streamchat

[indigo wadi]

People don't think of the far reaching complications

[cinder radish]

Death stranding 2 has some amazing results, there's still hope

[earnest mirage]

like cities skyline 2

[versed geyser]

GM does this

[terse pelican]

Doesn't a lot of console ports run at 30/60 FPS?

[thick ledge]

I think it's a solid first step to make sure consumers are informed on what thier buying, it may have in impact on the popularity of games that die and companies may start to turn away from them

[covert lake]

and maybe if it was subjested better people would believe in it more

[gaunt remnant]

Yes but you can promise people the moon and 1 million people will sign. The question as to how you do it is always more complicated

[earnest mirage]

the consoles usually use low quality models compared to pc in the first place.
God of war 100gb on ps and about the double on pc.

[covert lake]

because at the end of the day you have to believe in it to think about it

[thick ledge]

I can't speak to what people would support

Only what I would support

[gaunt remnant]

People want an easy solution to a complicated issue, always. It's always the same story, and it never works

[terse pelican]

Makes sense

[dusky grove]

SKG as it is right now is like saying "Kill all flies" while yes, many will say its good to get rid of em, it ignores the knock on effects like pollination and stuff.

[fluid dome]

If its a stylistic choice then I can move past 30 but if you have the option why settle for less

[waxen comet]

making online only games playable offline is not that easy

[covert lake]

that also subjest that the people here debating belived in it at one point to it just ended sooner

[waxen comet]

for one theres proprietary stuff that might get in the way

the next is just thats just more work

[gaunt remnant]

I mean yes, for a lot of them it is easy. The question is: Why would you for some of those?

[thick ledge]

I think it's sad that all of us, and Thor andRoss, believe something should be done, and its only the disagreement on specifics, and thst its devolved to death threats and sending the police to thors house,

[covert lake]

and what would it lose by doing that

[waxen comet]

theres also innate structure of the game where the game is hardly functioning even if only offline

[earnest mirage]

and they have to use upscalers and maybe framegen.
Like native 4k, no way. Not even a high end gaming rig can run smooth native 4k, usual.

[fluid dome]

Bloodborne, while I can play it, should be playable at 60 but it's locked to 30. Why? No idea

[waxen comet]

i would LOVE to have my games be always playable even without internet

[thick ledge]

Imo this just serves to make all of us look bad

[dusky grove]

Agreed

[gaunt remnant]

Either you develop 2 complex infrastructures for a single game to make it both work in offline and online mode, or you don't do the game at all because that costs a ton of money and takes time

[covert lake]

its the fight of im right and you must think the way i think or your not real

[fluid dome]

The PS2 says hi

[gaunt remnant]

Welcome to the internet where people send death threats because you told them you don't like the colour red

[waxen comet]

its just sometimes it gets really difficult when its not easy to make a game and be playable in 2 different kinds

[thick ledge]

People have sent him photos of his house, ect

[waxen comet]

hardware dies eventually

[nova bough]

so many people just need to touch some #@$#@ grass

[terse pelican]

Yeah, we all agree that it's disgusting to do that over this.

[covert lake]

someone showed up to the store he was shoping at

[nova bough]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-touch-grass-gif-24659299

[thick ledge]

Yeah someone found out where he shops and showed up

[jolly sky]

What the....

[nova bough]

thats legit unhinged stalker behavior

[covert lake]

most people would file a restraining order on people like that

[thick ledge]

People trying to physically intimidate him into supporting skg

[terse pelican]

Time, Effort, Cost

[gaunt remnant]

That also sounds a lot more simple than it probably is because then you open a lot of potentially exploitable backdoors in your game

[nova bough]

i would 1000% get at least a police report, and then a restraining order

[covert lake]

you cant force people to think like you period

everyone has a right to think they way they do

or feel a way

[fluid dome]

How lonely and sad must your life be that you rabidly search for a dude's store and home

[gaunt remnant]

This kind of shit is happening, but let's keep farming content about it on Youtube to make views and money, it must be harmless right?

[thick ledge]

Idk but. It's scary

[worthy ivy]

there seems to be a sentiment that Thor should apologise for damaging the movement by having an opinion about it - I have that right, right?

okay then, let's accept on face value the claim that Thor's take ten months ago 'damaged' the movement...

can we reasonably expect him to disavow his own opinion because it might have 'damaged' the initiative that he explicitly said he wouldn't support as-written?

something something what planet? something something touch grass

(said with love)
🙂

[jolly sky]

And the more you force it, the more you'll actually do the opposite and reinforce the objection

[covert lake]

ya thats how it happens emotion feeds emotion

[thick ledge]

It makes me want to have nothing to do with the movement

It makes the movement look REALLY bad

[covert lake]

being rational and scientific is the only way to prevent it

[cinder radish]

It depends. As an example, what game did you have in mind that works like this?

[waxen comet]

thats one way to make it "playable" the issue is youre offering the server part and you also kind of have to ensure that yknow
that server actually works for other machines

[gaunt remnant]

"You're either with us, or you're against" is the kind of mentality that makes you not want to interract with the movement at all

[covert lake]

so stand your ground just dont compromise how you feel or think thats why we debat

[nova bough]

so many internet personalities have a cult that will do absolutely unhinged things, and honestly its pretty scary. those people need therapy

[cinder radish]

Well which games though. Cause half life and tf2 are very different games

[worthy ivy]

cough cough second gulf war cough cough

[terse pelican]

Yeah, Sadly, Ross said that in his video

[thick ledge]

Alot of really scary people involved with skg, makes me want to stay far away from it

[covert lake]

dont lose yourself

[gaunt remnant]

People are acting like Thor is a country's dictator trying to stop a law that would allow elections to occur

[nova bough]

WoW drama was pretty nutty too

[gaunt remnant]

What about the item server?

[thick ledge]

And that's not the reasonable people's fault

[covert lake]

confirm your emotions

[ripe minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/piratesoftware-thor-i-hate-you-internet-gif-4950465273846404545

[thick ledge]

But the element of fear involved with it is really bad for the movements health

[jolly sky]

Well, they were designed to have server hosting in mind, and this was also at a time where matchmaking barely existed and almost every game was run through individual servers.

[covert lake]

are you mad sad angry upset?

[worthy ivy]

masangset?

[covert lake]

are you ignoreing your feeling?

[fluid dome]

I personally as a citizen of the UK don't feel the want or need to either support of sign the initiative bc thankfully, thos country still has some decency when it comes to consumer protections and rights. We have regulatory bodies for a reason. It's not that hard to get.

Government intervention =/= the government will force me to do shit I don't want to do

That's my take on the matter.

[terse pelican]

But, You ''bought'' those items, So you own those in the game aswell

[gaunt remnant]

Cosmetics? You mean the entire market developped around that game?

Believe me, I love TF2 and a lot of people love TF2, but if the item server dies, even if the game is still playable on community servers, it's going to be a very very small minority of people

[covert lake]

are you ignoring others because you have a feeling?

[gaunt remnant]

It's not just cosmetics, it's also weapons

[jolly sky]

So you're killing an entire section of a massive games industry

[gaunt remnant]

You're just going to play TF2 Vanilla forever if Valve doesn't explicitly allow every item in the game to be used by anyone

[nova bough]

i still maintain that if the gaming commuity banded together we could actually solve what SKG aims to do by voting with our wallets, but unfortunately there are too many people that just dont care.

[fluid dome]

Also, assuming that every government body will behave the exact same as the US Government is just silly

[thick ledge]

I'd say 80% of the game consumer base simply doesn't care

[jolly sky]

There's a reason why it moved to matchmaking instead of servers, because its far easier to hop into a game, and server browsers on consoles don't really work that well.

[waxen comet]

they would need to accurately define what playable means because not every game will be playable in the future bec of aging software

[covert lake]

bros never played a indie game

name one

[nova bough]

i might be wrong on this, but esp the chinese market. where gacha games run wild

[earnest mirage]

oh a new playstation, time for the old one to go to the trash.

[thick ledge]

Metro gravity

[waxen comet]

like in a decade or two, old games can no longer function in future OSes

are companies still liable to make that game playable?

[terse pelican]

I said earlier, By the vagueness of the proposal, Just being in the menu would be ''Playable''

[waxen comet]

its not playable bec the game is too old

[thick ledge]

Metro gravity has some awesome tunes to go with its rhythm combat

[covert lake]

the problem with that is predatory company's

[waxen comet]

thats an obstacle in the wording

[median hornet]

That would pose the argument that it’s still playable on the system it released on.

[jolly sky]

For something that has so many, MANY other laws and complexities to waft through, that simply isn't good enough.

There have been other initiatives out forward that actually go into detail and have gotten passed.

[nova bough]

if it gets old enough, it goes into emulation. thats how its handled now

[waxen comet]

but does it not defeat the initiative's purpose?

[covert lake]

with that vagueness devs could be stolen out there ass

and never payed

[worthy ivy]

'vague' and 'legislation' are unhappy bedfellows

[fluid dome]

Because they don't. Me included. It is a non issue. It is not within my sphere of influence. Plus, people have actual shit to deal with, I don't think whether a game I own will be unplayable in 50 years time or not matters in the grand scheme of things. I'll be dead by then most likely, why would I give a shit?

