streamchat

[frosty spear]

I saw a person on a bus asking chatgpt for directions of how to get to a mall that the bus was going to drop us at it's parking lot ☠️

[jolly sky]

Medical or scientific use, when it's trained on very specific data that can be analysed at many times the speed than humans can? Great use, and infact is being done and worked on currently

The main different of course is that it's heavily private, and also heavily scrutinised by humans

[frosty spear]

My guy they are literally making choices in the prompt and model they choose

[strange owl]

They have no say on what models are available, they can only use what the tool presents to the user

[frosty spear]

They also provide images to the model they want element of

[strange owl]

yes, but again, the tool makes the choices

[frosty spear]

There are people right now that are tuning stable diffusion for their use with Ghibli images

[strange owl]

yes, but that is copying a style, they could never pass that off as their own

[frosty spear]

They can also train poses and composition into the model if that's the line you want to draw

[strange owl]

You have no say in where it gets the sources, HOW it can create an image in ghibli style. You can only work with what is available

[frosty spear]

They are making the f-ing choice to ask it

[strange owl]

Try copying the style of a lesser known artist.

Yes, you can make choices in the confines of what the AI tool allows

[frosty spear]

You can give chatgpt examples to generate from any style by just drag and dropping the images into the window

[strange owl]

But it's still copying an existing style and it's within whatever chatgpt will allow you to do.

[frosty spear]

You can also have it copy the composition and any other chatacteristics

[strange owl]

I would also argue that if they had taken the images from Antireal, input them into chatgpt and tell it to generate something similar it would also be a lesser issue than outright taking the images.

[frosty spear]

And style already technically encompasses composition, construction, color, etc

[frosty spear]

At that point because it just hides the problem

[strange owl]

Again, I'm not trying to validate AI. I'm arguing that copying is an active choice, thereby making it worse.

[frosty spear]

It the cto of open ai being asked if they train on youtube videos defense

[frosty spear]

Using the ai is also an active choice that is actively even more disrespectful in my opinion cause you couldn't arsed to at least put in the work of tracing, painting and whatever like a man

[strange owl]

That choice is not with the artist, it's with the creator of the AI.

The AI artist is just being lazy and using a tool instead of doing the work

[frosty spear]

Though there might be a break in communication because I consider tracing more dressed plagiarism than straight up just using someone else work without atribution

[strange owl]

Artistically I absolutely agree. At least someone who copies is doing something artistic.

[frosty spear]

Plagiarism also involves reworking the work in some way manually like a collage of someone elses ideas

[strange owl]

Yepp, like I was saying from the start. It's an active choice, you are aware of the issue and you are hiding the fact.

[frosty spear]

And AI by the same metric is equally worst at the least

Then you add the laziness and the disrespect that you couldn't even be arsed to put in some work to actively choose what is being stolen

[strange owl]

If you expand beyond visual art, there are many many other issues with AI though. Like recently it was revealed (by accident) that a writer had prompted an LLM to take their writing and change it to "the style of" another well known writer, in order to "write" a better book.

[frosty spear]

Also teaches bad habits because all artist's steal from eachother and blatantly but what separates a pheraia from a master is the way you steal and mix

[strange owl]

Personally I would just call that lazy. I doubt the "AI artist" cares who they steal from at that point.

They just want a shortcut

[frosty spear]

That's been happening since chatgpt first came out

[frosty spear]

From experience when pointed out they are usualy unbearably smug

[strange owl]

Those are the "experts" on social media, not the people doing it commercially

[frosty spear]

The ones doing it commercially are patting each other on the back and screaming it from the rooftop for investors at least in tech

[strange owl]

Yeah, that they are. But they're (usually) not the same people

[jolly sky]

Experienced that smug behaviour literally in this discord after I caught someone generating images that they said they themselves had drawn

[strange owl]

It's working it's way into the mainstream in a way that it wasn't before.
It's one thing to generate a funny little image of Thor as a banana man and another if GRRM suddenly decided to use chatgpt to finish up Winds of Winter

It's both fascinating and horrible

[frosty spear]

Sure some normal people that wanted to have their grandma in a Ghibli style are going to get caught in a cross fire but 1 I wouldn't call those ai artists and 2 when explained anyone with some common sense usually gets it that it is bad

[strange owl]

I doubt they would ever replace actual Ghibli animations with those generated by the LLMs though

I mean they could, there's nothing stopping them, but still

[frosty spear]

An unfortunate truth is that he isn't going to finish that book same way the kingkiller chronicles ain't gonna get a 3rd main book

[strange owl]

I know, sadge

[frosty spear]

Don't make me pull the Miazaki quote

[strange owl]

Although Rothfus sort of made his bed at this point

[frosty spear]

Actually now that I think about it under my moral system it's acceptable to use ai for java and French

Haven't had to use any of those two languages for 3+ years now and don't plan too in the future

But using ai to disrespect the people actively choosing to use them is acceptible

[forest glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/too-long-i-decline-to-read-it-book-throw-tldr-gif-11480614

[gritty tartan]

So... something weird is going on. Stellar Blade doesn't have the usual Sony restrictions, and there's no mention of PSN on its Steam page. https://steamdb.info/sub/1294088/info/

[vague palm]

The developer did say they were working with Sony to resolve it

Seems like they succeeded, unlike the HD people lol

[gritty tartan]

I knew that, but it's still surprising.

[frosty spear]

Might be a bit of topic. But why do I get the feeling that if you filled these with the mustard Thor like he would actually eat em?

[wintry pond]

whats the mustard ratio?

[ocean agate]

i looked at the picture....said the same thing you said, then read your text and laughed

[robust galleon]

Based on the syringe it looks like it is about 10-20ml.

[robust galleon]

Mustard ratio is probably closer to 5ml.

[frosty spear]

Great minds think alike

We need to contact Kronos to fill some gregorios with mustard in the batch he will bring Thor

Or a fan going to twitchcon

[frosty spear]

Depends on the type of doughnut but if these weren't made to be filled I think you can only get like a third of the doughnut before loosing structure

Mostly also because muster is more liquid than the usual cream that is used

That is assuming they are yeast doughnuts

[ocean agate]

they look like the type just waiting to get filled

[frosty spear]

If they are cake then they might disintegrate faster

[frosty spear]

Surprised there isn't a ferret or pepe exasperation emote

[ocean agate]

this one?

[frosty spear]

Or pepe leaving

[frosty spear]

No more of a "god damn it"😤

Or facepalm🤦‍♂️ or a "I'm out of here"

[frosty spear]

That looks more like regret

[frosty spear]

Which you should be feeling for this comment

[ocean agate]

why...the only time i felt regret was when i tried duck.....someone told me lower my head real quick, i did but all i got was a headache...they said i told you , you wouldnt like duck. they where right it hurt

and my desk is apparently made of metal

[frosty spear]

I think they didn't make you duck hard enough

[ocean agate]

[frosty spear]

There is also no bonk(like with a baseball bat) emote

[frosty spear]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

[azure glen]

[spice dragon]

I got two of these my : my main instagram is restricted i'm private messaging you from my alt account messages from bot accounts

[halcyon garden]

anyone know if Thor has bumped into Esfand's stream yet?

[jagged birch]

It was just a glimpse and Esfand wasn't around

[spice dragon]

My youtube layout is weird The join button is now showing as subscribe button and the subscribe button is gone

[blissful imp]

in some wholesome news. a smaller streamer got his credit score over 600 for the 1st time in his life. https://www.twitch.tv/erby/clip/AmazonianCheerfulCoyoteOSkomodo-c9FdNan3xWMd8RUJ

i've never seen this person before. just saw this clip.

this can come off confusing for people not from America and not know how are Credit score system works

[ember ember]

Massive W for him

[strange ember]

A credit score is a number, typically ranging from 300 to 850, that reflects an individual's creditworthiness and ability to repay debt.
You'd think that'd be relatively limited... but uh... not only does it affect loans and credit cards and stuff (which also means a lot of vehicles as well), but it also can affect rent, insurance, employment, deposits for things (like utility deposits), cell phone bill...

Hey, Fair. Not bad! He should shoot for ~700 to sit comfortably in Good as a goal

For reference

[tribal nest]

Khronos stream

[blissful imp]

Question. Will Khronos have a facecam?

[tribal nest]

More importantly, will he wear a wig?

[spice dragon]

look for two dudes in a lemon suit Not hard to spot i think

[vocal tree]

Even more important question is If Bailey will have a cameo

[wintry vapor]

Thursday is gonna be hyoed. Cant wait for the Dune Vod. Id watch, buuuuuuut....Deltarune

[fresh ginkgo]

June 5th?

That's gonna be a difficult day for a lot of people, aint it?

At least two exciting things demanding attention

[ocean agate]

June seems like a crazy month for some reason in general

for games*

June 3rd Guild Wars 2 final part of Janthir Wilds, June 5th new Rune Factory game, Dune early access starts, Deltarune (oh its tobyfox i c.), i think there where like 3 or 4 more big things i heard about

[fresh ginkgo]

I can name one of those

Switch 2 Launch Date

[ocean agate]

im expecting oxygen not included to launch the next dlc soon since its in the beta branch and it usualy only there for a few weeks before release

[forest glacier]

If the stream is gonna be 24 hours minimum there should be plenty of time to stop in at some point. I’m over here pushing on my wellness game to try and watch the whole stream

[ocean agate]

june 23 vermintide dlc, june 26th space marine 2, siege update

[opal bronze]

24 hr stream for dune, deltarune possibly, maybe SGF but probably not after 24 hrs of streaming, twitch con debrief, busy stream regardless

[golden rapids]

Hi, it probably gets asked quite often, but I can't see it in here. Does anyone still remember what date Thor said he'll be back from twitch con eu and streaming again? Sadly he didn't update schedule and I forgot what he said last stream 😅

[hard jackal]

#news message

We’re both looking to being back and seeing you all on THURSDAY 5th June for the launch of Dune: Awakening [...]

