcaller
I'm saying this with Destiny 2 and FF14 in mind

[gloomy forge]

h-how do you know this about me.

[terse pelican]

I heard it on the internet, So it must be true

[lapis tartan]

I require clarity. Are they shower socks with grips on the bottoms so you don't fall. Or your regular socks...

[edgy oar]

Dray2k also wears socks with sandals

[terse pelican]

I don't believe that, They're not Linus.

[golden latch]

Hospital socks yes

[gloomy forge]

They have the little white knobs so you don't fall also they're striped.

[edgy oar]

Okay real talk

I love hospital socks

[harsh viper]

what are hospital socks

[edgy oar]

They are so comfy and I love the lil grippers

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/logical-flawlessly-logical-spock-star-trek-the-original-series-gif-23575428

[opaque raven]

Comfy and warm

[terse pelican]

Good Socks.

[edgy oar]

Why can't we just buy hospital socks?

[opaque raven]

They are disposable

You would have to buy 20 per month

[edgy oar]

Aren't they just disposable because they're in a hospital and everything has to be disposable there

[golden latch]

The white are embedded silicone for grip so they have shoe like stability

[golden latch]

You can

[harsh viper]

but like, where do you get that... in my country you have to bring your own toilet paper to the hospital

nno one is giving you socks

[golden latch]

The shopping name is “slipper socks” if you want to buy them

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/hilarious-hey-gif-9959410

[edgy oar]

thank you

[jolly sky]

So, they're willing to let patients sit back in their beds with a shit-stained ass? How is that hygienic in any way

[vocal crystal]

happens everyday in every hospital in america

[golden latch]

Its a thing that atleast in America its a common thing for patients since they remove all your clothing (including shoes) you bring in cause you could be sick cause of environmental factors so they effectively isolate you from anything you normally interact with to test and help you recover.

[opaque raven]

Wait what, reeeeally???

Or just absurd over exaggeration?

[harsh viper]

lol, no

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/sword-in-the-stone-disney-ector-fml-oh-come-on-gif-12163272

[harsh viper]

we were just very recently making fun of our hospitals being the inspiration for post-apocalyptical abandonded buildings

[vocal crystal]

why Im choosing to not continue in medical after all these years

[golden latch]

And since you get your human gunk (and wear and tear) on it they just let you keep them usually so they are commonly known as hospital socks cause thats where people normally get a pair (kinda how pork baloney in russian for a long time was called “doctors sausage” cause thats where you would normally get it from)

[vocal crystal]

military med>civi med

[harsh viper]

we also have a very famous duo of hospital pigeons

found it... outlast vs the corridor to the intensive care section

[lapis tartan]

This real life, or a weird horror game?

[harsh viper]

the one on the right is real life :D

[jolly sky]

LMAO, Brutalist architecture hospitals

[harsh viper]

YUP

[opaque raven]

Hospital.....
......
....pigeons

[jolly sky]

Admitted to a hospital looking like this;

"Yea, I'ma die here"

[edgy oar]

After playing PowerWash Sim this just looks like a level from that game.

[lapis tartan]

That place looks like it has bodies in the concrete...

[opaque raven]

I mean, I recently stayed on a hospital for 3 days and I had the best tomato soup of my life

[jolly sky]

In all honesty Brutalist Architecture looks dope

[split tulip]

Just take an upside down left at the mc esher stairs

[harsh viper]

not quite there

but not too far from it

[jolly sky]

Holy shit yea thats uhhhh

yea

Too close for comfort

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-the-dark-knight-joker-click-click-this-should-work-gif-19287784

[harsh viper]

I mean... kinda? not when it replaced actual historic buildings... and especially not now 60 years later with no money for renovations

[golden latch]

Brutalism can but most modern brutalism is tied with minimalism and looks trash

[opaque raven]

No, like, for real
The food was fantastic but sadly I couldn't eat on the first day

[lapis tartan]

Sounds like you lucked out in some weird way. Hospital food is normally well, hospital food, the running gag is it being bad.

[winter sierra]

When used well yes

[muted robin]

They had no set shot caller from what i can tell which eas half the problem

Unironically if you look at the clip you can hear ozy (the tank) saying "just run" and then a second later yamato yells "why are you walking" at pirate

[opaque raven]

idk, hospitals here are pretty chill, I always had great experiences
And after you stay you receive a questionnaire about your stay, what was good and bad, from parking lot to water temperature, you can review everything

[lapis tartan]

Far from chill where I was at. Lots of bad experiences.

[jolly sky]

I'm going purely off of aesthetics just to clarify

[golden latch]

I think it’s usually stated hospital food is bland which some see as bad.

[earnest cove]

The moment the stream ended the comments bots are flooding

The one with hot girls as their profiles

Btw why was "chris" tts immediately got yeeted (it's towards the end of the vod)

Ban evaders?

[terse pelican]

Probably said something bad, or mentioned a topic that Thor has explicitly said is a No-Go

[gloomy forge]

Wait, the stream is over? I wasn't here for a bit.

Thought it was a normal 12 hour stream, or did he stream for that long already.

[terse pelican]

Seems so. I went to take a shower and came back to Wigglers.

[swift gulch]

There was one dono comment that I'm disappointed got sniped, it didn't seem bad faith to me and actually got a chuckle

"You said you worked at Blizzard for nine years, but I worked at Dairy Queen for eight years so I have more Blizzards than you"

[gloomy forge]

I mean right now things are very heated, so sometimes things that seem inoffensive may get the boot.

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[gloomy forge]

I can fully understand that.

[swift gulch]

Hey, it made me chuckle 😛

[terse pelican]

It just goes over my head

[swift gulch]

Dairy Queen sells a type of ice cream cup called a Blizzard

[terse pelican]

Ah

[lethal wedge]

I think I may have been banned for asking what a Janny was… cause ya know it’s similar to my name. Not actually sure though. Mods aren’t sure either. I miss
Chat. :((

[hasty grail]

a blizzard is a VERY thick shake

[gloomy forge]

I mean there is a logical error in the joke, you cannot say "you worked for nine years and I worked for eight" and then say that you worked for longer

[swift gulch]

But they made many Blizzards during those years, while Thor only worked for a single Blizzard 😛

[gloomy forge]

Wait why would you get banned?

[high ember]

i have experienced no blizzards
never seen snow in my life

[gloomy forge]

That kinda makes me sad, you at least been at beaches?

[high ember]

yep

[terse pelican]

I've experienced Snow, but nothing I would classify as a Blizzard.

[gloomy forge]

nice thats actually a super important life goal. Every person should at least see snow or been at a beach once.

[high ember]

i live in Australia (and not in the mountains or Tasmania) all we have close to snow is hail and rain

[gloomy forge]

Yeah 100% understandable, I already thought you would live under a very warm climate.

[opaque raven]

Good joke
Bad timing

[swift gulch]

I saw it as playing off of the usual "lol you worked at Blizzard" criticisms

[gloomy forge]

Yeah its also not a big deal

@lethal wedge ask a mod, send a mod ticket, I'm sure your ban will be resolved in seconds should you have one.

Yeah, making light hearted jokes to dissolve the problem.

[swift gulch]

Exactly

[gloomy forge]

The thing is that the flak became so severe I can see why Thor and some people may become defensive when it comes to the situation.

[swift gulch]

Ye

[gloomy forge]

Its difficult to find a balance here.

[swift gulch]

Not saying they were in the wrong to snipe it, because I get why
I'm just disappointed that it was

[gloomy forge]

Not blaming you obviously. Many people in this community probably smiled or chuckled but yeah. Right now things are heated. Maybe in the future Thor is more acceptive.

[flint sinew]

so

how goes....the weather? idk

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/its-hot-damn-hot-good-morning-vietnam-damn-hot-real-hot-studio-gif-17609702

[terse pelican]

We had a random occurance of rain out of nowhere

[gloomy forge]

A bit windy, but otherwise I love it.

Hopefully your job wasn't too stressful today mr. mod.

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/seize-the-day-believe-one-day-stop-breathing-turn-cold-gif-15819050

[gloomy forge]

I was just suprised and all that the strim ended soon.

[solemn echo]

Thor said he wanted to call his grandmother before he is going to bed after the stream. So thats maybe why its ended 30 mins earlier

[gloomy forge]

ahhhh i see.

[solemn echo]

Also he won his Niota run, so it was a good ending point

[gloomy forge]

Wait, was this his first win in the game?

