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[frosty spear]

https://youtu.be/qs8HpeD0UyM this somehow decent and level headed. A bit of weird rethoric with "you shouldn't care what it stands for you should just sign the petition"(not in these exacts words mind you) and also the "it intends to" crap which I'll say again you can intend to do anything but if not put on paper it's useless

[gray iris]

Imagine turning an MMO into a single player game, player economy, who needs that???

[undone hatch]

How do you give an end date to counter strike or fortnite or league of legends? Could be never, could be in a year. Depends on the players. Shit, I stopped playing heroes of the storm years ago because "the game was dying" but that SOB is still going

[lunar moth]

Yes, but according to Scott... they don't - that's him stating that verbatim.
This is why we know that his initiative has nothing to do with consumer rights or even preservation - it is just him wanting the development of some games to be fully outlawed because he doesn't like those games existing. We can literally prove this by referencing what he has said.

[gloomy forge]

"Bro I just beaten Ornstein and Smough in Dark Souls."
"Grow up kid, to get on my level you have to learn IT first, come back once you've beaten COBOL and FORTRAN."

[haughty crow]

The Crew menu about to be so fire.

[jolly sky]

Keeping this one in the back pocket of the notepad.exe

[proper phoenix]

I mean not really ? If u talking ab sony removing the country ban lists its not them seeing the boycott ( which wasnt many bc most didnt even have access to the game bc they are in one if the ban country. I know bc im one of them)
Its more so they realise that "oh shet , maybe not allowing 173 country to buy our game might put a dent in our revenue "

[livid path]

That’s all I could find tho, even then it doesn’t seem to be super clear on the definition itself

[wanton silo]

Thor's main point is really hard to argue with "Vague definitions are bad and have unintended consequences" and STILL they're acting like he's the devil incarnate, for pointing out, maybe this isn't the best way to go about it. And all these people being cynical about Thor are placing enormous unearned faith with legislators to be subject matter experts and get this right.

[misty umbra]

i wish i was a lawyer + expert software engineer with 10+ experience in EA, would be an epic insight to share

[steep surge]

oh, I know. I was just pointing it out that the Helldiver's change (A year ago with the negative reviews and now the un-banning of countries) shows that they do infact work

[umbral halo]

They can easily do recurring agreements. People just won't be paying for them

[jolly sky]

Local man was asked his opinion, and voices his concerns from a developer point of view in an industry he has knowledge and experience in

"BURN THE HERETIC"

[indigo wadi]

this line of thinking won't ever be flawed or work

[lunar moth]

I can do you one better; he stated these things as clarifications of what he claimed were misconceptions or misconstrued arguments or logic - these three things is him clarifying that this is what the movement is about. At which point we can just follow it logically and make a sound conclusion based on what he has openly said, so... yeah.

[gray iris]

Also SKG doesn't do anything for the current games, so you have to wait a decade for the first games fall under SKG xd

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-butcher-burn-gif-24189462

[spare topaz]

the best definition direct from the EU is that a video games are "complex creative works with a unique and creative value" with directives attached that suggest they are protected by 2009/24/EC and 2001/29/EC as both creative works and computer programs respectively. You can find this exerpt under point D in this resolution:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2022-0388_EN.html

[steep surge]

yes, but a boycott would do the same thing. It would put a dent in their revenue, which is what a boycott ultimately does.
Also the stuff a year ago when everyone wrote negative reviews and didn't play it no more worked aswell (somewhat)

[wanton silo]

Boycotts work... IF. IF there's enough boycotting, that hurts them, AND if your desired outcome is also the path of least resistance. Maybe they just shut down the game in response to criticism. Wouldn't be out the ordinary for smaller outfits.

[steep surge]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-40k-spacemarine2-heresy-heretic-gif-15781539930698202487

[haughty crow]

Since he was a security guy at Blizzard, I wonder what he would have to say about the compliance side of that.

[high ember]

yup
like a visual novel is a game
is an online reader for a book a game, since you can flip the pages with a button? is Youtube just a large MMO?

[haughty crow]

Ig that’s still a different department though.

[frosty spear]

Also reason why I watched is because I thought it was second wind then I remembered this guy also covered the Thor dmca thing but yeah surprisingly while a bit ...(Like he tries to reasure but with the vague response it give it doesn't do much of that) he at least acknowledge the concerned shared by Thor and other developer

[dire burrow]

Notepad++ is a game then?

[livid path]

I mean if you really think about, an operating system is a video game

[jolly sky]

Yea and he worked on RED team which is also a different layer away from it

[undone hatch]

But what is the benefit of that though? Okay so a box pops up once a year telling me "CS is going another year" and i hit OK. One year that doesn't pop up, I won't think about until I see in the news "CS is shutting down" and I'll be bummed out about that, but the box I clicked won't have meant anything to me either way

[green plank]

i think content creators should be forced by law to keep there youtubes videos uploaded since you can become a paid member on there channel 🙃

[worthy ivy]

depends how you use it

[serene valley]

there's no way that either releasing server binaries or source code doesn't impact security at least the slightest bit, because bugs sneak in and if you can just look at what the server does directly then reverse engineering stuff becomes way easier

not that I can put an actual number how much impact though

[green plank]

wouldnt wanna "lose the art" right

[high ember]

Similarities between Youtube and WoW:
-Accounts
-Takes way too much of your spare time
-Drama
-Not enough grass touching

[worthy ivy]

we can play notepad++ tic-tac-toe? then is game

[frozen sonnet]

Oh shit real

[steep surge]

Yes. As I have said. Voting with your wallet does work. They'll learn if their revenue is hit enough.

[worthy ivy]

notepad hangman!! 🙂

[dire burrow]

You can play hangman in notepad++

[worthy ivy]

braincell moment

[dire burrow]

we share them :)

[jolly sky]

LMAO that's a funny analogy for it

[serene valley]

please submit your server backend for review

[haughty crow]

I didn’t even think about that. Some companies also have their own software libraries that they’d have to somehow deal with.

[high ember]

wouldn't that make notepad++ a game engine or console?

[spare topaz]

I'll have to look at the other directives cited, but it appears that there was a high court ruling that established video games as being a distinct entity, but i am having difficulty finding a clear definition - gimme 2 more ticks and i will read up on those directives and the high court judgement and see what they say

[worthy ivy]

something about great minds

[thick ledge]

problem with this approach is that like 80% of the consumer base here just doesnt care at all

[livid path]

Like seriously I can’t think of a reason an operating system wouldn’t fall under the classification of a video game

[proper phoenix]

Yes but in sony case and many cases, boycott dont work that well. It need a set of conditions to work and in sony cases, werent enough

[limber gulch]

Hangman isn't a video game either, much older than video games

[lunar moth]

Not if one of you is an orange cat, because then you'd only have one - so you'd have to verify first that neither one of you two is an orange kitty c(:

[worthy ivy]

get right on that boss

[wanton silo]

Yeah and the weirdly personal attacks about him saying he worked at Blizz. It's called an introduction, it gives the viewer context and his expertise. Half the videos ATTACKING him start with "I'm a developer for hell divers and I think Thor's dumb". I saw one video criticising him for drawing boxes in paint... From a channel I normally like! That's a useful communication tool! It's simple and accessible! And have you heard of ad hominem (spelling? 😅)

[livid path]

So solitaire on your pc isn’t a video game?

[dire burrow]

Well that raises another question. Is a game engine a game?

[green plank]

your telling me, i spend 10$ a month of my hard earned money for this content, and these greedy youtubers and just gonna screw over there consumers by removing there past work :[

[serene valley]

to be fair though, security through obscurity isn't security at all, but it would be much easier to find bugs to exploit

[umbral halo]

That's not at all what we're talking about lmao. The service agreement, again using WoW as an example, is your license. You have service for 1 month as per the agreement. If they just do a monthly license like subscription service games do, they avoid the issue entirely. This also doesn't attack already existing games, so those all can just keep doing what they're doing

[proper phoenix]

Ye this, like i would still play helldiver right now if my country werent in the 173 ban list

[gray iris]

I also wonder how all of this will be enforced.
My guess is not actively enforced, until some EU citizen decided to sue...
That makes it even less viable/worth while imo.

[jolly sky]

Oh thats over now

[dire burrow]

They removed almost all countries on the ban list

[jolly sky]

You can play it

[proper phoenix]

Oh my country is still in the last few

[serene valley]

unless you live in one of the 6 banned countries

[lapis flame]

well the example game the engine ships with certainly is, right?

[proper phoenix]

[worthy ivy]

will SKG cover game engines? you could get round it by selling people an engine and selling them an asset pack and then giving them instructions on how to marry the two

"I didn't sell them a game, I just sold an asset pack and a game engine"

[limber gulch]

Ok fair, but that used actual code. Hangman on a word editor is people just writing stuff down

[lapis panther]

Boycotts only work when people actually stand fast. Need I remind people about the Modern Warfare 2 (the original one) boycott?

[high ember]

oh yeah
that absolutely fits lol

[earnest mirage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3VoEyaqMoc

[haughty crow]

Whoever sunk 1000037373 hours into the shut down game will absolutely sue though.

[wanton silo]

I know, you're not wrong. Just, hard to get critical mass and it can sometimes backfire.

[worthy ivy]

1000 iq moment am genius 🙂

[livid path]

Ok, I was gonna kill apex legends later but I won’t, just for you

[lapis flame]

please dont kill Apex Legends

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[frozen sonnet]

I’m gonna kill even more games now

[silver parrot]

What’s the drama abt stop killing games..? My freinds just keep shitting on pirate software but I don’t know the story.

[proper phoenix]

My country is still in tue last few country that is still banned
im beyond cooked

[lapis flame]

its the last popular FPS i like

[serene valley]

uhhhhh you could probably run doom on just the game editor if you wanted to

[jolly sky]

Oh, you live in one of the still 6 banned countries? That's uh...

well that unfortunate

[livid path]

Ok but notepad is also code. So what’s really the difference?

[gray iris]

That's maybe true for 1 in 50 games or so, there is a cost to starting a case.

[livid path]

So I can kill that game?

[serene valley]

like, "can the unity editor run doom"?" probably

[haughty crow]

No.

[serene valley]

why couldn't you?

[sleek seal]

https://tenor.com/view/im-just-getting-a-really-weird-vibe-from-this-place-stevie-budd-stevie-emily-hampshire-schitts-creek-gif-20792726

[blissful imp]

did you guys know that expedition 33 launched with ai gen art? https://fxtwitter.com/nyanomancer/status/1917435885429150176?mx=1

Nyanomancer (@nyanomancer)

Excellent, the AI generated textures in Clair Obscur were indeed placeholders and were replaced with custom assets. The other AI generated poster that was present in the starting area (don't have a screenshot of it now) was also removed.

