streamchat

[winged knoll]

I didn’t agree with him at the start until people start dog piling on him

[brazen drift]

more people need to be like that one guy in thors chat who backed down when showed evidence that he himself didnt actuall watch any of his creators content

[muted robin]

Part of criticism is ethos and your "criticism" isn't going to be well received if you come off on someone capitalizing on drama and an acceptable target yknow? I think even a person with genuinely good intentions would have issues not stepping on any toes in this scenario

[bronze parcel]

There's really no reason to go into someone else's home and crap on the floor (my metaphor for the people who come in acting in bad faith).

[warm trench]

In my experience, when criticism is given, any action other than laying down and exposing the belly would be considered defensive, reluctant, not a team player, and ends up with can't take criticism judgement.

[brazen drift]

"no he didn't do that"
[proof he did]
"i retract my statement"

[tight bramble]

I was there, Gandalf

[indigo wadi]

Ceiling is funnier

[warm trench]

It's like society is just lord of the flies.

[frozen sonnet]

10/10 reference

[jolly sky]

What's also insane reading some of the Livestream chat today is they expect Thor to somehow know what Youtube "code review" is coming from good faith, and to answer those ones.

Like....are they expecting Thor to trawl through every single video going over his code to review to determine which is good faith or not?

[brazen drift]

like no diss to that guy he had to admit to 5000+ people that he got humbled real bad that takes some courage

[winged knoll]

The world should have more people like him

[indigo wadi]

It all ties back to tribalism

[tight bramble]

3000 year old reference you could say? 😀

[indigo wadi]

Which guy?

[brazen drift]

but it also called out how hard people probably dont even actually watch videos all the way through

[frozen sonnet]

Bahahahaha yes!!!

[brazen drift]

i dont remember his username but he was defending the guy who got his own kid to call thor nasty names saying that it wasn't him and he knew the guy who did it. it was the guy he was defending.

[flat root]

Is there a clip of this event being talked about?

[jolly sky]

Thor, talking about how he talked shit about Ross in the beginning and apologising for his actions. (Oh I misunderstood, but that too)

[earnest cove]

Somebody who hates thor now claims to be a fan of him for 5 years. Pressing X to doubt it's real story

[late bane]

What i don't understand here and maybe yall can explain is what are they angry about
He didn't play the game the way I would, he didn't agree to my opinion, he does coding differently then me

Ok? Annnnd?

[indigo wadi]

Quinn, gross (not the guy defending Quinn. Quinn is trash)

[wispy plover]

No you're not insane. We are all about on that same page.

[distant rapids]

You see, you're a well adjusted human who can disagree with someone without thinking they're h*tler, that's the difference

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/gimli-yep-lotr-gif-7400624

[indigo wadi]

If the vod is up from today ya

[jolly sky]

It is not

[earnest cove]

For some darn reason I've noticed that over the past 10 years people want everyone they're interested to only do what they approve

[flat root]

They're angry because they're angry.
At some point, it never is about the actual reasons for the hatred, those can be resolved but then replaced by any other stupid reason. They just want to feel involved in their new community, feel as if they're attacking 'the evil'

[indigo wadi]

Thought as much

[brazen drift]

im not into code or programming so half the people that i hear about are completely out of my radar so i dont remember any names lmao

especially not from people who capitalize on drama content

[bronze parcel]

Speaking as someone who actually works in software, I think the "code reviews" are rather petty. They do highlight "bad practices" and perhaps undermine the authoritative way Thor presents himself, it's really not that big of a deal. Given the nature and scope of Heartbound in particular, the code is more than adequate. It's not really something I would give someone bad marks on as a hiring manager.

[wispy plover]

They're only angry because they're mad.

[indigo wadi]

I'd love to know who was defending Quinn initially

[brazen drift]

yeah i aboslutely dont remember. was a couple of letters long and my brain doesnt retain information like that

[earnest cove]

i only remember that poor girl 😦

[jolly sky]

It was a rando in chat, lost to the mists of time. But either way Thor brought up the exact clip that the user was saying "didn't happen", and from what has been said, the rando admitted he was wrong about that.

[distant rapids]

Yeah i can respect the dude when he saw he was wrong. No beef with that random

[late bane]

Watched lor for the 1st time a week ago and its pretty good

[frozen sonnet]

Lord of the rings extended cut is perfect

[muted robin]

unironic gigachad behavior

[flat root]

Some of the anger over Thor's Heartbound progress is also nonsensical at times.

"It shouldn't take this long, you can beat the current game in 3 hours!!"
You can also beat any Touhou game in 30 minutes, and each game takes 2 years to make. Judging it on the basis of how long a singular best case run can take is dumb if that's not what the game is designed for.

[warm trench]

Well, Quinn reacted to someone live recording Thor in his own stream and Quin said "yes, I did" when it got to the point using his daughter - if I rememeber correctly. So even more proof, quinn has bad ~~taste ~~ judgement.

[earnest cove]

by that logic, reading one piece should take them 20 years

[indigo wadi]

Ah okay. I was there for that just missed the name

[thick ledge]

This, why would he over engineer the shit out of a game that doesn't do complex calculations

[wispy plover]

I think the stuff with Quinn today just further presented the issue that has been going on. Which is a complete loss of basic decency and humanity.

[late bane]

Pretty sure a 60$ call of duty had a smaller story mode than heartbound too

[frozen sonnet]

You can flip through my sketchbook in 10 minutes when it took me 3-4 months to draw, people don’t make sense to me LOL

[thick ledge]

If It was like a jrpg with alot of math and stuff, maybe

[tight bramble]

The extended editions are the only correct answer. 12 hours of your life you will wish had never ended ❤️

[flat root]

TO be fair, that conclusion about One Piece is correct. /j

[indigo wadi]

No, Quinn is just a trash person and now a trash "parent"

[distant rapids]

I swear, people think you can make a game in a year besides maybe a small arcade game. I have a feeling a lot of them would be humbled if they learned how to make a character JUMP in godot (which is easy by videogame engine standards)

[brazen drift]

Internet and Industry have made people forget how long it Actually takes to get things done.

[late bane]

If they are on prime then maybe, rather stream them and make a thing of it

[jolly sky]

And the whole point of the game is to replay it, and see where your different choices lead and how characters react, figuring out more of their story as you go along

It's not a "one and done" game

[bronze parcel]

Probably not at all farfetched to say Heartbound criticisms have nothing to do with Heartbound.

[earnest cove]

they sure wish an AI can dream up their ideal fiction in 5 seconds /j

[thick ledge]

You shouldn't get gettign your child involved in mocking someone online, what nonsense

Indefensible

[late bane]

Yeah, thats fng creepy

[earnest cove]

that poor girl..........

[indigo wadi]

100%

[brazen drift]

Since its a constant stream of content and media the second that it takes longer than expected they get mad that their instant gratification isnt giving them serotonin. Not that half these people knew about heartbound until someone made a video on it

[muted robin]

since the vod is deleted has someone who isn't a drama slop farmer clipped that, i wasn't there for that part of the stream

[flat root]

Exactly. The point is the depth, not the length. Same like with Touhou.

Yes, you can finish Touhou in 30 minutes; you're just not likely to do so, and it'll require hours and hours of tries. The intention of these games is to play them repeatedly, over and over again, exploring them and learning them and understanding them.

[jolly sky]

The people saying "It's just a joke" had my eyes rolling so hard that I was afraid they'd pop straight out of my skull.

[thick ledge]

Keep kids out of it, they're not old enough to have opinions about it, blurring thier face just shows he knows it's not appropriate and figured that was enough

[indigo wadi]

Like Quinn was a low-tier content creator, but this is such a new low

[wispy plover]

Yeah. Using your kid for insults and cheap clicks. ✅

[tight bramble]

Yeah i think theyre on hbo max right now.

[distant rapids]

You shouldn't be using your children for content purposes, period... but i see a lot of channels doing it. My only brownie point to him is at least he blurred her face. But omg keep your kids out of youtube unless ita privated/blurred, did we forget everything about internet safety

[earnest cove]

from her voice alone, she can't be any older than 5 years old.

[late bane]

Im 17 and this is hilarious vibes

Meanwhile adults are going wtf dude lol

[indigo wadi]

Just shows how warped Quinns brain is

[brazen drift]

Nobody should be using their children for Videos. I know theres a shorts creator named mamacusses who waited until her oldest daughter was at least 13 and then asked her if she wanted to start doing videos with her. every other video is of Mama doing impressions of her children

[late bane]

The content monkey jacked his intelligence

[indigo wadi]

I'm a father and I would NEVER use my child in such a manner

[bronze parcel]

I have an "icky" feeling about parents/guardians showing off their children to the whole world before they can even consent to it themselves. But a lot of "good" people are "guilty" of this too so meh.

[earnest cove]

about the kid? Most likely because the adults know how this will damage the child in the long run

[warm trench]

I want to say due to being upside down, but darn it, too many upside down friends to say that 😛 @indigo wadi

[jolly sky]

In my opinion all those "Family Youtubers" should be entirely yeeted off the platform. If they're not old enough to have an account (and maybe that age should be raised) then you don't get to use them in your videos

[brazen drift]

Ngl I also have an ick feeling about any content creator who Lives at Home and jokes "yeah i havent seen my kid in a month"

[indigo wadi]

I've only shown off my son cause his smile melts hearts

And only been like twice

[wispy plover]

Quite honestly, if you are a content creator, and you have kids, don't sit there and use your kids as content.

[indigo wadi]

New Zealand doesn't exist, maybe that's why

[thick ledge]

That's fine, your not using your kid in skits

As a prop

[late bane]

Wasn't that guy also happy not being apart of their lives

[bronze parcel]

Normally, think if it was your wife/husband/significant other. You'd normally ask them if it's okay, because they might not be okay with being exposed on camera to an unfamiliar audience. But parents/guardians don't really think twice about their kids, that's all. Not saying this makes them bad people, there's just a different mentality when it comes to this.

[tight bramble]

Almost every "family vlog" type channel I've seen has crashed and burned because of the kids. They hate being the content, and the parents keep trying to get them to do more and more crazy shit for views. Or in the case of that one mom, just straight horrific abuse for views.

