streamchat

[versed geyser]

yeah I'm going to only select the ones I actually know about or interested in brb

[opaque raven]

I haven't seen the video yet so this is a wild opinion but a significant part of it also relates to marketing, views, etc. It becomes complicated when your environment doesn't pend to neutral, there are wills and needs involved on, let's say, publicly going against online

Heck, not even online

[jolly sky]

But here's the thing, they do not help in any way. They just become a memory, rather than something you can act upon because you no longer really understand them

[digital tangle]

so im watching other videos on this whole skg stuff and they say they can "just give the tools to the players" which offsets the cost and time that is thors main point of contention... can someone explain where and how they said theyd do that because i cant find any of that

[strange dagger]

Yeah fair enough. Social setting means a lot more than people you can hug, hit or help

[versed geyser]

I somehow haven't changed the amount of roles I have I don't think

[indigo wadi]

I think it's thor mentioning about giving server binaries

[versed geyser]

this is a very featurefull app

I slept on this

[hasty grail]

give WHAT tools to the players? if we are talking copywrited server code then get that through a lawyer

[digital tangle]

this was my first thought as well lol. how much of the tools will be considered proprietary or source code

[hasty grail]

welcome to another issue

[jolly sky]

Well, here's the thing. In a lot cases, you cannot "just give the tools to the players" without also handing over the Copyright and IP to the player, which is akin to giving a random individual to say "Hey, I painted and own the Mona Lisa"

[versed geyser]

server binaries is a red herring and to give him credit, I think he was talking about middleware licencing between 3rd party vendors and API integration

[jolly sky]

If you unselect the roles, it should remove the channels from your list

[indigo wadi]

Could be that too

[hasty grail]

approaching the issue from the consumer is one thing, but not considering things from the dev perspective is a hell of an issue that people overlooked

[versed geyser]

I just selected whatever I know / can contribute to

wait what's InScope

[jolly sky]

I.T stuff

[strange dagger]

I disagree. Personally I've enjoyed them, I've learned a lot from the first couple times, then used them recreationally, and I don't use them anymore.
I discussed my experiences with my licensed therapists though, so that the memory became a real sober memory, and the insight became one describable with words, rather than acid gibberlang

[versed geyser]

ok cool

[jolly sky]

So computers, hardware/software etc

[versed geyser]

yes THANK YOU

[jolly sky]

General stuff, rather than really detailed things

[versed geyser]

I GET IT

[hasty grail]

i think its computer stuff

[digital tangle]

the other issue im noticing like in this video is like when watching the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQZ0682iy0 and at 9:19 they go through a twitter thread..... and everyone loves the guy saying thors illiterate.... when literally nothing he said was wrong lol

[versed geyser]

well that's putting it differently

[digital tangle]

intent means nothing if its undocumented

this is a true statement

[thick ledge]

hey, just so you know, in scope is computer stuff, in case you didnt catch that

[frozen nimbus]

Lol

[versed geyser]

wait, can you elaborate

[indigo wadi]

It's a lot of projection

[thick ledge]

yeah, its about, computers

[versed geyser]

mm go on

[thick ledge]

and also stuff

[strange dagger]

Sick

[versed geyser]

I draw the line at sick

[thick ledge]

i used to be a mod here

to clarify

[jolly sky]

Enjoyed sure, but learning from them is the most important part. And in un-sober mind, learning from it becomes foggy and unfocused, so you cannot gain true knowledge from it, (which is how I see it)

[thick ledge]

so i know what im talkin about surely

[digital tangle]

"This other user says what we are all thinking" no sir thats what you are thinking... im not seeing a rebuttal

[versed geyser]

really? what qualified you

[thick ledge]

uh, signing up when thor asked like a week before he became popular

LUL

[versed geyser]

oh you mean here. generally. the server

[thick ledge]

ye

extra funny because i have NO idea what inscope is used for other than hackermans

[strange dagger]

I struggled to find words to ask the same thing

[tight bramble]

So just as a break from the topic, I recommend listening to the artist Aurora B. Polaris. Wonderful, mostly lo-fi, emotional music. I work in s factory so im usually into really heavy metal like lorna shore, but this has given me a lot to think about when looking back on my life.

[jolly sky]

LMAO Sorry it's just that I.T. General is sort of an "All-encompassing" Role compared to the rest

[versed geyser]

groovy. good choice not reading unban requests and filtered content

[thick ledge]

death stranding 1 is on sale on steam

wink wink nudge nudge

[indigo wadi]

Walking Simulator

[thick ledge]

very good walking sim

[indigo wadi]

Its story is...something

[thick ledge]

kojima story

[jolly sky]

Yeaaaaaa

[thick ledge]

kojima UNCHAINED

[versed geyser]

Bear Grylls simulator

[thick ledge]

love how batshit he is

[ocean agate]

Guild Wars 2 is on sale also, even the newest expansion has a small sale

[thick ledge]

hes like one of my favorite devs ever

[indigo wadi]

no pee drinking though

[thick ledge]

you can pee

on demand

[teal zodiac]

wth

[versed geyser]

it's very Kojima-den. he's done this since MGS2

[indigo wadi]

not drink it though

[thick ledge]

idk about drinking tho

i mean

[warped venture]

amazing exchange out of context

[versed geyser]

well monster energy tastes like piss so technically...

[thick ledge]

mgs 1 had a psychic and a woman who could control wolves

hey itd bridges energy now!

[indigo wadi]

bear grylls, a survivalist, became famous for surviving via drinking his own urine

[thick ledge]

that sponsorship expired

[ocean agate]

oh look Zafaroth a fellow mod of yours

[thick ledge]

i said i used to be a mod

[teal zodiac]

did....did it work? i mean...i dont wanna know

[jolly sky]

See its story is something I can't really get behind.

Metal Gear Solid was a complex story don't get me wrong, but made sense from a casual audience, and also made sense to someone who wanted to to delve into it.

Death Stranding however feels like its being complex just for the sake of being complex

[thick ledge]

because i thought it was funny that i had no idea what inscope was for

[versed geyser]

true. and the memory card reading at the psycho mantis encounter was incredibly smart

[indigo wadi]

well, he lived, so I suppose

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-time-its-delivery-gif-13167414

[thick ledge]

i mean in death stranding you take a shower and use it in grenade form

[versed geyser]

he's the most gentle person in person ❤️❤️

[thick ledge]

to scare away ghosts

[teal zodiac]

is it like super staged or was Bear Grylls for real?

[jolly sky]

And there was no one working with Kojima that that the balls to say "No, this makes no sense, wtf are you doing"

[indigo wadi]

OH THATS RIGHT

PEENADE

[versed geyser]

South Park episode unlocked

[thick ledge]

the piss nade

[jolly sky]

And as shit as Konami is, they at least had someone on staff that said "No" to Kojima

[thick ledge]

i heard death stranding 2 is much more grounded

he reined it in some

[indigo wadi]

would make sense

DS1 was an experiment of being out there

[teal zodiac]

i absolute LOVE Naked and Afraid but i dont remember anyone reaching the point of drinking their own p

[strange dagger]

I haven't figured out whether learning is more important than having fun (and maybe I won't (and maybe I don't want to (and maybe that's ok))), but I will say I believe I can (not on command) make helpful lasting changes to my brain chemicals in altered mental states. But yes crucially, you have to invest the extra sober time to actually learn from the revealing experience.

[thick ledge]

mmmm cryptobiosis flavour

[strange dagger]

Candle? GFuel? Vape?

[golden latch]

Crypto

[thick ledge]

bridges energy, the replacement for the monster in death stranding

on launch it had product placement for monster

it got removed when the contract expired

[jolly sky]

I'd argue that learning about yourself is the most important thing that you could ever do in your life. And while an un-sober experience may reveal things to you, if its from an unfocused viewpoint, (i.e Not sober) trying to learn from it could easily skew your perspective of the things you want to learn from.

[strange dagger]

That makes me the littlest sad in a couple different ways

[thick ledge]

funding

much prefered over micro transactions

imo

[versed geyser]

Fikushima-san and (it's Fu-shima, but discord deleted it) Muraoka-san were really devoted to seeing Kojima-san implement those whacky mechanics.

in the end it was those three versus Konami

[strange dagger]

Good point, any maps drawn in a world that isn't ultimately the one you need to navigate is futile, apart from the practice of drawing

[strange dagger]

Less sad, small happy

[south steppe]

could learning be more important than fun (well, in any case, learning itself could be fun) if what you learn then makes it easier to have more fun?