[frosty spear]

Also a bit of topic but has anyone hit thor with the a book is a device to protect and contain information/the writing. As a result a book is a jar

[ocean agate]

but wouldnt that make a jar a soup bowl since the words are chaotic and not in order there by making them soup?

unless its a dictionary in wich case its a sandwich

[frosty spear]

Eh... Technically all the words in a book are orderd

But by the information it wants to convey as the metric

So it cannot be considered soup

And as for the sandwich it wouldn't fit either because you eat the container(bread) that protects all the components

[ocean agate]

are you implying a book cover is not edible......

everything is edible, at least once

[frosty spear]

Technically book covers are just paper for paperbacks and for hardcovers there is a bit more variation though nothing too dangerous usualy

[ocean agate]

the bread companies used to put saw dust in bread so a book cover is just flourless bread

[frosty spear]

But they aren't designed to be eaten and there lays the difference

[frosty spear]

That was bakeries up until including the industrial era

[ocean agate]

uranium wasnt made for tea but assassins still used it as a sweetner for their targets

[frosty spear]

And it was usually punished harshly

[tribal nest]

akchually, everything is eatable, not everything is edible.

[frosty spear]

And the romans used to ferment their wine in lead jars because it was sweeter afterwards

We stopped doing that even before the middle ages

[wicked schooner]

Dang, didnt know the vocalist of we bury the light can sing in french

[frosty spear]

Don't know how trustworthy this is

[ocean agate]

i dont think Epic would sell so wouldnt matter

[frosty spear]

But I still remember dark sky and still hate apple for buying it

[frosty spear]

Unity*

[ocean agate]

oh, misread

[frosty spear]

It happens

Plus tencent already owns around 40% of epic from what I rember

So for epic yeah it ain't going to sell, it would be a fun resolution for the course case they are having

[ocean agate]

well considering if what i read about Unity origianlly being made for Mac i guess they would be likely to sell to apple

[frosty spear]

Unity on the other hand with all they shenanigans would totally do it and they might make it mac exclusive

[jolly sky]

Lmao making it mac exclusive would literally kill Unity where it stands

[frosty spear]

All the old leadership is hone twice over if I remember right so meh

The new leadership does like money though so...

[ocean agate]

a lot of these companies get passed on to being run by people that are more about the economic side and i get it, a company cant pay their employees on promises and dreams, but sometimes a great narative and good reputation is worth more then a shity reputation for releasing quick cash garbage

[frosty spear]

A company can't pay their COs and share holders on promises and dreams

There fixed it

They don't give a shit about employes until it hurts the bottom line, same with reputation

[ocean agate]

i know, thats my point but i feel like originally these companies might have a better vision of hoiw things would turn out and what it turned into is not what they wanted

[frosty spear]

Maybe if the founder is still in charge and or around and they are extremely vocal but even then sometimes the machine doesn't care

[ocean agate]

guess its the saying "live long enough to become the villian" even with companies

[frosty spear]

Some are the villains from the start

[ocean agate]

.....the problem is most villains don't see them selves as villains

[frosty spear]

Technically the system enforces it. There are rulings in the eu and us that a company must provide values to the shareholders and not doing so deliberately would be a breach of fiduciary duties

From how I understand it Blackrock is suing unite health because they apparently they have gone soft after the you know what

[frosty spear]

Nah most of the know

Especially with tech nowadays

Uber, lyft, whatever knew they wanted to be the only game around so they artificially lowered their prices to get all the other cab business out

AI companies know what they are doing and knew from the start some years ago what their goal was

Sure there are companies that become companies by requirement, same way Thor had to and those can be better cause they are build around an actual thing

Anyways this more of a tech thing but it's neat we might have gotten a better algorithm than dijkstra at founding the shortest path

[opal bronze]

wasnt that A* or are those the same thing

[tribal nest]

Isn't it only explicitly better in certain edge case scenario's, while requiring more energy or something in all others?

[frosty spear]

From what I remember A* is to dijkstra what quick sort is to heap sort

A* is faster in most cases but in the worst case scenario is much worst

[frosty spear]

Apparently it's more of a math theorem that need to be further tested to determined if it offers the same benefits as Dijkstra

[tiny sleet]

What is the worst case scenario for it?

As long as heuristic used correctly for the use case, A* will win out in accuracy of the path. https://www.redblobgames.com/pathfinding/a-star/introduction.html

[frosty spear]

It's E*log(V) compared to it's best case which is just V

[tiny sleet]

It loses one step to greedy on a straight line. And greedy can create absurdly convoluted detours on anything but the straight line.

Hardly a worst case

[ocean agate]

This is why you dont react emotionally, i almost clicked the link. always verify and never click the hyperlink, manually go to the page using your usual method and go to your account, there should always be a way without using the email to get you to the notice just in case there is a problem.

[strange owl]

You can also generally long press links (at least on Android) to see where they actually lead without opening them.

Or hover over them on pc

[ocean agate]

yeah thats what i did in the screenshot to check the email, it just doesnt show my mouse

[hasty grail]

i had a similar one

yes, i did log into amazon website to confirm rather than click the link

[opal bronze]

my spam filter works great, only problem is that it works great

so im usually on autopilot when checking emails

although that one looks funny and idk why my card would stop working so id hopefully not fall for that

[ocean agate]

Otherworldly Munchkin: Let's Speedrun the Dungeon with Only 1 HP!

the last 1 is all thats important

[tribal nest]

did they really expect that to work?

[ocean agate]

Mods so quick

[pallid lava]

What happended?

[tribal nest]

Why would an absolutely random person announce Thor's making a new game before Thor himself??

[ocean agate]

someone put a server invite saying it had something to do with Thor

[tribal nest]

It said something along the lines of

"Pirate Software" is making a new game! Come join us in this dicord server!

and it did indeed say Pirate Software in quotation marks

[ocean agate]

legally distinct....bc i added quotes.... (not how that works)

or maybe the quotes ment it was pirated

[tribal nest]

I think the bot is just looking at discord servers of game devs, and then asumes the name of the discord server is also the name of the studio, so it uses it to say the studio is making a new game

Why the bot thinks it's logical that the studio would make an entirely new server for their game, instead of just using, you know, their already established Discord server, I don't know, but that's probably the "trick" that bot used

[ocean agate]

maybe depending on certain things they might make a new discord, but Thor wouldnt. he does a variety of things on here. but if it was a dedicated discord and they had a new IP i could see a new server

[tribal nest]

Yeah, it does probably work on some people (and that's already enough for scammers), but it's still a weird one to me. Certainly because that's something that would be announced and shared by the devs themselves, instead of just 'some guy'

[ocean agate]

besides just go to https://linktr.ee/piratesoftware and you can see all his links, especially that one near the bottom

[blissful imp]

https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987/clip/DirtyVastStinkbugTBTacoRight-xCMEwSoIpsstwOfy

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-24514685

[jolly sky]

It's* right

[blissful imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnLWLQsh9mw

[blissful imp]

Community Leaderboard*

Awesome update imo

i think this is cool for youtube. even tho twitch has had this feature for years now

[frosty spear]

I thought I recognized the watering can Thor got

Now a better question would be has Thor managed to fill it with still water and test it on all the blank books in his house

[opal bronze]

He got the same kind of watering can or he got Adam savages one

[strange owl]

I have a similar can, but it's in copper with detailing and from the 50s or so.

[serene valley]

Idk what Thor and Adam savage would talk about but it'd be interesting to see I suppose

Their areas of skill dont really overlap

[late bane]

Coincidence?

[opal bronze]

Thor visited the workshop in a group tour last year when he was at that event

But your right their interests don't overlap at all

Aside from encouraging creation maybe

[ocean agate]

both are big nerds

[frosty spear]

I think yeah they might only be aligning on the go make stuff mentality

Different kind of nerds

[ocean agate]

a similie

[frosty spear]

?

[ocean agate]

A simile is a rhetorical device used to compare two things using the words “like,” “as,” or “than.”

https://www.scribbr.com/rhetoric/simile/

[frosty spear]

Intresting

[ocean agate]

i always misspell it, but i looked it up after posting so i can try to fix my spelling

i seem to think the "a" is a part of the word and not the sentence structure

[frosty spear]

Anyways the fact that they are nerds doesn't really mean they would have all that much to talk about their interest that the other would also be really interested in

[ocean agate]

true

[frosty spear]

Unless Thor has a hidden love for metal shop youtube that we don't know about

That or movie history

[ocean agate]

i could see some movie history knowledge

[frosty spear]

Technically they could nerd about science

But Adam is more in the mechanical side of it while from what I've seen of Thor he looks more at the biology research

Funnily enough thor and Adam Ragusa would have more in common

[frosty spear]

They do both like dune

[ocean agate]

SPICE

i wonder if its spicy

[frosty spear]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

[ocean agate]

ahahah, run away

fear the bonk

[frosty spear]

Whoever made that emote also deserves a bonk

[ocean agate]

i used to think they where al Shaye but when Thor was adding new ones, he gave credit to someone else. i guess on Twitch you can look up the credit

[frosty spear]

Why would I do that? They do deserve a bonk in the mail, but meh too much work

[thick ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[ocean agate]

oh goodness

hf

[ocean agate]

interesting

[strange owl]

darune - sandstone

[wintry pond]

people replaying the last chapter to remember what the story was

[ocean agate]

it just came out today i thought...

