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[sage steeple]

Its not typically enough movement to avoid a DVT.

[muted robin]

mfw i know that having high levels of self-awareness is a neurodivergent trait

[sage steeple]

But its also not a bad thing to do for a DVT.

[muted robin]

wizard moment

[flint ember]

https://tenor.com/view/me-after-watching-every-horror-movie-at-night-shocked-scary-terrified-maya-rudolph-gif-16720729

mfw eclipse

[carmine sierra]

I have to code in Java, it's not by choice

[flint ember]

IntelliJ

[carmine sierra]

And Eclipse is on our approved programs list
Getting anything else through that process is a headache

[flint ember]

Eclipse is the headache!

[carmine sierra]

Government computers woo

Eclipse is fine

Works well with Maven projects

[flint ember]

I'm mostly kidding. I don't envy you, though

[carmine sierra]

In my experience, Eclipse is mostly just
"Do you know the hotkeys"

[muted robin]

i kind of wish i got the very self-aware and emotionally controlled/inhibeted/low affect kind of ND sometimes, i have the easily emotional and high injustice sensitivity kind of ND :P

[sage steeple]

Its good, but it also means you have to know how to make yourself heard.

I envy your type a bit.

[ocean agate]

i dont really feel emotions i emulate them wich is hard because its an automated response. so its hard to change it when it gets over reactions or mixed signals

[muted robin]

but actually my bff irl is more of that type of ND so it's not bad being set in your ways as long as you have someone with a contrasting view that you trust who's always there to offer an alternative

[carmine sierra]

I'm the kind that's like
Borderline emotionally dead
Unless it's rage, in which case I can't do shit about it and just have to sequester myself until it burns out

[gloomy forge]

Eclipse is the Blender of coding kits its not too difficult but you have to know them hotkeys and it requires some knowing what to press to get the workflow done fast.

[carmine sierra]

Ye
But I've been working with it since high school, so I know it decently well by now

It was the first language I used for programming, because it's what my high school comp sci teacher gave us

[gloomy forge]

yeah of course, thats how knowing your tools works. Same with me and CSP and basically all the other things.

[carmine sierra]

The funniest thing about my career in webdev is
I didn't want a career in webdev
Ended up liking it anyway

[gloomy forge]

For me, its like a game of dota KEKW kinda like remembering all the hero skills and such. If you can remember stuff in dota you can learn the tools.

English is so hard

[carmine sierra]

Took comp sci in high school to go into game design, went to college for comp sci still intending to go for game design, got an internship halfway through that
The internship had a mobile app, desktop app, and website team
I asked for desktop app because it's what I already knew
Got put on the website team

[gloomy forge]

Neat though.

[carmine sierra]

Did that for two years, then moved on to another company who looked at my resume and also stuck me in webdev for a year

[gloomy forge]

You can still learn game development on the sides.

[carmine sierra]

Nah, honestly with how the industry has gone, I'm kinda glad I didn't go into game dev

Especially since I actually enjoy webdev now that I understand it

These days I'm on a government contract
Working on the website that the DoD uses to make explosives manuals and documentation

[gloomy forge]

Understandable, its not all flowers and happy clouds. I'd do this only because to make my own games for myself alone as a lil hobby

maybe show a good one to a frenn or two.

[flint ember]

Hobby/Indie game dev is excellent. AAA game dev has been going downhill fast since... Iunno the Halo 2 days?

[carmine sierra]

I've rewritten like almost half the code for that website personally over the past two and a half years, because I'm basically the only server/frontend guy we have left

[gloomy forge]

Kinda true, the western sphere has a big decline and recently SEA/Japan does gacha because thats where the moneys at. Also not a great sign.

I'm in the camp that says "just make stuff to learn and have fun "

[carmine sierra]

Disclaimer
I'm really bad at branch management
I tend to just make a branch and then do entire projects there since I'm the only one touching any part of that code, and never merge it back until the entire project is done
So my last merge at the end of the most recent project was 13,901 file changes to master

[gloomy forge]

Hehe thats a whole lot.

[carmine sierra]

This was a project since like
November?
And I just merged the branch for the first time last month

[flint ember]

At least in the Western world, it seems they realized they could just burn and churn people in game dev, since everyone wanted to go into it at the time.

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, it was very much an employer's market

You don't want to play ball, cool there's more where you came from

[muted robin]

and that very toxic "suffering artist" mystique that so many people love to buy into

[gloomy forge]

Yeah thats true, the eastern world had that already established but it was mostly divergant into multiple carrer paths, also many lead into traps were you were forced to work but didn't really get paid a lot.

Or at least, sufficiently.

[muted robin]

when in reality people make art in spite of suffering and not because they suffered. the suffering isn't some sort of key ingredient

but that's a whole other tangent i could go on

or rather "you should be willing to suffer for your art bc if you're not you're not a real artist/are only in it for money" (as if wanting to make money to be able to survive is some sort of greed lmao)

[carmine sierra]

But don't you know all artists are depressed and mentally ill and on drugs, that's what makes their art so good
Just look at Van Gogh!

[gloomy forge]

Or Hideaki Anno

[carmine sierra]

(kindly ignore that Van Gogh's best work was while he was in what amounts to a mental hospital being treated for severe depression)

[muted robin]

i think suffering creates art in that you create art to stay sane and have something besides your suffering to think about

but overall the suffering is a detriment to creativity rather than a boon. the arts should not be Omelas sdlkjflkds you don't need to torture/abuse people for art to exist

😩 the worst part for me is that at one point in my life, when i was super depressed i was writing thousands of words per day regularly to escape from the dread of my emotions. but nowadays whenever i'm depressed the writing just won't come at all

so some of the toxicity is self-imposed in a way, or maybe it's just nostaglia

i was certainly not having fun in 2021 with undiagnosed untreated depression, no matter how much i was writing

[gloomy forge]

Yeah it happens, I'd guess it depends on what your perspectives are in life.

Many things play into it.

Some people see their own suffering as a fuel to do better, some feel that its snowballing into something worse, some people rationalize and normalize it and others just give up. Everyone is unique in their own experiences.

Some of the patterns may allign compared to what others go through but it never has been a one-size-fits-all thing.

I hope you're doing better though

Compared to what you went through in 2021.

[earnest cove]

youtube showed me one of thor's older videos (like 1 year old) and droves of people are also negatively commenting on that. It really did become a weird obsession

[carmine sierra]

I've been watching the Tunic longplay, and there's a ton of people commenting on that and timestamping points where he was supposedly cheating and looking up solutions

[gloomy forge]

Anyways the points I bought up were basically.

1. Thor isn't usually an ass, but misunderstood and can be very wrong.
2. All influencers have a responsibility towards their audience. Influencers have to pick words more carefully when it comes about certain topics.
3. People get riled up when two or multiple influencers fight. Turns out, people don't like it when mommy and daddy are fighting
4. Influencers can jump on low stakes stuff (for them) when it means money. Theres a whole industry about fueling drama.

[earnest cove]

i think there's also a factor of mentally ill people statistically live on the internet a lot more than non mentally ill

[ocean agate]

i am on disability, i cant work......so....of course i spend more time online....

[gloomy forge]

I think thats not true. Maybe in America and some other countries but I feel the ratio is pretty normal. Its also misconceptualizing the "us vs them mentality". A lot of disabled people life normal lives but it depends on many things of course.

[earnest cove]

on another discord somebody had an actual psychotic breakdown hating the whole discord for a fangame we didn't make, just because it exists.

[earnest cove]

I don't mean disabled people. Like folks who have severe mental issues who seek to tear down others. The kind of mental

[gloomy forge]

Uh, maybe they just saw it from a different perspective or maybe other things were involved. I wouldn't point fingers and say "mental illness".

[ocean agate]

they seek validation for their lives through others

[gloomy forge]

Depends on the what is happening.

I feel the internet and how people use it makes people feel more lonely, so they seek emotional connection through others.

Places like discord are hotbeds for people to imagine how others live lifes so when the connection is strong in a community they strongly seek validation but that can backfire way too hard. Theres also toxicity of many kinds but it depends on the community and the people involved.

In different terms for the zoomers. If you use the internet you may get brainrot and become a schizo. Some think its fun but it can be bad and again can be applied to everyone. Some of it is clearly observeable in how reddit and twitch promotes tribalism. Us vs Them is as strong as its ever been IMHO.

[exotic forge]

I think that more responsibility has to be put on these influencers who create videos which fuels hate against other influencers

[ocean agate]

putting that responsability on them is what makes people think they should rely on them. you should not do that but instead seperate from it and make sure people think for themselves

[earnest cove]

I personally think it's an egg and chicken thing. Vulnerable people seek to escape online, meet like minded ones, and spiral down together. When I went to tumblr in 2015 it's impossible to not meet someone with some kind of severe issue like an eating disorder. Or someone who said everything triggers here and therefore we could talk nothing.

And i was that vulnerable person too (and probably still am to some extent)

It's good when people meet and don't spiral down together of course

[exotic forge]

How do you make sure people think for themselves?

[gloomy forge]

Yeah that as well, because its clearly made to paint someone as a antagonist. From the perspective from the person who makes the videos this is all inconsequential though.

Some who make these sort of videos may even believe they're doing this as a sort of good-will to reach Thor. Maybe its also all malice. Difficult to say, I'm sure its a mix of many things.

A lot of people live and breath the drama however.

I mean, people really respected Thor at some point, see the Apex Legends hacker thing.

[earnest cove]

In simpler terms: happy, well adjusted people don't haunt Thor's youtube channel to spam angry hate in the comments in the channel and constantly badger the live chat

[exotic forge]

Yeah I mean let's not act like these videos being made of Thor present information in an unbiased manner. All these videos clearly have a hook to manipulate the viewer into hating Thor. Even people who aren't involved in the drama will view Thor as the villain based on all these videos

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, that may be the case. But I feel the internet drives well adjusted people to be weird too. But I feel from the people that consume that stuff its a small margin of people who actually are bad people.

[ocean agate]

sadly you cant make them, yes i understand i said that. bad choice of words i guess but encourage critical thinking and understand that we have to own our own actions

[gloomy forge]

but I also say this, 1% of bad actors within a group of 1 million people is still 10.000 and thats a lot.

