streamchat

[jolly sky]

Because that isn't his goal. He doesn't want to shut out an entire section of the community that isn't subbed

[winged knoll]

gudluk

[swift gulch]

More like the US is starting to get off work

[serene valley]

at 4 pm?

actually it's closer to 3-5 pm nvm

[swift gulch]

Depends on the job

3PM on east coast, but some early-morning shifts would be getting off about now

[serene valley]

I think east coast is 5 now

[swift gulch]

It's 3, I'm in Maryland 😛

[lyric venture]

East coast is 3pm right now

Its 12pm Pacific

[serene valley]

wait.... my math is off

[wispy plover]

I'm in Cali. It's noon here.

[tough wind]

what happened?

[serene valley]

I'm doing 9pm - 6 hours and somehow getting 5

[lyric venture]

So yeah, my work day is kinda half over (though technically not since I work till 5pm)

[terse pelican]

The Insane Asylum went bankrupt and had to let everyone out.

[serene valley]

insane ragebaiters & haters

[tough wind]

ok, that part I got, I just wanted the context

[terse pelican]

TLDR: Random Youtuber dropped another video about Thor, and Trolls had new fuel for rage-fire against Thor.

[winged knoll]

what's there to talk about again, did Thor said pizza with pine apple good or something

[jolly sky]

Another cringe "Code Anaysis" video

[winged knoll]

bruh

[terse pelican]

Nope, Same old rehashed drama as the last few days ( Thors Coding is 'sub optimal, As such he's the worst coder in the world )

[tough wind]

we should stop hating the pineapple on pizza trend already

[terse pelican]

Pineapple on Pizza is amazing.

[swift gulch]

And this is terrible, because he constantly goes on about how great his code is
https://tenor.com/view/citation-needed-buzzer-button-red-gif-12923947

[winged knoll]

Guys i think you watched too much PirateSoftware

[opaque raven]

I mean, the hate should be aimed at the Canadians who invented this sin

[serene valley]

I've never heard thor brag about the quality of his code

[swift gulch]

Yep

[serene valley]

I've heard him brag about how blockgame is mostly configs

which yea, neat

[jolly sky]

Totally! All the time! He says is all the time

[serene valley]

I feel like the /s was lost on me

[swift gulch]

(Ye, it was completely sarcastic, hence the gif 😛 )

[rigid nimbus]

damn, thors viewership has tanked

[swift gulch]

Not really

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[opaque raven]

This is goblin talk, I don't wanna hear about it

[fluid dome]

I should really get on this list of games I wanna recommend to thor but adhd (idk for sure if I have it, but it def feels like it)

[swift gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

[jolly sky]

Game Dev streams tend to run lower than when he's playing a game. Standard normalcy

[terse pelican]

People are so obsessed with Thors viewership, that he gets free views from it

[serene valley]

also I can't imagine that twitch likes promoting streams that are actively receiving a ton of moderation actions

[fluid dome]

It's free Real Estate

[serene valley]

like, it would make it worse for the moderation if they made it front page

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-rent-free-rentfree-paying-rent-hate-gif-11049964319902154681

[muted robin]

WoW classic players.

[tough wind]

I really don't know if twitch would think about moderators or streamers when promoting them on first page

[wispy plover]

I don't get what kind of knock that's even supposed to be. Like the guy pays his mods, and 4k viewership on a dev stream is more than most people will attain livestreaming anyways. Even if it was true... what?

[tough wind]

Only in exceptional cases, of course

[jolly sky]

Yea, it's just so dumb

[muted robin]

He literally did say "my bad" in a call with the guild raid leader (tyler1) and explained that another resaon he ran was bc he didn't want to lose all the crafting reagents in his inventory/bank. it's literally in the same call people like to clip out of context. HE LITERALLY DID APOLOGIZE AND NO ONE CARED

not mad at you just at people

[serene valley]

games usually run about 5k anyway, with peaks of sometimes 20k if it's a new popular game

[muted robin]

and the reason he made a snide comment and left the call was because after he did that, yamato (notorious for being toxic in LoL) still bitched about how he wouldn't take accountability

[winged knoll]

didn't they promote Hasan Piker or sumthin

but i shouldn't go into Politics

[serene valley]

but also most of the 20k view counts I've seen have been botted by haters which thor then promptly reported to twitch

[muted robin]

it was rude but it was deserved lol imagine thinking a guy who literally went crying to the guild leader like a karen and then nitpicked your apology going NOT GOOD ENOUGH is someone who could be reasoned with

[fluid dome]

Okay so now that I know that a queue exists for tts, I'm less hung up on if thor sees my message, used to get anxious about that for some reason

[muted robin]

oh yeah forgot that part, thor was literally trying to respond to yamato and yamato went 'stop interrupting, can i speak' when he was literally the one interrupting

[fluid dome]

But yes

[serene valley]

it's possible he doesn't get to your message in the queue tho

[fluid dome]

Ik

[serene valley]

but in that case the money gets donated to charity a la #debt-tracker

[wispy plover]

The only mistake Thor ever made during Onlyfangs was join Onlyfangs.

[winged knoll]

true lmao

[terse pelican]

That's the sanest take ever.

Who are you, and what have you done with your average internet user?

[wispy plover]

I was worried as hell when I found out he was doing it.

[fluid dome]

I should play Crow Country again

I should also play Signalis again

[muted robin]

i don't have a link directly to the clip but asmongold's review of the situation has both multiple POVs of the dire maul incident, the cherrypicked clip that was just thor being rude and leaving, and the VOD with more context of thor talking to tyler1 about what happened while yamato was in the call
https://youtu.be/3jUZ6hduhjY?si=H2aiia_5dRt3_zTl

[terse pelican]

Alien Isolation?

https://tenor.com/view/typing-several-people-are-typing-gif-15407184

also,

[tough wind]

Oh, I've seen this part tho. Tyler1 was mediating and silenced the guy when Thor was talking

[fluid dome]

Signalis is if you took isometric 90s horror and injected it with SH2, Ghost in the Shell and doomed lesbian vibes, and put it in space with a neo soviet aesthetic

[gritty tartan]

I don't agree. He met there cool people, like Winky, Kristofer Yee and Annie.

[jolly sky]

And uh, what happened in Tyler1's raid 2-3 weeks later featuring Yamato?

[gritty tartan]

ooooof.

[umbral gazelle]

massively panicked lots of people died everyone blammed each other? or am i getting it confused with another raid

[jolly sky]

Don't forget Redzy too

[terse pelican]

Interesting.

[gritty tartan]

my bad

[muted robin]

also i'm going to be real. there was an onlyfangs incident where a member was fawning over his own gear during instructions and completely ignored them leading to the tank getting basically oneshot, and then when the raid leader called him out he literally said "f you sardako" and was super snide. didn't see him getting mass spammed lol

[fluid dome]

It is so good. Last time I checked it was on sale

[muted robin]

also an onlyfangs member who was literally a sex pest apparently but again. pirate man making bad play is more important

[winged knoll]

[terse pelican]

I'll have to look into it

[jolly sky]

Pretty much, and Yamato did the same thing that he was accusing Thor of doing so, hypocrite throwing stones at his own glass house

And then he streamed only in German for days afterwards*

[gritty tartan]

sex pest?

[muted robin]

and also when asmongold called him out for bad leadership and bad communication he apparently went for the ad hominem by mocking him for "having no family" (asmon's mom died in 2021)

[winged knoll]

a days? how dare he breaking space time continuum

[jolly sky]

Lets not get into that part

PG13 server and all

[muted robin]

but yes yamato is definitely the authority on gamer behavior and when he whines about accountability it's definitely bc he has good judgement and can accurately evaluate a situation

and then he roached on tyler1 during a raid at full HP with a shield on

[wanton stump]

Okay so I asked someone a few weeks ago why they were saying Thor's DRM was stupid since for all intents and purposes, it does what it needs to do, and now they have linked me the recent video of someone analysing the code of heartbound, unprompted, I wasnt even talking in that channel

[jolly sky]

They think they've managed to grab another believer in slop lmao

[wispy plover]

The WoW stuff and all the recent stuff have the same thing in common. The general public does not understand them. It's never about being right. It's about being loud.

[opaque raven]

They are all grown ups! Not kids angry about videogames.
This is what annoys me the most

[wanton stump]

Thats kind of unhinged right? Im not the only one who thinks reply @ing someone weeks after a discussion with a video completely unpromtpted is weird right?

[muted robin]

well wow players are kind of inherently cringe

[golden latch]

They liked you

[muted robin]

especially classic players and especially hardcore classic

[wanton stump]

Bad touch, I dont want that lol

[muted robin]

these are ppl who are reliving their childhood/teenage years vicariously defending their/others' honor over 20 year old game mechanics that they think are an achievement to be able to beat

[jolly sky]

That definitely is odd and weird behaviour, but that's sadly nothing new

[lusty charm]

Especially hardcore classic players who claim to be a definitive voice in how to play their class...

Very cringe lol

[muted robin]

the rest of the hate mob is just the internet being the internet

and honestly? it's crab in a bucket mentality of people seeing someone (PS) get successful and going "how can i ruin that"

[wanton stump]

Like I get that Thor's DRM is very easy to circumvent, but like... Isnt that the point? Its to catch the lazy pirates that just fill it with viruses and call it a day right?

[muted robin]

and projecting things onto him that he never even said bc they're imposing their jealousy of his accomplishments as the factual truth of how he presents himself/what he talks about

[muted robin]

idk how anyone is questioning his coding/hacking capabilities when he was the head of a security team and then was a government contractor for like a year, and also got multiple badges at some super important hacking convention..... but i forgot, people are just accusing him of faking all of that too i guess

[wanton stump]

Cause from what I remember, Thor has always said he doesnt care if people pirate his games right? He repeatedly describes it as a supply issue and when someone pirates his game he usually just gives them a code if they reach out

[lusty charm]

That seems like a really reductive way to be looking at things as they have been happening? Labeling all criticism with a wide brush as a "hate mob" and "Just people out to ruin sweet innocent PS" doesn't seem great?

