streamchat

[thick ledge]

consider this: im an indie developer making an early access game

[pseudo grove]

true, but does not matter, because I hope the law is approved soon or later, and then is no more blaming and hate, gamers are tired already

[fluid dome]

TF2 and FF11:

[thick ledge]

im pushing updates like every month, big ones

[reef frigate]

Not bait

[thick ledge]

do i have to spend time making sure my game is ready to run without me incase idk i die or smth before i finish it

for every update

[tribal nest]

Good point

[thick ledge]

🤔

[steep surge]

I mean what do they wanna do if you're freaking dead

[tribal nest]

Then again, what would the government do? Sue your corpse?

[split tulip]

I guess they'll just have to fine your next of kin. quite grim really

[steep surge]

dig you back up?

[fluid dome]

Online only single player games are a mistake

[thick ledge]

i assume theyd fine my next of kin

since theyd technically own it

[jolly sky]

Old games.
That had server hosting in mind.
Where their entire design revolved around individual servers.
That have agreements that you also agree to host said servers.

Many games do not work this way.

[thick ledge]

now

even if they themselves have no hope of actually doing it

[fluid dome]

Yeah I know. That doesn't mean they can't work that way going forward

[split tulip]

so MMO's are dead then?

[steep surge]

Ah yes
I also always order an apple pie in a restaurant without apples

[pseudo grove]

push new gen devs/corpo/publishers to not being lazy and selfish

[frosty spear]

"Moisturizer me"

[thick ledge]

it just requires it to be left in a state where it will presumably last forever

[thick ledge]

woah wtf lmao

lazy and selfish?

jesus

[jolly sky]

Except you can't do that with many games without giving up source code/server binaries/assets

Now what

[pseudo grove]

sorry i forgot arrogance
that one is annoying honestly

[golden latch]

Maybe we should fix ip law first? 🤔

[fluid dome]

Weird, I don't recall saying anything about mmos...

[thick ledge]

my game isnt prepped to run without me so im arrogant, lazy and selfish?

where tf is your head at

[primal torrent]

OR explicitly state at the point of sale that this not a purchase that will exist, that the developer witholds the ability to take your purchase away from you. not in your TAC, at the point of sale

[frosty spear]

Man there people are only now discovering the game braking tech that is lying to the uninformed

[pseudo grove]

forgive my words, maybe games being deleted affect my mental health u know

[hazy storm]

Ok you've basically insulted the people who you're trying to convert

[split tulip]

I don't think insulting all game developers is the play

[pseudo grove]

you are lying and using a silly manipulative tactic, i see

[thick ledge]

...no, half this server is game devs

or aspiring ones

[primal torrent]

I don't understand how preservation is such a controversial topic. If I were a dev, why wouldn't I want my work to exist forever?

[reef frigate]

Do y’all leave stuff in early access for 7 plus years?

[frosty spear]

Show of hands who here has read a couple of paragraphs of copyright law of any European country

[golden latch]

Pound of honey versus pound of vinegar 🙃

[thick ledge]

most do, and most games do work forever

[golden latch]

Some games have been for longer

[thick ledge]

theres not alot of games out there that work this way

[steep surge]

because it can't exist forever without ongoing work or giving up rights
No matter what a power point slide says

[reef frigate]

Damn y’all lazy fr

[vivid maple]

https://youtu.be/voRUgM-RGeA welp another jackwagon to add to the already tiring idiots defending stupid shit

[golden latch]

And still being devd

[golden latch]

Nah but nice try

[primal torrent]

alright then

[thick ledge]

someone brought up an interesting point a few days ago

[jolly sky]

@pseudo grove We've literally described to you in very great detail how difficult it is to separate a game from the developers/publishers throughout the day at various points, and yet you still just say "Oh it's so easy just do it the devs/publishers are just lazy and selfish"

[thick ledge]

are videogames art?

[reef frigate]

7 plus years and temu undertale still isn’t done 😔

[opaque raven]

Yo peeps ☀️ I'm gettin home in ~1hr
Behave until I get there

[pseudo grove]

if I tell you I have more authority than Thor in the industry, would you believe everything I say?

[primal torrent]

well I guess I'll go play my original copy of Halo CE, bc it can't work forever then...

[thick ledge]

i dont believe everything thor says, so no?

[steep surge]

no?

[hazy storm]

Yes your honor

[thick ledge]

im friends with the guy and have called him on bullshit before lmao

[jolly sky]

If you are said "authority" then you wouldn't have been asking the questions you have been almost the entire day

[steep surge]

I also don't believe everything Todd Howard tells me even tho he has technically more authority in the industry what

[pseudo grove]

I even explained the possible solutions, like if is no option, to only make single games, but one guy attacked me personally, so...

[opaque raven]

No way!! Finally, fiiiiiinally a good drama thumbnail!!! I've been asking for this for a while!
Those low effort ones were very disappointing

[golden latch]

Oh, what game do you want to make? I love hearing of new games 😊

[jolly sky]

You'd have understood it from the get-go.

[frosty spear]

Ok so from my understanding, at least for Romania but we follow most eu clauses even if they aren't the most rigorously enforced, changing the books to allow for the wants of skg will also require touching copyright law in some way or another and knowing the politicians got knows what they'll seek in because someone payed them

[fluid dome]

They're both a product and a creative work, and also a service in some cases. I don't think it can be quantified by a simple singular descriptor.

[reef frigate]

I have no desire to make games, just want to see them persevered

[thick ledge]

if videogames are art, should the government be controlling what art you are allowed to make? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-destructive_art should this type of art also be illegal?

[steep surge]

I dunno if you're being sarcastic but I think they are just insulting heartbound

[thick ledge]

this is not a real argument im making, just food for thought

[split tulip]

the Unus Annus of video games

[golden latch]

Okay so what does that have to do with a games current development as its not released so isnt ready to be “preserved”

[pseudo grove]

is funny and innocent from your part say that

[frosty spear]

By trying to "save the game" will more than like get a f!ckup somewhere else in the books which is possibly going to make stuff worst

[golden latch]

I know they are insulting the game but if they have anything constructive this is my way of giving them an out

[steep surge]

what games have you made then

[reef frigate]

Video games are first and foremost a product that people buy

[opaque raven]

I think it's double sarcasm

[golden latch]

Im being kind even if they arnt

[reef frigate]

I just think it’s funny

[thick ledge]

@reef frigate you could argue so is like, a painting

@reef frigate but banksy created a painting that automatically destroyed itself, should that be illegal?

[steep surge]

ah, yeah sorry
I'm not always good at reading online tone

[fluid dome]

You can provide a service for a period of time. You are not obligated to run the lemonade stand 24/7. Though I don't think other people should be blocked from opening their own lemonade stands after yours is taken down.

[thick ledge]

its an interesting thought experiment

[reef frigate]

Okay?

[golden latch]

Gotcha, do you know why you find this particular string of events amusing?

[primal torrent]

if you didn't tell the customer that paid you money for it at the point of sale that this thing can spontaneously combust, yeah, I think that makes you liable

[thick ledge]

like i said im not arguing anything

[steep surge]

I mean, as an artist myself, no
If I wanna burn my paintings I DARN WILL

[thick ledge]

its just an interesting though

[ionic sleet]

this is the Type of stuff I have come across from other people during all this

"Doesn't take much to write a final patch that converts a game to run online via player hosted decentralized server settings. that's how most games ran online 25 years ago."

Too many Ill-informed people out there to teach them all the intracacies in a short time-span

[split tulip]

they can. just not using your sign or lemons. get life to give them their own lemons

[jolly sky]

But they also should not be allowed to take your literal lemonade stand, with your art and work put into it, and use it themselves

[steep surge]

I'll freaking eat them whole if I darn want to

[golden latch]

Its okay its very easy to misunderstand tone i try to use emoji to try and notate it better

[thick ledge]

@primal torrent banksey waited until the painting sold at auction and then pressed a remote button to activate a machine in the frame that shredded it

so that is the case with this paiting

painting

[steep surge]

nah, it's fine! That's on me haha

[pseudo grove]

Do not need to mention that, I do not need to probe anything here neither, I am not looking for fame or ego

[golden latch]

The artist self destruction of art a classic “preservation” issue

[steep surge]

oh...soo none?

[fluid dome]

Yeah, but a lot of lemonade stands can be legally distinct. What if I want to set up a cloudy lemonade stand instead. It's still a lemonade stand.

[golden latch]

What stage is the art “done”

[pseudo grove]

use better strategy please, is obvious what are you doing buddy

[thick ledge]

has anyone made a ticket about goody yet

[ionic sleet]

art is "done" as soon as the artist releases it to the public

[thick ledge]

i dont think theyre here to actually discuss anything

[golden latch]

When the artist dies and cant work on it anymore?

[steep surge]

I want to see if you know what you're talking about
Have you made something before?
I wanna know

[jolly sky]

But what SKG wants, whether it says it or not, is to use Your lemonade stand.

Give me your lemonade stand because I like how it looked and I want to keep it

[steep surge]

I haven't

[astral crypt]

discuss things without name calling

[golden latch]

And if they retouch it and give it different tone?

[fluid dome]

Well that there is the issue isn't it?

[pseudo grove]

I agree, no name calling here

[jolly sky]

Which should not be something that should be legally mandated to give away

[ionic sleet]

when they start to retouch it and when they rereleases it to the public.

is the period

[primal torrent]

no I just want my lemonade. you can keep the stand. I just want what I paid for.

[golden latch]

Which should be “preserved” how should it be preserved should they be lambasted for the change cause now it cant be enjoyed anymore?

[steep surge]

because somehow they think they have a right to your lemonade stand
for reasons of spending money there and being emotionally attached to it, I suppose

[pseudo grove]

I can say this: people we die, but games will keep alive..
so you can imagine how important are games for me

[jolly sky]

That isn't how that works in anyway in game design, or IP law and Copyright regarding video games

[fluid dome]

Though again, I think if the devs themselves communicate and are like "Hey, [community], we see you like our game enough to want to host your own servers. Here's a slightly stripped back version of the code we use to hose the official server. Have at it."

Would they not then retain their rights?

