streamchat

[harsh viper]

well many things would be "cooked" if they were real

[wispy plover]

Let me... suit up. I'll see if I can find it.

[fierce bison]

sad that some people need to be told what to think. Although i feel like he's just playing dumb to cause drama

[last citrus]

im js checking in with a community i kinda like for a creator i thought was pretty cool

[patent bear]

Make your own opinion on the matter.

[wispy plover]

It was like a month ago. Here. I've delved through the sewage for you. https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1932383350330917225

[last citrus]

ofc, i could easily, but i think people work together better, again, js here for some clarity, sorry to bring up a dead horse 🙏

[harsh viper]

ohohohoho, lookie, bpd

[last citrus]

kinda sounds like he's not confirming nor denying the messages

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-face-gif-4522918356523415114

[wispy plover]

Kinda sounds like it was over a month ago, and some random youtuber dredged it up for clicks

[earnest spire]

just a dude who got outed from a friend group

[toxic rampart]

Ya know.
Given that I've never seen something like this sort of vitriol out of him before, that's dead serious to say the least is my inclination.

You dont shoot that crap off without being mad and for a reason.
Been there lol

[last citrus]

ik its old, im js tryna find out how real it may be, its the only part of his whole drama i care about regardless of lyric's mental stability the messages r still fried, but again i'll take it with a grain of salt for now

thx u for ur info, ill leave it alone 🙏

[harsh viper]

it's bordering on stalker behaviour basically

to put it blandly

[shell osprey]

Look man just because he had his intimate DMs leaked like that it doesn't change who he is as a person or streamer. I don't really know why people fixate on this so much

[terse pelican]

People fixate on it, Because it's Thor, He's their current hate-rage target, And has been for ages, and sadly, It'll carry on for a looong time.

[wispy plover]

Even the replies to lyric were like "Nobody cares bro"

Even from Thor haters

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/simpleflips-gif-11142067914485832931

Shout outs

[shell osprey]

Yeah exactly, it's like, who even cares that it happened

[last citrus]

its not the intimacy or furry stuff, it's the blatantly manipulative stuff, js kinda irks me yk, i thought pirate software was pretty cool, but if those messages r real it doesnt really matter how crazy lyric is, nothing rly excuses tht

[toxic rampart]

Same energy as all that garbage that happened to Simple.

I'm good.

[patent bear]

Can we move on?

[toxic rampart]

DA

[wispy plover]

Yes, lets

[last citrus]

ye mb, thx again

[shell osprey]

All relationships look kinda weird if you crop bits of conversation out of context

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-whatever-go-my-jerma-gif-13113563184974228262

[wispy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-eating-burger-creepy-gif-9261686957413134855

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/arguing-ultrakill-jerma-throwing-gif-26971095

[wispy plover]

You can't unsee Jerma now chat.

[toxic rampart]

He's in your house.

[shell osprey]

What do you mean?

The details will always vary and I'm sure things look a little crazier when the people involved are notable figures

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-escape-scp-gif-11917361286893075780

[terse pelican]

People judge other peoples relationship based on a very narrow band of experience / Perspective, As they've only had their own & Seen how their parents relationship is. This accounts for a Micro-fraction of how relationship dynamics are.

[shell osprey]

I skimmed it a bit but it doesn't interest me much ultimately

[last citrus]

yeaaaa right, ik i wasnt trippin

[harsh viper]

this person also thinks that if hit with a defamation lawsuit they don't need to prove that the messages are real

[last citrus]

but they're not technically confirmed real tho

[wispy plover]

we were moving on... RIGHT!?

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/black-metal-milk-cereal-black-metal-cereal-milk-metal-gif-12748918

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/clever-jim-carrey-thumbs-up-gif-6263748941103246808

[harsh viper]

why are you asking for people's opinions but then repeating yourself endlessly?

[last citrus]

well, lowkey, i remembered the people in general told me to discuss it here, idk tho, is there a better place

[harsh viper]

you got the background info here as you wanted, but you're just stirring shit at this point

[ionic sleet]

should just have a drama channel at this point to dump shit in

[shell osprey]

They probably are real since Thor would just post the real versions otherwise but they're also just not that big a deal

[patent bear]

You're best to just drop the topic.

[terse pelican]

There's literally nothing to discuss, All it ends up being He said/she said, And Opinion based assumptions.

[harsh viper]

no? why would you drop a shitton of personal stuff

[last citrus]

i feel i may be opening peoples eyes a lil, idk i js dont want this community to be an echo chamber, i dnt mean to "stir shit" js stimulate a bit

[patent bear]

C'mon guys, drop the topic.

Don't want to hear it.

[blissful imp]

Helldivers 2 patch notes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK8T0QldvN4

[patent bear]

Make your opinion.

Be done with it.

[ionic sleet]

hardly an echo chamber here. other people are just too toxic to debate with

[terse pelican]

First of, Ain't an Echo Chamber since there's plenty of varying opinions. Second, This topic is between Thor and Lyric. It is not for us to judge, Discuss or do ANYTHING with.

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/second-futurama-scruffy-gif-20187509

[last citrus]

i dnt think i'm being very toxic tho, most people responded to me very dismissive, which i understand cuz this is a very burnt topic, but idk y it wouldnt be something to discuss

[ionic sleet]

nono not saying you are

[harsh viper]

you're not discussing anything though, you're repeating one sentence over and over again...

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-several-people-are-typing-gif-15407184

[fierce bison]

it's clear this guy formed his opinion, at which point the only reason left for him to be in discord is to stir shit up, otherwise he'd have just left the server

[earnest spire]

besides there are conflicting things in what he wrote

[harsh viper]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-rage-aaa-hamster-animal-gif-7616338

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-revanant-gif-10462704

[last citrus]

na bru, cuz i like the community and thought thor was cool, like c'mon bro, i'm only repeating myself cuz other people r doing the same to me

[toxic rampart]

That'sa lotta bros.

[ionic sleet]

someone in another sub renamed themselves to "Several People" and its always funny to see it down there

[fierce bison]

yeah but you don't NEED to "win" the argument, move on

[terse pelican]

That's kinda funny

[last citrus]

most people arent even knowing what the context of what i'm talking about is so i can't really discuss much in particular cuz no one told me anything articulatable as an talking point

[wispy plover]

[last citrus]

js told me to leave it alone, but i was told to come here to talk about it thru general

[fierce bison]

and nobody needs to either, go on reddit snark groups

[patent bear]

We've seen enough to form our own opinions.

[toxic rampart]

Oh hey I dropped something fun.
Oops.
https://youtu.be/BiP0FpY88E4?si=3QdQNNITFat5KaYC

[earnest spire]

the guy say he rejected him put the dms he put out did not look like he did

[toxic rampart]

jingles keys

[terse pelican]

Electric Callboy is kinda weird, but good.

[harsh viper]

like literally half the discussions before this guy came here was about us not agreeing with thor

[patent bear]

And some of us are not going to want to form opinion on more drama that we don't want to know about.

[harsh viper]

we're not even good at being an echo chamber

[last citrus]

ye but this one is beyond js an opinion or not owning up to something, those r whatever to me, its about the manipulation of a unstable guy in text

nd i dont think u guys r an echo chamber, i js want to spark some awareness to this

[patent bear]

And we don't want to hear about it. Make your own opinion.

[toxic rampart]

As a silent vibe check at shows, I want to have one of their patches right next to NAILS and Chat Pile

[terse pelican]

Nice

[wispy plover]

It doesnt need to be talked about here. You wanted info, I linked you to Thor's response to it. Anything else is conjecture and opinions.

[fierce bison]

thor could turn out to be a complete prick and some of us wouldn't care because we're not here for the niceties, thor does cool shit and that's enough

[rustic maple]

tbf, part of the problem is it is very very hard to not respond to trash and then ppl end up feeding the fire by engaging. It would actually be better to block/ignore them and let the mods ban them if they go too far. Then you dont have to see it and they get no engagement. There are a handful of legitimate criticisms, but now is not the time to discuss it when its being lost in hate spam. Anyone who wanted an actual constructive conversation cant have that now and that is just how its going to be until ppl get something else to bandwagon on.

[last citrus]

hell yea its conjecture and opinions, thats what i'm here for, and ig kinda shifting towards js checking people kno about this

[flat moat]

People change with time and we don't know the full context, emotionally, relationship-wise and other formats. Could be true, could be cooked in either a photoshop editor and using a dummy account.
I'm not going to hold a man's prior relations against him and thus I'm also not going to hold Lyric's evidence against Thor, especially given the fact they dedicated time to make a whole documentary site for this to bring up relationship drama that we can't verify.
It's not our fight, it's not our circus.

[harsh viper]

we're not here for conjecture though, that's why you were told off

[fierce bison]

why is it so important to you that people know about this

[harsh viper]

so if you could kindly respect that

[patent bear]

But you asked if there was any truth on it. That changes the scope of the discussion.

[wispy plover]

Yeah why are you so obsessed with his private life?

You tryna hit, little sealion?