[edgy oar]

This is literally the cause of most hate mobs. People are just mad that this person is successful and not them, so they want any excuse to bring them down. Happens a ton with normal celebrities too.

[jolly sky]

There are literally forums dedicated to this goal, with permanent endings in mind

[golden latch]

I mean thor denies he was ever part of the fracking five so

[wanton stump]

So calling a very simple and easy to bypass DRM "stupid" isnt really fair

Its not stupid if its doing exactly what its supposed to do

[muted robin]

i mean people getting salty over a 20 year old video game and harassing him for months over that, which is what i was previously talking about, is 100% a hate mob lol

[lusty charm]

Is that the same one that is "Unhackable"?

[jolly sky]

Well, when none of them can provide receipts of everyhing he's supposedly "lied about" and are just throwing shit for the sake of it, with copy-pasted reddit text and drama-slop opinions, then there isn't really much else to go on.

[golden latch]

When it was made it was but that was 2016

You know almost a decade ago

[wanton stump]

Man... 2016 was a decade ago

Wtf

[golden latch]

Yeah time is exhausting

[wanton stump]

This aint very cowabunga at all

[edgy oar]

This ain't cash money yall

[lusty charm]

Was it though? I was just watching this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KtzADIW0tg&t=305s that was mentioning it being hacked (depending on how you choose to view it) pretty much on release or up to about a year later

[fluid dome]

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[wispy plover]

Dire Maul was 7 months ago.
People get over exes in less time.

[golden latch]

Okay what does it being unhackable in the past have to do with hacking it now also thats for heartbound not champions of breakfast

[muted robin]

7 months ago already

[wanton stump]

Thats the same video the guy linked me yeah

[edgy oar]

Jesus it's already been 7 months...

[jolly sky]

See this is the problem, you're watching videos that don't base their knowledge on facts without checking the facts themselves

[wispy plover]

Nearly

[wanton stump]

I havent watched it cause the guy has a genuinely annoying voice to me I cant stand it

[serene valley]

it's called slop news network

why should I trust anything they say

💀

[muted robin]

and ppl were acting like thor killed someone in real life too it's absurd lol

[carmine abyss]

yo

[wanton stump]

I try to give everyone a chance but some people just have voices I hate

[golden latch]

The old “unhackable” claim was for champions of breakfast where the the achievements made the save file.

[wanton stump]

Like Pyrocynical, I have absolutely nothing against him or his content, his voice is just so annoying to me

[lusty charm]

"Mans called Pirate software but is anti piracy why should I trust anything he says" doesn't seem like a reason to ignore opinions?

[edgy oar]

I'll stick to my opinion on Dire Maul. Yamato was supposed shot caller, shot caller said run three times, Thor ran, he did nothing wrong. Yamato doubled back, confused everyone, got people killed.

[tough wind]

From what I've seen, it could be hacked day one (which has happened with champions of breakfast).
You just have to change a couple of variables in game code or even delete the drm part off the code (which is not that hard if you have a decompiler) and redistribute the pirated copy

[lusty charm]

Yes thats what I'm talking about

[muted robin]

he literally isn't anti piracy?

where did you hear that he was sdklfjlksdk

[jolly sky]

He isn't anti-piracy. He has always said piracy is a service problem.

[golden latch]

He has to not allow piracy here in the discord cause of tos

[wanton stump]

He is anti piracy as a personal resposibility and consumer problem

[swift gulch]

He has anti-piracy measures on his games, so clearly that means he's completely against the concept of piracy in every case (/s)

[tough wind]

Wasn't Yamato a noob on the game, tho? Why let the noob be a shot caller and not an experienced player? That raid was doomed from the beginning

[spare trellis]

I think a lot of people think Thor is anti-piracy cus he doesn't allow any piracy talk in this server, which realistically I think is valid because you can get in trouble for it

[wispy plover]

He's a league player. And I think people tend to forget that MOST of the people in OF were not WoW players.

[edgy oar]

Thing is no one let him be shot caller, he just self appointed himself as shot caller and everyone just shrugged and played along.

[serene valley]

discord deletes servers for less

[elder tangle]

Yeah, and it was an example on being creative.

[wanton stump]

Yeah thats probably true, I think he was just being hyperbolic for effect tbh

[serene valley]

also yknow, facilitating crime isn't all that good of a look

[tough wind]

The experienced players doomed the raid then

[wanton stump]

Just showing a cool way to make savefiles

I dont think its an issue really

[golden latch]

yeah, love how people change the meaning of an example for themselves, yeah.

[jolly sky]

Well we've already called out multiple flaws these arguments, hopefully a learning moment happens next

[edgy oar]

The funny part is, no one was really mad except Yamato, who blew it up.

[jolly sky]

Because the whole point was to let people who hadn't played much to game before a chance at different roles?

It's not Thors fault that Yamato called the Scapegoat card.

[wanton stump]

Cause like, theres no such thing as unhackable right?

[muted robin]

Source: https://youtube.com/shorts/lSofMoSdMqw?si=QtevD1ObodwsIsFk
"No one in Brazil pirated the game. Brazil is 20-25% of our studio's overall income now. Even though it's 65% off in Brazil. Localize your game. Localize your prices. If you have an issue with piracy, if it's widespread, it's going to be an issue of cost or distribution. If you have a problem with piracy and it's a couple of dudes, it's usually just jerks."

[golden latch]

Not with time correct

[winged knoll]

well bitcoin was unhackable until quantum machine

[tough wind]

I have a couple friends who pirated the game tho (I'm from Brazil)

[golden latch]

Time

[serene valley]

on a technicality I think with inifnite time it is hackable

[golden latch]

Oh fun did they have the money for it?

[tough wind]

There's people who pirate not because the game is overpriced, but because they really don't want to pay for games

[winged knoll]

technically yes

[edgy oar]

Then the latter "it's usually just jerks." applies to them

[golden latch]

Oh so they fit in the “jerks” category

[lusty charm]

Thats the issue I have been noticing is that everything he says is literal until its not "Oh thats just hyperbolic talk don't worry about it" when (At least imo) that isn't how it was intended, from what I have seen he rarely speaks in hyperbole, especially when it comes to his own experiance or ability

[tough wind]

And you can check this on the Piracy reddit

[muted robin]

Source: https://youtube.com/shorts/44Do5x5abRY?si=q5WM6_ftH3kKc5D0
"Piracy is generally an issue of economics. You either can't afford a game so you pirate it, or you can't get the game because you don't have access to it. [skipping ahead] Brazil has a problem with piracy because economically, it doesn't make sense to buy games in Brazil. [skipping ahead]"

[winged knoll]

heck, with infinite time i can make one of the call of duty myself

[muted robin]

i'd need to go digging in here for the stream clip link where he explicitly says he doesn't care if people pirate his games lol

but yeah. "anti piracy" my pants

[lusty charm]

Hell with infinite time heartbound pt 3 might release XD

[jolly sky]

I've heard him say this today

[winged knoll]

[terse pelican]

With Infinite time, you can have a monkey re-create all of Shakespears work on a typewriter

[muted robin]

also the clip where he says that the resaon for the name of his studio was something him and his friend came up with a whilte back

[winged knoll]

h8crim, mod

[golden latch]

[tough wind]

With infinite time Togashi could end Hunter x Hunter

[muted robin]

ppl just don't do their research lmao and also they equate him not supporting SKG with him being against piracy or hating consumers

[serene valley]

it's basically a big meme

[winged knoll]

now now no S talk

[elder tangle]

If there is a truly unhackable method, we'll never know

Because we have no way of confirming if it's actually unhackable, or if we just haven't found a method that works yet

It works until it doesn't type thing

[edgy oar]

Thor is one of the most consumer friendly devs I have ever seen but because he has an opinion on why he thinks one thing might be bad people label him as the most anti-consumer dev on the planet.

[winged knoll]

There is

[golden latch]

Oh yes make the game only playable on temple os

[winged knoll]

everything on cloud

[muted robin]

Which is basically how that movement has gained popularity lol, "anyone who doesnt agree with this hates games and gamers"

[lusty charm]

See I'm not saying that he is anti consumer, and I'm to admit I may be wrong on the piracy stuff, its not one of my big contentions so I haven't done any digging. I generally just agree with the sentiment that he doesn't fully comprehend what the initiative is about

[tough wind]

solution: fake credentials

[golden latch]

[winged knoll]

including the game itself

[muted robin]

Unfortunately loving it on its own merits wasn't viral enough i guess

[elder tangle]

Ok. What's the truly unhackable method?

[swift gulch]

It's why I hate the title of the petition
"You disagree with Stop Killin Games so clearly that means you want to kill games"

[winged knoll]

ah but then it's not hack to the game but ze user

[tough wind]

Then you're not paying for the game, you're paying for the service and I see that as shitty

[winged knoll]

haha true but it's unhackable

[golden latch]

Okay the cloud is my server

[tough wind]

still hackable, since you can now play a game you shouldn't

[winged knoll]

stop hogging the cloud ser

[jolly sky]

Ross has said this in as many words. Like actually quotable.

"If somebody does not have an alternate solution but they're against our solution, then they're against all solutions"

[muted robin]

Just like the average politician honestly. "Here's my Save The Children bill!"
"But your bill actually has all this other stuff that's concerning"
"Why do you hate children?"

[jolly sky]

Anyway

[elder tangle]

That's not an unhackable game though. That's just hiring someone more experienced than you to do it for you

[winged knoll]

hmm no i mean something like Cloud Gaming, where you actually don't even have a game or a console / PC

you just connect your TV to the cloud and play

[lusty charm]

Source?