[ionic sleet]

then it should have explicitly stated that

[thick ledge]

im giving you lemonade in my own cup, drink it and give my cup back dude

[ionic sleet]

paid for the lemonade not the cup

[steep surge]

don't change topics, I asked a question

[jolly sky]

No, because it's also asking for everything that went into making that lemonade.

Whether SKG likes it or not, they're walking head first into a Copyright and Law argument and are woefully unprepared for it.

[split tulip]

the closest think would be a lifetime pass to the lemonade stand. when the lemonade stand closes that's end of that. you got what you agreed to: service for as long as the stand was there

[thick ledge]

imagine going to a resteraunt and trying to keep the dishware

[opaque raven]

I honestly believe many here need a rest and a reset. This has been going on for literal days

[thick ledge]

probably

[steep surge]

ah shoot I always eat it too
Have I been doing it wrong?

[thick ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stranding-sam-bridges-thumbs-up-hideo-kojima-norman-reedus-gif-27236384

[fluid dome]

I mean if I'm expected to tip I may as well /j

[thick ledge]

im going back to death stranding, a game with an online service that will eventually shut down and im ok with that

[steep surge]

yes, can we please normalise being okay with things not being there forever

[fluid dome]

Me when people use X and it won't be there forever

[split tulip]

for some events, like concerts, that's what makes them special

[pseudo grove]

please tell me after shut down will work with hamachi with a few friends in a LAN

[thick ledge]

why its a better analogy

[ionic sleet]

lets break it down.

• Lemonade stand (final product)
• Parts went into building lemonade stand
• Lemonade(final product)
• Cup
• lemonade ingredients/recipe

[thick ledge]

you want to keep the medium used to serve the product

[steep surge]

Imagine, how would SKG preserve X? Hypothetically? It's not possible since its user created content, right?

[tiny sleet]

Banksy destroying his art piece was a deliberate protest point I think, against commercialization of art, not trying to normalize the practice. It's hard to draw the line where live service games cross the line becoming anti-consumer. And that should be addressed, I think, and not a blanket "keep things alive after they are dead". Because that definition and effort would wildly vary from project to project.

[green plank]

why do i have to pay for food

why cant we make a consumer friendly movement to make all goods free

[split tulip]

stop charging for food

[pseudo grove]

matrix fake reality is expensive

[steep surge]

lemonade ingredients and recipe is the IP btw
copyright

[fluid dome]

Idk about you but charging mtx in a game that costs well over $60 is pretty anti consuner

[golden latch]

Maybe work on the restrictive ip laws first that has half of the arguments coming from cause the “defense” of ip is the main issue with the current stated intent. This allows the devs to if they wish release the dev tools to make your own servers for those games with a possible contract letting them be used in this specific way without fear of losing the ip. This is of course with adequate compensation for the dev tools development and choice from the devs to even release. Atm its not worth the time and effort and is actually a danger to do so.

[thick ledge]

as long as its cosmetic i dont really care

anyway time 2 drive

[ionic sleet]

I may give you a cup of lemonade but you only own the lemonade in the cup. you do not own anything else and cannot demand they give you anything else

[steep surge]

dont drive off a cliff again, Zaf
Eyes on the road
not on chat

[ionic sleet]

its a very good analogy

[wispy plover]

Keep on keeping on 👍

[thick ledge]

dont tell the new people i drove off a cliff looking at discord

[opaque raven]

Ironically the destroyed art immediately increased in value

"Banksy's attempt was ultimately futile, as the shredded work increased in value by some £17million" - ArtBroker

[jolly sky]

Good lord exactly not only this, but also many, MANY other things that people don't understand that SKG can't just work with "the flick of a switch"

[fluid dome]

DMC5 locking a weapon variant with an exclusive mechanic is a dogshit practice as is offering lazy ways to get blue orbs, and red orbs oh also offering extra devil breakers as additional content that should just be in the game out of the box is pretty shitty.

[pseudo grove]

is all good, we can just blame UBISOFT and all happy

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/fuzzolance-ambulance-drive-gosling-gif-8487904973116878780

[ionic sleet]

skg is trying to run before learning to crawl

[tiny sleet]

It definitely requires regulation. Because voting with your wallet doesn't work when catering to something unique that exploits people's primal urges.

[fluid dome]

Also while we're on the subject

[jolly sky]

Uhhh what weapon is this?

[turbid flower]

Question.
How will games that pay to use other IPs be allowed to make that freely available?
Like if I pay to have certain music in a game or I pay the rights to have pokemon in my game?
Will it be allowed to just be freely downloadable and used in other projects?

[tribal canyon]

this, i sooo hope they learn from this, talk to devs and come back with a 2.0 that builds from experience to be a better more fleshed out idea

[steep surge]

good question, actually
What about collabs in games

[rancid mauve]

I just saw Act Man do a hit piece on Thor... Ugh.

[ionic sleet]

that involves IP law and starting answer is "no you can't"

[fluid dome]

Cavalier-R has a move called Redline that Cavalier does not. Cavalier-R is also banned from Bloody Palace.

[ionic sleet]

so you have to deal with IP law to get to that point then

[pseudo grove]

use alternative IPs ?

[split tulip]

and who will repalce all 255 car models in the game?

[steep surge]

thats also still other ips tho

[split tulip]

at no cost to the developer or publisher

[ionic sleet]

ship of theseus at this point. is it still the original game you wanted to preserve?

[fluid dome]

It's almost as if Modders exist

[jolly sky]

Yea, if it has an in-game advantage then it can definitely be seen as shit behaviour, but the other things about the Extra Devil breakers really is just a customer choice. If they want an easier start to the game with more choices, then that is completely their choice

[steep surge]

if you want it as a law it can't run off of volunteer work tho

[ionic sleet]

if you want a pokemon game and they strip out all the pokemon, is it still a pokemon game?

[rancid mauve]

Modders cannot be relied upon as they operate usually in the gray zone

[split tulip]

so does the game go offline until modders who volunteer can replace all licensed assets? cause it can't stay in the game after the license expires

[ionic sleet]

"Great zone" would have also been fine lol

[rancid mauve]

It's autocorrect on phone...

[split tulip]

I wanna be in the great zone

[ionic sleet]

I have to clean so im backing out now.

[split tulip]

!dishes

[dapper raven]

Just do them. Hey, you, yeah you, chatter, you've got dishes, huh? Why are you leaving them out? Do em now! Stop waiting. Go do them. Don't even think about leaving them on the counter or the sink. DO. THOSE. DISHES yarrRage

[steep surge]

and how do modder created assets work in that context? As soon as you create an asset you have to give up your rights as an artist too?

[jolly sky]

You see how all of these things that are being brought up that seems simple from an SKG perspective can easily be picked apart and shown that it really isn't as simple as it is portrayed to be

And this isn't even the beginning

[turbid flower]

So it's released in a playable state (per the initiative) but with assets removed to comply with IP.
What if those assets are integral to the playable state?
Cars, models

[spare trellis]

offtopic but, has thor ever played deep rock galactic on stream? i remember there was a vote which included deep rock but it didnt win unfortunately

[steep surge]

noooooo

[gentle mortar]

huh, didn't know that one

[steep surge]

yeah but its been a while

[thick ledge]

i think ultimately

most skg supports just dont care about the creation side

[wispy plover]

This has been one of the biggest things that irritates me with the pro SKG crowd. The initiative can be reworded, reworked, and re-presented down the line. They act like if it fails, its dead forever. Maybe if Ross wasn't an armchair activist and actually gave a damn about his own movemement, he could be working on that right now.

[thick ledge]

they just want what they want

[fluid dome]

Like tbh idrc what kind of game or what kind of mtx it is. Its still additional purchases on top of the price of the game. You either make the game cheaper or f2p or you don't have mtx.

[pseudo grove]

pokemon stuff --> we know how nintento is insane .
however, is true, is another IP, so same stuff

[rancid mauve]

But on the subject, you are making an assumption that volunteers are going to do the legally gray work of inserting unlicensed content back into games...

[golden latch]

Yes he loves stone and eats rocks personally

[spare trellis]

i'd def stay up all night to watch thor play deep rock again lmao

he streams at like 2 am my time and im usually asleep by then

[steep surge]

an apple pie without apple while also charging the cook back

[fluid dome]

I mean if I buy a copy of RE3 Remake rn, it's mine and I own that copy. I should be allowed to modify that copy however much I want

[steep surge]

there should be vods on youtube, maybe

[split tulip]

I don't anyone here is arguing otherwise

assuming it is a single player game

[tiny sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/@PirateSoftware/search?query=deep rock

[rancid mauve]

That's going into moral vs legal arguments

[thick ledge]

i think after 5 years i should get all your games

me personally

[golden latch]

That is normal and legal you may lose any services added to that game by the company such as multiplayer or leaderboard status

[opaque raven]

Are the videos, faqs, shorts, arguments and etc about the topic still monetized? Yes? Ok, moving on ☀️

[thick ledge]

unfortunately i wont be taking no for an answer

https://tenor.com/view/give-it-cecily-strong-saturday-night-live-give-it-here-give-it-to-me-gif-25667018

[opaque raven]

I'm hyped to watch Blazing Saddles today!!!

[fluid dome]

Eat sand

[thick ledge]

D: how anti consumer of you

i should be allowed to consume

[turbid flower]

That movie is amazing!