Quoting Nyanomancer (@nyanomancer)
︀
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears as though Clair Obscure: Expedition 33 used generative AI for these textures.

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[serene valley]

it can execute code

[gray iris]

Excel can also run Doom, is Microsoft Excel also considered a game?

[livid path]

I mean I can still log into it so it’s alive

[frozen sonnet]

Tell that to my love life

[dire burrow]

So, what does this mean for games that have shipped, but the engines are still closed source/not supported

[worthy ivy]

shitting on pirate software kind of is the entire story - it's been.... interesting

[haughty crow]

Why are we arguing if game engines are games?

[sleek seal]

code didn't do nothing wrong!

[livid path]

Because we’re trying to figure out what a video game is

Legally

[thick ledge]

cuz the distinction is important for any legislation that says "video game"

[haughty crow]

This seems dumb. ESRB already has a way of classifying what is a game.

[serene valley]

still getting executed!

:3

[worthy ivy]

because interesting
and because relevant to SKG
and we are in SKGQuarantine chat

[haughty crow]

Didn’t ESRB figure that out though?

[jolly sky]

Thor gave an opinion about a poorly worded and easily mis-interpretable Initiative from a developer's point of view.

People didn't like that.

People threw shit at the walls.

[limber gulch]

ESRB is American only right?

[sleek seal]

I hereby proclaim you Evil! You are henceforth known RedEvilBrumbler!

[serene valley]

now it stinks everywhere

[haughty crow]

Good point.

[terse pelican]

Other regions have their own variant

[wet coral]

Dont you mean PEGI instead of ESRB?

[worthy ivy]

yeah, who do I send the bill to for that... this stuff's gone /everywhere/

[haughty crow]

There are other regulatory orgs elsewhere.

[frosty spear]

Also with "it intend to preserve the game..." This guy wants just the tutorial or starting area just for nostalgia reason but other put it like it should be fully playable the entire thing. Like this is the reason why it needed to be more concrete

[proper phoenix]

Wait till u found out that there is a worlds championship for microsolf exxel

[high ember]

I'm not arguing personally
I'm thinking of the fascinating philisophical implications of what the term 'game' means

[dire burrow]

ESRB is voluntary.

[limber gulch]

Well how does pegi classify what a game is

[spare topaz]

So, heres the legal definition as established in court:
"video games constitute a complex matter comprising not only a computer program but also graphic and sound elements, which although encrypted in computer language, have a unique creative value which cannot be reduced to that encryption"
This was reached in 2014 under case C-355/12, in a lawsuit by nintendo against a company called PC Box SRL

the judgement from that ruling is here: https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf;jsessionid=2B5C7D6EAE44B8B981D3A7657F535BB1?text=&docid=146686&pageIndex=0&doclang=EN&mode=lst&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=1211688

[serene valley]

or like

RelbmurbDer!

[blissful imp]

OH GOD DAMNIT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[dire burrow]

ESRB does not define what a game is.

[lapis flame]

no PEGI in Germany, we have USK instead.

[dire burrow]

The developers/publishers do.

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-several-people-are-typing-gif-15407184

[plain escarp]

search videos on it, you are going to get a lot more biased responses if you ask people who are direct fans of the guy who's being shitted on lmao

[worthy ivy]

yuuuup - Excel is a game - there's a flight simulator built into early versions as an easter egg

mic drop

[limber gulch]

Did it though

[livid path]

So if a computer program produces visuals and sounds, it’s a video game?

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[thick ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-man-a-pregnant-man-pregnant-man-react-mpreg-react-mpreg-gif-14616812654799757312

[serene valley]

probably the UK one

[blissful imp]

its close

[plain escarp]

UK, not EU yet

[proper phoenix]

No i mean this literally
There is an actual worlds championship for microsolf exxel

[dire burrow]

So a MUD with no audio is not a game?

[high ember]

That definition is also kinda limiting
there's games without sound, and games without graphics

[thick ledge]

didnt the UK already say no

[worthy ivy]

windows is a "game collection"... ships with a crapton of games installed...

windows is also game

[cedar shale]

SKG getting 100k sigs today WOW

[high ember]

like there's a ton of audio only games

[livid path]

Any game without audio is not legally a video game

[serene valley]

yknow, I hate to quote it, but suits had this thing about how the law is a precise endavour so you must be precise

[gray iris]

Then google chrome is a game too, with their little dino game 😄

[frozen sonnet]

No

[dire burrow]

No?

[livid path]

You can be for or against, make your choice

[thick ledge]

why do we have to pick a side

[livid path]

That too

[haughty crow]

We are us. Not inherently against anything.

[livid path]

Could just vibe

[worthy ivy]

I've got snake on my old nokia 3210?

my old phone is handheld electronic game unit

[wet coral]

We are each our own opinion. Some are for Some are against.

[worthy ivy]

nok os is game 🙂

[lapis flame]

i kind of like the fence im sitting on

[worthy ivy]

where do we draw the line?

[terse pelican]

We're not against anyone, We're against missinformation.

[jolly sky]

From what I understand, yes.

[limber gulch]

TempleOS is a game

[high ember]

Is "the game" a game?
also you all just lost it

[fickle bluff]

It's gonna be a wild day if initiative reaches it's signature goals, at which point those would need to be verified, and it'll turn out that a non-insignificant percentage of those were fraud.

[serene valley]

damn

[sleek seal]

Your message could not be delivered. This is usually because you don't share a server with the recipient or the recipient is only accepting direct messages from friends. You can see the full list of reasons here: https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360060145013

[livid path]

But no generally “we” aren’t against Thor, as his community lol

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/cursed-emoji-fist-emoji-crying-emoji-emoji-fist-gif-20999569

[plain escarp]

the world is not black and white

[haughty crow]

What?

[blissful imp]

wait. how do i see the uk one? i can only see the eu one

[serene valley]

it's ~70% wet tbh

[jolly sky]

They already have a very sensible law in place, so I believe they just shut that down.

[gray iris]

Yeah it's the worst when you accidently summon lemons D:

[worthy ivy]

UK said "no" but then it hit 100000 sigs so now they'll debate
but they never pass - and there's no appetite for this in UK parliament at the minute, no politics but shit's in freefall here - not good

UK lawmakers aren't going to change anything - guaranteed

source - cynical UK'er

[undone hatch]

And that serves what purpose? The licensing agreement expires, it isn't renewed and then what? They send you the server binary so you can host your own server for people, is that the idea? What about artists that have licensed their works and have contracts that state they are to be paid as long as their works are in use? What about future bugs in the games, especially ones concerning security, are devs obligated to discover or patch those? What about a windows update that breaks the game, are they required to patch that somehow?

[high ember]

jokes aside it's a really interesting game bc of how simple it is
it challenges the notion of what the narrowest definition of a game could be

[plain escarp]

google uk stop killing games, first result

[jolly sky]

Giving valid opinions from a knowledgeable point of view that people refuse to understand is not an "L"

[spare topaz]

I would feel reasonably confident that the and there implies that it can or can't be there, rather than the both must be included. EU statements, especially ones with impact on directives and regulations, tend to be cautious in their phrasing

[haughty crow]

Now I do.

[livid path]

And requires both, or requires either

[serene valley]

you can disagree with someone without being against the person?

like

that's a thing you can do

[thick ledge]

i dont think you have to be against thor to disagree with him

[serene valley]

you have the power to do that

[haughty crow]

Agreed.

[worthy ivy]

tbh I'd spend an evening debating what is and isn't a game for funsies
am nerd

[thick ledge]

disagreeing was always allowed

[jolly sky]

Honestly what they already have in place makes complete sense so, eh

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-then-gif-26630246

I like this gif

[wet coral]

this boils down to the Do your own thinking. dont follow the crowd.

[plain escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-then-gif-26630246

[proper phoenix]

Who is keep pregnant man reacting 😭

[green plank]

if i want to i can be mean and disagree with everyone on the planet for no reason at all, cause im not anyones slave

[sleek seal]

Thor is not against the idea, he's against the movement, because the thing they promote is likely to end up in bad legislation.

[stone prairie]

Breaking news, It is possible to disagree over how a thing is without being enemies and having a civil conversation. More in 5 minutes maybe.

[plain escarp]

god damn you beat me to it

[serene valley]

fastest gif in the west

[spare topaz]

that would be my understanding yes - they have given specific elements but aimed to keep it sufficiently high level enough that they don't accidentally cut out a swathe of the market in their determinations - especially given that the context was a court case over copyright

[thick ledge]

this gif feels like this whole debacle

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-impossible-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20773470

[dire burrow]

If you decide to hate someone simply because they disagree with you on something, maybe some self-reflection is needed.

[worthy ivy]

if you are "for the petition" you should just be "for the petition"

being "against thor" sounds like a personal issue

[thick ledge]

🫃

[gloomy forge]

"Will creative freedom be stiffled..."
"Yes because when you sell stuff you're subject to regulation."

Creative regulation cannot exist and creative freedom is protected though. You can't just tell an indie what to do and how to do it. But you can compel companies that actually sell the games. Yet stiffling creativity without compromise will not work in this case. You can regulate a game through different means, as in forcing developers to have a different feature based on whatever works. But you can't redefine the art itself. Especially when it comes to itch.io stuff. I feel once there are rules that say "people who are small indies selling games can make games without carrying any of the burden". then all of this is good. Big developers obviously can easily adhere to anything SKG does and many indies adhere to it already too. My devils advocate issue is about people who don't know SKG who just make lil games on itch.io the best laws are those that nobody notices but helps everyone apart from the biggest of fishes (publishers and AAA companies who handle things).

[umbral halo]

It's them telling consumers that the service actually has an end date, like every other service in the world. Currently almost all live service games just have "we can take this away whenever we want :)" and that's it. That's extremely consumer unfriendly and one of the main problems the initiative is trying to address.

[turbid flower]

Here's a rabbit hole if anyone else wants to jump in.
Just remember to read it as a layman and not an armchair expert.
https://www.copyright.eu/docs/protection-of-a-video-game/

[plain escarp]

how many people have asked like "i know you guys are gonna ban me but i disagree with thor"

[high ember]

oh heck yeah

like "the game" is played by not thinking of the game, and then you say someone lost it and they lose the game

but does that imply that a thought is a game?

[thick ledge]

50000

[worthy ivy]

braincell moment again

[thick ledge]

most of them then immediately force the mods hand

[gray iris]

Imagine having a civil conversation, exchanging ideas and concerns, which ultimately makes you more open minded, more informed and better able to defend your own thoughts etc.
But no, we cavemen, we cave eachothers heads in.