[jolly sky]

Mechanics are fine, make all the wacky mechanics you want. But to me it seems that Death Stranding 1 was Kojima trying to make a World Record to see how insane and incomprehensible a story could be

And trust me, I'm a long time Metal Gear Solid fan I know how crazy his stories can get

[rancid mauve]

lol chat really does go BRR

[versed geyser]

think of it like this, especially during MGS2 's development:

Kojima = The mind and chaos

F*kushima (stop hating on Japanese names discord) = The spine and structure

Muraoka = The tech and reality check

[teal zodiac]

man...Metal Gear fans are always so passionate about the games and story, i really need to give it a try

[indigo wadi]

avoid the most recent one

[teal zodiac]

i only played the one with the robot, it was crazy hype

[strange dagger]

I'm aware there's many rational arguments to be made for either side, and I'm not arguing for fun over learning either. I'm merely noting I haven't decided which 'is' more important yet

[teal zodiac]

android ninja samurai or something, idk

[rancid mauve]

Kojima has a certain way of approaching his games and writing for sure, its very unconventional

Its realistic, but not. lol

[jolly sky]

MGS5 is fantastic from a gameplay perspective. But from a story perspective, it was rushed and unfinished. I still like it, but I'm sad it couldn't be all it wanted

[teal zodiac]

is the story done?

[rancid mauve]

for MGS?

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-senator-armstrong-gif-23960352

[south steppe]

I sees. Ig I thought it might be more the focus of the conversation than it is

[versed geyser]

very much agree on that

[limber gulch]

its crazy to me some higher ups at Konami had such an ego problem they let a golden goose like kojima get away

actively drove him away really

[teal zodiac]

uhum, like the whole series

[jolly sky]

Precisely, which ties back into Dr.K. It's possible to experience all these layers sober that an Un-sober mind helps to peel back the layers of, just that it takes more effort to do so. And you'll have a focused, clear perspective while doing so, which is the most important factor

[strange dagger]

The main point of conversation was can you / should you use substances to learn about yourself, I mentioned I enjoyed them

[teal zodiac]

i can see on steam that there is a MGS collection 1, and collection 2 is coming later

[versed geyser]

you're not wrong

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/rs-gaming/death-stranding-2-review-hideo-kojima-messy-masterpiece-1235369767/

[rancid mauve]

I feel like Kojima, though he is very talented and his stories tend to be fantastic, does need a bit of reigning in. I really like his works.

[brazen drift]

pretty sure that collection needs mods to run properly, unless they fixed all those frame and crash issues

[teal zodiac]

for real? damn...

[brazen drift]

it had Stupid amounts of bugs when it launched

[versed geyser]

he's the Tarantino of gamedev. we need more devs like him and Miyazaki-san (can't believe I forgot his name)

[strange dagger]

Got it, that feels like it must be true, it makes complete sense.

[teal zodiac]

not again...i had problems running Kingdom Hearts collection, had to get some mods to fix a few things

[brazen drift]

Yeah. the life of terrible port jobs

[rancid mauve]

Im so sad that I have to wait to play Death Stranding 2...

[teal zodiac]

Final Fantasy Type0 was my first ever contact with bad ports, and that killed me inside a little bit

[brazen drift]

i was even thinking about getting the KH collection since its 30 bucks but...

hopefully i can wait it out till it goes to 20

[rancid mauve]

I refuse to get a PS5 just for DS2

[versed geyser]

watch that space! Kojima intends on rolling out all his works

[south steppe]

Ah. Dont have experience with that personally but it seems like an interesting question

[jolly sky]

Eh jsut wait 6-8 months, maybe a year and you'll get it

[rancid mauve]

im going to guess DS2 on PC is spring next year

[versed geyser]

that's a question between someone and their doctor tbh

[brazen drift]

yeah, timed exclusives are tragic but they do come to pc

[versed geyser]

console players are our beta testers

[strange dagger]

Yeah, I should've phrased it like can I/ should I. Don't do drugs kids and adults

[versed geyser]

it will, certainly

[strange dagger]

Not interesting enough to try it tbh, I got tired of it pretty quick, just went to therapy after

[brazen drift]

Man if only. God knows what bugs happen when they simply try to Port stuff

[versed geyser]

it's up to you. Primeagen talks about this with Lex Fridman. but for a server this large and with young impressionable members, approach with caution

[thick ledge]

theres some rare conditions that really mess you up you can develop after like one use of certain things

so be aware of the risks you are taking

[rancid mauve]

its like how I have a good friend that is dying to play GTA6, but the release later this year is console only...

[strange dagger]

Yeah no thats my bad for sure

[jolly sky]

So, going in. I bought the MGS "Master Collection" on release, and it was an absolute goddamn mess.

No resolution options
No graphical settings options
No audio options
Audio bugs out the arse.

I "fixed" all of those problems with mods, but I have no idea if any of those issues have been fixed post release

[rancid mauve]

Bruh...

[brazen drift]

Konami out here living in the stone age with the ports

[rancid mauve]

well, it would be perfect if it was running on a pachinko machine. no need for any options!

[teal zodiac]

still worth it?

[versed geyser]

yeah... ok. so

if you want the convenience of those games, it's fine.

if you're nitpicky and want to play it the way it was released, your only real option is emulation with the release ROM.

[jolly sky]

The PC "Master Collection" released at 720p by defualt

[brazen drift]

cant wait for them to figure out online pachinko

[teal zodiac]

i mean, even with problems, for someone like me who is going to experience every single one of those games for the first time

[versed geyser]

yes it's a travesty

[brazen drift]

HEAVY sarcasm

[strange dagger]

Good point, my partner had psychosis for half a year, not a good time I heard (I didn't know her yet)

[south steppe]

ahah gotcha. likely the safer option too hm

[versed geyser]

emulate them with retro arch if you want to experience what they were really like. performance quirks and all!

[jolly sky]

So after mods, yes. Having those games easily accessible and playable on PC is so good.

But get it on a discount

[thick ledge]

theres some permanent disassociative disorders you can develop

not a great look for yourself

[strange dagger]

I have a horrible trait that makes me think I'll deal with them in the moment👎👎👎

[versed geyser]

yes you can call into permanent psychosis

[brazen drift]

If you're gonna do the droog and its a droog that is legally available in your state consult a doctor And/or psychatrist/therapist before use.

[strange dagger]

Less lonely too

[versed geyser]

psychedelics have "psyc" in the name for a reason

it's not a game playing around with hallucinogens

very unpredictable. should be done under strict medical care.

[teal zodiac]

hmm we have Master Collection and Master Collection vol 1, why so many

[rancid mauve]

Skooma, not even once

but being serious, for sure, be safe about things. you only have one mind, so it would be bad to lose it completely.

[ocean agate]

i see things without drugs i dont think i want to add anything to that

[jolly sky]

Going back to this, I'd say no. Learn to learn about yourself through sober methods. Like I said earlier, the perspective of yourself can be easily skewed if not experienced from a sober mind

[versed geyser]

there are cases of ordinarily neurotypical persons experiencing permanent psychosis damage to their mind after even a bong rip. always consult a professional for your brain chemistry contraindications

[versed geyser]

there are drugs for that

funny how we mention Kojima-san and naturally the conversation went towards psychedelic drugs

[strange dagger]

I was too young to know all that when I started, and well, now I know roughly what usually doesn't cause brain damage

[ocean agate]

i am pretty sure its more of an issue of having something wrong with my head physically but the VA sucks, so we shall see what runs out first

[versed geyser]

your conscience's voice actor?

[strange dagger]

That would be very fricky

[ocean agate]

veterans affairs

[versed geyser]

oh. US I presume?

[ocean agate]

i tell them i have trouble breathing and walking and see shit and they say well i might be able to get you seen in 3 months

yeah US veteran Health care

[versed geyser]

yes! meditation, reading, yoga. you can reach phenomenal mental capabilities through predictably healthy ways!

[teal zodiac]

is MGS something that is better to play on launch or lore order?

chronological

[jolly sky]

Release date I'd say

[versed geyser]

I'm sorry to hear that. have you tried no caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, and replacing them with tea, walking (if you can), sunlight, and Vipassana meditation?

[versed geyser]

release order

[teal zodiac]

hmm i can see that the collection have Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid, is that like SMT with Persona?

[strange dagger]

Vipassana the one that goes "there's a thought passing by"?

[rancid mauve]

If you are ok with how retro games are, release order

[teal zodiac]

a series inside the ip

[jolly sky]

And these are things that have been known for 1000's of years, and that those things are only just recently being "rediscovered" throught western scientfic understanding

[versed geyser]

that's a general meditation thing. don't be disturbed by disturbances. let them linger then continue focusing on breathing

[teal zodiac]

not yet, from what i saw there isnt any promotion at the moment

[rancid mauve]

If you are not super into retro games, then go with the MGS series first. If you really like it, the retro 2D games are nice to add more context

[teal zodiac]

i really dont mind retro

[jolly sky]

Also, sadly I would delete this if you don't want a warning

[versed geyser]

the west has meditation and tea and walking

[teal zodiac]

Megaman 5 on GameBoy is probably my favorite Megaman game ever

[versed geyser]

wait why

[teal zodiac]

for example

[thick ledge]

the 100% legally obtained roms from your own, personally owned burnt discs

RIGHT CHAT

WE WOULDNT DO A CRIME THE MODS WOULD BE FORCED TO ACTION TO KEEP THE DISCORD UP RIGHT

[ocean agate]

i gave up nicotine, large caffeine and alcohol. i drink a small amount of caffeine but mostly i drink water. i have a hernia so i cant exercise, and my feet are currently swollen and i cant walk

[strange dagger]

I'm going to sleep, it's 5am here, love you and you, and maybe you

[jolly sky]

Because a large majority of the use of Emulators is for pirating, which this server, and the TOS of Discord does not allow

[rancid mauve]

some people just dont like how pre-3D games tend to be like (they can sometimes be pretty rough difficulty wise because they were often in line with arcade games), so thats why I warn people

[thick ledge]

discord TOS stipulates if the moderation team allows such discussion and it is reported, the server can be shut down

there are plenty of people that would love to see the server shut down

[rancid mauve]

true

its something that exists, this is not the place to discuss it though

[thick ledge]

can absolutely take such discussion to DMs

[teal zodiac]

its very fair actually, and honestly its super fine to not like a genre, a style and etc

[versed geyser]

Retro arch is legal and open source. ROMs, as long as you own the original media, are also legal.