[golden latch]

Consume sand

[thick ledge]

better

[golden latch]

Pro consumer 👍

[steep surge]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-kirby-anime-الطعام-gif-4848690

[hasty grail]

i recommended it to Radio last night given that they saw Spaceballs a few days ago

[pseudo grove]

all this chat gave me cravings for VR gaming

[opaque raven]

I was going to ping you!!!☀️
I'm already hyped, Gene Wilder is sooooo good

[spare trellis]

would you rather have games after 5 years but no bacon or no games after 5 years but yes bacon

[opaque raven]

Hope he is one of the main characters

[thick ledge]

bacon

[pseudo grove]

but cannot re-sell it or make profits from it, I bet thats for sure

[steep surge]

but thats also not possible with the current copyright laws
You're asking for something impossible

[jolly sky]

The problem is "remain in a functional playable state" and "avoids mandating things that would run afoul of copyright law;"

Is literally not possible* with a lot of games

[steep surge]

do you mean not possible

[opaque raven]

Oh Dan...please rest today

[thick ledge]

lol

[jolly sky]

Yea corrected woopsie

[steep surge]

you're good haha

[opaque raven]

You've been on fire for so long now, take a day off my friend

[pseudo grove]

had to install a mod in GTA IV anyways to bring back original radio stations because rockstar deleted a lot of the original songs in an update

[thick ledge]

dan is on fire?

someone put him out

[jolly sky]

Lmao I just read the sentence above mine and typed it, happens even at the best of times

[turbid flower]

And music is easy to remove.
But playable models aren't. They would either have to be re-worked to remove IP (time/money) or removed entirely.
That doesn't mean all games will then be unplayable. But car games would be.

[thick ledge]

unrelated

but if you play car games

my opinion of you diminishes a percentage

[jolly sky]

I am slightly on fire, it is warm here

[thick ledge]

that is all

[wispy plover]

I'm glad it's not just me

[thick ledge]

car games are on the level of playing madden exclusively to me

[spare trellis]

i used to play forza horizon 2, 3, 4, and 5, they got worse which each new one, then i lost all my progress for literally no reason on horizon 5, so i went back to american truck simulator and beamng drive

and some pacific drive

[thick ledge]

-5 respect

[steep surge]

now I crave arguing with Dan in vc just to know what his voice is like

[thick ledge]

sorry i dont make the rules

[turbid flower]

And that's fine. No condemnation towards you for not knowing.
I don't either and am just having a conversation.
If you agree with the initiative in spirit and want to support it. Then more power to you.

[opaque raven]

Zelda TotK can be a car game
Banjo Nuts and Bolts is also basically a car game
FF15 as well

[split tulip]

+5 respect

[jolly sky]

And that's the problem. Neither does the Initiative. It's walking into a Copyright and IP law battle that it completely oversimplifies and underestimates, along with game design.

A lot of us agree with what SKG wants, but completely disagree with the methods of going about it.

[spare trellis]

-5 bread

/j

[thick ledge]

MY BREAD

[wispy plover]

Just get a box you can sit in, and a frisbee. Sit in the box using the frisbee as a wheel and make car noises. I will have more respect for you.

[thick ledge]

ultimately i think something should be done about all this online drm bullshit, but not the way SKG is purposing

[opaque raven]

I might not survive tomorrow....

[spare trellis]

when i was younger i made race car noises with the shopping carts at the stores

[jovial grail]

The idea of remaining in a functional state for any live service title immediately kills live service games. The cost to maintain servers to host the game, long term copyrights to continue to sell and make the products, and similar long-term deals and taxes (as well as the muddier parts of where microtransactions go if the company dies or has to shell out) makes it get really, really costly really fast, until people host things themselves... which then runs into private servers that again runs into the copyright issues if the game is supposed to be still commercially ran.

[spare trellis]

is this is celcius?

[pseudo grove]

the proper fair methods will be discussed further, not yet, I know we do not trust the government, but its the way for now

[thick ledge]

not to mention, corruption on private servers

[opaque raven]

Yup

[jolly sky]

When I was younger in the car, I'd imagine Sonic running alongside the landscape as we drove

[thick ledge]

if you get banned from these fan run servers

are your rights being violated

[jovial grail]

TV may not have killed the radio star, but the sun being a deadly laser will. My condolences.

[thick ledge]

because you can no longer use the thing you paid for

[steep surge]

bruh we get 32 tomorrow
put my skeleton in front of Thor's stream so I can watch him from the grave

[opaque raven]

But gladly summer here only lasts for 3 weeks or so

[tribal canyon]

while he was shitting?

[thick ledge]

sorry but im not willing to sign off on something without knowing the plan that doesnt exist

[jolly sky]

Then it will die, over and over again until it actually decides to peek into the deep dark abyss that is IP, Copyright, and Game design

[split tulip]

I don't like the "fix it in post" mentality either

[spare trellis]

right now where i live its about 35c, but i also live in america so in cheeseburgers per grill its 95 fahrenheit

[steep surge]

how abooout thinking it through before proposing something?

[turbid flower]

And they'll find someone to blame everytime, probably.

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cousin-eddie-bingo-gif-12266523199863798063

[pseudo grove]

I do not think is fair to ask Ross to elaborate all the details + is not up to him, the guy is a lawyer is think, not a dev

[steep surge]

"someone"

[turbid flower]

Or updating it occasionally

[fluid dome]

They have Thor, they don't need anyone else to blame

[thick ledge]

ross isnt a lawyer afaik

he hired a lawyer to file the petition

[exotic locust]

He's a youtuber with a degree in criminal justice.

[turbid flower]

I left it vague on purpose. always potential that history won't repeat itself?

[thick ledge]

hes just a guy

[thick ledge]

who vehemently disagrees with several people who actually make the thing

[exotic locust]

and has done animation for a series he did in the Source Engine called civil protection but that was years ago

[golden latch]

https://tenor.com/view/legislative-bill-how-to-create-a-bill-law-paper-gif-15283797

[jolly sky]

Imagine there was someone who gave even a slight peek into these exact problems and was shouted at and said that "He's WRONG!!11!!" and was also sent harassment, death threats, doxxing attempts, and actual real life stalker behaviour

[pseudo grove]

that is not how works, I explained this before, basically the initiative cannot be given the procedure explicit details yet, in order to give space to further discussion on the proper time for it

[opaque raven]

The huge problem for me is that here everything is prepared for the winter, it's very rare for example for someone to even have AC since the summer usually lasts for only 2 or 3 weeks

[thick ledge]

that doesnt mean there shouldnt be a plan lmao

"if the intiative succeeds what do you wanna go for" "i dunno"

is really bad

[jolly sky]

Except there have been multiple other Initiatives that have been exact and precise with their goals and wants, and have been accepted

[pseudo grove]

is not people fault that games are being deleted, I do not think people wants to force devs, is customer rights at this point

[turbid flower]

I've heard that compromise will have to happen. But if there isn't a defined end goal then where does the compromise start. That's been an issue for me.

[thick ledge]

it keeps looping back to the people in support of SKG only care about consumer rights

and not the tangled web of BS that comes with this right they want

[opaque raven]

"We are being vague on purpose"
Ye ok

[thick ledge]

they simply do not carte

care*

[steep surge]

yeaaah that's the curse of living in the northern hemisphere, I'm assuming?
We don't have AC and stuff here either

[jolly sky]

You really aren't getting that this whole thing involves far more than just consumer right are you?

[thick ledge]

whats gonna happen is the same thing that happens to console ports

your gonna get european union versions of games

that will recieve no support after release

-shrug-

[jolly sky]

Either you're purposefully ignoring it just to stoke fires, or you really just haven't been reading the vast majority of everything that has been said to you

[tribal canyon]

or helldivers 2 approach

[jovial grail]

That still runs afoul of copyright and IP, as then you're not protecting your IP generally speaking. Contracts made with the game for say, songs, VA performances at times, or other additions from outside companies are made with that protection in mind, and only to the company running the game. If it's handed out to people to just run themselves, they have to purge those if the original contracts for such content didn't include the eventuality.

The problem isn't just getting game company to spend WAY more money just keeping the lights on for the servers, it's getting bigger companies doing half the licensing issues to bend to it and not just drop said licensing in most games outright, and the preexisting games for which these contracts, laws, and deals already are set that people want revived by the initiative, especially in cases where the studio that made such just isn't around anymore. Game companies would rather just alter it to be a watered down version for the region this takes place in than spend a kbjjillion euros keeping the lights on in the area.

[tribal canyon]

just not selling it there

[thick ledge]

many companies will just, not sell it there

[steep surge]

I have been there
I played stuff on console that's like worlds apart from the steam version and giga broken

[pseudo grove]

blame "the crew", was the perfect antecedent

[thick ledge]

yeah but also no one gives a damn about the crew lmao

all 200 people who were still playing it can just go, play something else

[opaque raven]

Ye, I'm close to the arctic circle and honestly we are planning to move even more north next year

[thick ledge]

we are talking about ripping up a huge swath of gaming because my funny car game no work

[steep surge]

but doesn't "the crew" also use liscensed car models?

[jolly sky]

TF2's console release is hilariously broken

[jolly sky]

Funnily enough yes it does!

And music

[steep surge]

take me with youuuu

pleaaseee

I am not made for this weather

[split tulip]

as someone who really enjoyed the Crew: it was dead

[nova bough]

cat

[steep surge]

I was made to bury myself inside a frozen over caveee

[thick ledge]

b-b-b-but what if i wanted to play it 30 years from now!

you cant take away my choice i wouldnt choose!

[pseudo grove]

the law will state what is more important, if is "consumer rights" or "IP/copyright",
devs vs gamers are not going to make a deal, neither corpos, so what is the better chance?

[thick ledge]

thats not fair

[steep surge]

I give up

[split tulip]

that's the risk of an online game

[thick ledge]

how do you know what the law will state

remember theres no specifics

[jolly sky]

A better written Initiative. Come back with a better argument.

[thick ledge]

literally no one knows what the law will state

[jolly sky]

If it wants to be done lawfully, it cannot be done "Unofficially"

[pseudo grove]

I am not informed about it, I just know people how bought the game could not play the game anymore

[thick ledge]

itll say whatever a bunch of random lobbists and euro politicians say it will

[steep surge]

dafuq you mean "unofficially"
You mean illegally?

[opaque raven]

Unironically my 9yo niece asked to come live with us, she is starting to really dislike the heat too

[tiny sleet]

Is it possible that participating in direct discussion with Ross would disarm a lot of the trolls that basically use their invented arguments to keep stirring the pot?
If Thor would ever agree to a direct discussion, Ross mentioned in his last video that he would bring a game dev as wingmen to help him argue the point.

And the possible discussion would look like:
"We will iron out things later when it start to becoming a law"
vs
"No, when it comes to some games they cannot conform to what initiative wants due to fundamental problems concerning licensing and other issues."
Would clarifying that not help to at least outline points of view properly and remove the shit-stirring?