[jolly sky]

The amount of "Family Youtubers" where the kids have been part of abuse is startling and abhorrent

[late bane]

Daddy gone for 1month, YouTube means more to me then my own child

[earnest cove]

There's a big difference between a kid wanting to join the fun with the parent and the parent forcing the kid to perform

[indigo wadi]

My significant other is okay with it. I know where she stands.

[winter sierra]

family youtubers should not exist

children are not content

[jolly sky]

I agree entirely.

[thick ledge]

In better news

https://youtu.be/6U6X_94y13Y?si=eQDIbbJW2wf-fqMz

[bronze parcel]

Yeah, my point is that kids aren't able to give consent because well, they're kids.

[jolly sky]

"The Japes of wrath"

[tight bramble]

Said the same thing at the same time lol get outta my head!

[thick ledge]

How fan we call this land our own, when it's so rife with Kong flict

[indigo wadi]

I also have no intention or interest on being a family vlogger. I'm too private as it is.

[late bane]

I blocked family youtubers as well. Just another version of a drama streamer.

The idea of pictures of me being out in the void disgust me lol

[distant rapids]

For me, it's safety and the over zealous reach for content. Internet content is forever unless google nukes your wordpress site so don't show your children for... unsavories to see. And god forbid you get famous off them, I've seen freaks threaten/do terrible things because they see children as a target.

[thick ledge]

Your putting those kids in your online crossfire

[indigo wadi]

Kids have been in photos, shared with friends and family for a long time.

The idea that a kid having consent is weird since parents are the ones in control and make decisions for the child.

Entirely different if the child speaks up.

[thick ledge]

"Forgive me, Kong rade..."

[distant rapids]

Am adult can handle threats and cyberbulling. But what if those freaks start sending messages to your child? They're vulnerable. Protect them, don't use them to make money.

[indigo wadi]

My child ain't being online till he's 13+

[distant rapids]

Now there are exceptions. Education, private videos for friends and family, etc. But I'm speaking more in a general sense.

[bronze parcel]

Absolutely, it's just a bit different when you're talking about digitized recordings of children on the internet. It's a way different ballpark than sharing family photos with individuals.

[late bane]

I didn't get access till I was 17 lol

[earnest cove]

I don't see the problem if the child just has a hand on screen over a cutting board (face not shown) stealing a piece of sausage though

[late bane]

Didn't even have a computer till senior year of hs lol

[indigo wadi]

True.

I suppose I trust this community enough that I'm comfortable sharing for the most part.

[jolly sky]

Some/Most? of us are Millienials, and we've been a part of both worlds, Analogue and Digital. Pre, during, and "Post" Internet

[muted robin]

the reaction this prompted in my mind was from that yakuza househusband manga when the young guy goes "i've never smoked in my life"

[distant rapids]

I got access way before i should have, tbh. My parents were irresponsible. I won't be the same if i ever have a tyke running around.

[bronze parcel]

The more I think about it, the more I think I would definitely not put my child in front of a camera to a group of internet strangers unless they absolutely grasped what what meant.

[wispy plover]

I almost spat my drink out at "Is it.. Diddaronamus?"

[indigo wadi]

100% me

[thick ledge]

Lmfao

[winter sierra]

sharing your kids pictures is most of the time fine. although, if the kid starts to not want those photos take them down. the amount of times ive told me grandma to not post facebook photos from when i was little is aggravating

[indigo wadi]

100% fair in that case

[late bane]

What Netflix did to this ip still saddens me

[earnest cove]

same

[muted robin]

netflix

[bronze parcel]

Yeah, it's also fairly normal too and all in all it's almost always totally harmless. Plenty of big streamers do it too, many of whom I like a lot. I don't think you nor they are bad, to be clear.

[winter sierra]

yeah around 8th grade id argue is the best time, because thats when most kids realize the consequences of their actions stuff

[indigo wadi]

Even then....

[earnest cove]

I am okay if the child is not forced to perform, and having a cartoon drawing representing them instead of being on real life camera

like PNG drawings, radio based

[indigo wadi]

Child vtuber

[toxic rampart]

[late bane]

I just want more tabbes content

[thick ledge]

It's different for them to incidentally appear, then to plan a skit around having them say something mean about a guy you are making fun of professionally online

[toxic rampart]

Based Rude jack poster spotted.

[winter sierra]

depends on the kid tbh

[earnest cove]

yeah child vtubers that come and go whenever they want

to them it's activity with parents

[thick ledge]

Rude jack is peak

[earnest cove]

See training and planning the child to mock someone else, THAT is the big problem

[distant rapids]

Well, the way i think about it is this: you can't really take exposing your kids back. IMAGINE if thor had a kid. Goodness gracious, so many of these unhinged... people.... would be trying to target them, i guarantee it. So I'm glad thor doesn't have a kid, and if i ever aqcuire a womb nugget, you bet i wouldn't post them online without making sure the posts are privated or blurred

[late bane]

[indigo wadi]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Thor took tomorrow off

[thick ledge]

D-don't call kids womb nuggets lmao

[late bane]

Today started so well but you could hear his voice change tone as it went

[late bane]

Sending that to my sisters

[indigo wadi]

Call em parasites

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-luigi-mario-the-brothers-mario-gif-886005109278840426

[jolly sky]

Honestly? If had a kid that was actually interesting in doing stuff like making videos on the Internet, I would dedicate all of my free time to making a Local only "Youtube like website" with a functioning comment section (that only I could post on, and perhaps a partner) where I could make fake account and post under fake names, and make it all a learning and teaching experience for them.

[indigo wadi]

My other half laughed at womb nugget

[thick ledge]

I'd let them, but I'd look over what they made first

[distant rapids]

I'm glad its fully affenctionate, i would totally call mine a stinky little bugger and then regret my life choices when its first word would be bugger

[toxic rampart]

Womb nugget is a new one for sure.
I always used Crotch Critter but that's entering the lexicon lmao

[earnest cove]

My parents lived as total free range children with all the dangers that come with it. They said it's amazing that none of them got seriously hurt.

[late bane]

Anyway I'm out, guys should find something fun to fill this chat with, last week's have been all dooooom

[jolly sky]

Of course, I would make a review system on the side, give them reasons why something they would choose to upload is good, or bad

[thick ledge]

is this new

[jolly sky]

Yes lmao

It's "Sealioning"

[earnest cove]

??? sealioning?

[toxic rampart]

Oh that's good

[subtle gate]

the amount of time I've spent around smokers makes up for the fact that I've never smoked in my life

[jolly sky]

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter. - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

[wispy plover]

I wondered about that. I went to bed, and when I woke up, I saw it in stream chat.

[distant rapids]

Oh dang. I had no idea this was a phrase.

[earnest cove]

THAT! That described a LOT of arguments

[jolly sky]

Yea take a read, its going to connect a lot of dots

[ocean agate]

....oh...my...god

[earnest cove]

that's literally today's chat

[ocean agate]

i hate it....thank you

[frozen sonnet]

[wispy plover]

I knew there had to be a term for it. I just didn't know what it was.

[earnest cove]

All these parenting talk does make me wonder if my parents got any parenting growing up 😅 My grandparents were too busy working to do much of anything. My aunt raised my mom, and there was a time my mom walked back home alone from school in the evening/night (1 hour walk) because she missed the bus. Nobody came looking for her 😦

[muted robin]

the emoji name well played thor/mods

[jolly sky]

PROOOOF! PROOOOOOOOOOF etc

[toxic rampart]

We do a little counter trolling.

[late bane]

A lot of them seem addicted to react content like it is a serotonin boost. "Did you react to so and so" "So and so said something did you react" etc.

[distant rapids]

Is the sealion part of the exclusive emotes?

[bronze parcel]

Speaking of sealioning, this is also a great debate resource https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

[jolly sky]

Something worthwhile to have in your arsenal

[wispy plover]

Yea god I hate that crap. "Duhhh DiiD yOu SeE? What my fav youtuber John1903334 said about you!?"

[warm trench]

I want yarrSeaLion

[ocean agate]

i dont like react content, in the way its used between content creators. i want to see Thor react to a game trailer or something

[jolly sky]

I believe (and may be wrong) it's connected to the Dopamine system, and as such can make it very addictive

[earnest cove]

it goes back to "MY opinions matter and only mine!" mentality

[ocean agate]

speaking of, the guild wars 2 expansion trailer drops tomorrow!

[wispy plover]

Another that always gets me is "Any comments on the current drama?" Like what are you, a frickin reporter? Heck off!

[late bane]

Also I thought targeting other Youtubers was against TOS.

[warm trench]

And maybe a brain that looks like a squeezed sponge with wet drops shooting out leaving a tiny pea brain - yarrSerotonin

[winged knoll]

he doesn't stream on wednesday no

[late bane]

I mean a couple would be okay but like 14 or more videos in about 2 weeks

[jolly sky]

Oh shit, a new Max0r video

[ocean agate]

they call it critiquing. not attacking

[earnest cove]

add some social needs into it. Like if people agree with then, they feel better about themselves, so they want everyone to agree with them

[toxic rampart]

That is a good observation honestly.
It could very well be related that whole mild serotonin trickle addiction people get from social media in general and can't rip themselves away from. Shorts, tiktok etc etc etc etc

[indigo wadi]

Tomorrow is Tuesday...

[jolly sky]

Tying it back into Tribalism all over again

[indigo wadi]

POG

[winged knoll]

Oh it's Tuesday here already

i'm in Asia

[toxic rampart]

Same sort of low level garbage reward addiction.

[hazy storm]

I only watch react content if the reactor has a unique perspective beyond "oh that's cool" etc.

The ones i like now are Jonathan Ferguson, Cinema therapy and Reel History

[bronze parcel]

His next stream would be Tuesday morning, his time (assuming he doesn't cancel)

[indigo wadi]

Oooh new ShoeOnHead video

[hazy storm]

Legal Eagle used to do it but i like his new format better

[ocean agate]

6 hours

[earnest cove]

"Has it always been Tribalism?" "Always been"

[subtle gate]

Cinima Therapy is pretty cool

[toxic rampart]

This.
When it's like, actually informed or a professional in art or music or something. That stuff is great.
I love learning with their perspective and knowledge sharing while they are experiencing a thing.