[frozen sonnet]

The thunderdome was closed yall

[terse pelican]

Quantum Computing is gonna Crack.

[lusty charm]

Otherwise it just seems kinda strawmanny

[elder tangle]

Cloud gaming still has a game and console/PC though

The cloud is literally a PC. It's just someone elses PC

[jolly sky]

ccoming right up

[tough wind]

You can mod the TV to have credentials to play a game you shouldn't be able. That's hacking, making the game hackable

[winged knoll]

yish

[winged knoll]

like stealing access token? I woudn't consider that hack

since credentials should be verified server side

[tough wind]

you considering or not, it is

[late bane]

Thor stopped streaming and now I have two ferret software instances opened

[serene valley]

if you steal someone's steam login you didn't hack all the games they own??? what?

like that doesn't make sense as a cause and effect

[elder tangle]

What exactly are you defining as "hacked" here?

'Cause I'm getting the impression your idea on what a hacked game is, must be different from mine

[jolly sky]

https://youtu.be/sEVBiN5SKuA?si=mOh6KuqOi8j9etgS&t=113

There you go

[winged knoll]

Exploit to the game itself, not the user

[late bane]

[winged knoll]

i think we are discussing different things

[jolly sky]

And thats the last I, and we should speak on that Initiative

[elder tangle]

Ok, so how does putting it on a cloud stop this? (as in impossible, as opposed to unlikely)

[tough wind]

Not the same thing. Guy is creating a "cloud only" game. So you could only play if you pay the service of getting in the server to play

as a "online only" game

[serene valley]

even then, stealing credentials is not hacking a game

[golden latch]

Oh so we “hack” the server not the game?

[serene valley]

that's stealing credentials

unless you mean you hack the server to put permissions on your account

[golden latch]

Is that the idea?

[serene valley]

then ig that would qualify as "hacking the game"

[lusty charm]

So I think I see the issue you are getting from this and it is valid, but at the end of the day is he wrong? If you want to complain and Not be helpful and Not provide actionable alternatives in the now, then you are in effect part of the "opposition"

[tough wind]

so, stealing credentials to have access to a program you shouldn't have access isn't hacking?

[kindred sedge]

No thats phising

right?

[golden latch]

🎣

[terse pelican]

Being hostile towards people just because they don't agree with your solution, and then dismissing them when they don't offer one, doesn't help.

[lusty charm]

Like I definetly get how the phrasing can come across as harsh or sharp and very us or them so I get where you are coming from

[muted robin]

'they're the opposition, which means we don't value their critique, because they don't want to solve the problem'

[serene valley]

depends, if you social engineer someone then it's phishing

if someone runs your program that sends their creds to you that's closer to hacking

[lusty charm]

This from the "This is shit" guys discord?

[golden latch]

A Debby downer is still useful

[terse pelican]

Sometimes it's better not to give a solution, because you're not sufficiently versed in the topic at hand, Than to give some back-asswards option

[winged knoll]

Leaving very less attack vector as possible, the only thing you can give to the users are game input, which can be monitored since it's online

[muted robin]

literally no dude

[winged knoll]

client based game can be altered to get cheat on like wall hack and stuffs

[jolly sky]

I've said my piece and that's all I will say about it. The 4 day channel had its time for it to be talked about, I'm tired of talking about it.

[terse pelican]

No clue whos discord that is?

[serene valley]

yeah that usually doesn't involve social engineering

[muted robin]

like idk how to convey how wrong "if you're not with us you're against us" is as a line of reasoning for literally anything sdklfjlskdf

[lusty charm]

This one?

[golden latch]

Oh so you cant hack a mmo is what you are getting at?

[kindred sedge]

idk if stealing counts as a vulnerability or technical skill.

[terse pelican]

Oh, I see. You're one of those.

[tough wind]

so, using technical skills and vulnerabilities to gain unauthorized access to a cloud only game isn't hacking?

[golden latch]

“Why does no one like us” is usually second

[lusty charm]

Which means? I'm one of what?

[elder tangle]

And yet, people have hacked Live Service games before, and been publicly rewarded for it by the devs for alerting them to vulnerabilities through programs like HackerOne

[muted robin]

especially when in the video he continues on to say that anyone who doesn't support it and doesn't have a better solution therefore wants to/is in favor of/is assisting the process of games being destroyed

but we don't want to resurrect the thunderdome so i'll just leave it as. bad, BAD reasoning

[lusty charm]

Its not just a blanket "If you're not with us you're against us" statement though

[terse pelican]

You make it sound like Thor is not allowed to have an opinion, but Ross is.

[jolly sky]

If you got presented with a "solution" that broke multiple laws that exist for very good reasons in your industry, you would also be looking at it with a very questioning eye and wonder "what the hell is this?"

And also, Thor has apologised for his aggression out of the gate.

[winged knoll]

But there is still a client, no

[elder tangle]

It's a web browser

[winged knoll]

still a webclient

[serene valley]

that's a client

[winged knoll]

how do i describe this

[muted robin]

"but if somebody does not have an alternate solution, but theyr'e against our solution, well then they're against all solutions. so deductively, that means that they're in favor of perpetuating the destruction of games"

sure lol

[lusty charm]

And the apology is good! I'm not saying its not, but it doesn't make the opinions any less stated at the time

[winged knoll]

Like an arcade game but you are not allowed to touch the machine

[muted robin]

i'm sorry but this is coping

you're coping

[golden latch]

So a controller?

[tough wind]

changing code of the client to allow to touch the machine is a vulnerability

[jolly sky]

Lets get out of the SKG talk. Links have been given. And now I can see the lines in the sand where things are just getting muddy, and there's a reason why the Thunderdome no longer exists

[winged knoll]

You can only touch the controller

No opening machine allowed

[golden latch]

Okay i throw the controller at the screen

[winged knoll]

so virtually no hack can happen, ye?

[lusty charm]

You're more then welcome to believe that. But I don't see anything wrong with someone who is passionate and actively trying to fix a problem he sees in a legal system saying "Look if you can't bring anything valuable to the table, and are detracting and complaining, then I'm not going to be listening to you"

[tough wind]

Hack the client, giving access to the machine

[kindred sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/well-in-that-case-yo-mama-well-case-gif-14405034452477075435

[tough wind]

If the client has access to the machine it's not unhackable

[winged knoll]

That's where i'm getting, if there is no client, there's less window for hack, and everything then can be monitored online

[elder tangle]

Wait, are you saying in this scenario you don't own the machine you're playing on?

That's a very different scenario from playing on a Switch 2, Playsiont 5, Xbox whatever they're up to, or PC

[golden latch]

This can be described in another way as a ddos

[kindred sedge]

Anyone got Heimdall's level before stream ended?

[winged knoll]

Correct

That's cloud gaming

[elder tangle]

So it's not actually unhackable. You're just not in the room

[terse pelican]

IIRC, around 178?

[serene valley]

I saw something like a 137 I think

[jolly sky]

Not exactly but 150+ I believe?

[winged knoll]

Microsoft has this idea before but it got shutdown

[serene valley]

or that

[kindred sedge]

Gyatt

so many hammers

[frozen sonnet]

Was over 150 yeah

[serene valley]

then I prob saw 173

[golden latch]

For good reasons

[kindred sedge]

is that iron fist Thor as your pfp?!

[muted robin]

Sounds like doubling down to me

[jolly sky]

Stop engaging please, we're moving on

[tough wind]

Yeah, because selling service instead of games is shitty

[winged knoll]

well true, but imagine when we have 1 Gazillionbyte per sec internet

[elder tangle]

Cloud gaming is where I own and have access to my own machine, and that machine communicates with your Arcade machine

It's that communication you hack through

[winged knoll]

would be spetacular

[kindred sedge]

WAIT YOU CAN REACT TO PEOPLES PFPS!?!?!?

[tough wind]

THIS

[golden latch]

Okay i ddos you hardware using spoofed spec clients

[elder tangle]

Wait.... we can?

[winged knoll]

But then the communication can be monitored and filtered easier than trusting a game client

[tough wind]

IF there's no comunication you can't even play the game

[frozen sonnet]

Oh yes, Thor the god of Fist

[jolly sky]

https://c.tenor.com/1tRZgqwQSMkAAAAd/tenor.gif

[kindred sedge]

Ye I was looking at Mams pfp here and it poped up

[winged knoll]

i reacted

[elder tangle]

Yes, but there's a massive difference between "unhackable" - and "very difficult to do, unlikely someone is going to figure it out"

[tough wind]

it's not magic, it's not "in the clouds".
It's machines talking with other machines.
It's not unhackable

[winged knoll]

[golden latch]

Like ddos is the oldest and most destructive forms of hacking a system

[nova bough]

"hacking" "ddos"

[winged knoll]

True then, security is a cat n mouse game

@nova bough !

[elder tangle]

I can reply to your PFP apparently

[winged knoll]

[elder tangle]

Oh definitely

[golden latch]

The second is sending unprocessable input that the game cant parse and crashes

[vivid maple]

yeah looks like another useless feature

good job discord

[winged knoll]

i replied, hope my message went well

[elder tangle]

I've replied to your avatar.... did you receive it? 🤣

[winged knoll]

meh it just send a DM

[elder tangle]

Ok. Looks like it's just a DM link. Lame

[winged knoll]

i though it something kool

[elder tangle]

Same 🥲

[winged knoll]

everybody goes home, nothing to see here

[golden latch]

It is the loosest form but its a overload attack much like if i did a electrical surge to a building frying all the electrical hardware inside i hacked by destroying parts i had access to remotely

[tough wind]

yup

[nova bough]

its an attack, but not hacking. hacking implies you're getting in the system. ddos just shuts it down

[kindred sedge]

still funny that discord would add this

[golden latch]

Disrupting services is hacking

[nova bough]

none of those fit ddos

[tough wind]

DDOS is disrupting services

[golden latch]

[muted robin]

hacking seems like one of those things that's more all-encompassing than the layman definition/common use usually attributes to it. sort of like how people think "doxxing" is just hacking people's DMs or posting their personal addresses but (learned recently) apparently even distributing someone's personal information they posted themselves can be seen as doxxing

[nova bough]

well then i just dont agree and will die on this ant hill

[golden latch]

Okay thats fine

[nova bough]

even if im wrong j refuse xd

[winged knoll]

Just shake him, will teach him a lesson

[nova bough]

*her, or them

[golden latch]

Its the same way they try and discredit thors “hacking” skills by saying he just asked questions.