[earnest cove]

It's been clinically proven that using social media actually makes okay people not okay, because we're still humans in the end. Things like getting into comparison competitions, clout, getting engagement, they all fire the lizard brain dopamine machine

[junior torrent]

I think in large people forget that Thor is human and like any human, he's not going to have the same input or perspective on something like you and I. He got a job working for the same company as his dad. He has the privilege of what it means to be born cis and white in a country that regularly pushes people who aren't down. He also has a history in both game development and security. All of these things are going to color his specific things. The worst part of the internet is the pedestal people will put people on because they don't know how to think beyond what's on their screens. Everything Thor does has a reason and those reasons seem to be tied to his love of gaming and his community. Sure he's probably done some bad things but he hasn't committed a crime or ended up on a "Twitch Streamers Accused of SA" list. And honestly, the fact that it seems like Thor isn't driven by money alone is so dang refreshing lol

[earnest cove]

Tribal thinking and more

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, the competition on social media is gigantic because social media makes people into products.

[earnest cove]

Also socmed incentivites tribal thinking

[frosty spear]

Idea for someones cursed quest

[late bane]

Not even a ferret would eat that

[earnest cove]

oh that food is very cursed lol

[earnest cove]

socmed has made people into thinking that everyone must be perfect all the time too.

[gloomy forge]

I'd eat that but only if you give me a sufficient amounts of money.

copious amounts.

homungous amounts even

[junior torrent]

Socmed?

[earnest cove]

social media

[gloomy forge]

Social Medicine

[earnest cove]

socmed is the short of it

[gloomy forge]

[earnest cove]

social medicine omg XD

[junior torrent]

Sorry brain not 100℅ today

[earnest cove]

it's ok it's a relatively new term

[gloomy forge]

yeah "touch grass" is peak social medicine

and if you don't like people just befriend a bee

[junior torrent]

I'm not 100% on this but I heard there's a study that found that it's better for your mental health to be around green spaces soooo that's probably not an incorrect statement

[late bane]

I got a friend who spends all day doodling bee memes

[ocean agate]

can i just set my hue lights to green?

[gloomy forge]

I'm not always 100% serious but when it comes to serious matters like harrasment and the whole Thor thing I am. Its a bad issue for sure. A good community should be tested though. If it can survive this drama it survive everything. And Thor does a good job so nobody feels too bad. From an outsiders perspective like mine things seem very normal. Even got a gifty subby because people are so nice

[late bane]

What i got after a bee's nuts joke

[gloomy forge]

What does the bee say when they enter their home?

[late bane]

Buzz off

[gloomy forge]

"Bee-less this mess."

[gloomy forge]

No, that is what happens if they enter a home they don't belong to

Sometimes they also say "Honey I'm home."

[flat root]

Apparently blue colored environments and light decrease aggression, at least according to some research.

It's been a long while since I've ever checked on any updates or new information relating to this, so I have no idea if this has been found in error or other given more evidence, but that's one example of color & mental health effects.

[late bane]

I know a hornet would just attack XD

[ocean agate]

i know for me personally.....and i think a lot of us here feel this way which actually makes it harder. is if someone has a problem with me, attack me. but you mess with my friends, my family, community or work....ill destroy you, i can brush it off, their innocent

[earnest cove]

i got a gifted sub too. very appreciated since youtube have been rejecting my money again.

[gloomy forge]

Those usually go to "hornet jail"

[late bane]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-caption-meme-snap-insane-gif-23429295

[junior torrent]

We should get more billionaires in blue colored environments

[gloomy forge]

Blue also implies cleanlyness

[ocean agate]

i know when i set my lights to blue i have issues after a while, i use a light pink most the time, like tinted sunglasses

[junior torrent]

I have blue light filter permanently turned on with my phone and my new desktop because gdi screens are so ducking bright

[gloomy forge]

You make a good point when it comes to "the others" here. Billionaries are usually seen as gigaevil and selfish, but think of themselves as good people who worked hard and got a little lucky. The drama people probably on average think of themselves as fantastic people too. In a sense its true, apart form a small percentage that can amount to a lot of people. A lot of people who watch these videos probably forgot about Thor already, thats why a lot of content creators slap his face on everything so they keep being reminded.

I feel that was also Dr. K. argumentation in the sense that people not agreeing with a content creator should be taken too close to heart. I'm still optimistic, at some point once things normalize again things will look better again. Maybe 2027 or so. I can also see followers rising again at some point. It happened when Thor streamed Dune Awakening before the whole new drama thing. Its still respectable to what Thor is doing for the game development community with the gameJAMs, I only know of him and Moonmoon who does this, hes another huge streamer.

[muted robin]

When i hear the acronym socmed it reminds me too much of INGSOC and minitru and other things from 1984 lol

They're just abbreviations so it's not that deep but it's something about the style of it

[gloomy forge]

yeah I have INGSOC as a mental image every time people talk about two syllable acronyms like that.

Memory do be working like that sometimes.

[late bane]

So on your note about him recovering followers over time

Do you think after its all over we'll get the hindsight videos going we were to harsh or whatever

[muted robin]

Not from everyone but I think from some people

Ultimately only the most diehard, mentally unwell haters could ever sustain the observed amount of hate for longer than a few months

Then once the mob has mostly died and ppl won't get attacked just for expressing sympathy, actual discussion can happen

[hasty grail]

no

people never accept fault

[late bane]

If people bring it up in the servers I mod i shut it down as the things people say about one another now like life is meaningless sends me into a rage lol

[gloomy forge]

I mean it began already. Some videos regarding the initiative told people to stop giving flak to Thor because theres no reason to hate on him anymore. Right now Thor is just the center of everything but also it feels like that theres nothing else to hate on.

A lot of youtubers focused way too much about making people emotionally railed on a cause. It happens for a long time but this time its a single person instead of "The industry is SCARED of Baldurs Gate 3" if you get what I mean.

[reef geyser]

The "equilibrium" point will be that state of things where every time someone mentions him, for the haters it will be an "oh yeah, that guy, who is bad. (insert joke here at Thor's expense)" Then move on.

The "normal" in mainstream spaces will be that he's an "acceptable target."

And that will last a while. But not forever.

[gloomy forge]

Realistically, theres a lot more worse people in the industry to make videos about than Thor. People will move on until there is a new good guy and a new bad guy to make a story about.

[hasty grail]

i think the equilibrium has shifted

[gloomy forge]

Its just narrative making about "good guys" and "bad guys"

[hasty grail]

might be longer until it shifts back

[late bane]

I just hope his bottom line isn't overly effected since hes got the mods and ferrets to take care of

[reef geyser]

For a sort of smaller scale example, another guy I follow, Empyrion, streams PoE content. He had a controversy back when the PoE streamer favoritism for login queues was going on. People misunderstood a metaphor he made regarding water access in underpriveleged countries, and he got dragged for it.

Years later, he's bigger than ever.

[late bane]

Its none of my business but it still makes me nervous

[muted robin]

The storm is always hardest to handle at the start ime

If you can handle the high intensity burst of hatred at the start then you can simply outlast the haters' attention span

[hasty grail]

doesnt he periodically get banned from PoE1 for breaking crap and keep breaking it even after GGG tells him to stop?

[reef geyser]

I've had the same thought, but I think he'll be ok. He's got mad money now.

[long marsh]

On one side you have "diehard, mentally unwell haters" and on the other "diehard, mentally unstable orbiters".. Too much black/white. Many videos/responses are pointing out simple logical issues that cannot be refuted even though "some people" have oppositional defiant disorder and try to, and fail, to refute them. Just accept when you're wrong and life would be easy.

[late bane]

You'd think but hes building a building

[muted robin]

Though it takes a while sometimes when I personally got cyberstalked it took literally 2 years before I finally got to exist online in peace

[reef geyser]

The breaking it after being told to stop thing was a particular incident with a known exploit, and it was him and his regular group. They found something that fell into the category of "yeah this is probably unintended and broken", and pursued it. It wasn't malicious really, his group always makes bank, and breaks things all the time, every other time not exploiting cause they never need to.

[gloomy forge]

That is so damn true. But I also feel many times Thor does state when he feels that hes wrong, its just that everything bad is put under a microscope and that anything that may be considered "good Thor" is ignored to keep the narrative up that hes the worst narcissist to walk the earth

[oak scroll]

I think people like the idea of being being right online because it massages the sore part of their soul that they know they could be better people but choose not to. Like, I get it, being a good person is hard, but, pretending to be a good person online is essentially irrelevant since most of the good things you can do will inevitably only reach people in near proximity.

[long marsh]

One can be a narcissist and also not the worst narcissist. 🤔

[oak scroll]

Personally, people should be entitled to their own opinion, even if it's a bad opinion. What matters is actions.

[earnest cove]

Doctor K specifically said that Thor is not a narcissist.

[late bane]

People stick to junk forever, I had friends friend say hes still mad over the wow thing and I was like...your 35 dude

[earnest cove]

so many internet people think they know better than a clinically trained psychiatrist of many years of experience

[oak scroll]

No, it's more than that

They want him to change it

Yeah, but its... his?

Like

he is the one living his life

[late bane]

Opinions cant be right or wrong lol

[gloomy forge]

Many content creators are walking in the region of being narcissistic and having traits, Thor being one of them. Doesn't make him a bad person.

Also I wasn't being literal. Its just that this is the narrative on how people that make anti-Thor videos see it right now. Theres a lot more going on here, like how people percept that Thor is a figure in any sort of authority because he has a lot of followers and influence.

[muted robin]

Armchair psychiatrists are the worst and the internet is full of them. Also no one uses "narcissist" in an actually educational/helpful way and just uses it as synonymous with an insult

[earnest cove]

I think the better question is why must you have the validation of having a stranger be the 'right opinion' in your eyes...

[late bane]

They can still make you look like an idiot

[reef geyser]

But it's not wrong. Anyone can just "say" hey your opinion is wrong so change it. But that's not how conversation works.