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/lemme-smash-lemme-smash-becky-ron-gif-8188124

[last citrus]

cuz it's js kinda weird yk, def suprised me

had me shook

[harsh viper]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-oh-yeah-smile-gif-17833039109088088176

[patent bear]

Then that's your opinion. Move on.

[harsh viper]

does that mean we should be obsessed with it?

[last citrus]

thats my feelings, my opinion is something to be formed, its malleable, not js some certantity i wont back down from

[flat moat]

Also, sorry you've been dealt with harshly, rarephyd. There's been a lot of crap happening recently hence the negative reaction

[fierce bison]

this guy's been derailing this conversation with dumb drama for what, 30 minutes now, or more? What are we doing here

[patent bear]

Good for you. You're entitled to it. Move on.

[last citrus]

na i get it man, i appreciate tht

[fierce bison]

he's "just asking questions" you guys, completely harmless

[last citrus]

yeaaa bru, im js inquiring and what not

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/its-just-a-joke-bro-pierce-kavanagh-kavos-im-just-kidding-dont-take-it-serious-gif-21905708

[harsh viper]

if that's how you interpret the messages, that might be a you problem... no one is "shouting" here or insulting people

[patent bear]

He asked for if there was any truth on gossip. We don't want to discuss it.

[last citrus]

but they are being very dismissive in a pretty disrespectful when i js wanted to check in

[fierce bison]

i was being sarcastic bro

[harsh viper]

sarcasm is hard over text

[patent bear]

'tis

[toxic rampart]

Just being honest, the constant "Just asking questions" is what's tilting chat.
We literally have an emote for this behavior now lol

[terse pelican]

We're dismissive because there's nothing to discuss.

[winged knoll]

Hi chat

[rustic maple]

this will continue as long as they are getting a response

[last citrus]

most the people here didnt even check the context, so i'm looking for people who did and can and are willing to discuss

[terse pelican]

You dismiss what people say because it doesn't fit what you want, Even if people have read the 'original' sources.

You're trying to discuss the topic in bad faith

[harsh viper]

I did check it and I still won't discuss it, so you're the one being disrespectful by forcing the issue

[patent bear]

You're not going to find those people on this server.

[shell osprey]

What even is this magical context that makes any of it important though

[flat moat]

Let's leave Thor's personal life to Thor tbh

[fierce bison]

same, checked it, a nothing burger

[rustic maple]

Greetings, someone call my work and tell them ive been kidnapped. I have 15 min to leave for work and I dont want to read contracts today 😦

[last citrus]

alr then, fr this time, ima leave it alone, if u dnt kno tht context check it out pls, i dont wanna waste anymore of ur guy's time, thx again to all, i meant no offense 🙏

[terse pelican]

Did you forget the memo of Pre-Work Scrum, And Unpaid Overtime?

[toxic rampart]

I mean... you could NOT read them.
Probably a bad idea but that is an option.

[rustic maple]

I would take a pre-work scrum at this point. They delayed it 45 min yesterday. I gave up and thought they werent gonna do it only to immediately get called away as soon as I tried to start getting things done

https://tenor.com/view/aaa-gif-1155116025040809968

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[cinder fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/rugby-state-of-origin-new-zealand-rugby-australia-rugby-gif-5412921

good game of rugby before work to wake everyone up sounds like a great plan

[rustic maple]

...can I claim a concussion and get a nap >.>

Ill take it

[toxic rampart]

I love pre clock in concussions!

[cinder fjord]

oh no we're clocking in for the match, the bosses get no free entertainment

[toxic rampart]

Now you're speaking my language lol

Management once asked why I don't clock in 5 minute early.
I asked if they wanna give me the 20 hours overtime / year because yes, I AM that petty lmao

[cinder fjord]

those 20hrs aren't cheap

[gloomy forge]

I mean even a drop in the bucket everyday will eventually fill that bucket.

[toxic rampart]

YEP

[cinder fjord]

that's a brand new console every year

[rustic maple]

They have instead decided to put you on salary but the small text says you have to work 80hr/week.

[toxic rampart]

And you don't get my time, unless you pay me. That's the contract of work lol

[astral crypt]

Those messages are fake.

[rustic maple]

They have stopped, dont start it again 😦

[patent bear]

They're a mod.

[rustic maple]

oh wait thas a mod

I should look

[winged knoll]

[rustic maple]

oops

[gloomy forge]

Some companies and people working for them need to realize that every worker is a precious asset instead of just a +1. I know its not often that way but I feel in some places its different.

[patent bear]

If mod steps in, they'll handle it.

[winged knoll]

Mod-san is here eberibodiv hib

[astral crypt]

Who else would confirm it besides Thor and Shaye? Yes it was confirmed.

huh?

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-face-gif-4522918356523415114

[astral crypt]

Nope. They're gone

If you're here calling Thor and Shaye liars, I am not here for it

[knotty marsh]

RIP

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-cat-gif-23507304

For the Mods

[rustic maple]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-puppies-puppy-cute-gif-16683889

[patent bear]

Much appeciated.

[astral crypt]

[toxic rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/743942740504608859/1186120550385451049/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[astral crypt]

hehehe

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-samwise-gif-24075832

doggo has one of these.

[rustic maple]

no doggo, only bread

[gloomy forge]

doesn't that mean that the bread transforms into a dog then?

[knotty marsh]

Beagle bagel

[rustic maple]

shhhhh, dont tell his secrets

[last citrus]

sorry, i rly don'y mean to respark, can u direct me to any other resources or (and i don't mean this to call them liars) proof of some sort ? if not its chill, js wondering if theres more too it 🤞

[vocal tree]

I feel that every mod here would benefit from an emotional support animal these days. Or a hug at least. Doing some heavy lifting here

[astral crypt]

Sadly the person brought this stuff up 5 years ago. 5 years ago...and Shaye has a new phone so the side by sides are not available anymore

I spoke up because I thought my words might mean something more to you

But if it doesn't, let's drop this.

[last citrus]

na it fs does, thx u, appreaciate it 🫡

[fierce bison]

honestly more patience than i would have had with this

[astral crypt]

I understand that people don't have back doors access like I do

I'm happy to speak up when I know something

[fierce bison]

saint mod

[astral crypt]

haha I'll save that. Thanks

[rustic maple]

And time for work if I want to get paid. Have good day everyone!

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[earnest cove]

One of the weirdest justification of harassment I've seen on twitter

"He spent 7 years in early access and his game still looks like it's made on SNES"

?????????? HUH???????

What are they expecting, 3d graphics???

[terse pelican]

Hyper-Realistic, Ray-Traced, 8K Texture

[gloomy forge]

If you hate on someone, you begin justifying anything to rationalize with that position.

[earnest spire]

just hate to hate

[wispy plover]

I can't believe Thor won't give us GTA6.

[terse pelican]

Thor would never do 6. He'd skip it for 7.

[knotty marsh]

Should be GTA, clearly

[terse pelican]

and it would be named ''Grand Theft Ferret 7''

[earnest cove]

GTA wheeze yup yup

[wispy plover]

That makes way too much sense

[ionic sleet]

Season 2 of the cooking show

[cinder fjord]

cool artstyle > photorealism any day, if i wanna llook at real shit i'll go touch grass lol

[terse pelican]

Yeah pretty much, But people just use ''Graphics'' as a buzzword to hate on anything and everything without having any legit criticism

[cinder fjord]

oh yeah i know, my own game is gonna suffer for that as well even though i'm putting as much effort into the looks as any AAA studio does llol

[terse pelican]

What kind of game are you making?

[drowsy vector]

(was asked in chat)
For those wondering why many games aren't available in Germany, it needs an ESRB rating
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/4678768276768588864#:~:text=As you may have heard,the process for new releases

[cinder fjord]

VR gladiator game with good combat, but the whole thing is watercolour style, it'll look like you're fighting in a painting

[terse pelican]

Oh that's cool.

[cinder fjord]

the "good combat" part is important, cause it'll be the first VR melee game that actually has a proper combat system too

[ionic sleet]

it should be noted that game ratings are optional ESRB/PEGI

[earnest cove]

Same person said

-His game is single player but requires you to be online to play
 -Questionable game dev skills, bragging the opposite

🤣 heartbound is not even online only wth

[gloomy forge]

We actually talked about this stuff during the thunderdome times germany need mandantory "USK ratings" and the people who work in the USK are required to play through whats available fully.

[terse pelican]

I haven't ever touched VR, Just felt it was too costly, and with my vision issues, I felt it wassn't for me. But I hope your game does good.

[wispy plover]

I have learned something new today.

[patent bear]

Do we want to care?

[cinder fjord]

it's come a long way, you can get lense inserts for glasses, and prices are way down, if you're iunterested in trying it out at some point

[terse pelican]

Selective Narrativism, Where they create a narrative, based on 'select' facts/Pseudo-facts

[gloomy forge]

Yeah gladiator fighting games are so much fun but I don't have much room for VR I'd just bonk stuff.

[ionic sleet]

best to just ignore them

[terse pelican]

That's cool, I'll look into it

[cinder fjord]

oh it's not just a blade'n'sorcery sandbox clone, i've got multiple endings to the story mode, the NPC actually fight you, like actually fight you, reacting to your attacks and how you're defending etc. none of the usual "wait around for the robot to stop moving so you can whack it" stuff

[gloomy forge]

ahhh, so like a immersive souls like experience? sounds cool and unique.