[livid path]

YouTube comments be like “I disagree, but this will probably be deleted” like bruh

[umbral halo]

If they properly do the end of service stuff, they don't have to keep the games playable. that's a huge point most people are misconstruing about the initiative

[wet coral]

WOuld we be on Mars already if that was the case?

[worthy ivy]

have had some good back and forth pre-nuke on occasion

[steep surge]

I mean, there definitely are issues where I go "okay, if you disagree with me on this I do not like you or want to interact with you"
depends on the issue

[green plank]

if the other persons decides to disengage from the conversation, how do you all respond

[thick ledge]

yeah people complaining about youtube comments when the comment was like, the most heinous shit youve ever read

[worthy ivy]

mods aren't trigger happy here

[jolly sky]

How did;

"possible to end up in the wrong hands" and

"he conditionally supports it"

Cross your mind?

[haughty crow]

What could that look like if not keeping games playable? Something like making it easy to have fan servers?

[livid path]

????

[dire burrow]

Its more like "I disagree with you Thor, and [slurs, insults, and being an ass]"

[turbid flower]

I respect it and move on. I'm not about to chase someone down across the internet to keep arguing

[livid path]

That’s exactly what he means

[gray iris]

Up until recently we had that capability, perhaps this is less noticable in every day life.

[stone prairie]

Lol, noone gets banned for disagreement. They get banned for being a jerk.

[high ember]

can't define video games by how fun they are because sometimes you can grind in games to get stuff to have fun later, even if it's boring

can't define them by interactivity because everything on the internet is interactive, so that includes too much stuff

[wet coral]

But the difference lies in the I will not interact with you and the I will dox,shit,be an arse to you about it.

[fickle bluff]

I will now proceed to hate you, 'cause your words are activating my neurons without consent.

[green plank]

exactly, and it would be very creepy lol

like, we all agree, that people are not entitled to conversations right...

[haughty crow]

If FromSoft makes it, it’s a game. Otherwise, it is business software.

[jolly sky]

That's what I'm saying lmao, I'm pretty sure there's an Metal Gear Solid-style Question Mark floating above my head

[umbral halo]

Because they're being up front about the service being temporary and having and end date before you comply. That's the main problem

[jolly sky]

based

[worthy ivy]

jerkface rule is the one that trips peeps up

[steep surge]

oh definitely
Mine is more like "I will judge you heavily (mostly internal) and never get close to you or trust you with any information"

[frozen sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284763438374981723/1284763527793348628/MUNCHPOWER.gif

[thick ledge]

but fromsoft started as a buisness management dev 🤔

[wet coral]

Also here is your free psychic damage of the day. We are closer to 2050 then we are to 2000.

[livid path]

BRUH

[high ember]

so true

is a tweet made by FromSoft to announce a game itself a game?
you can technically 'play' it by retweeting/liking/leaving a comment

[livid path]

It’s literally the day of

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/do-not-see-it-gif-27105328

[haughty crow]

Isn’t that a given with live service though? I think the issue is the temporary service being 5 minutes long, like Concord.

[vivid maple]

Yes ill criticize thor for some of his takes but at the end of the day he does have valid points

[sleek seal]

the way it's worded and pushed is bad. The scope needs to be limited and clearly defined, then Thor would likely support it.
Because right now, if you take it at face value, SKG demands to preserve all games, almost unconditionally, which causes problems the moment it faces the real world: how do you handle licensing? How do you handle core online features, i.e. matchmaking and server sync? (see Warframe and PoE) Not all games can be preserved, simply because of how they're designed, and other games could become much more expensive, or some content might be removed due to licensing.

[frosty spear]

Yeah but he does have a point sort of, different countries don't allow for different things in media like Wolfenstein and sniper elite I remember had to do some modifications for Germany because ya know even though the games were ya know

[lapis flame]

make this an NSFW channel

[high ember]

ouch

[serene valley]

those people got refunds afaik

[faint rapids]

Than*

[steep surge]

Did you know that there's a point of land in the ocean that's 16 times closer to the international space station than to any other landmass?

[worthy ivy]

everyone is a jerkface sometimes but the question is, are you part-time or full-time?

[wet coral]

I am not English or American. Bite my shiny Grammar failing ass!

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/futurerama-bender-bite-my-shiny-metal-ass-robot-bite-me-gif-11796817

[dire burrow]

chat help

the sun is a deadly laser

and its heating my room

[jolly sky]

"but only supports it if it fits his narrative"

No. nothing to do with "his narrative". Entirely to do with the protection from a developer point of view, from AAA all the way down to solo devs

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sun-is-a-deadly-lazer-gif-8691250

[terse pelican]

@dire burrow Get an AC.

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/upisnotjump-damn-you-damn-damn-you-sun-gif-15071387

[wet coral]

Suns gone here. Rain has come

[umbral halo]

It's not though. Nearly every live service game puts in the "we can end service and revoke access to the game whenever we want" bit in the terms. That's one of the main reasons for the initiative

[wet coral]

PRAISE THE GODS

[sleek seal]

should've grown trees 'round the house

[dire burrow]

It is on

The sun is to strong

[earnest mirage]

in 3 days shrek will be 21 and leagally allowed to drink beer in the us.

[steep surge]

go mod from inside your fridge, easy

[terse pelican]

@dire burrow How hot in Centipedes?

[wet coral]

Shrek is already drinking beer in europe.

[sleek seal]

all of them

[undone hatch]

Okay. Them giving me an "end date" that they update every once in a while to a game I like playing wouldn't matter to me. After they extend a couple of times I'd think it would survive and then I'd be just as pissed when they shut it off as I would have if they never gave me a notice in the first place. But I guess that could matter to some people, just wouldn't matter to me

[frosty spear]

Then you must kill the sun

[dire burrow]

25, but outside is ~30

[high ember]

i'll send the power of the anti-sun from the correct side of the planet

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-tadc-jax-centipede-chicken-gif-13748683724179247868

[high ember]

the sun's not up here for about another hour

[worthy ivy]

bender said something rude! delete him from the internet now!

[wet coral]

Just 30? ... Weakling. We had 35-38 for the last 3 days.

[terse pelican]

Eww. We have the same heat here. 32c at around like, 12am ( 10 hours ago )

[lapis flame]

prevent the sun from hitting your windows glass.

[spare topaz]

we shall speak kind words of you when the sun finally defeats you, I am sorry for your impending doom friend

[serene valley]

can't believe bender would say this!

[high ember]

oh epic

[undone hatch]

If the games won't be playable then I don't understand anything at all about this initiative

[high ember]

wish it was that here and not cold as hell

[sleek seal]

https://tenor.com/view/weak-weakness-disgusts-me-disgusted-disgusting-gif-17171223

[worthy ivy]

that's why the entire ass thing makes the kid in me smile so hard - it's basically benders catchphrase and I was programmed by Futurama

[frosty spear]

Yeah the little window awning are pretty good

[fickle bluff]

Put up a reflective surface to every orifice of your house. Let it be heating your neighbours.

[sleek seal]

we had +37 C today and I had +26 C indoors. And all I needed was a fan!

[gray iris]

yes

[high canyon]

Then people should stop buying from those companies. The big issue with SKG is it demands companies keep making games that people want but then want to control how those games are handled, all while still having their cake and eating it. Stop supporting companies that have anti consumer practices

[dire burrow]

'orifice'

[spare topaz]

Please make sure that your battle against the sun is valiant at least @dire burrow , that we may sing songs of your glorious defeat as you are ushered into valhalla

[blissful imp]

Damn that's pretty cold

[worthy ivy]

it's technically correct?

[livid path]

Mod moment

[lapis flame]

sitting here at 31°C inside. Im melting. Everything has become sticky.

[worthy ivy]

still eww

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/tee-hee-hee-evil-laugh-gif-12713405

[dire burrow]

damnit

[worthy ivy]

#outofcontext

[wet coral]

The backery needs to keep making cakes. I love their chocolate cakes! But they need to make them better!

[gloomy forge]

Yes thats why the right to play a game forever should only be in those that pay for the game.

I'm not too worried about SKG but as long as its regulated properly its fine. Considering the complexity there will be talks about the details its not all boomers writing the law too.

I wrote this yesterday but as long that nobody working on a game sees issues about it in the long run its gonna be fine . Believe me a lot of people in europe have interest in ensuring that people keep making games and have fun about it.

But again all of this will lead to compromises, as most legislature does.

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-dwight-manfredi-sylvester-stallone-tulsa-king-lets-drink-to-that-gif-27118184

[umbral halo]

It's an exploitative contract that's being abused by almost every company. If you don't personally care about it then that's a you thing. It's something that needs to be regulated because it's not realy a service or a product if they can just whisk it away at any given moment after people paid for it and see no consequences

[jolly sky]

And control how games are made, and an no one should have that right to legally enforce that.

Imagine how crazy I would sound if I said "I'm making an Initiative to legally enforce that paintings could no longer be done in Watercolour"

I would be laughed at so hard I would fall off the internet

[wet coral]

Personally i find there are other things that are worth the time way more for the politicians then SKG.. But thats politics.

[minor nymph]

[high canyon]

Also, the SKG guy is still.going in comments of popular videos saying that if the initiative passes it will certainly have benefits for gamers everywhere. He keeps projecting the false narrative that this initiate will actually change anything or is legally binding

[dire burrow]

THOR NO

[umbral halo]

It demands companies follow through with the product and service. Keeping it playable means keeping it playable until its end-of-life. If it's a live service agreement then they need to properly state when it ends. Right now they don't tell you at all when it ends and just reserve the option to end it whenever they so please. Again, that point is being misconstrued.

[serene valley]

hiya

[jolly sky]

LMAO

[steep surge]

oh, henlo!

[jolly sky]

Goodbye Wolp, it was nice knowing you

[gloomy forge]

gonna make myself something to eat.

[serene valley]

thor should invest in a spellchecker for the mods

[minor nymph]

[dire burrow]

I WAS REPLYING TO THEM

[livid path]

WAIT UM AH WHY YOU NOW 💀

[wet coral]

Farewell Wol. Was nice knowing you.

[split tulip]

I knew it! you're in the pocket of "big oil on canvas"!

[minor nymph]

[dire burrow]

[steep surge]

get him

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-man-a-pregnant-man-pregnant-man-react-mpreg-react-mpreg-gif-14616812654799757312

[wet coral]

Keep digging Wolpest.. Just keep digging.

[silver vapor]

It’s always a point that gets misconstrued over and over and over for some reason

[fickle bluff]

[minor nymph]

Looks like the Dune patch came out.
Gonna go test my helmet bug

[livid path]

[wispy plover]

Oooo

Man I am hoping for the best with the patch

[spare topaz]

good luck!