[thick ledge]

yes exactly

[brisk sparrow]

its still a grey area

[jolly sky]

If a Mod saw your link, they would highly likely delete it. So rather have that happen, I'm offering a recommendation to delete that message.

[thick ledge]

which is why the roms are 100% sourced from the users own ripped discs

and not from someone else

[brisk sparrow]

better to err on the side of caution

[thick ledge]

because thatd be illegal distribution and we dont do that

[versed geyser]

Retro arch itself isn't an emulator. It's literally on Steam

[ocean agate]

just dont want to bring unnecessary scrutiny during troubling times

[versed geyser]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/

Steam

RetroArch

RetroArch is an open source and cross platform frontend/framework for game engines, video games, media players and other applications.

While it can do many things besides this, it is most widely known for enabling you to run classic games on a wide range of computers and consoles through a slick graphical interface. Settings are also unified so…

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[rancid mauve]

yup. I find it easy to bounce off many 'olde' pre 3D 2D games myself, but I know why lots of people love them.

[thick ledge]

the steam page itself is prob fine

a 3rd party link to it maybe not

[versed geyser]

that third party link was their official site. also on the Steam page

[rancid mauve]

again, it exists. no need to go into any details. we all have the power of google-fu if you are interested in the subject.

[thick ledge]

id have to look at ToS more specifically, but i think steam page is fine

[ocean agate]

kinda like passing blame

[teal zodiac]

i mean, just ping a mod to clarify the stance, its for sure super fine to ask

[round bolt]

Id assume it wouldnt be on steam if it was flagrant about anything

[teal zodiac]

its all in good intention on all sides. Sharing something, protecting the group, all good

[jolly sky]

Maybe the steam link is fine, but the reason why it's an iffy thing to link, is the same reason why the names/images/gifs/videos of political figures are also not allowed. It's the connections, and the leading to of that which is the problem

[thick ledge]

ye

[rancid mauve]

lets all put the fire down before it becomes a problem.

[thick ledge]

server rules are pretty minimal other than to prevent malicious reporting from sticking

[versed geyser]

well their official discord has been running for years apparently

[thick ledge]

proooobably fine

[versed geyser]

I see no issue

[thick ledge]

just not the roms

[brisk sparrow]

but thats not this discord

[thick ledge]

unless of course chat specifically burned those roms themselves who would do anything else

[exotic locust]

more Kitboga stress relief if anyone needs it
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8PGnqK64XsI

[versed geyser]

oh. what does this discord say about such stuff? would you mind linking it?

[teal zodiac]

Bro, the first Metal Gear is from a console called MSX2, i dont even know what the frick is that

but looks like a NES game

[versed geyser]

I think a mod would have to be really bored to action anything I linked tbh

[thick ledge]

specifically about roms

[rancid mauve]

it was ported to NES back in the day

[thick ledge]

you are right, but just telling u to be safe

[rancid mauve]

the NES port i think was... not good. lol

[versed geyser]

ty

[round bolt]

yep

super old school

[rancid mauve]

I think the MSX2 was a "home computer" back in the day, from what I remember

[brisk sparrow]

why the heck has my twitch started pausing if its in the background for like 5 mins in the past couple days. havent added a new extension in the last month or two

[teal zodiac]

where does the ones without numbers fit? i really dont wanna look on google, im avoiding spoilers

like Rising, Peace Walker

[thick ledge]

oh god ok

[rancid mauve]

gimme a sec, i can look it up

[thick ledge]

rising is

[jolly sky]

#streamchat message

This,

And also, we all know how easy it is to get unofficial, illegitimate versions of older games. And unfortunately because of that ease of access, is why it's wise not to link ways to play those illegitimate versions here

[thick ledge]

end of timeline side story

peacewalker is

uuuuuh

can i even say without spoiling

lmao

[warped venture]

I'm deleting this due to our rules

[teal zodiac]

Metal Gear -> Metal Gear 2 -> Metal Gear Solid -> Metal Gear Solid 2
So far so good?

[jolly sky]

Yep

[thick ledge]

do you want release order or continuity order

[brisk sparrow]

henlo forest

[jolly sky]

Metal Gear 1 and 2 OG could maybe be skipped

[thick ledge]

because itd be like mg mg2 mgs 3 mgs 1

[teal zodiac]

idk, dealers choice

[warped venture]

heyoo

[thick ledge]

no wait

[round bolt]

For a funny overly cinematic version of metal gear solid 1, you can check out the Twin Snakes remake

[thick ledge]

itd be mgs 3 mgs 5 mgs 1 mgs 2 mgs 4

[round bolt]

its goofy

[versed geyser]

could you clarify which rule for future reference

[round bolt]

but in a fun way

[teal zodiac]

this is the Collection 1

[versed geyser]

you can DM me if you want

[rancid mauve]

going off of the timeline of events starting with the beginning of everything
MGS3
MGS Peacewalker
MGS5
MG
MG2
MGS
MGS2
MGS4
MG Rising

[teal zodiac]

Sons of Liberty is such a cool name

[jolly sky]

But whatever you decide, Metal Gear Solid 1 is a good place to start as it does not require you knowing the story of Metal Gear 1 to get involved and interested in the story.

[warped venture]

#piracy-requests emulation is in a grey area here but generally discourage sharing downloads

[teal zodiac]

are there movies to watch?

Metal Gear movies, ova or something

[thick ledge]

inside the games

lmfao

[versed geyser]

hold on. retro arch is not an emulator, I wasn't requesting anything, nor sharing anything

[thick ledge]

theres a 2 hour cutscene in one of them 🙂

[teal zodiac]

what

nah

[thick ledge]

welcome to metal gear lmfao

[jolly sky]

No, AFAIK there is no official media outside of the games

[thick ledge]

kojima wanted to make movies

he made them

[rancid mauve]

MGS4 is more cutscene than gameplay

[brisk sparrow]

I was playing BF4 earlier and the enemy commander had it out for me with the cruise missile

[teal zodiac]

oh, on the colleciton there are 2 graphic novels

[brisk sparrow]

killed me like 7 times with one while i was in a vehicle

[teal zodiac]

videos of graphics novels (?)

[thick ledge]

kojima is unhinged, you will learn this

he devs like no over dev

[brisk sparrow]

thats an understatement too TBH

[teal zodiac]

be aware

that whenever i start this Metal Gear journey i will not stop talking about it

[jolly sky]

Kojima is an Auteur Dev that reached the heights of AAA

[versed geyser]

"RetroArch is an open source and cross platform frontend/framework for emulators, game engines, video games, media players and other applications"

If I'm breaking ToS, so is Valve.

[teal zodiac]

im EASILY hyped about things

[jolly sky]

Literally

[brisk sparrow]

what was announced that he was working on at one of the game awards shows? was some psychological shit wasnt it?

[jolly sky]

Sadly, you were sharing the ability to play pirated games, and therefore is something which is erred on the side of caution here that is not allowed

[thick ledge]

he announced he was re-entering the TACTICAL ESPIONAGE ACTION world

hes working on a metal gear like

[teal zodiac]

Death Stranding is a whole different series right?

[thick ledge]

yeah

[brisk sparrow]

OH

[rancid mauve]

There is so much about Kojima games. lol
Action
Mystery
Conspiracies
Supernatural
toss in some Yaoi energy too

[thick ledge]

konami gave him the boot

[brisk sparrow]

IT WAS "OD"

[thick ledge]

so its unrelated other then some design dna

[brisk sparrow]

https://www.kojimaproductions.jp/en/OD-announcement this one

[jolly sky]

Yup

[versed geyser]

No I was linking a page to a legal application that has the capability to use other software to emulate system environments for other software. The latter two of which I never mentioned or condoned.

[teal zodiac]

konami fired him? why tho

[thick ledge]

they suck eggs

[brisk sparrow]

I am so looking forward to this one

[jolly sky]

Look sorry man, whether you like it or not, the connection alone is enough

[versed geyser]

That's like saying "don't link Microsoft's homepage, you can emulate games on that operating system"

[teal zodiac]

i mean, who doesnt, eggs are gooooood

[rancid mauve]

arguing semantics does not dodge the problem

stop playing with fire. simple as that

[versed geyser]

There is literally no problem linking an app that is globally legal

[jolly sky]

It's like if I said "Oh, here's the link the to PS4 emulator, I hope you have the disc to play Bloodborne on"

Winky face

[brisk sparrow]

the original link has already been deleted as well

[versed geyser]

Retro arch isn't an emulator

[warped venture]

Let's move on from this now

[jolly sky]

It functions as one

[versed geyser]

It doesn't without the user integrating the emulation packages

[versed geyser]

Fine

[teal zodiac]

zero multiplayer on Metal Gear, right?