He said he rached late game only a handful of times.

[serene valley]

ever? no

[hasty grail]

not his first

[flint sinew]

nah he's won before

[hasty grail]

sooo Noita is weird

[serene valley]

today? idk

[gloomy forge]

Ahhh alright.

[hasty grail]

beating the game is somewhat "mid game" type of activity

or when you go from beginning to mid game

[flint sinew]

surviving is really the game

[hasty grail]

midgame is learning and being able to break the game, most likely your first god run

late game is being able to make a god run with a ham sandwich and a ball of twine

also learning about all the puzzles

[solemn echo]

The lava bath from chat doing the boss fight defiantly helped

[hasty grail]

i thought chat was very helpful when it summoned the health potion orb on him

[hushed vine]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-flashes-menopause-gif-2170168855270401966

[jolly sky]

It's wayyyyy better than it was here

We're down 15 degrees C

[flint sinew]

nice

you're almost normal

[lethal wedge]

I’ve submitted a mod ticket & they can’t figure it out so it’s been forwarded to Khronos. It’s been 2/3 days now. :( sadness thanks for the support thought

[hasty grail]

https://youtu.be/BIikfdNIHQE

[solemn echo]

Cloudy and rain today where I live, so good weather for me

[serene valley]

wonder if that's what khronos just mentioned on stream

[umbral gazelle]

AH yes concrete henge

[robust galleon]

That looks like a rendering glitch of someone's Rust base.

[hoary pawn]

Hello y’all, I’ve taken a break from this community for the last few days. Has the drama stuff calmed down?

[muted robin]

nope

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-dwayne-johnson-seven-bucks-the-rock-fake-laugh-gif-20130201

[hoary pawn]

I can understand like a swarm of people coming in like 1-2 days after Charlie’s video and Ross’s video… but we’re going on weeks man. How do people have this much time?

[reef geyser]

It's new videos continuing to be released, because they are getting 1m+ views and it's easy money for farmers.

[hoary pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-oh-yeah-you're-right-the-nice-guys-holland-march-gif-9483215151842463450

[reef geyser]

You aaaaalmost can't blame them. It's just printing money off of an unfortunately sheep-audience

[hoary pawn]

I saw there was some attempt to pivot the dramatuber scene over to Coryxkenshin??? Trying to say that he SA’d a woman. Another near-perfect record creator under fire for no reason at all

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-warm-hug-depressed-hug-gif-4585064738068342394

in slightly positive and personal news, my college diploma finally arrived

[hoary pawn]

🥳🎉congrats

[gloomy forge]

yooo nice.

well done

[hasty grail]

and now i can smack people with the "im a teacher" if they try to question me in regards to them not understanding how schools work

[hoary pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/muhahaha-muhaa-evil-evil-laugh-duck-gif-18128094925251931977

[swift star]

My job is an icebox. It has to be, though.

I just hate when I go outside and feel myself sizzle. x_x

[jolly sky]

The unending cesspit of other Youtubers looking to cash in on the slop drama Youtube $$$$

And sadly, they're being rewarded for it

[late bane]

it was never about the movement for most of them, it was just about attacking Thor as a person.

[hoary pawn]

It’s either someone else just decided to spread false BS shit about someone OR a YouTuber makes a small mistake or mess-up and then the entire internet crucifies them for it and makes tons of “[insert YouTuber/streamer here] just ENDED their career”

Feels like after Thor had a hard time admitting he made a mistake in WoW, the internet has been unrelenting in its search for every single one of his faults

[swift star]

Coding Judas' vids getting over 1 mil undeserved views. It's a domino effect farm.

[jolly sky]

Thing is, he admitted he made mistakes. He said as such like 10 minutes after the dungeon. Yet that wasn't clipped or paid any attention to. And everyone took the side of the Scapegoater (Yamato)

[swift star]

Algo's getting exploited hard.

Stomp the truth and drum up the hit-piece headlines. Disgusting.

[jolly sky]

I don't want to bring up the absolute gunge pit that was OnlyFangs, I'm just glad that Thor met some actual good people from it. (Winky, Annie, Redzy, and KristoferYee)

[hoary pawn]

What did Tyler1 say? Wasn’t he playing WoW at the same time?

[shut ocean]

He said from what I remember Thor shoulda just apologized and moved on, but the immense amount of hate is uncalled for

[hoary pawn]

Based T1, not milking drama and just giving his 2 cents and moving on

[shut ocean]

I mean its a video game.

[granite sparrow]

i wish thor would have been able to do only fans. Tasteful cooked noodles

[shut ocean]

what

[wet coral]

Never seen Thor's Noods?

[granite sparrow]

only once or twice?

[wind hare]

It's not based if you're the leader of the group and you don't tell everyone to knock it off.

[shut ocean]

I mean T1 was just the in game leader

soda was the one putting it all together

He decided to kick Thor from the guild

[jolly sky]

I won't lie, I felt second hand schadenfreude from Tyler1 going off on Yamato for doing the same thing he was accusing Thor of doing

[wind hare]

Soda and T1 were from wat I understand the "top dogs" of that group, by views and rep. They could have shut that shit down but they used it for views like everyone else

[shut ocean]

of course they did it was a content guild

thats the whole point of OnlyFangs

[wind hare]

There is content, and there is trying to ruin others to boost yourself up. That whole group is full of people I wouldn't deal with in the real world

[shut ocean]

As far as I am aware everything that followed had nothing to do with people from the guild. Sure people said they dislike Thor and made some jokes, but I mean come on if you cant take a joke about a video game mistake idk if you should be on the internet

All the hate after is just terminally ill online users tryna stir shit

[wind hare]

No, you can't get away with that. You can't use a situation that is spiraling out of control and just take a small part and make fun of it. It feels into the whole storm. It's like if you fell down and split your head open. Sure the fall was funny but now your dying. I'm just going to joke about how you fell though and offer nothing for your head

Golden Rule -

Treat others as one would like others to treat them (positive or directive form)[1]
Do not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated (negative or prohibitive form)
What one wishes upon others, they wish upon themselves (empathetic or responsive form)

[jolly sky]

I mean, there were also people inside the guild sending him death threats so, it escalated way beyond just jokes

[muted robin]

I don't think tyler1 really milked it tho? He was literally calling out half of his molten core raid for not listening to his call and running away not weeks after they dumped on pirate for doing the same

[shut ocean]

sauce?

[gloomy forge]

As much as I don't want to say it because its rude and somewhat messed up, big streamers 100% in their career will at some point friction and that friction decides where part of the audience vanishes and another part of another audience grows. Viewers are finite.

I 100% get why Thor is so stubborn here, because he actually was invovled with the wow team unlike other big streamers. That alone made him set apart BUT he also talks like your typical gamer. Of course his professional background somewhat gave him a sense of decorum.

[muted robin]

T1 was there for it but he wasn't feeding it

[jolly sky]

Lost to Twitch time as the vods only stay up for 2 months, but i witnessed them myself, watching his stream, and watching him literally report them

[shut ocean]

memebers from the guild..

[jolly sky]

This was via in-game messages

[shut ocean]

I find that hard to believe

[gloomy forge]

Moonmoon has gotten death threads because of simple interactions with other streamers in GTA RP. that stuff really is common if you're a big streamer and its never ok. You can downplay it but it doesn't make it ok.

And he has gotten thousands of death threats too because of the controversy he had to go through as well.

[muted robin]

If only you knew how bad things really are /hj

[hoary pawn]

Honestly, after rewatching the WoW stuff. Thor was incredibly disrespectful to Yamato

[shut ocean]

I mean I would like to see a source of a guild member sending death threats

[shut ocean]

this

[muted robin]

From what i gather streamer activity groups are one controversy away from cannibalizing each other alive for content

[wind hare]

I think this situation migh be different, as Thor already had a group of people after him, waiting for him to do anything wrong. This just gave them ammo to drag people to their side. I mean there were like 2 people today who said they hate furries. That has NOTHING to do with whats going on, but shows that those people are dragging shit was years ago back into the light just to jab at him

[gloomy forge]

What I mean is, don't say "sauce pls" but see the pattern as a whole. The bigger you are, the higher the chances millions of people know you and a tiny fraction of them will do transgressive stuff like sending you big hate.