[median hornet]

I wouldn’t say so, no. Playable, not up to date

[worthy ivy]

stuff like that has to specific

[thick ledge]

Yeah there's also the problem of consumers DDOSing a game to death to basically steal it from the devs

[worthy ivy]

it's why software t&cs are a million pages long

[thick ledge]

Bankrupt them with ddos and get the server software

[waxen comet]

the initiatives purpose was to make games render in a playable state but it by no means mention of any "duration" or qualification

[covert lake]

this is a huge problem in japan with black company's hiring people patently there product then firing them

[nova bough]

i personally care about the money grabbing companies are doing. im not huge on preserving games, i generally dont care.

[covert lake]

why because japanese law is vague on some things

[median hornet]

But it should be in order to make sure the LAW doesn’t overlook loopholes

[fluid dome]

It's never an issue if you don't give them your money, usually

[indigo wadi]

What happens if DosBox no longer exists and dos-games can no longer be ran? Now what?

[jolly sky]

SKG is simply vastly oversimplifying and underestimating what it wants to do, in favour of an easy looking slogan

[waxen comet]

not only that but currently with the wording, SKG cannot fullfill its function for digital purchases

[worthy ivy]

a vague initial proposal will leave the detail of the law to the lawmakers - I'm in the UK and they way our MPs talk about technology, it's like they're still living in victorian times, wondering at these marvelous new gasless lamps

and the EU is likely worse (no politic)

[median hornet]

They can be. Less than most.

[covert lake]

copyright laws were so vague that man had a entire company stolen from him because of that

[worthy ivy]

also this

yes

[indigo wadi]

actually, my question goes to anyone

[covert lake]

even us laws have alot of loopholes

iv seen them

[median hornet]

The EU is probably the BEST place this could be presented, but it definitely still needs to be tightened.

[nova bough]

it is, though. because some games are obviously of my list (gacha games!) and others are borderline. predatory practices that thrive on addiction or like issues should have some rails.

[worthy ivy]

no, you just still have the greatest of treasures... that which is hope

[covert lake]

that would be the best thing if they looked at all the people puting in constructive criticism and adjusted

[terse pelican]

Yeah, That's the thing, We're not telling you not to support it, We're telling you what we think is the problem, You can support it still even if we don't agree on the topic and that's fine

[worthy ivy]

I am a bitter old man yelling at clouds 🙂

[cinder radish]

Okay, that's fine. That example works because that's a very standard pvp game (havent played in a while so i assume there's nothing crazy about that game).

And I can see an initiative where there's an effort to have games that don't DEPEND (so this won't include MMOs) on always online connectivity, have other means to play the game. We can put aside the cost of servers for now.

The problem isn't that most people don't want to continue playing games they purchased, it's that they don't agree with the wording of the initiative. There is fear that it could backfire if the government doesn't fully understand the initiative.

[median hornet]

Don’t get me wrong, I support the idea behind the initiative as well. Just not the current writing of it. I don’t trust politicians at all. I’ve seen too many hearings with Zuckerberg in front of congress.

[thick ledge]

I think that's OK, I think it's important to respect our views too thorx and thors

Tho*

[jolly sky]

Casual gamers across the world are naive at just how difficult and complex game design is on a myriad of levels, and so is the Initiative, it's as simple as that really

[earnest mirage]

i have my old 486 system just in case. what others do, i don't know.

[thick ledge]

I support the gist, just not the wording

[worthy ivy]

was that the one where a senator asked him how he could recover his twitter account?

[thick ledge]

I think most of us do

[worthy ivy]

and zuck looked mighty confused for a sec

[nova bough]

if we had politicians that were tech saavy, i would be more inclined to trust them. but we dont. most of the politicians ive seen struggle with basic IT things.

[indigo wadi]

this ^

"does wifi connect to tiktok?"

[nova bough]

i dont trust the EU either

[covert lake]

fr

[waxen comet]

basically this
i remember people really dumping on yandere simulator and basically a bunch of people try to make it too bec it was taking too long and the game was bad
i think like all of em basically died

[flat moat]

The EU is prone to messing up, same as any other system

[indigo wadi]

EU is not immune to incompetence. They still run on an outdated monarchy system.

[covert lake]

give it a week we have a law that the US is part of the EU XD

[waxen comet]

the entirety of EU?

[jolly sky]

The EU is not infathomable either. Look at GDPR. It's good, but it still has plenty of loopholes, and was years out of date when it got implemented.

[terse pelican]

I would say that's a bit missleading

[waxen comet]

i dont remember EU being a monarchy

[indigo wadi]

Im being silly here

[terse pelican]

Ah. Lack of food makes my brain tired.

[indigo wadi]

i may have forgotten that as well XD

[nova bough]

also:
https://pegi.info/news/pegi-complaints-board-amends-classifications-balatro-and-luck-be-landlord-pegi-12

[earnest mirage]

even with free mods. Look what part of the calamity community did to dmdokuro and then to the other 2 after him as well.

[median hornet]

EU is a collective. I assume that makes it even harder for the body to come together on understandings because they’re all familiar with their own policies in their specific countries.

[waxen comet]

i dont recall what happened to DMDokuro

or the situation with calamity mod

all i know is that mod is very hard

[nova bough]

balatro devs had to push HARD to get the EU PEGI rating changed.

[indigo wadi]

Has Lord Buckethead been elected yet?

[covert lake]

wasint that because they thought it was real money?

[fluid dome]

the solution of "let's just let the industry figure it out" is just as bad as trusting government imho. We have basically 40 years worth of fumbles., yeah sure, let's let the industry handle it. That'll work out so well 😒

[waxen comet]

rarely has the community figured it out

[median hornet]

That’s a rare take at least

[waxen comet]

skyrim can barely get a proper modern functioning mod manager

[nova bough]

imagine if we told the finance industry to just "figure it out" and abolished the laws

[waxen comet]

and minecraft modding is fractured in like what
5? different modloaders

[median hornet]

Fabric superiority

[nova bough]

my job would be aboslutely easier without the pesky SEC, but ... they do a job.

[fluid dome]

It's how I honestly feel

[waxen comet]

wouldnt be a problem if it werent teh fact that some mods are forge/neoforge only

or quilt only

[median hornet]

No, I mean the take of “let the industry figure it out” is a rare take as far as I’ve seen

[waxen comet]

many a time im like

[earnest mirage]

he made a lot of the music for the calamity mod. And the community never got enough and wants more and more. He released one track and some aggressively wanted him to drop another track this instant and more or less pushed him into burnout in no time.

[waxen comet]

yea i wanna ply this mod with this mod

but too bad

diff modloaders

[jolly sky]

Off topic somewhat, I'm seeing the 1440p stream option on tablet, but not on desktop

[waxen comet]

theres synitra connector

but its hardly a proper solution

[median hornet]

What’s on stream right now?

[fluid dome]

That's the implication I always got whenever someone was against intervention

[waxen comet]

oh basically he got burnt out

[median hornet]

I’d assume so, I’ve just not seen many people against intervention, thankfully

[earnest mirage]

he never talked about what happened to him, but i would describe it like burn out.

[earnest mirage]

there also was cdmusic and a third one (forgot the name) and the community did the same to them.

[jolly sky]

Games, and software

Oh

Wow I read that wrong

[waxen comet]

was not aware of the other two

[jolly sky]

I thought that said Steam lmao

[nova bough]

oh, new ep of murderbot is today. i need to watch that later.

[median hornet]

Lmao

I can’t watch so I wanted to know if Thor was live and what he is playing

I am at work :3

[nova bough]

hes playing Dune

[jolly sky]

Oh, Dooooone

[ripe minnow]

i mean you're still not wrong about games and software being on stream

[earnest mirage]

he plays dune and khronos is in vc trolling thor 😄

[median hornet]

I should have predicted that

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-futurama-the-best-kind-of-correct-yes-yep-gif-5787390

[earnest mirage]

yeah, unfortunately part of the community of this awesome mod is very toxic 😦

[nova bough]

they look annoyed that you're trying to use their nap spot

also root beer

[warm trench]

and tuba mouthpiece 🙂

[nova bough]

i was wondering what that was but i didnt want to ask in case it was somethign weird

[fluid dome]

Man

Lies of P is so goated

[spice crow]

gatto.

i hope it farts on your mouse.

[warm trench]

haha - the twerp has done worse

[spice crow]

lmao i can tell, LOOK AT THOSE EYES! EEEVVIIILLLL

https://tenor.com/view/evil-spongebob-gif-6081957

[warm trench]

I'm her best human though

[spice crow]

hell yeah 🙂 thats how i feel about my little turd nugget of a cat.

[warm trench]

My other

[spice crow]

lol awwwww

love the colors

those eyes are funny too

[spice crow]

name checks out

[warm trench]

The youngest addition.

[idle hill]

Some mods have ceased development due to the developer not having the time or resources to continue the project. Not everyone has someone they can pass the project on to.
RIP Fossils and Archeology

[spice crow]

awwww looks so cute with its white socks

[warm trench]

They are Zula, Zina and Zelda.. and I can't keep any of their names straight... constantly. I think I accidently even called my wife a random cats name.

[earnest mirage]

rip applied energetics 2.

[spice crow]

everyone gets a tacooo!!! 🌮

🌮

[warm trench]

I need to smoke up some pork butt and make tacos

[idle hill]

Developers will always use different engines
different languages
code in different ways
asking them all to do something you want is impossible
Asking them to continue development for a version you want is unreasonable, which already occurs in the comments of curseforge mod pages
If the mod developer allows it, then you can create a port or fork of the project. Otherwise, make your own interpretation without using their code/assets.