[indigo wadi]

https://youtu.be/uFvMkCAzGuY?si=oKjmQc7wL9RNmXFw

40 min

[distant rapids]

Man, the only thing i really dont like about this discord is the locked emojis. I cant tell which ones are unavailable on mobile so it's just "click-nah that one doesnt work, not that one, nor that one-" :<

[indigo wadi]

Of adhd editing

[jolly sky]

Pretty much. As has been said by myself and others in this channel, that area of our brain is still there, and the invention of the Internet has only increased how many thousands of Tribes we now have access to, and it seems there are a lot of people that cannot handle it.

[subtle gate]

[indigo wadi]

Many whelps

[hazy storm]

Yeah its helped me grow personally. I don't know what my 2024 would have been like without it

[jolly sky]

It's all about understanding, all the way down from top to bottom, in almost every aspect of life, and living

And if you choose not to try to understand, and see other perspectives, then you're locking away an ability to grow, and locking away an aspect of humanity which is crucial

[wispy plover]

^^^^

[remote briar]

I feel as though the better criticism when it comes to Heartbound isn't the playtime (since short games can be good too obviously), but rather the development progress of e.g. animus

[earnest cove]

I feel like it's a part of our evolution that's backfiring on us at the moment

[bronze parcel]

Naturally, this means overcoming the urge to ignore opinions you disagree with, and actually delve into something from all angles.

[jolly sky]

It's technology that has evolved way, WAY past our brains. We've been in "Tribes, or villages" for the past 10's of thousands of years. And in less than 100, we've gone from that, to suddenly being able to experience almost all "Tribes and villages" all over the world

[earnest cove]

I think every wise figure in history spoke about "listen to the other side first" which........ even back in the day many people scoffed at the idea

it was a constant uphill battle of every faith and wise people and philosophers to get people to stop the tribalism dance

[bronze parcel]

Indeed. Basically, I can be pro-SKG without being anti-Thor.

No matter how much YouTube says otherwise :P

[hazy storm]

I used to see this a lot when i was training in martial arts. All the kids and noobs were bashing each others style and dick measuring about which was best, but the masters just hung out with each other like it was a family reunion

[ocean agate]

the main thing is to understand that if someone doesnt agree with you, does not make them your enemy

[earnest cove]

The masters achieved true enlightenment of Friendship

[bronze parcel]

Overcoming obstacles makes you stronger. Having opponents (not enemies) is good for refining your own argument and beliefs.

[earnest cove]

I struggled with this as a youth because my goodness i had bad examples in my life

[jolly sky]

I love philosophical hour when it comes about in this server

Genuinely

[earnest cove]

The good times

[toxic rampart]

Pretty much.
I like the idea of SKG, but can totally see down the road how it can be a monkeys paw situation.

I can also understand that Thor's initial, passionate reaction was maybe a bit much for some while saying "Yeah I get why he said that, I've been that dude many times in private when initially exposed to an idea"

The only people I have an issue with in this entire situation are... well... The Seals lol

[earnest cove]

Knowing enough about red tape and government shenanigans, I will be surprised if it didn't turn into a monkey's paw

[hazy storm]

Tbf we can only get this after all the trolls get booted

Like parents sending kids off to camp

[bronze parcel]

There has certainly been an influx of bad actors / trolls in here and on stream, which is definitely not cool.

[earnest cove]

I expect monkey paw of some kind even if it's just adding an extra label with no changes, unless proven otherwise really

[hazy storm]

There was one EU politician who made the news by publicly signing the petition. Good on him but i suspect he was being performative

[toxic rampart]

More than likely.

[earnest cove]

yeah i was trying to talk about it but the atmosphere got too hot. I belive he's romanian

[bronze parcel]

Nobody truly wants an initiative built upon the foundation of someone else's demise, IMO. Bad actors / trolls undermine the initiative in that way, and should be strongly rebuked.

[hazy storm]

The problem is that idealist movement can very easily get swamped/ taken over by aggressive people with an agenda

And the original goals are lost

[jolly sky]

And I even understand why Thor reacted in that way. It's like, if you were an Electrician, being presented a petition that wants to change Electrical safety, and it chooses to ignore the current Electrical safety laws that already exist.

If I was said Electrician, I would take one look at it and (in the moment) say "What the hell is this?" and laugh at their attempt.

[earnest cove]

that monkey paw just itching to curl man.

[hazy storm]

Lol

[jolly sky]

Anyway, lets uh, move on before we get bonked with a newspaper

[hazy storm]

Yes the hand of vecna

[earnest cove]

can we go back to philosophy

like uh, real masters unlocking the power of friendship while the little kiddos try to outflex each other

[warm trench]

You mean sophistry ;P

[hazy storm]

Well. Im currently writing an article promoting the merits of pole dancing studio software

Which is not something i was expecting to do this week

Or at all

[bronze parcel]

All of my philosophical teachings come from Panda Express fortune cookies.

[earnest cove]

no... not sophistry

[jolly sky]

Yes, and I'd like to think is that the masters realise that they can learn from each other. They'll all have different ideas of how to practice the art, or the way they move during a fight, the decisions they'll make, and if they all learn from each other then they all become better fighters

[toxic rampart]

Totally.
Like I said, I get it, I am that dude sometimes.
Passion and knowledge can make you say much harsher sometimes lmao

[earnest cove]

i think the petty ones eventually lag behind in isolation

so what we're left are the ones who're friends

[hazy storm]

The petty masters are the worst because they encourage the tribalism for the next generation

[jolly sky]

"Learn only from my teachings because I'm the best"

[earnest cove]

My friend, who practices martial arts, witnessed someone trying to provoke a shaolin master for clout. The master shoved his entire hand into that person's mouth, grabbed the tongue, and wiggled it a bit before letting the provoker go. Provoker got immensely terrified.

[hazy storm]

Double the tribalism because of a culture that promotes hyper masculinity and pride and you have Filipino martial arts

[earnest cove]

this ain't your ordinary masters. This one comes down the mountain only once a year to duel.

[muted robin]

bro really said

https://tenor.com/view/ayy-gtfo-outta-here-doggo-gif-20198009

[earnest cove]

yup!!! like that

[winged knoll]

Aboose

[hazy storm]

That reminds me of that moon landing denier who tried to harass Buzz Aldrin on the street with claims of faking it and Buzz clocked him on the jaw

[earnest cove]

Oh I think the medieval martial artist youtubers are slowly coming together into a collab because Sellswords and Bluminek (the guy i'm sure he's an elf archer) wanna meet up to learn from each other

[earnest cove]

Man he picked the wrong person to fight

[twilit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-aldrin-punches-moon-landing-conspiracy-theorist-gif-14729600

[hazy storm]

Yeahhhhh that's the one

[hazy storm]

That's gonna be a good time

[warm trench]

Buzz was there - He should have yelled out "Lunar Punch!!"

[twilit crystal]

HAHAH

[hazy storm]

MOONBLAST

[twilit crystal]

Aldrin used "Percussive Facts".. It's super effective.

[hazy storm]

although buzz wouldnt be fairy type. He'd be steel type so no STAB bonus

[warm trench]

Doctorate in Astronautics. Precision problem solving skills. Decisive execution of facts.

Buzz is 95, my grandma is 100, both still around.

[winged knoll]

yish, love both of their videos

The Stripper Elf Archer vs Longhair swordman

[ocean agate]

i had to do a double take.....and since i dont think the accounts are named that, i might actually know who you are talking about....

[winged knoll]

Bluminek, he does strip in some video + pole dancing

which is ... interesting

[ocean agate]

ive only seen whats on shorts havent seen the long form content

[winged knoll]

i was showing my gf a video about him doing some archery stuff, next video he's in undie

[ocean agate]

oh my

[winged knoll]

"Didn't know you were like that" -gf said

[ocean agate]

lol

[winged knoll]

[ocean agate]

best way to get someone to show you what they are really like...."so what kind of ads does [youtube, facebook, ect] give you?"

[subtle gate]

as though I was paying attention

[earnest cove]

people keep making jokes that Blum is a fantasy elf isekaied into our world as a human and he's just showing stuff he used to do in fantasyland, but rustier

[reef geyser]

Doesn't always work. My usage of social media and any site where I have an account is very spotty. Most of the time if I'm scrolling Amazon for example, I'm not signed in. Sometimes I am if I'm doing a but of scrolling for a specific purchase I'm about to make right then.

As such, the suggestions are not very accurate. I have been advertised both dickpills as well as women's monthlies products.

[torn panther]

Charlie really fd Thor and this community over big time

I am so mad after watching his video

So inflammatory so so inflammatory

Why did he prod the hornets nest like this?

[brisk sparrow]

ross was the start. but most of us have moved on because we are tired of it

[nova bough]

ahhhhhh kill the drama

kill it with fire

[torn panther]

Sorry guys

[nova bough]

here, have a cat

[torn panther]

Just venting

[wispy plover]

It's frustrating. We get it. We're just tired.

[torn panther]

🫂

[outer gust]

Brother what on earth was that picture @ocean agate

[hazy storm]

When i need to uplift my spirits i watch this guys shorts

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lJRzW_q-W9w

[ocean agate]

it self destructed......not sure what you mean

[outer gust]

you know better

[reef geyser]

🍞

[winged knoll]

🍞

Anddddd i ran out of bread quota for the day

is there a bread machine

[subtle gate]

when I want to uplift my spirits I listen to boring Christian music that's got some cool message 🤷‍♂️ otherwise I end up on the Final solution from Sabaton

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-one-piece-tom-jerry-tom-and-jerry-gif-761702970653076181

[subtle gate]

or Lifetime of war or The end of the war to end all wars or the price of a mile

[hasty grail]

ah, this appears to be a One Piece edit

close enough,

[indigo wadi]

I am back home for the evening.

[hazy storm]

Welcome back

[subtle gate]

now that I think about it Thor kind of lifts my spirits when he comes up with one of those tragedian animated pictures and goes "what's wrong chat I thought that's what you wanted"

[hazy storm]

Didn't thor do an interview with Coh and his crew a while back? What was their take on this PS hate wave? Did they throw thor under the bus?