[jolly sky]

Well when you come out of the gate swinging (Yamato) you're not exactly going to give much respect to the person trying to scapegoat you

[shut ocean]

Why cant I ask for a source, thats a pretty big allegation

I can understand deranged viewers

but actual streamer

[jolly sky]

You can ask for a source, but you're going to have ask Twitch themselves for the vods that no longer exist

[muted robin]

Did you watch the entire conversation where Thor explained what happened and why he did what he did in the presence of Tyler (not guild leader but he was a raid leader of somr kind) or did you just see the cherrypicked "nah I'm good" part

[gloomy forge]

I meant the death threads thing sent by random audiences. If its send/done by a specific streamer/guild member then its something else of course but I never heard of that.

[shut ocean]

Yeah thats no good

[hoary pawn]

All Yamato did was say “why are you running pirate?” And then went straight to explaining why he thought what Pirate did wasn’t right.

Thor cut him off, then yelled him for talking over him. Then said “you done making your point buddy?” And “go roll a mage” and hung up when Yamato told him he was finished making his point

[flint sinew]

we still discussing this?

[swift lily]

the best you can get is the youtube vods, but the cut off is 11:55:00. anything after that, well, good luck

[hoary pawn]

I just rewatched it, that’s all

[shut ocean]

unfortunately

[wind hare]

Why does Yamato deserve respect? Respect for what? Does he have a royal title I am unaware of?

[jolly sky]

And thats fair enough, I'm not expecting you to go on word alone, as I would ask the same thing. All I can say is what I saw with my own eyes.

[shut ocean]

He doesnt deserve disrespect is what that guys saying

[hoary pawn]

In my view, no matter how disrespectful someone is being, it doesn’t make it okay to be super disrespectful back. That’s just me tho

[muted robin]

Honestly onlyfangs was a guild where a healer got a max level tank killed in a raid bc he was too busy admiring his own gear to pay attention to instructions, then dropped the f bomb on the raid leader when called out, so like. Lol lmao even on them soiling their pants over Pirate being rude after being singlehandedly blamed for a pull the whole party pulled up

[gloomy forge]

Yeah thats true, but the whole situation was very heated. It would've been better to just banter about it and appologize if things go too far.

[wind hare]

I can understand your view but I don't have the same beliefs. They get what they give.

[gloomy forge]

Just my opinion about it, I wasn't even looking at the discord, just checked and people are discussing things again

[shut ocean]

Think it was the ego issue

[muted robin]

Homie was being gaslighted the whole time by people saying "we're not saying it was all your fault" as they were saying it was all his fault and he could've saved the pull from the tank's bad positioning, two accidental pulls, and the druid's additional two extra pulls

[wind hare]

You are saying Ego but I don't think thats what you mean

[muted robin]

And then half the guild roached out on Tyler one like 2 weeks later so 🍵

[gloomy forge]

Honestly, its not the first time it happened here but I get it right now its big. I'm just worried that people here get withdrawel symptoms once there is no drama because we talked about this stuff for so long.

[muted robin]

Also fair tbh

[wind hare]

It's a hardcore server, why wouldn't you try to save your hours of grinding?

[shut ocean]

I mean his ego yes

[gloomy forge]

Hey its alright I'm not always here, its nice that people discuss this though everyones voice is important. I'm just some stranger and kinda new to the community.

[shut ocean]

same

[muted robin]

Bc they had 8 warriors with execute abilities on a boss with 25k health left

[harsh viper]

btw like literally none of that matters, because even if someone is "disrespectful" to you or his "ego" is the problem or whatever, it should not result in death threats

[jolly sky]

There was a lot of "Thor if you did this one thing, we all could have got out" - from one person.

Everyone else in that group had no beef. Sure, there was disappointment that their characters died, but that was it.

There was going to be a death no matter what once the Tank pulled 3 groups of mobs.

[shut ocean]

You cant stop online hate

its impossible to contain

[gloomy forge]

if its impossible to contain, doesn't this imply that even being nice is pointless?

[harsh viper]

what even is that argument

[shut ocean]

im saying you will get people doing it even if its not warranted

sadly thats the internet we live in

[indigo wadi]

it's not pointless to be nice. There's always a reason to be nice at first.

[wind hare]

So? They didn't train anyone in that group on how to play WoW. If you go into a raid with a bunch of scrubs who just started playing and expect them to know what they are doing thats your fault. This is why i don't play hardcore. Not worth bs

[muted robin]

Honestly the wildest thing to me was finding out more about Thor and seeing stuff like his game jams, starting an animal shelter, paying his mods full time wages with benefits, and encouraging people to dev games no matter what, yet terminally online classic wow players want me to believe that Thor getting pissy over being blamed for a bad dungeon pull is what REALLY defines his character

[muted robin]

A bunch of scrubs? There were ppl in there that had been playing for literal years

[gloomy forge]

I was making a statement regarding nicks point, that you cannot stop online hate.

[muted robin]

T1 hand vetted the raid for ppl he thought he could trust

[indigo wadi]

oh for sure you cannot stop online hate, doesn't mean you should stop being nice.

[wind hare]

And how did that work out?

[gloomy forge]

True, but it was an implication that being nice also means you get hate, which isn't the case. I hope you can see what I mean.

[indigo wadi]

Gotcha

[shut ocean]

debatable lol

Think there are always gunna be haters

[hoary pawn]

If someone is being disrespectful and you decide to just be disrespectful right back to them, IMO that’s the equivalent of seeing a fire and then instead of pouring water on it, you pour gasoline because “well I didn’t start the fire so might as well make it worse”

[gloomy forge]

You may get some hate, but no death threads, I don't think it ever happened.

[shut ocean]

Think youd be surprised

[harsh viper]

that also brings us back to the "cannibalizing each other for content" point

[indigo wadi]

death threats are common

[gloomy forge]

Eh, then its not really hate we're talking about. Obviously I get what you mean here, but I wouldn't really compare that to concise hatred. its more than that.

[indigo wadi]

and being nice to the disresepctful isn't going to change their mindset.

[wind hare]

Might even reinforce it since they aren't seeing a negative reation

[gloomy forge]

@indigo wadi Already gave the example regarding GTA 5 RP, scroll up or use the search. people post death threads even over common things, but "being nice alone" is not the impetus.

not difficult to understand what I mean.

[harsh viper]

but incentivizing hate raids will certainly make it worse

[indigo wadi]

nah it won't. Those that are automatically disrespectful do not care about nicities. They're just there to spew it.

[indigo wadi]

anyone that incentivizes hate raids are human garbage

[wind hare]

I don't think all of them. I've seen it be a learned behaviour. They learn that if they get what they want from what they are doing, they are going to continue to act that way.

[indigo wadi]

Can't say I've seen anyone whose come in being disresepectful, get treated nice and suddenly change their toon. That may happen in a minority of times, but the majority of the time online? Nah, won't happen.

[harsh viper]

technically what they want is attention, and they're getting it so their behavior is rewarded

[indigo wadi]

I'm also incredibly cynically jaded

[wind hare]

I'm not saying to treat them nice, I'm just talking about if they are rude, you don't give them whatever they are after. If its attention you shut them down. If they are calling for a refund you say No. Otherwise it will continue to the next person

[gloomy forge]

Everyone knows here and most probably are aware that hate online is a problem, so thats good. At least you guys are aware.

[indigo wadi]

then it's better to ban em outright and they can go look elsewhere

[harsh viper]

yep

I'd go as far as to not give them that opportunity at all, but that's not thor's style

[gloomy forge]

Sunken Cost, etc.

If no reward, then the emotional investment wouldn't have any value.

[indigo wadi]

Unfortunately, they'll find the reward somewhere

[harsh viper]

prevention > correction

[harsh viper]

that's the cynicism and we'll beat that out of you

with love

[indigo wadi]

haha

no yo uwont

[gloomy forge]

I agree, depends on the scale. In Thors case its certainly true.

[indigo wadi]

i'm 42 years old. I've seen far more nonsense than good

pre/current/post internet age. Forever jaded

[nova bough]

you are the answer, but do you know the question

[swift star]

I feel similarly though maybe not as jaded.

I do have my moments, though. 👴

[harsh viper]

I've been a female teen in irc spaces. You can't imagine the shit I've seen 🤣. But I've still got hope :D

[indigo wadi]

Why is this simulation so glitched

[indigo wadi]

Pretty sure I can

[swift star]

Let's go a little further: how can we make the jank work for us?