[idle hill]

The rights of creatives are just as important as the rights of consumers

[warm trench]

That will do it will food photos - it is lunch time though, for me at least.

[idle hill]

Pulled pork? Shredded chicken? Do tell!

[warm trench]

Pulled pork

[spice crow]

you better send some my way

i need that

[brazen drift]

Pet posting?

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-simpsons-the-simpsons-drooling-gif-16372115206532389459

[spice crow]

doggo

[brazen drift]

8 weeks, pound and a half. Names Wednesday

[earnest mirage]

meebal

[warm trench]

Bring those meat sticks over here, I dare ya!

[idle hill]

Creature

[rocky venture]

[spice crow]

lol

wrong chat

[indigo wadi]

I have questions

[rocky venture]

It was uhh.. looking heretical.

[thick ledge]

love tuning into streamchat and its just cats

and no arguments

[terse pelican]

Cats forever.

[warm trench]

And food.

[rocky venture]

https://tenor.com/view/gatto-cibo-cat-bread-hungry-cat-gif-15925702

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bread-sandwich-stare-angry-gif-27334283

[warm trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXwH7MSlRb8 Making some steaks for steak de burgo.

[vocal tree]

Something is wrong with my browser (Firefox). It doesn't load Twitch. Like at all. I tried with Edge (shudder) and it works just fine. Does anyone know how do I fix it?

[indigo wadi]

Find a better browser

[limber gulch]

just to be sure it isnt an adblock issue is it?

[vocal tree]

My adblock is off fot Twitch

[limber gulch]

if you can do cntrl + shift + i it opens the console and we may be able to get more info

[vocal tree]

*for

I have no idea what ctrl+shift+i just did...

[limber gulch]

at the bottom of the screen it should have opened a console

[vocal tree]

Yes, but what do I do with it?

[terse pelican]

While I get you want to help him, Opening a console and telling him what to type wouldn't do much good, cause for all we/He knows, you could be trying to get him to do something shady

[vocal tree]

I like FF and I have it as my default browser but I'm basically illiterate with this stuff. I do follow instructions like a champ. Especially if they have explanations as to why you do that

[limber gulch]

I dont want him to type anything, just look in the console and see if there are any errors. Do you see any rimprant?

have you tried loading the website from a private window as well

[vocal tree]

"Loading failed for the <script> with source" and a https addrees fot twitch assets

And the private window worked

[limber gulch]

are you certain your adblocker is off because im pretty sure thats causing this error

[vocal tree]

It SAYS it is off

[limber gulch]

just disabling and reenabling it may work

[vocal tree]

But I haven't changed anything. The browser updated a little while ago but I have used it since before

And the re-enabling and disabling the adblocker did nothing. Maybe I should unistall and re-install it

[terse pelican]

Remove the Adblocker, Restart your browser and see

[vocal tree]

Uninstalling and restarting browser did nothing

The tab has the twitch icon and a grey header with three lighter grey dashes and nothing else. Except for a loading icon (throbber) in the middle of thr screen

[hardy ingot]

So I tried to play Expedition 33... and it ran like absolute shit, anyone have the same experience?

I have a 4090 with r7 7700x, I don't think it should run at inconsistent 40-60 fps in 1440p

[wet coral]

Maybe its running in the IGPU instead of the actual GPU?.. not sure if the 7700x has a IGPU

[hardy ingot]

nope, definitely uses 4090, it was at 90-95% usage the entire time

I don't think an IGPU would run it even at 10 fps honestly 😄

[wet coral]

Drivers up to date, Pc recently rebooted, the usual checked?

[hardy ingot]

trying that now because I was on old drivers

but not older than the game

I mean it runs better now..

But definitely not anywhere near what I'd expect

I'm right at start of the game and it seems to run about 60-75

[vocal tree]

I was finally able to get back into Twitch. I deleted my cookies and logged in again. Really weird

[hasty grail]

have a new cookie

[vocal tree]

Thank you...I guess

[fluid dome]

How we getting on lads?

[jolly sky]

Keeping on keeping on

[hasty grail]

prepping for a modded BG3 playthrough instead of an Outer Worlds run

otherwise things are chill in here which is nice

[rough maple]

Still going into my training as network technician (as in, learning. I'm home right now).

And boy, I can't believe that this is what is teaching me just how many people should keep their tongue at rest instead of blabbering about stuff they don't understand. 🫠

[hasty grail]

ive reached that point when it comes to anything related to teaching high school students

[indigo wadi]

Running legacy raids in WoW

[hasty grail]

got my degree and did 8 months student teaching

[fluid dome]

I've just clocked a decent session of Lies of P in, and I'm now vibing to an Internet Pitstop video essay

[untold vapor]

Question: What did Thor change in his streaming settings? He said something about it but I missed it lol. Seams it does not like Linux right now, perhaps some codecs I miss.

Since I cant select 1440p.

[earnest mirage]

what are you using?

[untold vapor]

But I can watch people who stream in 4K for somre reason 😄

[untold vapor]

Right now PopOS and Firefox

[earnest mirage]

oh sry, should ask, what machine.

[untold vapor]

pretty sure problem is on my side since I have not heard anybody else complain 😛

[earnest mirage]

he use av1 if i understand it correctly and your machine should have the ability to decode it.

[untold vapor]

oh, Thinkpad T14 with an AMD 4750U

oh he switched to AV1... yeah its probably too old for that

[earnest mirage]

could be

[jolly sky]

It's the AV1 change that Twitch has finally got around to releasing

[untold vapor]

or wait, no, it does work on Windows, so guess its the drivers

[jolly sky]

For me, on Windows 10 and Firefox latest update, I cannot select 1440p

Not sure what that issue is, but someone in chat said they were also on Firefox latest and it works for them sooooo idk

[earnest mirage]

i could have (win10, firefox, 9600x and rtx3060)

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[untold vapor]

I dual boot this machine and it works on Win11 and firefox

[earnest mirage]

but since i only have a fhd display i stick with 1080p

[jolly sky]

Hmm. Maybe it's a Win10 vs Win11 thing

[untold vapor]

yeah 90% of the time I have stream on main display which is 1080p so it does not matter, but on occasion I would want higher resolution on main display

[jolly sky]

But to be honest on an 8MB/s max download speed connection, it's probably for the best lmao

[untold vapor]

I hope not 😄 I want to go back to Win10, at least as long as its safe lol

[jolly sky]

I only really enable 1440p+ quality settings for SlowMoGuys videos

[untold vapor]

haha

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/soccer-headshot-slowmo-the-slow-mo-guys-hit-gif-7354800

[earnest mirage]

just checked, i can watch primeagen on 1440p

[jolly sky]

We can finally see the glue that holds his moustache on

[untold vapor]

yeah same here, he probably dont use av1 yet

[wary drift]

This video confirms that TF2 Gmod shitposts are actually hyper realism

[earnest mirage]

yes and i have to say for just 5-6k bitrate it looks quite good.

[tight bramble]

Morning, yall. Well, morning for me i just woke up. Swing shift is best shift.

[vivid coral]

Omg this chat isn't a war zone anymore, I was expecting it to last atleast half into july

I'm glad to see some peace and quiet

[flat moat]

We are under Kanly peace rn

[vivid coral]

Kanly peace?

[jolly sky]

Give it 4 days if the signatures don't reach their goal

You'd better hunker down

[vivid coral]

Fair, but I'll take a little bit of peace when it exists

[earnest mirage]

3 days and a month 🧐

[dire burrow]

4 weeks and 6 days*

[flat moat]

Dune's spin of areas of neutrality during a war where no conflict takes place

[tight bramble]

3 dollars and 2 quarters

[vivid coral]

Ah, haven't learned much about the dune universe, I google it and I makes me really interested in the universe

[flat moat]

First book is really cheap on amazon if you have a kindle iirc

good read

[vivid coral]

Will keep that in mind

[flat moat]

Gets pretty weird after some point tho

[jolly sky]

Oh yea, we're in June not July

Forgive me I am a chronomancer and the concept of months eludes me

[earnest mirage]

you're welcome. You have another month this year now 😄

[kindred holly]

I'm gonna have to steal that quote. Thanks.

[tight bramble]

So I saw potion craft got a huge update

[sleek seal]

You seem to have not learned anything from all the other broad legislation
It will absolutely be a monkey paw moment.

[exotic swallow]

Oh we're doing this again today?

[indigo wadi]

You have the option to not respond

[dusky grove]

Lets not stoke the embers any further than we already have

[hasty grail]

@sleek seal did that coffee kick in yet? or not yet

[hasty grail]

could also be discord being weird in terms of WHEN is currently shown

[dusky grove]

True, sometimes when I have internet issues, messages I sent hours ago only get sent when it stabilizes again

[sleek seal]

well, sorry for not being terminally on Discord

[sleek seal]

kinda? I'm still up, but a bit sleepy, so 50/50?

[sand solstice]

Ultramarines suck eggs
Salamanders are the best

[edgy oar]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-for-the-emperor-into-the-fires-of-battle-warhammer-40k-join-me-brother-gif-17902993242544165360

Goated Salamanders

[indigo wadi]

fair point

[edgy oar]

I AM SO MAD the only Salamander set in Space Marine 2 is for the Sniper class.