[winged knoll]

[winged knoll]

ok just shake her

[golden latch]

As if phishing for info isnt a valid form of hacking

[muted robin]

social engineering and phishing are literally things i regularly get workplace training on to avoid hacking so

[golden latch]

Correct

[winged knoll]

Thor would say Social Engineering = Hacking

[flint sinew]

[winged knoll]

i would say treating my coworker a beer every friday isn't

[winged knoll]

🥖 toll

[flint sinew]

[golden latch]

The internet trolls dont understand what hacking actually is and only think programming super bugs is “hacking”

[frozen sonnet]

Hi Star!!

[serene valley]

hacking human relationships ig

[flint sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/stepping-back-zach-jobe-donut-media-leaving-escape-gif-21567904

[flint sinew]

[winged knoll]

How to gain friendship 101

[muted robin]

also this is just a hunch but maybe thor can't go into detail about what he did at his government job because of. uh. effin national security and having confidentiality/legal agreements that he literally cannot go into detail

[serene valley]

"hack their work email"

[golden latch]

Now maliciously use that to steal his car

[serene valley]

wait people didn't immediately assume that?

[winged knoll]

i used to hack machine, now i hack people

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/terrified-scared-uneasy-horrified-guy-wearing-spectacles-gif-6473766143414978862

[golden latch]

The classic “evidence?” Retort as if legally he can

[idle hill]

Installs Bonzie Buddy on family pc
Am super hakr

[muted robin]

"mr. software, we demand that you prove your honor in this internet argument. please disclose national government secrets to the entire world"

[serene valley]

this isn't that tank game

[minor nymph]

Dude seriously.

[elder tangle]

Ah yes. Surely the government won't object to that! 😂

[elder tangle]

Hey Thor 😄 Hope you're having a lovely... evening?

[muted robin]

Yeah being a government contractor, esp if you're literally in security, has HUUUUUUGE HUGE HUGE responsibilities for you to be able to STFU

[serene valley]

a lovely timezone this day

[golden latch]

Hope mods see that

[jolly sky]

It's too warm for this thing that people colloquially call "life"

[muted robin]

how to spend the rest of your life in jail and/or never be employable again: blab about your government nuclear power plant hacking job that you are under a legally binding contract (and general common sense "this could get people hurt" ethics) to not talk about

[serene valley]

should call it "melt"

[elder tangle]

That reminds me of that Spider Man actor and all the memes of him yapping movie secrets 🤣

[serene valley]

tom holland bless his heart

[nova bough]

if you blab in non-government about sensitive stuff that will also get you fired real quick.

[jolly sky]

Spiderman you say

You've fallen for my trap card

[elder tangle]

Oh absolutely

[golden latch]

That and blabbing secrets

[golden latch]

https://tenor.com/view/italian-spiderman-mustache-thank-you-gif-14472472

[muted robin]

unironically one of the most vital skills of the modern age is to be able to shut up and not talk about things

[serene valley]

what's the tank game called again that all those people always blab govt. secrets on

[muted robin]

not doing a good job at that personally but yknow, i'm not paid to be here

[muted robin]

war thunder

[serene valley]

a yea

[elder tangle]

The classic "I know something you don't know" hehehehe

[serene valley]

"this isn't war thunder" is a good one

[golden latch]

fascinating got a link (if its tos and #rules compliant)

[serene valley]

ghidra is based

[tribal canyon]

what was it this time?

[golden latch]

Just showing off the meme

[serene valley]

yes

same

[golden latch]

Love the reaction however

[earnest cove]

learning that faking resumes is actual fraud is new for me

[tough wind]

only if you get caught

[earnest cove]

because almost everyone on the internet now tells you to lie about your resume to get employed

[elder tangle]

Well fraud is basically just another word for you lied

[tribal canyon]

im too use to the internet

[earnest cove]

yeah but it's legalese so there are enforcable codes for it if your employer takes it to court

[elder tangle]

Yeah, 'cause employment is a legal contract and that contract was formed based on your resume making that a legally binding document (to some degree)

[split tulip]

you did provide wrong information and possibly falsified documents. not a great plan

[earnest cove]

a lot will insist that's the only plan

because that was how they got successfully employed

[elder tangle]

Well it probably is their only plan 🤣

[earnest cove]

like word it like instead of '2 years of work 1 year of break' write it as '2 years of work' and don't talk about the break

or say '2 years of work 1 year of break' instead of '2 years of work, got laid off for 1 year'

[elder tangle]

Well then another question is who knows their work history well enough to do more than a rough estimate?

[split tulip]

you can ask for documents for hiring and firing/resignation and check dates

[earnest cove]

When my dad worked in HR he'd always call the previous workplace as part of background checks

[winged knoll]

male HR, rare

[earnest cove]

and he had caught people trying to lie their way in. Like say the person was fired for theft

and they don't disclose that

instead saying they resigned

[earnest cove]

Wow I didn't know male HR is rare. To me it's such a norm because I grew up with him around

[split tulip]

you might be able to embellish some, but I would not go around faking credentials

[muted robin]

in fairness i feel like resume fraud is stuff like saying you worked somewhere you didn't or not disclosing that you did something illegal, and not small things like "i only worked 8 months but i'm rounding up to a year bc that's the lowest option on the application" or maybe "i'll put this as a qualification i have even though i only did that kind of project like twice"

[earnest cove]

he managed hotels, btw. Housekeeping and security really need background checks

[muted robin]

but IANAL

[winged knoll]

never worked with a male HR in my life

[earnest cove]

huh

[earnest cove]

my dad caught people trying to lie about there they used to work too lol

[winged knoll]

what is IANAL

[earnest cove]

He'd call the claimed hotel and the other side was "???????? we never heard of this person before"

[winged knoll]

oh, i am not a lawyer

i thought it's something funky

[elder tangle]

bc that's the lowest option on the application

That is one of the most annoying things I've found with applications.

"please tell us x, y, z" but also it's a dropdown list, or has limitations that doesn't fit what you want to put down 😒

[muted robin]

yeah i know

[muted robin]

really makes my autism stew

[golden latch]

Stew 🍲 😋

[split tulip]

I had an annoying application site that wouldn't show my university as an option and would not let me fill in the field myself. those site are just badly designed in general

[muted robin]

i

[elder tangle]

Oh wow. 8 sure is a lot.

[muted robin]

honestly he's probably what the average job is looking for these days

and i bet he worked for $20/hour too /j

[umbral gazelle]

Its absurdly rare for any buisness to hire based on merrit. Almost exlusively will hire on feelings or based on recommendations. An extroverted person with charisma and confidence will get far further than a skilled introvert

[muted robin]

honestly the main thing i've learned about job apps is that if they aren't 1. reaching out to you first or 2. don't respond to your appllication within 24 hours, you aren't getting the job

i'm on month 7 of looking for a new job :( granted a lot of the times i'm only applying 0-3 times per week, but still

still employed so that's something to be grateful for

it's just an annoying bad unethical job

[flint ember]

Solely on merit. It's still important

I agree though. Especially with recommendations

[split tulip]

fun story: a company I know got tired of having their inbox full of ChatGPT application letters so they just stopped accepting them and only ask for resumes now

[earnest cove]

oh chat gpt lol

[serene valley]

chatgpt resumes now

[muted robin]

i always get mind tripped over when a cover letter is optional but not required bc that always seems to me to be a subtle way of saying "we're not saying you need to but if you don't we won't consider you"

also drives my autism insane btw sdlkfjskd

[golden latch]

I mean they have ai interviewers so

[serene valley]

true

[muted robin]

i'm very high functioning in terms of the social spectrum but uncertainty and rules that aren't actually rules except when they are are so annoying for me

[serene valley]

rules that are rules except when they're not suck

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/rules-gif-15588384824679708469

[umbral gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-iroha-hololive-kazama-kazama-iroha-gif-24737640

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-10312546

[muted robin]

and job applications are full of them + you get virtually no feedback on if you did it correct or not besides blanket pass/fail

[umbral gazelle]

no rulebreaking for you

[muted robin]

not just frustrating to autistic people but it is painful

[split tulip]

that is really the worst part. no way to tell you're getting better at it

[muted robin]

oh also not to mention when they ask the protected categories question and i have to ponder which ones will benefit me and which ones will get me rejected lol

[split tulip]

I will herebly follow all legal requirements and terms of service agreements

[muted robin]

i know they're allegedly all for DEI/equal opportunity stuff but. i never ever ever disclose that i have a disability on those things ("Don't want to say") because I Know How People Are

[umbral gazelle]

so you should actually say cause those companies get audited and if its found they disproportional dont hire autistic people they get huge fines. Or thats at least how it works in denmark

[nova bough]

i think you're me. i dont disclose mine unless i have to.

not the same disability, tho

[umbral gazelle]

Not to say im not guilty of it used to always not disclose my autism

[serene valley]

getting a job just cuz ur the "diversity hire" doesn't feel good either tho

[umbral gazelle]

yea. Although its nice when the economics get tough

at that point the stomach makes the descisions

[muted robin]

i live in the US so our quality of life is nowhere near as good as denmark's (have a friend from there and i sigh in envy)

[nova bough]

the only reason i disclose mine at my work now is because ove been there for 15 years, and claiming it gets me 100% wfh. (well. im due to renew atm. waiting to see if they approve it again.)

