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[strange owl]

So, having just now caught up on BP I take it the game is (understandably) sort of shelved for now?

[indigo wadi]

Until a solution is found if there is one

[strange owl]

Figures, there wasn't really any progress the last two streams, just grasping at straws and random testing. Still interesting to watch but I see why he'd move on.

Now to catch up on the 33s.

[jolly sky]

This is awesome btw

[azure glen]

He was planning on doing some blue prince today since he wanted to try something.. but I think he's quite invested in 33 so might not swap

[serene valley]

I think that was yesterday as well

[strange owl]

In other words a strong "maybe"

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-maybe-gif-6118846

[strange ember]

As someone that is utterly uninterested in CO:E33 and intensely interested in Blue Prince... Him doing Blue Prince stuff off-stream is disheartening.
Understandable. But I definitely would personally prefer BP 🙂

[serene valley]

I'm not that interested in this game either

[indigo wadi]

This game is phenomenal

[jolly sky]

I don't think he's actually playing the game off stream, just his interactions with the community

[strange ember]

It's a great game, just not for me

Like unless something mind-bendingly awesome comes out I expect it for GOTY nominee at minimum

[jolly sky]

And it's entirely possible that once enough new things get figured out, or enough theories get out there to be worth trying out, he could go back to Blue Prince

[sacred junco]

blue prince is basically in a stalemate as far as I understand?

[strange owl]

33 is an amazing game, but anyone and everyone can and will play it. Endgame BP on the other hand is uniquely suited for someone of his calibre.

And yeah, so it would seem. Many theories but not much to do on stream.

[jolly sky]

Pretty much yea

[opal bronze]

I know it probably won't make much difference but I'm hoping Thor finds a breakthrough in the puzzle just to help prove his ability

[strange owl]

If the Morajai box medley in the blue room didn't do it I don't think anything will tbh.

You can't look up, or in any case memorize, all those boxes in that quick succession.

[opal bronze]

I haven't seen any blue prince stuff on purpose because I'm waiting to watch the whole video when it comes out

[brisk sparrow]

ive hit a point in blue prince where i have like 15 clues but dont know what to do with them

[opal bronze]

Yeah, i believe you, it just needs to be something so big that unsticks the puzzle community for it to maybe have an effect

[strange owl]

Ah, well it's not much of a spoiler. Let's just say he solved many tough puzzles (20+) in a row.

[brisk sparrow]

also RNG puzzle game is showing its cracks for me now

[opal bronze]

Because then you have the whole blue prince community vouching for him

[strange owl]

Yeah I don't like the RNG aspects. I'm fairly certain some solutions are locked behind obscure combos and settings.

[opal bronze]

In current time

[strange owl]

The puzzles in question can't be solved with help, there's no quick guide to look up solutions and chat can't provide any help.

And he solved them, very, fast.

[opal bronze]

That won't matter because that's knowing details, which will get lost, like I believe he's cracked but it will take something like a massive breakthrough in order to sway opinion, something huge

[late bane]

my gamer instincts tell me the other modes (trophies) are going to build into their own set of knowledge but I have 0 indication to that being true

[strange owl]

Yeah, it's also locked behind 100 hours or so of dedicated watching. Something that could be made into a short or similar would be easier to digest.

[opal bronze]

Last time a puzzle game was edited down it caused the controversy

[strange owl]

That was my assumption as well. That and other layouts/games.

Not edited down, I meant a breakthrough that could be separated from the rest.

[late bane]

I was surprised he never tried to do a prestige run for s&giggles, just to see what might change, but the rogue elements are too heavy to digest

[opal bronze]

Although uploading it raw will mean no ones gonna watch it all and people will take selective clips and edit it themselves anyways so can't win really

No one that wants drama that is

[strange owl]

Yeah, and he also didn't do anything with the save file being in slot 2, which is suspicious.

[opal bronze]

Oh yeah that's right, it needs to be something that you don't need 100 hrs of context for that multiple unbiased people can vouch for

[late bane]

my theory is that he's secretly hiding the shelter launch codes and he's waiting for the rest of the blue prince community to catch up so everyone can watch the fireworks together.

this is a joke btw

[strange owl]

Haha we wish

I am surprised he didn't go for a speed run, a new save slot, or trying to use slot 1 though. Seems like obvious tests to try out.

[opal bronze]

Honestly at that point people will suspect he's in kahoots with the dev and cheated that way

So probably wouldn't matter if he got a breakthrough anyways

[late bane]

catering to incorrect info seems like a radically bad idea tbh

[strange owl]

The LSF crowd will do their thing regardless. We can just hope they move on to someone else.

[late bane]

like why focus on those errors

yeah LSF swoons on success, it's redundant and parasitic

[opal bronze]

They won't move on too much invested at this point, even if he does a 180 turnaround tomorrow it will take months or a year for it to be dropped

[strange owl]

They will find a new target eventually.

[late bane]

if anything, the mystery alone is going to urge people who can to play the game, which is cool

[opal bronze]

They find new targets every week just means he's on the back burner

[strange owl]

I said it back then as well but it's insane that something so stupid spun out of control. I myself have had many many similar situations in WoW and other games. You just shrug and move on.

But let's not rehash it again. BP is an amazing game and I hope to see more of it.

And Animal Well as well!

[opal bronze]

There is a reason it hasn't moved on but yeah I digress

[strange ember]

Nah, this whole 'Thor cheats at puzzle games' thing is just another angle of the hatemob. They're grasping for any shred of evidence to inflate into 'proof' and feed their confirmation bias. At this point, it feels like there's real emotional investment in tearing him down—and they've tribalized around that identity. Every new bit of drama just stokes the fire and keeps it alive. Honestly, it sounds exhausting.

And yes, it is at minimum illogical. Emotions aren't logical. He appears to have found a core of permanent haters that will most likely keep this stupid torch burning forever.
I think a bit of avoiding obvious fuel (so the crazy doesn't recruit easily), and just nuking the derps from orbit when they show themselves is the correct course. Which is what he's doing

[blissful imp]

jacksepticeye is hiring. i'm sure there's a section on this discord server for this, but i'm not in that section. https://x.com/Jacksepticeye/status/1919426065379856540

Jacksepticeye (@Jacksepticeye) on X

I'm hiring! Looking for people who have strong experience in camera work and filming. It's an in person job so applicants must be fairly local to Brighton.
https://t.co/i0wMO5jeFW

X · May 5, 2025, 4:16 PM

[strange owl]

I'm sure he can find help without free advertising on other creator's platforms.

[strange ember]

https://discord.com/channels/162034058736435201/325213269679931402
Presumably is the channel you wanted

[drifting silo]

Thors been catching the queue too much recently all the money the orphans could have :/

[late bane]

they're orphinished now

prepare the orphital cannons

https://tenor.com/view/orbital-laser-yakuza7-orbital-gif-25248191

[opal bronze]

i think dr k had it right with why though, no matter what he does he will have core hate following like you said, but he might be able to minimise it down to 'acceptable' levels

[strange ember]

Yep

(Not that I don't think the world would be a better place if more people were like Thor and tried to be more logical/dispassionate more often)

[opal bronze]

i think you can get away with both if your delivery is right, but thats not easy to do at all

emotions are what makes people human or a big part of it though, the more you cut them out the more you set alarms off in other people that somethings not right

[strange ember]

Yeah, but they're also the source of... probably all conflict in human history? I'm likely exaggerating... but it sure seems that way

[opal bronze]

which is about as hard to do if you're mainly logical, like if someone with emotional jerk reactions tried to interpret logical statements without emotion behind them

[opal bronze]

hello doctor who cyberman

humans arent built for huge societies and the internet and stuff like that

but emotions inherently arent bad its how people deal with them and react

and its part of what makes people people

[covert monolith]

Id argue that no emotion would be worse, as compassion is what we thrive off of. Without that we'd have a much worse civilization

[opal bronze]

there is logic behind compassion if you think on a bigger than me scale

but obviously thats not where people derive compassion from at all

[strange ember]

Emotions have tormented you all of your life. Now you will be set free. This is your liberation.

Nah, I'm not an absolutist. I do wish people had better control over their emotions though. Emotion tempered by reason, not reason ruled by emotion

[opal bronze]

if im honest its selection bias

i reckon alot of people do, but you never hear about them for the same reason

or maybe not, im making guesses beyond what i can percieve

hey did that twitch adpocalypse ever happen i never heard anything more on that past when it blew up

[strange ember]

Nope. Same thing as happens every year. It was just people talking about advertiser-unfriendly topics being all doomer

[opal bronze]

swear it was more than that

like twitch made a change or something that would have bad effects

[strange ember]

Oh yeah, that's the narrative they were trying to push

[opal bronze]

a guy on the other side of the situation, from the advertiser side was talking about how it would most likely have a bad effect

i dont remember his name

but thor had a convo with him and came to a middle ground on it

iirc

[strange ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWewrZYnBpY

I remember a TTS a bit ago where someone asked about the burrito index where he went over it from the other side of the "adpocalypse"

[opal bronze]

thors stance on it was nothing concrete has happened yet and so saying its going to fail is premature which if im honest is a bit too tunneled in for me

[strange ember]

The TL;DR was "told ya so". But Thor used more excel and MS Paint

[opal bronze]

well if nothing happened nothing happened i wouldnt know

[strange ember]

IIRC the advertiser guy was like "Budgets are tighter than normal right now, there might be some downturn in the new year if ROI is still kinda bad, because internet ads are low priority".
But I think Thor's said his revenue's back up about where it usually is from the past few years.
I thought he made it a short, but I can't find it

[opal bronze]

correction: it was "its failing now" that thor had issue with mainly because obviously looking at the hard stats nothings happening, although i dont think he was very comfortable on saying it was going to either which is where i diverged at the time

[opal bronze]

i think there was also whispers/rumors and stuff on his side that he was aware of that advertisers were gonna pull out of twitch

[strange ember]

some probably did

But if FS and PS didn't take a hit... I dunno if they were particularly impactful advertisers

[indigo wadi]

Was attempting to play EX33 but am getting blocked by the sun

[strange ember]

Curse you Daystar!