[cinder fjord]

more like an immersive "closest thing you're gonna get to actually sparring in VR" experience

[gloomy forge]

Yeah I done HEMA, aint no way I have the space for that here

[earnest cove]

Ya very much so. Every justification mow runs on that. Also that person went into animal abuse accusations in the end it's just insanity. The same kind that might flood later today which sucks. I don't understand how sick a person's life is to reach this level...

[terse pelican]

Are you going to use a Neural Netowrk to have the enemies get smarter, or will the difficulty be linear?

[earnest cove]

Ooooooooo i saw a vtuber try yhat out once

[cinder fjord]

no need for neural nets to make difficulty interesting

[cinder fjord]

yeah it's a fun game, but the fighting in it is really clumsy and lacks any depth

[terse pelican]

Course, there's more ways than a Neural network, It was just the first think I thought of

[cinder fjord]

that's what i'm trying to fix with my game

[earnest cove]

Yeah it's not up to par with true hema

[earnest cove]

All the best

[cinder fjord]

it's cause all the gamedevs are gamedevs not martial artists

can't really expect them to try turning the thought processes of fighting into a game-able logic flow lol

[terse pelican]

I've heard people that practice HEMA say that it's hard to fight someone that knows nothing about HEMA, than it is to fight someone that have had some degree of training

[gloomy forge]

exactly because there is a danger of injury involved with someone who is inexperienced with sparing, not only that but you can also hurt yourself if you're new.

[flint yarrow]

Just like how it feels weird to fight beginners in a fighting game

[gloomy forge]

Always train responsibly too

[terse pelican]

Always.

[flint yarrow]

They do things you don't expect because experienced players wouldn't do those things in that situation

But the newbie is just mashing buttons having a blast

[cinder fjord]

ok now i'm gonna have to try and figure out how to make a "newbiebrain" NPC style loll

[flint yarrow]

It involves your face and your selected input method getting close to one another

[cinder fjord]

cause they'll take chances no sane person would

[flint yarrow]

Works best with hitbox or keyboard

[cinder fjord]

i think i have a way to do it, high weight on "counterattack" when chances of pulling off a counter are low lol

then give them an animation set that's a bit more wild and overcomitted

[terse pelican]

gotta have a NPC that copies moves from movies, Like spinning and stuff

[cinder fjord]

yeah those can go in the noob moveset

and in the master noobset in teh "extremely situational" folder

[terse pelican]

Whenever you say Noobset, I just think of Noob Saibot

[earnest cove]

I saw someone actually won a tournament with a surprise dark souls roll and land a strike. Few people have the flexibility to do that

[cinder fjord]

i actually didn't mean noobset thre, i meant moveset

[cinder fjord]

that's why these moves also go in the master set, categorized under "extremely situational"

[terse pelican]

I'd break my neck if I tried to roll

[earnest cove]

Yep

[cinder fjord]

i'd love to get into hema properly, need money first lol

[earnest cove]

There's also the bunny hop that was insane

[cinder fjord]

atm i'm too much of the broke artist trope

[earnest cove]

A fencer from Olympics i think. He kept jumping upwards and it made him hard to aim. Then he striked when there was hesitation

Cloak and cape throws were very common in history

[cinder fjord]

and pocketsand

[earnest cove]

Aah the pocketsand

Doton no jutsu (earth jutsu)

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[earnest cove]

Pocket sand is universal

[cinder fjord]

it was a thing, there was one of the old fencers that suggested carrying a pouch of fine dirt and sand to use in a fight lol

[earnest cove]

Very practical tactic

[cinder fjord]

still applies today

can't shoot/stab what you can't see lol

[terse pelican]

No such thing as a fair street fight

[cinder fjord]

nah every street fight is fair, cause everyone knows going in that nothing is off the table

[earnest cove]

So common it was, some people trained to fight blind

They gagued by sound

[cinder fjord]

specially a lot of eastern martial arts, lots of drills based around maintaining contact and reacting to to what you feel

[earnest cove]

Ya

[cinder fjord]

taichi is a pretty underrated one

[earnest cove]

Blind practice very common advanced stuff I'm glad to see someone knowing that

[cinder fjord]

it's not even only useful when you're fighting blind, it's just good to understand how to feel changes in balance and monentum

[earnest cove]

Yaaaaaa

[cinder fjord]

same applies to swords, when you're in the bind you need to be able to feel that stuff blind or not

and spears, staffs, sticks, anyting really

[earnest cove]

Always fun talking about martial arts

I gtg now to deal with full body pain si i brb

[cinder fjord]

that sounds....fun?

[earnest cove]

More like gtg

Gotta try rest

[cinder fjord]

rest is good

[earnest cove]

So byes 👋

[cinder fjord]

cya later

[blissful imp]

This whole drama situation bs with Thor reminds me of the Dream situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18jB0zQysgg

the good thing is it seems Dream has survived his bs

[cinder fjord]

i'm just ignoring it for the most part, rough stuff doesn't seem to have much substance to it and the rest either got squashed before or just boils down to "i disagree and don't like the guy"

[carmine birch]

Noita

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-noita-noita-game-bomb-failed-gif-15224035727671027749

[marsh dove]

Hating Thor is just the cool thing to do this month.

[terse pelican]

More like, This year.

[gloomy forge]

And the next year. but it will pass.

Oh sheesh its true, Thor plays Noita.

[winged knoll]

[cinder fjord]

no, noita plays thor

[winged knoll]

The interweb will forget soon once there’s a shiny new things to hate

Until Thor did something controversy again

[fierce bison]

you guys think you have it rough seeing the hate on yt against thor, i had to go through most of that crap, endless hours of braindead arguments, my youtube script has like 12 pages so far full of counterarguments

my iq has dropped 12 points

[cinder fjord]

or until no one's doing a controversy and people roll the dice on who to shit on next

[winged knoll]

Block, not recommended, and move on

Also detach yourself from the drama

Emotionally at least

Don’t let it get to you

[fierce bison]

i'm covering it, making a yt video on it, exposing the bs emotional manipulation skg employed to get their signatures, crap like that. I'm a former ubisoft dev and unfortunately, like thor said, a lot of us did not speak up against this crap and let it just turn into an echochamber/circus

[earnest spire]

you can also "not interested on your home page" and 'tell us why'

[fierce bison]

i'm pretty emotionally detatched from it, but it's not fair the other side of the argument was silenced to this degree

[mellow silo]

I'd break the floor

[winged knoll]

You will get unnecessary hate for those videos tho

[fierce bison]

so i had to go through all thos yt videos

[winged knoll]

[fierce bison]

yeah i know, the few devs that spoke against it have been downvoted to oblivion

it doesn't matter

[winged knoll]

Could potentially harm your future career path, who knows

[fierce bison]

it's an annonymous yt account

[winged knoll]

But if you do those videos i will wholeheartedly support you

Ah

Yeah that’s better

[patent bear]

When Thor tells the greater internet to only attack him if they feel compulsion to do so, and leave everyone and everything else out of it, yet trolls go attack those very things anyway, the humour can be lost.

[fierce bison]

i'm not dumb enough to dox myself, but the developers (not big corpos) side of the argument needs to be heard, in order for any legislation to be correct

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-talk-about-such-things-joey-gladstone-dave-coulier-fuller-house-we-dont-mention-that-gif-17868280

[gentle mortar]

I have seen a person that spoke against it and people then started go all over their socials, it's insane man

[fierce bison]

yeah it's ad hominem taken to extreme

[winged knoll]

I think your experience at Ubisoft most likely gonna be an argument people going to spin against you

[fierce bison]

yeah i am aware, although i'll try to make it clear that i have no love/loyalty for the company, i left a long time ago and for a reason

[winged knoll]

Internet is going to be like that, big corpo bad

[fierce bison]

but there are things that people don't know unless they work in big companies/on big projects

yeah i'll try to make it clear, after all us devs don't have shares in big companies, we still get the same shitty fixed monthly salary (that btw is lower than if i worked at software company)

because they think, oh you really love making games, then you'll put up with the lower salary

it pretty much holds true everywhere in the industry, too, even at my current job

[fierce bison]

do you happen to have a link to them? I only have like 2 or 3 devs channels on yt that i know of that spoke up, would be good to add another one

[gentle mortar]

It might have been in the thunderdome channel. Honestly I dont remember sorry. Ask @Action Dan, who has been on the drama all the time it happened, and shown few youtube channels against it.

[wicked schooner]

There's a blog post talking about how tone death the initiative is on EU law. Dont know if youve seen it yet
https://danieltan.weblog.lol/2025/07/stop-killing-games-and-the-eu-when-activism-meets-legal-reality

[fierce bison]

I have not, thank you for this

who is this person? i can't find an about page

[wicked schooner]

Yeah me too

No idea

[blissful imp]

uhhh new internet is bringing back old internet memes and trends. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osVf5Mi_RTk

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-what-is-the-flop-everybody-do-the-flop-dance-dancing-gif-16110772

[split tulip]

https://youtu.be/ZZ5LpwO-An4?si=09JSVLt2BXU2DhFb

Vintage

[cinder fjord]

lawmakers don't give a crap about that though, they'll do whatever makes them the most money which is what the megacorps want, so you cna pretty much guarantee than any legislation absolutely sucks lol

[fierce bison]

eh, I somewhat agree somewhat disagree. A single voice might not matter, but multiple people putting information out there that corrects the misinformation, that can help

[wet storm]

Did you guys see discord orbs?