[minor nymph]

https://duneawakening.com/news/dune-awakening-1-1-10-0-patch-notes/

[jolly sky]

Oh jeez good luck, considering the multitude of other bugs that exist

[minor nymph]

Patch notes are enormous

[frosty spear]

Wolp is your house made of flesh if it has orifices /j

[wet coral]

May your helmets be fixed and your worms be fed.

[minor nymph]

They did fix the repair exploit

So thats good

[split tulip]

I'm still afraid of losing my inventory or thopter to a bug

[serene valley]

yknow what makes me smile

knowing that thor said on stream he was confused about the pregnant man reacts

and in doing so made people post them EVEN MORE

streisand effect or something

[frosty spear]

Best of luck

[high canyon]

People will celebrate when SKG gets 1 million signatures because they've been misled to think this will change something asap or guarantee some kind of change, but it doesn't, but thats the narrative the SKG guy has been stating everywhere

[karmic valley]

As much as I'd like for games to never die, sadly that's the reality of business and developers aren't just goinng to give away their 'source' and 'server' architecture, not to mention the whole thing about agreements with other companies that they might have had to pay for on a running service

[minor nymph]

The repair exploit worked like this.

1. Put a bunch of broken stuff in a box.
2. Destroy the box.
3. Pickup the stuff.
4. Relog.
5. ---> Everything is now fully repaired with no lost max durability.

It was fucking insane.

[undone hatch]

Okay, so if all games moved to xbox game pass, that would be fine according to this initiative, yeah? You'd have a monthly subscription that grants you service for a specific amount of time which fits your criteria?

[livid path]

Ah yeah that makes sense

[minor nymph]

And you know what else is enormous?
Their ban for that.

[indigo wadi]

It's almost like Thor's 2 videos address this exact issue

[wispy plover]

Get ‘em

[livid path]

Good.

[vivid maple]

Speaking of which the perfect dark reboot got canceled

[frosty spear]

So it was loosing a reference would be my guess?

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-good-gewd-star-wars-episode-3-gif-15386400457909814305

[vivid maple]

And the studio behind it got shut down

[indigo wadi]

that would be a byproduct of SKG enforcing an end of life plan...

[lunar moth]

And this is before people have realized that they will need to verify their signatures as well, which means sending in documentation confirming that they are a real person - whilst there's going to be a lot of people who are fine with that, and are real people, even the most charitable estimates is going to drop that number by a lot!

[limber gulch]

Microsoft acquiring companies like theyre infinity stones just to shut them down. Such a shame

[jolly sky]

OH damnit

[minor nymph]

And that one is gone too.
Enough with this obnoxious chat derailing.
We're talking about dune and memes.

[jolly sky]

I was creating a reply

Welp

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-ace-ventura-take-care-slammed-the-door-bye-gif-8571412

[high canyon]

I wonder how many non EU people signed it to spite Thor

I like memes

[vivid maple]

Yeah a lot of people at turn 10 got canned too

[indigo wadi]

and dune memes

[high canyon]

And turtles

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-stilgar-fremen-disbelief-gif-17405899726704623697

[limber gulch]

Is that the streaming site? I'm not too familiar with them

[proud tundra]

It’s been like this for days nothing but skg talk last night we were chatting about the gym tho it was cool 💪🏻

[jolly sky]

We'll see how many of the votes are null and void afterward

Anyway, more fun topics.

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-jotaro-kujo-jojos-gif-7297252

[minor nymph]

Yeah Mixer has been gone ages

[karmic valley]

Praise the Great Worm

[umbral halo]

That's not "my criteria." If the people who played the games through game pass only had it on there and lost access to it at the end of their service agreement, then yes that's exactly what this is about.
Using that as an example, what if xbox decided one day that it doesn't want to follow through and slaps "we can revoke access to those games whenever we want" and revokes your access the same day you bought the subscription. That's what game companies are doing right now. Live service is the obvious example but this covers games that are being taken away for any reason at all. They're doing wrong by the customer

[fickle bluff]

I wanna spice and fly around my ornithrobter!

[faint rapids]

Howdy goblin king, hope the day is well

[worthy ivy]

I've found it relatively bug free - but it might just be that I'm institutionalised from playing too much Bugthesda

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/shai-hulud-sandworm-dune-worm-dune-dune-2-sardaukar-gif-5826933029886743139

[indigo wadi]

You could say it's gone through a...mixer of changes

[lunar moth]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-sand-worm-shalai-shai-hulud-dojaslat-gif-5113701842572486398

[frozen sonnet]

The last thing my cats food dish sees

[frosty spear]

Sir this the #SKGdrama channel for dune you'll have to ask the mods for direction to the dune channel /j

[vivid maple]

I believe it was shut down in 2020

[jolly sky]

Oh jeez that is horrifying

[livid path]

Woah that’s a good thumbnail

[minor nymph]

Cursed.

[wet coral]

Not just your cats dish.. My dogs aswell.

[minor nymph]

2020 was 5 years ago

[gray iris]

🟩 👈 Start Touching Grass 👉 🟩

Our online lives are being dominated by pointless arguments, online harassment, polarization, solving geopolitical issues which we have no control over and much more harmful practices. The time we spent online is ever increasing, making us lose sight of what being human is really about.
Let's tackle this now, let's return to normal human being that are a functional, irreplaceable force in our society.

How you may ask? By making it mandatory to touch grass.
We will enforce a daily quota and time windows where one must touch grass.
This way we can reinvigorate ourselves and making the world a better place.

Please sign my petition :)

[fluid dome]

I have more. A lot more.

[karmic valley]

As i haven't watched the second mvoie, i presume the reason that the worm sort of bounces is because it's being driven onto a mass of rock ?

[high canyon]

Dont hurt me like this

[serene valley]

what if I am allergic to grass

[minor nymph]

Y2k Was a quarter of a century ago.

[gloomy forge]

Hulud-chan

[indigo wadi]

shrek 1 was 24 years ago

[wet coral]

2050 is closer then 2000.

[split tulip]

I vaguely remember Mixer. was that the one that signed Ninja?

[livid path]

As of today

[karmic valley]

Also how many sardaakar would I have to feed a worm at once to give it water poisoning ?

[high canyon]

You all are hurting me, so much

[minor nymph]

Yep.

[jolly sky]

Executed /j

[high canyon]

I'm old

[silk raft]

Sigh. lol.

[proud tundra]

How about the 2016 xxl freshman cypher being almost 10 years ago

[wet coral]

The ultimate Goblin test forever shall be.

7

[high ember]

y2k was before i was born

[fluid dome]

This brings me personal joy

[minor nymph]

Every time I enter chat I see you all as Garfield.

[steep surge]

7

[tribal canyon]

afaik the video side was way better than twitch, part of what kiled it cost wise

[serene valley]

that's unfair, I can't breakdance like that

[karmic valley]

Can you bring us lasanga

[high ember]

I too require lasagna

[serene valley]

standards are too high

[lunar moth]

7

[vivid maple]

Jesus christ that makes me feel old as frick

[worthy ivy]

instructions unclear, built wallace and gromit style machine to hurl clods of turf at me in regular intervals

[wispy plover]

I do occasionally want a lasagna

[fickle bluff]

We be spinning for ya pleasure, sire!

[fluid dome]

I can actually improve the Thor of the World shitpost now that I think about it

[dawn valve]

I'd never hate a Monday

[wet coral]

IT seems this chat is filled with fake goblins.. It does not spam like the Twitch chat does. Heresy.

[serene valley]

7

[steep surge]

So not only is Meatball your cat but we all are your cats?

[rose echo]

Isn't that a bit harsh? Mods have repeatedly said this is the place for SKG talk, and there aren't clear rules for not bringing up a new topic while there's one going, afaik? I can understand your frustration, but I think a ban without a warning was too harsh, all things considered..

[silk raft]

I'm so old I get excited about new cookware and solving kitchen storage problems.

[faint rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-googly-eyes-puss-in-boots-please-gif-1390997590054984239

[gloomy forge]

looks very clean

[high canyon]

I'm trying to read all the things, i can't keep up to 7

[jolly sky]

Thor hiring Thors's brother and Thors's son, to defeat Thor so that Thor could become Thor, featuring Thor

[wet coral]

There is a difference in discussing SKG and being a Arse about it.

[rose echo]

That is true

[serene valley]

watch out or you'll be sore

[vivid maple]

Thor stop making me feel old

[rose echo]

I'm not endorsing people being an arse, fwiw

[frozen sonnet]

Bars

[fluid dome]

Totally don't have thor's face photoshopped on my commissioned art of my OCs, nope, not me

[minor nymph]

Mixer had a major flaw.
It incentivized bots through design.
You would get Sparks for watching any stream, think channel points but global.
These sparks could be spent on your favorite streamer and it would make Embers, their version of bits, give more money than normal.

Tons of 24/7 get your sparks here channels.
The most popular channel on the site was MonsterCatRadio and had "24/7 Get your sparks here" as its title all the time.

[small nacelle]

i like this chat more like this

[wet coral]

Enbramce the ancient status.

[minor nymph]

The moment they opened for advertisements it was GG

[jolly sky]

Replace "Thor" with "Vergil" and you have a pretty accurate meme summary of DMC5

[frozen sonnet]

so true

[gray iris]

Mixer's website was a trainwreck to begin with

[wet coral]

NOw it is Kicks trainwreck pa dum tish

[minor nymph]

It had some cool throughput tech for instant stream interaction but that's about it.

[vivid maple]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyyy-why-gif-19236077

[high ember]

has anyone made Dune a ligma yet?

Dune your mum

[limber gulch]

Sounds like Bitcoin mining with extra steps

[fluid dome]

@minor nymph how cursed can Thornchan posting get before it's too far I wonder

[steep surge]

to be fair, Monstercat has a 24/7 stream everywhere tho
with legit music as far as I know

[gray iris]

Sure if you have microsoft backing it.
I used it, hated it and turned back to Twitch

[high canyon]

Crazy how none of their huge channels made SKG videos 10 months ago, but now suddenly feel the need to crucify and completely misrepresent and mischaractwrize Thor. Crazy right?

[minor nymph]

This wasn't monstercats fault at all.
Read it again lol

[hasty grail]

do you know what a thopter is? thop these nutz on your face
(is joke, no ban plz)

[gloomy forge]

Nah, get DUNC'd on instead

[gray iris]

Kick did the smart thing to copy the Twitch layout :p

[minor nymph]

smart

[steep surge]

oh no no, I know
I just wanted to mention that

[dire burrow]

banned /j

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-smart-simpsons-flames-gif-12447941

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-you-sure-about-that-gif-22429959

[jolly sky]

The third time this has been relevent today lol

[hasty grail]

[wary lotus]

Wait, we talking Dune memes finally?