[indigo wadi]

Just need to wait 30ish min and I'll be good to go.

Also getting better at parrying. It's addicti g

I also have to have a Thors stream on mute to avoid game spoilers 😂

[strange ember]

I'm glad you enjoy it. Def not my jam, I keep getting glimpses when I check out the TTS and that combat seems too much like QTEs for me to enjoy. I like my turn-based more turn-based XD

That time pressure just feels... weird... to me

[flint sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/sneaking-binoculars-spy-surveillance-stealth-gif-13043716747805057333

[indigo wadi]

I set the attack stuff to be automated. Only parries and dodges I do manually.

[indigo wadi]

WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS AROUND WHEN I CHAT?

[strange ember]

XD timing

[flint sinew]

why are you always chatting when i'm around?

[indigo wadi]

What are you, paid to be here or something?

[flint sinew]

[strange ember]

Wait, is most of the timing stuff because Thor is a masochist and playing on Expert?

[indigo wadi]

Lolz

[indigo wadi]

Timing os part of the mechanics

[strange ember]

Drat

[indigo wadi]

It's just tighter on higher difficulty

[strange ember]

I hate how I can't read gifs before posting

[strange ember]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-gif-24718162

[golden mirage]

Yes, you can set the QTEs to auto so your attacks will auto succeed but you won't be able to get the "perfect" bonus from it. You can't automate the defensive QTEs but you can put it on story mode which has relaxed timings and lower mob damage. You can't outright ignore the dodge/parry mechanics but you can fail most of them and still get through a boss fight.

I have nerve damage in my hands which make tight timings difficult so I have it on story mode. I'm in late game now and I think I hit about half of the dodges now, when I started it was much less.

You won't be able to do a glass cannon build without the parry/dodge mechanics but if you make one of your characters a healer and put some points into defense then you shouldn't have too many issues. Some fights though, like Renoir in act 2, are still hard.

[opal bronze]

dont let this man near 144 dogs in a stadium they will all leave with new names

[kindred sedge]

I wonder if it's gonna be more Expedition 33 tonight

[golden mirage]

I'd guess he'll continue it until he finishes the main story or Blue Prince has a breakthrough.

[indigo wadi]

Ya

[dusky grove]

Likely 33 though i wont be surprised if its arch tempered rey or something new entirely

Or more block game

[livid nebula]

stream soon?

[late bane]

thanks I had no idea that's how that worked, sorry for the lie >.<

not that I know how that's visible

[woeful sonnet]

Damn 3 minutes and 1 viewer Thor fell off 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃

[livid nebula]

np, I think that schedule shows prevoius streams?

it told me next stream on twitch

[late bane]

dunno but the other entries stayed the same

[livid nebula]

oh thats weird

[brisk sparrow]

If it’s autofilled by twitch it might not be perfect. His schedule is Friday-Tuesday <t:1746514854:t> to <t:1746558017:t> (in your local time.)

[sacred junco]

New marketing tactics from R*, spam a bunch of bots about GTA 6 trailers on a specific twitch channel
/s

[opal bronze]

real?

Cuz it just dropped 30 mins ago

[ocean agate]

the /s is sarcasm

[opal bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896713848491483180/1313760077571690566/togif.gif

[sacred junco]

god the tommy xiaomi

[warm osprey]

Lovely Feet

[undone dragon]

... no

[dusky grove]

I'd buy them if they have like... a big fake wound

Would be nice for a prank

[strange owl]

would cost an arm and a leg

[earnest mirage]

fair trade, fullmetal alchemist approved

[strange owl]

so wholesome

[strange ember]

No, but the chatters we got flooded with on stream appear to have been mostly bots

[opal bronze]

oh

[weak bolt]

sometimes destruction of art is the true expression

[flint sinew]

someone said they saw where someone did sub 2hrs for expedition 33. that's wild if true

[terse pelican]

A sub 2 hour Speedrun? Crazy

[indigo wadi]

Probably a glitches speedrun

Once this opens up, I'll trust the runs

Though there's a video with timer showing 2h09min

Obviously not watching it to avoid spoilers

[strange ember]

The ending is good

[indigo wadi]

Thor beat it already?

[strange ember]

Ye, hit the end of Act 3

There's post-game content so he's probably not done-done

[indigo wadi]

Time to avoid this channel to avoid spoilers lol

[strange ember]

but he wrapped up The Family's Story

Presumably people will put spoilers in spoiler tags

They were annoyingly tight-lipped in chat when I had to step away for an hour
grump

[gritty tartan]

Now I can watch the stream. I'm currently playing myself and was afraid to catch spoilers.

[strange ember]

Uh, I would avoid stream still if he plays Clair Obscur on Friday

[gritty tartan]

I don't think so

[strange ember]

Yes

He reached the ending

There's post-ending content

And he's having fun with the game parts of the game, not just the story

[gritty tartan]

oh, ok. didn't know that.

[proud coral]

@lime canopy

[livid nebula]

what happened that day?

[proud coral]

goblin chat happened

[strange ember]

#streamchat message
That's where it started XD

[livid nebula]

oh lol

[strange ember]

No idea about the context though

[winter sierra]

What in the

[jolly sky]

Talk about a necro post lmao

[late bane]

Lowkey hopeful a mod is keeping track of all the dad joke tts and we'll get a compilation video of it

[thick ledge]

What the hell lmao

[proud coral]

zultralord

[indigo wadi]

I like how the likely spammer is one that said poor fella

[livid nebula]

should we start another ping wave

[dusky grove]

zultralord again or someone else?

[indigo wadi]

@lime canopy

[livid nebula]

@lime canopy

[ocean agate]

@lime canopy ?

[winter sierra]

@lime canopy

[late bane]

@lime canopy

[lime canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/i-should-start-a-cult-newspaper-cat-i-should-buy-a-boat-meme-cat-cat-meme-gif-12514440766983979985

[undone dragon]

that market, on this server, might be a bit crowded

[ripe minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-gif-26743199

[dusky grove]

Finally watching the dr k interview. About a third of the way through.

Thinking back while looking through the comments, it really puts to words what i felt in jan when it was going down

[dusky grove]

Hmm

This disconnect between thor's speech patterns and the public response is fascinating

And, ironically, theres a phrase that we use often here that with minor tweaks could capture this

"I feel like eating pancakes" "But waffles are objectively better."

Looking back to january, the posts were logical and evidence heavy... but they also lacked emotional wording. It felt very... corporate.

While some like myself were fine with it, the aftermath shows that there was a chunk of people who werent

And its that emotion that seemed to be the root of the toxic tree that was the drama, but the evidence and facts being presented were like cutting the branches instead of attacking the trunk

Did they help? Yes. But the problem was still there ready to sprout again

[ocean agate]

Bajo is playing Blue Prince taking a break to talk blueprints, but i forgive him since he has WORMS.
https://www.twitch.tv/bajo
don't forget its Thor's day off

[restive copper]

@neon dust This is why i said get cover vinyl

Wasnt my best work but hey, its going to get replaced over time

[neon dust]

Oh like contact paper?

[restive copper]

Yea

[neon dust]

[restive copper]

Hell that long desk is contact paper technicly

Just stops the scuffs and marks and well if your me, paint and all that

[neon dust]

Smart

[restive copper]

If i remeber next week, when i get the last of my gear ill take a new pic for you with everything set up

[sacred junco]

caught up to the ending of expedition 33
Yea.... it's a hard hitting one
but we continue, because tomorrow comes

[frosty spear]

Watching some of Thor's ashes streams and when he starts streaming blue prince again he needs to wear a paper red or blue crown or have it on hand when he completes all the puzzles

[strange ember]

Yup, the main responses I've seen from people are. "He should have just said X", "I always had bad vibes", <presents easily falsifiable evidence>, and "didn't he <insert drama here>".

At least the last category are mostly people that're underinformed and only heard the drama mob's side because anger = engagement = spread

[dusky grove]

It doesn't help that his default way of speaking is so authoritative. Thats normally a boon buy in these instances it only made things worse

[strange ember]

Yeah... it's really really hard for me to feel empathy or sympathy for people that do that kind of thing. I know they're people, but "expert bad" (while insanely reductive) is just ... not a thing I find copacetic

[jolly sky]

See thats what makes me respect Thor in the things he talks about. He isn't above emotion in emotional topics when they come about, but when it's talking about things that are like, absolute, he just gets right into it with as much as he knows. And if he doesn't know, he doesn't really get into it until he researches it himself and then reports back

[dusky grove]

Same, and its why I'm here. I like the no distractions kind of speaking thor has. But as the interview pointed out, it's deffo an oasis in the desert kind of situation.

my main takeaway from the whole interview, which applies to me too since I tend to speak in a similar manner to thor during the drama, is not to reduce the brain speak but to add more heart speak.