[thick ledge]

why does thor need to engage ross to not get death threats

thats dumb

[pseudo grove]

is a well written Initiative, you think lawmakers are dumb to not know that?

[split tulip]

you can't do fulfull legal requirements "unofficially" if it's law it all has to be above board

[thick ledge]

yes

[steep surge]

See, as Dan stated as a reply to my question
IT DOES
So how do you want to go about getting the liscenses for the car models from the big car people to keep playing the Crew?

[jolly sky]

Either you're purposefully ignoring the complexities of the entire movement just to stoke fires here, or you really just haven't been reading the vast majority of everything that has been said to you.

[gloomy forge]

Maybe the SKG is the friends we made along the way.

[thick ledge]

i do think lawmakers a dumb

are dumb*

after watching them ask facebooks CEO how to unlock thier apple phone

yes

they are stupid

[steep surge]

one of us
one of us
lmao

[nova bough]

yes. they are likely that dumb.

[tiny sleet]

Because it's not coming from core community itself, it comes from people orbiting the argument and just love to hate pile

[split tulip]

have you seen laws

[pseudo grove]

I am not the one deciding that, EU will have to work on that, being fair as much as possible

[tiny sleet]

And this would help clarify battle lines more clearly

[rancid mauve]

So... You are expecting volunteers to do legally gray (most likely would be considered illegal) work...? For free? For your whims?

[steep surge]

oh, so you suggest the solution is...breaking the law?
Ah yes, that's such a good solution /s

[tiny sleet]

Because a lot of people just watch one side of the story

[turbid flower]

Yes. People are stupid and just because they are lawmakers doesn't mean they are smart or act in good faith.
But that's more me just being REALLY cynical. Probably too much.

[jolly sky]

Sigh I'm just going to refer back to this at this point;

#streamchat message

[thick ledge]

go look at who is actually in EU parlliament

[opaque raven]

So much effort down the drains
It was kinda funny to see this going in circles but now it's just sad and time consuming

[thick ledge]

and tell me you think any of them have more than a CURSORY understanding of what a videogame is

[split tulip]

I don't think they're on fortnite

[thick ledge]

much or less understand the complex nuances required to navigate this issue

[steep surge]

see
that needs to be clarified before proposing something
Not during
YOU guys want it, YOU guys need to bring an idea for a solution that works

[rancid mauve]

It's going to be interesting to see what kind of monstrosity the actual laws are going to be in the future if it passes

[turbid flower]

In the US we have had lawmakers basically say that the law will need to pass before we can know what's in it.
Someone wrote something down and they rubber stamped it.
Not the best move from an elected official.

[rancid mauve]

Yes, but what is done and what is legal, are different

[opaque raven]

No, and seeing that some believe that the initiative is well written and covers a lot of the possible problems thn ye, just give up at this point

[jolly sky]

Bombastic Side-Eye

[steep surge]

I just wanna say, you've been doing the Lord's work with the patience of a Saint, Dan

[wispy plover]

Here's a different tactic for you to chew on. People already think low of people who enjoy video games (dont bother debating the semantics of this. Every day John at his boring 9-5 with his wife cheating on him thinks you're a loser). You're gonna present to them this half thought out thing to the government. And expect them to take you seriously? With no thought past "getting it on the table?"

The government does not give a damn what the average person thinks. You need to be convincing. The only thing this is convincing of is needing a rewrite by someone with the correct credentials.

[pseudo grove]

if EU approved this , I will be your least problem here.

"The complexities" , are you trying sound smart or what?
An initiative is not a detail workflow, is in a political or legislative context the 1st proposal or action (often from citizens or organizations) intended to influence law or policy.

[nova bough]

id point to a very successful EU initiative- loot boxes.

they didnt take on all video games. they didnt take on all gambling in online stores...just loot boxes.

and it did great things.

SKG needs to narrow down their initiative to their corresponding "loot box"

[thick ledge]

i give up

[jolly sky]

Again, I refer you back to my previous point

[thick ledge]

people who support this thing arnt willing to engage the higher brain functions ofr it

so theres no use in debate

[worthy ivy]

I'm sure one of them asked Zuckerberg why their daughter couldn't get onto TikTok or some shit - what was it...? was during the hearings when he was drinking the water iirc

[hollow zealot]

Why are we insulting people now lol

[thick ledge]

its not insulting to say people arnt willing to engage on a meaningful level

[astral crypt]

Zaaaaaf

[hollow zealot]

Bro you're literally saying they don't have higher brain functions 💀

[nova bough]

"higher brain function" is a bit insulting.

[thick ledge]

you lay out a huge eloquent defense of your stance and theyre like "yeah but i wanna play my game"

[steep surge]

Go take a break, Zaf
Go play some delivery service simulator and close chat for a while

[thick ledge]

i said theyre not willing to engage thier higher brain function

[astral crypt]

y'all can just not engage if people aren't engaging meaningfully

[thick ledge]

not that they dont have them

[wet storm]

Do a search with from:me, it was several dozen messages

[astral crypt]

yes and it's borderline

[steep surge]

I will!
If you wanna talk Warhammer, my DMs are open btw

[thick ledge]

people dont care how

[astral crypt]

Don't take the bait. Don't be the fish. 🎣

[thick ledge]

they dont care the damage it would do

[opaque raven]

My very honest take, and please understand my point
This has been going for days, many here are clearly tired and will ofc eventually lose their patience and say things that they don't really mean or with a bad choice of words
☀️ Please take some time off this topic ☀️

[thick ledge]

they just want thier game

game dev landscape be damned

[turbid flower]

Well. I'm going to go and touch the green stuff that grows in the sun.
Pray for my survival.

[thick ledge]

indies can go bankrupt for all they care

[wet storm]

It started here
#streamchat message

[hollow zealot]

Why don't we fix the initiative then instead of insulting???

[steep surge]

oh you're spoiling me, thank you!

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/aguhiyori-agu-seal-agu-cute-seal-seal-clap-gif-7994364550587801526

[thick ledge]

the people weve been debating for hours dont think the initiative needs fixing

or any sort of plan for if it passes

[split tulip]

it's been spinning in circles for days

[nova bough]

cat break

[steep surge]

dude, give him a break
It's been days of this crap
and if you want the initiative to work, people who support it should fix it
not us

[split tulip]

one side asks "how?" and they other says "don't worry about it". I don't think there's much more to be gained

[astral crypt]

I told him it was borderline and I am watching him.

The makers of the movement have refused to edit/fix the initiative.

[split tulip]

have a lovely night y'all

or day

[astral crypt]

night!

[gloomy forge]

I mean its not a bad thing to just let SKG pass to see how it could be done in terms of legislature and all. Maybe some people may reconsider copyright laws, which honestly is one of the more complex systems of laws there is, with a lot of loopholes and exceptions and all. Maybe theres gonna be discussions about that too. I feel like copyright laws should include that IPs should somewhat be taken care of the publisher in a constant basis.

[rancid mauve]

Just slow down and boil down what is being done, and explain it to a judge.

You are using a modification to add licensed copyright material to a game when you have a legit copy of the game that had the material removed because the licencing expired. How are you not technically breaking the law?

I personally understand why you did it, and morally, it makes sense, but legally, it doesn't hold up. You are violating the rights holders rights.

[gloomy forge]

have a nice sleep @split tulip

[boreal flower]

anytime i hear someone say 'don't worry about it' my red flag alarm goes off to say a scam is incoming...

[thick ledge]

the people running the initiative have said repeatedly they are not willing to compromise or discuss specifics

if people are refusing to think critically about it, then theres no arguement to be had and we will just have to ride out the consequences

[boreal flower]

keeping kind of an eye on this while watching an update vid about marathon

[hollow zealot]

Honestly the only way this is ever gonna get resolved is if Thor actually goes to talk to Ross

[rancid mauve]

Considering what lawmakers tend to do, and the influence of money and political pressure, I am not looking forward to the end product.

[steep surge]

I mean, thankfully it has failed
but we do need to ride out the hate shit storm, I suppose

[wispy plover]

Thats not gonna fix the inititative though

[hollow zealot]

It's a start

[thick ledge]

why does thor need to talk to ross

ross said he isnt willing to change anything

so what would the point be

[steep surge]

I mean, those people attacking him could also just...stop
you know
Thats an option

[late bane]

Just dropping by to say Thor's tell your mother to shave dig on the guy saying he bangs ferries was hilarious

[thick ledge]

other than more content

[gloomy forge]

@rancid mauve yeah thats a reasonable assertion that happens quite a lot during law making.

[astral crypt]

omg I forgot to clip that

[nova bough]

ive had my fill tbh, i just come by to occasionally throw in a thought or two and post cats.

because ive come to my conclusion about the whole thing and have posted it multiple times. nothing will really change minds here in the chat. they've already made up their mind and nothing will change it

[hasty grail]

ye, that was a VERY funny moment

[steep surge]

huh

[hasty grail]

someone said that Thor bangs furries

[gloomy forge]

@nova bough and thats fine, some people may think of things differently. The process of changing someones opinion takes time and maybe a lot of energy.

[late bane]

Looking through stream clips now and its there

[hasty grail]

Thor clapped back with "then tell your mother to shave"

[nova bough]

i dont think ive seen anyone change their mind

[steep surge]

Was that today?

[red halo]

Hi, I'm a little confused on what happened cause the stream is separated into 2 streams?

[hasty grail]

ye

[thick ledge]

you signed away those rights in the EULA you didnt read

[hasty grail]

windows decided to update NOW

[golden latch]

Thor windows die

[gloomy forge]

Because you're asking for a "speed up x50000" button. Changing ones opinion can take decades.

[thick ledge]

people could always, read the document theyre digitally signing and then return the game if they do not like what it says

[nova bough]

i mean, skg isnt gonna last a decade.

[red halo]

Everything makes sense now

[thick ledge]

thors irl window died Sadge

[late bane]

This is disgusting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLAu0Co120A

[gloomy forge]

I feel if it passes, the discussions how to include and incorporate with with the already existing laws it will take half a decade.