[wet coral]

quick. Scatter!

[jolly sky]

And also its backend

[gloomy forge]

yeah don't hate the player, hate the game. monstercat did that because it was incentivised by mixer but to be honest the only thing about mixer that I watched was that Ninja stream on that palooza place.

[livid path]

@minor nymph so how’d the meeting go? Did they like your “thing” if you know what I mean

[minor nymph]

Except Kick also cannot financially function because it has literally no income stream outside of deals with Stake a crypto gambling company lol

[silk raft]

Absolutely cackling

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-fantastic-four-first-steps-f4-richie-the-bear-here's-the-thing-gif-10866717939802756885

[wet coral]

The thing.... wink wink.

[lunar moth]

In their defence, considering how much Kick has messed up otherwise - copying someone or something else that's at least in theory successful and "good" is better than what they could've done... probably ^^'

[steep surge]

that....that sounds....wrong

[high ember]

weird how we have LOL and WOW as popular games but not LMAO or ROFL

[wary lotus]

@minor nymph
You know what the famous saying is in the Dune world?
"A Chair is a man's best friend."

[jolly sky]

Grand standing won't convince anyone here. Shoo

[frosty spear]

I'm placing a bet it's something to do with the game jam

[livid path]

No offbrand

[proud tundra]

Kick Thor stream when

[wet coral]

NEver.

[frosty spear]

Yeah I know

[gray iris]

Seeing the bright green F1 cars, Stake has plenty of their blood money to burn xd

[proud tundra]

Wait what about TikTok ? How come you never streamed on there

[jolly sky]

Lol, 🅱️eleted

[faint rapids]

Hey Thor, do you have sound playing when you hang out in the chats? Or are you also working on stuff? Just curious

[worthy ivy]

<insert southpark "and it's gone" meme here>

[wet coral]

Why does that B instantly make me go Sbinalla.. I am ruined by F1 memes.

[minor nymph]

Vertical streaming sucks ass

[high ember]

🤣

so true

[umbral gazelle]

just only use a facecam dont stream gameplay xP

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[tribal canyon]

Vertical video sucks, all Vertical videos

[jolly sky]

It does, but on a Portrait monitor you would look colossal

[wary lotus]

Just rotate your stream 90 degrees

[wet coral]

And GLORIOUS

[high ember]

ok, but what about diagonal streaming?

[wary lotus]

Diagonal Streaming would be very extreme

[high ember]

put your monitor at 45°

[fickle bluff]

Skill issue. Just stream laying sideways.

[gray iris]

Wtf is AAA?

[steep surge]

Could be great for your V-Tuber debut

[tribal canyon]

circle streams when?

[wet coral]

We just got away from the topic Why Myke D:

[nova bough]

stop bringing it up

and it will die fastwr

[high canyon]

All fun and games until 250k of those signs came from USA trolls lol

[indigo wadi]

then tell youtube to stop showing videos

[frosty spear]

Streaming to One of those 3d screens with depth trough multiple layers

[livid path]

I saw one yesterday claiming Thor had sued someone

[frozen sonnet]

YouTube please stop showing these videos

[steep surge]

There's buttons for that, you know
"Not interested"

[proud tundra]

Just put don’t recommend

[wet coral]

Then stop clicking it to make it stop in your algorythem

[jolly sky]

Cyberpunk in portrait mode is....well its an experience;

[high ember]

i think at some point i thought the AAA in AAA games and triple A batteries were related

[toxic void]

VOLUMETRIC DISPLAY STREAMING

[minor nymph]

AAAAND the gear bug is still active in Dune

[livid path]

Dear god….

[fluid dome]

Okay after around 5 minutes of work, I have returned with improvements

[livid path]

That’s gonna be so annoying

[steep surge]

oh great

[paper shuttle]

out of curiosity - what happens then? initiative is gone or can they gather remaining signatures?

[split tulip]

this makes it look like an ad for those weird mobile games

[indigo wadi]

I haven't watched bellular in months

[minor nymph]

I just let their dev team know.
Fucking awful bug.

[wary lotus]

The gear bug is STILL in

[gray iris]

Oh it's not a scream for help? AAAAAAAAAA

[worthy ivy]

gear bug?

[jolly sky]

It actually does

[worthy ivy]

same one?

[faint rapids]

Ah so playing dune, got my question answered

[wary lotus]

Still gotta strip before logging off then?

[frozen sonnet]

👀

[steep surge]

trying out the new patch that just dropped

[livid path]

It also happens when you change zones

[high canyon]

As far as I know this specific initiative is dead, there's a time limit to gather legitimate signatures

[frosty spear]

Exactly, imagine being able to look behind thor's green screen which he his behind his transparent one

[paper shuttle]

good 🙂

[minor nymph]

Dune Gear Bug

1. Wear a Shaded Hood and log out with it on.
2. Log back in and cook yourself in the sun. Write down the time.
3. Remove the Shaded Hood and do the same as Step 2.
4. Log out with the Shaded Hood off and repeat steps 2 and 3.
5. ---> The Shaded Hood is applying it's bonus IN REVERSE when you log out with it on and rejoin the game for the duration of your play session.

This calls into question all gear and skills that impact stats in any way.
We keep seeing oddness around player power randomly going up/down and this is likely why.

[frosty spear]

Did khronos get his khronothopter back?

[minor nymph]

Nope

[steep surge]

I think he mentioned in his stream today that it's still stuck

[wary lotus]

That bug makes me wonder how they apply their stats...

[livid path]

Hey if you can say, how did the meeting go? Really excited to hear about what they thought about your “thing”

[elder scaffold]

Raid Shitto Legends is fun?

[frosty spear]

Was there a secret stream today?

[undone hatch]

I understand the principle of what you're arguing and I agree that the legalities of it does not constitute what can be good conditions for the consumer. It's also something neither I or anyone I know of has ever encountered as a problem. Doesn't mean it isn't one, but I have no reason to care about it.

It also doesn't address any real concerns I or anyone I know has encountered in gaming. Microtransactions, pay-to-win mechanics and DRM for singleplayer games are concerns I have and that have affected me. From what you're saying, this initative does not cover that and what it does cover, it has not defined as clearly as you have defined it to me.

I have interacted with enough law in my government job to know that what the law says and what lawmakers intended it to say almost never adds up. When you then have an initiative that is worded vaguely on a subject lawmakers are likely ignorant about, it is highly likely that what the intention of the initiative is and what the potential law will end up being interpreted as will end up being pretty far from each other. In other words, it doesn't concern me, and I do not think that it in its current state would even lead to the benefits the initiative intends to gain from it. Therefore I can't even consciencously support it as a fellow consumer.

[high ember]

they have to scream loud because big companies

[faint rapids]

Bro you need to stop paying for raid

[steep surge]

Khronos streamed

I dunno if that was a "secret" stream or if that's Khronos' normal schedule

[frosty spear]

Aaa

[jolly sky]

So for a laugh, Linus decided to play DOOM in portrait mode on a 55 inch, rotatable Ultra widescreen monitor.

Here is the result;

[dire burrow]

horrific

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-why-you-little-gif-17376912

linus

[jolly sky]

They're almost life size

[frosty spear]

Nah that's just khronos being smart with scheduling

[jolly sky]

OH this is another account

They almost had like-for-like had the same name as a previous banned user

[wary lotus]

And here I thought we'd finally transition into Dune memes...

[elder scaffold]

Pinkguy?

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-kiss-hd-feyd-rautha-kiss-dune-2-dune-part-two-gif-8296991559080743796

[wary lotus]

-sits on chair-
-pets the chair-
"Good boy"

[urban venture]

DeltarUNE: Awakening

[faint rapids]

Can we stop killing the vibe with giant messages

[fluid dome]

Idk enough about dune to shitpost sadly

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-two-worm-thumper-thumper-gif-12630280218731847064

[earnest mirage]

if steam get shut down, they will make it permanently usable in offline mode 🙂

[jolly sky]

Maybe

But if it is a previous-previous account had almost the exact name

[livid path]

Saw this earlier and dear god it kills me every time

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/kuni-jojokuni-gif-9556046131992949053

[fluid dome]

Anyway, I think this might be game 3?

[flat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-2-the-maker-shai-hulud-sandworm-gif-12136657042652702651

[wet coral]

Black internet magic.

[high ember]

basically the director's cut youtube shorts

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-paul-atreides-i-am-paul-muad'dib-atreides-duke-of-arrakis-gif-10565349926785199692

[turbid flower]

Yeah. I'm pretty sure Steam has said they have a contingency plan in case this exact thing happens

[elder scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-sand-worm-shalai-shai-hulud-dojaslat-gif-5113701842572486398

[earnest mirage]

well, if steam shut down, believe me, everything else will be on fire. ^^
Edit: and about the updates, nothing will stop you from updating the game manually, if needed. Like oldschool.

[steep surge]

Well there was called "ThatPinkGuy" and then "NotThatPinkGuy" or something

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-wanna-think-too-much-gif-19622217

[steep surge]

ticket button for what exactly?
What has that to do with the ticket buttons?

[silk raft]

Best. GIF. Ever.

[livid path]

The DRM thing for heartbound doesn’t stop heartbound from running

[thick ledge]

steam has publically stated theres a kill switch that auto toggles the thing, so that if something happens itll do the thing

[gloomy forge]

I wanted to argue about SKG half an hour ago but I'm honestly tired and said anything about it. Had fantastic talks I'm glad Thor chimed in too But I say this. Honestly, even though we disagree all talks were much better than expected also people just gifting me a sub like that? Awesome guys.

[worthy ivy]

plot twist: all the trolls are just one dude in a basement somewhere with a hundred alts - I mean like full on down and dirty EVE levels of alts

[steep surge]

what...what thing?

[thick ledge]

if valve for whatever reason goes defunct there is a contingency plan to make it so you can always still download your games

[flat moat]

might be mentioning champions of breakfast as results of the achievement system being responsible for holding your progress and unlocks

[jolly sky]

Yes. Valve have personally said this

[livid path]

Oh that idk

[red halo]

As someone who has only heard dune and watched parts of it when other people were watching, my understanding is that dune is a story where a prince runs away, joins a gang of druggies and goes back home

[steep surge]

ahh that's much less drastic than what I thought

[elder scaffold]

Oh god the eve alts

[worthy ivy]

thats.... not totally wrong 🙂

[minor nymph]

Heartbound runs in offline mode.
Anyone saying we have online only DRM is a fucking melon.