I would investigate myself but i have my YT algorithm properly quarantined by now and i don't want to reopen pandoras box

[indigo wadi]

That interview happened and as far as i know, they've not said anything

They do not seem to be the type to get involved in such dramas

[late bane]

Coh said he misrepresented the movement, they would not say his name because of the hate train.

[indigo wadi]

eh, wouldn't say this is throwing Thor under the bus

[late bane]

Nope he did not

[indigo wadi]

and given I do watch Cohn stuff sometimes, nothing has come up regarding thor

[late bane]

Coh just encouraged people to look up info on the movement and make up their own mind. They kept it short and moved on because of the drama.

[hazy storm]

Disagreeing with thor is ok and actively avoiding drama is fine by me

I wish he would back Thor up but at this point my expectations are low

[late bane]

It was on their weekly podcast

[indigo wadi]

Best thing to do honestly

[tight bramble]

At this point in the hatemongering, with the initiative having reached the goal, there needs to be a movement to kill the vitriol. Like, "hey we reached our goal, that's effing enough already." By everyone who is actually involved. Massive moderation of their own audiences and socials, and a push to either stop the slop, or you are an active detriment to the cause. Actions speak louder than words.

[indigo wadi]

it's a wild fire now. it cannot be contained

[brisk sparrow]

ross had the chance

he didnt take it

[earnest spire]

they just think thor is against the entire initiative

which he is not

[late bane]

The drama farmers don't want to give up the cash they are making. They will milk it as long as they can.

[remote briar]

Cohh also made a joke calling an npc in a game Piratesoftware after the npc said smth egotisticial, but besides that i don't think he has said much

[late bane]

Thor be helping everyone even ones who don't deserve the $ but thats probably mean to say

[tight bramble]

It just makes me sad.....

[soft vector]

They mentioned there being drama around another Streamer, but didn't really go into details

[late bane]

Speaking of drama, did elmo get his Twitter back?

[indigo wadi]

That may have been a tongue-in-cheek thing

[late bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHLC3NoJgGk&list=PL-oTJHKXHicT61ztYmcNGKaKBf03aOUuN&index=2&t=5340s

[torn panther]

Hot dog this summer is hot as hell

[indigo wadi]

level headed take

[indigo wadi]

Yup

[ocean agate]

Esfand appears to be playing LoL and is stuck in Bronze......the jokes do write themselves.......

at least if i understand what hes talking about ( i could be wrong)

and his chat has not very much confidence he will win

[late bane]

I love this

[hasty grail]

just be careful in frying your weenies

[odd token]

exactly

[indigo wadi]

Esfand doesn't love himself confirmed

[late bane]

The bigger question is why does the Youtube algorithm promote hate content and React content using other peoples content.

[indigo wadi]

views, engagement,etc

[odd token]

the fuel that propels social media

[distant rapids]

Negative attention not only gets normal watching, but hate watching as well (which some of you have been feeding by clicking on these bait videos! )which makes them more revenue. The only way to win is not to play.

[late bane]

Seems like that could lead another Ad provider revolt. What if the Mikayla thing had resulted in mass protesting. Youtube is doing a dangerous balancing act.

[brisk sparrow]

i had to watch one that was posted today in my friend group to refute points made in it, them immediately removed from my watch history and "do not recommend"ed the channel

[odd token]

same

some video by these wannabe game devs looking at Thor's code

they dont realize he has intention behind ever decision

he's leaving breadcrumbs for us

[brisk sparrow]

mine was someone who made it while eating in a restaurant

[distant rapids]

Well, alright, honestly valid. Its just that if we all do that it makes them money, so ech. Ecccch.

[indigo wadi]

the market is a dirty business sometimes

[brisk sparrow]

anyway, time to mod helldivers

already have megumin explosions

[tight bramble]

The goalposts have a necessity to be moved. If they didnt, the order of the day would be to complain about the lack of movement.

[indigo wadi]

but are you modding in Thomas the Tank engine?

[brisk sparrow]

you should take a close look at my profile pic

[indigo wadi]

That's why I asked

[ocean agate]

Esfand Bronzed

[brisk sparrow]

unfortunately i dont really like any of the mods that have him.

this is kinda cool tho (gurren laggan cape)

[ocean agate]

gurren laggan thats a show i dont hear often anymore

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/tengen-toppa-gurren-lagann-gif-21972660

[exotic forge]

Disappointing behavior from Cohh

[indigo wadi]

I'd recommend watching the clip first before drawing a conclusion

[wispy plover]

It's not exactly the first time either. They did an episode of Dropped Frames a couple weeks ago, and they talked about the initiative for a moment. And while they didn't specifically name Thor, they did elude to it, and ItmeJP made a joke about roaching out.

[odd token]

Agreed

Thor is one of the most humble streamers out there

[earnest spire]

people just dont care if is funny is funny

[indigo wadi]

At least they aren't dogpiling

[odd token]

Literally everyone else will never admit they’re wrong

[outer cobalt]

It is unfortunate that i had to unsub from legendarygamer as well, but at least this event helped filter off people without basic logic

[odd token]

I unsubbed from like 50 channels

[indigo wadi]

who?

[odd token]

They all just jumped on the bandwagon

[silver vapor]

[odd token]

From my experience if everyone says I’m wrong. It’s not me that’s wrong, it’s them

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[odd token]

Exactly

[hasty grail]

baked, how baked are you?

[outer cobalt]

Ok maybe thats not the real name, i cant find their channel and i dont care lmao

[odd token]

Yes

[ocean agate]

some content creators have sense they just get blinded by those dollar signs and think they should cash in on the hate farm, but its so short sighted and disgusting that its going to hurt everyone who does it

[hasty grail]

alright, that explains a lot

[wispy plover]

Yeah. Completely poor taste in jokes, but they weren't pulling a JacksepticCritikal

[outer cobalt]

Ah its legendarydrops

[odd token]

I’m glad Thor hasn’t apologized for any of it

Never bend the knee

(Not that he has anything to apologize for)

[hasty grail]

yea... hes too far gone....
baked, go get some rest to sleep it off

[indigo wadi]

Jack didn't dogpile on Thor either

[ocean agate]

you shouldnt appologize for what you say. you can appologize for behavior....or how you say something, but once you try to take back what you say your words become hollow and without meaning if you think you can just take back somethign and make everything ok

[indigo wadi]

Jack didn't agree with Thor's opinion on the matter, and that was it

Charlie on the other hand though

[hasty grail]

there was a recent thing about Moist, he watched CoffeeZilla's vids on a recent "topic" and then didnt dig any deeper

that topic is political, you should know

[winter sierra]

uh oh

[hasty grail]

Coffee's alt Voidzilla has the vids in question for note

[winter sierra]

i cant lie i do like the watch charlies old videos because they are entertaining

[hasty grail]

Charlie is fine NORMALLY

but i do think at this point he reached a level of laziness that rivals most high school students

[winter sierra]

yeah hes much worse now

[subtle gate]

I have spoken words in error before it is not beyond a man to have hollow words and rethink them later

[outer cobalt]

Imagine being an adult

[indigo wadi]

Nah, this really shows that he doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time and he's been called out on that quite a few times.

Only reason why he's entertaining are his use of adjectives

[quartz sonnet]

Charlie's source was reddit. That's uh. Yeah lol.

[hasty grail]

let me grab someone else who is better than Moist for taking the english language and running it through a comedy sketch

[subtle gate]

I've been thinking of making a video to apologize for a few of them

[indigo wadi]

?

[hasty grail]

https://youtu.be/bscBYTMg4sE

[odd token]

Don’t do it

[hasty grail]

mind you, most of his vids are M rated and would be on par with the best of Robin WIlliams

[subtle gate]

but then again I have a whole slew of usernames and passwords to go and figure out

[odd token]

Apologizing is a sign of weakness and low IQ

[hasty grail]

Baked, go to bed

[odd token]

I’m sorry I said that

That was mean

[indigo wadi]

The troll finally appears

[hasty grail]

it sounds like the edible hit an hour ago and you are still not sure which way is up

[outer cobalt]

Im not sure, this is mild compared to the chaos in #general_chat

[subtle gate]

I had asked one lady streamer about their sleeping schedule and was banned cause that shit was creepy sounding

another discord I had hit on a girl after she admitted she was single ... again creepy sounding mods got me

[indigo wadi]

we've reached the weird hours of monday night

[odd token]

We vibe

[odd token]

Let’s see how deep this rabbit hole goes

[indigo wadi]

lets not

[winter sierra]

🤨 lets not get into that here

[subtle gate]

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/bubu-bonk-bubu-dudu-gif-8932107540415697346

[odd token]

Spoken like a man who alphabetizes his spice rack by emotional resonance

[wispy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[winged knoll]

Hmm you sound passive aggressive-ish kek

[wispy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/floreyonce-family-guy-gif-27610873

[indigo wadi]

what is this from/

[odd token]

More like aggressively passive… from time to time

[subtle gate]

that's why it should be a video on the youtube channel I haven't logged into in like 10 years

[winged knoll]

It's normal to criticize Thor as long as we are civil about it

[odd token]

Came for Thor, stayed for the community

[hasty grail]

no one is perfect, anyone who says they are is trying to sell you something

[wispy plover]

I think it was called At Eternitys Gate?

[winter sierra]

for me: came for thor, stayed for the ferrets

[odd token]

uWu

[indigo wadi]

I'm perfect and I have a bridge for you

[indigo wadi]

ah

[hasty grail]

As a whole, i do think Thor does a good job at managing what he has created, but there are those who hate him for one reason or another, maybe envy.

[outer cobalt]

Maybe they dislike ferrets

[winter sierra]

impossible

[winged knoll]

I think it come down to People dislike his personality, and argue about things that Thor has said in the past

[outer cobalt]

Never caught a Furret in any of my play thoughs

[hasty grail]

there are a dozen and one different youtubers that i hate for one reason or another, i ignore them and move on

its a way to achieve peace within one's self

no one should have to carry hate against someone they can EASILY ignore with a push of a button

[indigo wadi]

There are many youtubers i hate. Wanna know what I don't do? Spend time watching them.