[steep surge]

I think a few days ago he also clapped back to something with "Then tell your mother to stop calling me. It's getting concering."
Or something along those lines
Absolute gold

[worthy ivy]

and then it won't be like that

[jolly sky]

lmao with deep troughs of Copyright and Law it wants to jump into, it very well may do, if not longer

[worthy ivy]

still crying

[golden latch]

Also you could send a revised and signed digital copy to the games legal team and see if they sign the contract authorizing the changes back to you

[edgy oar]

Thank you for another channel to block

[wispy plover]

No, talking is a circle. This was Ross's initiative, not Thors. Thor has no reason to fix Ross's initiative. Ross has every reason to fix his own initiative. Instead he chose to wait 10 months, and start crying about it now. And then blame Thor for his shortcomings in the matter.

[shy mist]

The whole point of campaigning for rights is to stop certain things from being legal to include in those EULAs

[worthy ivy]

not laughed that hard in a while

[pseudo grove]

Let’s be realistic, the discussing specifics fairly would require a multidisciplinary group of experts at the same table :

Like, the developers, legal professionals, preservation advocates, and yess, even the much criticized hated corporations. It’s not a matter of refusing to compromise, but of recognizing that meaningful discussion on such a complex issue can’t happen in a vacuum or without the proper stakeholders involved.

Anything less it would risk being unbalanced or incomplete. ⚖️

[steep surge]

thank you

[late bane]

At the end of the video he tells his viewers to hate Thor. And then in the comments asks viewers to post why they hate him.

[nova bough]

i mean technically it could. but likely its either not going to get enough signatures, or EU is going to go "lol no"

[thick ledge]

the experts youre referring to? CEOs of big gaming companies that do these things

[steep surge]

GOLD lmao
I need to watch the VOD to find that
I wanted to watch him play SM2 anyway

[thick ledge]

they will not be inviting preservation advocates

[golden latch]

Needs that comment farming for the algo some how

[nova bough]

and if it does go through its out of our hands. the EU isnt going to talk to us. theyll talk to AAA studios, id bet.

[worthy ivy]

#streamclips

[thick ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/report-block-blocked-reported-die-gif-2717402674895639042

[gloomy forge]

@late bane I'm sure all reasons regarding hating on Thor are evidence based pieces of information and are all handpicked to be true and real

[rancid mauve]

Again, you are making a moral argument, which holds no bearing in the legal context. The rights holders agreed to having their materials in the game under certain conditions. It is outside of the agreed conditions. Thus, violating their rights.

[thick ledge]

give this gamer a channel strike then

posting hateful content with nothing constructive is against youtube ToS -shrug-

[pseudo grove]

big companies gives lot of jobs (taxes) ,I bet EU will consider that too, that's the point there

[astral crypt]

The dude in the video went, "You should hate Thor and everything he stands for." I'm over here having escaped a domestic abuse situation and is now safely housed because of y'all and Thor. OKAY BUDDY

[pseudo grove]

preservation of games is main reason of initiative, so is not logical?

[thick ledge]

yeah hes a real scumbag

[nova bough]

yeah, but a big company doesnt have the same resources as a small indie dev.

[thick ledge]

incorrect, the main point of the intiative is to make it illegal for games to sunset without providing means for the fans to keep playing it

preservation is a side effect

[jovial grail]

... If it's done illegally then the whole initiative loses traction, as this is an initiative to get governmental oversight which means it has to be done legally. If the end result is that people have to pirate and run things illegally, that's... almost exactly what most private servers being run are doing. Which means the initiative fails in implementation. The goal of it was never the issue, but the implementation.

[rancid mauve]

Ah, fuel for the outrage machine that is run by the engagement... Praise the algorithm gods...

[pseudo grove]

so indie devs should have advantages then, to balance it, and honestly I prefer more advantage to indies, AAA is trashy lately

[thick ledge]

those indies would die

under the current goal

if i have to dedicate extra resources to keeping a model ready to drop for fans when i can no longer support the game

[fickle bluff]

Even more reason to hate him! How dares Thor deprive you of your domestic abuse experience!?

[thick ledge]

thats a prohibitive cost

that will kill many companies

most indies ALREADY run deep in the red

[pseudo grove]

preservation = not kill games
On that regard

[steep surge]

WHAT
oh my god, I'm so sorry
I'm glad you're safe now

[thick ledge]

like i said though, theres no point debating this

nothing is going to change

[gloomy forge]

@astral crypt yes but don't you know? everyone affiliated with Thor is the problem! grrrr because they came after our video games. Jokes aside I'm sure most people don't even know why they hate him, its just that hes the "unlikeable villian" because of narratives and stories. Every successstory of a movement needs good and bad guys. For everyone who sees the drama its nothing but a story. I stand by my argumentation that 99% of the haters don't even know much about the Thor, the haters that try to stir up "old information to be used to harras thor" are the writers of this story.

I'm glad you came through the situation unscaved btw and hopefully you turned into a stronger person because of it. More power to ya 🫂

[nova bough]

i really doubt the EU knows enough about the industry to talk to them and take what they have to say into consideration and balance it against big corpos.

again, it all comes down to how well EU/lawmakers know tech. which... is pretty much nonexistent

[thick ledge]

ross is not willing to change so none of it matters

[astral crypt]

right? people don't know and that's fine I don't wanna blast it everywhere. But yeah. When he talks about taking care of the mod team. Khronos and Thor took care of me while I was leaving that situation and, oh by the way, having surgery to save my life. I laugh at the haters. They don't know Thor.

[gray fable]

when does it stop?

[rancid mauve]

I have a good feeling that if SKG goes through... There's going to be a monkeys paw situation.

[astral crypt]

I've come out of it and am healing. Those mental health benefits Thor talks about? Yup. That was me. Therapy twice a week. Solid job. Solid friends. Solid birth family. I'm hecking lucky and I know it.

[wispy plover]

The ride never ends

[gloomy forge]

It is IMHO very telling that the "stop killing games" short from PirateSoftware was ignored for almost a year by anyone. Nobody voiced criticism about Thor that has lead to harrasment. But now they see Thor weak so vultures be vulturing.

[astral crypt]

I only share my situation so y'all, the community, have more evidence to know Thor is for real. And so are my coworkers for that matter

[shy mist]

As an indie I would be ashamed to sell something that I might have to disconnect a few months later without the buyer being able to continue using it.

So law or not, if adhering to this standard of a respectful end-of-life is too much into the red line for an indie, honestly he should not be selling that in good conscience

[astral crypt]

Mhmm ya @gloomy forge Very well could be

[tribal canyon]

when they have a new victim

[gloomy forge]

@astral crypt thats awesome to hear, I wish ya all the best but that goes to anyone

[thick ledge]

sometimes this is out of our control

[astral crypt]

Yeah right back at you @gloomy forge !

[thick ledge]

but that would be irrelevant in the face of the law

the risk would simply be too great

[rancid mauve]

They needed a witch to burn at the stake for attention. Thor just has crass and abrasive ways of bringing up a lot of subjects, so he is easy to hate.

[thick ledge]

failing would mean being in actual legal trouble

thats something that disgusts me

ross absolutely knew what he was doing with this

he simply didnt care

[boreal flower]

who would ever want to 'go make games' with that sword of damocles over them?

[nova bough]

i wish all the mods, and Thor too to have better days. y'all are awesome, and noones opinion deserves what y'all got. online people forgot how to be decent human beings, and yall got hit by it.

[thick ledge]

ive not seen him apologize for dropping the roof on all our heads, or anything of the sort

except posting a video celebrating that the haters got him more signatures

[radiant escarp]

honestly the more I see stuff like this pop up, the more I think that Thor could make defamation claims against some of these people.

[rancid mauve]

The Internet hate machine is exhausting.

[steep surge]

Jesus Christ, Maggie, I'm so sorry. I'm very glad Khronos and Thor got you outta there.
As someone with C-PTSD and having lived under abuse for the two decades of my life so far, I feel you deeply.
I hope you can continue to heal and hopefully be at peace some day

[astral crypt]

passing this along to the team. Appreciate you

[shy mist]

I'm of the opposite opinion, I'm happy that game isn't being made and sold at risk to the costumer. In that one case, I'm happy for the law to act as deterrent

[tribal canyon]

if being open about MH, all this doesn bring up alot for me as been on the end myself with harrasment campains online, its eye opening how easily people will bare face lie when there attack lines dont hold up

[thick ledge]

the man has been on the internet for 2 decades

hes acontent creator

he knew what would happen

[gloomy forge]

I've been a stern supporter of things adjacent to SKG (DRM free games, long-term compatibility, publishers shouldbe forced to take care of their age old IPs or give them to others, etc.) but this sort of dramatic storytelling has to stop. I simply don't like "Bulling is OK when it is THIS person."

Not only that, but Thor is right on one huge part. The guys who're all "never cancel culture someone" were the first to pick up the pitchforks.

[gray fable]

i swear the argument has gotten to "this person disagrees with me and won't apologize for it, he must be a narc" when Thor seems more like a dork given his interests

[astral crypt]

Oof hugs back to you! It's hecking rough, but "still I rise" as a wise woman once said We got this

[astral crypt]

He's a total dork

[late bane]

I've gone through and blocked all the react streamers. They all same the same things anyways one after the other. They won't show up in my recommendations anymore.

[wispy plover]

Yeah where was their input 10 months ago?

[thick ledge]

no where

because they dont actually give a shit

[wispy plover]

exactly

[thick ledge]

its about those sweet sweet views

[gray fable]

the guy who's primary interests are ferrets, mushrooms, and psychic damage, is not really a narc

[gloomy forge]

All content creators are narcissists to a degree. Sometimes the ego rubbs someone wrongly and its public perception stuff. Its all about charisma and that stuff like that (its more complex of course). I don't think Thor is an unusual case.

Yeah true, a lot of people think the talk with Dr. K. is waterproof evidence that Thor is a giganarc.

[thick ledge]

"this issue is SO important to me, that ill attack thor, even though i could have been supporting this for a full year and havent bothered'

[gloomy forge]

I dunno, Dr. K. spend a lot of time saying Thor isn't and that the situation is obviously more complex considering the comminication.