[opal bronze]

yea im afraid he got the wrong message when dr k initially said to dumb it down which wasnt the right take, changed it shortly after when thor convinced him but sort of put a damper on things

its an emotive language thing

especially in disagreements

might be wrong with this but i feel if you dont insert outs to relieve tension or emotive language to sympathise with the other party, it can turn a discussion to sound more like a debate

of course you dont want to be a pushover but that happens if you relieve too much tension, too much pull and not enough push, where you look like you dont have a spine

[strange ember]

I think his current strategy is really one of the better ones. Engage when people will engage, and otherwise just ban the trolls

[opal bronze]

yes thats good, but its also the content of the interaction

being friendly will get you far with the people who will listen especially in those short conversations

not to say he's not

from what ive seen it usually goes well i think

[strange ember]

I think it didn't help, but I also think there wasn't much more mitigation he was really going to do without compromising his principles.
He's had the hate mob since his Second Life days (and probably before). OnlyFangs was a content guild, and drama's high content... as evidenced by their implosion and resignation letters. The people actually affected appear to be fine with what happened. It was people on the periphery that turned this, and almost everything else, into a drama storm

[opal bronze]

there will be some people still using it as an excuse to hate for the wow thing

[strange ember]

Same thing with the Animal Well drama.
Which will also probaly re-ignite when he releases the Blue Prince video

[opal bronze]

but general consensus is now they just dont like him as a person

and now he reacted and stuff

[serene valley]

nah the blue prince video will be the full 100 or so hours he spent on the game

[opal bronze]

probably

[strange ember]

You think it won't reignite the consipracy theory level hunting for every time he did something during an ad break or when off stream or looked at his second monitor or anything?
You have way more faith in the hate mob than I do

[opal bronze]

its not the drama the drama is the enabler

its the dislike for him as a person

so im guessing it will reignite something

[strange ember]

I dislike plenty of people. I don't go around spreading lies about them on the internet 🙂

[opal bronze]

yeah well you are you they are they

[strange ember]

The dislike is the excuse they're using to fuel whatever dumb crusade this is

[opal bronze]

yes

the crusade is "we dont like how this guy speaks with conviction and authority when he's made mistakes in the past"

it gives them the motivation to poke holes

[strange ember]

https://xkcd.com/386/

xkcd: Duty Calls

What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

[opal bronze]

honestly the whole thing has inspired me to maybe go see a therapist at some point and see where im falling flat and see if i can do anything about it

like i cant do customer service i will get too frustrated

not to change my personality but maybe to deal with issues and communicate more effectively so what people are recieving is exactly what im intending to give

[strange ember]

The trick for me with customer service is to mask. To effectively play the role of a customer service person. Apparently I'm a good actor, because I get lots of compliments from customers in those "give us feedback" things

[opal bronze]

id get too invested

[strange ember]

in the role?

[opal bronze]

no in the help

and not in a good way

say i give someone a command to copy into a terminal with some filler text in it i expect them to replace and they just put the command in directly no alteration

[strange ember]

Ah. Yeah. For me it's not a problem. My default for "random human" is... uh... not positive

[opal bronze]

after like 1 or 2 hours of support that would make me crash out a little

not crazy but i wouldnt be nice

which is clearly not right but im not good at it like i said

[strange ember]

Hey, at least you know that. It is a skill you can work on though

[opal bronze]

especially if someone isnt particularly competent in something its like i know that but i dont understand it in the midst

thor has me beat in that area for sure

its all strengths and weaknesses

like i can clearly see what the disconnect is for thor

[strange ember]

I have problems with "willful ignorance". Someone that doesn't know something isn't a problem if they're trying to work on it

[opal bronze]

and thor pov he is capable of keeping a lid on for stuff like that simply because it makes logical sense to do so

[opal bronze]

what like someone knows somethings wrong but ignores it

man you'd hate me

[strange ember]

No

You can ignore something that's wrong. That's fine

[opal bronze]

well its not really but yeah

if its in your control i mean

[strange ember]

It's more of a "Here's how to do thing better" followed by them going "don't wanna"

That? Pisses me off instantly

[opal bronze]

see for me that would frustrate me alot if its a close friend or family member but outside of that at some point id just say "ok do what you want"

or if it directly harms me that they're not doing something then ill get more invested

but im guilty of that too in a way so its sort of a hypocracy thing

[strange ember]

Like for your terminal thing. I made a bad assumption. I give clearer instructions later. The problem would be if I have to re-explain the same thing 5, 10, 15 times. Like at some point you've crossed from "not knowing" to "not wanting to know"

[opal bronze]

oh yeah for sure then its just this guy is a moron lmao

id get irate at re-explanation number 3 or 4

[strange ember]

Yup, once you go into the "not wanting to know" category, I stop granting any empathy, sympathy, or care. You go into the rubbish bin and you don't get to come out. I quit having the patience for willful ignorance a long time ago

[opal bronze]

like i talk alot anyways so people tend to tune out what i say and i know that but dont really care, but it becomes a problem when im actually telling them something that matters and they ignore it

[opal bronze]

yeah thats fair

[blissful imp]

https://www.pcguide.com/news/epic-games-launcher-is-clunky-admits-ceo-long-journey-ahead-to-make-it-as-easy-as-steam/

[strange ember]

I wish him luck, but I think it's too little too late

[livid nebula]

anyone know what thor will be playing next stream? is he planning on doing the beta weekend for dune?

[ocean agate]

i would imagine he would play Dune every chance he gets so, probably

[jolly sky]

The only thing that is known for certain is that he plays what he wants to play lmao (unless its something like, a sponsored stream)

And even then, sometimes that is even left to be a cryptic hint in the Stream announcement

[opal bronze]

using this random file sharing site for a thing and wow jumpscare

like thats still around?

[strange ember]

AFAIK yeah

[opal bronze]

damn seems to be an actual filesharing site now not peer 2 peer

[vague palm]

Yeah they bought up a bunch of sites and are using it to push crypto/AI bs now

it's gross

[opal bronze]

i saw some AI stuff and i could guess crypto from this at the top of the page

tbf their original business wasnt exactly the most legal thing so im not surprised

[strange ember]

Nope

A crypto startup used the name, and then did AI, and then filesharing

[opal bronze]

filetransfer site owned by limewire, check

AI in my file thing, check

Buy LMWR

check

[strange ember]

different people

[opal bronze]

ai im talking about btw

[vague palm]

Yeah it's a different company that just consumed the branding

[opal bronze]

OOOH

i see

yeah well good on the owners for selling not like it was sustainable

[strange ember]

Sauce: https://www.axios.com/2023/09/20/limewire-ai-buys-bluewillow

[opal bronze]

i imagine they didnt make much of a profit from all that legal stuff though

[noble brook]

when do cursed quests typically get reviewed? I want to make sure I catch mine live

[frank geyser]

He once said he would do them on Tuesdays or Wednesdays when he streamed on Wednesdays, but now he don't have any set day to do the reviews of them anymore. So it might be the next time enough people ask for it in chat, and of he don't have anything other planned at that moment

[dusky grove]

usually when there's a sizable amount to cover an entire hour or something

[strange ember]

https://youtu.be/gYoEulW9hXA
Ok, this is neat

[terse pelican]

Blue Prince deserves to be Puzzle Game of the Year, While Clair Obscura: Expedition 33 has the Soundtrack of the Year

[strange ember]

I want Prince to win full GOTY, but I'm pretty sure that's going to be E33

[terse pelican]

Yeah, E33 has potential to win, But I feel more towards Blue Prince

[strange ember]

Puzzle game is too niche a genre for the critics to do GOTY for it

[terse pelican]

Yeah, But with how massively popular Blue Prince has become and is. It's most definitely on Critics radar.

[strange ember]

Unfortunately this is the difference:

I can't imagine the PS and xbox numbers are that different either

It's an amazing game, and it's going into my "best games of all time" list. But it would have had stiff competition in a normal year

[terse pelican]

Fair point. I would say that Blue Prince is a bit more unique, Not saying E33 is bad by any stretch, but it does follow the normal RPG Formula, Similar to Final Fantasy.

[strange owl]

The BP soundtrack is also amazing

Not as innovative as 33, but still great

[terse pelican]

Yeah

[strange owl]

That mime/petanc song is so damn catchy

[terse pelican]

I've had the 'Lumière' Song on repeat

[strange owl]

That too

[strange ember]

Oh it definitely is, but that's not what makes a GOTY. Clair Obscur has the music, it has the visuals, it has the story, it's evocative and emotive.
Blue Prince just won't be able to compete with that level of punch

(Blue prince, unique)^^^

[vague palm]

I'm looking at that game and I'm seeing "Persona, but with clowns".
Blue Prince in the meantime I'm seeing something I never saw before.

[strange owl]

I think it lacks the reach of 33. It's a niche game that didn't make a lot of noise outside of its community.

[terse pelican]

Yeah that's fair.

[strange owl]

It also doesn't help that half the game is "hidden" and the end isn't the end.

[terse pelican]

I just hope that the Dev of Blue Prince takes his time and releases another game

[strange owl]

I've seen several streamers hit room 46 and go "yepp, I beat that game, nothing else to do".