Sorry to derail bit it's drama so mehehbembhg

Orbs!!

Discord gamified not touching grass

[cinder fjord]

i've yet to see a government no ruin any and all good ideas fed to them

[winged knoll]

I don't want to see your orbs

[wet storm]

Check the Dutch healthcare sytem

[winged knoll]

[fierce bison]

eh, i think that's a big disingenuous to say
gdpr is a good thing

i'm sure there are other examples

[cinder fjord]

i'd say those are exceptions, not the general rule lol

[fierce bison]

either way more information is better than less information is my point

[wet storm]

No, you said you're yet to see any and all good ideas

[cinder fjord]

not disagreeing there, i just have zero faith in politicians

[fierce bison]

yeah well that's neither here nor there

[wet storm]

Man I hope this community doesn't become an ancap circlejerk

[fierce bison]

doesn't change the fact us devs need to speak up

[cinder fjord]

look at basicaly everything that's happened in the UK in the last 20+ years lmao

[wet storm]

It'd suck ass

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/orb-praise-the-orb-gif-15424599347508395030

[cinder fjord]

the hell is an ancap?

[wet storm]

Sure. As an euro migrant I got access to excellent healthcare compared to any other country (except perhaps the Netherlands) I lived in (I lived in four different countries), and they gave me right to vote for general elections

[fierce bison]

i'm guessing anarchy capitalist

[wet storm]

Yes

Anarco-capitalist

Zero state, all corpos

[cinder fjord]

lol anyone who thinks anarchy could work is dumb as a rock

[wet storm]

You just said you have zero trust in government

[lapis tartan]

I'm poor as crap, I'm the furthest thing from corpo.

[fierce bison]

yeah i don't think anyone is arguing for that

[untold seal]

In b4 someone, usually a normie, claims that you are , "nOt REaLly a DeV, industry PlaNt!!!!"

Same person will then pay full price for the next live service game

[fierce bison]

indeed i'm half waiting for that

[wet storm]

I have an industry plant

Somewhere

It's a ficus, they're popular in offices

[cinder fjord]

i do have no trust in government, doesn't mean i think we'd be better off with a pure "right of might" warlord society

[split tulip]

that means you're in the Shadow Cabal (tm)

[wet storm]

So you trust the government to hold the monopoly on violence, at least, then

This isn't politics before anyone's feather's get ruffled. We're talking law so far

[cinder fjord]

i think their shittyness is less shitty than alternative shittynesses

[wet storm]

Ayoooo

[lapis tartan]

Office pets seem to be a fun alternative to office plants. I like the videos of the office cat making the employees happy. Good for business... Uh, Again, Not a corpo here... shifty eyes

[wet storm]

We reached common ground

Consider thine hand shook

🤝

[cinder fjord]

i think we were always on that ground lol

[wet storm]

I got a bit scared when you said you have zero trust on any and all government actions on any good ideas

[lapis tartan]

I believe the saying is "Down to earth"

[flat moat]

It just comes down to accountability and repercussions

[wet storm]

'cos the alternative is, say, diffusal of the monopoly of violence. I joked about this before, I don't wanna see an Apple iTank™ in the streets

[terse pelican]

The Devs of Expedition 33 Office Dogs, that have official titles

[wet storm]

We had an office dog

at one job I worked at

It was the coolest shit

[cinder fjord]

oh i trust them to do 2 things, line their pockets and do whatever they can to stay in power, it just happens that our current system is balanced just well enough that we don't all go insane and turn the world int oa mad max style hellscape

[wet storm]

We had a good break policy as well so break was play a round of ping pong, have a coffee and pet the dog

[flat moat]

What about a railway baboon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_(baboon)

[wet storm]

Indeed. I believe that's everyone's goals tho

[flat moat]

Best boy

[wet storm]

Government and private businesses

There's virtues in both

And vices

[lapis tartan]

Animals are amazing, look how much human BS they can put up with.

[cinder fjord]

yeah but i think they're a lot more willing to squash a lot more people undder their boots to do it than any decent person would bbe comfortable with

[lapis tartan]

If it's smart enough.

[wet storm]

GODDAMNIT

Beat me to it

[tribal nest]

!fridge

[dapper raven]

The Legends were true! https://youtu.be/ZhRkxUDadUA

[split tulip]

but what if I'm not

[tribal nest]

You're a fridge?!

[fluid dome]

Skill issue

[split tulip]

no, I'm a toaster obviously

[terse pelican]

At least you're smart enough to not outsource your critical thinking to Grok, Aka MechaHitler.

[lapis tartan]

I'm a wise ass, though one time I fell on my ass and the dr. down graded me to a smart ass for a week. Said if I did it again, I'd be a dumbass.

[tribal nest]

"Grok, how do I not outsource my critical thinking to Grok?"

[lapis tartan]

Fun fact, Grok's brain requires so much water to stay cool, they resorted to using sewage.

[flat moat]

That explains some of it's recent results

[lapis tartan]

Grok has shit for brains 😄

[harsh viper]

snorb

[harsh viper]

well he has twitter for brains so it was inevitable

[uneven salmon]

you're welcome

[lapis tartan]

The fact the difference between twitter now and shit is indistinguishable says a lot...

[uneven salmon]

idk why its so bright but

[flat moat]

He's casting a spell

[uneven salmon]

Makes sense

[harsh viper]

that's not a recent change, it's not the first "ai" trained on twitter to go full shitler

[lapis tartan]

Wizard: I cast fire ball in the small room.

[harsh viper]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-battle-magician-nice-argument-fireball-punkeydoodles8-gif-16383972292825395645

[terse pelican]

Did you guys see the newest bs with Grok?

[flat moat]

You mean it's Japan moment when it got nuked for the second time by Elon and now it's producing anime girls? yes

[terse pelican]

Yes.

[lapis tartan]

Oh no...

[harsh viper]

lul

did not see that one coming

[wicked schooner]

Wha....

[lapis tartan]

Oh, Grok has a Vtuber wife now?

[flat moat]

Yes

[terse pelican]

https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1944811599119651090

DogeDesigner (@cb_doge)

Try out Companions in the Grok app!

Update the app and enable Companions in Settings.

X · Jul 14, 2025, 5:29 PM

[mellow silo]

🐒

[gentle mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-monke-monkey-spin-ape-gif-25078721

monke spotted

[wicked schooner]

You mean grok has an anime wife or grok IS the anime wife?

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/waifu-anime-trash-gif-18286571

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/обезьяна-gif-27694470

[flat moat]

Both

Watch the birthrate of the world plummet

Skynut is upon us

https://youtube.com/shorts/Sq4ovW011BQ?si=l5mxmfvKFN8v_5Hz

[lapis tartan]

I think I remember Thor's thoughts on that... "You really want to tell an AI all sorts of personal shit while Elon watches? Hmm?"

[winged knoll]

Skynut is upon us

[winged knoll]

Both

[flat moat]

https://youtube.com/shorts/32UdPOTZAC4?si=eGwhmybFxF0Q0T9B

Foresight is 2 for 2

[terse pelican]

It just makes me think of that weird AI Companion Necklace that showed up

[winged knoll]

Every office should have an emotional support doggo or catto

Me want give pat pat

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/life-alert-gif-9954178

[harsh viper]

I volunteer, I have two

[fierce bison]

my previous job used to allow for pets to be brought into office. Interestingly enough it was mostly golden retrievers

[winged knoll]

Must be bliss

[fierce bison]

cute puppers yes

[winged knoll]

Code while pat pat and getting licky licky from a goldie

[winged knoll]

Nice pupper

Whats his name?

[fierce bison]

eh they were actually pretty well behaved, would mostly sit under their owner's desk, you'd rarely see them wander around

[winged knoll]

No goldie retrieve energy and pick me up a waifu? I got lied too smh

[fierce bison]

probably only got to pet them once or twice

[harsh viper]

Uni (hard U, his whole name is in latin)

[fierce bison]

yeah surprisingly no

[winged knoll]

[fierce bison]

great now i want a dog 😦 but landlord says no pets

[winged knoll]

Give him a good boi pat pat for me

[harsh viper]

by the laws in my country the landlord can't forbid you from getting pets

[winged knoll]

[fierce bison]

i'm in the UK

[fierce bison]

that is an awesome law

[harsh viper]

I will, as soon as he unglues himself from the cold tiles

[wet storm]

haha what a polite boi

It's not pet if it's pest control!