[hasty grail]

we live in such a weird time that there is a thousand and one things we can do via the comfort of our own homes

[winter sierra]

tbh its ok to hate thors personality just move on

[hasty grail]

the moment you make the hate your personality is the point you need to take a break and get off the internet

[ocean agate]

its kind funny, the people who "hate" Thor care more about his opinion then us in the community who listen to Thor when he says "dont out source your critical thinking". Thor's "haters" want to "fix" him.....i think they idolize him more then the community he built around him does

[hasty grail]

the time we live in is very goddamn weird and unknown, there has never been a point in history such as this

[dusk orbit]

lolcows exist for a reason. some ppl like actively disliking or making fun of someone not kidding.

[hasty grail]

and yet there are people buring their time and energy on hating some dude who thinks slightly differently

[subtle gate]

it's weird when elderly people tell me that

then I get real alarmed

[hasty grail]

look, im someone who is looking for a teaching job, explaining how weird history can get should be part of my job.... IF I HAD ONE

if you have some extra down time, go dig through history and try to find moments that come as close to this decade

[ocean agate]

so Ada is community mom, and stapel is community teacher?

[hasty grail]

in terms of overall connection? good luck

[ocean agate]

what subjects do you cover?

[hasty grail]

look, im just some random dude on the internet who has looked at history with awe and facination to come to terms that there is no way you can teach it all

[hasty grail]

sooo... being a teacher in the US. heres how that works

ideally, get a degree of bachelors or above, then apply within your state's accreditation for a license

[ocean agate]

i wish i could say "i know, i live in the US" but i never really went to school....so

[hasty grail]

now, there is primary aka grades 1-6 and secondary aka 7-12

for me, secondary education: social studies

aka high school history teacher

now, depending on the state you can get licensed in other areas by taking further college classes or passing a PRAXIS test to show you know the subject

i plan on going for math, science, language arts, and computer science (to teach programming)

but thats after my degree gets finalized via college and i do some other paperwork with the accreditation people

[ocean agate]

sounds awesome, keep at it

[indigo wadi]

Imagine dedicating your life to this. How shallow of a life someone must lead

[hasty grail]

sooo YES, someone with a masters in business and finance can become a teacher without taking a single course on how to be a teacher

[indigo wadi]

is common core math still a thing?

[hasty grail]

common core is the weird idea of trying to get all 50 states to agree on a unified curriculum

it didnt work out

sooooo

[indigo wadi]

good

common core is stupid aF

[hasty grail]

each state has mostly tailored it to what they want to "focus" on

[indigo wadi]

"show your work for 2+2=4"

DUMB

[hasty grail]

aka it changes every 10 years and nothing is consistent

[velvet pawn]

bachelor's/masters for the pay teacher's get currently is insane to me it's so cooked.

[hasty grail]

depends on the school district

[velvet pawn]

ye, where i live its really bad

[hasty grail]

my district's minimum salary has increased a lot since my co-operating teacher started

btw, depending on the college program you may end up in a master-apprentice system with an existing teacher to learn what goes on inside a classroom

its fun

and because i might end up having down time this fall... i will be looking into the programming section of the discord and borrowing a few ideas

just need to make sure i note in any and all lesson plans to make students do a code outline or some other method to know they know what they are doing

[lapis tartan]

Anyone who pursues a Teaching career to help those trying to figure out and deal with this world. I salute you and wish you the happiness you deserve. A lot of my best memories came from cool teachers.

[hasty grail]

while im looking for a proper teaching job, i have been substitute teaching

thats every more weird at times

who doesnt love walking into a classroom and spending the first 10min before the bells ring trying to figure out what the hell is going on and what am i doing?

[velvet pawn]

subbing honestly sounds so much more difficult than regular teaching. from my experience in all of HS 90% of the substitutes had to deal with unfiltered chaos and the other 10% was this one sub that would take attendance and tank the entire period's time by talking about random things

[hasty grail]

for high school classes....

had a student try and record a tiktok in the classroom... got the phone and made sure they knew

otherwise, mostly sane

[velvet pawn]

very interesting honestly

[hasty grail]

middle school.....

things that have happened in no particular order:

student threw eraser at me when i was writing things on the board, students hiding out in a back section of the classroom to ditch other classes, several students who REALLY didnt like me because i held my ground

student who united my shoe and proceeded to make the rest of the class period nearly hell on earth, didnt work out for him, ended up reporting him to the front office and one of their counselors took the class the following day

i have been part of a number of field days and a few end of the year days, those were fun

this school year i spent the half a day standing outside making sure students werent going to get themselves hurt

overall, good times

it is very much a: not everyone can do it well

https://tenor.com/view/flourhyune-ferret-jokjebi-ferret-sleepy-ferret-yawn-gif-11676411040355568411

[tight bramble]

Have a meme!

And another!

And one more for good measure!

K im dun

[golden mirage]

I have no idea if that's a real quote from DS9 but I can absolutely see that conversation happening.

[indigo wadi]

It is not, but it would absolutely come from O'Brian

@wispy plover ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJzDnZD4Ys|| RETURN ON RAW TONIGHT, DO NOT CLICK UNLESS YOU WANNA KNOW.

[dreamy light]

With Seth out, they had to pull the ripcord

[indigo wadi]

Maybe, or could of been part of the plan.

[dreamy light]

could be, we'll see. Either way they'll make it part of the plan

[indigo wadi]

And with Heyman involved, it'll be good

[wispy plover]

Yea I saw that

[tight bramble]

The new stuff is beyond my knowledge. Im all about the attitude, and ruthless aggression eras. With some earlier trivia knowledge sprinkled in.

[wispy plover]

Summerslam goes to 2 nights this year... so that'll be a thing.

[tight bramble]

Also lucha underground, cuz that's just a bag and a half of crazy awesome

[wispy plover]

Oh man, I aint heard Lucha Underground in a minute.

Shame about them.

[tight bramble]

Yeah 😦 matanza cueto is the best

[indigo wadi]

Current day stuff isn't bad. Watchable

[tight bramble]

Thats good. I remember the 2015 royal rumble, that's around the time I stopped watching. I had more or less stopped before then, but I wanted to see that rumble.

[wispy plover]

It was really bad from like 2014-2021? Give or take.

WWE anyways. Then AEW came along and forced them to actually try. Which was good for a while. But unfortunately Tony Khan is a total mark. And the product goes up and down.

[dreamy light]

I can agree with this

That time period was especially bad.

I started watching around 94-1995 and kinda fell off around that time.

I came back for the bloodline storyline

[wispy plover]

Bloodline story was good. Especially considering how long it went. Also, the indy scene got pretty good in the late 2010's. So there was that.

[wet storm]

WWE is THIEVES and KNAVES

They stole muh Penta and Ray Fenix

[dreamy light]

I went to a few local shows around then too, one show had FTR show up (I'm in NC), we got front row because it was cheap and at a highschool, and Dax Harwood straight up wiped his forehead and flicked sweat on a woman I was standing by. She loved it.

[wet storm]

From AEW

It's like watching dbz and seeing Goku and Vegeta just up and leave the show

Luv luchas

[wispy plover]

Lucha, much like Sumo, is very under appreciated.

[tight bramble]

Don't ever forget "lucha things"

[indigo wadi]

Shortly after this, for attitude Era started

[fluid dome]

Morning

[dreamy light]

Yeah I watched from about the new generation to, I guess the end of the PG era?

[wispy plover]

Morning Umbra

Well, if you guys wanna feel old, Goldberg just had his final match on Saturday Night

[indigo wadi]

It was once Vince left

[dreamy light]

Yeah when Triple H took over it seemed to get really good.

Vince fell off hard.

[indigo wadi]

Pretty much where we're at

[wispy plover]

He is clinically insane. It got so much better once TKO ejected him.

[dreamy light]

Hard to admit, Vince still discovered Roman, and personally signed Cody. but Punk, Jacob, etc. came under Triple H.

[wispy plover]

Well he didnt get ejected by them. It was a whole thing. But still.

[indigo wadi]

Still questionable booking decisions, but overall better

[indigo wadi]

Umm...Punk came in under Vince

[dreamy light]

Originally yeah, I mean his second run now.

[indigo wadi]

Yeah, Punk coming back was wild

[dreamy light]

After talking all that shit idk if Vince would have let him back.

[indigo wadi]

Punk would never come back under vince

[dreamy light]

Yeah probably not

[wet storm]

Luchas are what make wrestling go around

Kenny Omega show up battered and bruised from years in New Japan and diverticulitis recovery barely managing to walk with a straight back, loads of pyrotechnics and explosions though, loud theme music, haha great

Not impressed. I respect it sure, but I'm not impressed

On the other side Mascara Dorada does a friggin front flip into the ring

No intro, no fireworks, just a mexican ninja

A SOMERSAULT into the ring

Now that's the Cirque du Solei of pain I came to see

[wispy plover]

Yeah Omega is too beat up now to put on the great matches he used to be able to pull off.

[ocean agate]

7s confirmed

[wispy plover]

Man that last 2 hrs got away from me quick.

yay stream time

[tight bramble]

It's not on YouTube. Twitch only?

[wispy plover]

hasnt officially started yet

[tight bramble]

Ah ok

[wispy plover]

We know in twitch chat because the chat is still available offline, albiet in emote only mode

[drowsy vector]

Thor might be waking up, i hope hes doing well

[wispy plover]

Idk what y'all get on youtube. Watching youtube streams makes my eyes bleed

[late bane]

thor will always be lovely

[brittle rune]

You get nothing before it starts and then a horrible chat experience

[wispy plover]

Classic Youtube.

[drowsy vector]

watching on xbox youtube, twitch app crashes lots on it

[winter sierra]

common youtube L

[ocean agate]

its petit jambon

[tight bramble]

Oh hey ham, how's it going?

[brittle rune]

Pretty tired, but doing alright thank you for asking

[wispy plover]

Oh yeah, I used to watch streams that way. Twitch website is fine (usually) but man, they suck at making apps.

[wicked schooner]

Yesterday was a bit rough

[tight bramble]

Once more unto the breach?

[brittle rune]

Yeah!