[jolly sky]

Also yes, moving on

[teal zodiac]

no, wait, there is multiplayer on Peace Walker, how

cool

[jolly sky]

It was pretty cool. I played it with a friend on the PS3 version

[rancid mauve]

its on the PSP, so you could do multiplayer

[jolly sky]

Metal Gear Peace Walker Coop was hella fun

[south steppe]

is this #streamchat just a second #general_chat?

[jolly sky]

Snake In

Snake Out

[brisk sparrow]

its turned into it for the moment

[teal zodiac]

i was thinking of alternating the games with my gf, like i play Metal Gear 1 and she playes 2

and ofc we both watch and etc

[thick ledge]

normally stream chat is another place to chat about a currently ongoing stream

that is slower

[teal zodiac]

we did this with all the megamans and it was super fun

[south steppe]

like extension of the twitch chat or smth ig?

[jolly sky]

So IIRC Peace Walker Co-op on the same device is not possible

[warped venture]

pretty much, on-stream its chatter about the current stream. off-stream topics bounce around

[thick ledge]

ye

[jolly sky]

It requires two different devices

[south steppe]

i sees

[teal zodiac]

was the collection 2 date announced?

[rancid mauve]

I just check in on if Thor is streaming, if hes not, well... theres no stream to chat about. lol

[jolly sky]

Mentioned sure, but good luck to Konami making MGS4 playable on anything outside of the PS3

flashbacks to how poorly MGS3 played on the Switch

[teal zodiac]

from the little bit that i looked seems like they confirmed the collection 2 but not the games inside

[rancid mauve]

well, I dont think its going to be a problem on PC, but getting anything to run on the OG Switch was a monumental task

[jolly sky]

I mean

[versed geyser]

we need an Edo-dai MGS

[rancid mauve]

I remember seeing some of the DF breakdowns of many Switch ports of things... and oof...

[versed geyser]

I mean

your message is awful on the phone app

[teal zodiac]

in 4 words, whats the series about btw?

[jolly sky]

MGS3 released on the PS2 in 2004

Konami coudn't get it to run well on a console released in 2017

[jolly sky]

Good lord now you're asking a question.

Uhhh

[thick ledge]

Metal (1) Gear (2) Solid (3) Guy (4)

[versed geyser]

terrorist clones abusing mecha

[teal zodiac]

clones?

MECHA?????

[versed geyser]

very much so

[thick ledge]

kojima dont mess around

good luck

[median hornet]

Tragically, Hideo Kojima had confirmed that he will not be returning to voice Hideo Kojima

[jolly sky]

"War bad, Human good"

[thick ledge]

Sadge

hideo kojima wont voice hideo kojima, literally unplayable

[rancid mauve]

military supernatural mecha conspiracy

[jolly sky]

That is as close as I could get it it for 4 words

[rancid mauve]

4 words

[versed geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-guns-of-the-patriots-metal-gear-ray-ocelot-gif-8160967372866563357

[thick ledge]

D: dont spoil

[jolly sky]

Admittingly that's a pretty good summary

[versed geyser]

MGS Rising is the best btw

[rancid mauve]

Rising is the easiest place to get introduced to the world i feel

[jolly sky]

But you cannot simplifiy your way out of the MGS games

[teal zodiac]

i think thats the one i played for like, 15min

[versed geyser]

yeah it's not as Kojima as the mainline entries

[teal zodiac]

its like bayonetta, hyper action

[rancid mauve]

Rising is more of a side story

but it does have a lot of the hallmarks of the main line games

[jolly sky]

Yea absolutely

[versed geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-metal-gear-rising-jetstream-sam-metal-gear-rising-sam-gif-26079092 ONLY?

[teal zodiac]

i mean, it was just one level, about climbing a building, idk

[jolly sky]

RIsing has a "continuation" of the world that MGS resides in

[versed geyser]

I'm glad to see the resurgence of hack and slash juggle games recently

[rancid mauve]

The gameplay of Rising is very different than everything else, so its an easy jump-in point

[jolly sky]

But its also a world that Snake would HATE to have seen soo ughhhhhh

Yea

[teal zodiac]

hmm so i can throw away that experience

since the rest of the series is so different

[versed geyser]

||Which snake||

[rancid mauve]

gameplay wise, mostly

The vibe though, its similar

[versed geyser]

Solidus wouldn't mind that world

[jolly sky]

Yea Rising is to MGS as what Devil May Cry is to Resident Evil

A good game don't get me wrong

[teal zodiac]

its kinda sad that the collection doesnt have a discount now

[versed geyser]

if they existed in the same universe and RE wasn't about biochem zombies but actually heaven's divine hosts going rogue

[faint rapids]

Hey goblins 😎

🍻

[rancid mauve]

basically, if I know someone is curious about MGS, but is unsure if they would like it, I say "Play Rising" If they love the vibe of the game, its time to jump in with MGS1

[jolly sky]

I was more going for the gameplay side than story, but yes

[versed geyser]

silent video gameplay walkthroughs are good too if you don't mind spoilers

[teal zodiac]

im assuming the replay value can be very low right?

[jolly sky]

RIsing is still very much "Kojima-coded" in its story

[teal zodiac]

since its kinda lore oriented

[versed geyser]

high actually.

[teal zodiac]

ooohh

[jolly sky]

But completely different in its gameplay

[teal zodiac]

different routes?

[versed geyser]

sort of depending on the entry

it's a tactical shooter so by nature yes

[jolly sky]

I've replayed the MGS games an uncountable amount of times

[versed geyser]

also there are Easter eggs EVERYWHERE

[teal zodiac]

i thought it was like spy stuff, not being seen, collecting info, documents, etc

[jolly sky]

I'd say that MGS3 is my most replayed game of all time

(Next to Dark Souls 1)

[rancid mauve]

there is that, but theres more to it

[teal zodiac]

wait...so..there is the Master collection, which includes 3, but also a remake of the 3 coming soon???'

jesus christ what a mess

[versed geyser]

it's very much that, tactical stealth espionage shooter which ironically I think was mgs1's box art sub title

[jolly sky]

Lmao welcome to Konami

and if that isn't confusing enough

[teal zodiac]

there are 2 versions of the Collection on Steam

[jolly sky]

Konami also made a Japanese Pachinko version of MGS3

[versed geyser]

Yes. Play mgs3 first obviously, but they're remaking it to be released this year

[rancid mauve]

instead of being something like James Bond, who is a spy. Snake is basically the ultimate special forces lone wolf, sneaking into a secret military compound.

[jolly sky]

My heart sank when I saw those remastered cutscenes on a goddamn Pachinko machine

[teal zodiac]

speaking of which, you know what breaks my heart into a million pieces?
the game that basically connects the classic Megaman into Megaman X is a pachinko.....with bosses like CoinMan and LeverMan

it...hurts....

[jolly sky]

No. play MGS1 first, otherwise the lore will be lost on you

Counteracting Patch devs point here

[versed geyser]

I mean when comparing Snake Eater remastered to the OG

[jolly sky]

OH

[thick ledge]

its first in the continuity but it expects you to have played mgs1

[teal zodiac]

ok ok

but i was just talking about how there are Versions of the games and Versions of the collection of the games

its a mess

[rancid mauve]

oh, if you want to see a MGS pachinko machine, Maid Mint straight up went full "bad monetary decisions" and bought one. Shipped it all the way home from JP. She has a stream where she plays it.

[teal zodiac]

god bless streamers with bad financial decisions, its all we have

[jolly sky]

Right yes. I'm very much an MGS3 fan, but I hold no hope hype, or expectiations for the Remaster whatsoever.

Because Konami is Konami

[versed geyser]

Metal Gear (1987) >
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake (1990) >
Metal Gear Solid (1998) >
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (2001) >
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (2004) >
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops (2006) >
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (2008) >
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker (2010) >
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance (2013) >
Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes (2014) >
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (2015)

[rancid mauve]

She is an ultra fan of the MGS series. I remember watching her fall in the rabbithole of MGS

[teal zodiac]

87, wow

[versed geyser]

wait

my list is wrong

no it's right I think

[teal zodiac]

that actually looks very interesting, Metal Gear fans never actually had to wait very long for the next game

[jolly sky]

Yea I think you're right

[teal zodiac]

aside from the jump to Solid

but still, pretty solid series to be a fan of (pun unintended)

[jolly sky]

So MGS is a sneaking game with heavy political and war-based intrigue and story

[versed geyser]

it's like if Splinter Cell had sex with Armoured Core

and took drugs

[rancid mauve]

I wouldnt say Armored Core... there isnt really action all the time. Some of the aesthetics maybe but even then, not really.