[nova bough]

still a problem if you like mmos or mobas. man i never turn on my mic in mobas.

mmos i wait until the group im with proves themselves to not be toxic

i solved the problem by not playing mmos or mobas

[harsh viper]

well unless you've been the one putting it into some girl's dm, I highly doubt that

[blissful imp]

Didn't MoonMoon cheat on his wife with another woman he played GTA RP with?

[indigo wadi]

define cheat

[wind hare]

We need some player one stuff added in. Ban people from the internet

[blissful imp]

uhhh. from what i heard they f'ed

[indigo wadi]

like IRL?

[blissful imp]

yes. but this is what i had heard when that was going down.

[indigo wadi]

well if it's all just rumours, then meh

there's tons of drama surrounding GTA RP anyways

[wind hare]

Maybe they have an open relationship, or its just rumor.

[indigo wadi]

honestly shouldn't matter anyways

[jolly sky]

Weirdly enough even as a cynical bastard, in the very rare solo games I've played in Dota 2, I've managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat with a rando team by being realistic and by just laying things how they are over VC. No emotion one way or the other, just pure direction and understanding

[indigo wadi]

Too many ppl wanna make private affaris public

[gloomy forge]

Yes but also no, its complicated. Also its not nice to talk about others life like that even if it was public. Its not the same, but kinda similar like what the haters do with Thor right now.

"Didn't MoonMoon cheat on his wife with another woman he played GTA RP with?" = "Wasn't PirateSoftware that managem guy who worked for blizzard?" Hope you get my analogy. I said this before but becoming a hater is easy and its not just because of anonymity.

[blissful imp]

i mean its not just rumours, i'm just saying that's what i read online when the drama happened.

[indigo wadi]

sure, but doesn't matter. It's a private matter. Keep it there.

[harsh viper]

oh nonono, I don't do voice chat with people I don't know :D... but I used to fit in mmos/mobas quite well, I won't go into details why, I don't know these people well enough for that :D

[nova bough]

yeah. sometimes you can get a good group. its doubly toxic if you start up vc with a feminine voice.

[nova bough]

same tbh

[nova bough]

i used to, don't anymore

[wind hare]

It used to be fun playing LoL with chat disabled. You could imagine the other players as not being asshats

[blissful imp]

i still think the dream situation that happened is a better analogy, but that's my opinion. https://youtu.be/18jB0zQysgg

[gloomy forge]

I dunno why but I never cared if you're a woman or a man on the mic. As long as people act and talk normally to each other its all good.

[indigo wadi]

Stop with the drama for Eff sakes Zig

[indigo wadi]

if you wanna be obsessed with it on your own time, fine, but don't keep trying to spread it here

[blissful imp]

wdym drama?????\

[tight bramble]

So I just saw a reddit post on the PS sub where someone said that the drama is too much and needs to stop. The first comment was effectively "until he agrees with us, the hatred will continue and is justified. Gross shit, man.

[indigo wadi]

first moonmoon, now Dream.

Just stop. We aren't interested in drama. Read the damn room.

[blissful imp]

i was responding to dray about the analogy and what i think fits better. i'm not talking drama

[nova bough]

boop

[flint sinew]

technically this is brining up other drama outside the community. if you wanna chat about it, please do it in your own spaces

[indigo wadi]

You don't need to post about another drama situation for a better analogy

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-meditate-josephina-deep-breaths-gif-15437684

[nova bough]

more boops

[gloomy forge]

Oh I didn't seen your comment mr mod, gonna remove my response in regards to that video :D!

[flint sinew]

[nova bough]

my cats are no longer moving, so imma let them rest and spare them more pictures. i dont want to die in my sleep

[harsh viper]

have you considered... pat pats

[gloomy forge]

Hey don't cringe at me I'm just following your orders

[nova bough]

they get lots of pats, if they want them. Charon (the void) doesnt always want pets and will give a soft nip if he doesnt

[harsh viper]

we also provide scritches

[gloomy forge]

pets are more chill than talkin about dramastuff anyways.

[tight bramble]

He makes this face when you rub his belly

[gloomy forge]

corgi mix?

[tight bramble]

Full corgo ship. We'll, hes part pig and part death from the ankles down, but full loaf.

[gloomy forge]

rub his belly again and then say "Dray sends their regards."

[gloomy forge]

awww peepoCute, very chonk and chill.

[tight bramble]

Thats a better one

[nova bough]

he wants my dinner

somehow i dont think he'll really like tofu and rice

[gloomy forge]

let him bask in the smell at least

[patent bear]

That's exactly what I did, but the guy took it as a personal attack.
I'm basically going to just quit wikipedia again at this rate.

[opaque raven]

Nah, don't let one bad experience from one weird user get to you

[nova bough]

welcome to the internet

[flat moat]

Have a look around

[patent bear]

The funny thing is that the first and last time I quit wikipedia, was over a dispute of the existence of a BLP. The guy who created it wouldn't listen to anything I suggested as why I said the BLP is not notable, and then that guy started taking it personal, so I quit for a little over a year before I decided to log back in 1 day and I found out through the grapevine that that guy got banned for sockpuppetry and possibly paid for the work but undisclosed.

[earnest cove]

i have a better internet
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ioxqs4zMaPg

weapon guys collab

[subtle gate]

the heels would help if you were on horse back

[earnest cove]

yup yup heels were originally riding gear

[subtle gate]

then used as a "I have horses look how rich I am"

[hazy storm]

Then after that?

[vocal crystal]

Which user are you? How the hell do people read this format lol

[patent bear]

"Tytrox"

[vocal crystal]

ya seems pretty heated

[opaque raven]

I could never imagine I would find heated dramatic discussions on Wikipedia review log
Absolute hidden gem

[minor nymph]

https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1945259082430259380?s=19

Pirate Software (@PirateSoftware)

@oxcrowx I had a few thousand people dogpile into my stream about this today.

1. I chose to do pixel by pixel CPU based lighting over using a shader to ensure the system was compatible with machines that could not compile shaders. This was helpful for a number of regions such as Brazil

X · Jul 15, 2025, 11:08 PM

[subtle gate]

[lyric venture]

That dude who did the videos only did it cause he has no scruples. Guy normally gets 30k views on a video he does, him attacking Thor he gets 1+million.

[vocal crystal]

everyones hopping on the Thor train, destiny even with his huge platform

[lyric venture]

Yep. They just see it now as a pay day. Its unhinged and gross.

[subtle gate]

always has been

[vocal crystal]

its just crazy cause some of these media peps have huge audiences that will only trickle in more haters

[river cargo]

Livestreamfail has a new narrative about the fridge clip being faked

[lyric venture]

Of course they do.

[river cargo]

Some dude even found steets fridge model on Reddit ...

[lyric venture]

Thats a weird level of dedication

[wind raven]

Gad damn what a dog

doggum crazy day

[river cargo]

Well they're using the model and the vid as evidence of it being fake

I doubt it, but I don't understand the technicalities of a smart fridge

[forest glacier]

LOL those emote reactions. I guess the mods know who to ban right? 😂

[brisk sparrow]

and the goalposts move again

[jolly sky]

Sealioning at its finest

[tight bramble]

Im so conditioned to "dont recommend" whenever I see thors face in a thumbnail I almost hit it on khronos' stream from this morning lol

[patent bear]

rip

[jolly sky]

Direct call out to "Coding Jesus"

damn

Also, holy shit that guy can go suck on rotten eggs

[opal star]

for someone named Jesus, sure aint acting like one

[opaque raven]

KOBOLDS MENTIONED!!!!
Hell ye

[opal star]

but Goblins stronger than Kobolds

[edgy oar]

https://tenor.com/view/1milliongoblins-gif-23345456

[opal star]

https://tenor.com/view/subrote-star-trek-tng-geordi-double-gif-22007306

[earnest cove]

https://x.com/Throckmorton05/status/1945261428325449770

behold more delusional people coming right up. Patch notes exist

Throckmorton (@Throckmorton05)

@PirateSoftware @oxcrowx Number 6 isnt true. In multiple of your "Steam updates" it says "pushed back update."

Do better at lying.

X · Jul 15, 2025, 11:17 PM

[edgy oar]

DAILY REMINDER DO NOT LOOK AT THE COMMENT SECTION

[opal star]

well its almost as if ppl on twitter cant read

literally a day thats ends with y

[earnest cove]

oh kobolds are now recognized

[wet storm]

Maybe not even log on twitter

[ocean agate]

like it flagged a picture of proof as offensive!??
(edit) i didnt see the comment with the picute the first time

[patent bear]

This is why I quit Xitter.