[fierce bison]

hmm interesting strategy, interesting (takes notes)

[mellow silo]

144p Thor

[wet storm]

I clicked it thinking it was a video

[mellow silo]

I knew people would fall for it

Not me 🧠

[fierce bison]

i didn't click it because it was too low rez, i didn't want to watch that lol

[flint yarrow]

Multiple people brought dogs to my old workplace. The biggest regular was the cleaning ladies australian shepherd. Not much work was done, had to pet doggo

The floof in question

He's old and blind these days but still a good boi

Got to dogsit him for a weekend when nobody else could. Easiest job ever. Well trained dog, listens to plenty commands. 10/10 would do again

[vivid maple]

just wait till he goes deaf. and has to rely on touch to know where he is going.

[flint yarrow]

I think that's happening. Haven't been in contact for a while since they moved recently.

[harsh viper]

mission accomplished, pat pat given

on his wet head

I had to wash him because the other dog peed on him

[flint yarrow]

Dogs doing dog things

[mellow silo]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-dancing-monkey-vibing-monkey-jumping-monkey-vibe-check-gif-27025323

[vivid maple]

i only say that cause i have had experience with a basset hound that went deaf after going blind. had it forcefully taken from us and never returned all cause of some stupid karen that drove by our place

[flint yarrow]

😦

[still quiver]

Good mornin

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-npc-man-hu-ha-nice-day-for-fishing-morning-mornin-gif-17883323

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/vldl-viva-la-dirt-league-epic-npc-man-vldl-rowan-vldl-baelin-gif-18639341

[hasty grail]

game is fun, currently going for 100%

and its going to be the death of me

[terse pelican]

I need to get it at some point

[terse pelican]

I've also sworn to 'only' 100% one game, And that's Vampire Survivors.

[ionic sleet]

has hiemdall passed 1k last stream? also if it didn't there should be an achievement hiemdall unlocks

[opaque raven]

iirc it passed 2k

[terse pelican]

I think he hid it at 1987 or something like that

[patent bear]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Heartbound_(video_game)
So the guy who nominated the wikipedia page for deletion, basically admitted to not understanding criteria required for actual nomination. I've called him out on it.
I'm trying my best to not be partial on this, but if he's genuine and not intended to be a troll, the premise of the nomination is invalid to begin with.

(my wikipedia account pre-exists when I first began using this screen name, so I have a different identity there)

[terse pelican]

I'm unfamiliar with any criterea for Wikipedia pages, I'm just your average Wiki Reader when I want to look at surface level information on a topic

[opaque raven]

"Secondly this game has hardly any relevance and shouldn’t clutter Wikipedia."

Very nice argument my friend

[hard jackal]

what? We literally have https://heartbound.piratesoftware.wiki/wiki/Main_Page and https://heartbound.fandom.com/wiki/Heartbound_Wiki

[patent bear]

I replied with that wiki link.

Ok so just in case it's not obvious yet, I'm "Tytrox" on wikipedia.

[hasty grail]

from what i know, the counter is both bot bans and mod bans across youtube and twitch

[opaque raven]

What's the meaning of the + and - numbers on the log?

[ionic sleet]

add wordcount and minus wordcount

green means something was added to the page and red means it was taken off

[patent bear]

Increase and subtraction of data on the page.

It's not a rating thing.

[ionic sleet]

^ in smarter terms

[patent bear]

Data on wikipedia is measured in bytes, so + or - 200 is simply that much data in bytes added or removed.

+0 means no data change, which can simply be something like changing a comma to a period of whatever.

[ionic sleet]

one thing that goes unnoticed on WP. everything is saved.

[patent bear]

Within reason.

On extremely rare occasions, logs can be purged from public view.

But it has to be exceptional.

[ionic sleet]

I know WP has the protections in place for changes during controversy. has any of thors stuff been targetted besides this?

[patent bear]

The record of its occurrence remains, but is striked out, and the edit itself cannot be viewed publicly. It will just simply say when and by whom.

[patent bear]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heartbound_(video_game)&action=history

Whatever is in that log.

[ionic sleet]

I cant see that part when i clicked on the view history

[swift gulch]

Amazing. Guy in YouTube chat implying Heartbound is only being developed off stream because Thor isn't actually the one making it

🤦

This has gone beyond reaching, they're tearing their arm off and chucking it across the room

[wicked schooner]

The theories just keep coming huh?

[hard jackal]

This is show on the Recent Changes Page. This is just a screenshot from the BG Wiki. It works the same since everything is MediaWiki.

[opaque raven]

It's just about throwing things at a wall to see what sticks

[flat moat]

I'm looking at the history of the wikipedia article and jfc does it have a history of the drama on it. Why were people's changes accepted? wth

[fierce bison]

I think the case for keeping the page is very simple: the game is notable, the vast amount of people dogpiling on Thor already made sure the game is notable

[opaque raven]

Honestly, Wikipedia is WAY more organized thn I thought it would be

[fierce bison]

and we can also drop them a thank you for keeping the game notable

[patent bear]

He doesn't understand my counter-argument, and is interpreting it as a personal attack.

[opaque raven]

It's so weird to see this as a win
"Ye, let's delete his game's wiki page!!"

[fierce bison]

I wouldn't even address/attack the person, I would just point out that the game is notable, as it's all over the media, simple as that

pretty much ends the discussion

[ionic sleet]

had to install the old wiki extension. didn't realise how much i missed the old WP look. also i don't have an account so i couldn't do account method it properly

[wicked schooner]

So who actually has the power to delete wikipedia pages?

[patent bear]

Wikipedia Admins.

What I don't appreciate is a deletion discussion can't be cancelled once it's nominated unless done so by the nominator, it has to run its course.

[ionic sleet]

the ones with the biggest Steel balls in the world

[terse pelican]

Can the Wikipedia Admins do anything about an active Deletion Discussion or nullify the 'consensus' at the end?

[opaque raven]

Man...pls don't make me create an account just to talk to this person about German Wikipedia, they got no clue what the frick they are talking about

[patent bear]

If it's ruled as "no consensus", the page will remain.

[patent bear]

I believe "IP edits" are possible... maybe... I think... unsure.

[ionic sleet]

I somewhat get a reason for not being able to do this but surely there could be some sort of timelimit in place before to fix it

[hard jackal]

They are.

[patent bear]

Yes. If consensus is insufficient, it's re-tabled by mods/admins for maybe a week or 2 longer or whatever, then eventually it'll wrap up.

[flat moat]

The last 4 entries at the top of edits are made by specific public IPs

[patent bear]

It'll be up until consensus is reached, or it's gone too long without establishing one, to which the deletion nomination is cancelled.

[ionic sleet]

Are WP mods/admins allowed bread?

[patent bear]

Not enough to lock the page.

[flat moat]

I might not have the exact page at the moment but I could have sworn I saw a 32.xxx.xxx.xx IP

[hard jackal]

Example

[patent bear]

It has to be like a wave of vandal edits. Dozens, hundreds, in a small period of time.

[patent bear]

That's the page history itself, I was more referring to the deletion discussion.

[hard jackal]

Ah, gotcha. Also a yes for that one.

[ionic sleet]

Is there a new account page edit protections in place?

[hard jackal]

No. You don't even need an Account in the first place.

[split tulip]

There are ip bans if you are considered malicious

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/drcox-scrubs-head-gif-4862594

That persons head needs to be examined to see if there's anything in there

[opaque raven]

Let me predict the next post on reddit or YouTube drama:

"Thor's sheeple army went to defend him when this user correctly tried to fix with the truth on this Wikipedia page! Unbelievable!"

[patent bear]

There can be, depends on the level of lock down.

[silver vapor]

Why would it be considered a personal attack?

[ionic sleet]

I thought you needed an account to edit anything on there

[hard jackal]

You need an Account for our Community Wikis, but not for Wikipedia. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[patent bear]

Because I initially suggested he could be a troll/sockpuppet for this being the first page he's ever interacted with, inside the last 24 hours, on a 3 year old account.

[terse pelican]

Fermented Sockpuppet, Or just a genuine hater.

[ionic sleet]

yea i think all community ones need an account. surprised the main WP didn't need one

[patent bear]

I thought his account was brand new before I checked further, then clarified the 3 years old part.

[outer cobalt]

people are editing the wiki now?

[ionic sleet]

wikipedia not heartbound wiki

[flat moat]

Wikipedia, yes

[patent bear]

Wikipedia, not the game wiki.

[hard jackal]

You can set it up how you want. I could change our Wikis so that we would allow IP Edits. But I wont.

[terse pelican]

The Wikipedia page of Heartbound yes, Not the Heartbound fan Wiki, which is much better.

[outer cobalt]

Yeah ik. Well if anything goes, they still have not denounced harassment on thor or his games, and its still allowed on their discord

[patent bear]

To be honest, I won't be too surprised if the page does get deleted based on GNG, but his reasoning is invalid objectively within scope of the policy he's basing on the deletion.

Which he admitted to not understanding.

[hard jackal]

I mean. They tried and I banned them and deleted the revision itself.

[opaque raven]

Hmmm on the other hand
It's a great opportunity to make the page stronger like you are doing

[harsh viper]

he should be the one to prove insufficient notability, not everyone else having to prove him wrong 🙃

[opaque raven]

So thanks for trying to find flaws, you are helping the community in many ways ☀️

[patent bear]

Exactly.