[jolly sky]

And the story of MGS2 is still ringing real life alarm bells to this day, 24 years later

Kojima really knocked it out of the park with MGS2's story, whether intentionally or not

[rancid mauve]

but Spliter Cell would roughly be in the same genre, like very roughly

[versed geyser]

yeah AC is mostly featured in MGS cut scenes

and the tech to a degree

[jolly sky]

Splinter Cell focuses more on the Stealth aspects, whereas MGS focuses more on the action with a Stealth tangent

Hence Stealth Espionage Action

[versed geyser]

isn't it tactical?

I swear that's in the tagline

[teal zodiac]

man...the collection is so expensive and if im seeing this right on steamdb they never had a discount

[jolly sky]

Oh shit yea you're right

[rancid mauve]

the collection is pretty recent from what I can tell

I think they have some of the OG PC versions of some of the games on GoG tho

[jolly sky]

Tactical* Espionage Action

[rancid mauve]

I understand that the GoG versions arent always the most stable games though

[jolly sky]

Oh, the MGS collection also runs well on the Steam Deck too which is nice

[versed geyser]

they are basically ports of those ports yes

[rancid mauve]

weirdly enough, my first playthrough of MGS1 was on PC

[versed geyser]

why is it that Japanese box art is just so peak

[jolly sky]

While I'm glad you managed to experience it, I'm also sad that you played the worst version of it lmao

[rancid mauve]

I borrowed the PC version of MGS1 from the local library back in the day. lol

[jolly sky]

I'm just imagining the certain fight that showcases the rumble feature on PC

And you must have been like

Huh

[rancid mauve]

yup... it was... wierd

I think I had to look at the GameFaqs for that

[jolly sky]

Oh jeez I didn't even think about how the rest of that fight went on PC

[versed geyser]

are you Japanese?

[teal zodiac]

oh no, the collection actually had discounts, i was looking at the wrong package

[rancid mauve]

even though I did live in Japan for a while, no.

[jolly sky]

I recently watched CDawgVA play MGS1 for the first time, it was a treat for sure

[versed geyser]

oh. the first line of hiragana in your bio reads as third-person like "Shinku are allowed to call me"

the second has a typo

and if you write your name without the suffix in katakana it would refer to a kitchen sink

[rancid mauve]

typo? I just avoided the kanji

[teal zodiac]

Tactival Espionage Action, so cool

[rancid mauve]

the first line is letting anyone know its appropriate to call me either Shinku or Shin

[versed geyser]

いっしょに would be more accurate from memory

[rancid mauve]

I think its not totally necissary for the ltsu but yes

[versed geyser]

シンクでもシンでもいいよ！

how does that sound? it includes the subject - object

[teal zodiac]

was kojima trying to start a genre or a trend with this title?

[versed geyser]

good question. genre

then genreS

[teal zodiac]

or is he the type that is more like "who knows what the heck he is thinking about"

[jolly sky]

Nope not really, just his own auteur game design choices

[versed geyser]

no he's deliberately pushing the limits of genre tropes

[rancid mauve]

this is what I get for not using my jisho when writing something casual. lol

[jolly sky]

Yout gotta think that back when MGS1 released, there really was nothing like it at the time

Both in story and in gameplay

The PS1 was a wildland, and Kojima exploited that to its fullest

[teal zodiac]

ooohh death stranding is from his own company

cool

actually a good ending

[versed geyser]

wait until you read Kobun or Bungo

it's basically Japanese Shakespearian

many signs in rural Japan are still using the syntax, I have to actually concentrate

[jolly sky]

I do like that he founded his own space and company, I'm just sad that I don't like the games that have come from it

[versed geyser]

everything ends in ふ

and the poetic meaning of the kanji is very different. shorter sentences but you need to infer the meaning of the sentences

it's all contextual

like you can't start anywhere in the text, NEED to begin and end it. there's no skim reading in Kobun

an example would be the sentence referring to a particular school and its directions, but if misread you could reasonably read the kanji as telling you to spit on rice fields

both are equally valid

[tight bramble]

Yall should look up the polygon video about the "Kojima Name Generator" by BDG. It's really funny lol

[versed geyser]

thanks for the link

[ripe minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-metal-gear-blank-screen-gif-25488188

[versed geyser]

a HIDEO video

[tight bramble]

Am i allowed to put links in here?

[ripe minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/link-zelda-funny-memes-goofy-ahh-pictures-memes-funny-gif-3849978994181718307

[jolly sky]

"Hot Coldman" lmao what a character

[tight bramble]

https://youtu.be/t-3i6GBYvdw?si=awNwI1Dq1YzDi-tK

[versed geyser]

I hope I didn't scare off @rancid mauve -kun

I promise I'll ignore all your Japanese in the future

[versed geyser]

you can't react to your OWN link ya spud

@versed geyser is the best

nvm you're allowed to

do I need nitro to add a bio? I'm new to all this

[tight bramble]

I laugh at my own jokes and answer my own verbal questions to myself. Sometimes I need an expert opinion lol

[rancid mauve]

i was just confused, since I just wrote it like I was going to say it in JP

looking at the DeepL suggestion. lol

the proper way of writing things isnt always how a sentence gets built from my brain

[teal zodiac]

reminder to watch this video in 5 years after i play all the 12 games on the series

[rancid mauve]

me no think no goodly

[ripe minnow]

no just spend time in the Discord app settings under profile also you can tailor a simple bio per server; having nitro or purchasing skins allows you to flair it out

[rancid mauve]

Nitro basically lets you go all out with customization if you want to. You will still have all the basics like a bio if you are using a free account.

there are also some other nice perks, like being able to stream at higher quality

[ripe minnow]

I wish i could use the gif i have for the entire profile background though

[indigo wadi]

Are yall still talking about Kojima?

[rancid mauve]

I was busy messing with G translate, Jisho.org, and DeepL. its fine. I know my JP is ultra rusty and terribad.

[teal zodiac]

🐟

[sand solstice]

Got this at a Japanese restaurant

[rancid mauve]

I can use some ice cream right now...

[sand solstice]

Mexican was delicious fresh vanilla bean ice cream

Mexican supposed to be ice cream

Lol

[rancid mauve]

dang it... now I want tacos...

[sand solstice]

Hahahahaha

[rancid mauve]

oddly, fish tacos would really hit the spot

[sand solstice]

😂😅😂😅😅🤣😂😂🤣😆🤣😅😂😂😅😂😂🤣🤣😆🤣😆😆😆😅😂😅😂😂🤣😅😂😂😅😂🤣😂😅

[rancid mauve]

time to make some food to inhale

[opaque raven]

Kirby style

[flint raft]

https://tenor.com/view/food-coma-food-eat-starving-kirby-gif-4698182

[brisk sparrow]

I need an opinion chat. are these numbers sus for someone in a little bird the entire game? they also seemed to see through things they shouldnt have been able to (BF4)

[rancid mauve]

thats the power of cranking down the graphics settings

[teal zodiac]

i mean, cant you just report and let the team decide his fate?

[brisk sparrow]

BF4 is a bit tricky to report in

[rancid mauve]

you get x-ray powers by having a potato PC, trees and foliage cannot hold you back. lol

[brisk sparrow]

aaaand its 12:30 AM

i need to sleep

gn

[teal zodiac]

Overwatch 1 was like this for a while, wasnt aware other games had the same thing

reducing graphics = literally less things on screen

[brisk sparrow]

im just trying to get to level 10 to play as commander

[brisk sparrow]

its more common than you would hope

[gloomy forge]

Im very curious, why do you think GOG isn't the most stable? they always work compared to steam, because the team behind the store tries to use the newest compatbility wrapper whenever something breaks.

The only game that didn't work fully was tigershark, which is one of the most difficult to launch games.

[rancid mauve]

its just what ive heard

i dont have the GoG versions of the games

[teal zodiac]

GoG deserves all my love after what they did for Breath of Fire 4 and Tyrian 2000, i LOVE the Preservation Program they have

[rancid mauve]

i do know that sometimes, old games just are finicky in general

[gloomy forge]

for me its the opposite, I stopped buying from steam almost entirely, its GOG or itch.io but everything else is subpar and can almost be ignored.

I don't want to accuse you for buying on steam, its just what I think most people buy their games from

[rancid mauve]

considering that Ive had a steam account for a very very long time, and im generally fine with it

meh

[gloomy forge]

yeah me too sorta but never really liked Valves approach to things, people praise steam for weird reasons while GOG does all they can to save gaming. Valve did spearhead the whole digital destribution thing thoguh which is good.

[rancid mauve]

im generally fine with Valve, I do get games on GoG occasionally too

[teal zodiac]

the only reason i dont use GoG more is bcs i prefer to have everything centralized. I already have a lot of games on steam (61 games! wow) so i just got used to it

[gloomy forge]

Ohh yeah thats reasonable, I didn't mean to phrase things in a way to imply "grrrrr stop using steam grrrr" I just think GOG does a lot of good things and compared to the versions I got from steam, the versions on GOG worked when steam versions broke.