[earnest cove]

it depends on the account somehow.

i have different accounts for different purposes. one flagged as spam and my usual doesn't

[opaque raven]

FOR NOW

[patent bear]

Where are the candle kobolds?

[ocean agate]

is that a one shot where you play as kobolds?

[opal star]

this definitely smells like kobold propaganda

[opaque raven]

I have a full collection

[wet storm]

You got it though, it's the comment

[rustic maple]

Thats a funny looking goblin. Cant convince me otherwise

[ocean agate]

goblin is a generic term for shapeshifting trickster

[wet storm]

No aDnD kobold T_T

[opaque raven]

YES!!! It's a short mission to rescue your friend, another young kobold, from a warren and, if possible, also get the Pickaxe of Plenty

[ocean agate]

thats frikin awesome

[distant rapids]

Tbf, kobolds vary from reptillian to ratlike to even mammalian in appearance. It's theatre of the mind! They can look how you want them to look.

[dry osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/you-shouldnt-read-peoples-texts-isabel-may-katie-cooper-finn-carr-jack-copper-gif-16756975

Thats what youtuber say

[fierce bison]

#news message
I am of half a mind to go through code jesus's code and tear him a new one i swear

[opaque raven]

I also have this Kobold Generator ☀️

[brazen drift]

dont let him live rent free in your head

[fierce bison]

would derail my videoa lot though, but i swear to god. Like no code is perfect, people are delusional

but i can show him what it's like to nitpick code

[earnest spire]

i dont even think people care about his code

[vocal crystal]

completely different field pretty sure, quants are weird dudes

[distant rapids]

Awww yus

[thorny cloud]

So, are we allowed to talk about the Dr. K stream Thor did two months ago? Or is that not an acceptable topic to bring up? I ask because it is actually tangential to what I otherwise would like to say regarding the post Thor just made in response to all of this coding stuff.

Not looking to be hateful or sling insults, to be clear.

[hazy storm]

What is a quant

[vocal crystal]

wallstreet tech bros that build algos to make more money for firms

[hazy storm]

Oh. Ive worked for fintech founders. They're vile and think they shit gold

And they only value people who are willing to sniff it

[vocal crystal]

well they do print gold practically

[wet storm]

I don't wanna sniff it tho

[minor nymph]

Also timed out and banned people for putting middle finger emojis on the announcement.

Idiot behavior.

[fierce bison]

i think you're giving them satisfaction by even reacting to it

[vocal crystal]

thats crazy behavior

[vocal crystal]

100000%

[gaunt remnant]

Why did Gen chat and Streamchat change place today? Usually this is where all the drama talk happens

[hazy storm]

Some people are just out to be terrible. Sorry you have to deal with that thor

[gaunt remnant]

Streamchat is the chill fun chat today

[minor nymph]

When I have hundreds of thousands of people being misled and it's poisoning the well online about who I am I am obligated to counter.

[opal star]

Thor said bedtime but he is awake

[fierce bison]

i don't think you can counter it at this point tbh, people are not coming here for truth, just for the entartainment of poking with a stick and waiting for a rection. The ones you'd be able to convince with rational arguments can already see for themselves imo

[thorny cloud]

Absolutely, man. The level of vitriol you are receiving is and always has been disproportionate.

But I also think that Cheshire has a valid point about it kind of being fuel for that particular fire. Or maybe troll food is a better analogy.

I think you're both right.

[hazy storm]

So your alternative is for him to just lie back and take it?

That didn't work being billed in high school and it won't work here

[wet storm]

Countering is timing out and banning. Talking about it is just gonna rile up trolls more

[gaunt remnant]

Honestly, when you see what happened with that fox rescue girl, sometimes you're just in the collimator of the bad side of the Internet, and no matter what you did, how serious, mundane, good or bad, you will get the blunt of its wrath because they followed the first finger being pointed towards you

[thorny cloud]

I don't think that is a valid solution and I'm not sure anyone here is actually suggesting that?

[fierce bison]

actually yes, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into

[wet storm]

Gamifying trolling is not a good path methinks

[hazy storm]

He just did below your message

[minor nymph]

Timing out and Banning does not counter misinformation about my work.
Evidence does. Provided now.

[gaunt remnant]

Nobody is "talking" about it. They're sprinkling bits of talking in between every insult and slur

[thorny cloud]

Well, that might be true, but I don't think the way to handle that is to be disingenuous or lie about things.

Is that what you're suggesting? I'm asking to make sure I'm not misunderstanding.

[gaunt remnant]

"I disagree and you're an ahole" isn't the same as "I disagree with you" and some people should learn that more

[wet storm]

I mean coming to chat and telling people X and Y people were banned for A and B

That's just encouragement for people to do it more

[gaunt remnant]

It's not like he's boasting about how many people he's banning on Twitter and just giving updates about the situation here to the community

[torn panther]

I think you are at risk of throwing further gasoline on the fire. If it’s too hard to ignore maybe try laying low for a while

[wet storm]

I didn't say he's boasting. It has nothing to do with the intent.

I'm talking about side effects

[hazy storm]

It wasnt even a charged statement or personalattack that thor did. He just released an update of the game

[torn panther]

These YouTube communities need to be added to a terror group watchlist

[fierce bison]

i never said that idk what you're talking about. All I'm saying is even reacting to claims that are made in bad faith won't do anything. Because it takes them 0 effort to make up lies and takes Thor X amount of effort to disprove them, all the while giving them satisfaction of reaction to their bs. It's not a scalable approach

[late bane]

Goblins, Trolls... now Kobolds!?.

what's next?, Thors army of Orks he's been secretly growing and pretending are mushrooms?.

[rustic maple]

dont tell them about the orks. it was a secret

[wet storm]

An Ork pretending to be a mushroom is hilarious

[late bane]

it's a 40K reference

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/orc-smile-gif-10315643652749609661

[thorny cloud]

Oh I see where I got confused now - I read "lie back" as "speak lies in response"

[kindred sedge]

WHEN WILL THE LIES END?! im joking pls dont smite

[gaunt remnant]

I also said bedtime like 30 minutes ago saying I'll finally sleep "well" after weeks of not sleeping well at all and having my brain not functioning, yet here I am too

[outer gust]

killz u

[rustic maple]

in other news the ferrets have been released from containment and ferret stream now has many active wigglers if anyone wants a laugh

[kindred sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[abstract tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/waaagh-orks-warhammer-grimgor-gif-16373998565401411320

[kindred sedge]

to add on to this THEY ALSO GOT NEW TUNNELS!!!

[thorny cloud]

In that sense, no - I don't think simply lying down and taking the abuse is the way to handle it. No one should have to put up with what he's going through.

I will say though that doubling down on evidence and defending himself isn't helping. It seems to only be deepening the track of dislike that the internet is currently stuck on.

[wet storm]

When will the lice end

[winged knoll]

https://x.com/oxcrowx/status/1945245126206292293?s=46&t=Boo2N8b_eN14Fb4Jky2M5w

oxcrow (@oxcrowx)

Some devs are coming forward to support @PirateSoftware

This person is DigitalGems on YouTube.

A small channel with 103 subscribers.

X · Jul 15, 2025, 10:12 PM

Good vibe~

[kindred sedge]

when will mice win?

[abstract tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-rat-ratjam-catjam-ratjammers-gif-21929051

[gaunt remnant]

Honestly, having seen this kind of situation happen again and again, the only thing you can do is defend yourself and wait, hoping the Internet will find a new target. That's sadly just how the internet works

You can't reason with it, you can't beat it

[minor nymph]

Ahh yes, the streamer, laying low.
LOL

[thorny cloud]

Well, I'm not sure those are the only ways to handle it.

[minor nymph]

Insane request.

[fierce bison]

xD

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-warm-hug-depressed-hug-gif-4585064738068342394

[fierce bison]

honestly if you can farm them for content like Asmongold does then that's a win

[wet storm]

Encouraging the trolls by showing that pushing buttons give results is how you get more of them

It's never, ever, ever gonna end at this rate

[fierce bison]

farm the hate

[thorny cloud]

It's not exactly actionable lol.

I mean you COULD turn your stream into Where's Waldo and just hide somewhere in frame for 12 hours, but that might be hard to pull off.