[cyan steeple]

CJ is now going through deleting comments on his videos that point out flaws in his skillset - like his latest one where he moved an if statement inside a loop he'd just complained about because it could be "up to 98,000 iterations"

[thick ledge]

Stream isn't real

[thick ledge]

I saw he made another video where he brought a "game maker expert"

I'm sorry a what

I don't think those exist

[wicked schooner]

So any updates about the heartbound wiki situation?

[thick ledge]

Did someone ddos the wiki or smth

Classic

[wicked schooner]

Someone set it up for deletion iirc

[thick ledge]

Very cool

[cyan steeple]

Any experienced coder knows your past is littered with embarrassments, and that's ok - if it's not, then you're still a junior

[wicked schooner]

Yeah the message is still there

[tropic delta]

wow people really are just going after everything

[thick ledge]

Luckily for Wikipedia people have to agree

Can't just arbitrarily delete a page

[remote briar]

Do u have a source for this? I just haven't seen anything personally

[cyan steeple]

yeah that's the one i was talking about - he starts the video by complaining about a loop inside a switch statement having lots of potential iterations, then suggests swapping the switch statement for a conditional INSIDE the loop 😂

[thick ledge]

Again, Thor isn't coding a massive service or smth

[cyan steeple]

Yes - my deleted comments 😂

[thick ledge]

The game runs on a fridge

Small optimizations would be irrelevant anyway

[modest mango]

The game runs on the hardware it needs to run on (10 year old low-end PCs), that's good enough 🙏

[thick ledge]

There comes a point with code that it serves literally no purpose to make it more efficient

[cyan steeple]

Well the irony is, he then gets the "expert" in who then proceeds to benchmark the code by disabling the optimizations first

[thick ledge]

Huhh

[cyan steeple]

If you understand any of the code they're talking about, he actually makes Thor look great 😂

but he's clearly targetting an audience of non-coders with an appeal to authority

[thick ledge]

Which is the thing people accuse thor of doing

[winged knoll]

CJ is a grifter and is drama farming for internet points.

In other news, water is wet

[thick ledge]

And the whole point of these videos was to discredit him as an authority to begin with

[winged knoll]

[wicked schooner]

Day that ends with y

[thick ledge]

Don't call him CJ, my boy CJ would never do thid

[winged knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/alejandro9ix-gif-13711685647150536594

[thick ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/gta-cj-carl-johnson-jr-stressed-depressed-gif-16772877

[modest mango]

Hey, be fair to the guy.

He's drama-farming for money, not internet points.

[thick ledge]

Man I wish I had no morals

[turbid lantern]

Wonderful typing!

[thick ledge]

It'd be so easy to rake it in

There's so many ways

You could make ai slop reddit post narration videos

[winged knoll]

[thick ledge]

All kinds of stuff to make infinite money

Have an AI describe a manga plot to you then have tts read it

Drama farming

Ai generated kids videos

Also make stacks

[wispy plover]

I know. I'm currently without work and even I am not willing to stoop that low.

[thick ledge]

The only thing stopping me is integrity

Sucks

[buoyant thistle]

One thing i still dont understand is why have 20 or 30 lines of hard-coded array values where as a getter or setter would have been more of an ideal solution.

It's almost like let's not use a loop. Let's just hard code every value for an array that is the size of 1024. Deleting one of those lines would break everything.

[thick ledge]

It works, and it's optimized enough that it runs of a smart fridge

!fridge

[dapper raven]

The Legends were true! https://youtu.be/ZhRkxUDadUA

[thick ledge]

It doesn't need to be more optimal

The scope of the end product doesn't need any further optimization

[patent bear]

Someone's trolling the page. An account made in 2022 has made no contributions to wikipedia whatsoever until the last 24 hours.

[cyan steeple]

If I had to guess - old habits die hard.

Today, getter/setter would get optimized excellently by the compiler

When Thor came up programming? Indexing into arrays likely saved a considerable overhead

[strange owl]

Getter? I barely knower.

[meager stag]

Hello gang

[remote briar]

Just skimmed through the video again and I can't seem to find the part where he moves the if statement. I might be understanding what you're saying tho

[cyan steeple]

I think the best example of why these young kids trying to criticize the habits of an experience programmer is stupid is C#.

Over the last few years, they've released updates to the compiler where the same code will run 25-30% faster. And they've done that multiple times.

So all these little tricks that the old-guard have learned to keep things safe, repeatable, and fast become less and less relevant.

Things like manually unrolling loops, and copy/pasting a chunk of code instead of turning everything into functions weren't uncommon in gamedev

[cyan steeple]

It's right at the start - he complains about 98,000 iterations, then immediately after proposes swapping the case (switch statement) for a ternary (if/comparison)

so code goes from case 0: .... to (light_direction ? -1 : 1) or something like that

a modern compiler might be able to optimize that away, but if you've learned the way that's guaranteed to work optimally - why not use it?

[junior torrent]

I'm sorry Heartbound runs on a WHAT?!

[ocean agate]

a bit dark

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[wicked schooner]

A smart fridge to be exact

[cyan steeple]

They only did so because they were under a lot of pressure...

[junior torrent]

...so is this like how Doom is the meme game for "can X run doom?"

[buoyant thistle]

You could also avoid overhead if you inline a function in the header.

Most api libraries do that. Can he do that with the toolkit he is using? I dont know.

[junior torrent]

I mean, yeah, I'm assuming it'd be a fridge with a touchscreen.

[wicked schooner]

!fridge

[dapper raven]

The Legends were true! https://youtu.be/ZhRkxUDadUA

[junior torrent]

....why

But also, okay

🤔

Can Heartbound run Doom?

[earnest spire]

uh..

[junior torrent]

You know, for the meme

[wicked schooner]

A mystery

[buoyant thistle]

I'm leaning on more of coding standards. Yeah, it's indexing into an array at constant time, but he hardcodes it on every line. He could have used a loop that'll do the same thing.

Perhaps, he did it for people like you or others that want to learn to code?

The only downside would be... what? A couple more bytes added i think to his executable?

[thick ledge]

Standards only really matter if someone else is going to get into your code

It's a solo project

Also some things are coded hard for ARG reasons

[earnest spire]

the problem if he try to change something it may create problems

[earnest mirage]

it's done processing within one frame, why make it faster when there is no need to?
also core stuff was developed with gms 1.4, a lot of stuff they complain about basically was not part of it back then.

[cyan steeple]

If CodJes is triggered by Thor's code, he should go read some Unity Coroutines

[buoyant thistle]

I was also thinking of that as well lol.

[thick ledge]

If Thor was on a team of coders, then making sure stuff was clean would he important. But he labels literally everything with code comments and it's just him

[cyan steeple]

As someone who came from a true C# background then touched Unity - the coding "standards" are triggering within the game dev domain - but once you learn more about game dev, you realize that it's pretty standard within that domain, but blasphemy outside of it

[thick ledge]

As thor occasionally says "it don't matter, none of this matters"

[buoyant thistle]

For the views. Why would someone be triggered by someone else's code other than views. I'm here just wondering why. Not here to be a dick or anything. People code their ways

[thick ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/carl-athf-aqua-teen-hunger-force-adult-swim-dont-matter-gif-18398614

[buoyant thistle]

Just curious lmao

[flint yarrow]

It comes off as gatekeeping bs to someone who has no clue about coding. What does it matter if it runs well and works for what it needs to do

[earnest mirage]

less triggered, more about rant on someone else's code and then try to sell the viewers his own lessons for 350$/hr ^^

[cyan steeple]

lessons which would be useless within the given domain 😂

[patent bear]

It's situationally dependent. Sometimes spaghetti code can result in performance issues with the game, or becoming a problem later when adapting the game to include newer code.

[buoyant thistle]

I would think a coder would absolutely push their codebase to the absolute best. Optimization and readability, but it is hard to find a.. balance

[cyan steeple]

Young ones 😉

Experienced ones realize the code is never perfect, and the product is more important

You always come back to refactor!

[patent bear]

WoW, for example. Blizzard said it was a massive challenge to find a way to make Classic WoW compatible with the battlenet launcher, which WoW predates.

[cyan steeple]

No one bought a print-out of Heartbound's source code, but millions bought the game...

[patent bear]

And I saw a video once of a game dev who reviewed some japanese game, where ELSE IF arguments were stacking and looping, causing massive performance issues with the game as it went on and on.

[buoyant thistle]

But its a solo project though? So taking time wouldn't be a issue. Then again, he has viewers...

[patent bear]

Outside of those situations, coding like anything is just a matter of "best practice" I believe.

[peak nymph]

btw has thor ever stated that he is a good programmer? afterall game development is not only coding.

[lapis tartan]

Something something, cast the first stone or some such...

[cyan steeple]

He's stated he only does 1 hour of it a month, and a shiteload more writing 😉

[buoyant thistle]

Branch mis-predicting is an issue especially when the code gets executable multiple times. Profiled my codebase found out crap ton of branch mis-predictions all because of Cairo

[cyan steeple]

He's still releasing a product though

[buoyant thistle]

So it wouldn't be worth it then to go back.

[peak nymph]

so all the code reviews could be right but there is no shame to it.

[cyan steeple]

Yes and no - yes they could be right, but from what I've seen they're not 😂

[buoyant thistle]

Basically. But a lot of people have a stick up their ass. CJ was being very knitpicky and didnt realize the production and what not.

[cyan steeple]

I've got code out there that's absolutely horrible 😂 i reverse engineered the encryption and compression layer of star citizen on a train ride, and released tools so the community could extract the game assets. The code's a mess, designed for cracking the format, not being beautiful. It's more useful to the community being out there than beign beautiful, and I've never had the time to go back and redo it now that I've cracked the format.

[lapis tartan]

The game works, that's all that needs to be said. Unless people want to go after undertale's code next? Or any game's code? What's the point beyond it being functional/fun?

[buoyant thistle]

1 day to rewrite a whole codebase? Yeah, no... maybe python, but c or cpp? Hell no

[buoyant thistle]

Oh they will. People suck

[cyan steeple]

It's all moot anyways, AI will be doing our jobs soon enough - let's see how CJs "standards" fare then 😂

[ocean agate]

i'd like to see it take my job....i dont have one! ha so there

[patent bear]

False. AI requires human oversight. Its generative output should never be taken "as is".