[rancid mauve]

EGS... Alan Wake 2. I think outside of that, it was the OG Fortnite that was my first purchase

before it was the EGS

[gloomy forge]

ahh yeah EGS i mean as bad as people think it is the free games are kinda unignoreable.

[rancid mauve]

everything else on my EGS is free games from giveaways

[gloomy forge]

same

[teal zodiac]

ye ye, sure, as i said, i love GoG for what they recently did for Breath of Fire 4, which is amazing is that i did see a single coment from Capcom's pr about this...nothing....all BoF pages were cheering and asking people to vote for BoF4

Capcom completely ignored that

[gloomy forge]

yeah true, typically capcom. publishers don't really give a damn about gog, they just put stuff on there and then radio silence.

[teal zodiac]

dont silence me

[rancid mauve]

you learn eventually that being a blind fan of any company/person can be very bad

[gloomy forge]

its that uphill battle calling all those publisher sub companies (capcom america, capcom europe) and make deals. fighting for DRM free products is probably the toughest battle, because thats real ownership rights. Game belongs to you for a lifetime type of deal.

[teal zodiac]

its less about being a fan and more about how they ignored something that was done passively and will probably even give them money at the end

[rancid mauve]

true

[teal zodiac]

there was nothing about it during the votes, during the final choice or even after winning

[gloomy forge]

@rancid mauve you make it sound like I'm a blind fan believe me the last spark that stopped me being fan of any company was when I was blind for gacha games. I'm glad I'm not anymore.

[teal zodiac]

at least i didnt see anything significant

[teal zodiac]

meanwhile im playing 3 hoyo games at the same time

[rancid mauve]

the thing is though, the rights holders will often push for an unreasonable level of control.

[gloomy forge]

I didn't mean to sound rude but also I'm sorry for your wallet and your time.

[rancid mauve]

there is just generally a need to find balance

oh boy, gacha games...

[gloomy forge]

yeah that is so true. obviously devs are people as well and deserve the least stress during work. we all know the stories. on the other hand publishers should stop thinking of people as moving wallets.

[teal zodiac]

Nah, i recently learned that Dev stands for Devil

[gloomy forge]

?

[kindred holly]

wut

[teal zodiac]

they are evil

[rancid mauve]

Ive tried out some gacha... but I think my gaming background makes it very hard to really get hooked

[teal zodiac]

dont trust devs, they want your money

[gloomy forge]

those pesky devs grrrrr

[kindred holly]

chuckles evily in game artist

[rancid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[subtle gate]

I would like your money too 😏

[rancid mauve]

and it does heavily change from one dev to another. lol

[teal zodiac]

every time i open GameMaker i'm obliged by contract to do a bad deed

[versed geyser]

sweet thanks

[teal zodiac]

its just the contract

[kindred holly]

Opening UE5 makes me want to commit various war crimes

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-legends-of-avantris-war-cry-chuckles-the-clown-dnd-gif-3651165872526298357

[gloomy forge]

oh thats why there was a "if you make a platformer be really to give away your soul" TOS when I opened godot for the first time, neat.

using unity makes me wanna watch...piratesoftware.

truly the evilest of deeds.

[versed geyser]

it's not that GOG is less stable, the games themselves are (the MGS one)

[teal zodiac]

Godot asked me for a first born, which is ofc fair, since it wasnt mine anyway

[gloomy forge]

@versed geyser I was thinking about it, I don't have a problem with the GOG MGS version.

[gloomy forge]

truly based

[versed geyser]

most people don't unless they've played the console MGS games

it's just finicky

[gloomy forge]

hmm, maybe. I use a controller so that may be the reason why.

it felt better, but I was just thinking about crashes and all. No crashes on the gog version.

[versed geyser]

yeah remember the GOG version are the PC ports from Konami

[rancid mauve]

they are old applications, so there is going to be jank

[gloomy forge]

Yeah of course, at least GOG does use custom compatibility wrappers to make things work. they do that quite often.

[gloomy forge]

or stuff like dgvoodoo

[rancid mauve]

its like how I first played FF7 on PC... yes, it was on CDs... 4 of them

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-gif-13255102678780447178

the original.

[teal zodiac]

thats not a kanji, thats clearly a guy holding a spear

which can ofc be a kanji anyway

[gloomy forge]

Kojimbo loves eva but he never says it

[tight bramble]

I put it up since the convo was about mgs lol

[tight bramble]

Hell yeah, and if one of them got scratched, you were SOL

[rancid mauve]

The OG FF7 on PC was played entirely with the num pad on the keyboard...

[tight bramble]

I didnt know that. I was on Playstation.

That sounds super jank

[rancid mauve]

it was jank for sure, but great game

[kindred holly]

OG FF7 was great

[rancid mauve]

I also played FF8 for the first time on PC...

[tight bramble]

I had to beg my dad to get advent children for me. Still listen to one winged angel to this day.

[versed geyser]

fun fact; that's how you read most kanji. that ideogram means "sharp/harsh" depending on its context.

[kindred holly]

No joke, I found out about FF7 because of a Jedi Academy skin for Cloud from Advent Children, lol

[teal zodiac]

i tried to give a chance to the FF7 remake but....meh, the new story was a huge problem for me

[rancid mauve]

man, back in the day, with the popularity of FF7. Sqeenix was top tier with their CGI for a very long time

[kindred holly]

I haven't finished Remake. I liked some of the expansions they made to the minor characters, but the timey whimy bullshit bothers me.

[gloomy forge]

Jedi Academy has insanely good mods.

I love the game.

[tight bramble]

As far as final fantasies go, I've played 7, 8, 10, 10-2, 14, 15, and 16.

[gloomy forge]

You should play FF9, the best one.

[kindred holly]

Like, it's RIGHT THERE! Just keep the story the way it is and expand the parts that elevate it!

[gloomy forge]

At least if you were young.

[gloomy forge]

FF9 is mature without being too edgy, does a lot of things right for kids story material.

[kindred holly]

Holy shit it was super good! I got introduced to 3D because I tried to make my own mods when I was 13.

And FF9 has been on my list for a very long time. It looks really charming.

[gloomy forge]

Oh wow, using older 3d software seems like a hassle, modern software is so much easier to use.

[rancid mauve]

finished: 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 14, 15
partial: 1, 4, 10

[teal zodiac]

from all the FF ive ever played my favorite story wise is still 1
in 15 minutes you saved a princess, destroyed the evil lord, saved a city from pirates, killed a demon elf, cured a witch, cured a prince, saved a city from plague.

[tight bramble]

It's a tie between 7, 10, and 16 for my faves. All for different reasons and connections to different parts of my life.

[kindred holly]

It was worse, I didn't use Blender, I used Gmax because it was listed in some janky tutorial that's probably long gone now.

UVing was a nightmare and I never made it to rigging.

[rancid mauve]

and yea... I finished the story of 14 up to the most recent expansion...

[idle hill]

man, gotta love the 15 year old outdated tutorials

[teal zodiac]

i actually got 16 with the dlcs as a gift a while ago, but i never played

[tight bramble]

The protagonist does NOT suffer bullshit. He mean mugs everyone lol

[rancid mauve]

join the club. I bought 16 on sale... its sitting in my library unplayed... menacingly

[teal zodiac]

on FF1 you have no tutorials, no backstory, you are 4 heroes and that's it, thats all the motivation you need, go save the world

[kindred holly]

I think the one I played the most was really FF7 but I really wanted to try out FF6. I've heard that story is argueably more shocking than FF7.

[teal zodiac]

i still have the psp anniv edition of FF1, love that game. Sadly the Pixel Remaster style was kinda offputting for me

[rancid mauve]

I guess whenever im in the mood for Fantasy May Cry, ill start up FF16

[teal zodiac]

if there was a book of FF6 i would read it every year, the story is really good

[rancid mauve]

FF6 is my favorite FF

[tight bramble]

I connect with the protagonist as a veteran. And the story is heart wrenching most of the time.

[teal zodiac]

what do you mean as a veteran?

[rancid mauve]

I can understand that. Im sure its a perfectly good game, its just that it might not embody "Final Fantasy" as much as it probably should have.

[kindred holly]

Iirc, I'm pretty sure there's a seen where ||one of the characters tried to commit suicide||. Like, when it got dark, it was dark.

[tight bramble]

I served in the US Army for 10 years

[gloomy forge]

:pog:

[kindred holly]

davysartcorner has left the chat

[frozen nimbus]

Oh sick thank you for your service

[gloomy forge]

a veteran, he witnessed the console wars.

[rancid mauve]

Pepperidge Farm, is that you?

[ripe minnow]

I was there chat 3000 years ago; sorry flipped it

[tight bramble]

Yeah i wonde where the next game is going to go. They haven't said anything since ff7 is the main focus.

[frozen nimbus]

So i just opened chat, any recent updates on stuff?