[jovial grail]

People like to see 10 seconds and misconstrue things wildly.

[steep surge]

oh, it is rough but yes, we got this!
I can't tell you how often I have woken up from night terrors and turned on Thor's stream just for distraction and some piece of reality. His voice and the Heartbound OST instantly calm me down now. When I'm there for the start of the stream, that first track, it's soothing like cool water for a burn

[wispy plover]

I think it's just how Thor communicates, and people having an issue when someone sounds smarter than them. It makes them insecure, and therefore, hes being a giant meany pants doodoo head!

[astral crypt]

Yes!!!! omg before I left I would mod at like 3am my time cuz I couldn't sleep. Helped so much

[late bane]

Thor is all about encouragement and providing helpful tools and knowledge

[astral crypt]

facts @late bane

He mentioned ADHDers needing an auditory feedback for task completion. I bought a chime. Guess who uses it after chores now??

[gloomy forge]

But honestly, Thor isn't exactly "just some nerd doing shit". hes a millionary and a popular figure. I feel you could argue for a sort of class seperation here (viewers/chatters vs streamers) but also I feel a lot of streamers pretend they're just dorks. Streaming in general feels less genuine in general and the risks that come with it is the stuff Thor goes through.

The evidence that Thor is at least good hearted and genuine is there though, the stuff about Thor helping out his team of workers is fantastic. Just making a statement here

[rancid mauve]

Man there were so many people that didn't actually pay attention to Dr Ks conversation with Thor... And they use it like proof of their biases when Dr K made it very clear that it's more of a problem with both the communication style of Thor and also others being insecure of themselves.

[thick ledge]

i have known thor before he was a big creator

he is just a dork

sorry

he only got big like a year ago

[astral crypt]

yup ^^^

[gray fable]

(its a joke because time zones) the only problem with thor is whatever his sleep schedule is to be streaming at 3 in the morning

[thick ledge]

hes been streaming for 11

[late bane]

He provides actual tangible value to Youtube/Twitch and its viewers. He provides a real service not just entertainment.

[gentle mortar]

cant believe it, that means he's a real narcissist, truly

[golden latch]

I mean the website alone is a huge moral boost

[nova bough]

he throws most of his mone back at his intrests or at charities. i would be super surprised if he was actually a millionaire

[thick ledge]

the same people who shit on thor for being "fake" are the same people that would tell you that you cant do it, and that youll never amount ot anything

[jovial grail]

From what I saw of that conversation with Dr. K, it's a problem people have with communication in general nowadays. Assumptions of other's intents, mindsets, secret agendas (if any), and issues they have, without considering that often words are just words with no ulterior motive or meaning. And people react very emotionally when they're made to feel dumb, intentionally or not, which when someone spends a fair amount of time just wanting to learn, interacting, and learning, it's not hard for people to decide "Oh he's going to tell me what to do and that I'm wrong well I'm gonna just get him first so no, nuh-uh" to everything. And that's a very vocal, dumb, minor part of the crowd that think in absolute black and white morality and if ANY slight happens to them, they abandon the whole thing, and they keep willfully ignorant of things they want to otherwise support.

[astral crypt]

oh ya he for sure isn't haha

[nova bough]

also, being a millionaire is not what most people think it is. at least not the low millions

[fickle bluff]

I read it as "screaming". Yeah, me single braincell - totally fried.

[gloomy forge]

@thick ledge Yes I'm not arguing against this, please don't think I'm coming from the perspective that "streamer bad". Its just money can play a huge part in things as you probably know. Thor could be unchanging and thats cool. It shows that he "is stable and unwavering". Cohh said it best like 4-5 years ago. Big streamers stream because of money and that plays a huge part.

[thick ledge]

i mean the company might have something like that, but that isnt his personally

[steep surge]

oh, yeah, I can imagine! The Insomnia from the hypervigilance is the worst.
Most nights I turn on the Vods or the ferrets or take naps during the streams because it's the only times I can actually fall asleep!

[rancid mauve]

gestures to everything broadly yup...

[astral crypt]

I totally get it.

[jolly sky]

Then every single model, asset, design, every piece of code would also be removed. As that is the artists/developers copyrighted material, the only reason you can play with it, is because you have been given the license upon purchasing to do so.

[gloomy forge]

@nova bough Yeah maybe he isn't, obviously I'm generalizing because these huge drama youtubers syphon emotional investment to turn it into cash essentially.

[thick ledge]

people are all about artists rights, until it mildly inconveniences them, then the artist can get bent

[jovial sandal]

but remember, the initiative isnt going after copyright at all /s

[gloomy forge]

100% thats literally what has been said there.

[nova bough]

oh yeah people are totally using the hate on thor bandwagon to make money. and thats so freaking sad and horrible.

[fluid dome]

I don't really know @minor nymph like you do @astral crypt but I do know this:

I don't have much going on in my life. Not many friends, really, and I deal with low self esteem, self confidence and spiralling thoughts compounded by crippling anxiety and the inability to read social situations. It feels pretty isolatory some times, and it often feels like I should just give up.

But I know I can't.

I know I can't because none of you have given up. Every single one of you are amazing. I tune into the streams almost every day when I can, I watch all the shorts and try to be present when possible.

Watching his content last year was LITERALLY the only thing I could do in my situation in terms of where I was at. I would not be alive right now if I wasn't pushed to live not only for myself but for the very few people I have left in my life right now.

I am so incredibly grateful for being welcomed into this community and for all the respect and the love and the advice that everyone shares. It makes me sad when everyone rides the hate train against Thor because again, he kinda saved my life in a sense.

So Thank you.

Really.

[steep surge]

You can tell him what I said, btw, if you want. Maybe it will help outweigh some of the hate storm, to know he's tangibly helping people.
I was thinking of writing him a letter at some point too but I have to paint some ferrets first haha

[jolly sky]

And people literally took singular clips out from that stream, just to make it "seem" like Dr.K was calling him a Narcisstic. Which he at multiple times during that stream, refuted.

Dr.K does not mince his words. If he thought Thor was an actual narcissist, he would have said so.

[astral crypt]

I'll share this with the team if you're alright with it

I'm so very glad you're still here!!!

[fluid dome]

Go for it, idk if thor will see it I just had to get it out there

[astral crypt]

will do! I'll pass it along.

I've been thinking of writing him a letter too. It's nice to get something other than hate mail

[astral crypt]

You got it. The team will see it for sure.

[jolly sky]

And I'd argue that the only people who get into further trouble as a result of Thors streams, are ones that willingly walked into it.

[steep surge]

And we appreciate you being here too

[steep surge]

Thank you! And definitely. Especially in times like these

[gloomy forge]

I'm new to the community but I still support everyone on here and what people go through, everyone is a silent hero in my opinion

[astral crypt]

We all fight battles no one else knows about, I wager

[gloomy forge]

"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle"

[astral crypt]

YES!

I found that quote as a teen and have simply lived by it

[thick ledge]

how do i reconcile this with the advice of tf2 sniper "have a plan to kill everyone you meet"

[astral crypt]

well, to the best of my abilities

[thick ledge]

🤔

[nova bough]

we all do. we all have shit, if not today, in the past or in the future.

also cat.

[astral crypt]

omg Zaf

[jolly sky]

Lmao I was literally about to post;

And like in the words of the Sniper from TF2;

Be polite.
Be Efficient
Have a plan to understand everyone you meet

[shy mist]

Bro let them have their community moment. Not every hour has to be SKG

[steep surge]

OH I have something for this

"Do no harm but take no shit."

[opaque raven]

And thn again....they chose the most innocent looking picture of Thor to put on the thumbnail...
I miss the time when people put effort on drama

[jovial sandal]

I'd say something to resolve the discrepancy, but it'd get me a finger wag from the mods

[dusk pine]

I'm always overwhelmed with how big the community is but I will also say this community, both in stream chats and here on the discord, have always felt so full of love and support. Building each other up and helping each other and it's been refreshing to see. And helped when days got dark.

[thick ledge]

theres a pic out there of thor at like 25 just TEARING into a sandwich

eyes wild

[jolly sky]

You haven't been able to do that with media since Records were the new thing. I'd advise everyone who wants to argue in favour of SKG to start there instead.

[gloomy forge]

I feel "take no shit" also means you should be nice and explain things. It depends on what is being said and the argumentations. Everyone has their cross to carry IMHO.

[steep surge]

the one in the wiki? With his hair all over the place?

[thick ledge]

ye'

[steep surge]

I still refuse to believe that's Thor
It looks so...feral lmao

[thick ledge]

wild starved animal eats sandwich

[wispy plover]

new cursed YT thumbnail for villain thor commentary video incoming

[steep surge]

exactly! feral!

[fluid dome]

Thank you

One of the things that I've started to do is to try and focus on something I like doing. Which is why I have all these wacky characters I keep making. And I keep making lore for. It distracts me from the rainclouds

[opaque raven]

Seal hug ☀️

[thick ledge]

computer, pull up feral thor

someone get that pic

[nova bough]

"you're not you when you're hangry"

[fickle bluff]

That be true. On average human body produces around 400 grams of shit every day. That's about 145kg a year.

[astral crypt]

Ooooooooh creativity saves!! I am so happy you're doing that! so smart

[golden latch]

!wiki get it yourself

[dapper raven]

Check out our community-driven wiki network! https://piratesoftware.wiki

[jolly sky]

Wait wrong one

[thick ledge]

wtf

[rancid mauve]

[thick ledge]

its chicken

not a sandwich

[wispy plover]

Fried Thor isn't real chat... H-he can't hurt you!

lmao

[gloomy forge]

Wait, thats Thor ?

[thick ledge]

ye

much younger

[astral crypt]

hahaha Ren Fair!! that looks like a Ren Fair turkey leg

[jolly sky]

I mean if you aren't making that face eating fried chicken/turkey, are you really eating fried turkey?

[gloomy forge]

bro is reverse aging.

[astral crypt]

I have a picture of my daughter tearing into one at like 2

[golden latch]

Where is the sub sandwich baby ?