[lapis tartan]

I can see the goal post moving now... They update Heartbound to the latest gamemaker and redo all the code... Then they start demanding it be upgraded to unreal 5.

[buoyant thistle]

Good point. I made an interpreter that chases pointers, and it's rough re-learning the cfg, the resolver, etc. It would probably take me a day to re-learn it maybe and probably be able to start coding at night 🌙

[cyan steeple]

You think the business cares?

They'll have some AI tests verify the output of some AI code on some AI generated test data, then wait for the user complaints to get past the AI customer service center

[patent bear]

FAFO.

Klarna is already learning the lesson of replacing people with AI.

[buoyant thistle]

Oh that would suck 😭

[lethal crag]

welp guess I missed a memo and said something I should not have on twitch... my guess was it was a certain 3 letter acronym. Oops.

[cyan steeple]

There will absolutely be casualties 😉

[wispy plover]

Oh yeah some business out there are absolutely gonna go bottom up from over-reliance on AI to try and save a buck.

I'll laugh.

[ocean agate]

then it gets a government bailout and we cry

[summer night]

as the banking sector is ran on mainly Cobal yes they are too scared to try and tackle that with AI

[patent bear]

Request unban. I got "banned" for a few seconds the other day in error because I used a banned word but not in context of why it's banned.

[buoyant thistle]

It won't happen. It will forever always be a tool for programmers

[cyan steeple]

Banking is very different

[buoyant thistle]

I would be too. If you know cobal, then you probably have hair on your chest

[patent bear]

Explain?

[cyan steeple]

Startups are going to come, and they're going to disrupt

They may fail, but not before the damage is done

[solid bone]

Is yesterday's stream vod missing, or is twitch just being dumb for me atm? Does anyone know?

[lethal crag]

Oh i definatley did. If I don't get unbanned it is what it is... I should have looked for the recent rules before making the comment. I havn't watched a live stream in a while so it's kinda my own fault.

[wispy plover]

VOD was nuked

[gritty tartan]

Heartbound on UE5? That would be nice April 1st joke.

[solid bone]

Damn, ok, I'll go do another cheer for my question then lol

[gloomy forge]

Just wanted to say hi, hopefully everyone has a great day

[gritty tartan]

Sad too hear anyway. Those people ruining fun for everyone/

[cyan steeple]

I think the programmers that embrace and learn how to get the most out of it will be ok, though there will be more of them competing for fewer jobs

[patent bear]

That's how it SHOULD be treated.

AI is a tool, not a solution.

[gritty tartan]

Principal Development Lead - Xbox Graphics

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7349539853866344449/

[cyan steeple]

Have you dealt with any outsourced MSPs / IT Support lately? 😉

[patent bear]

I work for one, yes.

I have customers who cannot legally use AI in their environments.

[cyan steeple]

Hope it's not the one Microsoft uses for their paid support!

[wispy plover]

It's so god damn funny lmao

[summer night]

the only thing i get AI to do is "explain it to me like im 5"
i cant wait for the Dogfooding to catch up with all the AI's and it breaks

[patent bear]

I don't work for Microsoft, no.

[gritty tartan]

and really sad.

[lethal crag]

I found AI can help me architect ideas but I never trust it to write any of the code for me.

[cyan steeple]

Have you ever had to deal with them? If so you'd know even the biggest corps in the world can misuse these options in pursuit of a quick buck

[patent bear]

Yes I have, and I fast came to learn they should not be calling themselves "Engineer".

[cyan steeple]

Amen

[cyan steeple]

This is my point though - should we let AI write the new <X> for us? Probably not. Are the C-suite going to do it anyways, and take their golden parachute before it blows back on them? Don't you know it. when was the last time a game released that didn't need heavy post-release hotfixing? Quality is rapidly going down the toilet in multiple sectors, we're the testers now.

Will banks still use Cobol? Probably. But that's 1 sector "safe"

https://tenor.com/cIPw8AZF4XD.gif

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-gif-14895670

im not saying anything

[wispy plover]

True, but also my pity well bottomed out for microsoft a long time ago.

[patent bear]

It still takes a "trained eye" to review any code written, regardless of source.

AI is not that.

[cyan steeple]

How many startups don't have any code review 😉

Again - banks move slow, lots of review

But you think the devs writing the Wework app had that overhead?

[patent bear]

I wouldn't scope institutions like banks into this.

[gritty tartan]

and this is not the first time they're using shitty AI image. But still, you don't have to be a Principal Development Lead to see the problem with the picture.

[gloomy forge]

AI right is not that good and obviously AI is at its very worst practical point. Its only getting better from here on.

[spark tide]

I have a weird question for people.

Does anyone else find it odd, how okay streamers are with how transient their content is, even tho it doesn't have to be? I understand why the VOD yesterday was nuked, rightfully so. But there will be no edited version of it either, and the links to the answered TTS links are now dead. I was originally looking for Thor's playthrough of the beginners guide, it seems like it made an impact on him, and on the other people who watched it, but ill never be able to experience it myself.

Would you say that the experience of watching something is more valuable then, because of its transient nature?

I often think about Cohh and his kids, and thinking how when I lost my dad, I wish I had those thousands of hours of pure personality to watch as I griefed my loss. When Cohh is gone, his children will have so much content to look back on, and so will their children, and their children's children. etc.

If I was a streamer, I wouldn't want my content to dissapear so quickly. So what is my weird question? Its in there somewhere.

[gloomy forge]

There is a "limbo" where the best practice is supervising AI to be sure it does the job right, But that still requires understanding on how things work. For AI to be fully automatic, its take a while until it reaches that point but I'm sure we gonna see that somewhen.

[wispy plover]

whoa hey buddy, careful there. They're gonna start a Stop Killing VODs movement next.

[buoyant thistle]

Protein shake sounds really good right now 😋

[wispy plover]

I'm kidding. I promise.

[cyan steeple]

I once worked for the largest junk-mail corp in the country. They had an SMS messaging platform that I took over which literally had one of their self-taught customer service reps VB6 code. A distinct lack of source control, unencrypted credit cards, and the build folder for the support guys computer was set to the network share on the production server - that is to say, whenever he was debugging, he was releasing to prod without even knowing it.

"Requires understanding on how things work" is a low bar 😂

[patent bear]

The problem I see with AI is I feel the world has put an Alpha phase product straight into PROD.

[gritty tartan]

main problem with VODs today is that a ton of people trying to farm Thor as much as possible and make as many out of context shit.

[summer night]

this made me laugh alot more than it should have

[cyan steeple]

So just like every other piece of software released these days then 😉

[wispy plover]

I'm splendid. :3

[patent bear]

Probably.

[cyan steeple]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying what should happen - I'm saying what's going to happen

[wispy plover]

But also yea, what lachtak said. VOD from yesterday had to be nuked as yet another "content creator" and their community started hopping in and causing problems. Cus why make content when you can milk this situation, yeah?

[buoyant thistle]

Keeps popping on my feed. The moment when moist made a video on it, everyone literally chimed in. People I never seen or exist just emerged from the shadow realm. Need a broom, so I can push them back into the shadow realm

[patent bear]

Hence my "FAFO" remark earlier.

[cyan steeple]

It'll get to a point where it's just like "Microsoft Support" - shit but there's nothing we can do about it any more

[patent bear]

No different to before the insurgence of AI.

[cyan steeple]

exactly - just with a lot less employment

[gloomy forge]

Yeah it sometimes feels like that. Once transformers began working and even surpassed expectations people were like "RELEASE THIS ASAP!", gonna take a few years until AI is really becoming better. The issue still is automation. The thing that irks me the most about AI is that people that outsource their thinking and abilities actually damage/degrade their brain according to studies and thats just bad.

[solid bone]

Im sorry if its been talked about already, but is it ok if I ask why the VOD got nuked?

[patent bear]

AI cannot be used to fix its own problems without scrutiny, especially when the fix requires elevated privilege, ie. Admin.

[cyan steeple]

Didn't pass VOD review

[tribal nest]

Are we gonna have our own 'PirateSoftware Independent Advisors, who are happy to help'?

[buoyant thistle]

Bunch of content creators and their minions flew in and tried to board the ship. Luckily they got a cannon to the face or more

[solid bone]

Gotcha Gotcha, thanks yall

[cyan steeple]

Maybe go the Google way - don't even pay outsourcers, just make a community forum and tell people to go stuff themselves

[solid bone]

Here's hoping it doesn't get nuked again if I fall asleep before he gets to my tts this time lol

[summer night]

you know the more i see internet today the more i think of iRobot

so many good qoutes for todays internet and tech

[harsh viper]

for a second I was trying to figure what roomba has to do with that

[smoky dagger]

not gonna lie, Asimov was kind of a visionary in that series x)
Lots of stuff sounds kinda true today

[cyan steeple]

Will Smith's gonna slap the dust outta your carpet

[tribal nest]

now that I'm thinking about it, would it be possible that if your discord account is linked to your twitch account, that the message in answered-tts pings you?

[summer night]

"Maybe you would have simply banned the Internet to keep the libraries open"

[spark tide]

I understand. It would be nice if there was a special editor for VODS that could trim it down, similar to how Cohh has it I think. Though he only chops it in 30 minute segements. But I think its a huge loss when certain unique experiences get lost. Quill's playthrough of the beginners guide is one that really stuck with me.

I guess im alone in feeling that way.

[buoyant thistle]

Someone had an idea to duct tape an ak-47 just in case if someone breaks into their house.

[harsh viper]

I mean, that could work

[spark tide]

Attachment issues and all that, maybe. 🫣

[cyan steeple]

Not gonna lie, you wouldn't even need to do any electronics, just tape the gun to the iRobot, and if someone breaks in, just be like "Hey Siri, Vacuum the lounge room" and watch them shit their pants when it rolls up

[harsh viper]

that might be doable

[cyan steeple]

Are you really going to call that bluff?