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/rhea-ripley-rbea-ripey-pin-rhea-wwe-gif-26041622

[fluid dome]

https://tenor.com/view/randy-knock-out-gif-20264346

[tight bramble]

What about space sharks?

[vivid maple]

please dont make it biker mice that come from mars

[tight bramble]

I don't understand the reference

[vivid maple]

then you didnt experience saturday mornings in the 1990s

[tight bramble]

I did. But I was more rugrats and hey Arnold and stuff.

[indigo wadi]

I'd rather Street Sharks

[tight bramble]

Jaw-some!!

[tight bramble]

I had the vhs lol

[indigo wadi]

or SWAT Cats

[vivid maple]

or the REAL ghostbusters

[indigo wadi]

or maybe

EXTREME Dinosaurs

[vivid maple]

or super human samurai cyber squad

[indigo wadi]

nah nah

the best one yet

https://tenor.com/view/bucky-90s-o-hare-bunny-rabbit-gif-11050676

[vivid maple]

or tatooed teenagers from beverly hills

[tight bramble]

I mean I remember OG toonami. I was born in 1990 so that could be a point of reference.

[vivid maple]

oh the old tom saga?

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-planet-planet-captain-planet-and-the-planeteers-you-gif-1427223306998292645

[tight bramble]

Yeah 🙂

[indigo wadi]

roflma, Cheadle

[vivid maple]

oh god i got another one

action cats

[indigo wadi]

haha

[tight bramble]

Gargoyles

[indigo wadi]

YES

[tight bramble]

And thundercats. I have the first season on DVD somewhere lol

[vivid maple]

REBOOT

[indigo wadi]

no lie

Reboot made me think thats how the insdie of a computer was

[tight bramble]

Say it with yo chest! Love that show

[vivid maple]

DUCKTALES

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/beast-wars-transformers-gif-20704276

[tight bramble]

I had the Optimus toy!!! Hahahaha

[vivid maple]

oh sheep i forgot that one

beast machines

[indigo wadi]

I legit cried over Dinobot

[indigo wadi]

wasn't as good

[vivid maple]

what about armada

[tight bramble]

I can actively feel my neck and lower back starting to hurt thinking about this.....

[vivid maple]

OH FUDGE

XMEN

[indigo wadi]

btw

xmen '97

excellent

do watch

[vivid maple]

i watched the entirety of it

im just waiting to see if they go further with the story

[tight bramble]

TO ME MY XMEN!! they finally did Scott justice

[indigo wadi]

my understanding is yes

[vivid maple]

that last episode was a total cliffhanger

[indigo wadi]

Yes it was

[vivid maple]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-wing-duck-letsgetdangerous-daffyduck-gif-8875670

[tight bramble]

Along that line, there was a batman themed chipmunk show...I think. I remember it happening.....

[vivid maple]

you talking about chip & dale

[tight bramble]

Boom

[vivid maple]

wtf

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-eating-hungry-garfield-starving-gif-20924455

dont forget him

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/heathcliff-cat-walking-gif-18664962

[vivid maple]

oh dont forget dinosaurs

[tight bramble]

Getting good nostalgia before work

[indigo wadi]

not the momma

[vivid maple]

https://tenor.com/view/neneconsentido-bat-hit-ow-baby-gif-9128463862615162802

https://tenor.com/view/talespin-cartoon-retro-90s-cartoon-bear-gif-14461465

also dont forget the 90s spiderman

[indigo wadi]

YES

[fluid dome]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-you-cant-escape-ill-chase-you-to-the-ends-of-the-earth-gif-16027185

[indigo wadi]

htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-55ZnCcNIs

[worthy ivy]

I know that guy... who is?

[worthy ivy]

heathcliff!!! of course

[white mica]

i like how i just instantly knew who it was too

[indigo wadi]

the original garfield

[worthy ivy]

surely not? Garfield is older than me

isn't he?

hang on

[indigo wadi]

ah yeah, garfield is older

[worthy ivy]

yeah, I'm younger than garfield - he's '76 and I'm an Orwell baby

[tight bramble]

Here's an old cat

[indigo wadi]

felix

[worthy ivy]

early disney?

has that swagger

[tight bramble]

1919 silent film era

[worthy ivy]

pre-disney by a way then - they totally ripped their early style from post-war silent stuff 🙂

TIL

[indigo wadi]

back before copyright laws were a thing

[worthy ivy]

didn't they lobby for most of them?

[indigo wadi]

oh wait

1710!

wow

[tight bramble]

Felix was a decade before steamboat Willie. He's OLD old lol

[worthy ivy]

makes sense - peeps be printing books by then

as DJ I have a tenous relationship with copyright - I have the implied licence to play records that I own on decks in a live setting (DJ plays records by definition) but as soon as I monetize anything I bump into copyright issues up the wazoo - and don't get me started on youtube's copyright system for audio

law hasn't kept up with modern tech - under digital DJ rules I have to keep all my digital tracks on one hard drive

how does that supposed to work with two CDJs?

aaaaaaagh! 🙂

[ripe minnow]

can't partition the drive for Different CDJ's setting up songs for each one; I'm assuming it's a max of two

[mental wasp]

is this where i go to ask about stop killing games?

[indigo wadi]

sigh

yes

unless you go to the skg website

[mental wasp]

what does thor believe?

someone was telling me he misrepresented it

[indigo wadi]

he has 2 videos, you can go watch them

[teal zodiac]

He looks so cute and chill

[worthy ivy]

maybe? but I'd need a usb wire that went from a single flat-style USB to two standard USB plugs - can you split a USB without a hub?
no-one really gives a crap as long as the venue is paying PRS, but if the dibble want to shut an event down they can for a violation of the digital DJ shit - and noone wants to be the excuse for the dibble to dibble

[indigo wadi]

yee

[teal zodiac]

is he like hyper chaotic? just saw him taking a car out of his bag

[indigo wadi]

he's a cartoon cat. He's wacky

[mental wasp]

Those videos don't really answer my question is Thor against laws that require end of life plans to allow owners of the game to continue playing games they have purchased with their own support and servers rather than the support of the original developer?

[indigo wadi]

Thos is for the spirit of SKG, but against it's current wording of the initiative.

[mental wasp]

I'm not asking about skg anymore

[indigo wadi]

??

[mental wasp]

I'm asking is Thor against laws that require end of life plans to allow owners of the game to continue playing games they have purchased with their own support and servers rather than the support of the original developer?

[indigo wadi]

There are no current laws like that.

[white mica]

^

[mental wasp]

Ok

Bananas are yellow.

[indigo wadi]

okay?

[mental wasp]

Is Thor against laws that require end of life plans to allow owners of the game to continue playing games they have purchased with their own support and servers rather than the support of the original developer?

[indigo wadi]

There are no current laws like that.

[mental wasp]

Do you see how that doesn't have anything to do with the question?

[indigo wadi]

It does because you cannot be against something that doesn't exist.

[white mica]

i think your the one not understanding the answer

[flat moat]

Repeating the same question doesn't always lead to a different response

[indigo wadi]

The Initiative aimed at starting a conversation about having those kinds of laws in place.

As there are currently none.

[mental wasp]

I'm actually speechless

[indigo wadi]

About?

[white mica]

probably about them not getting the answer they want

[indigo wadi]

i'm unsure of what kind of an answer you were expecting to get since those laws do not currently exist

[unkempt mason]

Do you mean is Thor against the proposition of those kinds of laws? If so, I don't believe so. Right now, he doesn't agree with how poorly worded the initiative is. It leaves too much up to interpretation, and can cause significant issues for current and future game developers, AAA or indie.

[mental wasp]

Would you like to stop intentionally misinterpretting my question?

[ocean agate]

maybe they expected to get yelled at and/or banned by now and are unsure how to proceed?

[indigo wadi]

I'm not. You're asking about current laws that are not in existance.

[white mica]

we are not, you are just not accepting of our answer, YOU CANNOT BE FOR OR AGAINST SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST

[indigo wadi]

There are no laws currently active that pertain to end of life for video games.

[rough maple]

I'll try to answer.

The laws in question do not exist, so it's difficult to say if one would be "for" or "against".
However, in the hypotesis that these laws might exist, it would imply that, as Thor said, that the developers should surrender the ownership of their own intellectual property.

No indie dev would do that, because that would mean to them losing their livelihood and someone potentially gaining money from their hard work.

Since Thor tries to be on the side of devs, I find hard to believe he'd be in favor of something like this.

[mental wasp]

I am speechless that none of you were able to come to the conclusion that I am implying hypothetical laws and instead would rather pretend like you don't even understand what I am saying because they don't currently exist.

[upper zephyr]

We can only answer for ourselves. Thor is not here.

[indigo wadi]

That is not what you proposed. You asked about current laws, not hypothetical laws.

[white mica]

^

[upper zephyr]

And the laws, could be well written but honestly I doubt they could be.

[indigo wadi]

Perhaps better wording of your question would be the better route.

[median hornet]

Even in the sense of hypotheticals they answered. Read the answers, probably

[white mica]

imagine the law is literally "if: game = end; game IS perserved" like code or something

[unkempt mason]

You could have simply said hypothetical. It is not our fault that we didn't read between the lines.