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/sounds-about-right-gif-12445000286797158217

[thick ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/watermelon-cat-funny-gif-2280908438162700469

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/theirresistible-dylanwang-watermelonhead-watermelon-wanghedi-gif-19662402

[earnest mirage]

unless steam would no longer function anymore because it has been dropped. Because when it's dropped all it takes could be a single windows update and it could run into issues.
But like i said, this is very unlikely.

[minor nymph]

Irrelevant.
It's a steam only game atm.

[elder scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/marlon-webb-but-i-got-a-watermalon-instead-but-i-got-a-watermelon-instead-watermelon-watermelon-helmet-gif-21653567

[dire burrow]

can't believe you posted a video of yourself Zaf

[steep surge]

We had yellow watermelons that were seedless in a local store
They are evolving

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-eat-watermelon-gif-9647035

[jolly sky]

Idea good. Methods bad. Come back with better wording and more accurate information on what it wants.

Next

[nova bough]

this is a disservice to melons. they are tasty

[worthy ivy]

seedless??

they /were/ evolving

ftfy 🙂

[livid path]

ONESHOT MENTIONED MY BELOVED

[steep surge]

You cannot prove that the melons are not currently evolving this very moment

[elder scaffold]

The seedless watermelon isnt gonna be evolving any time soon

[steep surge]

You don't know their power

[worthy ivy]

I know the seedless ones aren't passing their genes on any time soon

[high canyon]

I want companies to keep making the games I want, I want to keep buying them, but I want them to sell me the rights to the game even though I'm saying I don't want IP or copyrights and I refuse to read the TOS or purchaser agreement because then I'd have to read and if I read I couldn't deny ignorance for support companies that have bad consumer practices but I still wanna play the shiny newest games

[elder scaffold]

Right, they might be spreading their dna telepathically

[frosty spear]

Better question is can you make it a one line only drm just for the meme of it

[steep surge]

Don't underestimate them
If they dublicate like bacteria you'll come crying to me about it

[tight bramble]

Dang it i was too slow lol

[paper shuttle]

yes you can, some of them are able to talk and spread misinformation about DRM in some games

[livid path]

Sorry oneshot is just legitimately easily by far my favorite game ever, only Undertale comes close

[toxic void]

wait how do they keep growing them then. ive definitely looked this up before but i forgor ...

[steep surge]

See? This one gets it

[minor nymph]

This is a single check in the source as shown here.
It's not a major component nor is it hard to architect out.
The internet, in their idiocy, think this means the game is always online.
It is not, it runs fully offline and leverages steams current systems to verify you own the game.
Becaus it's a game that ONLY exists on steam. Not hard to figure out.
https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1939407727090094253

Pirate Software (@PirateSoftware)

@Mysterek_ @Pirat_Nation Your decompile lacks notes and missed the important bit at the top. I've also shown this live on stream a number of times over the years so it's not a secret.

For clarity, steam_initialised() returns true even if you run in offline mode. It's just making sure the game is run

X · Jun 29, 2025, 7:36 PM

[thick ledge]

new account but i swear ive seen u before

[gloomy forge]

I heard good things about Oneshot and it is not expensive.

[high ember]

welp
polite convo lasted ab 3 seconds before it derailed again
sigh

[livid path]

Oneshot is peak beyond peak

[umbral halo]

This also covers the Single player games like I said in an earlier reply. It's not just THAT specific issue, I was just answering a concern from one of your earlier posts about specifically how live service games fit into this. People have been mix n matching what does what and how stuff will be affected, I can only address one thing at a time. Stuff like Microtransactions is a separate issue entirely (although I agree they need to be addressed)

This initiative isn't to be taken as literal law. This is supposed to be vague to an extent to establish its standing in negotiations when it gets to the actual lawmakers in the EU. Game companies are going to make their case about it when that happens and the specifics and actual necessary language will be sorted there by the people who do that for a living. This step in the process is just to get the problem into the hands of the people that can actually do something about it. Everything from the way it's worded to what it'll actually be covering is going to be changed. Like any bill or law we can only hope it'll go the way we want it to. The initiative will just get it to the table.

[grand sequoia]

if methods bad but idea good, then man behind ideas also good and worth talking to and having an actual conversation and saying why (you think) methods bad

[livid path]

Id kill to shake the hands of the two creators of Oneshot

[worthy ivy]

melons reproduce by mitosis and take over and it's like day of the triffids but it's melons

who wants to buy the movie rights?

[jolly sky]

exactly.

I want my game to be mine but I'm refused to acknowledge how complex Game Design, Copyright and IP law is, MAKE IT WORK

[minor nymph]

They are local friends of mine.
OneShot is rad.

[thick ledge]

should take a break if the hordes are too much, its bad for your brain to wade through it

[minor nymph]

Removed.
Sick of this obnoxious shit.

[steep surge]

oh shoot really? That's so awesome!

[livid path]

Bro that’s legitimately the coolest thing ever

[blissful imp]

in cool things. the Hypixel minecraft server is finally starting to update to the latest versions. And they're adding Goblins. https://fxtwitter.com/HypixelNetwork/status/1940093086140711298

Hypixel Server (@HypixelNetwork)

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FxTwitter · Jul 1, 2025, 5:00 PM

[high canyon]

This initiative doesn't guarantee negotiations or arguments BTW, lawmakers can look at this and throw it in the bin if they want

[minor nymph]

Games on steam.
It checks if you own it.
It's playable offline.

[grand sequoia]

i truly still dont get why not have an honest conversation

[thick ledge]

insisting in the face of proof that its still online only is wild

[fickle bluff]

Omg, Thor is getting dragged back into SKG debate! Quickly, send nu...dudes to distract him!

[wet coral]

Idiots gonna keep idioting.

[livid path]

In the words of Simon, “yeah”

[steep surge]

I think that was a ban evader anyway
I think atleast
We've seen them two times already

[jolly sky]

Lmao we've had tons of people just refuse to remember what they've been told, or they willingly ignore it and go around in circles

[worthy ivy]

*noods

[umbral halo]

I mean that's out of our hands too 🤷

[median hornet]

[steep surge]

yea that too

[toxic void]

send dudes 🗡️ 🛡️

[tribal canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-james-may-gif-19266123

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/stone-cold-steve-austin-wrestling-gif-18129362

[tight bramble]

Sending dudes

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-cheese-cat-lick-cheese-what-the-cheese-erm-gif-17960004591832479214

[frosty spear]

Literacy rates have been dropping in a lot of places world wide

[faint rapids]

Aw man I missed it😁😂

[worthy ivy]

i suspect more times than that, but only suspect because I am a suspicious barsteward

[high canyon]

Its the same issue of books, you own the book but you don't own the story inside the book. You can't force a publisher to forever print copies of books

[high ember]

yeah
my heart rate and blood pressure keeps getting bad with stuff like this

[steep surge]

Watch them come back in an hour

[frosty spear]

Meh you've seen it once you've seen them all

[worthy ivy]

"totally not middle man honest" with the same pfp

[gloomy forge]

intelligence fluctuates but cats are eternal

[jolly sky]

Like that last person was even replied to that Valve has a contingency plan incase Steam goes down.

And then they said "wHaT aBoUt sTeAm tHoUgH"

Like dude the words are infront you. read them

[vivid maple]

Thor if you say something stupid I'll call you out within reason

[gloomy forge]

and dogs

[high canyon]

How can you recognize a ban evaders? I'm genuinely curious? Idk alot about that stuff

[minor nymph]

Do it.

[worthy ivy]

you seen one mosquito you seen them all, but you have to flap at them a but or you get itchy

[steep surge]

Also imagine getting mad that your book gets old and yellows with time

[livid path]

Self report lol

[turbid flower]

Or engange in an inquizative manner. In an effort to learn. But understand you won't have a complete understanding of the topic from just one conversation.

Nuance

[faint rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-shia-la-beouf-flame-gif-4445204

[minor nymph]

New account, white name, no roles, immediately starts shitting up the thread with talking points from reddit.

[serene valley]

any of these things:

• they flat out say it
• same name
• same socials linked
• same mannerisms
• continues where they left off
• combination of the above

[worthy ivy]

just asking for a friend...

[vivid maple]

Don't worry I won't be too harsh

[livid path]

No I’m saying they self report

[steep surge]

Oh they were named "ThatPinkGuy" then came back with an account named "ThatNOTPinkGuy" (or something similar) and then talked about putting in a mod ticket for an unfair ban

[vivid maple]

I'll do constructive criticism

[split tulip]

at that point they ain't even trying

[jolly sky]

I literally took a book off my shelf and took this photo and posted it multiple times to someone and they refused to acknowledge or attempt to understand

[high canyon]

Thanks everyone for informing me about ban evaders, you all are cool. Thanks for not ragging on me for being dumb lol

[steep surge]

yeah real smart

[lapis flame]

thats rare these days.

[livid path]

Can’t even cook their own beef

[worthy ivy]

i know - probably another instance of me thinking I'm funnier than I am 🙂

[gloomy forge]

Why did you have to make me remember that.

[wet coral]

I heard Thor eats goblins for breakfast.

[minor nymph]

This is true.

[worthy ivy]

RUN!!!

[vivid maple]

Oh the copyright stuff.

[wet coral]

Crap[

[steep surge]

oh, never! We like answering questions. Just remain civil

[undone hatch]

So we're gonna throw them something vague and hope it turns out the best possible way, got it. I am sure lawmakers will deduce exactly what the intent was by themselves and hold off against lobbyists, the industry and other special interest groups that will definitely not utilize the vagueness to insert their own opinions into what the intent behind the initiative actually was. The EU, like all lawmakers are well known for their infinite wisdom in all regulatory matters so I'm sure this will end well.

[frozen sonnet]

I heard Thor lets his hair devour goblins

[wanton silo]

Hey I use chatgpt to help me research stuff, don't blame the tool blame the carpenter 😅

[glass gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-screaming-then-running-away-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-spongebob-meme-running-gif-14848209682511966800

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/futakana-lewd-anime-blush-shy-gif-17423467

[worthy ivy]

we must take shelter - to #thorchan !!!

[livid path]

That’s a good anime

[high canyon]

I do acknowledge that videogames are different than books in lots of ways, especially giant MMO online games, but the basics remain the same. You can't demand a publisher give you the ability to republish their book but also say you won't infringe on their IP lol

[vivid maple]

You can't eat me cause I taste like magic poop

[lunar moth]

Thor, when will you wear a wig? xD

[gloomy forge]

what if thors hair is a bunch of very anorexic Shai-Huluds?