[hasty grail]

i think that [REDACTED] is an entertainer and not a good game reviewer

[ocean agate]

opinions are personal and subjective meaning depending on a perspective it can change. so its not right to expect someone to appologize for having an opinion you dont agree with...here is the important part, idc if you agree with me bc this is my opinion

[hasty grail]

how right am i in that statement?

[oak scroll]

If it makes him look like an idiot, just say 'Dude you're an idiot' and move on

Like

[muted robin]

"You're wrong"
We did it gamers debate has been solved

[hasty grail]

(pick your fav reviewer for above)

[late bane]

If one guy can hurt a movement then it wasn't a good movement

[oak scroll]

Like, I am not gonna agree 100% with Thor, or anyone.

[ocean agate]

Thor encourages we think for ourselves not follow his opinion

[hasty grail]

it didnt even hurt the movement

[muted robin]

It's not as if opinions and arguments over things as influential as literal legislation can go in circles for years to decades with both sides coming up with new arguments upon arguments

[late bane]

He hasn't said a thing about it once since those videos

[oak scroll]

Hell. I am not gonna even agree with myself at times

[hasty grail]

the graphs showed THor's vids didnt do CRAP

[reef geyser]

But it's not provably wrong. Again, these are just words. You saying it doesn'y magically make it true, and skip the part where a debate happens. No opinion can be unilaterally invalidated by its opposition.

Otherwise every conversation would just be a schoolyard childish "who speaks first" game.

[hasty grail]

oh not this crap again....

[earnest cove]

Seriously what emotional need are you trying to fulfil by insisting that everyone must be right in your eyes?

[muted robin]

The now deleted skg thunderdome chat alone has demonstrated that it's clearly not an open and shut case

[hasty grail]

who wants to put a mod ticket?

its how you worded it

[muted robin]

I don't think this is moderatable activity unless they start insulting?

[hasty grail]

its the same wording that also results in a number of other people getting banned therafter

[warped venture]

We are dropping this now.

[muted robin]

They're disagreeing strongly but not doing ad hominems, at least not overtly

[hasty grail]

hi Forest

[earnest cove]

the mods have come first

[hasty grail]

anyways

how about those AGDQ runs

[late bane]

Agdq?

[red halo]

Was just about to make a mod ticket

[placid plover]

chat thoughts on this mango emoji 🥭

[hasty grail]

sorry

[reef geyser]

Awesome Games Done Quixi

[hasty grail]

Summer Games Done QUick

[reef geyser]

Quick

[ocean agate]

GDQ, games done quickly

[earnest cove]

aah the 'insult people who question me' mode was activated on that user

[muted robin]

Too orange

[late bane]

[earnest cove]

it... it really is too orange. Real mangoes are more yellow

[muted robin]

A guy does quests /j

[placid plover]

I agree. needs more green

[hasty grail]

https://youtu.be/cirrfl1yQ2c

Blue Prince Bingo

[gloomy forge]

Learning how to speedrun does feel like an adventure though so you're not wrong.

[hasty grail]

great run

[red halo]

They aren't being rude or putting out insults but it's clear that they didn't come in here to be a part of the community and just came to stir the pot honestly

[late bane]

White name last day or something yall are cleaver figure a better saying lol

[hasty grail]

the "go view things outside PS" or something was my red flag for him

[ocean agate]

grass that is really just trees.....so Forest....forest is grass.....so like critically affective to the hate mob?

[hasty grail]

which is why i said what i said

[oak scroll]

I am not exactly part of the community, but I do feel that this whole ordeal is essentially something that while it is important, it is like, inconsecuential in the grand scheme of things

[dusky grove]

Dis i miss one of the crazies?

[earnest cove]

at the very end it turned into an insult

[hasty grail]

minor crazy, dont worry

[oak scroll]

Do I want games to be preserved? Yes. Am I more worried about not being able to afford a house? Also yes.

[ocean agate]

yes but nothing important

[reef geyser]

You're part of it now haha

[earnest cove]

towards me because i asked why is it so very important for them to have thor's approval and that triggered them so hard

[gloomy forge]

I dunno why people are insulting but its what I was saying. Too many people emotionally invested over this. Sucks that it has to be like this.

[late bane]

Part of the ship

[muted robin]

Shhh the mods told us to drop it

[hasty grail]

https://imgur.com/srYsWqk

[earnest cove]

oh okay

[muted robin]

https://tenor.com/view/arting-siamese-cat-gigachad-ambatukam-ambasing-gif-26293326

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-marines-warhammer-40k-w40k-warhammer-40k-secret-level-eliud-gifs-gif-2445507925204055594

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-typing-typing-cat-funny-cat-gif-6677769051907192566

[red halo]

On another note the copper golems are already becoming Sisyphus https://youtube.com/shorts/X7-oJCsgf1Q?si=BVlclIpELYdd9ytc

[oak scroll]

In any case

Have y'all ever used pico8

[gloomy forge]

I'm learning LUA specifically for pico 8.

Also i'm one of the handful on here knowing that celeste came as a pico 8 game.

[oak scroll]

I am making a pico8 game

lmao

[gloomy forge]

and was later ported and remade as a "normal game".

Neat.

[late bane]

She's the polar opposite of him XD

[oak scroll]

I am remaking the game I am making for the 3rd time

Because I learnt a lot on the first two

[gloomy forge]

just normal dev things.

[oak scroll]

About the language

[gloomy forge]

thats how it should be TBH.

[oak scroll]

Plus, I am making graphics nicer

[gloomy forge]

if you can see at your 3rd iteration that you work hard for and realize that its still shit then you reached peak developer enlightenment.

the road never ends.

[late bane]

Speaking of games, I wanna go try that horse one

[gloomy forge]

I want Thor to play it.

[oak scroll]

My 2nd iteration was better than the third, but, the token count is killing me

Well, was killing me

[late bane]

Could send a tts asking i suppose

[gloomy forge]

I'm sure its gonna end as a "the worst he can say is no" kinda meme

[gray fable]

I don't want to sound like im speaking for him, but im certain its been brought up already and he said no because its a gacha game?

[gloomy forge]

Yeah of course but if enough people ask he may do it as a joke

[ocean agate]

he plays gatcha games, up to the point where if you dont spend money you cant advance then he quits

hes played ZZZ and the train one....idk the name

[gloomy forge]

I feel specifically because of the mechanics and all. ZZZ has more "game" if you get what I mean.

[ocean agate]

honkai star rail....

[gloomy forge]

though you can argue against it as well.

I'm glad I don't play gacha games anymore, there should be a new genre that instead of waifus its muscle macho man. Call them Gachi games.

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-steve-rambo-гачимучи-typing-программист-gif-22169647

The thing is, even though I watch streamers play Umamusume, I cannot see the game itself. Its like Eve Online but with waifus.

We will see a Eve Online waifu game in our lifetimes where the spaceships themselves are also cute girls Azur Lane style.

[ocean agate]

<link self destructed>

[gloomy forge]

Not quite but its a good start. In Korea there is a gacha game that kinda blew up because it was naughty and catered to girls quite a lot. If you ever seen a power fantasy mahnwa you get what I mean. Forgot the name though. People online became too naughty IMHO. On the other hand Umamusume seems kinda innocent. Dunno why it blew up on twitch though. Its literally just spreadsheets and cutscenes

[late bane]

I have the same opinion as Thor, they did so much research into the actual horses its peaked my interest

[gloomy forge]

Yeah its one of the sales pitches of the game, its kinda very accurate and faithful towards the irl horse equivalents

[late bane]

Gold Ship is probably my favorite as he was just a menace

[gloomy forge]

ye

[red halo]

They have permissions from the owners of the horses too iirc? Which is why apparently Gold Ship is more difficult to train and is more insane because the owner was like "Only under the condition that everyone see how much of a pain in the ass Goldship is."

[late bane]

Sounds about right

[red halo]

The day he plays Wuwa is the day I am in bliss. Considering that the Danjin Mains are still somehow beating the most difficult part of the game despite being a v1.0 4 star character that loses hp as her moveset is just yes

[brazen drift]

Apparently ONE dude who owns one of the horses in that game was like "yeah, give her HUGE badongas" where they didn't wanna give the rest of them huge badongas

[toxic rampart]

I can see through Big Horse™ and their gambling gateway gachi.
(But fr, it's kinda neat how it all crosses over the way it does. idc, but neat for others to gain a new interest ontop of the entertainment)

[gloomy forge]

Its part of japanese catering. They usually include girls of many tropes.

Its still modest compared to other japanese gacha and mostly korean gacha.

Some korean gacha are just... people play those for specific reasons.

[red halo]

Oh umamusume is also like an Idol Game since I've seen some of the Idol parts of the game. Probably how they managed get the money, to make insanely high quality movies

[gloomy forge]

mo-cap ing this seems like a ton of fun.

[red halo]

The more restrictions you have the more borderline it gets

[gloomy forge]

The commentator voice acting is fantastic, from what I know. One of the male commentators is a real baseball sports commentator and ex-player.

but I could be wrong.

So the energy is right in there too.

It also seems very dynamic since the commentators do comment exactly what is happening which is nice. The game seems to have the production value higher than a fifa game

[gloomy forge]

That actually explains a lot about japanese culture too very repressive people tend to swing the pendulum back in being more unhinged

[brazen drift]

Probably because EA didn't make the game

[outer cobalt]

Also backed by a harvard research kek

[junior torrent]

The hate around Thor reminds me a lot of (and I'm a metalhead so this might not click with all of all) how people go into the comments of posts from bands like Sleep Tokens and Spiritbox and be like "they aren't metal cause they aren't heavy enough and Vessel is too emotional ". And okay? What do you think that's supposed to do? You're not going to suddenly change someone just because you go into their comments consistently and mock them or (worse) call their fans babies or posers. And then you get the whole doxxing thing with Thor and it's like, haters can just, not pay attention to the stuff they hate?

And look, Thor may like he could moonlight as a metal singer with body paint and emotions but he's not sooo

[muted robin]

would love to see the kinds of headbanging he could do with hair as long and pretty as his

[junior torrent]

Oh my gods yes. I bet he could do a good fry scream too

[ocean agate]

its one of those things where Thor matters so much to them they demand his opinion change....meanwhile, the pirates community makes its own opinions individually and dont care either way.....