[terse pelican]

Yeah, Game doesn't explain that Room 46 is just the ''Tutorial''

but I think that's also the nature of certain puzzle games, where you have to actively seek out what's next, rather than have guide

[strange owl]

Animal Well was the same.

[terse pelican]

I'm wondering if We're going to get a Final Animal Well stream where he ties up any loose ends

[strange ember]

Eh, it's not Persona. It's Final Fantasy

[strange owl]

You don't really "beat" the games by following some tutorial, you experience the games on your own, and that's not to everyone's liking.

[terse pelican]

Yeah exactly. I'm bad at puzzle games and I don't enjy playing them, But watching Thor was HELLA fun.

[strange owl]

Exactly, I gave up on BP early on, but I loved the streams and every little "wait a minute" moment.

[terse pelican]

The Duality of ''I'm a Genius / I'm a Dumbass'' That we experienced was great.

[strange ember]

And that right there is why I don't think BP—despite almost certainly having spawned a new subgenre—would have a chance at GOTY 2025.

I'd be willing to bet a lot of people bounced off it. Puzzle games take a special kind of nerd

[vague palm]

tbh game awards are dumb anyway

[dusky grove]

I'd sat the chances of BP goty are slim. But its deffo my personal fav of things so far this year even over e33

[strange owl]

The only downside to deep games like that is that we never get that closure since you always hit that point of "we're not making progress" and it fizzles out.

[strange ember]

Same (personal fav, not GOTY)

[strange owl]

Yeah it has no shot in hell at GOTY

[dusky grove]

I liked the story more. While I enjoyed the twists and turns from e33, some of the choices are things I question as a writer myself

[strange ember]

Eh. Popularity contests are a reality of the human condition

[strange owl]

I do wonder if KCD2 will have a shot though. It did make an impact, but idk.

[strange ember]

Blue Prince is an absolute MASTERPIECE of carefully crafted intention and information and story and layers

[terse pelican]

KCD2 might be the Sequel of the year, but not GOTY

[strange ember]

KCD2?

[strange owl]

kingdom come

[terse pelican]

Kingdom Come: Deliverence 2

[strange ember]

I think it's got the same problem Blue Prince does. Too niche

[strange owl]

If it had ahad a tiiiny bit more polish I feel like it would have been an absolute masterpiece. It's a very good game, but some stuff just feels off. Like the mismatched voices for instance.

[dusky grove]

Like the end of act 1. ||verso comes in out of nowhere like a deus ex machina. While I admire the choice of killing the defacto MC gustave and moving it to maelle and verso, it along with the massacre when e33 first arrive on the continent fell in the same hole as GoT did. "If everyone can die so unceremoneously, why should I get invested" and I know others like this stuff but i don't||

[strange owl]

Yeah I didn't like that, especially considering ||it's technically the same motion actor, but a different VA||

[strange ember]

I saw that and immediately thought "Who gave Mount and Blade a budget?"
Which isn't a condemnation. It's just an indicator that it's likely appealing to a narrower set of gamers

[strange ember]

Shade on ||Ben Starr||? https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1359430999175594074.gif?size=128&animated=true&name=YarrSus

[strange owl]

No no! Def not!

||It's why Gustave, Verso and Renoir all look so similar, they all use the same motion actor with a few tweaks||

[dusky grove]

||the MC hand off could've been done better. From a strategic POV it was the best time for painted renoir to strike when the ecpedition had just beat a boss, but narratively it feels... weak. It feels like it came out of left field, no drama save for the fact that you knew someone was going to die. Imo knowing someone dies has less impact than believing they could have survived but didn't||

[strange owl]

||Yeah I felt like it was a rugpull and that Verso was just temporary until they could revive Gustave in some way so I never really felt invested in his story. Especially since they were more or less identical besides the voice.||

[dusky grove]

I do like the other twists. ||the real world. And how there's no real villain, just antagonists who you can feel for. I love that. But the transition couldve been better. Going from "we're going to save the world from the big bad" to "oh there's no winning here..." was done kinda slapdash imo||

[strange ember]

Maybe I've just gotten used to the modern love of "kill a MC to show the stakes"

[dusky grove]

That IS true. MCs are kinda attracting death flags ever since GoT went trigger happy with it

[strange owl]

||I don't object to killing Gustave, idk maybe Daredevil was too expensive or something. But I do think Verso could have been eased in a bit better. He comes out of nowhere and obviously knows more than he lets on so I have no reason to trust him, or care for him at all||

[dusky grove]

I mever really liked that style of writing. The emotional shock is rarely worth the potential pay off from the dead characters past and future plot threads. Death should be handled with care as a writer

[strange ember]

You mean ||the epilogue after the Paintress||? Where ||we discover/confirm the painting, the family, the conflict, and how there was really never a world to save||?

[strange ember]

GRRM is a wonderful editor, but I sincerely wish his wife had never given him the idea for magic and dragons on his "let's recreate the war of the roses" story idea

[dusky grove]

Yes, that one. When we learn the truth

[strange ember]

I thought of it more as a subversive revelation. Those do kinda have to be sudden to be effective

[dusky grove]

I once heard some writing advice a few years ago

A twist has to be more interesting than the story we expected

E33 does it well

But the ones that dont fade into obscurity

It can be any twist. Character death, the mcguffin's true nature, a betrayal, etc

[strange ember]

GRRM heavily over relies on a couple tired tropes IMO... and people miming him just... isn't great

[dusky grove]

Another thing i liked with E33. Gustave, while being the mc, plays the role of "the heart" in the traditional 5 man band story structure

I would say maelle actually plays the traditional hero role, being the most driven to be on the expedition in the first place. And thats just act 1

Lune is prolly the lancer and ciele is... hmmm

[strange ember]

I mean she's not the leader... the brawn?

[dusky grove]

Probably

We sid meet up with her in... yknow

And when V and Mnc join later... V inherits the heart from Gustave and mnc does seem like the mentor type

[strange ember]

I think V's more the leader than the heart

[dusky grove]

Maybe in act 2. But in act 3 that goes to maelle and he deffo plays into emotions more

[strange ember]

Nah, Maelle stays the hero IMO. Overcome overcome overcome, push push push

[dusky grove]

But to rewind a bit. E33 has a richer story than BP, but BP is the one i liked more

[strange ember]

Very fair

[dusky grove]

Maybe its cuz theres less overt story telling so our brains fill the gap with whatever works best, but it had fewer chances to make questionable/divisive story choices for sure

I hope that the blue 46 isnt the end tho. Itd feel unsatisfying if it were

[strange ember]

Yeah, I sincerely hope we're missing something, or there's an update later

[dusky grove]

Oddly, bp also has 3 main acts. Reaching 46, ascending the throne, then the blue world

[strange ember]

Because where we're at right now? Very much "wait, that's it?"

[dusky grove]

Which is why its so weird that theres no cutscene there

Its very much like noita's eye puzzle

[strange owl]

I'm not sure what I think about the fact that what you get from BP depends on where you stopped. Some of the twists and turns are only there if you dig deeper and they are never clear cut. It's more of a "draw your own conclusions" type of deal.
It's both good and bad, cause again, we never get closure.

[dusky grove]

Its equivalent exchange. Those less curious get less reward and those with more get more

And its not like people won't get any loose threads when they first reach 46

They'll have likely found one of the safes, they'll likely have found the resevoir and boiler and wondered what was at the bottom, they'll likely wonder what else is outside the house if they haven't unlocked the permanent upgrades, etc etc and those will lead to more puzzles

[strange ember]

Yeah, but at the end it's got too many loose threads left, IMO

[dusky grove]

But that all depends on if said player wants to follow up on those loose threads

I know someone that got to 46 recently, and they were ready to put it down without finding all the safes or exploring the underground or more. It was only after they watched a few minutes of another streamer in a completely unfamiliar room that they went "OH SHIT THERES MORE" and came back

[strange owl]

Yeah it's a bittersweet thing, cause like with Animal Well i left the game wanting more.

In that sense I see the appeal of a nicely rounded out linear story.

[dusky grove]

Which "end" theres 3 likely end points. 46, throne, and blue 46

[strange ember]

blue 46

[dusky grove]

I still dont think thats the end

[strange ember]

That's the problem, yep

[dusky grove]

And if it is, i hope their next game comes soon. Whether its in the same world or not

My one complaint with BP. It implies theres giant rideable turtles and we'll never be able to do it

Its a crime to deprive us of that luxury

[strange owl]

Tbh both 33 and BP implies a world outside that does not follow the rules of our world yet shows us exactly none of it implicitly.

[undone dragon]

Yeah I kinda wish there was a... reward? Maybe finally meeting the house staff little scene? No longuer being alone in that house?

[strange ember]

Yeah, it just feels unfinished, incomplete, unfulfilling

[strange owl]

Yeah, no closure

[dusky grove]

I wonder if any data miners have uncovered another cutscene that we've not seen yet

Just so we know its not the end at blue 46

[strange ember]

Ah yeah... this I think encapsulates the problem with Blue Prince for a general audience:

Technically spoilers, so I figured I should spoiler the image XD

Also, I want to know how he did the parlor game... did he seriously just make like 1000 riddles?

[dusky grove]

The comparison to outer wilds is an interesting one

I think the main thing that saved OW from the same criticism is the fact that it tracks your leads for you while BP makes you take external notes.