[wintry pond]

dont they all share the same game, just different chapters

[ocean agate]

i dont know, i saw a seperate entry for chapters like 5 and 6 or something but i havent played any tobyfox games

[wintry pond]

on steam its all just one game

[strange owl]

I think I played chapter 1 many years ago

[ocean agate]

i guess its 1-4 right now and more will be free updates later on

not sure whee i saw the 5 and 6 cant find anymore

[wintry pond]

oh, they made chapters 1 and 2 into a free demo

cool

I didnt like undertale or deltarune. Gameplay wes not for me, but I do love the story and mechanics

[ocean agate]

fair enough, the game doesnt look very interesting to me, but all i have been playing is an idle game called Trimps lately soo... i would be a horrible base line to rate games off of

i just thought the turn out for its launch was interesting

[frosty spear]

https://youtu.be/PgowBLb4sKw came across this gem

[ocean agate]

love The Onion

[west plinth]

truly, character freedom like no other

[iron crag]

Anyone know if Thor mentioned what server he will be playing on?

Dune

[ocean agate]

"We will have news about our Dune server arrangement before launch time.
Planning something rad but all the puzzle pieces need to fall into place for this to work." ~Thor

#1379665272352276531

[covert monolith]

o0 which channel is this linking? I dont seem to have the role for it.

[azure glen]

You want the role for the game Dune

[covert monolith]

..but I have it checked uhhh..

[ocean agate]

you need the Dune role, its Dune announcements

if you still dont have it try unchecking the role and clicking it again

[covert monolith]

Nope, still not working

[ocean agate]

no clue, but currently there is nothing else posted there anyway

[covert monolith]

Gotcha, thank you :] not too worried abt it. If I want in Ill make a ticket or smth. ty for tryin tho!!

[ocean agate]

looking at your tags, you dont have the role for Dune which is "Awakened" do you have access to any of the other Dune channels?

[covert monolith]

I dont think so, no! I know discord has a habit of not applying things unless moderators do it/apply a role sometimes though (happens in the discord I moderate often enough)

[ocean agate]

not sure how active you are in the other channels but it might be a bug with how many roles you have, you could try reducing them, or there might be a role that is exclusive where it bans people with that role from certain content but i am not a mod so idk

i know i have a server i was making for a game i was playing and i had a role called spy to keep people from certain content

[covert monolith]

I think the only blocker roles this server has are for the livestream notifs, but you might be right about role amount, Im not sure

ohp there we go, I tried again and now it works thanks discord, I guess

[brisk sparrow]

If it doesn’t work once just try again

Discord be dumb

[ocean agate]

....i was writting out a TTS message and was like should i make sure this isnt going to get me in trouble... but i think just the fact that i feel like it needs to be veted means it is probably not a good idea to post. dont want to get banned

[opal bronze]

watching the greyhack vod from a year ago you can tell the stuff inbetween then and now affected his attitude a little

not massively tho

or maybe just cuz its been a year, who knows

i look at stuff i did in 2020 and be like why did i do that lol

[opal bronze]

i dont think you'd get banned for it permanently especially in an appeal but fair, usually better to play it safe

[frosty spear]

Eh... I've said it before but from the clip that I've seen of him playing superluminal he looked one advertisment bracket younger on youtube compared to now

I think mostly because of the community explosion

He got the greggs now but he also needs a vacation

[opal bronze]

i watched about 20 mins of the greyhack vod and caught a couple things that seemed 'out of place'

[frosty spear]

What you're saying we are watching one of the clonuses with a wig

[opal bronze]

man that clone had way more whimsy than this clone!

when will we get a software update

[opal bronze]

for sure, he's been through more than the average content creator does in 5 years compressed into like 3-4 months, if that were me id already be like month 4 into my 2 year break

[frosty spear]

The increase in community may have lead an increase in the general interactions with the most deranged people on the internet

And that takes a toll

[opal bronze]

that too

[frosty spear]

I mean for the size of the channel drama was bound to follow in some way or another it's the expected events

[opal bronze]

yeah but not like that

you look at people like markiplier and stuff and you're like ok whats going on here thats different

[frosty spear]

Meh if you look at it for all major youtubers they all had it in one way or another

[opal bronze]

true, you'll always have haters no matter who you are

[frosty spear]

It's the odd ones that doesn't happen too

[opal bronze]

its just the size in relation

ive said it before when it was more relevant but dr k picked up on it during the talk they had

[frosty spear]

Markiplier doesn't really expose(his livestream and podcast are smaller and more controlled) himself in such a way that drama channels would latch onto

[opal bronze]

thats a good point i suppose, he's not a streamer so there's less accidents to pick apart

[frosty spear]

Thor on the other hand streams 12 hours a day being asked the weirdest shit someone could imagine on the spot

[opal bronze]

you never get what someone truly thinks at the end of the day when its live it will come out without consideration of all the moving parts, so it rubs wrong

unless its a really bad statement thats indefensible

but like in general

[brisk sparrow]

Whenever markiplier is trending on twitter, he was either in the hospital, or he was trending because no one knew why he was trending

[opal bronze]

i couldnt do streaming for one because id probably say some shit, not meaning it that gets me in deep water

if i had any traction at all

stressful ass job being a public figure that is not at all apparent to all the kids wanting to be youtubers

dont blame the vtuber explosion, or people being faceless before vtubing

[frosty spear]

There is also that Thor presents himself is I don't know how to put it so it doesn't sound like one of the dramatuber

[opal bronze]

i know what you mean

to me its clear why its lasted but thats cuz i have the outside perspective

[frosty spear]

Not condescending exactly but the giving of advice and then the cutting of the surrounding context(well more goofy parts) for the shorts paints him in an interesting relation with everyone he interacts on stream

[opal bronze]

yeah, i can see how, ive known people ive shown his content to that it just rubs them the wrong way

[frosty spear]

He still rubs me the wrong way, but I'm here for the entertainment so meh

But mostly cause I come of in a similar way to the people around me that I interact on a daily basis

[opal bronze]

i dont see it personally and thats probably why, im fine being told what to do or info because its all just learning material to me

[frosty spear]

It's not that exactly

It's a mismatch in the role that people giving advice usually fall into

[opal bronze]

yeah im handwaving a bit

[frosty spear]

Thor falls outside most of the common roes you encounters in you day to day

[opal bronze]

also the explaning lacks for a better word.. vulnerableness sometimes

[frosty spear]

But falls real closely to some people you encounter on forums

[opal bronze]

not even a word, but i mean like if i explain something to someone i will litter it with "i think" "i heard" "probably"

makes it less of a divide when im explaining, like im just passing on not telling

thor... doesnt do this as often as id like lol

and it does suck its that fickle with people sometimes but its just how it is

not the whole reason ofc

[frosty spear]

Not strict enough to fall under the role of an instructor, he has knowledge and experience but at least to me he doesn't fall under the veteran role and with the moments of levity cutoff and the kind of advice he is asked for he doesn't fall under the friend/family role(which is good he doesn't)

[wide zealot]

Guys do you know what is the name of this app

What is it used for

[opal bronze]

scanlan

used to see the network you're connected to

like where you are and where you want to be, very handy

[wide zealot]

Can you practice malware attack on it

[opal bronze]

i see that

[opal bronze]

no its just for viewing

[wide zealot]

Great, tysm for replying
Huge respect

[opal bronze]

also its in the game greyhack, not an actual irl tool

just in case

i love when thor plays puzzle games because its like a meld of emotional and logical

he solves the puzzle and you watch his emotional reaction, while simultaneously showing his logical skill at it

[frosty spear]

And I now realise out of the three big software youtubers/streamers I watch occasionally only Prime doesn't trigger any automatic response of distrust when giving advice

[opal bronze]

exactly dude

i made this comparison

[frosty spear]

Theo has the same problem as Thor

[opal bronze]

prime does the same thing as thor, but doesn't have the same sort of hate thing for him

[frosty spear]

Prime just gives me the vibe he is happy to be there and doing thing no matter what

[opal bronze]

and its not just the lsf stuff even before then there was this animosity i could see

[opal bronze]

well im too autistic to pick up on vibes but what i do notice is the way he talks

[frosty spear]

He is expressive, exited and jumping around most of the time

[opal bronze]

everything he explains usually leads into a bit he's got set up

[frosty spear]

And proud to do it I guess

[opal bronze]

its all about relieving tension in a convo

push and pull is a more informal term but ive heard before

push in this context is like deeply explaining something and basically vomiting all the knowledge you have about it out

and a pull would be "well actually idk about this i could be wrong lol"

or something that just lets the other person relax for a second

[frosty spear]

Anyways it's 5 in the morning here, I think I'm done for today about psychoanalysis youtubers

[opal bronze]

so true

i find the whole thing really interesting but im not a brain doctor by any means

because its stuff that ive learned being someone with autism, that's worked and made life easier

[frosty spear]

It's mostly that the people that you would meet in real life that give the same energy as Theo and Thor and would answer questions tend to be the um actually guys from my expirience

[opal bronze]

i can see that lol

not the truth obviously but someones first impression i can understand it

[frosty spear]

Both Thor and Theo do seem to actually like to answer question for the sake of sharing knowledge rather than to impress or asert superiority

But the presentation is the same

[opal bronze]

especially if that first impression is handcrafted by haters to highlight all the bad stuff

[frosty spear]

So eh...