[harsh viper]

there's a lot of this going around right now

[opaque raven]

Being a public figure sounds very annoying

[harsh viper]

hehe right

[terse pelican]

Being In Public is annoying.

[fierce bison]

being is annoying

[harsh viper]

public is also annoying

[jolly sky]

Do the GNG Look at these conversation logs? If so could they not just throw out the case based on that?

[patent bear]

GNG is a notability policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline

[jolly sky]

Oh sorry I mistook it as a group

[patent bear]

I figured you may have.

[proud lily]

To be fair, even tho I don't agree with the man at all, proving insufficent notability is "proving a negative" and as such not doable.

[ionic sleet]

you would just need to link a single thing from an accepted site.

[fierce bison]

Gobbo makes a good point there I think

on the other hand proving it's notable is easy

and you only need to do it once, then they can never make that argument again

[terse pelican]

Guess I gotta read what Wiki defines as Notable.

[harsh viper]

if that were true the existence of the article by itself would be proof enough because they accepted it at some point

[patent bear]

Wikipedia's policy on notability is it needs to be independent/neutral and widespread enough.

[ionic sleet]

I don't think anything within the last year would qualify

not neutral

[proud lily]

Sadly no. Wikipedia defines notability in part through "significant coverage". Meaning a topic mustn't be discussed only once or twice, but a significant number of times to constitute notability. What constitutes significant is up to debate

[fierce bison]

there's a whole load of youtube videos covering the game no?

[patent bear]

Anyway, I'm off to bread.
As I said, I won't be surprised if the page does end up being deleted based on GNG, but the weight could be used on other people who've cast their vote as opposed to the actual reason for deletion initially nominated.

[harsh viper]

it's a bit more complicated than that

[ionic sleet]

sadly they are not neutral

[fierce bison]

I see

[vivid maple]

https://vxtwitter.com/Top_Disaster/status/1945106970718974255

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[proud lily]

Another point of Wikipedia is the sources need to be reliable. Wikipedia straight up keeps a list of sources they consider reliable

[patent bear]

Youtube drama is not wikipedia notable.

[fierce bison]

GNG does not specify neutral from what i see

[river cargo]

There are alot of wikipedia pages edited by the creators though

alot of athletes and stuff

this would be pretty hypocritical to single out thor

[patent bear]

The outlets need to demonstrate neutrality, not sway.

[opaque raven]

The person stated that they don't know the rules

[patent bear]

Exactly why I feel the nomination should be revoked.

[ionic sleet]

that person also has a 3yr old account and the bio page says "Hi"

[opaque raven]

This is all so childish

Again

[ionic sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/insubordinate-churlish-key-and-peele-jimesia-rude-gif-7954961

[terse pelican]

I honestly wouldn't be Using 'Youtube Drama' as a source

[jolly sky]

""""""covering""""""

What it really is is Finding any excuse to shit on Thor, and thus decompiling the game in an attempt to tear it apart

[harsh viper]

afaik you can edit it yourself if you provide outside sources (this has been the subject of controversy many times, you can't for example say you have {insert country/ethnicity} roots without providing a 3rd party article that states as much)

[jolly sky]

I've not yet seen a single video that is actually looking at Heartbound in good faith

[patent bear]

If this guy wins, I'm going to inactivate my wikipedia account again.

[opaque raven]

Reading the whole argument is just funny
"I was reading on reddit about Thor and this game and (...)"

You know what's the craziest part...if the page somehow gets deleted this would be commemorated as a huge win and etc

[harsh viper]

like they could probably stop there and throw the whole thing out based on that single comment :D

[opaque raven]

I still don't fully understand how a deletion is decided, could someone explain pls?

[fluid dome]

Someone give me a tldr

[patent bear]

You'd have to read wikipedia's policies.

[patent bear]

Someone nominated the wikipedia article about Heartbound for deletion due to failure of significant notability.

But the facts he's used don't suit the criteria for the nomination.

[terse pelican]

As their first ever act

[harsh viper]

not sus at all

[hard smelt]

maybe just a miss click if unban tomorrow when been on his side of things now i know roach king is in the list

[terse pelican]

In what context did you say ''Roach King'' ?

[hard smelt]

15:36 on 15 July 2025 unban message

[harsh viper]

after a week of discussion a wikimod makes a decision

there can be an appeal process after that

[proud lily]

Once again, don't agree with the guy. But bickering on a Wikipedia page is helping neither side.
And as that other guy told you, just because the man made the claim in bad faith, doesn't reduce the validity of the claim sadly.
Voting Keep with the claim the initiator is acting in bad faith is going to get your vote discarded.

[jolly sky]

We can't see that, hence why Zer0 asked you what the context was behind it

[hard smelt]

aa thort was mod no worrys then i'll just wait

[opaque raven]

The way I see it's less about sides and more about what's correct, as I'm going against false premises and lies

[proud lily]

Yes exactly. Which is why the lies and false premises themselves need to be refuted, and not the person making them.

[jolly sky]

Then all I can hope for you is that you provided a good faith unban request message, and that the logs of what you've said in the past are also polite in nature.

[hard smelt]

all i said is ello fellow roach to other user since they was saying about zack but ya

[swift gulch]

Ah, roach is probably what got you

[summer night]

yeah thats defo the word

[hard smelt]

;p that my guess to not like i was going for ToS like most

[swift gulch]

"Roaching" in Hardcore WoW is ditching your party to die
On account of the Dire Maul drama, a lot of people sling that at him

[terse pelican]

Roach is a popular word in the troll-dictonary that the Hate-Ragers use against Thor.

[hard smelt]

ya WoW players man

[rigid nimbus]

yeah roach is synonomous wiith pirate now

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-gif-20678102

[swift gulch]

I think they just mean to the people who dislike him

[rigid nimbus]

? i mean on the internet

[terse pelican]

Yeah I got that, I'm more using that Gif as a ''Shoo'' to people using it in such a way

Only time we talk about Roaches, IS when we talk about the literal Bug with that name

Or the family of bugs rather

[clear sigil]

Don't know if this is the right chat but how long does it take to review a ban review for twitch, I was banned for literally typing "!unfollow" in chat after someone responded not positively to a chat i typed. I love Pirate and support?

[jolly sky]

There isn't a guaranteed time but could be 24hrs

[clear sigil]

ok ty

[jolly sky]

Just explain what happened in your unban message when it comes through, and it should be good.

[opaque raven]

Thank god it wasn't on YouTube

Gossip says that unbanning on YouTube is crazy weird

[idle hill]

it is, it's essentially a permaban because it's Magic ordered of 500 people without any searching

[opaque raven]

The last 500?

[lyric venture]

Random 500

[opaque raven]

Ah

No no, sounds reasonable

Unban lottery

[swift gulch]

Not chronological, not alphabetical, and there's no search

And you also can't ctrl-F the page because they're in a weird styling element that's hiding the text from the search function

[opaque raven]

But....why...

[hard smelt]

7

[terse pelican]

Because Youtube doesn't care.

7️⃣

[humble hedge]

7

[lapis tartan]

7️⃣

[fierce bison]

what's with the "7"?

[hard smelt]

must be new

[terse pelican]

People come in and claim Thor is viewbotting, He tells em no, And says 7. Chat explodes with 7's to disprove them.

and, It's how many braincells the goblins has

[fierce bison]

ah, good one

and yeah i'm new lol

[rough maple]

Unbelievable, Google can't make a search function.

[opaque raven]

Sometimes during stream we've seen cases of people saying that Thor inflates the view number with bots or something similar. Or phrases like "this chat is too slow for 5k people, very sus lol"
So in a way to prove the veracity of it Thor asks chat to write 7, to show we indeed have a number of real viewers

[terse pelican]

It's more that they can't monetize it, So why put effort in?

[fierce bison]

hold on is this channel shown on stream? xD

[opaque raven]

No no

[terse pelican]

Nah

[opaque raven]

But Thor takes a look from time to time

[fierce bison]

ah lol ok

[hasty grail]

think of this as a lounge where people can chill out to talk about stream related content

[ionic sleet]

Those 7 braincells came from a Genius Goblin Lord that managed to find a way to turn his brain into a hivemind. 7 is enough

[hasty grail]

and where Thor some times pops in

which also means we get onto some very weird topics

[jolly sky]

7 is also a known Twitch meme, been a thing for ages

It's not Pirate Software specific

[opaque raven]

Genius Goblins also known as

[fierce bison]

huh, yeah I'm not a regular twitch viewer never heard of that meme

[ionic sleet]

Thor is the administrator of the Goblin Hivemind project that helped the goblin lord. Kronos keeps the hivemind in the stasis tank

[hard smelt]

:tf:

[rough maple]

Man, I can't wait for the next big drama for people to focus on and be milked by YouTube channels.

At least they'll stop with this. The stuff they keep coming up with is seriously ridiculous by now.

[hasty grail]

ditto

[winged knoll]

hmm i thought 1 and 2 is more popular

cuz dougdoug

then -1

then 7

[flat moat]

o7 salute

[winged knoll]

What is there's a reverse drama

where youtuber make video about sloptubers

[rough maple]

Not emotionally charged enough. Will be ignored.