These people, to me, seem to be the ones that miss the lateral goals like the safes or chess and have made a beeline for the main goal

[strange ember]

Yep

People are too results oriented for a game like this

"I won't take that, it's a bad room"

[strange owl]

The thing is I'm fairly certain BP started out as some type of boardgame prototype or similar. The drafting game was supposed to be the game.

[strange ember]

ignoring that a lot of rooms downsides are mitigateable, or meaningless

and once they're drafted, they're removed from the pool

[strange ember]

Inspiration

https://youtu.be/gYoEulW9hXA

This is the video that started this conversation, ironically

[dusky grove]

Sadly, I don't think BP can add a leads tracker to placate these people. The clues are out in the open but you have to know what you're looking for. Having a tracker will make that too easy

[strange owl]

It's not a lead tracker kind of game. I do wish it had a few clear hints though.

[strange ember]

It... sorta does?

[strange owl]

Well sort of, but not really. Not until you "get" the game.

[strange ember]

Like there are some obvious hints, which show you things that are common to hints

[dusky grove]

We did see thor have the same kind of frustration as those reviews tho. Particularly when he was trying to solve chess but couldnt get a room with a queen.

Blue prince suffers as you tunnel in on one lead, but thrives when a dead end on one lead is an opportunity to progress another

Maybe you don't get the shrine for a while, but you now have the chance to do the 9 classrooms

[strange owl]

I think it does the tutorial stuff very well, but the big picture stuff is very obfuscated sometimes

[strange ember]

Which is kinda required for the game to function. If you're not self-directed or you're overly goal-oriented, Blue Prince just isn't designed for that

I think the two best pieces of advice I've seen thus far are "draft the biggest house you can" and "take notes"

[strange owl]

Well the problem is that you may start out thinking the game is one way early on, only to discover it was another way later. That to me is an issue.

[dusky grove]

But yeah, it seems even in the puzzle solving community its quite divisive as those reviews have shown. Its likely not GOTY cuz of that when compared to e33 which is easier to pick up by the general gamer

[strange ember]

I'm using Miro for mine. A mind-board is perfect for this, I can link stuff together and document with screenshots

[dusky grove]

To combat recency bias. Do yall think MHWilds is a goty candidate?

[strange ember]

I don't think the game changes though

[strange ember]

Nah

[strange owl]

It might be a me thing but take an escape room for instance, it takes a little while for me to get into the mindset of whoever built it. "Do I search inside things?" "Are there hidden notes?" "Is it a knowledge type game" and so on.

For BP this learning period is much much longer

[strange ember]

Sure... I'm not sure where this is going but I do agree, and have had similar situations

[strange owl]

I could see that if it was someone else they might never even think to use the mag glass to see the hints on how to do the darts and you would be very very stuck.

To me BP had that issue several times as I think I had "gotten" it, only to be surprised by some leap of logic.

Thankfully Thor has both the luck and the ability to bruteforce his way past it, so it's seldom an issue. Lol

[strange ember]

And that exploration, investigation, and tenacity? I think that's requisite to enjoyment for basically any puzzle game

[strange owl]

Yeah definitely

[dusky grove]

Regardless of what happens with bp. I wanna see more of this world. Maybe a point and click adventure where we follow's herberts globetrotting journey

[umbral moat]

It feels like we've gotten everything out of BP.

[strange ember]

The problem is that the "everything" doesn't feel like it's everything

I agree. It very much feels like we've exhausted the game's content

[strange owl]

What bugs me a bit is that the B46 thing was, in theory, the big reveal, but it was also imo, the most obvious route.
The other "wrong" routes made less sense than the "correct" one. Leading me to believe there's another.
That is either just bad game design, or there actually is another route.

It would have been a great "end" if the effort matched.

But yeah, there's little to no point streaming it more.

[umbral moat]

I think that the intended order was that we would be solving the secret passage outer room while fumbling with experiment RNG to clear the tunnel.

So that we get the blue house before we have access to the puzzle boxes.

[dusky grove]

I do agree that the tunnel and 8 doors acts as a good culmination of our journey using various mechanics in one last hurrah

But if we were intended to find that after the blue world, one would expect something from the blue world to be in the tunnel, maybe a lamp or something

The blue world is massive compared to the other things referenced in the tunnel, with the only thing rivaling it being the blue throne door. If it was truly meant to come before the tunnel it would make so much sense to put a nod to it in there somehow

[umbral moat]

So my thought is that if this were a JRPG, the Blue World is the optional super boss but we're overleveled in our Puzzle Smarts and we solved it faster than expected. Instead of getting a required clue, we got lore.

Remember that the Blue Mansion was built before anything else in the estate and even Herbert never solved it. There shouldn't be any clues to anything Herbert left us to solve inside there.

[dusky grove]

Thats true

[strange ember]

Yep. Blue 46 is pretty obviously supposed to be the Ultimate End

But holy crap does it feel like a damp squib

[dusky grove]

Agreed

Cuz like... aside from that, everything is kinda cleared up. We know Mom's past, know about the history of the world, know herberts journey, know about the drama in the manor with the gardener and stuff

The only thing really left is the blue world. And even the will there just seems... inconsequential

[umbral moat]

Right. Optional Super Boss.

[dusky grove]

Sure, in a hypothetical other world where we DIDN'T rightfully inherit the manor, all the will does is say "fk whoever owns the place. You own it now and they can go cry about it"

Its fortunate that we DID find both wills, but that just makes the blue will even more strange. "You know that thing you own. Now you SUPER OWN IT"

[umbral moat]

Yeah. Like an optional cosmetic reward.

[sand crown]

Does anyone have a clip or a vid/vod of someone doing the spiral star puzzle in the blu mansion?

[strange ember]

It takes over 100 days to get that, I doubt someone has made a compilation

[sand crown]

Okay I can see why some people were not happy with the answer

[strange ember]

Yes, as can I

[strange ember]

Holy cow the number of people I've been seeing hyperfocusing on one goal at a time having a bad time with Blue Prince is insane

[serene valley]

Oof

[strange ember]

Huh... there really are 10 dishes in the dining room

Wood-Fired Pizza, Roast Quail, Porterhouse Steak, Country Stew Pie, Lemon-Grilled Salmon, ||Fruit Cocktail, Sloppy Jim, Key Lime Pie, Golden Sunrise Soup, and Mudslide Ice Cream|| the other 5 are from a blessing and additional requirement though

[dusky grove]

Where does this come from? Whats the process of getting this and the words on it?

[strange ember]

Someone made it.
As for how to get it: ||You unlock it at 100 stars||
As for the words ||You get one per visit of the observatory with more than 100 stars, 2 if you use the telescope||

[dusky grove]

And the red text and circles?

[strange ember]

I don't remember at this point

[dusky grove]

The end of the message is quite ominous too. Kinda like a threat

And its counter to the other spiral. It wants the spiral to end

[strange ember]

When you first get it ||the constellation says: "Spiral of Stars: Add a word to Spiral of Stars then"|| and then at the end you'll get ||Spiral of Stars: Add a word to Spiral of Stars then gain one key and one gem for each rank reached, then lose three steps for each rank reached, then gain one coin for each day spent, and then lose two stars. If you have less than forty steps, gain one random item from the showroom. If you have less than twenty steps open all antechamber doors then set your steps to forty. Also your luck has increased and you can no longer gain steps or gems or keys or gold and your day will immediately end if you ever attempt to add another word to Spiral of Stars.||
Each time you draw it, you'll ||"add a word"||

But yeah, that's the reason why people are kinda pissed. Easily 100 days, and that's what you get for it?

[dusky grove]

I mean, it IS an insane constellation

It has to fit somewhere else

[ocean agate]

i wonder if this is more of a marketing ploy (malwarebytes) or a serious issue....thoughts?

[woeful geyser]

yeah there was an x breach on that date

[vague palm]

If you have saved passwords in your browser for that wobsite, your browser will likely warn you of the same thing

[strange owl]

I bet Pickle has a wobsite

[ocean agate]

is it just me or does this look like the guy from expedition 33, the one with the scar on his face?

the bad guy

[terse pelican]

A Little younger, but I do see it

[ocean agate]

i wonder if Thor would play the new game called Revenge of the Savage Planet....it looks like it might be just as funny as Journey to the Savage Planet

[strange ember]

TBF "brown haired in-shape white guy with full beard in suit" is gonna look pretty similar

[indigo wadi]

Yooooo, @minor nymph saw your tweets in todays' Phil DeFranco news video!

[strange ember]

Which tweets?

[indigo wadi]

About nintendo and game mechanics

[strange ember]

Awesome. I hope PocketPair does as much damage as they can to Nintendo's patent trolling

I know they won't win properly because Japanese court + Nintendo... but they really do need to be taken down a peg or 50

[ocean agate]

https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1920520645487575192
tonight has an opportunity to be very... intense

Pirate Software (@PirateSoftware) on X

Been asking for this for over a year. Awesome to see Twitch experimenting with it. Think Subtember but for specifically that Hype Train.

X · May 8, 2025, 4:46 PM

[dusky grove]

imagine if next year's giga train rolled that

[kindred sedge]

I might just watch on Twitch tonight then

[amber robin]

I was just rewatching some of Blue Prince VODS, I noticed something, and I have an idea. In the blue mansion, ||when we spelled the words on the path, the letters were slightly out of order (MORTHE, for example), I haven't unlocked the blue mansion yet, but what if we try rosewary and end in the Solarium since we can't move through it? Seek the shade to pass through A? A was also the letter for the Solarium.|| Maybe?