[river cargo]

They don't accept it even when his opinions change

they don't accept his apologies

at this point, the internet mob just wants to hate

[muted robin]

they attribute him as the source of ultimate evil whose misinformation has taken over the entire internet but.... it's them who are giving him that kind of power by obsessing over him so much

[river cargo]

especially the larger creators who have attacked him

[river cargo]

what misinformation?

[muted robin]

also full offense but (my personal take on the issue aside) thor being popular did nothing to stop him from getting bodied in the comments of his own videos with pretty much all of the top comments saying "this ain't it chief"

[river cargo]

I think you comment would be valid if there was actually misinformation

thor has 3 million subs and is a large presence

[muted robin]

i'm not saying he spread misinformation

[junior torrent]

@ Thor you should listen to Whitechapel lol

[river cargo]

but these people can't even point out the misinformation

[muted robin]

so like my thing with The Allegations ™️ is that people are acting like thor is this all powerful undefeatable bastion of misinformation and malice but like. he couldn't even make people agree with him in the comments of his own videos that are allegedly for his target audience, so how the heck is anyone actually believing the idea that thor singlehandedly made everyone believe "misinformation." when popular opinion was against him from the moment he made the first videos on it???

[fluid dome]

Every month my body hair and facial hair rebel and every time I have to squash the rebellion

[muted robin]

he can't simultaneously be "comically wrong arrogant idiot who's blatantly wrong and everyone knows it" but also "evil influencer who misleads people into agreeing with him and his audience unanimously worships him"

[late bane]

Wait till they turn white

[muted robin]

talking about someone (or something) like it's simultaneously weak, pathetic, and stupid but also omnipotent, insidious, and manipulative is classic scapegoating rhetoric

[fluid dome]

Schrodinger's Thor

[late bane]

I just like his hair and funny voice
Ferrets are nice plus

[river cargo]

In your hypothetical, he still has a large influence over people and can definitely affect trends

The point is that he affected those trends in a positive, not negative, direction

but other content creators refuse to hear him out

[red halo]

everything is basically malicious compliance for that stuff

[fluid dome]

If I had the money and the means I'd probably be inspired to set up a small rescue for badgers/honeybadgers

[muted robin]

can he? yes. in an instance where he fulfilled a niche that people liked and agreed with (make games, anyone can dev). but in an instance where he commented on something in a way that people disagreed with and felt was damaging? no

[ocean agate]

he affects trends for sure. when he left throne and liberty so did 90% of the people trying to get in the guilds.....but the game is still around it didnt shutdown

[muted robin]

sheer popularity alone won't save someone if they say something disagreeable, especially when it's something ontroversial in the very field they're big in

[river cargo]

Tbf, I disagree with Ross on the objective, but I can believe that parts of Ross' campaign was shut down from thor's video. However, important to note that Ross did not provide any proof in the video, despite claiming it existed

[late bane]

I just cant wait for it to be over

[river cargo]

And, at the time, even other content creators like Louis Rossman and Mutahar actually didn't side against Ross

[muted robin]

what i don't like is when people insinuate that merely being popular (or from the viewer end, merely liking a streamer) automatically means everyone who watches you agrees with and endorses what you do. that's how we get purity policing and censorship of people going "oh you watch XYZ? well clearly your beliefs must be ABC and you're harmful and dangerous to be around"

[late bane]

That or for the heartbound update

[river cargo]

it wasn't until charlie made that video that they turned

[late bane]

That looks mad fun

[late bane]

God I couldn't watch that

Never let emotions make content

[river cargo]

Rossman and Mutahar made videos discussing the merits of Thor's points

[fluid dome]

Watching the videos has become insufferable lately solely due to the drama baiters camping out in the comments. The content itself is fine, but the comments just completely kill the vibe

[river cargo]

of course, they, like josh strife hayes, turned when the saw big creators like charlie and jacksepticeye jump in

Thor has a case of defamation against them

[late bane]

Easier said than done

[muted robin]

i know it's a bit of a stretch/big picture thing but for me the most problematic part of this whole ordeal is that now to millions of people we've reinforced the idea that "liking a streamer automatically means believing everything they say" and now there's bullcorn like "oh well you like thor/other streamer so everything you say is just fanboying" or people literally trying to get Thor killed bc they think his opinion is so dangerous that i guess he deserves to get deplatformed via death

it's very disappointing

[fluid dome]

Except he's not the kind of dude to pursue that

I don't think

[muted robin]

i don't think he really has the grounds for defamation anyways bc that's very very hard to prove

[river cargo]

yeah but their lies have done verifiable damage

[river cargo]

yeah death of the author and such

[muted robin]

i'm not saying thor hasn't gotten disturbing shit happening to him bc of this, just that defamation has a narrower scope than a lot of people think

[late bane]

I think he has lost all f*ks to give about it and is just waiting for Dune content

[muted robin]

it's not as easy to prove in court as just saying "people said bad things about me that led me to get harassed" bc there's all sorts of stuff about how you have to prove not only damages but also that there was malicious intent on the part of the other people

[late bane]

And lord above I wish he'd stop doing 24h days, its not good for ya

[south patrol]

It's a testament to how many things Thor has made that people are basing their entire career/life around finding new things to bash

[ocean agate]

and AoC phase 3

[late bane]

Ye

August baby

[ocean agate]

ikr, i cant wait

[late bane]

Im waiting for controller support

Ranger is mad fun

[fluid dome]

Dune content has to address PvP otherwise it'll wither within 6 months

[late bane]

Yeahhhhhh

Problem is

Its working for the gen pop right

[fluid dome]

Personally, I'd have just made it either a separate mode, or have it like a toggle similar to how you can turn off invasions in Dark Souls

[late bane]

They should add more pvp deep desert areas to the map

Or pvp servers

[ocean agate]

"working" ....its just keeping the casuals around since they are farming, but once they have everything they wont be back and the long term players who where having fun might already be gone

[late bane]

I think the worms need to be ramped up to 11

You should fear them all the time

[fluid dome]

Also a part of me hopes Thor doesn't return to Wilds mostly because the community seems to be on fire if the issues are anything to go by. It'd just be more drama I think

[fluid dome]

Does the worm just appear in DD? In a specific area?

[late bane]

Its easy to avoid

Ring mouth should move too

[fluid dome]

I kinda got that vibe with the ornithopter, though at that point why not just let it jump to reach ornithopers

[late bane]

For how big it is, yeah

Imagine baiting a worm in the air to arch down on people

Mortar from hell

[fluid dome]

See, I like to think I have cool ideas for worm stuff but also ik shit all about Dune lore so it is probably ass within the context of the lore.

[late bane]

Thats the fun part

This a alt reality dream

[blissful imp]

LSF again being weird.

However in this case the post itself actually does a good job with giving context. Sadly the LSF users in the comments are...

[river cargo]

Is it doxxing if the user will get banned anyways?

[hasty grail]

ignore it

[blissful imp]

Doxxing is revealing who someone is and their real life location.

[hasty grail]

this is another thing youve brought up

dont let the hate consume you

[late bane]

They stretch pretty far on the tos comment lol

I stay away from LSF, logic black hole

[blissful imp]

i'm surprised no one has reported the sub to get it banned yet. Thor isn't the only person to get hate and abuse from LSF

[ocean agate]

and the way Thor reacted was emotional, and instant. it was a knee jerk reaction. while it may or may not have been the best reaction i can empathize with having a strong reaction over being told you killed an animal you love

[late bane]

All he did was show the name anyways not like he went on a tirade

[fluid dome]

Fighting a worm with a fully gunned assault thopter, except you make it a damage race against other teams to claim the worm's territory after it leaves, you don't kill it, you just drive it to a different part of the map.

[ocean agate]

true, and us in chat didnt pickup pitchforks. we tried to calm Thor down and ground him so we can move forward and get rid of the toxic person from chat

we dont want blood

[junior torrent]

Wilds?

[late bane]

The community here is pretty chill, like we're watching a train crash and running to help while it feels other communities are setting the fuel on fire

[ocean agate]

monster hunter wilds was having some weird shit in the community about not playing "right" iirc

[elder tangle]

Yeah and then with defamation you usually also have to prove they were lying.

Which is kinda difficult unless they publicly admit or write it down somewhere

[junior torrent]

Like how there's some people who play Minecraft and say you aren't playing right if you don't kill the ED?

[ocean agate]

yeah

[earnest cove]

Fun fact, according to California law doxxing also counts malicious exposure of a known public address

Like for example if the person has the public address of a celebrity's home and then encourages people to harass that celebrity, that also counts as doxxing

So saying the "address is public" won't protect them from those charges if they had advertised their malicious intent

[wanton tide]

Not to mention you have to differentiate between facts and opinions. Things like "they are bad" is an opinion and isn't subject to libel or defamation.

[late bane]

Nice ghost n the shell ref

[ocean agate]

you know i heard somewhere that if you put that you heard it somewhere its not defamation /s

[wanton tide]

Objection; hearsay

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-court-objection-hearsay-gif-25461916

[late bane]

Mega pint

[junior torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[ocean agate]

yes, yes i can hear what you say

[hasty grail]

You keep using it, it must be your favorite word

[ocean agate]

me?

[hasty grail]

meant that more in line with the joke

[ocean agate]

oh ok, lol

[hasty grail]

things that were said during the Amber Turd case

[ocean agate]

i am slightly distracted, have spotify in my ears, and a game on my browser

[hasty grail]

no worries

im trying to figure out what i want to do next

more MechWarrior or something else

[muted robin]

Doxxing is actually pretty much just distributing any personal information at all, at least in California (which is where I last watched something by a lawyer covering it)

Like, it could be information that is publicly avaliable online, but going out of your way to distribute it,especially in conjunction with additional crimes like harassment, doesn't mean it's not doxxing

Our information is sold by data brokers in a way where people can literally buy access to your address, phone number, criminal record, and more

[oblique palm]

I wonder at what point did stream chat transform into morals and legality chat

[muted robin]

When morals and legality became topics of the stream I imagine

[oblique palm]

I just feel like every time I pop in here there's an in depth discussion of one of those things

[hasty grail]

its the constant evolution of this chat as of late

starts with one thing and changes into something else

[indigo wadi]

Yet telephone books exist

[junior torrent]

Doxxing is maliciously revealing that information

[indigo wadi]

So why bother even posting this? We don't care. Ignore LSF.