[muted robin]

also like employers love to ask illegal questions to get personal information that they can use to not hire you for protected categories without asking you if you're in a protected category

[serene valley]

"do you like trains"

[winged knoll]

Senior catto

[muted robin]

but mostly it's bc i don't trust like that and i 100% think that if it was time to do a layoff and they had to choose between a neurotypical person and a neurodivergent person they would absolutely keep the neurotypical one on the basis of "well at least they're not disabled"

[umbral gazelle]

i have heard nothing but horror stories from the US

worst thing in denmark is currently if you want a job you more or less have to be recommended

if you are recommended you get to the front of the job line

heck thats how i got my job

[muted robin]

apparently being asked what you do on the weekends is a covert way to find out if you're religious or not (bc they're listening for if you talk about going to church/etc)

[umbral gazelle]

was recommended

[serene valley]

good luck finding a CS student that doesn't have something wrong with them mentally tbh

[nova bough]

surpringly, not even remotely the most senior. my manager started working at our employer the year i was born

[muted robin]

and if they know you're religious they can choose not to hire you because you won't be available to work on the weekend if they ask you to

also ngl people can legally accommodate you but still be hostile about it in conversation so

would honestly rather just be seen as neurotypical and cope on my own rather than ask for accommodations at work

bc then you get the crab in a bucket mentality of "oh so THEY get accommodations just for having some dumb Can't Focus Disease, but WE have to work harder for the exact same job and that's fair?"

[umbral gazelle]

@muted robin one day we autistic people will take over the world and finally create an utopia for humankind until then we must suffer ;-;

[muted robin]

and i do exceptionally well at work btw

just. you know :(

the US has a kind of working culture where if you have a chronic injury/chronic pain you're not allowed to have an effin chair at the cash register

which i also went through btw. had/have runner's knee and worked in fast food for about 5 years

not debilitating by any means but i was 100% aching by the end of my shifts and doing dishes as often as i could so i could lean my weight off of it

[umbral gazelle]

i increased the income of the company by 20% that i used to work at but they kept stressing me out and pushing me to sign bad contract and wouldnt give me good pay. So choose not to renew the contract and they had no one who knew how to run the machines (imagine only having 1 single person running their entire machine workshop)

[nova bough]

im adhd, the office that i would be working in is "open office" layout. legit drives me insane.

hidden reason why i chose my physical disability over adhd. HR does not take adhd/anxiety seriously as a disability.

[elder tangle]

Funny thing is IT creates "can't focus" diseases by the very nature of how a machine engages the brain differently from other media

[muted robin]

yeah most emotional/learning disabilities are treated as skill issues by neurotypical society

just try harder i guess

[umbral gazelle]

its try harder the neurotypical way. No space for learning differently.

[muted robin]

yeah. and if you could 100% do the same job as everyone else just as good or better, but you need an accommodation to do it, well screw you you're just lazy

[umbral gazelle]

for me it has nothing to do with learning disabilties its the system that enforces one way of learning. i flunked math then had 1 teacher in another school teach me a way meant for neurodivergent people ended up with max score on my exam

[nova bough]

at least at home if i stand up and walk around, then come back and work, no ones there to judge me.

also, its quiet, and my attention isnt interrupted ever 5 seconds because someone in my sight moved.

[muted robin]

i actuually didn't know i was adhd until i was 25 so

[nova bough]

i think i was like...30?

[muted robin]

made a lot of things make sense in hindsight but i genuinely thought that stuff like adhd was for people that were bad students so since i was successful and doing well surely the on again off again burnout and constant stress was just a skill issue on my part

to clarify, not that i thought adhd was fake, but i genuinely thought that doing badly in school was part of the diagnostic requirements bc the only people who were ever diagnosed with it were people who did bad in school

bc neurodivergence is invisible so long as you still conform to social norms/expectations

[idle hill]

Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket and calling it shit 😂

[nova bough]

i burned out in my career because of adhd. then covid happened.

and when they wanted to return to office, thats when i put in for accommodation

[umbral gazelle]

I KNOW i could have pushed it even further i could have made them even more if they had just listened to me and let me get proper maintnance for the machines. It slowly just became worse.

also let me frakking listen to youtube while i work if my workflow increases while doing it whats the problem

i hate that i cant have something to distract the part of my brain that isnt working

[elder tangle]

I'm not sure how much it's even "the neurotypical way".

If you starve someone, they're going to be malnourished. It would then be unrealistic to expect such a person to have the same capabilities as someone that has never known starvation.

A lot of people in positions of power in todays society just don't want to train anyone, then act shocked pikachu face if someone doesn't magically know the job

[nova bough]

this is me, but i passively listen to a twitch streamer.

[muted robin]

I wonder who

[nova bough]

lmao right

[echo charm]

Easier to outsource

[elder tangle]

Yeah, including the teaching part 🤣

[muted robin]

Idk if it's an older people thing or an american thing or what but lots of ppl really hate when you have fun at work for some reason lol

Like you cannot possibly listen to music AND work at the same time?? How dare you talk to your buddy at the same station???

[echo charm]

They do that too. My line of work requires a ton of certifications, so its easier to bring in a chainsaw teacher from outside than to keep one in house, for instance

[umbral gazelle]

also them takes 5 10 minute smoke breaks a day

[muted robin]

Also getting butthurt when you aren't working every minute of every day, usually by the store owner or some corporate person who doesn't even work on the ground

Like 🙄 sorry babe but at some points in the day there are no customers and nothing left to clean and everything is restocked and you can only cook/food prep so far in advance for the food to be fresh when customers come

[echo charm]

Negativity bias. Easier to obsesses over the bad

[muted robin]

Also idle hands lol

Of course the ppl who have nothing to do but sit and nag find things to complain about

That being said I would do food service for my whole career if a place actually offered a livable wage and benefits

[nova bough]

even in IT you cant work the entire day. its like...6 hours on average people are actually productive?

[muted robin]

I love fast food work, unironically just as fulfilling if not more so than all the white collar work ive done

[final pelican]

I'm going to assume from your name that you're an Ai user - Real developers work 12 hour days, the ones that actually want to solve complex problems.

[muted robin]

Brother i could go off about the way my current employer expects us to clock 6.5 hours of productivity on the tracking metrics every single day LMAO

[nova bough]

lmao, not really. i hate AI. i also work in a super niche environment, so it usually isnt useful.

[muted robin]

6.5 hours of work. 0.5 for lunch. Another 0.5 for assorted daily meetings. Split that last 0.5 hour of respite over the other 6.5 hours of work

[echo charm]

This isnt limited to verbal communication. We gleam all sorts of stuff from our surroundings.

Workplace is too cold, not enough coffee, that one weird spot in the ceiling, bathroom feels icky, that one coworker snorts when he laughs, etc etc.

[muted robin]

[nova bough]

this is my name for the memes

[muted robin]

And grt this

It's actually to the point they tell us to spend exactly the expected amount of time on each task bc otherwise if you finish early you're still expected to do the same amount of hours of work

[echo charm]

Often less, because people are miserable

[nova bough]

i mean, fair

[final pelican]

I work in DevOps, can't relate.

[echo charm]

I had a 9 hour day, and I got maybe 4 hours of work done... maybe

Thats just one example tho

[nova bough]

not as miserable as i used to be....but im happy enough for the salary. im speedrunning "retirement" so i can go do something more fulfilling

[elder tangle]

Which usually comes from unforgiveness / hate

[muted robin]

which is actual hell on my ADHD bc it effectively means constant intervals of working for 2 minutes then waiting another 3 minutes so i can submit at 5 minutes to keep my time at exactly the average handling time bc otherwise if i complete at 2 minutes they'll expect me to do every case in 2 minutes bc that'll be my new average

so yay. the literal Can't Focus disease and i'm being trained by my job to only focus for 5-6 min at a time tops

[nova bough]

god im glad i don't have metrics

[echo charm]

Or do something more fulfilling now, but smaller

[serene valley]

I think the average is more like 3-4

[echo charm]

Like a new hobby

Or fishing

[muted robin]

i don't mind KPIs/metrics i just hate when they don't make sense

[echo charm]

Or following ducks around in your local park

[final pelican]

Bring receipts. It's not difficult.

[nova bough]

i wanna do like...charity. and, i put back over half my paycheck. i have like... 8 years left?

[final pelican]

Show what you did, record your efforts. lol

[muted robin]

you're assuming my company gives an F and is open to any alternate metrics whatsoever. it's fully automated and also can be monitored at any time

[echo charm]

Ah, yer dying. Im sorry for your loss

[elder tangle]

Yeah. And problem is they made sense at the time of making them, but they're extremely likely to not make sense once implemented because once that becomes the focus it's no longer measuring what it was originally when they came up with the idea - because now you're behaving differently in response to it

[final pelican]

Okay, so you add it to your resume and move to a better company. Loyalty is dead.

[muted robin]

i've been looking for 7 months

[final pelican]

If it's taking 7 months then you need to up skill imo

[muted robin]

and that's the minimum average time it takes most ppl in the US to get a new job this year

[nova bough]

oh no. 8 years left in corporate america, saving half my paycheck. then ill have enough to fully f-off from corpo

[final pelican]

You used an oxymoron, minimum average isn't a thing. Just go up-skill.

[muted robin]

the average time it takes people in the us to get a new job is 6 months

[serene valley]

average of all the minimums

I would say

[muted robin]

idk how to phrase it better lol

[echo charm]

Hey, who you calling a moron?