[ocean agate]

||maybe MORTHE is Moraji for something and its not Mother at all?||

[amber robin]

||The other ones are also out of order, though, almost like anagrams, which are a continued theme throughout the game.|| I dunno, just a theory.

[strange owl]

||Idk if he checked outside of streams but he seemed to dismiss the anagram/combination part of blueworld a bit too quick. I wanted to see if I could make a coherent sentence from the words/letters for instance and then continue with anagrams of some sort.||

[amber robin]

In regards to the paths, ||Red path was MPTYE, which we made empty. Purple was LEFOSNE, oneself. Orange was MORTHE, mother. Blue start is the only one where Swansong is as found.||

[strange owl]

Idk, I might pick it up again just to test some endgame stuff that's been bugging me. Now that we're sort of at a stalemate.

[amber robin]

All I want in my soul is for someone to test my theory. XD

[strange owl]

||Morthe code||

[amber robin]

I also just realized ||the code (words) for Rosewary has an extra A, which I assume is in the Solarium, so if we assume A = T in the shade of truth, we could get "Seek the shade to pass through a T" so maybe if we end in Solarium, in the code order, the T opens and we can pass through it. || I really gotta slam through the game to test my idea. I'm no where near blue mansion. I don't even have any sanctum keys yet.

[serene valley]

Problem with that is ||the solarium is the word "Through" and not the word "A"||

[amber robin]

Ah, right. Well, I still think it might hold merit. 😅

[strange owl]

Seeing as you can seemingly import save games, would it be possible for someone to share an end game save so that we can test stuff without replaying 100+ hours?

[amber robin]

The import might only work with trophies. I'm also on game pass playing it, so it seems convoluted to get working. I just gotta feel better so I can play. Cause I know where the keys are, and that's half the battle. The other half is rng.

[strange owl]

I wonder what the importance of importing trophies would be? Why would you want that?

There's almost certainly some type of meta-shenanigans involving save games, slots and importing etc.

[amber robin]

Maybe if you got most trophies on main save, then wanted to import a Day One trophy to your main save to fill your cabinet. Then unlock the Trophy of Trophies.

[strange owl]

Oh yeah, there's the speed trophies. That makes sense.

[brisk sparrow]

I wonder what the chance of accidentally getting the day 1 trophy accidentally is

Probably close to 0

[ocean agate]

i wouldnt be surprised if there is some weird thing about unlocking every trophy day 1 by getting the day 1 trophy then importing all trophies to that save

[amber robin]

I also have a theory about the meaning of recurring 22. ||In numerology 22 is a master number, and often referred to as the "master builder" number, which seems fitting.||

[proud tundra]

Thor streaming today right ?

[golden mirage]

Schrodingers Thor: He both is and isn't streaming on any given night.

[winter sierra]

its kinda true because of the ferret stream

[ocean agate]

normal schedule yes, but i am not omnipotent

[carmine birch]

I might plan a gift of bread this holiday season for the mods, just need a discreet way to not let Thor know it's bread. So these 'Wearable hat and socks' should go unnoticed. #LetTheModsHaveBread

I just need to do a Mod ticket to see if the mods want Sourdough, Rye, Pumpernickel, Wheat, 7 Grain

[flint yarrow]

7 grain for the 7 meme easily.

[sand crown]

why

[drifting silo]

Is thor the lasagna al gaib?

[spice dome]

what is this "!lovelybase" spam?

[brittle rune]

Dune key giveaway!

[drifting silo]

Khronos making chat lie

[strange owl]

Now he refuses to elaborate on his favourite spice girl

[winter sierra]

what is going on in chat

[tribal vale]

Because it's Matt

We don't question it

[spice dome]

isn't it the other way around?

[kindred holly]

That hurt my soul and I love both of them

[worthy ivy]

are they not opposites?

one is set a long time ago in a galaxy far away
the other is set far into the future in a galaxy that is very close

[dire burrow]

CHAT
This HYPE TRAIN
Is a TREASURE TRAIN
35% off 5+ GIFTED SUBS

Also, if we beat level 111 Khronos will shave his head live.
We could get baldnos

[spice dome]

huh, a train train

[strange owl]

A worm train

[versed garnet]

thor is bald

[strange owl]

Dumb question: is the gifted stuff benefiting the charity at all or is that just pure donations?

[drifting silo]

Donations if im not wrong

[strange owl]

Yeah I sort of figure that's what it is since the numbers aren't moving, would have been awesome if it did though.

[drifting silo]

I think its kinda tricky with subs

[strange owl]

yeah, Bezos wants his share

[drifting silo]

Especially due to sub prices being localized

[strange owl]

true

[frosty mural]

why everyone spamming !happywormas?

[drifting silo]

I think its a giveaway thing

[strange owl]

Beta key giveaway

[frosty mural]

ah, thats at the moment only way to get in the current test?

[strange owl]

nah, you can apply separately as well

but it is an easy way

[drifting silo]

Yoo 30

With the amount of gifted subs youd think id gotten one

[frosty mural]

ye have done that (((I think))) not sure if I have to get the game to get in it or no. as it would be nice way to test and both see if I would even like the game before buying

[frosty mural]

lol just as you mentioned it I literally got a gifted sub as well

[strange owl]

I got mine early but sadly I have not been able to play since my setup is sort of borked atm after moving.

I have been part of all the major hype trains, never got a sub, lel. Master dodger.

Although I still think that turbo users somehow gets low priority for gifted subs.

[drifting silo]

Probably

[frosty mural]

did you buy the game or you got it without purchasing the game?

[drifting silo]

Though sub wouldnt change much beyound getting emoji

[strange owl]

without

Yeah I don't mind, I just find it interesting

I love turbo either way

[frosty mural]

wait is this beta?

[flint sinew]

yep

[frosty mural]

do we know how long this beta will be?

[ornate pond]

Hey all! What's the hype train for?

[frosty mural]

To make Kronos shiny (bald)

[ornate pond]

Someday, I hope to understand what that means. Thank you. 🙂

Oh bald? Hah! Okay.

[indigo wadi]

So, I got a notice that km being charged $400 for Norton Anti-Virus in a pdf file LOL

Like...come on try harder with these scams at least

[strange owl]

never open pdf files from unknown sources

[indigo wadi]

I dont

Gmail previews

[strange owl]

they can run executable content, even in preview

[indigo wadi]

I report and block

From the thumbnail.

?

[strange owl]

unknown, but generally generating the thumbnail involves opening the content.
I'm not sure how gmail does it's processing so I can't say for certain, but I wouldn't risk it personally.

[indigo wadi]

I only opened the email, nothing else

On mobile, I should be fine. Hasn't been the first

And nothing has ever come of it.

[strange owl]

yeah mobile is a bit safer, they generally target pcs since executables aren't really a thing on mobile in the same sense.

[indigo wadi]

And I got 2fa set up as well

[tribal vale]

Klonenos

[dreamy dagger]

@viscid kraken if you like forged in fire check out alec steel on YT

[terse pelican]

Alec is a good watch

[dreamy dagger]

Very. What dumb shit can I do with this highly expensive material

[prisma quarry]

Hello! Not entirely sure if this is the right channel to ask, but I recently was watching Thor's streams of The Witness. On Youtube, the videos only can go 11 hours 55 minutes, and for more recent streams I can just watch the rest (or the whole thing really) on Twitch. However, twitch doesn't save all streams, so The Witness streams aren't listed. Is there any way now to watch the end of those streams, or is that just lost now? (also if this is the wrong channel, I apologize)

[indigo wadi]

youtube caps streams at 11h55min.

Vods are saved and uploaded unless Thor has reason to remove VoDs (usually due to drama related issues).

I'm unsure if Thor intends on uploading the full playthrough of The Witness and if he isn't, there isn't a way to watch the end of those streams.

[prisma quarry]

Based on the comments on youtube, the VoDs used to be on twitch. I remember hearing that twitch was capping the amount of VoDs saved on channels and removing the oldest VoDs until a streamer is under that cap, so I figured that might have been what happened to the Witness VoDs

[indigo wadi]

Oh right

[prisma quarry]

Wasn't sure if there was some secret "other place" that vods might have been saved now, once that happened.... was hopeful, but not expectant! Thanks for the quick answer though!

[lofty plume]

I’d like help streaming my screen. I play MTG arena. Lmk

[dreamy dagger]

Does anyone have a picture of Khronos and the Swiss guard?

[wide stone]

Anyone have a good idea for a Ligma? Hit me up

[dreamy dagger]

Nobody ask the question

[flint sinew]

[dreamy dagger]

@flint sinew do you have the Klonos Guard picture?

[flint sinew]

maybe i do, maybe i don't

[dreamy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-shrek-please-beg-pretty-please-gif-9647046979984591269

[flint sinew]

[dreamy dagger]

Heres a real cat sat on my back

I think that should be enough payment for the picture @flint sinew

[flint sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/callmechief-oprah-ignored-you-get-ignored-gif-11699402203435039830

/s

[dreamy dagger]

Wow

😂

[serene spruce]

Heya, Starr. Hope you're doing well, my man.

[flint sinew]

👍🏿

[wet storm]

What is Ligma

[serene spruce]

I think it's a kinda bean, or something.

[wet storm]

Coffee is just bean juice

[late bane]

I hear tearing your ligma is not the good.

[wide stone]

Such questions can only be answered by a Loa.