[indigo wadi]

If it was privated information, sure. If it's publicly accessible to anyone then I'd have to disagree.

[hasty grail]

its Zig, hes been diving into insanity

how often has he come in with a "here look at this crap"

[ocean agate]

the void beckons....DO.....NOT.....HEED the call

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-to-stop-stop-clock-time-gif-5001372 @blissful imp

[hasty grail]

tell him, not me

i post the Thor meme and dont say crap otherwise

[indigo wadi]

Anyways, what else has happened today? Been busy with RL

[hasty grail]

not much otherwise

there was someone who got banned

[indigo wadi]

So a normal day

[hasty grail]

called it the moment they uttered one of the lines shit stirrers often use

[hasty grail]

ive been trying to watch Adam vs Everything for his current run of that

but SGDQ going on

[blissful imp]

just be glad i don't share the posts. and don't show the users names.

Also hey its Joji

[muted robin]

Publicly accessible actually doesn't matter in some jurisdictions, possibly many

[indigo wadi]

You just just not post it at all

[indigo wadi]

How would it not matter? If it's Available publicly, anyone can access it

[muted robin]

Because it's about intent to harm

[hasty grail]

oi

[muted robin]

Also I did a quick google and doxxing can be defined as either private OR personally identifiable information

[hasty grail]

i thought we moved on

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-smilng-filthy-frank-gif-6019555

[indigo wadi]

Don't think that covers publicly, but happy to be wrong if that's the case

[muted robin]

It seems comparable to how owning a gun is legal but using a gun to threaten someone isn't. Just because the gun/information is legal for you to access doesn't mean that everything you do with it is automatically legal

Especially if what you use it for is to intimidate or harm

I would post some links but I don't want to spam chat and I'd just be sharing the first page of google results anyways

[indigo wadi]

https://police.tufts.edu/safety/doxxing-and-social-media

Using this, it states private, not public, but it does define intent

[muted robin]

There are other sources that say it can just be personally identifiable information

I actually recently watched a video from a former Floridian lawyer covering California law in which he said that information being publicly posted on someone's account (even by them themselves) doesn't make it not doxxing, especially if it's paired with brandishing a weapon to intimidate them

[indigo wadi]

Hrm...guess it's up to interpretation then

[muted robin]

(If this sounds familiar, it's bc it's tied to a high profile streamer/incident that's better left unnamed bc it goes directly into politics)

[indigo wadi]

Oh I was gonna guess jjjackafilms

[muted robin]

But yeah I sure hope the logic isn't "if it's publicly accessible it's fair game" bc there are literally whole online directories dedicated to collecting people's personal information that you can just buy access to at any time

Sometimes you don't even need to buy it

There are public voter registries where you can literally get people's home addresses. I sure hope that "being registered to vote" doesn't suddenly become fair grounds for people to seek out my address to SWAT me

Or to spam my social media with links to my address in hopes someone else does

[indigo wadi]

Like don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for doxxing, just the Grey area of publicly available info is a pinpoint for me

Now back to my soup making

[ocean agate]

what kind?

[indigo wadi]

Chicken noodles with chicken thighs, potatos, carrots, cremini mushrooms and egg

[muted robin]

do you drop the egg in at the end?

[indigo wadi]

Either or

Helps thicken it

[muted robin]

i've only added eggs to buldak after cooking it so the realm of adding egg to soup is very new to me

kind of want to learn to make those marinated eggs that go w/ ramen

[indigo wadi]

Egg drop soup is amazing

Chicken noodle soup with an egg or two

[indigo wadi]

Without the egg

[subtle gate]

cool soup bro

[earnest cove]

Yup legalmindset. And California definitely counts intimidation and malice with a real address even if publicly known as a doxxing crime. Because in the end it's trying to get people to do evil things

[sick sandal]

Idk how I sent that here lol

[blissful imp]

drg update

[ocean agate]

new playthrough thumbnail?

[blissful imp]

how much money do you have to spend

[ocean agate]

me.....idk i dont follow a budget since i dont usually have anything i want to buy

what you want me to sponsor him to play it? is that what your saying?

[hazy storm]

I have no intention of playing the game but I'm getting surprisingly drawn into the lore of the real life horses that inspired the characters

[gloomy forge]

I thought this was mario world kart at first

If he would touch this game even for 6 hours Thor would forever be "This f- guy " in my eyes.

the faces align almost perfectly too

[ocean agate]

i have fun making these things

[gloomy forge]

you have a face repository of Thor which is both funny and also very concerning.

[ocean agate]

i like this one for division 2

[gloomy forge]

that double chin gets me every time.

[ocean agate]

2 faces are the pinned comments, 1 i grabbed from a post when he went to defcon and the other two i grabbed from some recent clips

but yes, i collect faces i guess

and i sort them nicely

[jolly sky]

Thor is going to personally push you off the server for that one

[ocean agate]

should i have found one dressed in something with more frills....? more pink maybe?

ik ill see about hello kitty, give me a few

[blissful imp]

no. you missed the joke i was trying to say. because the game itself is a Gacha and you put the many faces of Thor on each character in that image.

[ocean agate]

the rule for thumbnails used to be every face had to be Thor

[terse pelican]

you forgot Prime

[ocean agate]

glad i saved the layer version, your right i shall fix

musnt forget caboose

[candid galleon]

i want to own my games that paid for the end.

[terse pelican]

Would be funny if you did Thors Face with a Stache as Caboose

[terse pelican]

Ok 👍

[ocean agate]

......are you saying you have such a face.....?

[candid galleon]

thats all i want smh

[terse pelican]

I don't, but doesn't Thor have one as a Emote?

and also, Photoshopping a Stache on Thors face shouldn't be too hard?

[grizzled pulsar]

forsen

[ocean agate]

7s are confirmed

[ocean agate]

idk, this couldnt be the real forsen

[terse pelican]

Woop. I got it

[ocean agate]

congrats

you gonna do a little dance for us?

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/backpack-kid-backpack-kid-dance-floss-floss-dance-gif-18264451

[ocean agate]

hell yeah

[terse pelican]

I'm just gonna go with Art, even though I've got no Artistic talent

[ocean agate]

its ment to be cursed not good so thats fine

[terse pelican]

Yup

[ocean agate]

i tried to post a pic and it like yeeted itself or something, idk

[golden mirage]

It doesn't have to be great art to be cursed. I think Thor would get a kick out of an amusing stick figure; just have fun with it.

[terse pelican]

For sure

[tight bramble]

Kablooie!! 9 streams straight of gifted yt memberships

[junior torrent]

Question: why is the debt tracker in the negative?

[versed valley]

Thor as ISAC makes me amused

[ocean agate]

he over paid at a charity event

[junior torrent]

...what?

But also, wow.

[ocean agate]

he got william osmond's skull, a cursed roomba, and got his cursed coin back iirc

[junior torrent]

None of that sentence made sense to me 🤣

[terse pelican]

He paid to charities, And the total exceeded the Debt

So now he's got debt overhead

[junior torrent]

Ah. That sentence I understand

[winged knoll]

@terse pelican your time to shine

[kindred sedge]

Shai Khronlud

[junior torrent]

He likes to participate

[fluid dome]

Morning

[junior torrent]

It is morning

[fluid dome]

I'm awake but at what cost

[junior torrent]

Mood. I haven't been to bed and I got home @ 12:30

[fluid dome]

It's 9:12am here and I woke up in a heatwave

[sturdy lotus]

It's perfect...

[gentle mortar]

now watch only on youtube to not destroy the peak

[gentle mortar]

also morning!

[junior torrent]

I'm so sorry to hear that. Stay cool wherever you're at. 💜💜💜🙃

[blissful imp]

it has a demo

[gloomy forge]

Fantastic game btw.

https://www.gog.com/en/game/bloodshed gog link

unfortunatly no itch.io link.

[toxic rampart]

Can confirm. It's fun. It being a horde shooter first works big in it's favor.

And that Deagle is CHONKY

[fluid dome]

I should comm more of my characters

[gloomy forge]

more games should be on itch tbh

[late bane]

Wait it's a gif with sound!?

[spice dome]

[kindred sedge]

Hey at least they are being honest and original

[golden latch]

Love a good apex predator

The apex troll if you will, feeding on other trolls

[kindred sedge]

What was the name of that bot that was trained entirely on heartbound dialogue and occasionally pops up in the stream chats?

[golden latch]

Oscar?

[kindred sedge]

Yea Oscar

[golden latch]

!oscar

Darn they killed him

[kindred sedge]

Thor should work in a little bit of Oscar, or another bot (maybe a snarky one) into Heimdall so we can get funny post ban messages

[late bane]

Call them Walrusses aye?, I can do that

[golden latch]

!wallpaper i forgot about this

[dapper raven]

Check out these sweet Heartbound wallpapers! https://imgur.com/a/Bi0Z5

[placid plover]

I love reading chat and seeing the few trolls that get through and get banned
hilarious

deeply funny to watch them get owned

[wanton stump]

I think he uses hyporbole all the time but I understand what you mean and I even agree to some degree

Btw do you guys think we will get any more Bao collabs? I really enjoyed Bao and Thor on stream together

[stray kindle]

What is the counter that randomly appears in the top left corner? I am super curious about that

[placid plover]

its an automod called Heimdal. each ban increases a level

[azure glen]

Oscar learned from chat and sadly got a bit unhinged, so they had to get rid of him.

[stray kindle]

So you mean to tell me that if it hits level 100 that’s 100 accounts banned?

[placid plover]

I think so. at least from my understanding

(if im wrong, somebody correct me lol)

[stray kindle]

Damn. That’s crazy

[hard jackal]

It's not only Heimdall anymore. It counts all Twitch Bans from Heimdall and Mods.

[hard jackal]

Correct.

[placid plover]

Ah okay. thanks!

[gray fable]

might i ask why we count bans? it just seems like an odd thing to do, even in the name of responding to drama or something.