[muted robin]

so basically me making it 6 months without finding a new job is the minimum it would take for me to be in the average job seeker's situation

[echo charm]

:V

[muted robin]

is what i meant to say

[final pelican]

I would remain consistent and say you need to upskill. There's plenty of demand in the right areas

[muted robin]

i'm trying. mainly with a certification that could get me to a different industry/get me back into a former industry but with another area of expertise

[echo charm]

True. I moved six hours away and got a new job

Best decision ever

[final pelican]

Certifications mean nothing to employers.

Go create projects on github, update your linkedin with your current efforts/steps for your project.

[echo charm]

Unless they're a stated requirement. Like a drivers licence

[final pelican]

Not true.

[muted robin]

mmmm i don't want to say what i do exactly but unfortunately i'm in a weird spot halfway between writing and technical stuff

[final pelican]

So go learn infrastructure. Build up a homelab, deploy kubernetes, create an observabililty stack

[muted robin]

i could probably portfolio some of the editing i've done for one job if i ask someone higher up for permission but i also don't know if i'm credited as an editor due to freelance stuff

sigh

and then the stuff i work on in my main job literally isn't publicly accessible/shareable data so

[echo charm]

I guess you could argue you could potentially earn the certificates at a later stage, if you got an entry level position

[muted robin]

and then there's times where i apply to jobs that are literally perfect for my existing skillset and experience and don't get so much as a rejection letter

[final pelican]

Still not true - They don't give a shit unless you've got proof of competency. Github, Projects, Self hosted services, etc. Fit the niche.

[muted robin]

i soldier on

[vocal crystal]

pretty sure even remote help desk are viable to get into a company

[final pelican]

If you're unskilled, sure. lol

[echo charm]

And I disagree, cest la vie'

[final pelican]

C'est la vie*

[echo charm]

Fixed it

👍

[vocal crystal]

well ya haha but if people are complaining about being unemployed for 7 months maybe they need a serving of humble pie

[final pelican]

Which most won't because the ego is self inflated lol

[vocal crystal]

honestly nothing wrong with it, networking and knowing people seems like more than half of the hiring processes now

[echo charm]

Or they're in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Could have tens years worth of experience in a field, but if no ones hiring that experience isnt worth much

[shut ocean]

Tbh I don’t really care about the WoW drama. It’s pointless it’s a video game. More stuff that I am bothered by, but it’s just my opinion.

[final pelican]

I think you're confusing personal bias with objectivity.

[echo charm]

What personal bias?

[shut ocean]

Doesn’t mean I hate Thor or think he’s a bad person just my opinions don’t match with his and that’s just life lol

[thick ledge]

simply get a job

its easy

🙂

[vocal crystal]

ya I objectively disagree with that. Any large enough company is a revolving door of opportunity

[final pelican]

Because what you said in that message shows your inexperience with the job market, tbh.

[echo charm]

Fair, doesnt mean it'll be a good job tho, lol

[thick ledge]

i for one believe that lizard butt, the butt chugger, to be an expert on the technical field job market

[nova bough]

with 10 years exp hopefully some networking has been done. people networking gets you a job super fast.

doubly so if the experience is super niche. niche goes both ways - slower to get a job, harder for employers to find a match.

[thick ledge]

[final pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/you-right-gif-26385572

I know it's sarcasm, but you're still not wrong.

[echo charm]

Not if no one is hiring. Networking is a good tool, I dont disagree, but it's not a masterkey getting a job

[final pelican]

You're right there. It's the ability to learn and display your knowledge.

[nova bough]

depends on how good you are

but yeah

you have a point, this job market does suck

[echo charm]

I've been working for over 10 years, so depends on what you count as inexperience

🤷

[final pelican]

For most roles.

[thick ledge]

yeah if you happen to be one of the 4 90 year old men who understand azure, you are SET

[final pelican]

40 year old men*

[thick ledge]

90 year old men*

[final pelican]

Still off.

[nova bough]

hey, one of my coworkers are like 75, still working on mainframes. pretty sure hes going to be working until he drops dead.

[final pelican]

Azure isn't difficult to learn.

[thick ledge]

for you maybe

im learning you are a god king

[final pelican]

Skill issue.

[thick ledge]

who possesses exact knowledge of all things

[echo charm]

Good for him if he loves his job

[nova bough]

yep

[final pelican]

Azure is the first thing when you hit enterprise, dude. If you can't manage that then good luck setting up terraform providers.

[echo charm]

A true love's kiss

[thick ledge]

i have no idea what you just said

stop casting hexes on me

[final pelican]

Script kiddie.

[nova bough]

squints in mainframe

[final pelican]

squints in self hosted Talos cluster

[echo charm]

Is he always taking things this personally?

[thick ledge]

am i still a script kiddie if i dont code

like at all

[echo charm]

Script fetus

[nova bough]

squints in z/OS

[thick ledge]

script fetus

code has just never been my thing

[echo charm]

z/US

[thick ledge]

im more hands on with stuff

[echo charm]

see what I did there

[final pelican]

Support role, got it.

[thick ledge]

theres been a few attempts to chip it in my life

but not all that interested

[echo charm]

Wanna talk about your feelings?

[thick ledge]

i do community management mostly

i did it here for a year

[echo charm]

And how do you feel the community is managing today?

[thick ledge]

well lmao

[late bane]

[thick ledge]

the team thor has is very good

[nova bough]

🍞

[covert lake]

holy hell who scrolled through 800 msgs to react to my gnome

XD

[echo charm]

He sure does seem to catch a lot of flack because of them tho.

The average commenter can't seperate Thor from the mods

Any removed comment is viewed as another thunderstrike

[thick ledge]

dont include a death threat in your "constructive criticism" and it wont get removed

[echo charm]

see what I did there?

[thick ledge]

lmao

when i worked for thor i got a dozen of them

[echo charm]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-family-guy-but-i-wanna-meme-gif-3290713585023367283

[thick ledge]

for me personally

[echo charm]

You want me to think AND behave?! NEVER

[undone dragon]

That sucks. I'm sorry you had to deal with that nonsense

[echo charm]

Did you at least get a share of the booty?

[thick ledge]

-says the most heinous shit- "he deletes criticism personally!"

[nova bough]

or some troll nonsense

or baiting a response

[hasty grail]

insert "mana", roach, or other crap flinging here

[indigo wadi]

My gf moves in 3 weeks from an apartment she's lived in for 18 years. There's so much....stuff...

[kindred sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136943942835908691/1385455444503433306/KlYrxcla-n5rhtJF.mov?ex=687279ae&is=6871282e&hm=982b71ac378831b27a0b0aa1c2798cd7a992a4df932a23f05e441befc8efcd33&

[idle hill]

those who were here early in the stream know

[final pelican]

I joined because of the roach. lol

[winter sierra]

Wat happened 0_o

Or do you not mean this stream

[idle hill]

I do mean this stream

[kindred sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-please-say-selfie-serious-gif-13781982

[echo charm]

But does she know how to code azure?

[final pelican]

That statement was painful to read*

[indigo wadi]

Not even remotely

[echo charm]

Me

[idle hill]

Nooooo you did not just 😭

[echo charm]

Uhm, if she cant code it, then why make things harder by using remotes?

[echo charm]

Thanks

[kindred sedge]

Remote...code.....

hmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/jim-cramer-jim-cramer-thinking-jim-cramer-ponder-pondering-jim-cramer-thinking-jim-cramer-gif-17585988874376198739

[idle hill]

They're making code using a TV remote

[kindred sedge]

YES

Thats what it was

I just couldnt think

[elder tangle]

That sounds kinda impressive if you could make top tier code with a tv remote

[idle hill]

I would not wish that on anyone

[kindred sedge]

I mean, would phone phreaking does exist

[elder tangle]

Yeah that'd take an unnecessary amount of time

[echo charm]

Ive been told Its the only way to get a job

[elder tangle]

AHHHHHH!

[idle hill]

Gdi guess I gotta

[echo charm]

You get the remotes from the github and then program the azure

[kindred sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/well-in-that-case-yo-mama-well-case-gif-14405034452477075435

[covert lake]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-sink-door-open-door-meme-gif-11027748423699535107

same energy

[wet storm]

Me when I run Doom on my TV remote

[oak scroll]

I'll be honest

[idle hill]

You weren't before?

[serene valley]

I'll be dishonest

[oak scroll]

The most annoying part of all of the drama surrounding stop killing games, is that I keep seeing Thor's face on every single youtube thumbnail.
I agree with some of the things Thor says. I agree with some of the ideas presented and still think that the initiative, at least, will lead to having an actual conversation about the topic.

[frosty spear]

Guys I found put how Thor found his favorite mustard, process of elimination

[oak scroll]

My algorithm is ruined beyond what I can do to fix it

[oak scroll]

I guess as honest as humans usually are day to day interactions

[brittle jacinth]

either watch ton of vid about others subject or make the vid "not interested" or do both

[idle hill]

I can make a guess on what the sauces she's asking for are
At least, the ones with odd names
Slide 4: Ketchup
5: Sweet and Sour
6: Ranch

The Eye of Newt... I'm pretty sure that's just mustard seeds

yeah eye of newt is just mustard seed
She's asking for chicken fingers with mustard

[split tulip]

youtubers I've been following for years that never did drama stuff also just decided to jump on the bandwagon. no just disagreeing, but editing it to be as inflammatory as possible

[oak scroll]

They are endless lmao. I am trying to wash it clean by watching Tom Scott's videos on a playlist

And personally, while I think the idea of game preservation is great (as I collect a ton of Switch games in physical, and go to lengths to do so)

I also think that, well, games, as a medium, shouldn't be a permanent thing

Well, not quite. I think that we are fetishizing the past with nostalgia and not appreciating that there are, well, games to be played still

[kindred sedge]

M-mu-MU

https://tenor.com/view/hachubby-hachu-ketchup-pettheketchup-gif-22093826

heh, you thought I was gonna say mu

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-lamar-kendrick-lamar-point-laugh-gif-16412510433795432805

[late bane]

I have seen that too. I blocked them all even Youtubers that I followed for a long time. I have searched out every video and blocked the creator as well.