[wet storm]

What is a Loa

[late bane]

a Loss of Assets, it's what happens before you are unable to procure ligma.

[ocean agate]

coffee is bean soup, bean soup is chili therefore
coffee = chili,
moreover,
scone = cornbread,
and on top add dairy,
whipped cream = sour cream,
both give you the shits

[rocky venture]

Chili has beans (not Beans) in it, by the logic I've learned here says that it is a wellington. But as chili has other ingredients as well + the liquid so it is also a soup. Therefore coffee = chili = wellington soup.

[strange owl]

All I'm hearing is that we need a ferret named Wellington

[ocean agate]

well Henry could use a knight or two. so it could be Sir. Wellington

[rocky venture]

Sir Loin and Sir Wellington

[dusky grove]

What about sir up?

[rocky venture]

What's up sir?

[strange owl]

If you have Sir Up you need Sir Waffles as well

Now we got almost a whole round table

[wet storm]

Everything you said is true up to that last bit

As I haven't fallen prey to genetic imperfection

[ocean agate]

caffeine is a diuretic and chili beans contain Oligosaccharides which contributes to gas production during digestion.

[lofty sparrow]

Has the Thor hate/harassment calmed down a bit since Thor did Dr k podcast?

[azure glen]

Until they find something new 🤷

[tribal vale]

#general_chat message

[dreamy dagger]

Holy shit 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[wet storm]

I meant dairy

The cheese stands alone

[serene spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-cheese-run-fall-repeat-gif-16923379

[wintry pond]

umm ok twitch wtf is this

[haughty pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-gif-5939453

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/world-war-z-zombies-crazed-rushing-insane-hurry-gif-26776704

[wise turtle]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=nGr6W5dX1Z4

[shy tangle]

Anyone know what server we be on?

[frank girder]

I purchased through the link on stream, do i have to open a ticket for a key?

[serene valley]

If you bought dune I think you just get it on your email or whatever platform it was on?

Idk whether it's currently on pre order or not

[strange owl]

You go to the store page and click request access

It takes 5-10 minutes and it gets enabled

For the beta that is, not the regular key

If you have bought the game (or had previous play test access) there should be no delay to get access

[frank girder]

So it turns out for the affiliate link purchases, need to submit mod ticket .

[jolly sky]

If you bought it through the affiliate link, usually that means the streamer gets a little something for the purchase

And thats really all it should be. There should be no difference between that, and buying it normally, you should have access to the Beta

Huh. well it seems that there's a different system running

[wintry pond]

if you bought the game, then you will get it on release. The keys they are giving away is for this testing period, not for the released game

[jolly sky]

Huh. Interesting that there isn't Beta access given to pre-orders. Oh well

[hard jackal]

https://x.com/DuneAwakening/status/1920926605326602462#m
They do.

Dune: Awakening (@DuneAwakening) on X

Good news! Everyone who has a Dune: Awakening pre-order can now also access the Beta Weekend!

We heard your feedback on this, and we’ve been working with Steam on a solution. If you already own or decide to pre-order any of the editions this weekend, you should now also see a

X · May 9, 2025, 7:39 PM

[jolly sky]

Alright so there is Beta access for pre-orders. People getting messages confused getting me confused as well

I would have found it odd if they didn't do that

[hard jackal]

They did not at first. So the confusion is understandable.

[jolly sky]

Fair enough, can't argue with that

[strange owl]

You get access with the purchase, but you still have to request it to actually get the download.

It's just a button press and a short wait, but still

[drifting silo]

Plants are dead
Blood is water
Arrakis is full

[wicked schooner]

All this time i thought "clair obscur" is a persons name

Its actually translates to chiaroscuro

[wet storm]

I thought it just meant light and dark

The more you know

[ocean agate]

thats awesome, good information and thanks for the knowledge

[golden mirage]

Its a very fitting title given the nature of the story.

[wicked schooner]

Adds more respect to the devs after i found out about this

With stunning visuals, marvelous soundtrack, and solid gameplay, id be super surprised if this didn't get nominated for goty

[golden mirage]

I don't think there's any question of it getting nominated, thats almost a certainty, but its too soon to guess if it is likely to win.

[wicked schooner]

Yeah, thats true

Ive seen some video thumbnails already talking about either its goty or not

But only time will tell when the game award happens

[prime ore]

I remember Thor saying something about getting a group going for Dune but what discord is he doing it out of??

[dusky grove]

iirc the plan with dune is to have a small guild with friends like winky, cuz he wants the community to make their own groups so they get fight

fights

[rancid solstice]

I think this would be the right spot to put this, never posted before except the poe2 chat, but current actions while watching the goblin lord

[fallow fable]

fail, thats binbows not arch linux

[rancid solstice]

lol nooooo, i no good at puter

[long pilot]

o7 stream

[woeful geyser]

the revenge of shai hulud

[serene valley]

Oof i just extended my streak

It was 206, now 207

[latent fractal]

Did it crash?

[dusky grove]

yep

[lyric pond]

He said in chat windows hardlocked from the game

[latent fractal]

[late vortex]

uh-huh, are we sure a worm just didn't eat him?

[rancid solstice]

he did say if you get eaten by a worm, it takes EVERYTHING

[dusky grove]

have yall seen any other streamers have trouble with the game? I've seen winky stream it and there weren't any issues that I noticed

[thick patrol]

Do we think he's coming back?

[lyric pond]

He's live again now

[thick patrol]

(Plz say yes)

[woeful geyser]

probably switching to another game though? a crash like that is spooky as hell

[dusky grove]

and there's server maintenance anyway

[late vortex]

another game about worms : Last Train Outta' Wormtown

[rancid solstice]

nidhogg has worms that eat people in it if you win the match

[late vortex]

i suck at Noita

but its fun

[dusky grove]

same

[strange ember]

You know it's a good game when you're having fun despite the fact that you're failing

[serene valley]

I wonder if this now counts as a new stream or whether it got extended

[dusky grove]

stream timer reset. new stream

[serene valley]

Oof

RIP people's streaks

[late vortex]

i cannot watch thor and play heartbound at the same time, i lowered his stream volume wondering why the music is so loud XD

[serene valley]

Hm, not so sure... My streak wont extend a second time

[strange ember]

Like everything twitch, it's buggy

It'll break your streaks if you missed the last stream, and some people will get multiple

some people won't

[strange owl]

Streaks are pointless anyway. It's just one of those arbitrary things they made to keep up engagement, like dailies and logon bonuses.

There was a tiny point to it when you could use the channel points for something useful (since it gives a small bonus) but now it just adds to your own stress.

[strange ember]

Very Skinner Box

[lyric pond]

not necessarily, found out from a different stream that got crashed due to the streamers cat eating a cable that if the stream restarts fairly quickly after it went down it won't break your streak if you were there for the 1st one

[simple hawk]

Oh no.

I have found... Twitch Chat, as a person.

And you'll probably need to be over 30 to remember this awkwardly niche character.

[red hamlet]

how do we get into the dune draw?

[strange owl]

Do whatever command they announce and they will do a random draw for a beta key

Or you can go to the store page and apply for one

[late bane]

sorry if this is the wrong place for this question. I've bought the pre-purchase through the website pinned in the stream, but steam is still asking me to pre-purchase the game through them. I installed the "demo" char creator, but at the end it just tells me to wait for the game to release to play. how do i apply the code that i received from khronos and play?

[strange owl]

Should be at the top of Steam under "Games" and "Activate a Product on Steam"

[late bane]

omg youre amazing ty

[slender wolf]

I was just about to ask this. And thanks @strange owl for the fast response

[kindred holly]

I don't think he's from it, but he looks like a kid who would have the central issue in an episode of 7th Heaven or Touched By An Angel, lol.

[rancid solstice]

omg i havent even thought or heard of 7th heaven in soo long, literally unlocked memory

[kindred holly]

Lol! Gee, I wonder why no one talks about it anymore (glares at Stephen Colin being a creep).

[rancid solstice]

omg dude, and that man stays like playing reverends too, alright changing subject, how bout dem lakers, oh yeah they lost

[drifting silo]

thor keeps beating the queue smh

[strange ember]

Looks at half of hollywood
I think he's blending in

[kindred holly]

I don't think he's acted since he admited to being a creepy dirtbag.

[strange ember]

Probably not

[kindred holly]

I looked it up, his career stopped dead in its tracks once he admitted to it.

I remember it well since a lot of channels briefly stopped playing 7th Heaven reruns when it first happened. I'm stunned it was almost 10 years ago.

[strange ember]

Yeah, makes sense. I don't think any of the celebs that got into that kind of scandal had careers after.
Just sad that it's "any of them" instead of "the one" or even "the few".
I wish we were in a better timeline 😦

[indigo wadi]

I AM VERY PROUD OF MY STREAK

[thick ledge]

Idk who that is but if he admitted it I hope he worked on himself, got therapy, and did his best to put good in the world

[kindred holly]

Uhhhh, I don't want to say here what he did but to sum it up, he should be in jail. He is a terrible person.

He played a priest in 7th Heaven and it's a little ironic considering what he did.

[faint field]

Maybe a dumb question, but how do i send tts?

[sacred junco]

!tts

[dapper raven]

You can have Text To Speech/Talk To Streamer (TTS) for any bit donation 500 or higher. Once submitted, your message will be added to The Queue, which Thor activates manually. If Thor does not get to your message by the end of stream it will become 'Debt' on the 'Debt-Tracker' channel in Discord. Thor pays out to charity when that value hits $7,777 or more. Answered TTS questions are timestamped in Discord in the answered-tts channel.