Or has if been pretty quiet

[tight bramble]

You're very welcome ❤️

[tight bramble]

Bruh, that's the whole truth, your honor lol shit was a horror show

[ripe minnow]

someone uploaded a video on youtube but they have enough views i rather not talk about it and have it be calm here

[teal zodiac]

OH!! That's amazing! I very recently joined rdn, it had been life changing for me in many different ways

[frozen nimbus]

[teal zodiac]

10 years sounds like a lot of time

but thn again, the older i get the faster the time passes

[tight bramble]

It's really not lol I have a friend who retired at 21 years and one who retired at 32 years

[ripe minnow]

10 years is either a full war or half a war depending when you serve i bet

[rancid mauve]

it kind of also depends on what kind of position you get too

[ripe minnow]

I would imagine so

[teal zodiac]

i was thinking generally, like staying on any job for 10 years

[frozen nimbus]

4 years is too much already

[teal zodiac]

but thn again, maybe on the US army you might end up chaging a lot what you do over the years

[rancid mauve]

desk job? 10 years is nothing. front line? 10 years is forever

plus yes, lots of people change their roles over time

[tight bramble]

I also worked at UPS for 12 years lol my body is wrecked lol

[teal zodiac]

no, nevermind

its a rude question

[tight bramble]

No its ok lol I stand resolute. I am 35.

[rancid mauve]

ive had some USPS roomies before. ive heard its pretty rough for sure.

[frozen nimbus]

Yeah I keep hearing new things about it

[tight bramble]

I joined the army when I was 17 in 2008. In 2012 in between enlistments I started working for ups. My second enlistment was in the national guard.

[teal zodiac]

ah, makes a lot of sense now

[thick ledge]

Chat this is fascinating but

Instead of talking about it

Answer this question

Would you rather have 10k or dinner with JayZ

[kindred holly]

The answer is ur mom

[ripe minnow]

10k

[frozen nimbus]

I no nothing about jayz

I almost want to ask who he is

I have heard the name

[thick ledge]

But imagine all the things you could learn from jayz over dinner

[frozen nimbus]

Is he a rapper

[ripe minnow]

Jayz ia music artist of rap / hip hop and married to Beyonce

[frozen nimbus]

I see

[kindred holly]

I actually didn't know the later part of that

[frozen nimbus]

Still taking my 10k, I could buy so much merch

[teal zodiac]

were you stationed/deployed at some point?

[tight bramble]

Unfortunately no.....I tried twice but it never happened.

[ember ember]

Taking the 10k and betting it all on black

[rancid mauve]

unless you are a superfan, or a serious up and coming artist in the same genre... why skip on the $10k?

[teal zodiac]

Who is actually worth 10k for a dinner with? thats the thing

[thick ledge]

Jayz

[kindred holly]

Maybe Weird Al?

[teal zodiac]

nah

Kojima maybe

[limber gulch]

no one on the planet would I have dinner with over 10k

[thick ledge]

Hence the very difficult question

[ember ember]

Gabe if he had the only copy of half life 3

[thick ledge]

A real head scratcher

[rancid mauve]

why would he bring it to dinner?

[teal zodiac]

Can the person leave or are they obliged to stay with me on the table?

[ember ember]

Probably to sell it to you for 10k

[teal zodiac]

is this a hostage situation?

[thick ledge]

You're obligated to stay

[teal zodiac]

not me, the other person

[thick ledge]

They can leave

[teal zodiac]

hm

[thick ledge]

You have to stay

[teal zodiac]

do they have to eat the food?

[thick ledge]

You either have to eat your food, OR thier food

But you have to fight them for it

[rancid mauve]

there is one person that would be well worth $10k that many people are currently paying $10+million... and its not someone that I like...

[thick ledge]

It's me

[teal zodiac]

how long is this dinner?

what would quality as its end?

[thick ledge]

Shinku HATES me

The dinner is as long as JayZ makes it, he has to decide it's over

[rancid mauve]

oh? I didnt know you were recently gifted a private jet...

[teal zodiac]

too much power on the other side

[thick ledge]

I know it's so troublesome

The storage fees are killing me

[teal zodiac]

they can leave anytime, they can stop the dinner anytime

[thick ledge]

I own a jet but no where to leave it

Yeah but you can eat thier dinner

[teal zodiac]

i had a list but not anymore, too much freedom for what i wanted

[thick ledge]

And you can kick them under the table

[limber gulch]

depending on what im allowed to bring with me I might have dinner with that guy. shit if we get steak knives I might even do it

[teal zodiac]

ye but i would want them to eat their dinner

[thick ledge]

They are at the dinner voluntarily so you'd have to scare them away

[teal zodiac]

dinner with a dash of nightshade

[thick ledge]

Chat is plotting to either kill me, or the actor who plays barney

Holy shit, is that known

Do we know who's in the suit

Is that like, public knowledge

https://tenor.com/view/barney-the-dinosaur-clapping-clap-applause-clapping-hands-gif-9709031724878302562

Who is in there

[teal zodiac]

if i could teleport anyone to have dinner with me for 3 hrs and eat whatever i ask the chef to make, that would be one hell of a list

[thick ledge]

Hold on going to Google I need to know

[limber gulch]

its probably a bunch of people at this point

[teal zodiac]

maybe the voice was one or two guys

[thick ledge]

It was only ever this guy

Idk what I expected

[versed geyser]

SKG conversation incoming

[inland harness]

I am new to it

[spare topaz]

do we have to? its the weekend

[waxen comet]

how many days is it now

[torpid timber]

I can't really open a portion of the social media apps I browse without seeing someone slandering Thor because of his stance on SKG.

[waxen comet]

the whole skg debate

[ripe minnow]

at least a week? maybe less

[vast pilot]

Congrats on them getting 600k. That's all I have to say

[inland harness]

https://tenor.com/view/ntuni-otter-surprised-cute-gif-9912404397452021235

[versed geyser]

just be aware you're in Thor's discord and his position is likely shared by a majority of people here. imo I disagree with him, and if you want more nuanced takes don't scroll through YouTube but rather see how devs are talking on X about it. Devs are on both sides of this for different reasons. respect all opinions.

[inland harness]

That’s why I’m having this conversation in two discords

[torpid timber]

wise choice.

[inland harness]

So far all I have is both sides have valid points and concerns

[waxen comet]

whos the other side or discord

[distant rapids]

Its only the jerks that get banned. And honestly i lost a lot of respect for moistcritikal for his recent vid on it, even pulling up a deleted tweet that was... completely valid. Like, don't say someone is arrogant for talking the same way you do lol

[waxen comet]

i am so far somewhere in the middle with leaning to SKG's goals but also leaning to the practicality of thors arguments

i havent watched critikals video yet, nor have i watched the his videos in general for a while

also yea ive been getting a lot of PirateSoftware is [insert thing here] videos for like the past 2-3 days

[tight bramble]

The only true correct position to have is BREAD FOR THE MODS

[hollow warren]

He has to be the most talked about person on the internet at this point

[waxen comet]

i mostly ignore them cause i just wanna watch something else

[torpid timber]

and many of which just quote the dire maul incident...

[waxen comet]

dire maul incident?

the WoW thing?

[torpid timber]

yep

[distant rapids]

I am at heart a practical person and a wait and see person. So i am cautiously optomistic about skg but, just like politics and legalities, people have disagreements on how things will work out. I still can't fond any real evidence that thor actually misled about something, but i see hundreds of comments saying it with no sauce

[torpid timber]

people are still not over it

[faint rapids]

Howdy, everyone still mad?

[versed geyser]

he is, sadly. the initiative isn't: he is.

[waxen comet]

im not experienced in WoW

so even i dont understand if what thor did was right or wrong

i can only trust with what people are saying about how it should work

[distant rapids]

I DID find it funny how some of them called thor maldavius. Like, hmmm. I wonder where that person got that from

[hollow warren]

I’m more pissed off about bloodborne not being remastered then anything going on rn

[torpid timber]

everyone in that group was at fault, but the narrative was twisted so that only he was wrong, allegedly.

[faint rapids]

Thor was very low on mana as the teams healer and said he didn't have any and didn't take blame very soon after

[versed geyser]

ignore that drama shit. really.

[torpid timber]

if you value your sanity that is ^

[versed geyser]

I don't even know why you brought this up to begin with. he's asking about SKG

[idle hill]

As far as I know Thor's position, and my own, are "The idea of Stop Killing Games is good. People should be allowed to own their games, and companies should declare clearly (not just in a massive TOS) that they're buying a license to multiplayer games. This initiative, however, would end up harming consumers while simultaneously infringing on developers' creative rights."

[waxen comet]

nono i was referring to the WoW incident

[torpid timber]

i mentioned it mainly because it was brought up in a lot of the drama videos #streamchat message

[proud lily]

He wasn't a healer but a dps.
Mage can't heal in classic afaik.

[versed geyser]

you came to ask about that?

[distant rapids]

Real. They need to do it. It would even make them so much money. It's even showcased with how popular oblivion remastered was. And they STILL WONT aaaa

[waxen comet]

well he mentioned it and i just said that i dont understand anything about the WoW incident

[hollow warren]

People theorize it’s gonna be a launch title with the PS6 but if that’s the case then why didn’t they do it with the PS5 Pro?