[indigo wadi]

You can click not interested

[brazen drift]

I had to click "do not recommend" that one slop guys channel. i was tired as hell of seeing those ugly thumbnails

[late bane]

Personally I got more satisfaction blocking their entire channels. I don't ever want to see any of their content ever. Doing it this way also allowed me to find every single one of these scummy channels and block them. I was also afraid clicking not interested would affect Thor's own stuff from being recommended.

[brazen drift]

Yeah that is a concern since half the titles have his full internet name on them

if it was just the three letters/words i wouldnt care

[wispy plover]

The way I understand it is there is "not interested" and "don't recommend channel." which just blocks their channels from coming up on recommended videos.

Edited for clarification

[brazen drift]

yeah ive been hitting the channel one

[wispy plover]

same

[brazen drift]

theres been like 3 dudes who were fairly neutral who put out videos and just a sea of bullshit

which honestly works out because i never wanna see any other content they make :3

[muted robin]

Does blocking channels on YT (I assume "don't show mr thid channel") actually work bc I've heard ppl say it doesn't. Or are we using extensions to block them

[late bane]

They may think they got people to possibly unsubscribe to one youtuber, but they also got me to block hundreds of Youtubers to do not recommend and I will never interact with them. I didn't just block the Thor ones I blocked every react channel I could find as well.

[brazen drift]

so far i havent been recommended any channels that i hit the block channel button

the second that stops though is the second i start going In Depth for blocking

[idle hill]

hitting "not interested" I would assume prevents that topic from showing up on your feed (I've not seen any drama since hitting it on like 6 different channels)
However hitting "don't recommend channel" also helps when it's the same slop content creator making several videos on the topic

[brazen drift]

See even when i click Not Interested EVENTUALLY i see the content i 'not interested', usually via shorts

[hasty grail]

not interested is the topic/idea

[brazen drift]

but i havent seen the Channels that ive done to

[hasty grail]

block removes the channel but leaves the topic and idea to maybe show up

sooo its a combination of both is what you SHOULD do

[brazen drift]

which that is fine, cuz that means i can block every channel that shows up

[hasty grail]

block the drama channels, that you dont want to see
and hide the vid of the channels you like

[hazy storm]

Ive blocked channels but after a few months YouTube tries to sneak them back into my feed

[hasty grail]

BlackPantsLegion had a vid on SKG, neutral dont worry, that i hid but i like his other content

as compared to other drama slop which is an instant block if i know i will not watch their content otherwise

[brazen drift]

Yeah. I can usualyl tell by the thumbnail and title combo if the videos gonna be absolute Trash

[idle hill]

I just blocked every and any drama

It's not good for my heart (not that my Monster addiction helps)

[hasty grail]

mind you, i weirdly enjoy the anti drake drama because that is funny

[brazen drift]

cuz one guy i follow just does a lot of games industry news so Eventually he was bound to make a video. I think he did as good a job as he could have while remaining semi-neutral. he didn't Bash thor, at the very least

[idle hill]

Every single games news channel I followed decided to bash Thor in one way or another

[brazen drift]

I follow exactly One

and i picked correctly

[hasty grail]

which?

[brazen drift]

uhhh YongYea

[hasty grail]

OH

[muted robin]

They kind of need to for self preservation tbh, doesn't make me like it any more but I have empathy for the fact that it's scary to go against the crowd

[hasty grail]

HIM

[brazen drift]

probably spelt that wrong

[hasty grail]

i know YongYea....

hes okay at best

[brazen drift]

yah

I didn't say he was Amazing, but i watched what he put out and he was still 10x better than any of the people ive had to block in the last 2 weeks

[muted robin]

Yea* /j

[jolly sky]

Out of the content creators I followed regularly before and after drama, Only Louis Rossman and Josh Strife Hayes are left

[hasty grail]

JSH mostly focuses on other things

[hazy storm]

Josh is great and i hope he stays that way

[brazen drift]

(unrelated my dinner was fairly good for a first time attempt)

[late bane]

Same here. Unfortunately they chose unwisely. Blocked forever.

[hasty grail]

Louis has a terminal case of stick up rear

[hazy storm]

What did you make

[idle hill]

I don't have any empathy for them tbh
I follow a political news vtuber and she at least does her research on current events
Not following the "he said she said" game

[jolly sky]

Josh is a jacked gentleman and scholar

[brazen drift]

I put a picture of it in #cooking , it's creamy butter garlic chicken WITH pasta added

my phones camera isnt the best, i really need a new phone lmao

[hasty grail]

yum, No Access

[jolly sky]

It's Cooking

[hasty grail]

i figured

there are too many channels here

[muted robin]

But I also think that anyone seeing half of what PS is going thru right now could very reasonably not say that they agree with him out of fear of attracting the same ire

That said there are people who just don't agree with him, and there are a lot of people who are contributing not to say their peace but specifically to farm the hate train for profit

[hasty grail]

and i need to leave some hidden for sanity

[hazy storm]

I would say its Profit +fear of the mob

[brazen drift]

i hid a lot of them but theres still a lot aavailable. im terrible at minamalism

[hasty grail]

for any Balatro players, the current SGDQ run is amusing

[idle hill]

Nah the ones I watched? They were taking the hate against him at face value.
Calling him a furry, a nepo baby, a narcissist, whatever was being spouted about him on Reddit.

They had nothing to say about the initiative.

They do not deserve my view.

[brazen drift]

oh they said at least one thing about the intiative and then like 20 minutes of Not The Initative

[muted robin]

business as usual then

[brazen drift]

its fine, this kinda stuff shows us the ugly people to block

[idle hill]

In a 21 minute video, no less.

[brazen drift]

wheres that uh

[late bane]

I was also particularly amazed at all the anti-cancel culture streamers joined in on the cancelling of Thor. Tells me they were all grifters.

[brazen drift]

Roald Dahl; https://d3ddkgxe55ca6c.cloudfront.net/assets/t1497560119/a/91/b7/twits-prv-7-251309.jpg

[jolly sky]

The death grip of emotions on the brain stem (or money) can make people do some vile things

[brazen drift]

pretty aplicable to all the youtube hate content video thumbnails honestly. you can easily spot the crap

[gloomy forge]

I said this before as well. Its like clockwork

"Never do that" becomes the first person that does that

[fallow token]

Sometimes, people need to get bashed.

[brazen drift]

A little bashing is good, it reminds people to be humble. I dont think senseless, shit-faith bashing is appropriate in any situation.

[carmine sierra]

Not to mention dredging up and twisting basically anything he's ever done or not done into more ammo for the cause

[hasty grail]

there was a line that was crossed, and there is no coming back from it

as far as the SKG drama goes

actively swatting and the VERY VERY stupid things that were said against Thor crossed the line and never looked back

[brazen drift]

Like if thor said something dumb chat absolutely makes fun of him; bro wore a banana costume and let it be plastered in times square.

[gloomy forge]

At this point in the drama its either the group of people take makes both Thor and the initiative look bad for their own enjoyment or just ignorant people who don't realize fully what they're doing.

I disagree with the "bashing" as well but to each their own. People just watch stuff on youtube to be railed up for a cause. Happens for half a decade now.

[fallow token]

Man I've been a listener to thor for like... 3 years now. And recently he says that he never talks about working at Blizzard? Calls people weird for bringing it up?

[flint ember]

This is what I hate about the whole thing.

"His opinion on this thing is bad, and also, look at his code! AND IF WE LOOK BACK A DECADE AGO..."

[brazen drift]

Well at least bashing for me also includes heckling streamer man

[muted robin]

yeah, i think there are ways to critique someone or even to mock them that are within acceptable free speech ranges, as opposed to creating the sort of online environment that gets ppl killed and makes debates harder

[fallow token]

That's the sole basis he has been using for why his opinion is worth anything

because of his "dev" experience at blizzard

[sage steeple]

What? No it's not.

[fallow token]

But now he backpedals...

[muted robin]

i don't think thor has ever said "i'm an authority, here's why you should listen to me," i'm pretty sure he just spoke of his experiences and elaborated on things people asked of him

[brazen drift]

someones been goin too hard in the hate paint

[sage steeple]

This is the accurate take.

And he talks about it when prompted, always.

[hasty grail]

as someone who took a lot of education classes and spent time in a classroom, here is why the current generation of students are screwed....
aka what i can say

[muted robin]

like, someone being talkative about their past/work experience doesn't necessarily mean they're going "LOOK AT ME I'M SO COOL LISTEN TO ME"

[carmine sierra]

Further cementing that the detractors don't know what they're talking about

[sage steeple]

Since now people are coming into chat just to ask about it because of the drama or to farm him, he now comments that they're being weird.

Which they are.

[ocean agate]

his entire approach to things is not that his opinion is worth a damn to us, infact he tells us to make our own opinion

[sage steeple]

This

[gloomy forge]

I feel that this is the actual issue though. Its true that Thor is "just some guy with opinions" but hes also a "very big and far reaching some guy with opinions". The problem with content creators is that they can say every opinion they want, theres at least a handful of people that believe it wholeheartedly. And with Thors confidence, it backfired.

[sage steeple]

Like all big streamers. "What's your opinion on x?" "Can you talk about y?"

[ocean agate]

when people ask for his opinion he says "dont outsource your critical thinking to some streamer guy" think for yourself

[carmine sierra]

Do you expect him to constantly second-guess the position he's presenting and couch it in uncertainties?