[distant rapids]

I've had similar done to me but much, much smaller scale than thor. Occasionally fighting back against misinformation is very important, because staying silent gives the trolls the chance to breed even more lies and when people on the fence see there's no response thwy shrug and go, well, it might bw truth then

[minor nymph]

You don't have to reason with the bullshit takes but you DO have to defend yourself from shit like this.
Otherwise the people in the middle that don't know anything will just instantly side with the only voice in the room.

[digital tangle]

get a cabin in the woods. go offline and away from society 😛

[fierce bison]

maybe you're right

[distant rapids]

Homesteader thor. Grow a beard- oh wait

[earnest spire]

but these people dont even care if your right

[digital tangle]

something something history written by victor something something

[gaunt remnant]

A glorious beard

https://tenor.com/view/thor-god-of-war-mjolnir-kratos-ragnarok-gif-27495858

[fierce bison]

i think it's more like "all it takes for bad men to win is for good men to do (or in this case say) nothing", or... something like that

[late bane]

it's not really about convincing the haters but informing the people in the middle like Thor said.

[opaque raven]

But still you don't do this to attack the loud ones, you do this for those in the middle, for the silent ones, so they can have a normal reasonable voice in the room

[earnest spire]

hopefully

[digital tangle]

meh both fit. he sits down then people will only remember the loudest voice. he fights back and he feeds the fire. its a lose lose situation

[dry osprey]

The best way nowadays to fight "bullies" is to hit back. Thats how i learned it after months of bullying.

[flat moat]

I STG some people are stubborn on twitter. Imagine saying 20 years experience in a specific industry only means you did X role at this industry!

[warm trench]

I won't be popular, but I started to stream my dev experience because I like to share my passion in programming. I've been paid to program for more than 30 years. Im't 52 and started programming on the Apple ][. So I guess I should be ready to those who see my code (let alone a lousy decompile) to call me a non-programmer/hack even though I make really good money doing what I do. I hate the internet.

[minor nymph]

You know who does care?
The tens of thousands on the sidelines.

[fierce bison]

that's true, there's a silent, more reasonable majority

[delicate dome]

What weird era we live in nowadays

[gaunt remnant]

Yes but if the bullies is not a group of highschoolers and instead the entire internet you are outmatched, so attacking is not a solution because you're just going to catch more lefts this way

[dry osprey]

The "you hurt my feelings" era

[digital tangle]

can confirm ^ gonna be honest barely watch thor and i grew suspicious that everyone was saying the same thing and what i thought were clips taken out of context.

[wispy plover]

I personally can't wait til September when school is back in session for some of these kids.

[indigo wadi]

Been that way since the early 2000s honestly

[warm trench]

Keep doing what you do Thor. I am a software developer and I can tell what is right.

[hasty grail]

it wont help

[wet storm]

Those people are coming here or to the steam and seeing you show numbers of bans you have.

Without context, it looks like boasting. Trolls are giving that context already, and gamifying it with ban announcements and counters is just encouragement.

You're gonna fight this fight for the rest of your career this way.

[hasty grail]

a number of teachers allow kids to have their phones and it wont stop

[brazen drift]

Especially since school is out rn. Lotta drama that would happen in spurts is now just all day because nobodys got anything better to do, and more people who do WFH because it aint just kiddies who are doin this stuff. It's accounts from 2013 which means those people are at least late 20s

[flat moat]

It's worse than that, It's a "My parasocial relationship with this content creator will be stronger if I attack you since this content creator used you for content!"

[wet storm]

I'm speaking from experience as a former mod and community manager

[gaunt remnant]

I appreciate the faith you have to believe most of there people are children and not adults with too much time on their hands

[wispy plover]

It will. The internet finds something to latch on to every summer. This just happens to be our summer here.

[dry osprey]

I wish people would get some real problems and not just a "slap on the wrist with a ban"

[minor nymph]

I have fought that shit for 6 months without the timer.
Your route does nothing.

[dry osprey]

Go bed thor

[wispy plover]

Never said that. Just said it will help.

[delicate dome]

Sleep is needed

[gaunt remnant]

Being a dick isn't a crime

[dry osprey]

These witch hunts are just mindblowing stupid. Wish people would stop this

[dry osprey]

Well the moment reputation takes a hit its a different story sadly

[indigo wadi]

Oh these are full on adults with the mentality of children

[distant rapids]

Hmm, the gamifying the timer might be a thing, but i cant imagine that that would last long. Theres only so much "enjoyment" that someone can get from just showing a new score, and failures to get a "new score" would kill their malicious hype quickly

[wet storm]

I don't even know how to respond to "Your route does nothing" like wtf

[earnest cove]

I appreciate the explanation though it's interesting to read the reasons why programming choices were made

[gray fable]

this entire drama has left me mentally exhausted, and i've been mostly an observer in all of it

[dusky void]

Insane that there is literally no response that will satisfy them ever. The outcome seems to be the same regardless if Thor responds or not because it's always not something they want to see, or somehow it sounds dismissive to them.

[minor nymph]

Someone gets it.

It also shows the community that the moderators are kicking ass.

[opaque raven]

The way I see if people are throwing things on the wall to see what sticks and to find cracks you need to defend yourself, not saying anything can be perceived (and felt) as a cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence

[late bane]

damn right!!

[earnest cove]

I saw the counter as a honeypot. Just trigger all the immature children in one go

[gaunt remnant]

At this point it is slander and it is still not a crime, but it can be something you fight someone in a court over it. But if Thor did that, he'd spend his entire life in court for the next 20 years

[indigo wadi]

In today's climate, I doubt it honestly

[earnest cove]

And then jar them

[flat moat]

When there's blood in the water....

[thorny cloud]

That's true.

I do wonder though if asking questions in things like Twitter posts might be more effective than fronting a defense?

Because when you defend yourself, people often seem to not listen to the evidence and insist on interpreting things in a "why is this guy so full of himself" kind of way, and it just deepens the track of resentment that is already there.

But if you were to make a post saying something like "Can you guys help me to understand why it is you are so upset with me? Because I genuinely do not get it. I would like to talk about this." Yeah, you're still gonna get hateful comments, but it might shift the energy of the conversation. It might make it harder to see the dogpiling as being so socially acceptable by a lot of people or even content creator groups.

Because you're right, you have to respond somehow. Being silent about it doesn't help or make it go away.

Anyway, I hope I didn't overstep there. I'm sorry you're going through this, man. It freakin' sucks dude.

[digital tangle]

infosec training at its finest

[delicate dome]

For Software! For pirate!

[shadow dawn]

Yea i thought that too

[gaunt remnant]

Don't chant like this as if it were a cult

[dry osprey]

It sadly is yes.

[indigo wadi]

Software Pirate, the archnemesis of Pirate Software

[gaunt remnant]

Dangit chat

[indigo wadi]

Slander can be sued for

[hasty grail]

bit harder in court

[dry osprey]

Hey atleast thor has us goblins 👍

[digital tangle]

slander has a legal bar though

[hasty grail]

just look at the Turd vs Depp case

[digital tangle]

i dont think hes met that

[rustic maple]

it has wierd rules once you count as a "public figure"

[hasty grail]

a piece of crap vs a proper Pirate

[indigo wadi]

True

What defines a public figure though?

[fierce bison]

isn't there a case to be made for him having lost revenue due to the slander?

[indigo wadi]

Probably but good luck proving it

[distant rapids]

Yeah, snd unfortunately actual malice is hella hard to prove- even if it's "obvious" to anyone besides the law

[earnest spire]

its always the image they trying to break

[muted robin]

thor after carrying the success of SKG and half the slop drama youtubers' careers on his back for free

[digital tangle]

his stream has been getting more viewers.... even if they arent there in good faith

more viewers tends to translate to "doing well"

[fierce bison]

he lost followers

[late bane]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-cat-ryujinr-grey-cat-gif-13471549557469691566

[indigo wadi]

Even Depp wasn't fully successful

Though He did win

[minor nymph]

Yes.

[digital tangle]

followers dont directly give revenue. thats gonna be something hard to prove in court

[fierce bison]

probably subs as well

[gaunt remnant]

Analytics will

[fierce bison]

they corelate

[rustic maple]

I think the biggest thing was the swatting honestly. I really wish there was a better way for police to handle that. But that one would def have a lawsuit if it were possible to identify them.