[opal bronze]

yeah

i dont watch theo i cant speak on that

[frosty spear]

The human brain likes to stereotype and if you present yourself as a stereotype to some people is pretty hard to get out of that bucket

[opal bronze]

but yeah i can tell thor is very built for corporate environment, every paint presentation was probably a banger

[opal bronze]

yeah, im lucky enough to not do that much but if you grow up with that its probably harder to unshift yourself from that mentality

[frosty spear]

Well he was chosen by the spirit animal which group name is called a business

[opal bronze]

so true

[frosty spear]

Everyone stereotypes but your experience dictates if you are willing to give anyone form a certain stereotype bucket the time of day to prove you wrong

[opal bronze]

yeah

[frosty spear]

Hey fun thing you can do you can stereotype yourself in someone's mind for whatever social engendering goal you want

[opal bronze]

explain

[frosty spear]

And less fun fact you nay also be doing this unconsciously

[opal bronze]

what like being self conscious

"these people think im x and y"

kinda thing

[frosty spear]

Well if you go up to a reception desk with a food delivery pack on your back nobody is going to ask you too many questions

[opal bronze]

oh right like if it walks like a duck and talks like one

thor actually talks about this in a social engineering short

if you act like you're in a hurry you can just get into places usually

holding a clipboard or whatever

if you act frazzled, like if anyone stops you they are going to get into more trouble than if they let you pass

[frosty spear]

Not really, if you don't want to be somewhere for instance or with a group of people there are some pretty good chances you'll change your behaviour so you'll be rejected by that group

[brisk sparrow]

Remember: high vis and a clipboard can get you a lot of places if you’ve got the confidence

[opal bronze]

oh right like putting on a different personality depending on who you're talking to

man im doin that right now

[frosty spear]

Pretty much

[opal bronze]

thats a compatibility thing though, surely everyone does this to some extent

like its me but ive just tweaked the firewall settings

"yes maybe dont send that but do talk more like this"

[frosty spear]

You're still acting different from baseline

[opal bronze]

idk where you'd even set the baseline at

[frosty spear]

Depends

[opal bronze]

would be how you are with family or if you have more fun with friends, thats where you'd say "yeah thats truly me"

[frosty spear]

I personally go by would you still do this this way of you had 0 external influence

[opal bronze]

that makes sense

so just how you act alone then

[frosty spear]

Yes and no

You can act with 0 external influence in your behaviour while also being in a group of people

[opal bronze]

nah man if you're in a group you're always being influenced

if i was talking like they werent even there that would be 0 influence right

[frosty spear]

Not really though it more depends on the person

[opal bronze]

like ill speak less in a group because people are talking and also the less people i know the more cautious i am

[frosty spear]

Some people can't interact with others if they don't change the baseline

[opal bronze]

true, but you'd never hang with people that you had to basically be a different person around and be happy with it

but also id never use personality A with friend group B

[frosty spear]

Eh... I usually talk towards people rather than with them so meh

[opal bronze]

whats the difference

[frosty spear]

Udp vs tcp

[opal bronze]

oh right

you just speak without expecting a response

thats the most nerd shit to explain that and i hate that i instantly understood lmao

[frosty spear]

I speak without expecting people to listen or care for their responses unless they further the conversation

[opal bronze]

i sorta do the same much to my detriment sometimes, i will just yap about something forever and not really care if the other person is listening

[frosty spear]

I do somehow manage to keep people engaged thought that's mostly cause I'm flexible in the topics I can talk about

[opal bronze]

yeah well i imagine anyone who is engaged with something they dont gaf about is just being nice and humoring me

[frosty spear]

You can ask and gage the response

[opal bronze]

also guilty of that so i figure thats what other people do

[opal bronze]

its the type of people id ask and id get a response like "nah man you suck" in a non serious way

i know few people that i can joke around with but also can be serious

but not none so thats good

[frosty spear]

Like a "I hope I'm not holding you up, because you've been quite for a bit"

Give them an out and see if they take it

[opal bronze]

yeah if i notice im going on too long ill just be like "but anyways"

[opal bronze]

man thats the shit i do all the time for everything

you gotta give an out

otherwise people can feel 'cornered'

turns a convo into an interrogation

[frosty spear]

Which leads me to I'm going to go hit the sack

[opal bronze]

which actually is not a realistic metaphor because they do that all the time in police interrogations

ok man ill see ya

[frosty spear]

Best of luck

[golden mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379665272352276531/1379665504356139081/spice.gif?ex=684262a1&is=68411121&hm=81b72c7553ac1fd4fab847a19a81d75bc67e216e11411aefb326e9046d7b5c89&

[worthy ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWdVp3Yqt4

[spice dome]

Weird. Didn't get a ping for the @ everyone from the stream start.

[earnest mirage]

discord being discord. Sometimes i only get the visual tag in discord on my pc or laptop.
If you have discord also running on a phone or tablet, the notification could be sent to it instead. Happens to me quite often. When it does, it select one of the 2 mobile devices i have connected randomly.

[drifting silo]

I like how thor has the issue of employees working too much 🤣

[frosty spear]

Oh... The death spiral has started

[frosty spear]

Also I'm watching the stream from the start and 2 things

1 Thor is building the most bloodthirsty business(of ferrets) he can

2 he truly is american if he complained about walking every where while in europe

[tiny sleet]

Best Dune game. Starts as visual novel then turns into strategy game, fighting to conquer the planet. https://www.retrogames.cz/play_504-DOS.php

[strange owl]

Ordos best house

Green ftw

[wicked schooner]

I was curious when dune awakening only had two factions

Like wasnt there a third faction in the dune universe?

[hard jackal]

I liked Dune 2000
https://www.gog.com/dreamlist/game/dune-2000

[wicked schooner]

Or are there only two factions in the dune awakenings alternate universe?

[hard jackal]

There will be a third faction.

You also have a bunch of smaller houses

[wicked schooner]

Did they announce there's gonna be a third faction? If thats the case, ill be excited to see

[wicked schooner]

My dad had dune 2000

But he prefers to play red alert 2 more

[hard jackal]

"There's a third faction that'd like to get in," Bylos said, "but that probably won't come until post-launch."

• https://www.techradar.com/gaming/consoles-pc/dune-awakening-will-let-you-choose-between-the-harkonnen-and-arrakis-factions-plus-a-third-that-will-arrive-after-launch

[hard jackal]

Fair
Still, golden age of RTS

[wicked schooner]

Ah, thanks

Cant wait

[strange owl]

Ordos was invented by Westwood (I believe), they're not from the books. So there might be some legal stuff to work out if that's what they want to include.

[analog horizon]

Hey guys, does anyone knows if this website was made by thor or someone on the Pirate team (mods etc)? Or is it a tool available online?

[wicked schooner]

Oh, so they weren't from the og dune universe?

Interesting

Still a really cool faction though

Reminds me of yuri from ra2

[dawn falcon]

Caught
https://www.twitch.tv/winky/clip/BigImportantMangetoutDancingBaby-ziHo511VMG3QENLd

[ocean agate]

so many viewers

[dawn falcon]

Channel shared record? seem low

[dusky grove]

Noice

[frosty abyss]

The pun awakening

[warm trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPd3_nUnKK8

[kindred sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-grin-smile-interesting-gif-5734265

why does it look like this?

[covert monolith]

Bailey clip for people who didnt get to see https://www.twitch.tv/khronosvii/clip/ArtsyDeadEelShadyLulu-5HJxa1gceztobf3T

[tribal nest]

Ah yes, thank you Twitch for keeping me reminded that this is a shared stream. I really would’ve forgotten if it weren’t for this permanent bar while using fullscreen.

[azure glen]

https://www.twitch.tv/khronosvii/clip/GeniusPowerfulRadicchioSuperVinlin-y9JRnnK2LwRiNT0W

[drifting silo]

Khronos has feet???

Does they also have legs?

[opal bronze]

thor got a tts about when exp 33 vid is coming out and he autocorrected it in his head to something else lol

like someone was suggesting a dlc or something for him to play

[strange owl]

I think he heard "When will you play it again" which he replied to

Ie, he might

[opal bronze]

said he'd look into it

doesn't make much sense with that context

either way he locked in on dune

[strange owl]

He'd look into playing it again. He wanted to since he still has a lot of optional stuff to do.

[opal bronze]

hmm

[frosty spear]

IDK why but I find it pretty funny that Thor's favorite weapon in destiny 2 is called thorn

[opal bronze]

had to put a whole tts explaining mango drink because it seems there's some confusion in chat but he probably wouldn't like it, too sweet for him

raspberry drink is alot more tart there's a chance he'd like that

there was at least one person like "this doesn't exist" because he never seen it, feel like i must have the secret menu or something

big win for bean and cheese melt though he said that was his favourite

as for the sausage rolls my guy was wolfing down the cold 4 packs not even hot smh

[uneven salmon]

Im guessing thors stream is done?

[cinder slate]

looking for people to play with in calico jack server on Dune Awakening

[opal bronze]

No i think he wants to do 24 HR stream if he can

Of dune

[uneven salmon]

There's a dune specific server now ^^!!