[hard jackal]

Because Chatters/the Community asked for it.

[gray fable]

that is an odd thing to ask for, but i assume they usually ask for odd stuff like this

[fluid dome]

i may be unhinged with this oc i am commissioning from an artist ive gotten good service from

also she's russian so helping her get money to leave is also something i'm happy to help with

[hard jackal]

Yeah…
I agree with you that it may not be extremely productive, but for some, it also shows that the community and mods are actively working to keep bad actors away. It has both positives and negatives.
In the end, it’s Thor’s decision if he wants to display it.

[worthy ivy]

the goblins are always goblining 🙂

[hard jackal]

Depending on your location, it may be illegal to transfer money for anything to Russia. Please read up on the regulations to ensure you stay safe from any legal consequences.
Regardless, I hope your commission goes well and that you receive a fantastic art piece. 🙂

[fluid dome]

i use hypolink since paypal is banned i think

@hard jackalimagine a hybrid of these animals, oh and hes also anthro

[modest mango]

I think the concern is more than you could be violating sanctions and thus committing a crime.

I dunno if that's the case, but that's how it read to me

[cold sage]

Is there somewhere for youtube unban requests?

Idk what happened

[gray fable]

there probably is

it's just unlikely because youtube's unbanning system

[terse pelican]

Youtubes unban system is like... Horrible, And Thor has said it's near impossible to unban people

[cold sage]

Don't even know why, can't ask the mods

[terse pelican]

If you can still watch, there shouldn't be much of an issue

[azure glen]

You can make a #mod-ticket with your question

[cold sage]

Welp, guess I'll just have to do something else.

Can't engage so not as fun

[hard jackal]

That is what I meant. Yes.

[hard jackal]

Like Aqua said, if you create a Mod Ticket, the Mods will look into your case and unban you if needed.

[modest mango]

No, unbanning on youtube is a nightmare RNG horrorshow so it just don't happen.

Is what Thor has said, quite recently in a stream, while showing off that the system is just "load 500 random bans and good luck!" with no filtering.

[fluid dome]

understood. thamks. will be careful. it just sucks this is happening

[opaque raven]

I'm not sure if Heimdall works on YouTube's side, I suppose yt bans must be manual

[winged knoll]

does crypto fix this

the "Transferring moni to Russian part"

[terse pelican]

Probably not? Cause Technically, Crypto is still currency, and it still falls under sanctions

[sharp sundial]

Jesus, can people make up any more assanine reasons to continue hating on thor? This is starting to get really really old now.

[terse pelican]

Anything just for drama.

[toxic rampart]

Yeah I'm currently working on my car and trying to find a way to blame him on the other Coast

[sharp sundial]

FFS this coding thing has me about to tear my hair out, what an absolute nothingburger.

[terse pelican]

He totally took the hyperloop across the US, Just to empty your tyres of air.

[opaque raven]

Gossip says that he pushed a rainbow down the stairs, pure evil

[toxic rampart]

[sharp sundial]

what a monster... did you know?! He's a FURRY

-gasp-

[toxic rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/Shadoo_creeture/status/1943802860267028958

shadoo🪲🇵🇸(silly creature enjoyer) (@Shadoo_creeture)

blah blah blah idgaf I'm busy frolicking

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[opaque raven]

I heard that Khronos is Thor's vtuber model

[sharp sundial]

Watch the SKG petition fails and they will blame that on him too lol

[toxic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/thumper-game-thumper-2016-ok-that's-cool-and-all-but-look-at-this-beetle-rhythm-game-gif-9456121085975667191

[terse pelican]

In other news.

[wet storm]

Ok chat check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAQFDM5-zLU

[terse pelican]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc This showed up on my Youtube Feed.

[wet storm]

https://doom.p2r3.com/wwwdwwwdwwdwdqi.webp

[sharp sundial]

O_O

[terse pelican]

Feels like you're playing with 500+ latency

[wet storm]

Yeah but it's DOOM on a GIF

Oh I broke it

I feel like one of those neanderthals in 2001: A Space Odyssey poking at the monolith and wondering if it runs Doom

[terse pelican]

lmao

[opaque raven]

Hmmm is that the original Doom? Doesn't look bad honestly

Might give it a try one day, might have aged well

[toxic rampart]

Doom has aged like wine

I am not biased

[opaque raven]

I played a little bit of the one you have a spaceship or something

Eternal

[toxic rampart]

(also if you really do wanna try it you can use either the collection on steam or I'd suggest gzdoom for literally endless modding and wads)

Both options offer mouse look and modernized controls for those born after 96 lol

[opaque raven]

I mean, the game looks great and so fast paced

Not sure if mods will be necessary

[toxic rampart]

That's part of the fun.
Literally decades of rabid, up to this very minute community support and modding.

[high ember]

i'm interested in trying the myhouse.wad doom mod sometime

never played doom (yet) but i love house of leaves

[toxic rampart]

Vanilla Doom is still a great time. But once you blast through it. WHEW BOY.
You wanna play golf in Doom?
Maybe a casino horde shooter?
Wanna make it RTX with full voxel enemies?

You can do anything lol

[opaque raven]

I really dislike horror games but this one might feel like RE4. Nothing is scary if you have a shotgun and a rocket launcher

[toxic rampart]

Yeah. Doom 3 is the one that leaned into the horror for the sake of the new lighting engine.
Still good but is very much spookier.

[opaque raven]

The one I have, Eternal, felt more like Metroid Prime

[high ember]

sometimes guns can be scary in games though

i forget what game this was from and what video i found out about it from, but imagine going through a maze of horrors and then the game gives you a gun

like "wtf is the gun for if i didn't need it for all of that"

[toxic rampart]

Doom is very much a power fantasy before horror.
Tho it did scare little me playing for the first time. Quickly got over it and fell in love.

God I'm old what is happening

[gray fable]

Time

[idle hill]

[opaque zealot]

Our lord cometh

[paper rivet]

Buy him dinner first

[minor nymph]

There ya go

[tacit talon]

[high ember]

i get spooked at skeleton and zombie noises in minecraft
the bar for me with 3D horror games is low lol

[nova bough]

pixels

[idle hill]

Open the screenshot in browser for full res

[patent bear]

It's astounding how people out there don't understand how LinkedIn works...

[minor nymph]

Yep, I've always been public about my work history.
Shits absurd that people think this was some dark secret.

[patent bear]

Or choose not to.

[toxic rampart]

Minecraft is a really cool case study for horror to me.
It has this sort of "Hygge horror" vibe and honestly I love it.
There's something genuinely unnerving about how off it all is.

[minor nymph]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-hall-628b4a9/details/experience/

[oblique palm]

I wish other states had this in mind
All of the laws in mine are based on maximizing evil at the lowest cost

[patent bear]

I sent you a connection invite btw, legit. I won't say who I am there here, but I wrote a note in the invite.

[opaque raven]

I suppose it's less about understand and more about, well...they just don't care, people are just throwing stones until they hit a window

[jolly sky]

Thumperrrrr

[wanton stump]

Hey guys did you know you can electrolyze basalt dust to get iron metal?

Thats pretty cool I think

[idle hill]

that is pretty cool

[toxic rampart]

huh

[wanton stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXEbJKoNWI8

This video is pretty interesting if you wanna look more into it

[patent bear]

Indeed...
The point about linkedin, is that anyone reviewing your "resume" on it can verify it by simply contacting those companies.

[wanton stump]

They are looking for ways to extract resources from commonly available materials in outer space without needing to depend on shipments from earth

Its very cool stuff

[opaque raven]

Ye, I mean, people might even know how it works, they just don't care

[wanton stump]

And its something you can do at home fairly easily too

[opaque raven]

Doom - 2.39 MB

How, just.....how

[patent bear]

The original Doom?

[minor nymph]

Easier to make a million callout posts saying im a liar lol

[toxic rampart]

Laughs in 3.5 floppy disk.

[opaque raven]

From what I'm seeing, ye, what type of dark magic people did in the past to make those things

[wanton stump]

Wait there were people saying thor was lying about his job history?

Why?

[patent bear]

It was designed to run on a potato, because that's all we had back then.

[wanton stump]

Hes like, relentless about saying it everytime, why would you say that when its so easy to prove?

[opaque raven]

To find a crack

[patent bear]

Trolls.

[jolly sky]

"Anything for Content"

[wanton stump]

Like isnt it a meme how he does the same speech over and over again when he describes his qualifications?

[jolly sky]

Good lord is that video only getting more and more true as the days pass

[wanton stump]

Hes always been extremely straightforward with it over and over again

It was honestly kind of annoying sometimes

[opaque raven]

Link pls

[toxic rampart]

I must collect the updoot 🤓 . Something something midnight bacon idk I have a life and like grass.

[wanton stump]

Cause its like "Okay yeah we get it, you did all these things, we know"

[jolly sky]

https://youtu.be/Z1dh49O6LNM

[wanton stump]

Thats like one of the worst things you could call him out on

Its just stupid

[jolly sky]

This was 4 months ago btw lmao

[wanton stump]

Trolls these days are so lazy man

[toxic rampart]

Oh BOY do I have news about a LOT of people that have access to the internet!

[wanton stump]

Dont even bother to make a good acusation anymore

Back in my day Trolls had standards

If you were trolling someone you would call people slurs and then point out how everything they were saying was a fallacy

Trolling was an artform man

This has no artistry at all! Its just throwing things and seeing what sticks!

Thats so lazy

[toxic rampart]

I don't think it's even trolling anymore.
It's just blind outrage culture with a murder strangle on reddit and Twitter at this point.

[gentle mortar]

ye, elevator pitch ready, and also people kept asking him for it. He always answered because he knows that people come and go. Now it's weaponized against him, which crazy, cause they keep misquoting it.

[wanton stump]

Its insane

[jolly sky]

Yea its gone far beyond trolling

[minor nymph]

Instantly lost in an ocean of weird shit

[jolly sky]

Way way farther

[toxic rampart]

I'm laughing but also upset and not surprised

[patent bear]

Not surprising now, all things considered. I hope you find it one day.