[indigo wadi]

You can lose followers but still be up on watchtime

[digital tangle]

itll show follower count not necessarily view count

[delicate dome]

If for ever reason he Thor needs an alias he could go for Software Pirate and none would be the wiser

[gaunt remnant]

I mean all anaytics, not just those ones

[warm trench]

Someone say Kobolds?

[distant rapids]

Okay chat i have to resolve my stinkiness before i go somewhere dont forget to drink woter and shower and eat and touch grass

[brazen drift]

I'm sure theres actually a really hard line in thor's twitch analytics, one where his follower/sub count went down but viewership skyrocketted due to hate watching

[gaunt remnant]

He can take mine that I created, CorsairHardware

[warm trench]

One of my game kobolds

[indigo wadi]

Ya true

[brazen drift]

so did the ban number

[opaque raven]

I arrived!!!!

[wet storm]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-wow-superhero-landing-clapping-gif-14685198

[indigo wadi]

But then who would Thor litigate against? There's so many

[digital tangle]

sure but you gotta remmeber that revenue making on twitch is more or less tied to how many are watching in general. thats likely the only analytic thatll matter

[earnest cove]

From what i see people are so dopamined from spite they'll haunt Thor forever even if he doesn't say anything

[fierce bison]

the biggest offender is enough, idk, similar approach to h3 vs orbiters

[brazen drift]

Thor could take a break from streaming for a full week and come back and some chud would put out a video going "OEMGEEEE HES BACCCCKKK"

[minor nymph]

You just get back bad faith answers.
You're talking to the internet as a collective, not rational individuals.

[warm trench]

When goblins mentioned, I think of this... a whole chat of them... eewww

[vocal crystal]

i dont think we should brainstorm legal counsel

[brazen drift]

but instead of heart emoji its rage emoji and lighting strikes

[hazy storm]

I wouldn't consider h3 to be a role model given his actions against the reporter

[indigo wadi]

And who is that? Sodapoppin? Yamato? Ross? Quinn?

[gaunt remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-tommy-lee-jones-smart-dumb-panic-gif-20007208

[delicate dome]

https://tenor.com/view/fairlyoddparents-dinkleberg-gif-4141833

[opaque raven]

You made it??

[earnest cove]

People were already flooding doctor k's comments with anti thor sentiments even though the doctor said don't do that. Also they had a productive convo

So there's no winning

[muted robin]

anyways why are people going "you shouldn't respond to the haters" to thor, 1. he knows what he's been going through better than any of us and 2. saying not to respond to people that are actively trying to ruin your life or end it is some Zero Tolerance Policy behavior. y'all, stop it

[fierce bison]

good question, i think there's bunch of big ones that just been spamming this drama

[indigo wadi]

It's not about winning, it's about survival

[rustic maple]

Welcome to the internet, Everyone has an opinion XD

[minor nymph]

This.

[earnest cove]

As in lose lose.

[minor nymph]

Also this.

[warm trench]

yea - had to draw all my art for the game I am making

[gaunt remnant]

Yes but the views and the money is more important than your morality, aren't they? I'll be back to make Minecraft Youtube Shorts slop with an AI narrator

[indigo wadi]

Nah, ppl hate a survivalist, and Thor is good at surviving, if his year of homelessness is anything to go by

[opaque raven]

That's amazing!! I will ask more about it later, don't wanna cut the present topic in half

[wispy plover]

Not Thor though. Not allowed according to youtube.

[wet storm]

'cos there's a difference between responding to, say, coding jesus video and talking about that, and gamifying trolling in a way that encourages it.

All responses are not the same

But I got a btfo from Thor so at this point I don't care anymore

[dry osprey]

Dont wanna be mean or so. But soda DID support that drama even further with kicking thor out and not some other people. OR talking to the guild lead. When we talk about the wow thing

[minor nymph]

Going to be real for the people in the back who don't get it.
You know where this road of attacks and well poisoning ends?
It ends with shutting down company and firing everyone if they manage to poison enough people.
It ends with no longer being able to support the ferret rescue unless I can snag a job that supports it.
People think this is some ego trip shit, fuck no. I have people to take care of.

I am not going to sit by and let that shit happen and you're dumb for suggesting it.

Get fucking real, seriously.

[delicate dome]

The internet is really really great.. FOR (insert word)

[dry osprey]

I will always support the little noodle cats

[fierce bison]

yeah i for one am convinced now, dw

[muted robin]

mmmm yeah that's what sucks too, there's more riding on this than just thor

[dry osprey]

Idc what people say

[thorny cloud]

To be completely honest, the answers you would get don't even matter - it's the fact that you would actively be calling out the behavior being done against you in a way that demands IT be defended or justified.

Cause right now, whether it is completely insane or not, people are using your intellectual evidence about these situations as an excuse to double down on the dogpiling. It is too easy for them to take your evidence-based explanations and say "look how arrogant this guy is."

If the conversation coming from your end is instead "Help me to understand what I can do to make this better," it frankly gives the content creators far less things to farm and use against you.

It's a lot harder to make takedown pieces of someone whose main online discourse is "Tell me how I can do better," rather than "Let me explain to you why I am not wrong."

And I'm not saying you are wrong, to be clear. I don't think you're wrong. I think you're right.

[hazy storm]

Not to mention just sitting back and not defending yourself against people who threaten your life

[indigo wadi]

You don't win at life by sitting on the sidelines

[muted robin]

bullies hate when you fight back

[brazen drift]

Especially since he didn't DO anything. He said his say and people are acting like he killed a man

[late bane]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-defoe-respect-gif-24551385

[fierce bison]

tbh the video you made debunking all the crap is indeed useful ammo combatting misinformation, so, i don't even know why i was arguing against responding to misinformation in the first place

[river cargo]

isn't the ferret rescue viewership still the same though?

[zealous frost]

Saw Thor's x post and it reminded me Asmongold said he's planning to play Heartbound on stream this weekend...

[delicate dome]

Wonder who the next person is gonna be to get drama if the internet goes on like this

[river cargo]

I haven't seen a decrease in viewership on ferretsoftware, only the main channel

[digital tangle]

it donbt matter. they will find a way. like the videos i first started seeing pretty much went like this:

Thor: " i disagree because you have to do x"
Content creator: "are you illiterate?"

No im not making that up

[minor nymph]

Nope.
https://twitchtracker.com/ferretsoftware/statistics

[muted robin]

oh for real?

[dry osprey]

Even if you would go that way. It will still give em amunition to shoot. It doesnt matter to drama content creators. They find a way to make drama

[gaunt remnant]

People use your words against you, that's true. But people also use your silence against you. If you've ever been bullied in your life, or have seen others being bullied, you'll know that it doesn't matter what it is about, it matters who it's targeting.

You reply to them, they'll mock you over your reply. You don't reply to them, they'll mock you over your lack of reply.

There is no winning to this by "doing the smart thing" all you can do is Objective: Survive this shit until they lose interest and find something else more interesting

[zealous frost]

yeah, sometime between 2 and 3 pm est

[gray fable]

if i'm correct he uses his own viewership to help the rescue in a way, not just the ferret rescue stream itself?

[river cargo]

hopefully he's less biased than quin, who i believe only played the demo and then shat on it

[river cargo]

nah the ferretrescue is entirely funded by the ferretsoftware streams

[thorny cloud]

I actually thought about that just the other day - the idea of the ferret rescue being shut down if htis cancel culture storm really does just hit a ceaseless apex. That would be awful, man. Again, I'm sorry you're going through this right now. You don't deserve it.

[minor nymph]

I get conflicting reports about what he said.
Some people said he loved it. Some said he shit on it.
We've both got one another banned in our chats.

[muted robin]

asmongold doesn't ride hate trains for clout so he'll be honest for sure

doesn't mean he'll like it, but he'll be honest about what he thinks

[vocal crystal]

quin did not shit on demo

watch it for yourself, i did

[minor nymph]

He will likely hate the game.
Animus is Anthropomorphic characters.

[zealous frost]

He's going to try to be unbiased and play it like any other game

[fierce bison]

i watched his video today quinn literally said it's not a bad game, and defended it

idk what people are smoking

[delicate dome]

It's like thor holding a pot of glue and every hater stick his hand stuck in it and blame the person holding the pot

[digital tangle]

some good shit

[minor nymph]

Yeah I legit have no idea what was said or not.
Too many cooks.

[brazen drift]

If he truly did say good things about it, then people saying bad things are just there to try and create more drama.