[forest glacier]

OK.. So.. Someone explain this to me.. Thor is synced for me across the two streams but Khronos is not... HOW?

[winter sierra]

the better question: why are you doing this to yourself lol

[strange owl]

twitch is weird. If I have the stream up on mobile and on pc they will randomly desync and lag behind.

I always have to refresh to get the stream up to date

[forest glacier]

because I can

[spice dome]

Oh, he's still up?

[robust galleon]

Stream is over now

Yt has a new thing for chat engagement, and since I had stream open the entire time I think I got the high score.

[rocky venture]

Khronos is up still

[robust galleon]

Yeah, but Thor's is over.

And there isn't going to be a Thor stream again until Saturday. Unless Thor forgets after he sleeps that he wouldn't be streaming.

Here's hoping I get a few hours of sleep as well.

[azure glen]

https://www.twitch.tv/khronosvii/clip/InnocentSwissDadHoneyBadger-5bfSshILJPU4oik8

[earnest mirage]

Khronos is the personification of time. He is time, therefore he is always in sync. Everyone else is out of sync.

[spice dragon]

twitch is having problems again Everytime i press follow button on khrono his twitch it directly unfollows '

[late bane]

@minor nymph Watching the Dune stream from last night and about an hour in you started talking about paper shredding and shredder services.

Well I used to work for an employer that used one of those services and one time someone put a laptop battery inside one of those bins to dispose of it.

For those who don't know the bin is for paper only and has a slot for just paper to fit and only the collection drivers and my management has a key to get into the bin.

They take the bags to the back hatch of the collections vehicle, an armored truck, to be shredded.

Apparently this happens often as when the truck started on fire the driver knew exactly what it was that caused it.

[forest glacier]

Cant believe Khronos is still at Twitch Con. SMH

[rain hazel]

well if he changed it, would it be classed as working?

[stone prairie]

Yes. Ergo he must remain at Twitchcon.

[crystal axle]

hes waitin for the next one lol

[opal bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/camboysminaj-gif-16120970053004263135

[modern heron]

Can someone do me a favor and bring up PayPal's updated terms about chargebacks?

Just want Thor to look at it...

[tribal nest]

Wow, didn't expect Thor to be so sexual

[proud depot]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/NimbleBusyPistachioPipeHype-mkSe50o14NhPicE4

[native crown]

OMG the soup in a baguette is NOT A POBOY

poboy is a sandwich like a sub

[blissful imp]

Shocked mouse

that picture of mouse made me want to do this

[serene valley]

I made a steak

A steak!!?!

Yes.

[jolly sky]

We can be a bee

This is good news

[wicked schooner]

A pet?

[haughty pelican]

Turboprop mentioned

Obligatory Wyvern Posting

[forest glacier]

I wasnt gonna do it... but I did it... Sometimes someone forgets to unmute themselves for the Discord call but not stream so they respond to eachother without realizing lol now I can play tab juggler

[frosty spear]

Some of the main cast

https://www.reddit.com/r/expedition33/s/eHJiPTLXsJ

Did Thor end up getting the baguette outfit to twitch con?

[tidal swallow]

I slept and woke up and the guy is still streaming 👀

[fresh linden]

Did the stream crash?

[clever void]

I just stepped away for 3 mins. Did Thor sign off or was there a crash?

[dusky grove]

he just ended

[empty fulcrum]

SIgned off

[dusky grove]

went to bed

[clever void]

Oh ok cool. Bummed I missed the sign off but glad it isn't an issue or something

[proud depot]

glad to see thor only streamed for 18 hours instead of 22 like last time

[golden mirage]

Is he planning to stream tonight or skipping a day again?

[dusky grove]

The former. Said so as he ended

[proud depot]

so thor is supposedly streaming?

and there he is

[weak ginkgo]

Lmao

Never change, Khronos!

[shrewd wolf]

since Thor was looking for the 'any' key, it's right there mate

[tribal nest]

ok, this is gonna sound weird, but is it just me, or do the gun sfx of this game sound really similar to fortnite? I just unpaused the stream while watching it audio only, and I genuinly was confused as to why Thor was playing fortnite for a solid minute. (I haven't touched that game in years btw)

Not shitting on Dune btw, I'm planning on playing it once I have some free time, just noticed the audio sounding similar

[dusky grove]

Maybe? I'll need to check

[tribal nest]

How do I join the Dune discord again?

[azure glen]

#1379665272352276531 message

[tribal nest]

It says 'No Acces'

[azure glen]

Get the Dune role in id:customize

[tribal nest]

I have the role but it's still showing as 'No Acces', and I can't see any Dune channels either

[azure glen]

That's discord having a fit. Sometimes takes a bit for the roles to update. Looking at your profile, you don't have the role yet. You can try unchecking and rechecking it to see if it takes effect. The role name is "Awakened"

[covert monolith]

I had that happen! I just waited a little bit and unchecked/rechecked again for it to take affect. Might be able to make a mod ticket about it, too, maybe?

[tribal nest]

Oh

it showed up

Thanks for the help

[azure glen]

You're welcome

[covert monolith]

gotta love discord

[dry osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SmRWMJUeP2k

[late bane]

I question if my tts went to far today

[blissful imp]

So big windows news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3njzvmkEZGo

Microsoft allowed the Xbox team to modify windows to omptimize it for gaming.

Valve f'd them up.

[late bane]

Ehh

With steam decks and switches holding the lions share, will they be able to compete?

[hasty grail]

gamepass

[late bane]

I have it for pc and its nowhere near steam level in my opinion

[blissful imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp3fbZZOlcs

[late bane]

I will say I miss my psp, wish I never sold it or the games

Couldn't even buy it back as the next week that game store closed down

[blissful imp]

i mean the "Xbox handheld" isn't really an xbox. its windows 11 modified by the xbox team and optimized for gaming.

[late bane]

Right, so why that over a laptop

[blissful imp]

A handheld will have the best windows 11 out there... unless microsoft puts out an update for windows 11 adding these optimizations without the cool looking ui menu.

[late bane]

[blissful imp]

i started typing before your last message finished btw

[late bane]

Fair enough

[hasty grail]

?

[jolly sky]

Already mod ticketed it

[hasty grail]

just did as well

anyways

how was Thor doing for Dune

[jolly sky]

Doing well, enjoying it, having fun with Khronos and Winky

[hasty grail]

What ever happened with Ashes of Creation? i recall Thor being excited for it but nothing of it recently

[jolly sky]

Last I heard from Thor was that there has been some really bad economy changes. Things that would have previously been reasonable to get, suddenly taking 1000's of hours, even with multiple people in a single patch

[hasty grail]

ah

[jolly sky]

That is only what I've heard from him personally, and was a around a month ago? I don't know if that change has been rolled back or not however

[jolly sky]

But that change was enough for many people to nope out

[golden mirage]

He was asked about it on stream today, he said he's waiting for the economy to be fixed.

[ripe minnow]

wasn't there the bad armor change for AoC as well or did they fix that

[golden mirage]

There was but I haven't seen him talk about that recently.

[frosty spear]

Guys I think Thor may be a vampire his mind can't deal with the unnatural geometry of the walls

[sand lion]

Nah, he might be just geometrically challenged.

Like my dumb ass, that can imagine whole picture of the house, but when I start building it's shit

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-run-kitten-cute-cat-im-coming-hold-on-gif-21346093

[worthy ivy]

got a psp somewhere - second gen iirc
but the battery's fubar - all fat and swollen and looking like a real fire hazard and that

[strong wasp]

https://youtu.be/EzjWBmhO_1E?si=NIXl65ZMefCMK9OX seems kinda relevant to the current game. More as a geometry rendering technique that I think could pair well with particles.

Also, speaking of particles, IMO the Everquest spell particles in 1999 were soo ahead of the time. I thought they were soo cool, cooler than the models.

[jolly sky]

The demo for Particle Hearts is cool. A slight shame that the demo ends where it does. I think Thor got sent a later version of the Demo where there's more to do afterwards

[warm vapor]

hi i know this is a dumb question but how can i join one of Thor's dune servers

[jolly sky]

You've got the Dune role in id:customize , they may know in that channel, and there's also an entirely different Discord server that they may also know the link to

[blissful imp]

Do i share the allegations i just saw? i'd imagine thor already knows considering both him and Shaye were @ 'd

[jolly sky]

If it has anything to do with social media, leave that shit where it belongs

In the dumpster

[kindred holly]

I'm scared to ask. Are these new or just repeats?

[jolly sky]

I have no idea, and I'm not about to check either

[blissful imp]

it is new. its on twitter. i saw the thread 1st from reddit as you'd guess. i glossed over the thread and didn't really read it, but there are text messages and so on. the person says this occured when thor was 31 and shaye was 22.

[kindred holly]

So 6-7 years ago?

[proper phoenix]

idt thats the concerning part

[kindred holly]

I think I found it

....

[jolly sky]

Whatever it is, like in all social media related things, don't take it at face value

[proper phoenix]

I think im gonna stay neutral and took no side until someone post some fact check
But if even some of the allegations are somewhat true its pretty damming
Even if it happen 6-7 years ago

[kindred holly]

I'm going to wait to hear from Thor but.... I really don't know what to think. Some of this is pretty damning.

[frosty spear]

Only read the reddit comments and the whole thing sounds so stupid from the broad strokes there

It's loosing some nuance

[kindred holly]

Well reading reddit comments is your first mistake /j

I was reading from the Twitter thread before.

Theres things I don't fully understand so I'm gonna go over it again when I have a chance.