[flat moat]

It's the matter of the phrasing of the question.

You asked if Thor is against such laws, inferring they already exist

[indigo wadi]

and I'm certainly not going to try and guess what you are asking about if you are intending on asking something different than what you asked.

[unkempt mason]

Don't blame us for your poor wording choice. Say what you mean.

[upper zephyr]

In America at least I think the only solution to skg and other types of consumer rights would be in an admendment to the constitution, because the constitution is responsible for granting rights to people, laws deal less with granting rights and more with how to apply the rights given in the constitution

[mental wasp]

"Is Thor against laws that require end of life plans..." "Is Thor against people stealing from him?" "Is Thor against people throwing chickens at him?"

[median hornet]

Furthermore, that seems like a question for Thor, which you can probably get an answer for through his tweets and videos. We aren't Thor

[hardy ingot]

Ah yes, "radio silent"
https://youtu.be/p9ahH6HrtTc?si=nTTYJ0u6EenYP9i4&t=1270

[indigo wadi]

That depends entirely on how said laws would be written.

[mental wasp]

Okay too many people typing now give me a sec to read this

[white mica]

anyone got a TLDR on this video

[unkempt mason]

They had ten months to say something. Almost an entire year to talk to the community and to Thor. He was being stinky.

[hardy ingot]

I was more on about the timestamp
"What has the dev side of the matter been like?"
"Radio silent."

[white mica]

oh

[median hornet]

Well now that would be irresponsible to the full context :3

[indigo wadi]

cause Ross never asked?

[hardy ingot]

I just find the comment "radio silent" hilarious when the moment Thor spoke out about it it apparently became a problem and the aftermath was anything but radio silence 😄

[indigo wadi]

roflmao true

[mental wasp]

Thank you for your answer. I know none of you are Thor, but I figure people in his discord will know what his stance is and that's why I asked.

[indigo wadi]

We cannot know his stance on a law that doesn't exist since it's wording does not exist.

[ocean agate]

we only know what he has said, but we are not parrots

[unkempt mason]

Np.

[indigo wadi]

The only stance we know of, is what he commented on based on the wording of the initiative, which is not a current law.

[upper zephyr]

Thor might be a little pedantic when it comes to laws. Just a tad. He always has creative interpretations as well to make them work for him. Which some people call bending the law.

[hardy ingot]

You have to be pedantic about law because if you fk up with law, it's going to hurt so many people and projects

[mental wasp]

I actually am more interested in how Myke is still going

[indigo wadi]

I think you have to be when it comes to potential law

[flat moat]

Anyhow, as long as the IP and copyrights are protected, I'm sure there can be a middle ground that can be reached with EOL patches but there'd need to be strict requirements and qualifications.

With an EOL patch, you have to consider the configs made on servers, clients, codes etc and the fiscal requirements. IMO, currently and prior released games should not be affected, EU should only affect EU based games etc

Thor definitely would not support a game that is having to shut down alongside it's studio having to dish out a patch when there's no money to do so

[indigo wadi]

Been at this 3 days mate.

[upper zephyr]

I agree

[median hornet]

Jesus

[flat moat]

You've been here since August! You are one of us lol

[mental wasp]

Yeah I joined to play the new wow expansion :)

I saw his playthrough of outer wilds and saw he played wow

[flat moat]

Did you enjoy it? I saw it was quite cool but wasn't really feeling like spending on a new monthly sub

[mental wasp]

Retail is just nostalgia for me and I know it but I like to play around the holidays when i can

[median hornet]

A lot of us are similar. I haven't watched a Thor stream in 2 years besides the one when Helldivers came back like last week. I talk to people in here, but I know jack about Thor generally anymore.

[mental wasp]

i had every anniversary achievement since the 8th and i missed the 22nd because of a man

[indigo wadi]

Me at 272 stream streak

[flat moat]

I usually listen to his stream in the background when I'm working. Good white noise when wfh

[mental wasp]

I like the way he explains things

[flat moat]

Been roughly 2 years now

[mental wasp]

with the white board i literally need that like snap your fingers at me to keep my attention

[median hornet]

This is BuffPup for me lol

[kindred holly]

I used to fall asleep listening to him working on Block Game (I think, it's the Minecraft mod he's been working on) and I think Heartbound, but that was about a year ago when I was going through a rough time.

[mental wasp]

i gots to go cook sorry yall thanks for the nice company :)

[flat moat]

It's the perfect teaching tool, and his voice doesn't drown out

[median hornet]

I generally don't devote much of my time to content creators :p

[still jungle]

same, I can't do it anymore

[flat moat]

Enjoy! let us know what you making

Must be a food chat around here

[still jungle]

How about curry ramen noodles

What I'm eating rn

[flat moat]

Very nice

[unkempt mason]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-pay-attention-jingle-jangle-keys-stay-focused-gif-16444560332377381780

[still jungle]

ADHD fr

[kindred holly]

Me: "Shirking responsibilities because of procrastination? Don't mind if I do!"

[still jungle]

Sorry, my schedule isn't open, I have my time made out for :absolutely nothing:

[hasty grail]

speaking of food, i might have to throw away some takeout i got

[kindred holly]

looks at the pile of crap I have to do after my day job

I'll pretend that doesn't exist.

[hasty grail]

when down and now its out

[still jungle]

Undiagnosed ADHD was truly not fun until I got that figured out tbh

[hasty grail]

not fun, when you spend the first half of the week trying to recover from a headcold

[indigo wadi]

me, forgetting I had ADHD for 17 years

[kindred holly]

I- How?

[still jungle]

Me not getting it figured out for 23~ years

[indigo wadi]

Got caught up with what society expected of me that I just...forgot

[kindred holly]

Ah, gotcha

[still jungle]

Love getting crushed by societal expectations.

[indigo wadi]

oh ya, totally fun

[still jungle]

relatable

[indigo wadi]

okay video calm down roflmao

[kindred holly]

Youtube: "You got depression?" doubles down on it with doomer videos

[strange dagger]

I've been kindly refered to this chat for mentioning sensitive topics of any kind

Is the term Dr K a bad one or not?

[ocean agate]

reminds me of the "16 and this is deep" bs wave....or is that still a thing

[indigo wadi]

Dr K is fine

[dull fog]

I was deadass just about to ask how we feel about Dr K in here

beat me to it

[indigo wadi]

I've no idea

[strange dagger]

I feel great about drK personally

I just watched half of the interview today

And I must say, I deeply empathise with Thor at times

Like, from second one it's clear there's a thing going on

[strange dagger]

And dr K does a great job at navigating it, choosing the 'angle of attack', and (at the point where I am) choosing not to actually point out 9/10 things

I would sooo buckle and start pointing out every little thing, but it took me like 30 mins to realise why that doesn't work, and it's completely unreasonable to expect that someone who has had a quality (even if it actively brings them bad) for their whole life, will change that aspect of themselves and their orientation just because someone else can perfectly explain what is 'wrong/unfit' and why

[spice crow]

I was told to come here for spiced tacos

I dont see them

[strange dagger]

Lol

[spice crow]

Im disappointed in yall

damn

[strange dagger]

What qualifies as a spiced taco

[spice crow]

chorizo woulda sufficed

[ocean agate]

what do you seek?

[spice crow]

spiced tacos

[strange dagger]

The appointment has been dis

[spice crow]

the only thing thats true

im making tacos rn anyways

[strange dagger]

I'm really happy for you

I wish you the tacoest of tacos today

[ocean agate]

i fear i have nothing to offer atm

[spice crow]

well damn

till next time my friend

[vivid maple]

sems now thor is being compared to grummz

[indigo wadi]

roflmao, unreal

[vivid maple]

cause apparently they worked on the same game at one point

[granite robin]

lowkey we should kill games 🔥

0/10 bait

[flat moat]

Yeah, should just sacrifice them instead of goats in order to control the stock market

[vivid maple]

we should just let the industry crash

just dont buy new games

emulate and pirate everything

[jolly sky]

So not only is there an obvious large group of people that will find any excuse to hop onto any reason to hate Thor, but;

I feel like there is also a large group of people that refuse to listen to experience, and think that everything will be "easy"

[indigo wadi]

Yup

[vivid maple]

thats a really great point on this all

meanwhile im just doing my best to stay neutral on the matter

[flat moat]

"Surely as some techno wizard dev, all you'd need to do is make the keyboard go clickity clackity for five minutes in order to do something as simple as turn your 10 year old project with thousands of backends into something I can run on my dirty first gen chromebook?"

[jolly sky]

"Expert Denial" is a real thing, and is having a far larger impact on things far outside just video games

[ocean agate]

dont forget about the portion that gets involved in everything and just wants to stir the pot as fast as they can to see how much shit flys out

[vivid maple]

you talking about like the grifters

[jolly sky]

Looks at vaccines and general healthcare for example. There are a disturbing amount of people that think they know better than actual experts in the field

[vivid maple]

oh the antivaxxers that love to kill their own kids

[ocean agate]

idk what they are called i just know its people who dont care about the cause or the outcome but just how much drama they can make

[jolly sky]

Anti vaxxers, flat earther etc

[indigo wadi]

it doesn't help that some "experts" spread misinfomration and even though it gets debunked, people don't listen when said expert gets debunked

[jolly sky]

I wont go any further as that can sadly lead into Politics

[indigo wadi]

I bet the mods ears are burning

[jolly sky]

Not that I'm sad that we can't discuss that, I'm just sad that it reaches into politics at all

[vivid maple]

oh god those are 2 of the dumbest types of people around

[dire burrow]

[ocean agate]

** whistles non-chalantly **

[jolly sky]

Wolp calm your nose

[thick ledge]

AAAAAAAAA

[flat moat]

There is some validity to every argument, be they edge cases or actual direct issues

[vivid maple]

but why compare thor to mark kern anyways

[flat moat]

Who is Mark Kern?