[lapis tartan]

Wasn't 7 abused in TTS because it's a number with 2 vowels? To make annoyingly long TTS spam?

[winged knoll]

youtube do a funny plz

[flat moat]

If there's a reverse drama, there won't be any apologies made to those insulted, given death threats etc

[winged knoll]

imo the tsk tsk sound that is like a printer is funnier

or ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[hard smelt]

rad wee

[jolly sky]

IIRC 7 has been a thing since way before either of those

Before DougDoug etc

[winged knoll]

my streaming lore is slow then

[flint sinew]

cant believe dan wont see the messages /s

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-whar-erm-whar-confused-cat-huh-what-gif-4052880542927116908

[gloomy forge]

I know a bit of twitchlore. 7 was sort of a random meme but a bunch of forsenbajs who also watch XQC used the tts to tilt him whenever he was concentrating. because "seven" takes longer to say, the tts put all numbers together to say "seven hundred seventy seven octillion seven hundred seventy seven septillion seven..." until the number was spoken out. that was during the time when jump king was really big on twitch.

[earnest cove]

Man chat and twitter today in general is such an extra dose of moron it's impressive

[flint sinew]

[harsh viper]

Is that something else than aoe yes/no?

[winged knoll]

when chat randomly spam 1 it's fun

[flat stratus]

is there just a ban on certain keywords? I asked "did anyone see coding jesus new video? he claims that the lighting system in heartbound is extremely slow, but the game runs fine. what's the difference between what he showed and what's in the current game?" and got banned?

[harsh viper]

You prolly hit several, yes

[ionic sleet]

yes there is

[harsh viper]

Huh, am I getting old

[jolly sky]

I do love it when 777777 spam gets so long that the TTS starts to get drunk and slow, and then speeds up again lmao

[gentle mortar]

it's autoban, cause people were doing so much it got irritating

[ionic sleet]

also Thor has shown off how he did the lighting in heartbound already. someone here will surely link the video

[earnest cove]

Man that one person in chat constantly throwing a tantrum because he's not actively coding today.

[harsh viper]

The answer is it's a tiny game with tiny sprites, and it doesn't matter in this particular case.

[gloomy forge]

Yeah me too its peak tilting content. it makes it even more difficult for the streamer to block out that noise while they concentrate

[edgy oar]

Even if Thor was coding that same person would probably be saying how terrible it is.

[hasty grail]

also most of heartbound was written in an older version of Gamemaker which is not as nice as new

[jolly sky]

A shitload of people have been using those words as disingenuous "gotchas" as some form of "proof of his bad code" etc etc, sadly you got caught up in the nonsense. When the Unban request comes through, state your case, and if you're polite and your chat history doesn't show anything else, you should be good

[hasty grail]

also

!fridge

[dapper raven]

The Legends were true! https://youtu.be/ZhRkxUDadUA

[serene valley]

Can't win with insane hate

Either you're not doing enough or not doing it well enough

[hasty grail]

the fridge shows that heartbound is written good enough

[jolly sky]

And if your machine can't run the game at 60fps, you have far worse problems

[gloomy forge]

game maker is so lightweight that the only bottleneck is the engine itself.

[harsh viper]

Good enough for this specific application, yes

[earnest cove]

I just have to wonder what's wrong with their life to be that mentally unsound

[flint sinew]

[flat moat]

Most mid 2000s rigs can run HB without issue

[flat stratus]

whelp, that sucks. been fun. see you guys when i get unbanned.

[jolly sky]

Oh easy

[flat moat]

I think a pentium duo can at least

[jolly sky]

Sorry man, just something to keep in mind going forward with the current nonsense

[serene valley]

If your computer is from before 2000 I think you have worse things to worry about than being able to run heartbound

[astral crypt]

ya it's a bot thing. You put in an unban request ya?

[flat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-prehistorical-historic-historical-old-gif-8298093508311983078

[serene valley]

Yea like dinosaurs stomping on you

[jolly sky]

If there was anyone actually offering criticism, or a "Hey, why do you do it this way so I can understand?" from a sensible and good faith place, then there would be no problems on Thors end. However, that has not been the case for every single "Code Review" video I've seen.

Just slop drama raking in the drama $$$$$

[astral crypt]

Found it @flat stratus Unbanned. Sorry. It's wild out today

[flat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-marvel-meme-what-heroes-do-gif-14703930

[serene valley]

Now don't immediately follow up with another automodded question

Cuz that would be dumb

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-toothbrush-cute-wet-wet-ferret-gif-10832465506904500928

[astral crypt]

@harsh viper you have an excellent point. The "f" word is gettin you

[gloomy forge]

Man Noita is such a fantastic time.

[swift gulch]

It just gets so incredibly dumb once you know how to break the system

(Dumb in a positive way)

[gloomy forge]

yeah absolutely true, its intentionally designed this way. the scaling is so satisfying.

[swift gulch]

There are roguelikes where they try to keep it a balanced experience from beginning to end of a run and have the player at a reasonable power scale to the stuff they're facing
And then there are roguelikes that double-dog-dare you to break them to pieces, and often require that for completion
Noita is very much the latter

(Risk of Rain 2 is another)

[strange owl]

Noita is a great time, just too bad the vibe is a bit off due to the circumstances.

[swift gulch]

Ye

Not much can be done about that

[strange owl]

Not more than is already done at least.

[hasty grail]

the vibe is good enough for the chaos of Noita

[strange owl]

Except possibly giving Greggs to the mods.

[hasty grail]

instead of giving Greggs to the mods, give Gregtech Modpack to Thor

[jolly sky]

Lmao I started a Dance train

[exotic forge]

That's a great chat

[soft vector]

Good grief already close to 800 bans

[gloomy forge]

Not as bad as yesterday though.

[vocal crystal]

example?

[lyric venture]

He takes criticism just fine. Just because someone says "I believe you to be wrong" doesn't mean they have to agree to it.

[soft vector]

He does take days off, and it doesn't go away

[vocal crystal]

i think hes managing quite well

[lyric venture]

Again, example?

[soft vector]

You haven't been listening because he has said that

[lyric venture]

What has he said that is objectively wrong?

[jolly sky]

Shame that all your ideas of him are coming from other sources rather than the man himself 🤷‍♂️

[lyric venture]

And yes there are times he has said he was wrong in things. But of course that doesn't make it into Youtube clips as its less clickbaity

[river cargo]

get out troll 🙂

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-dungeon-harrypotter-gif-5157432

[summer night]

yay Khronos unban bingo 🙂

[river cargo]

also he apologised multiple times in his february video "anything for content"

[jolly sky]

I would defend anyone who is having lies being told about them.

[hasty grail]

at least come up with better material

[lapis tartan]

Shh, don't tell the others, but I don't agree with everything Thor says or does. I'm mostly here to be silly.

[vocal crystal]

nah I just find it odd you are on a less than 1 year old account and joined here today... objectively speaking

[river cargo]

apologies for heartbound delay, apologies for being an ass in ashes of creation, apologies for taking credit from someone else etc.

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/help-gif-7380459

[hasty grail]

hi Starr

[lyric venture]

Im 43 and never in the history of me being on the internet have I ever felt compelled to go to a discord or community that I disagree with JUST To say I disagree. Thats so wild to me that so many people do that.

[gloomy forge]

3 people politely asking him to elaborate. Responds it with "cult". jesus.

[hasty grail]

hows your day going

[tribal canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-mario-yoshis-island-super-smash-brother-super-smash-brother-n64-gif-21681448

[vocal crystal]

not even hard to politely reply lol

[soft vector]

It's unhinged

[lapis tartan]

Came in here with no plan B.

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/lowtiergod-meme-lowtiergod-mods-moderators-gif-6196590610942002814

[jolly sky]

I literally cannot even imagine doing that

[soft vector]

There's something called Block, Don't like Thor, fine, Block him and move on with your life

[hasty grail]

anyways

i hope everyone here has a good day

[jolly sky]

You too!

[jolly sky]

One simple trick that rage baiters hate!

[quartz sonnet]

“If you don’t agree with me, you’re in a cult!1!” If I had a nickel for every time I saw that, I could help fund another Ferret rescue

[vocal crystal]

they must all meet up on certain days, now thats a cult

[hasty grail]

they need to come up with better material

[soft vector]

They don't really have much so they grasp at straws

[vocal crystal]

makes statement, refuses to elaborate

[gloomy forge]

100% I feel that a lot of people already have been in an echo chamber if they react like that. you guys weren't even that rude or too cynical or anything that can be misconstrued into hostility or defensiveness .

[lapis tartan]

They really don't have many options beyond what we've seen though...

[hasty grail]

thats what i mean

[jolly sky]

Straws made of paper, and like paper it goes see through when it gets exposed to grease

[soft vector]

I'm not looking forward to thursday

[outer cobalt]

Pure unadulterated evil

[soft vector]

You know they are going to try to Ruin his Birthday

[lapis tartan]

True, but we'll be there too.