[jovial sandal]

bad fried chicken, maybe

[wispy plover]

And there's someones new Ant-Thor Thumbnail. Replace the chicken with video games.

[fluid dome]

Yeah! I love to write, especially a lil extra world building for my characters. I even adopted one as my sona hehe

She so silly :3

[wispy plover]

We done did it internet

[gloomy forge]

Hes the western Hirohiko Araki

[astral crypt]

Oh LOVE that

[jolly sky]

It's not an "injustice" It's a means for artists to sell their art, and still own it.

[steep surge]

aww you have a daughter? Cuute!

[jolly sky]

Solve that problem. And then come back to the SKG argument

[opaque raven]

What's "sona"?

[fickle bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037106921452351528/1388973085763567696/Thorball.gif

[astral crypt]

Yup! She's the best

[thick ledge]

a sona is like an avatar

[jolly sky]

Anyway, back to unhinged Thorposting;

[steep surge]

short for persona
Like an internet-persona or a character that represents you

[wispy plover]

Idk. Could be a ligma

[golden latch]

I make a copy i sell to you so you can see the details and design i still own the original copy and the copyright and ip around said piece.

[opaque raven]

Ooohhh ye, got it, thanks

[golden latch]

Digital Copies are exactly that

[golden latch]

Ferangi?

[wispy plover]

"Hey kid! Wanna code some vidya games!?"

[fluid dome]

Goober

[hard jackal]

Thorengi

[steep surge]

As an artist....
huh??
I absolutely do own the rights to my paintings even if I have sold them

[wispy plover]

Not another Thorengi lmao

[hard jackal]

Tbh, this was the original one. Khronos then ordered me to make another one but make it shitty.

[jolly sky]

And see this is what SKG supporters don't understand. Yes you can, and have been able to for decades

[golden latch]

Thingon

[jolly sky]

Bang bang, you are dead, not big surprise

[jovial sandal]

I can sell copies of my art, or the rights to broadcast my music. Neither act removes my rights over my work

[boreal flower]

sounds suspiciously like the argument of 'well you posted it on the internet, that means it's free for anyone to take and use' that's plagued artists for ages even before genAI was a thought

[wispy plover]

Honestly, Khronos transition screens give me life

[jolly sky]

Lmao they're all good

[glossy raft]

Can we stop it stop killing games

[fluid dome]

The stream ad thingie should just be a randomly selected Thor photoshop

[glossy raft]

we can stop it

[jovial sandal]

but I was gonna kill another 6 tonight

[steep surge]

I painted Thor as the God-Emperor of Dune two days ago!

[jovial sandal]

now my evening is ruined. Ruined, I say!

[thick ledge]

AND THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN GAMES TOO

[opaque raven]

"Now he is killing video games, what's next? Hide your kids, hide your wife"

This would be a waaaay better drama thumbnail

[glossy raft]

i all for losing my games

[boreal flower]

i just did a dozen runs of kuva siphon missions in warframe, i'd say the game killed me first 😭

[hard jackal]

I also made a Khrodo. (Odo?) that pushes the Thorengi away. Was not yet shown I think.

[thick ledge]

wtf achilles lMFAO

[jolly sky]

Holy shit thats incredible

[nova bough]

i did just lose the game. and so did you all. congratulations

[golden latch]

Thank you i made it myself in like 5 minutes

[astral crypt]

did you see Thor saw this?

[glossy raft]

actually i woundnt care about lsing the crew 2

[gentle mortar]

now THAT makes a good ragebait thumbnail!

[wispy plover]

^^^^^

[jolly sky]

Wait Thor as seen that as well? If not that needs to go into Thors DM's ASAP

[steep surge]

YES
And I still giggle like a child every time I open the ticket to look at his response!

[golden latch]

Thor frequents thorchan i believe

[astral crypt]

I dunno if he sees his DMs haha

This was in a ticket

[gloomy forge]

I feel SKG should hold a lot of the onus towards publishers a lot more. Devs should get paid and the publishers should procure ways so games last as long as possible. with all of that said, operating systems should have systems in place to make old games work for as long as possible. Which is already a thing.

Also I don't think games are "just" products. Its like growing a flower while the publisher promises that this flower last as long as the pot can hold up but SKG should not go against art. Devs should be allowed to make things in the way they want.

[jolly sky]

And I bet this is his reaction every time

[gloomy forge]

That doesn't have to include listening to every consumer ever.

[fluid dome]

You can just open a ticket for thor requests???

[jolly sky]

No lmao

[opaque raven]

Have you ever thought about going into drama thumbnails? A person of your talent could do great things

[gloomy forge]

thorchan sounds like thor but hes an animewaifu

[astral crypt]

No 👀

[glossy raft]

can we cease and desist these youtubers

[gloomy forge]

no thoughts, stop that at once.

[steep surge]

Yes, I asked how to deliver my gift, like a good, polite goblin and I was told to put it in a ticket
so I did

[gloomy forge]

@glossy raft what? That seems random to say

[steep surge]

The ref picture I photobashed is great too!

[golden latch]

Or this

[jolly sky]

That stream with....(I forget) was such a goldmine of reactions

[flint sinew]

[wispy plover]

This is the content I am here for

[hard jackal]

[fluid dome]

Though if I did have one suggestion it would be to have a system like that so we could get Thor to look at something we think might interest him. I mainly say this bc idk how frequently he checks pings and afaik he doesn't do dms??

[glossy raft]

you know tell moist critikal mudahar that not owning their games is good

[nova bough]

wait. how many mods can we summon here

[golden latch]

Its a quiet life making sure people see this

[boreal flower]

ooh the record-breaking hype train before vedal and neuro broke it?

[astral crypt]

Right, so...we did that? It exploded

[thick ledge]

@glossy raft who

[fluid dome]

[jolly sky]

Damnit what WAS her name

[flint sinew]

[boreal flower]

they read like a troll on a burner account

[jolly sky]

The one with the 3D Avatar

[astral crypt]

ya we thought it was a good idea too! But alas

[jolly sky]

Like fully 3d

[hard jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/kuzco-kronk-the-emperors-new-groove-no-touch-no-touchy-gif-16600284

[elder scaffold]

Bao?

[gloomy forge]

I didn't say that?

[jolly sky]

mo-capped and everything

No

[boreal flower]

no profile pic or anything

[jolly sky]

The one with the entire mo-capped 3D rig

[hard jackal]

CodeMiko?

[thick ledge]

blank pfp, do not engage seriously lol

[nova bough]

a cat to break up the pictures

[jolly sky]

YES

[astral crypt]

look @glossy raft you can be here and chat about this. But you have to actually engage with things not just troll

[golden latch]

Welcome back from the 2 hour poop

[elder scaffold]

The one that displays chat on her chest?

[fluid dome]

I just want him to check out a game he might like

[glossy raft]

no im saying wE can stop this

[boreal flower]

ye, first rule of tumblr; don't trust the default pfps XD;

[opaque raven]

Mods!!!
Please give this person 2hrs of League of Legends for showing me this!!!

[jolly sky]

The CodeMiko stream was such a goldmine of reactions

[astral crypt]

I GET IT!!! Honest

[undone hatch]

This somehow reminds me of Margot Robbie and my brain is having a real hard time with it

[nova bough]

love yourself. uninstall league of legends.

[flint sinew]

removing you

[hard jackal]

I mean, yes. CodeMiko was unhinged AF.

[golden latch]

https://tenor.com/view/tpose-pose-animal-gif-19765307

[fluid dome]

Throws Lies of P on the ground

[steep surge]

I mean, you can always send a TTS or just write a message in Twitch chat! He sees those too

[astral crypt]

true! but those take money.

[jolly sky]

(This was the moment Thor knew, he screwed up)

Fixing CodeMiko's noise gate on her mic

[opaque raven]

I only side with Thor bcs clearly he wants to kill all video games and this includes League of Legends

[glossy raft]

i just dont want game ownership

[golden latch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-problems-always-i-want-problems-always-gif-12394244509897766947

[fluid dome]

Sighs in capitalism

[wispy plover]

Tell me... what happened to Chrisganley1-99?

[thick ledge]

@glossy raft i think its important that no one let you own videogames

you specifically

[steep surge]

Oh, I meant TTS OR just a normal message in chat!

[astral crypt]

Yup. That's why we did the tickets! But like I said...exploded

[nova bough]

all mobas need to go. i can support this.

[astral crypt]

ya he might see it. Very true

[astral crypt]

omg Zaf

[thick ledge]

just dont spam or maggie will fold you into a pretzel

shes got that mom strength

[undone hatch]

If I ever win the lottery, I will spend the rest of my days attempting to gnome Thor

[glossy raft]

no im saying stop killing games must stop or we screwed

[steep surge]

I've asked about a specific game before normally in Twitch chat and he saw it too!

[fluid dome]

Then I shall resort to the tried and tested tactic of gentle reminders in here and stream

[brisk sparrow]

if you happen to actively see him in one of these chats it might be possible to do it then, but otherwise here wont work

[hard jackal]

Kinda sounds good. Or that's just my backpain speaking.

[gloomy forge]

@glossy raft why, not much will change once SKG passes and the EU will hear it out stop being weird.

[brisk sparrow]

me with pacific drive

[golden latch]

Sadly a little effort and solidification of labor is needed to screen the messages sadly that means either moderator time or self regulating practices such as evaluating monetary value to comments value

[brisk sparrow]

-# im still waiting

[jolly sky]

I didn't get to Gnome him, but I did get him pretty good;

[thick ledge]

this guy is sirens calling all the SKG supporters in chat

[green plank]

arnt there other moevements that are actually more effective than SKG at the game ownership stuff, that are currently being overshadowed due to SKG's marketing

...

[thick ledge]

hes baiting the wrong group

[astral crypt]

yup

[fluid dome]

At this point I shall compile a list of games that he shr
Ll

[green plank]

in a way, SKG is choking out the other movements that you cant even hear about anymore

due to all the noise

[thick ledge]

test5

[nova bough]

test7

[wispy plover]

I'm just waiting for the pretzel folding now. 🍿

[gloomy forge]

100% where I'm at as well, but I also think the community is fantastic (you probably think the same as well). You can tell from the community how good the streamer is quite often. Its another indicator why I think the haters are wrong about Thor.