[wanton stump]

Wait even his linkedin is getting shit? Cmon man

Harrassing someone on Linked-In is like possibly the most loser coded thing I can think of

[patent bear]

Well given he just said on stream that someone tried connecting with a troll account... yep

Public figures attract all sorts.

[wanton stump]

Im sorry but if you harrass someone on LINKED IN you are irredeemably a loser

[patent bear]

I just tried DMing my profile to Thor, but his DMs are restricted since last time I was able to do so, and understandable.

[wanton stump]

You will forever carry the burden of being a huge dweeb for the rest of your life

[storm roost]

true

[patent bear]

(anti) social media brings faux-anonymity.

[wanton stump]

on LINKED IN dear lord

Just thinking about it makes me wanna give them a wedgy

Jesus

[jolly sky]

As true now as it was back then, and earlier

[wanton stump]

Evergreen

[patent bear]

Precisely this.

[wanton stump]

Even people I respect and like listening to become completely insane maniacs on twitter

I started just seperating them as 2 different people

Cause I couldnt reconcile it otherwise

[patent bear]

I've lost friends due to this.

[wanton stump]

This is why the pvp component of social interactions is very important

You need to have the risk someone is gonne punch you in the face to be a normal human being in a social interaction

[patent bear]

I was good friends with my first IT manager... only for him to talking crap on Twitter, which I thought was just him joke-trolling to extreme levels... only to realise he truly became a fascist and all sorts of twisted. I disconnected from him for the most part.

[jolly sky]

Fortunately a lot of my friends are either programmers, in either game design or general software, or artists and they're able to see nuance

(Regarding recent nonsense)

[wanton stump]

Damn thats real rough

[wanton stump]

Nuance is legit impossible on twitter especially

[subtle gate]

the real stories are always the best

[worthy ivy]

yarp - I will claim with no evidence that Doom has to be one of the earliest games to have a proper modding "scene"

but it's probably true

[wanton stump]

If I could push a button that makes it impossible to be vague on twitter I would

Immediatly

Vagueposting was the bane of my existence

[subtle gate]

I was stuck on Inmate 4859 story from sabaton history

[storm roost]

literally true. I've watched a few over the course of a few days, and it's literally the most rage bait troll thing ever, especially if you focus on optimization. the counter optimization they keep saying to do because "its in the books as better practice" really irks me.

[wanton stump]

ACKSTually I modded pong on an osciloscope so

🤓

[patent bear]

The very moment my recommendations list any of these types of videos, I instantly "do not recommend".

[wanton stump]

Also apparently people dont know what a fallacy is anymore which is weird

I thought you always learned that in philosphy classes

[jolly sky]

It's funny how little "Best practices" actually doesn't bloody matter when you're the solo dev. If you can read it, and it does its job, then who the hell cares

[wanton stump]

But the amount of people that think a fallacy means your argument is invalid is way too high

[subtle gate]

modded pong to have faster paddles? I wouldn't doubt that's a thing 🤔

[storm roost]

i should be doing the same tbh but i get rage baited and then have to type a giga response explaining why their explanation or what is wrong with their review.

[idle hill]

"But think of the other devs, and the modders!"

[terse pelican]

I do the same, Even on channels I would normally watch

[patent bear]

Your reaction is exactly what they want from you, hence just "hide" it by telling Youtube where the recommendation can go.

[wanton stump]

I try to always give it a chance at least

[patent bear]

I'm not taking any on this.

[wanton stump]

Perfectly fair

I just dont like to think Im being unfair and maybe this time for sure, really, definetly they will have a point

For sure

[patent bear]

I don't always agree with Thor on everything, but I support him enough to filter out all this drama and say no to it.

[subtle gate]

I love breaking the balance of the universe I mean modding the game

[wanton stump]

When I say I give them I chance I mean I watch the start of it to see what the vibe is and if they are just lying or using someone else's words

[patent bear]

It's entirely up to you, but just know you've given them a click view.

[wanton stump]

Really couldnt care less lol

Doesnt bother me at all

[patent bear]

They cash in on it.

[wanton stump]

All I want is to be informed

If they are making a few cents off it I really dont care

[patent bear]

Not really the point there... but anyway, you do you.

[storm roost]

is it? I feel like they'd get a lot more backlash from like.. people. Especially with some of the "suggestions" from just anyone that has worked in compsci.

[jolly sky]

There are a few videos I saw, and the video that was based on experience, education and practiced nuance that was looking at CJ's "Code review" was called "'Critiquing Pirate Softwares Critics"

It was actually, genuinely good

[idle hill]

I don't give time or money to people who want me or the people I respect dead 💯
The moment I see Thor on a Thumbnail with a clickbaity title, I block and move on

[toxic rampart]

Certainly one of the earliest and still most dedicated

[patent bear]

2 words (or maybe just 1, depending on who you ask) = Drama bait

Drama sells

$ cash is not the only currency

[storm roost]

drama does sell,yeah.

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/money-dollar-kenny-powers-dollar-dollar-bills-yall-gif-5228113

[patent bear]

I see the thumbnail, then read the video's name, then decide my action based on a combination of the 2.

[jolly sky]

The only people that I used to watch regularly before the drama that decided to cover it, is Josh Strife Hayes

[storm roost]

if its the one i seen, not good at all. (it isnt the one mb)

[patent bear]

There's 2 drama reaction youtubers who I like, who did their apparent takes on the drama... and I've told youtube to not show me those videos from them.

[idle hill]

https://youtu.be/Bayaoi6NnOA?si=d1Li8G40_09-03Nb this one @jolly sky ?

[jolly sky]

The only one that is left*

[jolly sky]

Yea thats the one

[waxen comet]

usually i try not to do not recommend or block any content bec of personal beliefs
usually i reserve it for something like i dont want local news on my youtube recommended

[jolly sky]

The dude comes from a game dev background, and explains why things may be done the way Thor has done it (although is not aware of ARG factor) and points out mulitple times that CJ is coming at this from his programming experience in Accounting, and not game dev

Sorry Finance* not accounting

And also that CJ is looking at it from C++ and not GM code

[waxen comet]

is it that guy who took a look at thors video game

who was it

uh boss door?

[jolly sky]

In other words, it is all dependant on Perspective and Understanding, funnily enough the same aspects that factor into life itself

[idle hill]

"I can code for accounting in C++ which means I can speak for code for games in GameMaker"

[waxen comet]

you CAN sort of gleam on how to code in other platforms in relation to another one unless the language is just too different

been drilled into my head on how to code in C and i can understand python coding and a bit of java but the object oriented coding is still kinda alien to me

[terse pelican]

In general sure, But an Engine like GameMaker can have quirks that you don't know about unless you're actively coding in it, or has direct experience

[jolly sky]

Well, at least in terms of CJ, there are some very basic things he missed due to his lack of experience or knowledge with it

[opaque raven]

Just watched. Pretty good
Oh...4 months ago! This is kinda funny actually

[waxen comet]

which vid was it

and who is CJ

[idle hill]

CJ = "Coding Jesus"

[waxen comet]

all i can think of is the gta dude being told to follow the damn train

[terse pelican]

a guy that deleted his twitter and made a new one when called out by other coders

[jolly sky]

"CodingJesus" (who deleted his twitter like 48 hours ago)

[waxen comet]

kek

[jolly sky]

Read into that however you like

[storm roost]

he deleted it?

[waxen comet]

who dis dude

[idle hill]

Poked the bear and bore the consequences

[waxen comet]

do i want to watch this video

feels like im entering a layer of hell

[storm roost]

no. not really.

[waxen comet]

well im gonna do it anyway

ive seen

bad takes before

enough that it upset me to join a discord to factually prove the youtuber who made the video wrong

[jolly sky]

It does a far better job actually going into detail than 90% of others I previously saw, so it was a bit of fresh air

[waxen comet]

btw said content creator still has bad takes

[jolly sky]

Exactly, it matters nought

[waxen comet]

never trusting that genshin channel again

[patent bear]

The dilemma between dealing with industry professionals, and those professionals exhibiting ego and refuse to relent.

[toxic rampart]

The Slop must flow

[fallow fable]

is this the only topic for the rest of the year?

[storm roost]

i skipped most of that take but i heard the ending "if he was my junior id fire his ass" in reference to the behavior of CJ.

[dusky grove]

Your hair is 1cm too long. Time to make a video about your downfall

[storm roost]

for the rest of like a week probably.

[toxic rampart]

What do you mean?
I'm literally perfect and it's my job to pass judgement on all those around me.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to fold these pizza boxes. /s

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/law-police-judge-cop-dredd-gif-8606130

[patent bear]

There's always going to be a schmuck who'll revive it.

[tribal canyon]

no thats Khronos

[fiery moat]

So, you are perfuct huh AND your name is odd wire AND you folding pizza boxes as a job.

[jolly sky]

Which I chose to understand that from his experience, as he likely saw similar behaviour, or something less egregious than that, and either he fired someone or saw someone else get fired

[waxen comet]

well ive seen like the first take of the video and i do not agree

[terse pelican]

No No, Khronos is Law Daddy, Not The Law.

[serene orbit]

Strawman

[toxic rampart]

Absolutely!
My Reddit Karma is 72354 and I won last weeks Friday Night Magic tourney.

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-monty-pythons-flying-circus-satire-joke-funny-gif-18244401

[terse pelican]

I'm sorry but we don't allow Satire, Humor or jokes on the internet, It's all serious buissness.

[tribal canyon]

so what does that make Khronos to you?

[waxen comet]

most of the time you dont need to write comments on your code
what

[terse pelican]

It makes him Law Daddy Al Gaib

[waxen comet]

did i miss something

was something wrong in my education about that

[fiery moat]

I wouldn't understand them anyway as a German

[waxen comet]

do i have to scrub my omments off of my code now?

[shell osprey]

Only 2/3rds of the way through but so far this guy has just agreed with every point CJ raised (save for the first 20 minutes that was focused on github)

[dusky grove]

Yeah, thats easily the wildest take from cj

[terse pelican]

No, You have to refactor all your codebase so that it's perfect.