[ocean agate]

he will give his opinion but he never declares we should agree

[brazen drift]

If thor had actually worked for a lot of other game companies (since people get pingponged around now, sadly) before doing his solo venture he'd also talk about his experiences at those places - like he does when people ask about hacking and he brings up defcon or working for the government. because that Is his experience.

[carmine sierra]

Because that's an unrealistic and honestly kinda toxic expectation for anyone

[sage steeple]

He doesn't hedge like a lot of content creators. That's his opinion stated in the way he talks.

[gloomy forge]

Yes exactly, but thats not what matters here. In this case, it was content creators vs big and far reaching content creator (wow stuff). the drama began because he was streaming with content creators because he is equal to them.

[hasty grail]

also Thor never followed up on the whole "i will tell people to never support the initiative" just "here are the vids, here is my stance, go think for yourself"

[muted robin]

true but i also feel like equating having a large platform with demanding attention/respect is a logical fallacy (not saying that's what you're doing). like in a sense a person can't control how many people like them so to some degree you can't criticize them for being popular

[brazen drift]

Putting people on pedestles is bad, mm'kay

Thors a Dude.

[sage steeple]

^

[brazen drift]

a dork, even

[sage steeple]

A nerd on the internet.

[muted robin]

i personally find it refreshing that he does it and think that having to constantly hedge your language with "b but that's just my opinion" and "it's just my tastes, you don't have to agree with me" is....... it's not problematic but i wish people didn't feel the need to do that

[gloomy forge]

See, that is one of the problems being a content creator. With great power comes great responsibility and such. I don't know how to solve this. Maybe the audience needs to believe content creators way less. Or simply don't be too emotionally invested into them.

[muted robin]

it's like that dialogue exchange from The Breakfast Club
"Speak for yourself"
"Speak for myself? Of course I am. I don't even speak your language!"

[ocean agate]

he jumps in chat and hangs out with community, even non streamers. plays games offline when not getting views too

[flint ember]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/RichSmoggyMomStinkyCheese-KlsEbudPwd1DumhY

[sage steeple]

Agreed. Speaking with an authoritative, straight forward voice is something I value.

[brazen drift]

and i appreciate insights that he has. but I'm certainly not just going to listen to thor Blindly about Everything because hes one guy. if im gonna listen to One Guy on a subject he better be standing in front of a very large board and begging me to pay 700 dollars for a text book i'll never use

[gloomy forge]

Yes, thats the TB-style of arguing. thats why I listen to many people and not just listen to one.

TB = TotalBiscuit

[ocean agate]

best part is hearing them doesnt mean you have to agree with them too

[muted robin]

like when i watch a video essay and someone goes "but just because i didn't like it doesn't mean that you can't like it!" it kind of annoys me because i just think, of course, i know that, i wasn't asking you for permission, i came here to hear your opinion and compare it to mine. i wasn't going to fold on my beliefs just bc you said something without qualifiers and didn't pay lip service to how everyone is equally valid

when i hear someone say "A is true" i don't put words in their mouth and go "oh I bet they think B is false then" skdljflksd

[brazen drift]

honestly its perfectly valid to say that in this day and age because of how quick people are to just leech onto what others believe and not form their own opinions.

[gloomy forge]

Exactly, but its a problem with many. Its also because of parasocial stuff. Some people think that watching a streamer = agreeing with them and chat at all times or fear being piled on. Happens a lot nowadays.

[carmine sierra]

Then that's a problem with them, not the streamer

[gloomy forge]

Yeah the whole "I like ice cream" "Bet you hate pancakes then".

[sage steeple]

Honestly, I value when someone says that. Because I know I know it, I might know you know it, but there are millions out there who don't like to think. They don't care to research or understand things, some aren't even capable of it anymore. They just blindly follow, so mentioning that they should make their opinions - while moot - is still a good thing to do.

[ocean agate]

that can be determined by the type of following they have and how they have let the chat grow

[muted robin]

censored the swear word bc it'd get filtered out if it was text

[carmine sierra]

I've had several discussions the past few days with people in Thor's stream chat who disagreed with his takes, and they didn't get banned for it
The ones that did were the ones that just devolved into insult slinging once they got pushback

[gloomy forge]

Yeah true, same with me.

[ocean agate]

the community is for the streamer to cultivate, they have a responsibility as the "land owner" in a way

[carmine sierra]

I'm talking about the mentality Dray mentioned

[gloomy forge]

the community isn't homogenous though.

everyone joins a community for certain reasons.

[carmine sierra]

Ye

[muted robin]

but if someone is a blind follower would they really blindly follow someone into doing their own research if they're already a blind follower? it seems like the sort of thing where the people who need permission to have a different opinion are never going to have their own opinion, and people who don't need permission don't need to be told that

[gloomy forge]

and these certain reasons can differ.

[sage steeple]

Like I said, its moot, but at least they're trying to tell people to form their own opinions. Maybe one in a million will.

[gloomy forge]

The worst case in not believing in what I say would be that the streamer says "Think for yourself" and then chat responds "YES, WE WILL THINK FOR OURSELVES" borg style

[ocean agate]

when someone has a different opinion what i want most is to know what facts where used to make their opinion, i value that. their opinion, less so

[carmine sierra]

Personally, I saw his shorts here and there and thought he was chill
Saw all the drama crop up and was initially skeptical, because I try to make it a point to see what's actually going on with hate brigades like this
And the more I looked into it, the more I realized 90% was bullshit and most of the rest were fairly defensible positions
Ended up actually watching his streams and joining here the past few days, and it's been pretty nice

[sage steeple]

Its the sideburns on Scrubs all over again.

[brazen drift]

hell yeah

[carmine sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understand-i-got-it-i-know-gif-22069086

[muted robin]

I think it's definitely my personal personality/set of personal beliefs then lol. i feel like i'm blunt in a way most people aren't, for better or worse

that and i also have that brand of autism that's "i will literally not assume anything unless you directly tell me otherwise i'll take you at face value" when listening to other people

[carmine sierra]

Same yo

[sage steeple]

I am too. Just met too many people that don't like to think for themselves.

Just like to think if there's a chance of waking someone up in the matrix we should try. lol

[ocean agate]

i feel that. i have a hard time talking to people bc they think i am being condescending but i am not trying to be confrontational at all i just am trying to be efficent in explaining (and probably failing)

[muted robin]

so like if thor says "ABC is true" i don't therefore go "he's saying ABC is the only thing that's true" i just go "huh, ABC seems true based on what he said" and the possibility that DEF is also true is still open in my mind. so i really don't get the critiques that say "he positions himself as an authority on everything" bc then i just go "okay, where did he say that? and no, him talking about a subject is not him saying he's the best/sole authority"

[gloomy forge]

I'm more of the person who goes "innocent until proven guilty but not through argumentum ad populum".

Thor ain't too bad, 90% of the time hes has good takes. Thats more than some other streamers I feel.

[muted robin]

but like idk i'm bad at subtext so maybe there is something there and i'm just missing it?

[sage steeple]

This is probably why a bunch of us empathise with Thor.

[carmine sierra]

So many times I've had to tell people to look at the words I'm actually typing and not whatever inference they extrapolated from that

[muted robin]

i just don't like to view public interactions with humans with such heavy subtext/implications/thinking of all the possible ways something could be interpreted

[carmine sierra]

Expanding off what I say into shit I didn't say and then acting like that was my position

[muted robin]

the ND experience

[sage steeple]

They're MAKING the subtext in this. He's not talking with subtext, but they assume it.

[ocean agate]

the what? ND??

[carmine sierra]

Neurodivergent

[muted robin]

neurodivergent

[ocean agate]

oh....yeah i am probably that

[carmine sierra]

I know for a fact I'm ADHD
I strongly suspect I may have some form of autism in addition to that 😛

[sage steeple]

xD

[gloomy forge]

Yeah that is what I think as well, a lot of astroturfing and stuff. Things being overblown out of proportion.

[sage steeple]

Another sleeper has awakened, y'all.

[muted robin]

honestly based on some stuff thor shared in his first Dr K interview (and sorry if this is stepping on any toes) i kind of wonder if thor is ND in some way as well bc him talking about his childhood, learning to socialize, and always stopping to examine his emotions logically before actually responding feels very much like a mix of my ND experiences and what i've seen other ND people describe

[sage steeple]

Great use of astroturfing.

[carmine sierra]

Oh I wholeheartedly would believe he is, yeah

I know that's getting into parasocial territory but like

gestures broadly

[gloomy forge]

I feel a lot of youtubers just want the drama money. Kinda weird but I hope things be calming down again.

[muted robin]

also insert obligatory "well of course he's neurodivergent he's a programmer" joke

[carmine sierra]

[ocean agate]

.....(in a hush tone) you can see he rocks in his seat sometimes if you watch the screen move up and down

[flint ember]

https://tenor.com/view/i-take-great-offense-kenan-thompson-saturday-night-live-im-offended-i-take-offense-to-that-gif-25915867

[carmine sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/offended-agree-gif-18718132

[sage steeple]

He also bounces his legs and then rationalised it.

[flint ember]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[gloomy forge]

Sometimes its also selfawareness. don't conflict that.

[sage steeple]

Conflate?

[gloomy forge]

You're also breathing manually now.

Ye.

[carmine sierra]

I still remember one time our QA guy came over to tell me about a bug
I pulled up the logs, scanned them for like five seconds to find the source, hopped to that in Eclipse, and traced it back through like five files before finding the exact cause of it and putting in a fix within like two minutes while he was standing behind me
And he just goes
"...Did you actually read any of that, or did you just intuit the code by vibes?"

[sage steeple]

And yeah, he has a good reason so he does it now with intention, but its not technically a way we say to avoid DVTs. xD

[ocean agate]

you think i stop?