[jolly sky]

I mean, when there's a certain sect of flat earthers that think that the Live streams from Antartica were made with Unreal Engine 5, you have to completely shut down some arguments

[vivid maple]

marks games have failed big time meanwhile thors games are doing good

[vivid maple]

mark kern is grummz's irl name

[flat moat]

Oh

[flat moat]

Definitely

[jolly sky]

Yea, sadly that this is an actual belief among some people

[vivid maple]

yeah the guy that grifts a whole lot used to work for blizzard and had 2 games fail

remember that bus he bought to promote the one game?

im trying to remember the game that the bus was trying to promote

[jolly sky]

In the Antartica Live streams, they even had people reading out real time Sports results to ensure that it was happening in real time

[vivid maple]

and lemme guess

people still thought it was staged

[jolly sky]

Yuuuuuup

[vivid maple]

i vaguely remember that incident

[jolly sky]

So the Flat Earthers "Argument" was that, the entire environment around the Antarctic live stream team was simulated using Unreal Engine 5 and Raytraced Lighting/Shadows

[dire burrow]

they do realize that even raytraced lights/shadows still looks a bit off right

[vivid maple]

jesus christ thats really dumb to think

[strange dagger]

Ok I'm like not up to speed on the whole current (yesterday?) drama, is "don't kill games" genuinely a good or bad take?

[jolly sky]

They do not infact, realize that lmao

[vivid maple]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-mother-forking-shirt-balls-oh-no-shocked-emmy-nomination-the-good-place-gif-15111898

[jolly sky]

And just brought any argument that "seemed right" to their eyes

[thick ledge]

@strange dagger matter of opinion mostly

[vivid maple]

i dont think they are that smart anyways

[strange dagger]

The way 'the internet' is talking about le man Thor, I expected people in this server to have a very specific shared opinion, so that's a relief

[thick ledge]

theres somewhat a spectrum of opinion in here on the initiative itself

but everyone agrees the drama is dumb

[vivid maple]

yes ill criticize thor at times but a lot of the time he seems reasonable

[vivid maple]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-you-ain’t-kidding-kill-bill-bill-gif-14991201768329759882

[strange dagger]

Yeah, reasonable does not mean right, but it much less means wrong

[idle hill]

"Don't kill games" by itself isn't a bad take. Everybody wants to be able to keep the games they buy.

Stop Killing Games, however, is written in a way that would harm consumers and creative rights, while actively incentivising people to destroy games for profit.
The way SKG was presented, on top of all that, was in a way that says "politicians, they love easy wins, this won't impact them at all!" as if they were children. It ignores the actual problems, hoping they would be fixed through legislation

[vivid maple]

yeah he could be right one time while wrong another time. its usually a double-edged sword

[jolly sky]

So in this server, we're happy to discuss and deliberate any discussions. As long as you're not being impolite, or intentionally trolling/acting in bad faith, state your case and we're happy to talk with anyone

[strange dagger]

Yeah I feel like the more you understand it, your stance would go back and forth a couple times, from what I've heard

[jolly sky]

And so is Thor himself in this regard

[strange dagger]

I thought SKG was the wow streamer that died (in game!!!)

Everyone's like "when the SKG drama..."

[digital tangle]

Gonna be honest I joined myself to see what I could get from here and that's basically what I got. Was that yes everybody wants to stop killing games but Noone can seem to bring up how to do it in a technically feasible and profitable way which his point of contention, and I can't seem to find anyone(yet) to counter that central argument

My feed was flooded this evening for some reason lol

[hasty grail]

most of the crap ive seen is very much against thor or thinking thor doesnt understand what was written

[earnest spire]

ross video makes it seems thor doesnt understand what was written

[idle hill]

...yeah, I don't know anything about an SKG in WoW. People like to link Thor's opinion on SKG to his experience in hardcore WoW, where he ran away to save his own life rather than die in a sketchy battle with his friends or possibly even save some of them. It was taboo in the game's community, but not unreasonable.

[jolly sky]

I don't know how many other people in this server have experienced this, but I've literally had discussions with Thor, in a VC channel in this server, where we have discussed things and had different opinions of certain matters.

And neither of us got shitty, both of us stated our cases, and both of us have left with an understanding of each other positions, and even convinced each other that not is all that it seems to be.

[strange dagger]

Right, so SKG was more of sending an exaggerated message than a curated finetuned plan, comparable to hiring based on gender or ethnic minority for example?

[vivid maple]

some of it was people thinking thor was "willfully ignorant" of the whole thing

[idle hill]

Correct. I didn't want to mention DEI, but you got it anyway.

[jolly sky]

Well, neither do a lot of SKG supporters. We've literally seen it here in this channel of supporters of SKG not understanding what it wants

[indigo wadi]

It wasn't taboo because the call to run was made by 2 seperate ppl

[strange dagger]

Yeah, the youtube comments been painting a different picture, which is also why I came to check in for myself

[idle hill]

well damn, I guess Upper Echelon messed up with the explanation there. That's like the 2nd time I'd heard about the wow event but was missing details.

[hasty grail]

Thor has a stance from the perspective of a dev,

[jolly sky]

Welcome to the unknowing section of the internet

[hasty grail]

also in general when raiding, if someone says RUN you RUN until you fully reset

you dont double back halfway

[placid plover]

🍞

[idle hill]

Which was largely missing in the SKG initiative. It needed to be said, even if some people didn't like it.

[indigo wadi]

tank made a big, bad pull, the rogue called for run, followed by the tank. Thor ran and committed to it. The Rogue flipflopped and renegged the call to run, deaths ensued.

[thick ledge]

oh god please

[hasty grail]

exactly

[thick ledge]

lets not relitigate that

please please

[vivid maple]

a lot of ross' supporters didnt like thors stance

[jolly sky]

The truths don't need to be kind, they only need to be true

[strange dagger]

Yeah, I know many who would have made the same decision, and they are my friends, so that settles that one for me

[opaque zealot]

I still completely believe the reason why people blew up at him is they just assumed he was being smug and made up there minds then and there that Thor is a bad guy without doing any further reasearch

[indigo wadi]

I'm not, just giving a quick telling of what happened since info was missing

[rough maple]

Ya kno', I'm probably gonna sound a little extreme (in fact, just in case, I hope mods are ready to delete this message if things go south) but the behavior of several (not all of them) SKG supporters is scarily similar to the anti-vax movement, just with a different topic.

[hasty grail]

exactly

[placid plover]

Im not gonna add anything to this because I dont feel like it, but what I will say is that baguettes are pretty dang good

[hasty grail]

if you are coming to this thinking thor is in the wrong then its going to be a lot harder to have an honest convo about it

[subtle violet]

Y'know what? I agree with that.

[opaque zealot]

To be fair, I think Thor could of handled it better but its also got to be a nightmare when you have such a large section of the internet coming down on you like that. I couldn't do it

[hasty grail]

bunker down and wait

[placid plover]

🥖

[jolly sky]

Lets just put it as simple as possible.

SKG wants a lot of things, and there's a lot of things that we as a community can agree on, including Thor.

But the Initiative failed to account for the vast amount of currently existing laws, and the complexity of game development, both from a AAA perspective, all the way down to the indie developer.

[strange dagger]

I'm assuming it makes a massive difference for Thor to (especially in these circumstances) state his opinion in a voice chat, or on stream with an infinitely judgemental audience

[opaque zealot]

Yeah, probably the safest reaction

[hasty grail]

its giving people ammunition but at the same time if you are in a bunker, thats not going to do much

[subtle violet]

Olive oil (robust), balsamic vinegar, onion powder, and garlic powder = baguette dip

[idle hill]

Thor's been handling it pretty well lately, aside from getting a bit heated halfway through the stream today I feel
But to be fair people were egging him on through the whole thing, saying dumb shit thinking they could get away with it

[placid plover]

gonna save this for whenever I make bread again. So thanks!

[idle hill]

I dont know if thats even the right application of the term but hey

[vivid maple]

so i missed the stream today cause i was at work?

[opaque zealot]

Yeah... its shifted my view on quite a few creators honestly. I think they haven't done their due diligence before casting judgement

[hasty grail]

more dune, thor hates the update for pvp reasons, and more trolls getting banned

[subtle violet]

The ratios are to your own taste, but it should total about a cup

[hasty grail]

as the tldr

[subtle violet]

Rosemary is another good add on if you have some around

[placid plover]

👍

[jolly sky]

It certainly helps, and the things that me (and many others) talked about with Thor in a capped 30 person voice channel is substantially less than 6 thousand + people @ ing him in his own stream

[tight bramble]

I'm new to the community. Been here for a few days now, but I've been a fan of Thors for about a year and half. I just never got into the discord. Now that I have, genuinely, I actually feel like im part of something again. I haven't felt this way since I first enlisted back in 2008. I don't have many friends irl as I am a very stubborn person, and I strongly believe in doing the right thing simply because it's the right thing to do. I hate bullies, and it makes me so frustrated when people go out of their way to not use common sense and critical thinking. Because of my service, and my childhood, I pre plan everything I do, every conversation that I have, every dollar I spend. I suffer massively from the paradox of choice and from buyers remorse. So when I say that I don't regret joining this community at all, or dropping a ton of money in donations and gifted memberships (im on yt), I hope that has some weight. I plan on dropping a big present to Thor tonight on stream, just to show my support in a big way. You can disagree with someone when it comes to something that both of you are passionate about, but don't stoop down to attacks. Thor doesn't deserve that. As such, im going to do my part to help offset things.