[dusky grove]

I am tempted to see what the industry pros said in response to that AHAHAHA

[terse pelican]

All this talk about making a game, makes me sorta want to make one, but also, The effort

[dusky grove]

Get of yo lazy butt and start

[idle hill]

Future me is gonna love past me for not using comments on my code 💖

[toxic rampart]

Yeah I'm sorry. I'm just knee deep in counter troll mode and trying to redirect the hate with funnies at the expense of projecting the image of one of these perfect trolls IRL.

That said I actually work IT and have imposter syndrome like anyone else with self awareness lol

[jolly sky]

Then you haven't got to the point where he mentions that CJ's own "industry standard" doesn't follow the same standards as game dev, and also how little it matters from a solo dev perspective

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/lazy-michael-cera-gif-3619520

[waxen comet]

if anything, id full my code with comments bec i forget what the following lines of code do and i dont want the bother of having to re understand what thing i just did

comments are also super useful when you code with others too right

everyone codes so differently

but explaining what something does is pretty universal

[shell osprey]

I'll watch the rest now yeah, was just surprised that there hasn't been any rebuttal so far. The closest he gets is just to say he's worked with terrible coders in the past.

[waxen comet]

i could find a guy who codes using only letters for variable names

or they use camelcase names

or a mix of both

[dusky grove]

Coding without comments is like baking without a recipe. Will it work? I mean technically it could if you're REALLY REALLY used to the feel of the dough and know what its supposed to be like, but its not hard to write down a recipe

[fiery moat]

You can learn from me! I am learning game dev for like half a year and just act as if I'm already pro event though I didn't even have prior programming knowledge.

[serene valley]

also, you can't relaly transfer your knowledge of how dough should be to someone else without them also practicing a ton, so writing it down for others is also important

[shell osprey]

You can code with minimal comments just by naming variables and functions properly. Just add a few comments in the places where the logic is actually complex

[storm roost]

i dont agree with most videos. like one was saying "use array_length" to set default intialize the entire array and then change two vars. Yeah sure bud, im just gonna have more runtime execution to check the size of an array on each loop (its treated as dynamic under the hood ) and add more runtime execution to specifically change two variables".

or "use boolean as boolean" even though boolean is a real under the hood in gml and it really doesnt matter in C++ cause of implicit interger/floatingpoint to boolean conversion.

Heck, even the suggestion about removing magic numbers, CJ doesnt even explain the impact vs const var, constexpr, #define, enum/enum class for C++ applications nor what is parsed in GML as an equivalent and how it is parsed via Gamemaker.

[storm roost]

i do that

[shell osprey]

Initializing array length upfront is more efficient in some languages/compilers because it preallocates the memory rather than dynamically increasing it as elements are added. It all comes down to being highly familiar with the environment you're working in.

[storm roost]

yes

True, its all about coding practices and books, not performance.

[toxic rampart]

I've been doing my job in various forms for 10+ years and am considered a professional by my peers and those under me with multiple certs in rotation.

That said, I will never not feel like I don't belong where I am in the field despite being damn good at my job when needed.
If I could just turn off the imposter syndrome I would

[nova bough]

my .02 is nitpicking his code is silly. hes a solo dev, his code works and runs on a fridge.

personally, my code usually looks like shit. but it works.

[idle hill]

If it performs well, I don't care how much the code looks like spaghetti 😂

[terse pelican]

^

[toxic rampart]

"They keep paying me. Why do they keep paying me?!"

[nova bough]

i like how my last post was effectively just stated on stream

[waxen comet]

my code looks terrible at times too

[idle hill]

My poor laptop has to deal with 300+ mods per modpack, you think I'm going through each one to make it pretty and making them all work together?
no, I'm putting them in a room and hitting "run", if there are problems I look for those and fix them individually

[waxen comet]

can i send images here or is that disabled

[idle hill]

images are fine here

[nova bough]

they disabled it in the thunderdome because of trolls. so images here are good

[waxen comet]

i sorta code like this lmao

[terse pelican]

Code Leaked, Code Stolen.

[waxen comet]

not like its good

i was given a description of a sorting algorithm and its function

and i tried coding it

[nova bough]

mine looks like that too. but less comments. or one big comment by the first loop.

[idle hill]

You think my uber power ultra AI cares? /j

[toxic rampart]

Okay but as an idiot that enjoys modding and tweaking things, comments like these are so blessed.

[storm roost]

uhoh, you're gonna be the target of the next code review video since the code leaked

[fiery moat]

Alone sticking to smth for 10+ years is impressive in all honesty. Maybe you knowing how much there is out there that you might not know makes it easier to second guess yourself? Like I am happy about every lil new thing I learn but if I would start to compare it to everything I don't know yet I would probably feel devastated

[waxen comet]

to me the lines of code blur out bec of all the text and lines

[flint ember]

Heap Sort??????

[idle hill]

See this is what I mean I cant read code for shit

[terse pelican]

Just use AI, It's the future bro.

[waxen comet]

then i have merge sort which let me tell you
i can hardly understand what this entire thing does consecutively

btw thats not all of the merge sort code

its so long that even when i zoom out, i cant screenshot it in its entirety without it being unreadable

[idle hill]

I will die being illiterate before I turn to an algorithm to tell me what it means

[terse pelican]

Honestly, It depends on how you use it

[waxen comet]

not a fan of gen ai at all

[jolly sky]

"We found leaked code in Pirate Softwares channel, not even his FANS know what they're talking about"

(newest youtube clickbait title)

[nova bough]

be careful using AI for work, jf you work for a company. its too easy to accidentally copy and paste secrets/IP

[shell osprey]

if you're doing algo implementations you should just comment a link to a wiki page or other trusted longlife webpage that outlines the algo, that's plenty for you or other people to find later and verify if your code does as described by it

[terse pelican]

Kinda because all these AI Tech Startups try to pivot AI as ''The next best thing to save you time coding''

when it does the exact oposite

[nova bough]

not just startups. any company's management, really.

[old echo]

Is this about that SNN video?

[terse pelican]

Yeh, ALL Companies nowdays pivots into AI.

[waxen comet]

well it was more like relearning it for an upcoming test about sorting algorithms
we were taught HOW the algorithms work but not how it would be coded

[jolly sky]

Lmao no I was literally making up shit on the fly

[waxen comet]

we also were taught by fellow classmates

[terse pelican]

AI when used for Medical research is a 100% Valid usecase tbh, So not all AI is bad

[toxic rampart]

Oh I'm constantly learning new things. I have so many hobbies and interests that it's kind of mind bending to people that know me. I love finding new stuff constantly and learning new skills.

Even with my own work, I'm always trying to find and learn something new or push new things onto management to keep things fresh and moving forward etc etc etc. It's really ever evolving in tech and IT so needing something new is never a problem.

It's just imposter syndrome.
Can't really do much about it.

I could be working for the biggest tech firm in the nation and I'd still not think I'm supposed to be there daily lol.

[shell osprey]

ah, yeah if it's standalone rather than part of a wider codebase then it's whatever

[jolly sky]

I don't even know who or what SNN is

[gentle mortar]

LOOK, it generates code and we have it in 1 hour! Then you just need to edit it and make it better for 5 hours. So efficient!

[nova bough]

someday they're going to realize that AI is not what they were sold on.

someday

[idle hill]

Ok but how much of the work is actual code and how much of it is debugging

[waxen comet]

i was so defeated by my shell sort code i just wrote how i felt during it lmao

[nova bough]

but management are slow learners

[terse pelican]

Oh yeah, The Management has more time to Stand around and talk, while the actual coders get forced to do crunch, And overtime

[old echo]

Think he said he’s a coder that also reviews code at his job, and he reviewed pirates code for his game

[gentle mortar]

I have few of those

[terse pelican]

No No, AI that helps with genome sequencing and such is perfectly fine, Just don't use GrokMD to diagnose that rash on your arm

[jolly sky]

At this point unless Thor himself has given them the code, I don't particularly care. If its decompiled its not going to look exactly how it actually looks in Game Maker, so either way not a good way to "judge" it right out of the gate

[nova bough]

sometimes you just need to name your method/subroutine "KillItWithFire"

[nova bough]

honestly i dont even care then. like really why do they care other to just have another reason to shit on him for

[toxic rampart]

This and upscaling is pretty much it

[terse pelican]

Ah, Yeah that's also a problem when you talk about AI, It's so broad, It can be GenAI, CodeGenAI, LLMs, etc

[shell osprey]

also how little it matters from a solo dev perspective
I finished the vid but didn't catch this at all, do you have a timestamp by any chance?
In general though the guy just agreed with the coding jesus vid, with additional commentary that he's seen bad code in companies before. Amusingly he says that financial companies don't do that, but uh, unfortunately financial companies are just as prone to bad code too 😅

[toxic rampart]

As in upscaling images etc.
Content aware on mega steroids.
It has been a clutch tool in some projects where you get something that looks like garbage or is just low quality and you need it cleaner for a printing project or something.

[terse pelican]

And Soulless, But yeah it's a tough topic

[storm roost]

yeah thats why i low key skimmed most of it.

[nova bough]

just...gonna leave this here. someone clipped it yesterday.
https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/ObedientGleamingCamelDogFace-nVADRB6GxmUwGMBj

[toxic rampart]

👏 👏 👏

That's what I've been saying.
Do it.
Learn it.
Stop talking smack.

[flint ember]

mfw currently procrastinating working on my game 👀

[terse pelican]

What was Thors suggested order for making a game, Game Doc, Find a game Engine, and then make it?

[toxic rampart]

sigh
If I can get my garbage brain and hobbies and projects in order I REALLY want to jump on learning some Pico8 stuff for fun.
I almost jumped in last Jam but ya know.. life... and 5 thousand distractions I give myself but we don't talk about that.

[flint ember]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[shell osprey]

quant isn't all of financial software though, the sector covers everything from banking websites to magtape archives of what someone bought 40 years ago
conversely, performance isn't always important in gamedev, especially when using a pre-existing engine, but it's definitely far from irrelevant

not that performance is really relevant to analysing heartbound, something would have to have gone horribly wrong for that kind of game to have perf issues

[wet storm]

The secret is to do stuff you like

'cos then you do it more

[toxic rampart]

Oh I know