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-get-any-ideas-samus-paulicelli-66samus-dont-even-think-about-it-dont-start-thinking-the-wrong-thing-gif-10956394909509553602

[lyric venture]

I think they are used to saying whatever unhinged comment they want in other communities and never getting called out and are shocked when they do get called out.

[hasty grail]

when is THor's birthday?

is it today?

[indigo wadi]

GUYS, THE SKY IS BLUE!!!

[hasty grail]

[vocal crystal]

idk bout evil every time, but definitely arrogant

[lyric venture]

Thursday

[outer cobalt]

Youll be shocked at the stuff they say elsewhere kek

[outer cobalt]

I meant paper straws

[vocal crystal]

oh lmao

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-grim-the-grim-adventures-of-billy-and-mandy-sinister-laughing-menacing-smile-gif-5542966749921642938

[outer cobalt]

Iirc there are incinerators that can burn plastic at such high temperatures that they degrade into usual stuff

so now ig its more of a culture issue than “plastics cannot be degraded”

[lapis tartan]

What an echo chamber will do to ya.

[vocal crystal]

I do not believe that is an overall good idea, coming from a bio-chem standpoint

[terse pelican]

Imagine a discord, where you HAVE To have a different opinion from people, Or you get banned

If you state an opinion, that someone else had, BAN.

[lapis tartan]

I think that's a dumb idea.

[terse pelican]

It's so dumb, It's funny

[lapis tartan]

It might just work...

[gloomy forge]

that actually is an amazing idea of a multiplayer social experience game, or a card game with multiple rounds.

[harsh viper]

thank you for the info 🤣 I removed those messages in shame so I don't remember the exact wording anymore, but it doesn't matter :D.. I think we all already know that here anyway...

[outer cobalt]

well you just have to deal with the residue gas, no?

[gloomy forge]

100 players connect, they all get a the same claim and you have to write something about it. give an opinion about it. if two or more say something that go along with the opinion they lose

[lapis tartan]

It is human nature to creep into as many possible social routes like a fungus. So a social setting that forces people to spread out in different opinions has some odd/fun potential.

[wind hare]

wait so what do the "Spicy Ducks" do? He ran away too fast

[soft vector]

The other is that they seem to think calling Thor Jason is offensive

[vocal crystal]

most if not all reactions involving thermoplastic polymers are quite bad and cant do anything with the products besides get cancer lol

[outer cobalt]

I mean at some point its all going to be co2 if the temps are high enough

[earnest cove]

One o f those people kept saying "the insults are tame". i told them to go into real life, knock on their neighbour's door, and say those exact same words to their neighbour. The response I got was "grow a thicker skin moron" lol

(don't go do that in real life you'll get bonked)

[lapis tartan]

When a group gathers, a fringe few tend to start pushing things to further and further extremes to stand out. I saw in real time in the Youtube comments, people rationalizing how calling Thor Jason was some sorta super gotcha moment.

[terse pelican]

The internet protects people and allows them to act like absolute douchés

[earnest cove]

they insist thor is not his real name and he hates the name 'jason' which is... no he doesn't hate the name jason either

[vocal crystal]

not quite

[azure glen]

Dan's train

[terse pelican]

I personally don't find my first name all that great, But eh, Don't care much about it at this point

[soft vector]

Yeah, it's stupid

If I had a cool middle name, i know i would use it

[vocal crystal]

people are free to go by any name they wish, its why on federal forms or in court houses there are pseudonym sections

[lapis tartan]

You can compare the behavior to children giggling over a simple train of thought being more impressive than it is as they keep adding random disconnected reasoning to it.

[vocal crystal]

look at all the writers that go by pen names

[terse pelican]

pseudonym yeah

[lyric venture]

And its not like its weird that people use their middle names?

[vocal crystal]

one of my best friends goes by his middle name

[terse pelican]

Reasonably common for it to be a non-issue, Unless you're a troll

[soft vector]

It's more of the making a character they think represents Thor and then assuming he used Thor out of arrogance

[lyric venture]

I get it, Thor's a unique middle name but I find it very weird the things people latch onto. The fact that the WoW drama from 7 months ago is still getting like 30%+ of the bans is wild to me. Sometimes it makes me weep for humanity.

[lapis tartan]

It's not weird, some people even go by their first 2 initials or their first and last name initials for JT or CJ and so on.

[soft vector]

And some people don't use their Name at all and go by their Twitch Username...

[lyric venture]

Or Eminem which is must M&M which is his initials. Pepole can do what they want with their names.

[earnest cove]

sometimes i am curious of how fast they get speedrun of getting the cops called at them or get punched by someone if they behaved in real life how they behaved over thor

[soft vector]

The Horror

[lyric venture]

I have used the nickname Gizmo for decades, to the point that I have several friends who refer to me as Giz/Gizmo vs my real name.

[terse pelican]

99% Of the people wouldn't act this way in real life, Cause they KNOW they'll get in big trouble

[lyric venture]

On a side note

Khronos' kitty is cute ;p

[earnest cove]

i saw one that DID behave like that and wow she got security piled on her instantly. It was hilarious. Happened in wallmart.

[vocal crystal]

people believe that the thin veil of enigma the internet provides makes them immune from consequences

[earnest cove]

that person also trashed the store

[lapis tartan]

Lets face it, Thor is a cool middle name and he has Hair that make moms curse. There are going to be people who want to tear him down just for existing.
(He also makes fun games and happily shares free advice and random facts he's thinks are neat.)

[terse pelican]

Sounds like Sovreign citizen behaviour

[muted robin]

I wonder if they were a classic wow player

[earnest cove]

yeah i think people were calling her soverign citizen too kekkers

there were a few other incidents where they tried to behave like the internet but in real life. the consequences come crashing very often

some of them tho didn't crash fast enough. people just ignored them weirdly and walk away. Though lately people have been having enough crap and resorted to punching. Not a good precedent since it means innocent people could get hurt

[gloomy forge]

I wanted to say that this is not because they don't know that the insults are tame or not. They know, they just downplay it because they hate on Thor. A lot of people try to justify it by whatever means because not rationalizing it means that the hate may actually become a net negative for everyone.

"Why do you hate on this guy so much, you spend 8 hours a day writing means things at him."
"But he is a narcissist...on the internet! THIS will show him how wrong he is. Look!"
"Alright, alright, but don't forget that you have to go to bed at 10 o' clock or else you're grounded again. And don't forget your homework."

[hasty grail]

i normally hit people with the "can you defend SWATTING people" and that does get a few people to shut up or they double down

my final option is to ask if they own an airfryer

[wet coral]

Another topic as the question gets missed in chat and Noita number spam also makes chat fly. Anyone here know when the Blue Prince playtrough video gets made/released or even is in the making? The VODs that are up on Youtube misses alot cause of youtube shenanigans.

[opaque raven]

I care very little about the drama part but can someone explain to me the WoW thing?

[hasty grail]

uhhhh might still be in progress for the final cut

[hasty grail]

tldr: hardcore raid run went bad

[earnest cove]

essentially permadeath server and something went wrong in a fight that cuased people to permadeath ingame

[hasty grail]

if someone says RUN you RUN until you reset and NOT cancel the call

[swift gulch]

To which one of the other players flamed him for following the raid leader's call to run

[hasty grail]

it was a bad play across everyone

[terse pelican]

Team cohesion was at an all time low due to a run before going bad aswell, so it was already a bit of a icky situation

[vocal crystal]

we still harping on this?

[opaque raven]

Ok, sounds reasonable

[earnest cove]

someone asked

[hasty grail]

Radio wanted to know the story of it

[earnest cove]

so we're giving a summary

[terse pelican]

no no, Someone asked about the TLDR

[opaque raven]

Ye, I wanted the story but without the drama

[hasty grail]

yes you can find detailed vids on it on the 'tube

[earnest cove]

in the midst of chaos they decided to blame the one person who knows the most about the game: Thor

[hasty grail]

or you can check out this cool poster for a new movie

[opaque raven]

Idk how WoW is but I suppose you have a macro and a micro voice/shot caller

[earnest cove]

In their logic, the person to knows most about the game is equals to god and can totally save their bad situation always /s

[hasty grail]

rule 0 of raiding, if someone says "reset" or "run" you do that until you are safe

[outer cobalt]

I still dont understand why the loudest got the most attention after all this time

[terse pelican]

Because he was loudest crybaby in the group and wouldn't let others talk

[earnest cove]

tribalism in the end

[opaque raven]

I mean, I would listen to the macro caller, only him

[hasty grail]

what if healer or tank shouting it as they fat finger'd their buttons

[opaque raven]

Micro caller should control the chaotic voices

[gloomy forge]

I disagree, but in this case it is justified to just run because it was hardcore and you don't wanna play hero. Thor should've communicated better but also so should've the raid leader. They didn't. It was destined to become a total failure.

[opaque raven]

I mean...in a perfect world and etc

[earnest cove]

A lot of believe that Thor had the ability to save everyone like god if only he did XYZ but man is just a man not an actual god.

[hasty grail]

another view is to chalk it up to not setting some ground rules if its a new crew

[earnest cove]

That's why i thought the wow drama was the pettiest crap of all time

[opaque raven]

Oh, I strongly assumed they were a static raid team