[proper phoenix]

I read the whole thing
There is some damming part but some of the allegations are somewhat exaggerated

[frosty spear]

Meh... Don't have a twitter account and from the sound of it it wouldn't really be worth a read

[proper phoenix]

But i would still prolly advise everyone to take no side until all the facts are checked

[frosty spear]

Yeah I gathered that from the sounds of it

[proper phoenix]

Eh i would still say u should read it just to know what is what

[frosty spear]

But my usual metric is as long as it's between consenting at the time adults everything is a learning experience of sorts for both parties

And so it ain't my problem or concern

From what I gather the ages are 20 and 31 both fine ages for learning lessons so eh

[proper phoenix]

Its just a 20 and 31 so at worst its just a relationship drama

But abusing is a very damming allegation so im hoping to see all the fact checked out until i have any opinions of it

Atp its best to stay neutral and take no side until all is cleared

[kindred holly]

That and there's a possible cheating aspect to this too. I feel gross seeing old relationship drama but if that's also true.... Its still really shitty.

Again, I'll have to look over this again to make sure I'm understanding their side.

It is gross that the accuser leaked the name of his ex wife, apparently

Autocorrect, I stg

[frosty spear]

And how would that affect you? He might have did something shitty. Well did he do it again after? Did he learn something from it. Does it matter to what he is doing now. He is human and being human is to learn

And same for the other person. Did they learn anything from the experience or not

[proper phoenix]

Thats just being disingenuous no ?
Chalking down the whole allegations as just a "learning experience"

[nova bough]

read the whole thing. just looks like a relationship that went soutb

[proper phoenix]

True or not saying those type of allegations that involving abusing/ manipulation is just a learning experience is kinda shitty thing to say

[nova bough]

south, even.

[kindred holly]

Regardless, that is shitty behavior that I don't have tolerance for. And I don't have tolerance for hypocrites.

I don't know if these allegations are true but if they are then it's shitty as all hell.

[frosty spear]

I mean maybe but again it's been what 7 years or something like that. And to my sensibilities emotional abuse is something you can learn from to not let it get to you again from others

[proper phoenix]

At worst this is just a sexual relationship thst went sour
Sexual drama at worst

[kindred holly]

At this point, I just want to know the truth.

[nova bough]

i find the timing interesting, tbh. pirate had a ton of drama, things die down, then the guy pulls out the drama

[proper phoenix]

7 years or not is not important. Emotional damage can last for a life time

[kindred holly]

It could mean anything, honestly

[nova bough]

yea

[frosty spear]

If there were physical abuse then it would be different because the imbalance in strength maybe

[kindred holly]

This could be them trying to dogpile on Thor or, if this actually happened, they got the will to collect these claims and put it out there.

[hasty grail]

lies run faster than the truth

[frosty spear]

At some point you gotta learn to get past it, to move forward either on your own, with friends and families or professional help

[hasty grail]

also takes time to refute the lies

saw the thing pop un in another discord, figured people here would talk about it

[kindred holly]

Power imbalances can also be social and psychological. Someone could use their status and experience against the other. That is literally how this works.

[hasty grail]

going to classify it as "stupid drama" and move on by the sound of it

[kindred holly]

Imma be real, that pretty foolish, but you do you.

[nova bough]

its...drama. some of the texts between them, lyric has taken some interesting takes from them. if y'all do read through it, read the links to the actual texts.

[frosty spear]

Social maybe but from what I gathered it was over the internet and if you let people over the internet dictate stuff to you then your screwd in more ways than one

[hasty grail]

alright, since the WoW drama, it feels like every few weeks someone makes a mountain out of a molehill

[proper phoenix]

U talking as if getting pass the emotional damage is such an easy thing to do. Its hard
very hard to move forward with this kind of thing

[blissful imp]

Some Twitch ToS changes https://twitter.com/TwitchSupport/status/1932113143204921702?mx=1

Twitch Support (@TwitchSupport)

We've added Enforcement Notes to our dangerous driving, unauthorized sharing of private information & gambling Community Guidelines.

As a reminder, Enforcement Notes are not new rules or policies but additional examples & clarifications of what is already enforced.

🔗

X · Jun 9, 2025, 4:30 PM

[proper phoenix]

This will not be enforced fairly dw

[kindred holly]

This.
Therapy is helpful, but it's not a one and done thing. It lingers.

At the end of the day, I don't know what the hell is true with this. I'm going to wait.

[blissful imp]

i know

[frosty spear]

It might be my balkan, eastern europe sensibilities but I think some people might be to in their head to allowed on the internet

I could maybe understand it for people that are actually there in you life

But to let people online get to you

[proper phoenix]

If thst emely or whatever her name was is still allow to stream on twitch despite almost causing an accident idt twitch gonna actually enforce this rule fairly

[proper phoenix]

I mean this isnt an online person tho

This were 2 actual ppl

Meeting and having a rls

If it even true or not

[frosty spear]

Did they know each other or did they meet over the internet?

[proper phoenix]

😭bro just read the doc

[kindred holly]

According to them, they met online then in person. It's in the doc they posted.

[frosty spear]

Don't really care, plus I need to get back to studying

[frosty spear]

If that's the case at that point I'd consider it self inflicted harm. It would depend for how long they did know each other and the relation they had before that. But hey asking someone you trust for a second opinion on random people can prevent a lot of situations

[frosty spear]

Not everyone is interested in the private drama of people that happened between two adults 7 years ago. At that point might as well drag everyone to a tribunal for stupid stuff they did when younger

[proper phoenix]

Self inflicted harm

[late bane]

[frosty spear]

As long as no repeat offense happened from either person then the problem is somewhat superfluous

[frosty spear]

I mean suport you local balkan gang for both moral and physical support/j if you're meeting someone you have no other friend or family or neighbor to vouch for them

And no online friends do not count for vouching

[indigo wadi]

The heck is even happening

[proper phoenix]

U talking as if those allegations , even if it was true or not, can just be sweep under the rug just bc either party wont do it again is kinda disingenuous

[frosty spear]

Idk

[kindred holly]

Jesus

[proper phoenix]

Sure u can say dont take those allegations at face values
But dont ignored it either

[frosty spear]

People do dumb stuff all the time

[indigo wadi]

Someone give me the 411, cause I can't make heads kr tails of this

[frosty spear]

Some people just seem to have a lower tolerance for it

[proper phoenix]

Sexual drama

At worst

[indigo wadi]

Oh lord

Is it even worth discussing?

[kindred holly]

Basically, a new allegation against Thor came out claiming he emotionally abused him and used him sexually about 7-6 years ago. It came out on Twitter with dm receipts.

[frosty spear]

It was between adults apperantly

[kindred holly]

No idea what's true exactly, but it's pretty worrying.

[indigo wadi]

Sus, probably photoshopped

[kindred holly]

I'm waiting to see Thor's side at this point.

[proper phoenix]

Some part are a bit exaggerated but some of it are pretty damming allegations

[kindred holly]

I'm not dismissing it yet.

Even if some of the lesser aspects are true, it's still shitty on Thor's end.

[plain widget]

Even if behavior is technically legal, it's still pretty gross of Thor to do, especially in his 30's

[proper phoenix]

thats kinda a shitty response from u no without even reading what the allegations is ab

[indigo wadi]

I ain't believing anything sexual abuse related. Far too many people get falsely blamed for it.

If it did happen and it was illegal, cops should be involved. If it wasn't illegal, then the other party is either butthurt over something or is trying to drag Thor through the mud

[indigo wadi]

Because I do not take sexual assault allegations at face value, period.

Especially if it goes on twitter

[vague palm]

They're not even screenshots they're just some HTML template. I find these very hard to believe as evidence heh. I can freaking select this text. Also what app even is this supposed to be, this sure as heck ain't Discord.
And that's all I'll say on the matter, the "evidence" seems... weird.

[proper phoenix]

It wasnt sexual abuse
It was emotional abuse
But it did start with a sexual relationship

[indigo wadi]

Even more sus roflmao

[indigo wadi]

Still incredibly suspicious. There needs to be more than just DMs as those can easily be faked.

[kindred holly]

That's very sus

[proper phoenix]

Thats why i should advise everyone to not take side in this matter until all is fact checked

[frosty spear]

I mean being stupid isn't really age specific it's more experience specific. That why I was talking about repeated behaviour because someone can do something without thinking about it to deeply but if they don't change it after they were made aware of it and even repeated the behaviour then they lost the benefit of the doubt

[proper phoenix]

This drama at worst is just a sexual relationship gone sour

[indigo wadi]

If your first course of action is to post it on TWITTER, you've list 99% credibility to me unless there's HARD evidence backing it up.

Heck, one could argue that one could assume they were emotionally abused when they weren't and they just didn't understand the nuance.

[plain widget]

"Oops, I accidentally murdered someone! It's my first time officer, so no worries. I learned my lesson :3"

[sacred junco]

remembered me of the recent sexual allegation against florescent over at the valorant game changer circuit

[proper phoenix]

😭

[kindred holly]

Apparently these are telegram archives that were saved in the past. No idea how something like this would work, I never used Telegram.

[frosty spear]

Well did you do it with intent and can they prove it

[vague palm]

As far as I know Thor doesn't really use Telegram for anything but work-related communications, but eh, okay. I can see that. Telegram does have some kind of export feature.