[hasty grail]

is thor stubborn? yes, do some of his opinions come off a bit rough? yes
should you dox anyone? NO

the end

[strange dagger]

Wait I'm very new, is the dark sider heart a bad thing in the game?

[indigo wadi]

Thor helped me navigate when I was in a dark, negative mental place last year.

[jolly sky]

Lmao no, just a Heartbound related Lore-based role

[idle hill]

idk but it's a heart emote so I click

[brisk sparrow]

well, ingame its 2 different paths you can take

[strange dagger]

Yeah I just added it to complete the heart, but realised it might have negative connotation

[thick ledge]

nah its not that deep

heart is a heart

[jolly sky]

I just want to say that dropping a present on Thor is never necessary, being here and interacting with the community, or even just being polite is more than enough

Never feel as thought you have to provide anything for him. Of course if you want to, go for it. Just don't feel pressured to. He would hate that.

[indigo wadi]

heart is a butt

[tight bramble]

I have walked the plains of tartarus that is my own mind. I hope to never feel it's cold soil again. Stay strong, and im here if anyone needs a person to vent to.

[brisk sparrow]

thor would rather you dont sub if you need to save money

[indigo wadi]

I'm in a much better spot now, but ty

[idle hill]

I only got interested in making my own game because of Thor
Well, I at least have some direction in where to go
I've been wanting to do something more than just draw since I was a kid and Thor's motivational segments were a huge push to create something bigger

[tight bramble]

I dont. I want to.

[subtle violet]

Thor continues to help me stay positive in a very challenging period of my life. His streams and the community are all I have that's backing me up right now

So thank you

[opaque zealot]

I just really appreciate how much Thor encourages his audience to think critically which has really helped me wake up out of a funk i've been in for the past 8 years

[subtle violet]

I cannot afford such kindness yet

[jolly sky]

Then by all means, feel free if that is your true personal desire.

[hasty grail]

if you have walked the path of a headcold into food poisoning, please tell me how to get out
this week is rough on my body already

[indigo wadi]

is it a wig?

[tight bramble]

I'm in a good spot financially. My job pays me more than I need and I have sound judgement as far as I can tell. This is something I want to do.

[tight bramble]

Will you wear wigs?

[indigo wadi]

when will YOU wear wigs?

[tight bramble]

I have no hair most of the time so it might be time for that lol

[indigo wadi]

the wig comes for us all

[jolly sky]

Then God speed Helldiver soldier, if this is what you want to do, and are doing that entirely from yourself, all the power to you.

[indigo wadi]

it too, will come for thor

[strange dagger]

I think the dr K video I'm watching highlights a core part of Thors personality, one that I understand very well but has given me so much real problems in my own life, and all I say I want to do is change it, but all I want is have nobody call me out on it.

[strange dagger]

Ehm

yes

[subtle violet]

I know someone that sells em, just in case ya need em

You never know

[indigo wadi]

i buzz my hair regularly, i'm good 😄

[subtle violet]

Growing mine out from an undercut, cannot relate

[strange dagger]

ven vil you vear vigs?

[jolly sky]

I'm glad that Thor went on Dr.K. Not only for himself, but for other people in this community that did not know about Dr.K and sheer amount of knowledge and experience he has at his disposal

[indigo wadi]

and a reminder that Dr. K used to be a Monk

[brisk sparrow]

This man is banned from my room for committing bed crimes

[indigo wadi]

HOW?! WITH THAT MEOW?!

[strange dagger]

Yes, the amount of people that are hardwired to not understand this concept that dr K is talking about for three hours I think is much much higher than I expected it to be. And for those people to avoid the occasional inexpliccable misery or at least understand it, I'm very glad dr K is here

[tight bramble]

-Cackling laughter that peaks the audio-

[subtle violet]

I can house them overnight

[strange dagger]

One of the greatest bits of sound ever recorded

[brisk sparrow]

Can’t excuse peeing on the bed personally

[indigo wadi]

Ven vil you vear vigs done in the style of "What if God was One of us"

[subtle violet]

that's fair. meow is cute doe

[teal zodiac]

My friends, sorry to interrupt any on going topic but i just wanna share that i passed the whole day and didnt play a single match of League of Legends. This is a huge win

[indigo wadi]

then clean the litter box more

[indigo wadi]

good

[subtle violet]

It's not midnight yet, do not celebrate too early

[teal zodiac]

its all good, self control is totally in check

[brisk sparrow]

It was being cleaned. He would do it again without hesitation.

[tight bramble]

That gives you time to look up lucha underground lol

[indigo wadi]

clean it faster

[subtle violet]

I trust you

[brisk sparrow]

He’s also the definition of a scaredy cat

[brisk sparrow]

He never did it to anyone else in my household

[teal zodiac]

....nevermind....

[jolly sky]

Dr.K has a very rare thing, in that he has Western Harvard training and experience, and Eastern "esoteric" experience and experience.

Some of the things that the Eastern Yogi's discovered 1000's of years ago through their own methods about the human mind have only recently been discovered through the Western scientific methods, and there is yet more to uncover.

[teal zodiac]

bad ending

[indigo wadi]

ALT-F4 RIGHT NOW

[brisk sparrow]

(He’s scared of laser pointers)

[strange dagger]

I'm really glad this video exists. Thor is in the best way an almost ideal depiction of the kind of person we're learning about here. I've done about 5 years of therapy from 12y/o and I'm a big smort, and I very deeply understand the way Thor is feeling during this conversation (I think), but even I'm struggling to not judge half the time too.

[jolly sky]

And through Dr.K's experience, he does a good job at mixing both the Western and Eastern understandings together

[brisk sparrow]

Actually better story. He woke up from a nap, turned around, and got scared by my shoe that had not moved since before he started his nap

[jolly sky]

Granted, Dr.K does delve into some areas that are hard to understand from a scientific perspective, but if you're able to parse through it, it starts to make a LOT of sense

And even when he talks about pure western scientific stuff, the people who are scientifically inclined tend to get confused as well

Because its very complicated

[subtle violet]

Have you calmed him down and sweet talked him a bit? Sometimes that helps skittish cats

[strange dagger]

I've heard the combination of these two sciences from Terrence mcKenna the first time, in a yt video on his best speeches.

[weak spindle]

Feel very happy from hearing Thor say fallout new vegas is a good game :)

I just love that game so much

[brisk sparrow]

We’ve tried for 2 years

[indigo wadi]

you'll find very few that sy it isn't

[subtle violet]

Have you tried pheromones? I was told they help sometimes

[teal zodiac]

im trying, im trying!! but that made me accidentally pick Teemo

[jolly sky]

Sadly there seems to be a fundamental disconnect between the two areas, but both could learn a LOT from each other, which is something I think Dr.K touches upon and does a good job at making a bridge between them

[strange dagger]

Terrence mcKenna has a terribly interesting podcast (I believe it's the first podcast ever) about a wide range of topics, I can definitely recommend. He died in '99 tho, so you can't hit him up anymore

[strange dagger]

It's a beautiful fantasy to imagine the two perfectly intertwined though

I choose to believe in the 64 elements, just cause I can't be bothered to question it and haven't heard a better explanation

[jolly sky]

It would be nice, but I think it will take a lot of time to try and disconnect the idea that the Eastern Yogi's had more insight about the human mind than people are willing to admit, and not just disregard as "Woo-woo" stuff

[earnest cove]

Dr. K is a blessing because otherwise all that psychological knowledge is locked behind 500 bucks per session.

[weak spindle]

I love when people like my favorite games idk

[jolly sky]

And he willingly teaches his understandings to a group of people as well

[earnest cove]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQZ0682iy0 i just want to vent a bit that people are perpetuating the lie that Thor is a liar

[earnest cove]

It's amazing. My local sessions stop working or just fail i think ill sign up for hix healthy gamet courses

[strange dagger]

I like to think about the brain to be a collection of 64D vectors representing experiences. An axis could describe an emotion, value, or belief for example. This way I respect the 64 they came up with in the Ching, but keep it a 'scientific' model

[subtle violet]

Dumb people gonna dumb

[earnest cove]

Mass induced dumbness

[subtle violet]

Basically

[strange dagger]

It will be very hard for that idea to reach masses yes, it probably can't be taught in schools anytime soon

[jolly sky]

And the people he teaches his understandings to are also available to book sessions with, and are far more accessible from a monetary and sheer availability standpoint than a lot of other services.

And thats not even mentioning the insane amount of work he (and I assume a team around him) have but into his guides, which are a one-time purchase

[indigo wadi]

THEY can't stop lying. fixed it.