[limber gulch]

Chatgpt is utterly terrible for research. It will make stuff up

[wet coral]

Waht if he likes the taste of magic poop

[elder scaffold]

I will blame the tool

[grand sequoia]

if thor was truly honest with his bans and only banned trolls i would not fear a ban for making a silly joke about the time he wanted to sue a parody game(i do not have concrete info on that)

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blow-galaxy-explode-boom-fireworks-gif-5139389

[steep surge]

theres a huge flying bug in my room noooo
brb

[fickle bluff]

Indeed. Absolutely hilarious.

[vivid maple]

Oh sheet I didn't think about that part

[jolly sky]

Oh dude there was a guy here yesterday who got banned and joined with 2 other accounts.

Same typing patterns.
Same Behaviour.
All White names.

Like sure it makes sense to check, but at other points its just really obvious.

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-omniman-omni-man-think-think-mark-think-gif-10154057437310280034

[dire burrow]

chat. I'm getting a name tag for the kitten I have now (Who is named Caesar) and I found one that is a laurel wreath.

[undone hatch]

Hang on, I've got some melons in the fridge, I gotta go check if they're okay or if they've started posting on reddit

[dire burrow]

Its perfect

[frozen sonnet]

What

[worthy ivy]

you have a new fren?

[high canyon]

Wha?

[faint rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-of-clans-goblins-funny-winzard-man-wizard-mans-goblin-mans-gif-24759317

[vivid maple]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-dj-hunts-shivering-sheep-baaaa-gif-5167561624548843499

[grand sequoia]

maybe i am just weird but i think there is an atmosphere of censorship even if there might not be any

[minor nymph]

More and more idiots pushing this shit no less.
https://x.com/Perrincapybara/status/1940511999601074558

Perrin Capybara 🇲🇦🇵🇸 (@Perrincapybara)

Thor's game 'Heartbound' uses Steam achievements (Which do not work offline mind you) to track progress as an anti-piracy measure, his game (which has not released yet and still on EA) is literally on the chopping block of this initiative that's why he's so vehemently against it.

X · Jul 2, 2025, 8:44 PM

[split tulip]

I think some models straight up train the specifically on the amount of Rs in Strawberry, after people started making fun of it. they're terrible at any other word

[gloomy forge]

Thats very aristocatian.

[frosty spear]

Hmmm... So thor is a mod but he has said he bakes and likes bread and he always taunts us with the long wet bread pics so Mr Software how are you going to take accountability for breaking the no bread for the mods rule

[wet coral]

Bad Thor. We wanna talk about Dune and kittens!

[high canyon]

Whats the white name thing? I'm literally new to discord 😅

[jolly sky]

Exactly, and the IP and Copyright law around Games and software in general are vastlymore complex, and yet whenever we point those things out, they just refuse to engage the brain

[frozen sonnet]

Okay

[vivid maple]

I'm sorry I haven't played dune

[wet coral]

A roleless account.

[worthy ivy]

I counter this with an argument of #thorchan

[split tulip]

that would be trivial to check if they cared to. which I guess they don't...

[jolly sky]

White name = no roles.

It means you skipped the entire onboarding part of joining the server.

[indigo wadi]

i'd ask if they ever get tired of being wrong, but i don't think the ycare

[lapis flame]

the roles you can get here give your name a color other than white. So if someone with a white name shows up they havent explored the server much yet

or they know exactly where to go to stir the pot

[bronze summit]

when you are acting righteous, you can’t be wrong

[vivid maple]

Oh god I can just picture thor as an anime school girl who is also a badass

[jolly prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dibEZ9-Psss so far so good and not following the (now regular) drama bait template

[high canyon]

I'm learning so much 😌

[worthy ivy]

so.... they think that this initiative is somehow going to stop you using steam achievments to track piracy...?

what planet are these people on?

[umbral halo]

It's not as vague as you're making it out to be. It covers what we're talking about to the necessary extent. Some things could be improved probably but nothing so extreme they'd need to restart the whole petition process for. You're missing my point on why it was vague. It's not up to the people who make initiatives to decide the nitty and gritty parts of the potential law. That's not how the EUC Initiative process works. It's not going in word for word verbatim with tons of room for misinterpretation, and it's not solely in the hands of the lawmaker to decipher it.
Both the initiative party and dissenting parties will be putting their 2 cents in during the whole process. It's not the end of the world to just MENTION an issue with a signed petition to your lawmakers

[grand sequoia]

thats different.. if thor allows one kind of meming around but (seemingly) punishes another, kinda states that you cant do what he doesnt like, and thus the authoritarian atmosphere

[gloomy forge]

AI to aid you and books and other learning material to get knowledge = very good; Using AI to skip the entire thinking process for you = bad and you should feel bad, your brain probably thinks so too.

[grand sequoia]

again maybe im just weird

[vivid maple]

THANKS FOR PUTTING THAT PICTURE IN MY MIND

[worthy ivy]

i think it's more that that belongs in thorchan not genchat or streamchat

there's a time and a place

[steep surge]

I'm suspicious of anyone with the leaf thing in their name the last few days

[lapis flame]

other servers might be different, btw. But the larger ones usually use roles with different colors in some way.

[fluid dome]

Sometimes I wonder if wanting to be a game dev is worth it in this climate, especially after the last few days.

But then I see all the awesome shit that y'all make and it makes it hurt a little less. Even inspires me to dip my toes into UI Design, if nothing else I'll at least let my brain hash out some basic concepts.

[worthy ivy]

the main difference between a goblin and a troll is a goblin knows how to behave in public 🙂

[vivid maple]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-goddammit-damn-hitmans-bodyguard-hitmans-bodyguard-gifs-gif-8352668

[proud tundra]

W car

[gloomy forge]

Never outsource your thinking by any means, neither a person or a tool. Unless its someone very close to ya

[grand sequoia]

spicy take, but also +2

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-goblin-slayer-wheel-of-faith-gif-4221548491085992899

[worthy ivy]

oh yeah, totally played for and got - not a happy coincidence at all
honest

[dire burrow]

I outsource my thinking to my keyboard. I just press random buttons like those 2010s 'hacking' websites and words come out /s

[fluid dome]

As an actual example that I've been trying out, this is an incredibly rough draft and needs refining but look!!

[tight bramble]

Man, I can't believe @minor nymph caused the crash of 1929.

[frozen sonnet]

Love this

[frozen sonnet]

I was just reading about this

What hasn’t he caused

[steep surge]

like that thought experience about the monkey typing shakespear's entire works

[grand sequoia]

is that the one in the end of secret of the mimic?

[vivid maple]

So you are saying thor knows time travel?

[dire burrow]

Exactly

[turbid flower]

https://tenor.com/view/code-pairing-hacking-typing-gif-16079201

Grab a buddy for double the typing power.

[tight bramble]

"Several people are typing"

[gloomy forge]

I remember those television shows like NCIS that did that

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/headpats-anime-cat-girl-beeg-pats-shake-pats-gif-7464612627661142514

[tight bramble]

Correct lol

[high ember]

the sun is officially coming up

[fluid dome]

A friend pointed out some discrepancies with roman/Greek roots for some of the names and suggested new things to add so may come back and refine this.

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-approval-vegeta-approves-gif-3893854620573007436

[steep surge]

so how long, on average, does it take you to type a message?

[jolly sky]

Except that making it seem as though being vague is "mandatory" for an intiative is straight up lying. There have been multiple Initiatives that have clearly stated what they want, and have been accepted.

When you're going to get into an argument that inevitably involves IP and Copyright law, detail is a must

Which is something that Ross, the Initiative, and many supporters refuse to acknowledge.

[gloomy forge]

Yeah thats NCIS I actually remembered

[dire burrow]

let me confer with my keyboard...

[tight bramble]

Can't believe @minor nymph knows time travel, smh

[nova bough]

7wpm

[frosty spear]

Hmm... No response so he is guilty punishment being... Thor is now metbal's hunan

[worthy ivy]

Thor stole the time machine from the DoE - that's why he left

[undone hatch]

I disagree with you, but I'm too busy surveiling the melons to disagree with you further. Lets hope the initiative ends up in a law that is okay. If not, I'll have a grand old time shouting at my parliament to not pass it into my country's laws.

[frozen sonnet]

I love Cyro

[worthy ivy]

had to get the machine up and running for his own nefarious ends

[vivid maple]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-laugh-i-cant-even-too-funny-gif-23538329

[umbral gazelle]

Thats how he mannaged to rip off star wars and make dune /citation needed

[wanton silo]

Depends on the model, and the prompt. I tell it what kind of sources to use and provide links sources which I can verify myself. It absolutely CAN make stuff up, but you can also tell it not to. Long as it's used responsibly and intelligently...

[jolly sky]

Thor stole my power through the DOE

even though I'm in an entirely different country

[tight bramble]

Can't believe Thor wrote 3 body problem

[worthy ivy]

"/and/ make dune" 🙂

these pictures are the same picture meme goes here

and those pictures and the same picture IRL

mic drop

[undone hatch]

Hey hey hey, someone from my country made a video game that people care about, don't steal our thunder!

[turbid flower]

Before people?

[grand sequoia]

well have you asked and had a conversation with them on why they refuse to acknowledge that? but that would be a bit of a loaded question so an actual debate with fact checkers would be nice with the starting question being more "is more detail necessary for the initiative?"

[tight bramble]

Thats....a very small placee in like the mid 90s

[fluid dome]

I do too! One of the things I keep not seeing in most soulslikes is that the element damage is just a damage modifier and not an investable skill, so I decided to go with those damage scaling options instead of Strength, Dex, Faith, Int etc

[split tulip]

the most important part is reviewing it, no matter if it's text or code. you're likely the one putting your name to it (and will face the consequences if it's wrong)

[steep surge]

Can't believe he put that giant, flying bug in my apartment as an attack smh

[vivid maple]

So what's the story behind the goblin lord thor meme

[faint rapids]

Make gaming chill again

[elder scaffold]

Thor's hiding the time machine in the ferret rescue!

[steep surge]

which ironically would make it unhappy again because we are, unfortunately, people

[worthy ivy]

chat is goblins - the rest is just the logical endpoint of that

[undone hatch]

We are goblins. We send him mail titling him the goblin lord so he has to go to the post office and announce himself as such. It is awesome

[grand sequoia]

ice age moment

[jolly sky]

Oh believe me, I've tried, and so have many, many others. We've been met with brick walls that refuse to even let the slightest bit of mortar crumble.

[steep surge]

Nah, you see the ferrets ARE the time machine

[tight bramble]

No wonder its going to be the biggest. Need all that power and revenue to keep it running! It all makes sense now!!!

[elder scaffold]

SO THATS WHY HENRY SPINS IN CIRCLES?! HES CHARGING UP!