[faint rapids]

Ah, not a WOW player so I'm not certain

[distant rapids]

I have my doubts. They need to make live service number 43

[waxen comet]

im a gamer but i cant comment on games i never played

[versed geyser]

yeah that's @torpid timber 's fault

[waxen comet]

i barely even know how raids are supposed to work in any MMOs

[proud tundra]

The wow stuff is dumb anyways it’s just a game

[torpid timber]

sorry.

[waxen comet]

the only thing i know is like

yea just kill the boss

[spare topaz]

the irony is that the internet's fixation with shitting on thor might actually scupper the very initiative they claim to be arguing in favour of. Only so much oxygen in the internet space, and i cant actually see much chatter about SKG in general outside of small pockets. Hell, even the fact they only got 100k signatures out of the last few days is surprising

Not gonna lie, even if i dont like the initiative's wording, id rather the internet fixated on the initiative instead of all this

[waxen comet]

but not any of the nuances or raid compositions

[proud lily]

Yea, the way he was supposed to "safe" people was by crowd controling the enemies at great risk of losing his own character.

[idle hill]

I'm a gamer, but I don't have the spare income to spend on other video games, so I play modded Minecraft instead. I will instead watch other peoples' experiences on video games, judging by the content of the game rather than solely taking the creators' perspective, and form my own opinion in that way.

[distant rapids]

Typically, you want to listen to your shotcaller. If they say run, you run. If they say stay, you stay. If they say illegible due to chaos and screaming, you run.

[torpid timber]

I do like that Josh did try to pull the narrative back to the initiative.

[faint rapids]

So the LMG guy ran away, got it😅👍

[waxen comet]

there are other methods but i shall not speak of thus

[versed geyser]

you mean borrowing games permanently? don't do itttt

[rancid mauve]

for sure, there is a ton of misinformation and slander happening. at the same time, its odd that it was nearly 10 months ago that SKG was started, and there really hasnt been a peep about it till everyone decided to tie Thor to a stake and light him on fire.

[idle hill]

I refuse to turn to piracy. Not only is it illegal, but I put my own system and information at risk by doing so.
I'm also an artist who is strongly against genAI, it would be absurd for me to condone piracy.

[distant rapids]

Weird how that works.

[versed geyser]

carry on chat. be nice and balanced

[inland harness]

No, I’m just curious about SKG so far what I’ve seen both sides have valid arguments and I figured I would ask because I’d rather look a fool for a minute then be a fool for life but clearly I have started an inferno instead

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-extinguish-fire-extinguisher-gif-8771035

[proud tundra]

I’m just curious if you guys aren’t game developers as consumers wouldn’t you want to support skg ?

[spare topaz]

nah you havent bud, its just that thousands of people had the same idea as you

[distant rapids]

I do recommend reading the actions done page. Some things are harder to find, though, like written goals that arent just vaguely written. But the dig is worth it to be informed

[tight bramble]

I still stand by my earlier statement 😦

[waxen comet]

i never said it was piracy

[proud lily]

I want my devs to be happy to an extent because happy devs make happy games.
It's not us vs. them. And it shouldn't be.

[torpid timber]

not for live service games that require multiplayer for a large portion of it's content

[waxen comet]

i only said there are other methods

[proud tundra]

This makes sense

[torpid timber]

live service games that don't require it... yeah I'm all for skg.

[spare topaz]

i support the idea of it, but not how its presented; my main concern is that without clarification on what being left in a playable state is, it leaves the floor wide open for the EU to implement an interpretation that can severely hamper innovation in the market. I like games, and would like to see more of them be made

[rancid mauve]

I feel like the vast majority of people are supportive of the spirit of SKG. we all hate it when publishers and rights owners are douchy.

[distant rapids]

It needs a more solid, public facing direction. Ross doesnt actually outline EXACTLY how he defines things, and that's a problem

[proud tundra]

Okay I see I’m sure you guys are tired of talking about this lol it seems a big problem is the wording in the documents ?

[versed geyser]

I was as a career (worked for Funcom, Nintendo, and MS) and now as a hobby. I'm a strong advocate for SKG.

[idle hill]

Yes, that is exactly it.

[ripe minnow]

according to ross on the gamers nexus advocacy channel The actual EU initiative is purposefully vague so the EU can't dismiss this if they were specific about binaries apprently

[spare topaz]

yes but youre not the only voice in the room,

[torpid timber]

StopKillingGames
looks inside
Kills future games

[proud lily]

The only problem is the wording tbh.
And Ross inability to communicate well/be decisive.

[distant rapids]

And lack thereof. I don't like the lack of transparency with what he sent to be looked over

[waxen comet]

theres some parts that i do not particularly like about the FAQ too

for example

[teal zodiac]

oh for sure talking about it or the repetition of the arguments are not big deals, what actually chipped out the patience of most was the sometimes aggression, name calling, etc

[waxen comet]

granting penalty for destroying copies of games sold

[spare topaz]

you should take heed of your own wise words and treat the rest of us with respect bud. Our view is just as valid as yours. You are coming at it from a game dev perspective, im coming at it from a regulatory affairs perspective

[teal zodiac]

you know

[versed geyser]

To be fair, and I didn't want to repeat myself, the iniative isn't legislative proposal, it's concerns raised for the EU Commission to consider and consult with industry to then clarify, revise, and eventually negotiate on terms.

[waxen comet]

sure it incentivizes the opposite effect

[faint rapids]

Any other goblins hand out in chat and watch YouTube in split screen?

[waxen comet]

the it also incentivizes another effect

[faint rapids]

Hang

[waxen comet]

they just dont make games that cant be destroyed

[versed geyser]

Please don't condescend me with "bud". I respect your take as well.

[proud tundra]

I’ll be honest I’m not the brightest guy especially when it comes to legal stuff so I’m just tryna gather the basic points out of it lol

[distant rapids]

There wasnt anything aggressive in that

[spare topaz]

yes, and assumption leads to room for error. Specifity is king when proposing a new regulation

[waxen comet]

imagine shutting down your servers because you cant keep up with the server cost but then you have to pay again for the amount of players you sold them to

[spare topaz]

fair enough, i retract my colloquialisms

[waxen comet]

and i think that would hamper live service game development

[rancid mauve]

We all have different opinions about SKG, but I think as I mentioned before, the concept/spirit of it, we generally all agree with. the problem is mainly the execution from what it seems. This is unfortunately where it seems like people decided to point at Thor and start incoherently screaming.

[waxen comet]

live service is so volatile that theres a tweet by a live service game announcing its LAUNCH and END OF SERVICE in ONE TWEET

[versed geyser]

My position comes from working within the EU with similar ECIs as well as being at the table for EULA drafting with publishers. I understand how the process works, but I also understand the concerns of those who don't agree with me - and I don't want anyone's opinion to be changed by me just from reading Discord messages especially.

[waxen comet]

im like whats the point of launching the game now lmao

[proud lily]

Pride at that point kinda.

[idle hill]

Many people can't seem to differentiate the concept from the execution, unfortunately. They see the pretty letters on the outside and assume the inside is just as pretty.

[proud tundra]

Yeah I can’t see why you wouldn’t want this personally coming from just a basic standpoint I mean keeping your games and playing them for as long as you want why would you say no to that but I guess it’s more complicated than that

[waxen comet]

i mean look at this lmao

[inland harness]

Yep, that about sums it up

Program I wrote about this

If this :
Then how(that)
Else what

[idle hill]

Remember, Thor worked in QA for Blizzard, he knows how people will abuse the system when it comes to it

[waxen comet]

it lived for 3 months

er well 4

i still find it very funny

[spare topaz]

funnily enough, my position also comes from working within the EU, on work for exemptions for sectors from REACH and other similar regulations where rulings now threaten to eliminate entire ranges of products because no one thought of them when they passed it. We each have different experiences of this big unwieldy beast

it may come as a shock to you, but i actually want the principles enshrined in SKG to one day be law, but i have also seen the darker side of what happens when people dont take all possibilities into account

[idle hill]

If anything people should know from his stories that people can and will abuse the living shit out of the wording of the law in order to benefit themselves

[teal zodiac]

I mean, if you click on my tag (COPE) you will know my stance on preservation

[rancid mauve]

I see it as Thor trying to make it clear that there is going to be nuance involved with seeing how to approach this subject, since it seems like the initial push for things is almost entirely end-consumer focused. Apparently pointing this out makes you an "industry plant". Man... the cancel mob is so exhausting...

[versed geyser]

then:
renegotiate
except:
damage is [industry,consumers]

[waxen comet]

ah yea Dragalia Lost

[spare topaz]

im not saying SKG shouldnt succeed someday - im just saying that this version of it has too many openings for unintended consequences

[waxen comet]

the game that got eosed by nintendo

[tight bramble]

Mfw I am reading chat, not wanting to miss anything, while hearing my glass of lemonade spill all over the counter.

[waxen comet]

cygames usually have a good track record with their games

[idle hill]

is the lemonade ok

[waxen comet]

but i g not this one, got EoSed too early

[tight bramble]

Ded 😞

[waxen comet]

funny considering Rage of Bahamut has fully finished the story and that there are no more patches in the future but the servers havent shut down

[spare topaz]

[inland harness]

👆