"What are you gonna do, shoot me?" - Man shot by gun

[ocean agate]

sadly atm it does not ping you, at least not last time i did tts

[solid bone]

Not me only now realizing that I have to update my twitch connection in discord if I change my twitch account name

[buoyant thistle]

If that happened then I would most likely be banned out of this server.

Asked about the stop killing games movement and some other things. Was a... sore subject and shouldn't be discuss.

Did not know and yeah

[summer night]

usually followed by "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SHOT ME"

[harsh viper]

(wondering how obscure of a reference that is)

@lapis tartan yeeeeeeeee

[buoyant thistle]

If they shit their pants in my house, they be getting a cap or two in their ass. Followed by high voltage tasing.

[wispy plover]

I love the meme you just referenced. One of my all time favs.

[cyan steeple]

Funny thing is, I mostly just watch shorts occasionally, and don't even agree with Thor's take on the petition, but the drama-tubers trying to cause issues are just insufferable 😂

You're allowed to disagree with someone without making it your life mission to destroy them

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-vash-stampide-estampida-amor-y-paz-gif-19594659

[harsh viper]

exactly the same, I don't agree at all, but who cares

[buoyant thistle]

Which i just dont get why people are so thirsty for views. Literally went on YouTube and its just people crapping on thors code 😒

[lapis tartan]

I'm old now and my fingers don't bend that good anymore to make that sign, but the message is still in my heart.

[buoyant thistle]

Oh wow, it's not what I thought it would be. Oh the 419 has a secret meaning

You wish it did

[winged knoll]

[earnest spire]

i wish follow only mode was on

[winged knoll]

is the strim on

[tribal nest]

That reminds me, I actually made a meme for those people

[ivory schooner]

I keep seeing people just say "blizzard" in chat, and literally nothing else, what even is the context for doing that? yes he did work there, how would you articulate the reason for a ban?

[patent bear]

It'll just add fuel to the fire of a new thing for haters to complain about.

[sweet prawn]

Bro Heimdall's almost up to 250 in under 2 hours, what's the internet mad about this time?

[rich steppe]

He glorped there

[earnest spire]

nah is pretty normal in other chats

[patent bear]

Thor setting follower only chat will be seen as censorship, and exploitation to boost follower count.

[buoyant thistle]

Oh yeah, I forgot that a green paper means more than people's standards.

[earnest spire]

is just a delay for haters

[sweet prawn]

True, but like the side of the internet that doesn't touch grass won't still use that as an excuse

[harsh viper]

I'd do sub only... make them pay to spew the hate

[summer night]

the only thing i enjoy about this whole thing is i get to play unban bingo in khronos chat later

[tribal canyon]

Basic mob mentality, assuming they act like he was a lead Dev there so therefore he must be a fraud in their eyes, totally omitting that he never worked Dev and was QA Instead

[winged knoll]

Either that, or they are obsessive with Thor

But given that sloptubers are incentivized to do slops i don't think the latter is necessary

[ocean agate]

people get banned not just for Thor's sake but for the communities. we dont want people who are here just to throw shit on the ceiling. this leads to certain things getting banned just because the community is sick of the people that bring that shit here

[gritty tartan]

This is funny bc like... just scroll down, bud.

[earnest spire]

it will make people less wanting to make more accounts to spam

[patent bear]

If he hasn't done it already, then it's not in the greater interest to do so.

[wispy plover]

It's also just not how this community or his streams are. He pauses games for ads. There are (normally) a lot of people that just pass through and are asking questions or people that find the channel by chance and say one or two things. It's a lot more restrictive to do that kind of thing just because the toddlers toddled out of school with their full diapers.

[winged knoll]

Is the ban counter still on

[patent bear]

Yes.

[buoyant thistle]

You're saying that people act like apes? I mean, throwing shit is pretty wild

[harsh viper]

while I agree with most of that, I'd call this a special case, because the chat is basically unusable at this point

[winged knoll]

hmmm~ i don't like that

[tribal canyon]

It may at least break the cycle as a week of them not being able to spam will lead them to move on to something else

[patent bear]

It's unusable even before all of this drama, due to how suddenly popular he's become in the last couple of years.

[ocean agate]

might be an insult to apes to call them that.....

[harsh viper]

usually if you try, you can keep up and have a conversation, but rn it's just trolls and people trying in good faith and in vain to debate the trolls

[wispy plover]

It isn't unusable. That's an exaggeration. It gets cleaned up by Heimdall and the mods constantly. It would not mitigate much other than mess with metrics (more than probably already happens) and it really doesn't solve the problem.

[buoyant thistle]

Don't tell them then. They don't need to know. They can judge me once I visit a zoo.

[steel reef]

Since Dr. Horrible was mentioned...
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB787964592CE2DF9
(1st part so it embeds for people who don't want to go to the playlist and just want to check it out in an embed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_9x9m8F1b4&list=PLB787964592CE2DF9&index=1 )

[wispy plover]

Hell yeah. Love Dr Horrible

[buoyant thistle]

When

[wispy plover]

It was a TTS

[prime crest]

People get auto banned for using certain trigger words, because 90% of them are just looking for clips to take out of context to feed the drama and farm clicks on the internet.

Every reasonable person who submits an unban request will get unbanned. It's not a big deal. But it's pretty obvious that if someone's first ever chat message is trigger word they do not intend to engage with the community or discuss anything. Least you can do is form a sentence.

[buoyant thistle]

Oh

Still new to server

[turbid lantern]

Drama?

[tribal canyon]

It helps as what these people want is a reaction from Thor and denying that is how you get them to move on, after a day of screaming elsewhere that they have to wait to spam they will realise this isn't a viable method anymore

[buoyant thistle]

Its not bait if you dont fall for it.. 🪤 <- that cheese though be looking really good though right?

[ocean agate]

cheese

[wispy plover]

You have way too much faith in those people lol

They've been at this shit for months. This isn't new.

[ocean agate]

its still bait if you dont fall for it, if you dont you just have to be a better baiter till you master baiting

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/fishing-sassy-gay-choreography-lgbt-gif-22409823

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-james-may-gif-19266123

[ocean agate]

CHEESE

[harsh viper]

now I'm hungry and it's all your fault

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/licking-failarmy-taste-it-yummy-delicious-gif-10486140191804653605

[buoyant thistle]

Fishing for rainbow trout. Bud dum tsss

[buoyant thistle]

I would imagine when someone says more cheese, the waiter would just whip out a block of cheese and shove it in their food or chisel it

Either or, someone is getting swissed

[summer night]

my one dream is going to a restaurant when they say "Say stop when that enough" because im not saying a damn thing all the cheese

[buoyant thistle]

So three wheel cheese from Skyrim wont suffice your cheese addiction?

[summer night]

sorry you misheard i said ALL the cheese

[harsh viper]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-melted-cheese-extra-cheese-please-gif-12583997

[buoyant thistle]

My dream would be the same, but with money. But no, that's considered as robbery. And I bought these hockey masks for no reason 🙃

[ocean agate]

i made an audible sound i cant repeat

[terse pelican]

Never enough Cheese.

[wispy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/regret-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-parks-and-recreation-gif-14076483031623242366

[harsh viper]

a good or a bad sound or a minecraft villager sound

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/black-pants-bree-i-do-what-i-want-parks-and-rec-i-have-a-permit-gif-8794341

[gritty tartan]

me when I'm making pizza every friday

[ocean agate]

good sound

[ocean agate]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-eric-cartman-respect-authority-authoritah-gif-13202456096890101602

[buoyant thistle]

Laughed for a couple minutes when he was crapping out fake gold 🤣

[earnest mirage]

and when you ate all the cheese the waiter convince you to eat a single wafer-thin-mint 😄

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/jipoune-monty-p-sens-de-la-vie-gif-19103981

[buoyant thistle]

"Is it made out of cheese" would be the proper response.

Probably be a pepper jack

[summer night]

i just found the perfect gif for when people ask me dumb questions at work

https://tenor.com/view/irobot-responses-limited-im-sorry-my-responses-are-limited-gif-16952823

[spark tide]

you gonna slap a tablet on your head that plays that gif on a loop at work? 😛

[harsh viper]

I found a pack of mini marshmallows

today is a good day

[last citrus]

yo, i saw a video about the pirate software drama recently and was wondering if it could be cleared up cuz it looks pretty bad, from #general_chat i was directed here

idk if i can send the link or if thts not alowed but for context its the "emotional manipulation" - esque messages from some years ago

[harsh viper]

what even :D

[last citrus]

can i send

its "Pirate Software, the Most Delusional Twitch Streamer" by "Fearfultears"

[toxic rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/Shadoo_creeture/status/1943802860267028958

shadoo🪲🇵🇸(silly creature enjoyer) (@Shadoo_creeture)

blah blah blah idgaf I'm busy frolicking

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[terse pelican]

TLDR: People disagree with how Thor does stuff, Now they're buttmad about everything he does.

[last citrus]

ye but like, r those messages real tho ?

[terse pelican]

''Real'' in what sense, Like yes? People say those things, Are they true? That's debatable and based purely on opinion

[last citrus]

specifically in the case of the messages between piratesoftware and lyric, thts mainly what kinda shook me

[toxic rampart]

New day. New thing.

[terse pelican]

As far as I know on that topic, is that the person in question is... Unstable and needs help. For the validity, Only Thor / Other person, really knows.

[harsh viper]

like I'm not gonna watch it even if you link it, but mostly what I've seen so far is framing autistic traits as wilfully malicious

[earnest spire]

which part?

[last citrus]

33:22 - 58:32

that whole section

[earnest spire]

oh the lyric section

[toxic rampart]

I'mma be real.
As someone that's been through the whole "X Person said this CRAZY thing" and it turned out really fast to be a nothing burger and literally not real. Unless someone involved says something. Ignore it.

[last citrus]

ye i feel tht, ill take it with a grain of salt for now, but like if it is real thts a bit cooked right ?

js thought i'd ask for a bit of clarity and to see where other peoples heads where at

[earnest spire]

idk but that part was disproven?

[toxic rampart]

Idk, because I don't watch slop farmers and have no idea what we're even worried about tbh

[patent bear]

Make your own opinion. Some of us here don't want to hear about the drama anymore.

[wispy plover]

I know Thor responded to a tweet about that.