[proper phoenix]

I mean where else can u post thst kind of thing

[indigo wadi]

Also Thor has been Hella busy on the daily for what, the last decade? I doubt he scheduled teh sex in there lol

[frosty spear]

To a lawyer

Maybe

To the police second

[indigo wadi]

Maybe not online and deal with it personally. Posting it on Twitter just feels like drama bait for no reason

[frosty spear]

To your shrink 3rd

[kindred holly]

The accuser has a website collating their accusations with sources. It's pretty thorough.

[indigo wadi]

Uh huh

[frosty spear]

Yeah drama on the internet is still stuff on the internet

No matter if it's reddit, xiter or blue whatever

[proper phoenix]

All of this despite how bad it sound btw is legal
Best they gonna do is say u are an adult now u deal with it
I have seen my fair share of abused victims reporting it to the police just to see nothing being done just bc both party are consensual adult

[frosty spear]

Or your website

[frosty spear]

I mean, emotional abuse is harder to prove and also technically different depending on everyone's tolerances

And also doesn't leed to imediate harm

Some people do make a show of it and exagerate it also which primes people to disregard it

[kindred holly]

Not to mention documenting abuse in general is incredible difficult, especially if it's not physical. You could screenshot convos, but you need to be fast and thorough as hell and even then there's a good chance you won't be believed. It's traumatizing as hell.

I know people who have gone through this. It's a damn nightmare.

[frosty spear]

Maybe don't get into those situations just saying especially if they're with just online people

[proper phoenix]

thats just being shitty no
The website is just a place for them to have all their documentation saved
To chalk it all up as an internet drama just bc they have all their doc saved on an website is just being disingenuous

[frosty spear]

If it's with people in your like make an escape plan or talk with them

[frosty spear]

You really like the word

And in a few minutes you yourself can make an website with all the evidence you need to damn someone with the power of ai

[proper phoenix]

[kindred holly]

I f-ing can't

[proper phoenix]

The single point u make from that is i like the word disingenuous?

[frosty spear]

Yes

I don't exactly consider online evidence all that convincing science it can be forge in a few minutes

Get a psych to give a statement or a friend even

Get it as close to the events, not immediately

But close, not 7 years later

[proper phoenix]

Unrelated to this whole drama thing
I dont think u ever felt how it was like to be emotionally abused and how one go through this sort of thing
So imma just head out before this make me any more uncomfortable talking ab the situation than i already am
Last note: dont take any side ppl not until all fact are checked

[frosty spear]

Should have stayed talking philosophy in the game dev section

Best of luck everyone

[minor nymph]

Same shit he tried ~5 years ago same shit today.
This time with a website instead of a google doc.
More nothing for the burger-pile.

[indigo wadi]

And I've seen false reports, both police and online ruin people.

[river cargo]

is the part about you having a big hog true thor?

[indigo wadi]

I've been sexuallt abused sub-18. I've been in a 3.5 year controlling/manipulative relationship. I've had a stalker. Not once have I ever been motivated to take that online to try and ruin another person. Because I am way above that.

[indigo wadi]

Wait he tried this BEFORE?!

Christ almighty

[minor nymph]

I love that every cancellation attempt is just people posting shit that wasn't effective 5-20 years ago again hoping it will catch now.
Shaye and I fought against this dumb shit back then and a lot of people came out to defend the both of us including this dudes then BF.
Parasocial behavior is a hell of a drug.

[vague palm]

Well, Twitch did enroll him in the PP Plus program.

[hasty grail]

Thor, i hope you are safe, sane, and have a good night

[minor nymph]

Yeah I'm fine.
Just working on the ferret YouTube transfer.

[indigo wadi]

Can ppl just be...sane?

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-lick-mlem-cute-funny-gif-25264237

[hasty grail]

no

[ember ember]

[nova bough]

this is the internet. no sanity ti be had

[ember ember]

Impossible for some

[neat thorn]

thats too much to ask for!

[kindred holly]

Is there a way to fake Telegram archives? I'm not sure how that would work.

[hasty grail]

photoshop

[minor nymph]

It's literally a text file lol

[proper phoenix]

Yes that have very much happen
Lyric can either be a shit person fabricating false evidence just to dogpile on thor to pain him in a more bad light bc of recent drama just for clout
Or they are not
That i wont know until the fact are all cleared

[vague palm]

Well, yes -- this is just HTML. You can write it yourself.

[indigo wadi]

Always a way

[vague palm]

Edit the text and off you go

[proper phoenix]

Can be easily manipulated

[frosty spear]

On the internet no

[proper phoenix]

Very easy to manipulated in fact

[indigo wadi]

Well Thor already commented on it, it's a nothing burger

[hasty grail]

I hope you are doing well, Shaye

[frosty spear]

In real life face to face and around people you know and trust yes

[azure knoll]

And it was just HTML the first time he tried this as well

[proper phoenix]

That is the same as asking bezo to send me 10 billions to my bank account
Not gonna happen

[minor nymph]

This

[azure knoll]

There was never anything "real"

[river cargo]

the big hog wasn't real 😮

[minor nymph]

Hogless and soggy

[plain widget]

So all the texts and stuff are faked? That's wild commitment

[azure knoll]

He also love bombed the shit out of me at twitchcon, nonstop PDA, nonstop touching me, got stressed out if I told him to stop, inviting me to his hotel room, I had never spoken to him personally except for some messages in stream

[river cargo]

now im even more curious of what is actually real

[proper phoenix]

Do u think this gonna be a big enough problem for u to make an official statement of some sort just to say your side of thing
Many ppl are gonna take this and dogpile on u even more

[vague palm]

Like let me be clear, this is literally all it takes:
Which is why it felt suspicious to me you know.

[kindred holly]

This is gonna show how little I know of html coding, but I thought that was only on the client end, right?

[proper phoenix]

Bee arent supposed to fly 😭

[vague palm]

Yes, but -- if you have the Telegram exports, those are local files on your hard drive. You edit them and save the changes, then reupload them

[kindred holly]

That's true, I guess

[proper phoenix]

What the bees ever done to u ( i got sting by a wasp once not fun )

[minor nymph]

We were actually friends but the dude wanted to be with me and doctored a bunch of stuff when I wouldn't go through with it.
Then charge-backed all their donations as a way to get back at me and PayPal being a stellar platform complied with it.
Whole thing was fucking terrifying back then because it was the first time I had to deal with insane parasocial shit.
This was in like... 2020ish and it's just now coming back out because I'm an easier target with a larger platform now.
It didn't work then and based on the internets reaction it won't work now.

Kind of broke down to "if this is true who gives a fuck" and "if this is untrue who gives a fuck" in terms of reactions then.

[azure knoll]

When this originally happened several of our friends -who were hanging out with us the ENTIRE time at twitchcon- spoke up about it and how weird he was, like they asked me if I was dating him because he was all over me nonstop

[minor nymph]

Also this.

[sacred junco]

damn, it's another florescent situation again, if you know you know

[kindred holly]

Florescent?

[minor nymph]

When he couldn't get with me he tried to get with Shaye LOL

It was fucking wild.

[frosty spear]

Did you

[river cargo]

It doesn't make sense that he is claiming financial abuse when he was refunded both the 800 and 3k from kickstarter

Like he didn't lose any money, so how can he claim he was abused/scammed by you two?

[proper phoenix]

Perhap a tweet saying your side of the story
Ppl are absolutely gonna use this to dogpile on u if they dont know the detal and just saw a person posting an allegation

[minor nymph]

They are going to do so anyway.

[neat thorn]

people sadly just believe whatever truth fits them better

[kindred holly]

Something that's really f-ing gross I've noticed is that he claimed that you were pursuing him while you were married and leaked either your ex's actual name or someone else. No idea if that's actually someone's actual name or not.

[azure knoll]

It doesn't matter what he does regardless because people don't have the ability to make conscious decisions or think critically, they don't care about "sides"

[minor nymph]

The post has been out for 3 hours and only has 400 likes.
Honestly no reason to give it fuel at this point.

[river cargo]

Ngl if you go to reddit the top comments are all people like "here is my history of criticising piratesoftware's behaviour, but I don't think he was in the wrong here"

[minor nymph]

Let him burn his story out again and come back to do it again 5 years later like he did last time.

[river cargo]

The only interesting part is the big hog allegation

[proper phoenix]

Not as much as i think it is. I have read online comments and there are alot of ppl who despite not liking u have call out all the exaggeration in the doc

So ig ppl can make objective opinions sometime

sometime

[minor nymph]

Yeah I saw that even on LSF and was surprised.
They are usually just out for blood but people saw through this one which is nice.

Also this is fucking mind melting to watch

[frosty spear]

On a side note, all this talk about html reminded me when there were some news like a year ago here in romania that people were hacking the government with it and old people not understanding it

[proper phoenix]

😭 the new generation is cooked
So much brainrot

[sacred junco]

so I followed the esport side of valorant
recently, some allegations of sexual misconduct were alleged against florescent, a trans player in the game changer scene who recently got promoted to tier 1 circuit.
but the document from the victim lacked receipts about the alleged misconduct. The whole document are just full of recollections of past events, quoted texts, but no screenshot of said text or communications.
Flor came out with a response later will full receipts to refute the claims, and then the victims deleted the twitter account that posted the original allegation document.

[hard jackal]

I read all of it. What a load of nothing... I want my time back.

[kindred holly]

"Grok, is this true?"
Grok: "Maybe, but did you hear about the white genocide in South Africa?"

[kindred holly]

Ahh, gotcha

[proper phoenix]

Racist watermelon

😭

[frosty spear]

That's why I didn't do it

[minor nymph]

Don't worry, he will post it again in 2030.