[fierce bison]

indeed

[gaunt remnant]

People are looking for reasons to hate at this point. I mean to be fair, they have been since the very beginning because they literally never had anything tangible ever

[river cargo]

ok i watched it, and I was wrong. Quin did not shit on the demo, he actually praised it

[brazen drift]

Hard to tell without researching it yourself since people dont take a half second to think about what they're typing sometimes.

[river cargo]

I apologise for those comments and will edit them

[indigo wadi]

I'll give that to asmon. He may be a dirty player of the algorithm but he does try to disassociate from taking sides in drama

[earnest cove]

Sorry i had to afk a bit

I wanted to say if theres not """winning""" then it's fight the best he can.

No rolling over

[thorny cloud]

I agree, but I'm also not expecting any of the bullies in this analogy to have their minds changed. Like someone else said, you can't reason with the unreasonable. A lot of these people are just here to get their punches in.

The conversation wouldn't actually be for them. It would simply be a different potential avenue to curry more good favor among other people. What Thor really actually needs in order for this to all go away is enough content creators defending him that the trend of hating on Thor stops garnering views.

That's the actual way out here.

[gaunt remnant]

All the accusations I've seen people throw at Thor are "Yes but he had a bad take and he lied" but they very peculiarly never say about what or why. And I think there's a good reason behind that

[indigo wadi]

He secretly likes them with how much he beats on big sweaty orc men

[minor nymph]

He's honest about how he feels even if that isn't popular.
That's kind of his whole thing.

[muted robin]

i mean he got tons of flak for supporting pirate/not hating on him for the hardcore drama but he didn't back down from it at all, ironically asmon has similar experiences to thor in this situation of people trying to tear him down but not changing

[indigo wadi]

Okay but he's still garbage for getting his daughter involved

[muted robin]

he still to this day says he was right about the whole thing

[digital tangle]

honestly its because alot of people dont want to go to the source of thei nformation. i started doing that and theres so much out there thats like "why is this side blowing up they arent making any sense"

[minor nymph]

And that's why he's banned in my chat!

[earnest cove]

Asmongold is just a layperson guy being honest and I do appreciate that honesty

[muted robin]

but yeah i'm looking forward to it, asmon and thor are p much the only streamers i watch (hard to have any others when they both stream for 8-12 hours) so any crumbs of collab or them mentioning each other make me

[brazen drift]

Shame that he can speak his opinion honestly but you can't seem to catch a break.

[earnest cove]

Actually he gets a lot of crap. We just ignores them

Especially about his mother

[gaunt remnant]

But content creators don't care. Content creators either don't get involved because they're smarter than this, or they join the side that racks views, in this case, the haters side.

Remember that being a content creator isn't about "good faith" and "honor and respect" for everyone. For a lot of people it's just about money so they don't give a shit

[indigo wadi]

Asmongold: True

[fierce bison]

there is a huge difference between asmon and thor, and i'm going to cover that in my video this weekend. Asmon is careful not to piss off his gamer audience, he's fine pissing off the karens, how many times did they try to cancel him? Thing is thor pissed off some of his own audience, whereas from what I'm noticing Asmon is careful not to do that

[opaque raven]

From the little I've seen from Asmon he also doesn't stay on one single drama and strongly build around it, he moves on pretty fast which is as healthy as you can get on the drama world

[earnest cove]

They will never shut up about his deceased mother

[muted robin]

honestly i think it's precisely bc thor is much more polite that he gets more hate. people kind of expect degeneracy out of asmongold, but bc they think they're catching thor being "fake" (seeming nice but actually being evil) they jump on him more

[gaunt remnant]

If shitting on Thor racks them money and views, they'll do it. Nobody is going to go against the wave because as a business decision that would be unreasonable, as sad as this sounds

[indigo wadi]

And asmon comes off as not being bothered in the least about it

[muted robin]

nah i wouldn't say so, asmon pvp's with his own chat quite frequently

[fierce bison]

on small matters only

not on emotionally charged subjects

[hazy storm]

Asmon is very hostile to his chat but they love it

[brazen drift]

Yeah but at least so far I havent seen literally hundreds of shorts about asmond. but maybe im just not in the right circles. or... i guess wrong circles?

[warm trench]

...Calling good evil and evil good... type of world? Seems that world is pretty much here.

[river cargo]

Asmon has said some terrible things though

he isn't a very good person

[indigo wadi]

Ummm..you realize he pizzes off the gamer community A LOT right? Just not in conventional ways lol

[earnest cove]

Oh there was this lady streamer, big one currently in the h3 lawsuit, who publicly accused of Goldie for killing his mother

[late bane]

I'll do my best to help out the ferret stream by keeping a tab open.

[fierce bison]

like how?

[brazen drift]

ive vaguely heard about the h3 lawsuit but i try real hard to not pay attention to internet dramas

[indigo wadi]

Also the core audience of Thor stands by Thor?

[fierce bison]

been watching Asmon for many years now, he's very acreful with what he says

[earnest spire]

he doesn't really care about that

[indigo wadi]

By playing dumb in video games. His chat rages at him hard

[gaunt remnant]

Asmon, careful?

[zealous frost]

om the twitch vod it's 00:11:50 for what he said

[earnest cove]

Actually you can hear the carefulness

[fierce bison]

man there's a world of difference between that level of pissing off and this one

[muted robin]

nah i don't think it has to do with viewer base, i think it's more presentation than anything

[indigo wadi]

Yeah but the hate towards Thor exploded out of a dumb scenario

[muted robin]

even when asmon says controversial stuff ppl kind of expect degeneracy from him so it's considered normal

[river cargo]

100% this

[gaunt remnant]

And it is fueled by more dumb scenarios

[dry osprey]

In the end i still really enjoy thors streams, even with those children behaivor witch hunters.

[muted robin]

thor may have made some mistakes sure but the level of vitriol is 100% because of how positive and successful he is and people being mad that a good person exists and is having fun

i've seen too much and been through much to not recognize crab in a bucket behavior when i see it

[indigo wadi]

Like outside of padt debunked dramas, there was next to no hate.

That all changed the day Yamato fired his cannon

[gaunt remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[winged knoll]

He’s ball deep with Hasan tho

[river cargo]

the hate exploded because charlie, mutahar and josh strife hayes decided to call out thor without having done their research

[brazen drift]

its still amazing how people are still mad about a vidja game.

[indigo wadi]

No it exploded before that

[buoyant thistle]

It's all about the views my boy! Or girl.. or them...

[river cargo]

the community was fine after the onlyfangs drama

yamato is a nobody

[hazy storm]

My biggest gripe with all of these idiots invading the streams is that thor is spending more time moderating the comments and banning people which takes away from the meaty stuff

And then ppl complain why thor is spending so much time reading chat

It's a vicious cycle

[brazen drift]

it exploded before all the videos, its Continued because people keep putting out videos.

[river cargo]

it's exploded because of charlie's video

[muted robin]

nah hasan hates him bro wdym

[brazen drift]

If everything had ended with like, the 3 super large people who did videos and then nobody made any other ragebaits it woulda died down by now. but people just wont let it go

[dusky void]

I agree with that.
I think in the Dr. K interview ( so many people on the other side of the barricade are using it against Thor completely missing the messages shown in it) it was nicely displayed that people are getting unreasonably angry because what Thor showcases as being direct and showing evidence for everything is being received as being arrogant or narcissistic (completely irrational).

Changing the language/approach might convince the people on the side that are looking at the whole situation from the side.

[river cargo]

talking about asmon focusing on hasan right now

[fierce bison]

those videos wouldn't have done well if they didn't resonate with the vast population. The whole narrative is worded to appeal to emotion rather than logic

[wispy plover]

The haters will get bored eventually. I've seen worse people who have done worse things survive on the platform. Thor will be fine. Just keep supporting him if you like what he does and try to find the silver linings through all of the BS currently ongoing.

[earnest spire]

thats what I like him even though people may see that as he talks to much of himself

[river cargo]

the vast population has also misunderstood the initiative

[fierce bison]

exactly, but that's my point

[indigo wadi]

We've said that about the WoW drama, and yet..

[brazen drift]

we aint deep diving into skg again

[river cargo]

but you don't get to be charlie or josh strife hayes and spread misinformation to millions without repercussions

[earnest spire]

just wait for results

[river cargo]

It's not about SKG, it's about streamers slandering