[steep surge]

EXACTLY

he runs in the circles of the rituals

[grand sequoia]

?
has anyone actually invited 2 people on both sides of the argument and had an arbitrator and fact checkers and so on, if yes then why did one of the sides disagree? is there they wanted specifically?

[vivid maple]

I'm guessing the ferrets are test subjects for the machine

[worthy ivy]

Henry spins the sun fast enough that it bends space-time into a closed timelike curve that allows easy travel to and from the past

[umbral halo]

There are also initiatives where they were even more vague than this because the people initially involved didn't know anything about law. The initiative isn't there for lawmakers to suggest laws, its for the general people to bring up issues to the government to get them addressed. They're not going in to be directly translated into law. Also the initiative covered that it's not asking for those things to become compromised.

[gloomy forge]

Blessed .gif the macho man is the goat

[grand sequoia]

i havent seen anything like that on a middle ground with and an arbitrator

[tight bramble]

No as power generators

[faint rapids]

Shit wheel

[frozen sonnet]

That’s so cool! I love that!

[vivid maple]

That makes more sense

[umbral halo]

They rarely do things right in government, hope is the right word lmao

[rose echo]

Just wanted to quickly thank you for the comment the other day that reminded me of it. I had been meaning to check it out even years ago, but I forgot about it, until you reminded me of it when you recommended it randomly the other day. Thanks, I appreciate it.

[jolly sky]

Oh with an arbitrator? No not precisely. But there are people here who work the EU law as their job, and have provided enough detailed evidence of their knowledge to prove that which is as close as you can get in a Discord.

And they even refused to acknowledge their words so 🤷‍♂️

[tight bramble]

Can't believe Thor made the MegaPowers explode

[grand sequoia]

thats clearly biased

[high canyon]

Why is SKG guy going in comment sections of popular videos about SKG making it sound like this initiative will actually change something then?

[grand sequoia]

and i dont care to what side

[fluid dome]

Man, it's so refreshing hearing reasonable takes from Louis Rossman.

@jolly sky

[grand sequoia]

who is "they"

[undone hatch]

See now this we can agree on. I will say, the EU has introduced laws that have done great things for consumers. I just hope this won't be one of those cases where that law is skirted actively, like with loot boxes and Apple's charging cable tomfoolery

[worthy ivy]

something something grifting something something spending SKG money

[tight bramble]

Yall, YALL! We're missing the poing! Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.

[umbral halo]

And this initiative does this. If every initiative had to cover literally any and all possibilities and potential conflicts, they'd never make it in. Read the save bees and farmers initiative

[worthy ivy]

poing me in the right direction!

[jolly sky]

Look, like it or not, SKG and Ross is heading for an IP and Copyright law battle, and one that it is woefully unprepared for, refused to acknowledge, and just hand-waves away as an "Easy Win". And it is far, far from an easy win. Ross and the supporters of SKG are completely ignoring the absolute reality of that fact.

[indigo wadi]

other initiatives are specific though

[nova bough]

it proposes binding legislation or a recommendation? where

[frozen sonnet]

This still makes me sad, how could Thor do that

[frozen sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/tradfi-real-users-meet-crypto-gif-24004753

[undone hatch]

Oh, did I hear someone ask about my fantastic new invention? Have you heard of it? It's called the Turbo Encabulator!

[jolly sky]

Trev-JGtH.

[gloomy forge]

I feel by the end of this some need need to get a shirt saying "I came here to argue but all I got were these set of emotes "

[worthy ivy]

I heard he stole Chuck Norris' mojo so now Chuck gets his ass beat by the local stray cats

[steep surge]

Khronos too, no?

[frosty spear]

The luis rossman video is pretty good

[grand sequoia]

who?

[high canyon]

generous of you to assume there will be battle and lawmakers wont look at it, shrug, and toss it in the bin

[undone hatch]

I, for one, think there are far too few 7's in this chat

[umbral halo]

Don't know what you're asking, not to do with the comment you replied to (I think)

[worthy ivy]

apparently some baseball dude 🙂

7

[gloomy forge]

7

[steep surge]

7

[nova bough]

also, for save the bees...
it clearly states what they want done.

[high canyon]

7

[tight bramble]

The most testosterone-fueled handshake outside of predator

[gloomy forge]

Ahh yes, the best form of communication, o7 if you leave but 7 for literally everything else.

[livid path]

And it’s actually VERY VERY important

[quasi wigeon]

It's worth noting, that EU usually follows the Spirit of the Law, where as US is usually more Letter of the Law. This usually ends up meaning that even if a very specific thing isn't written in the law, it can still affect it. Where as US law is more strict in intepration and demands more specific writing of the law for it to be effective.

[tight bramble]

o7

[grand sequoia]

And they even refused to acknowledge their words so 🤷‍♂️
thats not the they i was asking abt, i meant the first they in this sentence

[undone hatch]

Btw, has everyone congratulated Thor on his 77th birthday? Quite an age for five ferrets in a trenchcoat

[gloomy forge]

Wait you're actually leaving ? well then have a good one.

[livid path]

Have you not seen the bee movie? Nature collapses without them

[tight bramble]

We've done some shit to bees, yall.

[nova bough]

bees are bros. wasps are the ones that can kick rocks.

[tight bramble]

No lol just being silly!

[umbral halo]

They're specifically stating none of that is to come into play. What they want isn't for companies to compromise their ip or copyright. But for future companies to not be able to rip games away from people without proper prior notice before making the purchase

[faint rapids]

God didn't create bees and we need them for survival

[idle hill]

NO, NO! The bees must stay! It's the mosquitos and flies that gotta go!

[frozen sonnet]

Facts

[gloomy forge]

Yeah I figured thats why I was askin

[toxic void]

mosquitos are food for other species tho so mmm

[rose echo]

Not sure if I forgot to ping you or not, so just to make sure (apologies if I did!) @livid path

[livid path]

It’s true regardless, it’s just an example

They’re MASSIVE pollinators

[idle hill]

as if bees' honey was not also food

[frosty spear]

Like his message is disregard Thor, ignore him here is what the movement would have needed to be better an he said he is going to bring in someone he trusts and has experience in the field to talk too. I also find it funny, with him being from new york and all, on Thor's call to "eat his entire ass"

[tight bramble]

We're a "goodbye" household. All my homies respect visitors!

[fluid dome]

I absolutely love Louis Rossman's take here, when Ross is talking about how he's the wrong man for this and that he's done with the initiative. Louis' only response is, "I don't care, sir."

[worthy ivy]

the most prolific pollinators on the planet IIRC

[jolly sky]

Oh. The "They" were the supporters of SKG that refused to accept or acknowlege that this is going to be an IP/Copyright battle

[nova bough]

they are very, very important tho :(

[faint rapids]

I said nothing about eating honey, read up

[worthy ivy]

if there's pollenation happening, there's a probably a bee doing the deed

[livid path]

Yes

[frosty spear]

Exactly

[worthy ivy]

that sounds wrong

somehow

[jolly sky]

They can state that "none of that is to come into play." all they like. That does not make it the truth.

IP and Copyright will be an unavoidable part of this Initative, whether they know it or not.

[livid path]

Bees are legitimately a critical species in the ecosystems they are present in

[tight bramble]

Bumblebees are my favorite cuz theyre chubby

[steep surge]

We do need them tho they pollinate plants and crops and all

[wanton silo]

I know, just taking mock offence to make a jovial point

[umbral halo]

They're calling for regulation and penalties for companies that are destroying or wrongfully revoking games. It's not fair even if they put a "we can do this whenever we want" clause in the terms

[brisk sparrow]

so you want total crop failure then? (/j)

bees are an incredibly important keystone species for many plants

[worthy ivy]

I got two different kinds of bees nesting in the garden and three other kinds come in from the heath

but I has wasps nest too, so not 100% swimming in bees

[nova bough]

where does it say this

[livid path]

Yeah wasps ah eh, but HORNETS CAN RETURN STRAIGHT TO HELL WHEN THEY COME FROM

[umbral halo]

You're missing my point, this isn't forcing companies to do this. Where exactly does it come into play?

[gloomy forge]

Awww hitting me with the cuteness what do the zoomers say? "Right in the feels"

[jolly prism]

Did the video just get snapped?

[fickle bluff]

You have absolutely no idea how much removing bees will mess up the ecology, 'cause they do a whole lot more than just honey.

[tight bramble]

Cuz theyre chubby!! Lol

[umbral halo]

On the initiative? Not sure how else you want me to give it to you

[brisk sparrow]

?

[gloomy forge]

Yeah and fluffy

[minor nymph]

Take it here #1390077365496840222

[brisk sparrow]

also if they are actively harvesting and you arent near a nest you can actually pet them (gently)

[jolly sky]

Through the methods it wants to implement..

With a lot of games (live service, MMO, games with match making) you cannot give the individual the methods to play that game without also handing over the IP/Copyrights of the game itself.

[minor nymph]

Containment channel has been made.
Direct people talking about SKG here #1390077365496840222
If they do not move to that channel their posts will be deleted.

[brisk sparrow]

ooh new channel

[jolly sky]

Noice

[gloomy forge]

@minor nymph thank you for your service o7!

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-salute-gif-27701630

[gloomy forge]

Not going there for the time being, I'm chillin.

[jolly sky]

While it's nice, I also hate that it needs to exist in the first place.

[jolly prism]

Ah, so that's why it was snapped.

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, its unfortunate but at least there is a place now.

[steep surge]

[split tulip]

are we back to the spice?

[frosty spear]

Could we also get a past thing, future thing and timeless thing to complete the symetry

[undone hatch]

I salute you Dr. Thor Hall, Goblin King, Prime Twitcher, Seller of Demos, The Hidden AI, Not-Five-Ferrets-In-A-Trenchcoat, Hailer of 7s and Infinite Birthdays

[tight bramble]

Can't believe Thor is managing his discord properly, smh.

[faint rapids]

Thanks thor!

[wanton silo]

I'm a professional engineer. I use it to find relevant standards quickly, and if it's getting specific information from those standards for me, I ask it to give me the Clause and Page number so I can go and read it myself. It's like reading the actual sources from a Wikipedia instead of just copy pasting the Wikipedia...

[undone hatch]

Just like I did in tts back in the day. Ah, it feels good to be a goblin

[vivid maple]

So yeah have you guys watched top gear

[wanton silo]

Wait I thought this WAS the containment channel 😅 I just got here today

[gloomy forge]

I did it back in the day.

[tight bramble]

Have the theme as my ringtone!!!!

[frosty spear]

It just got moved

To #1390077365496840222 with ya

[minor nymph]

This channel is for talking about the stream.

Hence, streamchat.

[fickle bluff]

You forgot Ever-retiring Streamer and *Prodigal Java Programmer *