[flint sinew]

But I already graduated i dont wanna take more tests

[tribal canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-james-may-gif-19266123

[nova bough]

CHEESE

[opaque raven]

Well played my friend, well played

[hard jackal]

Too bad!! Surprise Math test!!!

[brisk sparrow]

did you send this early?? that end is weird

[flint sinew]

Passed ez

[fluid dome]

So my phone sometimes gets phantom presses and screen flickering and I have no idea why.

[wispy plover]

Math. Not even once.

[brisk sparrow]

ah

[undone hatch]

That's great. I got him with a couple of good TTS messages a few years back before he blew up. 100 bit TTS was my jam

[brisk sparrow]

cleaned the screen?

[golden latch]

Quick maths

[jolly sky]

MATH!!?!??!?

[steep surge]

died mid-message
They will be missed

[jolly sky]

NO

[brisk sparrow]

i hate this

[steep surge]

Sometimes I still hear their voice...

[boreal flower]

stepped away to zap some chicken dumplings, did the default pfp get walked off the plank?

[fluid dome]

I have dropped it a few times and also its a galaxy a12 so that might be why

[nova bough]

after i graduated college, i had a reoccurring nightmare i failed chemistry, and had to reciend from the job offer i had accepted after i graduated

[opaque raven]

Could you share some, if you know about them? I would love to take a look

[tribal canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/ea-sports-e-ea-meme-gif-14922519

[steep surge]

gone too soon

[golden latch]

E

[fluid dome]

Transfems be like:

[brisk sparrow]

doesnt seem like it. they just stopped talking

[jolly sky]

AFAIK, a home grown ligma. I've not heard or seen one with Quesadillas in my life. I was also praying that the TTS pronounced it correctly

[boreal flower]

ah, observing us then. okie gonna go get my dumplings then and watch vods of deltarune chapter 3 and 4

[green plank]

nah, im just assuming, people kept talking about "gog" but im not sure what that is

[steep surge]

oh you think if it wins and turns out bad they wont find a way to blame him anyway? HAH

[nova bough]

Thor's gonna do thor things. ill be here for it. (after 6am cst, obv.)

[green plank]

maybe thats the wrong acronym

[fluid dome]

@brisk sparrow anyway, what I was saying is, I will probably compile a list of games I'd like for him to check out either off or on stream and get it out to him.

[wispy plover]

In a perfect scenario, it passes, gets to the EU government, they look at it and go "What? No... this is stupid." And we all get a good laugh from it.

[hazy storm]

Anyone ever play River City Girls 2? Looking for a coop game i can play with my kid

[brisk sparrow]

he does have his own list somewhere im pretty sure but i dont know how long it is

[steep surge]

Hate to break it to ya, but it's already there. It's already pretty delusional

[fluid dome]

Do u have a switch?

[jolly sky]

"You really didn't think too hard about this did you? Denied"

[radiant escarp]

To give Thor some credit, he tried moving on from it for 10 months before Ross put out that video.

[hazy storm]

Pc

[wispy plover]

"Did you consider having an actual lawyer go through this?"

[steep surge]

Obviously Thor paid the EU government to reject it! WAAH! /s

[gloomy forge]

@green plank I was doing housework for a few minutes GOG is basically steam but it has a set of rules that are selfimposed. No DRM, making things compatible for every PC and ensuring the gmaes are still attainable after the service dies. GOG is one of the largest digital game stores on the planet for a reason.

[green plank]

oh wow :0

[wispy plover]

The Fracking Five send their regards

[green plank]

my friends use it but i never knew what it was

[gloomy forge]

A lot of devs stand behind GOG too. I think they recently had their 10000th game put on the store.

[nova bough]

just....gonna leave this here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU&pp=ygUXd2VsY29tZSB0byB0aGUgaW50ZXJuZXQ%3D

[jolly sky]

A series of games I would love Thor to experience is the Legacy of Kain games. I'd like to think he would love the story and writing behind it all

[green plank]

im going to look into them they sound cool

[gloomy forge]

@green plank GOG.com its not a bad place.

[steep surge]

[fluid dome]

Gaming peaked with the Snes

[golden latch]

G O G is a website that sells drm free updated versions of games legally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com also its a cdproject subsidiary so its related to cdprojectred which makes the witcher and cyberpunk games

[tribal canyon]

but does its support OSPF?

[golden latch]

They are very good peeps

[flint sinew]

🔥

[steep surge]

anyway, I'm developing a migraine so I'll take a break and get some food. I see you later, chat!

[jolly sky]

Oh no we're about to into a SNES vs Megadrive war

https://tenor.com/view/plums-i-can-feel-it-serious-gif-12350784

[tribal canyon]

rememebr to stay hydrated

[gloomy forge]

take some rest and I hope you can still have a nice day even with the headache.

[tribal canyon]

signed: a fellow migraine sufferer

[flint sinew]

i see all thyne profane words in comments, do be mindful of ones' speech 🤓

[fluid dome]

Actually both are incorrect, the superior system is obviously the atari 2600

[worthy ivy]

truth

[nova bough]

but what about my inner sysadmin? what about them? (jk. i avoid cussing like a sailor.)

[flint sinew]

True

[flint sinew]

Push restart

[radiant escarp]

not particularly, Thor did a pretty good job stating his concerns.

[gloomy forge]

if my head would be a PC I'd install gentoo to ensure that all my migranes belong to me.

[fickle bluff]

• pushes random button
• restarts the entire conversation
  

[steep surge]

Yea
Ibuprofen and food lmao

[thick ledge]

help

im doing strange things

[wispy plover]

That don't look like any Death Stranding I've ever seen

[golden latch]

Rce on simpleflips again?

[jolly sky]

This is the original "Strand type" game

[wispy plover]

Nice

[fluid dome]

[fickle bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/514558236599517185/1175967495883083917/1157473420028690463.gif?ex=656d2813&is=655ab313&hm=e98f6638bc0cfd63727638443a26f4930cb34554de295bd6ea5708532c88f132&

[thick ledge]

im a blockhead

[radiant escarp]

My biggest curiosity since I don't normally watch Ross' content is if he made any effort to condemn the hate mob.

[fluid dome]

Being incorrect in an opinion is a misnomer

Anyway

[golden latch]

Weve also heard from skg server members that they arnt causing this so its very possibly third party involvement who what their pound of flesh and smelt blood in the water

[green plank]

i think i watched one of ross's game reviews on youtube a few years ago, i thought he was fine

[boreal flower]

and all those signatures would be from ppl who genuinely want to see games preserved, not from ppl who only signed out of spite and don't actually have any investment in the initiative

[fluid dome]

I'm tempted to do some planning for a game I'll never make

[jolly sky]

Personally if that were me, I would upload a video every single day denouncing these toxic.....people

[jolly sky]

Oh shit you killed the GOAT

[radiant escarp]

yeah, I wouldn't want to be associated with this

[boreal flower]

so if it fails, those signees won't care; they'll just have a bonus new excuse to keep hating :/ they'll be the only ones who 'win'

[radiant escarp]

especially when I'm trying to acomplish a good thing

[gentle mortar]

frick that noise, build a prototype of it, no need to be hard on yourself, hate this talk, reminds me of me

[green plank]

im a bit curious, if they get enough signatures and the EU glances over at it, what do you think they will think when they look into it day 1 and see thousands of people associating it to a random youtuber (piratesoftware)

[glossy raft]

im saying this as a future game dev it must stop

[green plank]

if i was a lawmaker id be like "uh.. huh 🤨"

[fluid dome]

I don't have the tools for it, like legit all I have is an idea

[opaque raven]

I really like Jeff Goldblum, the best actor that ever existed!
To the point that I even have his Lego ☀️

[gloomy forge]

Then stop it, more power to you brother.

[glossy raft]

because it calls for all games to be left in a playable state

[gloomy forge]

I don't think SKG is bad it could just backfire for many reasons.

[green plank]

well yea, cause SKG is offcially about thor now

[glossy raft]

there almost at 700k

[jolly sky]

Lmao that's really funny

[opaque raven]

And ofc this on Animal Crossing

[gloomy forge]

"Mom, I trolled a discord channel today."

[gentle mortar]

Thor has a website for it where to start to build, even doc to plan that in

[jolly sky]

I smell a "care troll"

[green plank]

if it does go through the internet will learn, that if they pick a youtuber to bully for marketing they can make any law go through

[radiant escarp]

I don't think a single streamer with about 2m Youtube subscribers or 1.2m twitch followers the majority of which are in countries that aren't in the EU, had really much influence at all. The problem was likely just that no one was really talking about it much over the last 10 months.

[green plank]

i wonder who the next youtuber will be

[glossy raft]

they got over 50%

[jovial sandal]

im gonna bet philosophytube

[idle hill]

Who are you trying to convince here
We agree the initiative shouldn't be put into law

[jolly sky]

Yea it looks absolutely like a smear campaign

[glossy raft]

im worried about the influence these youtubers have

[green plank]

also i hope this normalizes americans making policy for Europeans, so that large tension starts to develop culturally

[jovial sandal]

youre concerned about the influence... influencers have?

[jolly sky]

They're not doing much to dissuade the "Care troll" smell

https://tenor.com/view/that-smell-a-kind-of-smelly-smell-a-smelly-smell-that-smells-smelly-mr-krabs-spongebob-squarepants-gif-17867170

[glossy raft]

yes they can all tell their eu fans to sign it

[flat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-tired-of-politics-politics-tired-gif-12171181

[gloomy forge]

@jolly sky to be honest, the guy seems so young that hes more like a "daycare troll"

[spice dome]

wait, ross scott is murican?

[jovial sandal]

american ex-pat

[idle hill]

Forget 'em
The ones that want to actually support the movement, sure whatever they wanna support something vague that could harm the industry they've already been told why it's wrong
The ones that just want to attack Thor, we have receipts for each of their arguments against him

[green plank]

yea an american that moved to poland

[flat moat]

Yeah, living in Poland atm with his wife