[proper phoenix]

!Remind me in 5 years

[river cargo]

I'm surprised you read LSF, you are their #1 persona non grata

[sacred junco]

Absolutely dumbass opinion from me, I would like that kind of results happen with this one. Thor refute with all the receipts.

[river cargo]

I think in the history of that sub, there is nobody more criticised on their than you lol

[vague palm]

I mean he has to so that he knows what fresh bs he has to deal with today...

[azure knoll]

The problem is that he knows we don't have receipts because he nuked all of his chats before he tried this originally so we couldn't save anything

[minor nymph]

I read -everything- out there.
Only surprises I get are when I wake up to drama that happened while I was asleep.

[proper phoenix]

Eh

[azure knoll]

It was heavily planned

[timber vortex]

god that's insane

[river cargo]

Like, destiny, h3 and hasan fans all agree to truce and hate thor lol

[frosty spear]

A true mark of succes that is

[azure knoll]

Not like there was anything but like, normal convo / convo about stream etc etc just everything gone

[sacred junco]

Welp 🤷‍♀️
I shall not participate any further, just wishing you lads peaceful days ahead of the shitstorm that might hit

[dire burrow]

Over WoW, of all things.

[vernal stone]

That's when we tell people that you feed your mods bread.

[proper phoenix]

I would say thor more so become the flavor of the month for the lsf peeps
After that its just back to hassan ethan and destiny fan having a dick measuring contest

[late bane]

I can't even scroll up to catch up

[sacred junco]

that

[river cargo]

It's worse than flavour of the month

they bring up every single drama on every post

[dire burrow]

It's been 6 months. It's not just a single month.

[late bane]

Ah lsf bring spiteful humans again

[minor nymph]

Yep, half a year of shit.

[river cargo]

it's "heartbound has not been updated" & "another false DMCA" & "dude lied about his career"

and then you get pyrocynical, xqc, destiny, asmon, react channels, entire gaming subreddits like league/wow reacting to it

[minor nymph]

My favorite one is calling me a "nepobaby" thinking I only ever worked at Blizzard.

[timber vortex]

god, they have too much time on their hands if they're continuing on for 6 months

[minor nymph]

Ahh yes, the classic PirateSoftware nepobaby career checks notes where he hacked power plants for the government.

LOL

[river cargo]

I don't think the nepobaby stuff gets brought up very much tbf

[proper phoenix]

Think of it as like an exotic food
That sub entire identity is just hassan ethan and destiny fan fighting each other so when a new face showed up with new drama they just decided to dogpiled on him for entertainment

[minor nymph]

That's because automod bans everyone saying it.

[late bane]

I love that story just for the bit on when you boss was wondering why you were talking to him your dad

[river cargo]

it's mostly just heartbound, dmca, lacari etc.

[dire burrow]

The fact that the subreddit that insults the person featured in any moderately popular clip is still around is surprising.

[sacred junco]

ethan the h3 guy and not the craksgameplay guy right?

[minor nymph]

The Lacari shit actually sucks.
We did a bit the day before about a dagger.
Roleplayed it all out and it was funny.
I was continuing the bit the next day and it upset him and I had no idea.
Never knew he was mad until I saw a video of him yelling FUCK PIRATE SOFTWARE and ripping a poster.

[timber vortex]

dang thor, i can't believe your dad has that much power to get you into the DoE

[minor nymph]

That "bullying" was literally a continuation of the dagger bit.,

I thought it was kosher to be real.

[river cargo]

honestly should just find the footage and reupload it to debunk him

[kindred holly]

"OUHH, HiS dAd GoT hIm HiS jOb At BlIzArD"
Meanwhile, Blizzard in 2009 which is a big ass company at that point: "Thor's Joeyray's son?"

[winter sierra]

what is going on

[minor nymph]

Tried, nobody gave a shit.

[kindred holly]

fec I'm late

[river cargo]

The entire drk section was people going "but pirate is also a huge hypocrite for being an ass himself"

[proper phoenix]

Drama talk hour

[late bane]

Im typing out of my ass here but from other clips of that guy and stories from other people about him, I fear he may need actual mental health assistance

[winter sierra]

oh did something happen recently?

[hasty grail]

old stuff reborn

[winter sierra]

mmkay

[kindred holly]

More allegations came out. Debunked pretty quickly.

[minor nymph]

No clue on that honestly.
I had fun with the dagger bit with him so like, eh.

[late bane]

For sure, he's just a guy you met in a game

[azure knoll]

I met a blizzard artist at work today who worked there since 2014 and I was like do you know Thor and he was like idfk who that is lol

[river cargo]

I wish you talked to DrK about the lacari/moonmoon stuff during onlyfangs

[proper phoenix]

He prolly found it fun at first and then no longer

[river cargo]

and cleared it up then and there

people would probably stop bringing it up as "legitimate criticism"

[frosty spear]

Aren't the addressing the allegations kind of videos more for new people? Because from experience people who are vocal about hating something online kinda make it a core part of their whole personality

[kindred holly]

Lol I hear someone repeat that and I'm just thinking "you realize that they worked in two different departments in a big ass AAA company, right?"

[minor nymph]

With LSF on shit they just clipped everything and took control of that narrative.
Nobody gave a shit what I said or did.

[late bane]

Forgot I can't cuss here

[minor nymph]

But bro, my dad was John Nintendo.
He has all the power.

[azure knoll]

Two different departments on the same game they got the artists hidden in a closet

In the trenches

[late bane]

The net hates people who do good things

[winter sierra]

yeah people who hate things are more obsessed then those who like it. Its really creepy and i dont know why this is how the internet is

[river cargo]

I still don't think it's too late to take control of the narrative back

[late bane]

I just remember the Mr beast eye fiasco

[river cargo]

I mean this week pyrocynical AND tectone made hate videos

[proper phoenix]

Its the internet
We are somewhat mentally ill here

[river cargo]

can't imagine it gets any better when reddit makes you public enemy #1

[azure knoll]

somewhat

[frosty spear]

For those people short of a subversion campaign they aren't really going to change their opinions. Mostly because they can clip you saying stuff out of context faster that a normal person could comprehens

[minor nymph]

Yep and refuting shit takes longer than claiming shit.

[proper phoenix]

Iirc isnt that happen bc tectone is unable to guilt trip someone into not rolling a gacha character ot did he have another drama again lol

[minor nymph]

So by the time you respond it sounds stale

[minor nymph]

Wait wut

[winter sierra]

real life conversations are better then the internet in a lot more ways then i initally thought.

[late bane]

Your wrong because I feeel so, how can we fight that anyway

[river cargo]

yeah pyrocynical's "Huge New Pirate Software Drama Update" and tectone's "The PirateSoftware Drama got Worse.."

[frosty spear]

Remember some smaller political streamer that I follow had to learn to talk in such a way that the clippers couldn't get them. That why you have to learn to talk without rhythm /j

[winter sierra]

haha

[proper phoenix]

Oh 😭
I thought this is one of tectone anual gacha "drama" bs

[minor nymph]

While the OnlyFangs shit was going on very few people were kind to me.
I don't really know Tectone but he actually reached out to me and was really nice.
Dude makes a lot of drama content and I get the hustle, no issue with him.

For Pyro, we're actually on good terms and talk on Discord chats once in a while.

It's just hot topic slop vids.
Not hate content really.

[late bane]

Fair enough

[river cargo]

but the slop vids fuel the hate further

[winter sierra]

i hate drama channels more than anything. i hated them in 2018 and i hate them now. they do nothing good for the world

[minor nymph]

For sure, why do you think I don't do react content?
It just leads to slop vids.

[frosty spear]

Slop video just feed the trolls, it keeps the complacent, it makes them weak

[indigo wadi]

Tectone is friends with Asmon, no surprise honestly

[late bane]

I will, shamefully eat thoes react videos up

[dire burrow]

I only watch Pyro for his 2+ hour gaming essays. Great background noise.

[winter sierra]

idc if its a bad person, you're just bringing more attention to them. if the drama is agaisnt false claims then you are just being an ass

[river cargo]

I think the danger of these videos is both massive content creators are criticising you for half of the video, even if their arguments are flawed, and then the comments all latch on and criticise you further

[late bane]

Although now I guess with age I'm left asking...myself wait does this matter like at all

[minor nymph]

But yeah, people will spin whatever into "PIrateSoftware has beef with x"

[proper phoenix]

Tectone is to me is just another slop drama youtuber who just like to fuel the flame and make st big out of a nothing burger just to make a paycheck

[indigo wadi]

Being nice on discord and then making drama nonsense just feels two-faced to me

[minor nymph]

At the end of the day if I don't like someone I just block them and don't interact.

[river cargo]

and then it becomes 10k more comments about "heartbound has been in development for 9 years and pirate ran away with the money"

[late bane]

Heard you hate pancakes, gotta say I thought you were cooool man but buh

[frosty spear]

Mr software do you have beef with(in) your fridge

[minor nymph]

Tectone and Pyro aren't dicks to me.
Just content creators covering drama.
Both have been more than nice to me over DMs

[winter sierra]

so glad that we can do that. imagine the internet without it o.o

[proper phoenix]

Does jt really count running away when he is still stream almost daily

[minor nymph]

Fuck pancakes.
Waffles for life.

[late bane]

1000 years

[winter sierra]

100% agree

[river cargo]

but people don't see it that way, they don't understand that heartbound has monthly releases