[jolly sky]

So this may get a bit esoteric for some people outside of our back and forth, but I feel that there is a consciousness above our own brain that has an uncountable amount of possibility and belief in, and have the ability to change.

To put it more simply, if the idea if "Me" was entirely within our own brain, then "changing our mind" shouldn't be possible, right?

Because if the idea of "You" entirely exists within your own brain, then it would be impossible to change yourself

[strange dagger]

When you say a consciousness above our own brain, do you mean 1 cons per 1 brain?

[jolly sky]

As Dr.K puts it, he thinks that there is the idea of "You" that exists "above", or seperate of your own mind

[strange dagger]

That makes sense as far as "exists within" has to mean "is ordered and stable"

[jolly sky]

It's like someone who has lived an entire life a certain way, and one day they decide "Screw it, I don't want to be this way anymore"

If the idea of "You" is entirely within your own mind, then even that thought of changing shouldn't be possible

[strange dagger]

A mix of two chemicals can exist within a sealed jar, but shaking the jar (while keeping it closed) can make it explode

[strange dagger]

Oh yeah, but how often do you see that happen? Without a major event, that is

[indigo wadi]

I lived a co-dependent life for 15 years before I went "enough is enough"

[jolly sky]

The way Dr.K puts it, is simply a matter of awareness. If you aren't aware of that, then you're not going to enact on it, right?

And he not only thinks that, but has also used that in his professional settings, to help with Addiction Psychology, which is his main area of focus, and has seen positive results

[versed geyser]

I have some controversial questions to ask.

[strange dagger]

If you lose a partner to an overdose, or raise your kids alone while your partner is in jail, or you can't raise your kids because you are in jail, that's the kind of canon event I would compare to shaking the jar

[strange dagger]

Absolutely, that's one of the reasons I'm still going to therapy too, I want someone to tell me something new about myself

[strange dagger]

Gas/air mix becomes explosive at the right ratio

Too much and it burns slowly, too little and it's gone in a second

[versed geyser]

regarding SKG:

Seriously.

when is it okay to ask my cat to not sit on my stomach in bed, and how do I go about it? he's very affectionate but sometimes too playful and will then go into instinct mode and bite me like he's changed personalities. I know he loves me deeply but I feel he has SPD.. anyway.

#stopkindgoodmornings

[strange dagger]

Burning slowly might be assisted by substance

[versed geyser]

hey fun fact: diesel isn't flammable

[strange dagger]

It does when you, yah, you know :)

[versed geyser]

when WHAT

[strange dagger]

But that is indeed a fun fact, granted

[versed geyser]

you're welcome

[strange dagger]

When you spray it into mist

Wait, does combustion = flammable? Surely it does right

It's just a flame speedrun

[versed geyser]

not necessarily

[jolly sky]

I cannot and will not say anything on behalf of Dr.K, and nor do I wish to do, but an idea I have from his videos and teachings is that personally feel that "Major events" can forcibly put you in touch with the "You" that is outside of your mind. Your true self. And at those moments you are at the point where you can truly change your actions or behaviour, or ignore it.

[ocean agate]

flour explodes when its thin enough in the air

[versed geyser]

someone's watching Baki

[ocean agate]

nani?

[strange dagger]

Catches fire, I thought

[versed geyser]

like seriously mate

[ocean agate]

had to look up Baki....do you mean Baki the grappler, never heard of it till now

i dont have netflix

[strange dagger]

Another thing that forcibly puts you in touch with at least a version of you, and I mean this in a non comical way, is alcohol and many other substances

[versed geyser]

yeah it's okay. a bit over the top but decent action

[versed geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/kenshiro-fist-of-the-north-star-gif-27338533

[jolly sky]

Understanding a cats behaviour and instincts is the key part of owning a cat. You are a source of comfort and safety to your cat, therefore it sees that as "the right place to be"

[teal zodiac]

It's like Jojo, you can put on any episode without knowing anything and you will have a wonderful time

[versed geyser]

is this channel any better than #general_chat

[hasty grail]

given that most of us have been arguing over the other SKG, its a breath of fresh air

[versed geyser]

I'm not the right place to bite though

[ocean agate]

jojo looked to out there for me to watch so i never did

[kindred holly]

Wait, #general_chat is worse with talking about SKG compared to here? How?!

[versed geyser]

there's another SKG? or you mean each other? what's #general_chat usually like? it scrolls way too fast for me

[strange dagger]

Weird, I was sent here on mention of drama

[versed geyser]

brb checking out general

[teal zodiac]

Who is DrK? many of the things i can see here about him looks pretty interesting

[jolly sky]

No true, but a cats personality is fickle and can change on a dime. I'd take a bet that if you did nothing at all whatsoever while your cat is sitting on you, it would fall asleep.

[strange dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/live/7jDPsBh2AyQ

[teal zodiac]

hmmm i honestly dont know what that means

[ocean agate]

did you know you can right click a channel and set it to favorite and it will create a spot at the top of the list of channels and put all your favorites

i keep general, stream, ferret right next to eachother

[strange dagger]

Woheow

[frozen nimbus]

?

[jolly sky]

A Western Harvard trained and professionally experienced psychologist, but also has a large amount of experience in the Eastern "esoteric" methodologies.

[frozen nimbus]

Videos unavailable rn lol, is that Josh?

[strange dagger]

"Who is dr K" > dis guy is dr K

[frozen nimbus]

Oooh dr k

I remember seeing their name, don't really know them

[strange dagger]

Unavailable? Is it region blocked?

[frozen nimbus]

Idk

Gonna just watch when I get home

[ocean agate]

i hate region blocks

[strange dagger]

(He's an) Excellent dude

[frozen nimbus]

??

[ocean agate]

i dont use VPNs but i wanna watch Summer Wars, but its unavailable

[jolly sky]

He's* an excellent dude

[frozen nimbus]

Oh lol

[jolly sky]

Dr.K that is

There it is

[strange dagger]

Yeah I realised it looked like "Excellent, dude. And your dog and ur mom and sister too", mb

[versed geyser]

use proton VPN

it's free

btw I'm back and #general_chat is chaotic

[strange dagger]

"Just watch", I feel obligated to let you know

[jolly sky]

To go back to this, I won't go too far into this (as per the server rules) but I do feel that it helps break down the barriers, but still enables a few of its own barriers of its own that are hard to understand in a Not Sober state of mind

[exotic forge]

It's a shame there probably won't be a good avenue for both parties to express their opinions in good faith. I don't blame Thor for refusing to go into a show where his argument isn't going to get a fair shake

[frozen nimbus]

😭

-# could you maybe summerize

[strange dagger]

Thor bad, but everyone bad, so lesson good

[opaque raven]

Make a challenge
Summarize in 4 words

[indigo wadi]

DrK teach thor socialize

[strange dagger]

we bad, thor too

[strange dagger]

Noooooo🤣

[hasty grail]

making fun of your variant of SKG

[jolly sky]

The subjects that Dr.K goes into, require a level of time to understand. It's impossible to truly grasp what he's talking about in a short time.

[strange dagger]

Still enables as in, makes them stronger?

[hasty grail]

well, poking fun at it

[indigo wadi]

Thats one of the big points Dr.K hits on his how Thor presents himself to others online and from that, why the internet crowd typically doesn't like him (at least from what I drew of it)

[versed geyser]

yeah my initiative is awful. I like good morning

[opaque raven]

I'm gonna take a look when I have time
Does DrK touches Ayurveda?

[versed geyser]

and now he's being compliant

lazy eyed doofus

[frozen nimbus]

👍

[strange dagger]

I do agree obviously, some filters and barriers seem to be gone or lowered, but I do think now it's generally wrong to think of the drunk you as the real you, as if those filters aren't a part of you.

[versed geyser]

I feel like this is the proper general chat at this point and OMG THERE ARE SO MANY CHANNELS

[jolly sky]

Not quite, more that, A certain level of a puzzle has gone away, and you think in your un-sober mind you think that you've gotten somewhere, but instead the puzzle has simply been replaced with a different puzzle.

[versed geyser]

are Discords typically this big

[hasty grail]

ideally this is where people want to comment on the stream without being in twitch chat, otherwise its for any other drama

[hasty grail]

this is one of the larger ones

[ocean agate]

200k+ people.....i dont think thats anywhere near normal

[versed geyser]

I might be too old for discord. I'll find out in a week

[jolly sky]

Typically I'd say no, but Thor has set this discord up to that you choose to get the roles you are interested in learning from

[strange dagger]

This becomes extra clear when you start solving sudoku drunk

[versed geyser]

I think I've done that during onboarding

[strange dagger]

Yes, but a streamer presenting themselves to the internet should maybe not be called socialising

[jolly sky]

And here's what I think may lay credence to that. The things that you "discovered" in an un-sober mind, make no sense once you are sober.

[indigo wadi]

It still is socializing though

Because he's also interacting with others

[versed geyser]

it is

[strange dagger]

Which is where my favourite substance comes in, the acidic one

[indigo wadi]

it's not just a 1 way street

[versed geyser]

but it's very different to interpersonal socialisation. it's parasocialisation which is a fickle and volatile dynamic

[jolly sky]

Yea lmao, which is why people why click all the roles suddenly think they are out of their depth, because suddenly there are disgusting amount of channels

[strange dagger]

When you sober up from one of those, the things still make sense. They're less funny, saddening or interesting, but they're still real