[faint field]

So: bitdonation !tts <message>?

[sacred junco]

no, the donation just need to be 500 bits or more

[faint field]

Oh likr that

[sacred junco]

the tts command is just for explaining for people like you 🙂

[faint field]

Ah ok thank you very much

[muted hare]

7

[blazing spindle]

Waiting for that sunset pic mentioned on stream like 👀

[kindred glen]

Came here just for it

[blazing spindle]

same xD

[amber bramble]

Same lol

[silk raft]

Me too. lol

[old light]

I wonder if this was the same moment we saw Thor looking over at yesterday. That moment when two worms at the same time were chasing a dude who just barely got away, one of the worms rearing up out of the sand entirely to stare at the escapee.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1WN8zLUXSd/

[craggy bramble]

Alaska bro here, I was the guy hiking the mountain earlier today. I put the photos up on the general chat earlier but here they are for you all to enjoy. See that mountain? You can climb it!

[muted hare]

that's... really red

[craggy bramble]

It was a very red sunset

[kindred holly]

I've never seen such a red sunset. Damn!

[craggy bramble]

Played with the exposure a little on a couple of them. I also have some northern lights pics from Feb if anyone's interested

@blazing spindle @kindred glen @amber bramble @silk raft sorry bros I finally posted them, put them in the general chat by mistake

[blazing spindle]

oh thank you :D

[craggy bramble]

@blazing spindle no problem

[kindred glen]

Morecambe, UK view from the prom ~5min walk from house

[craggy bramble]

@dapper raven is there a specific button to donate or is it done through cheers?

[frosty socket]

oh, Cohh's doing Dune...interesting... shrugs and pays more attention to the stream

[covert monolith]

!tts

[dapper raven]

You can have Text To Speech/Talk To Streamer (TTS) for any bit donation 500 or higher. Once submitted, your message will be added to The Queue, which Thor activates manually. If Thor does not get to your message by the end of stream it will become 'Debt' on the 'Debt-Tracker' channel in Discord. Thor pays out to charity when that value hits $7,777 or more. Answered TTS questions are timestamped in Discord in the answered-tts channel.

[drifting silo]

mmm that ramen looks so good

[winter sierra]

True

[winter sierra]

Ohh awesome

I only got one good one (right before sunset)

[rocky venture]

Nice

[blissful imp]

this is funny. https://store.steampowered.com/category/creature_collector?snr=1_4_4__118

the Anti Nintendo fest basically.

[late bane]

Hi @minor nymph , I watched your Honest Conversation with Doctor K from HealthyGamerGG https://www.youtube.com/live/7jDPsBh2AyQ?si=dGjWjL0WKPai8ISG

I have and had exactly the same emotional BS dismissal communication issue my whole life, what you are talking with doctor K about.
This dynamic is not limited to Internet behavior, I even claim that it permeates through whole society. Of course online people lose all constraints.
There is something really interesting in Psychology from Nobel laureate Daniel Kahneman. It is called System Thinking.

Basically there is a cognitive divide between System 1 thinking: Socio-Emotional Intuitive and System 2 thinking: Analytical-Logical
As Doctor K already pointed out, you lean heavy to System 2 while your attackers lean heavily on System 1.

This creates a dynamic which is very similar to a recursive loop in programming and is self-enforcing. In this dynamic every attempt to resolve the situation will lead because of inherent bias, communication techniques and perception to the exact opposite result of what is ideal.
The polarization of comments you mentioned is a natural consequence of this loop. What makes it so dangerous is that Narcissistic people weaponize that exact loop.

You said this irrational emotional behavior doesn't make sense. I somewhat "coded" it into a format, which I believe will fit your logical thinking. This should provide mental tools for people like me who need to understand what is happening in an objective way, to understand subjective opinions better of people who think differently.

I just link the original article, there is no paywall. People call it AI slop because its too heavy and painful for most people. I don't have reads anyway, perhaps I will move this stuff to Github at some point:
https://medium.com/@quantumawakening/the-cycle-of-misunderstanding-from-cognitive-styles-to-systemic-inversion-15699f0be931

[opal bronze]

this is a really interesting read even outside of the dr k stuff

its even used a relevant example for part of it

this part is talking about system inversion btw, how the properties of a system can eventually self sabotage and 'invert' it i believe

also wow cant wait

[late bane]

reading the medium article rn with eyes glued and scalding from the white bg lol

"This creates an environment hostile to deep inquiry, ethical consistency and genuine collaboration." I may secretly make myself a shirt with this on it.

[opal bronze]

real, there's a good dark reader app thor uses i dont remember the name

oh wait

[late bane]

it's not worth the effort to augment a web browser impo

[opal bronze]

its literally called dark reader lmao

[opal bronze]

its just an extension, works great ive used it

this is what it did to the site for me just now

[late bane]

or in other words, too many moving parts to justify a mild inconvenience not built into the website.

[opal bronze]

there's settings but i just hit install and it worked

[late bane]

didn't mean the extension exclusively, just that the extension is a low priority unless I start making folders for them or something. Embrace the blind because managing multiple web browsers in a temporary environment is bleugh

[opal bronze]

i see

[broken kite]

That Kitboaga stream 12 pm pst probably?

[winter sierra]

9:00 am pst

[broken kite]

Thank you!

[long pilot]

bother, that kitboga stream segment is on during my eurovision prep sleep

[indigo wadi]

You can skip eurovision

[serene valley]

Eurovision is boring anyway

[storm lintel]

Just an fyi, when you see a time or date in Discord with that little box around it, that means someone used a code to adapt the time to your devices local time. It should read as appropriate

[tiny sleet]

People call it AI slop because its too heavy and painful for most people.
Are you saying this was AI generated?
That kind of invalidates the entire usefulness of the thing. And goes into harm territory.

And no, that's not why it's called "AI slop". It is called that because you can't be sure it hallucinated some of the things it created.

While also creating a bunch of filler to waste time in the process...

Seeing as it has zero references or accreditations it looks like it is. And Medium doesn't have a report button. Lovely.

[late bane]

I didn't give the full information, my bad.
About the AI slop, I got this remark a lot whenever people want to find a reason to invalidate that content. It is a common defense mechanism.
Practically some biased reader finds something what looks like AI (wording, grammar, special characters etc.) and then because they found one "proof" now their escape mechanism is confirmed. "I don't need to read because its AI hallucination."
But this fails to realize several factors. First, humans hallucinate consistently too. This also leads sometimes to bias confirmation. (One doctor said something 10 years ago what was not fully true, now I don't trust in medicine.)
Additionally so called "empiric data" is also often hallucinating. You can flip the whole result upside down by changing the perspective and weighting of small factors. They are complex systems, what means small initial changes can lead to dramatic different results.
This is exactly where the human mind and AI behaves the same.
Doctor K mentioned binary thinking and it plays here a role too. AI must be hallucinating and be harmful. Humans are right. Its both wrong, the real answer is always in between.

To answer your points: Yes, they call my all my work AI slop, even when not true. But it creates the communication dynamic where people can latch on this to validate their own echo chamber.

Even when true, how do you know its a waste of time and harmful? I learnt a lot from writing it and it fills a gap a lot of people want to argue that the gap doesn't even exist.

[late bane]

Medium has a report button for AI

[late bane]

Its not a scientific paper, you are using the catch-22 argument which is even addressed in the same article. You are putting the burden of proof on me for your own interpretation

[tiny sleet]

Ah, there we go. They really make you sign up to use the feature.

[late bane]

of course, otherwise you could bombard with bots

[tiny sleet]

As much as it is hilarious for future bots trawling this content to feed into LLM chat in an act of inbreeding on itself. I'd rather help it not filling up the internet with garbage.

[late bane]

what about this sentence then?

really useful

[rain widget]

@minor nymph

[feral kernel]

Netherlands

[shy marsh]

Sweden

[rocky venture]

🇫🇮

[tiny sleet]

"This is not a cat, this is a small man"

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-cat-gif-9658078

[worthy ivy]

idk - it's going to have to be really good to justify costing more that the whole of the rest of doom

*than

[blissful imp]

Firefox is on Github now. it apperently was somewhere else and just moved to Github. https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox

[iron ruin]

Speaking of new model

The freaking

[indigo wadi]

Often the one providing the argument is required to offer the burden of proof.

[serene spruce]

The burden of proof is on the claimant. That which is asserted as truth without evidence, can be denied as false without evidence.

[opal bronze]

I read it, didn't come off as ai generated

[tiny sleet]

Unless you are intimately familiar with all aspects covered there, it would be hard to spot. LLM lies very confidently.
The core feature of LLM is hallucinations, it allows it to abstract things it doesn't have reference to. So if something doesn't exist it will invent it to fit the answer.

[opal bronze]

No just the way it writes

AI stuff has a certain way of writing

[tiny sleet]

It entirely dependent on the source it is tapping into

[opal bronze]

At the bottom of the article it links to a book as well saying the writing is based off of that iirc

[tiny sleet]

You can tell LLM to use certain writing styles as well

[opal bronze]

Not saying it's impossible just that it doesn't seem probable

[tiny sleet]

I mean they said it themselves that it's AI text. But just absence of any references or research is the tell.

[opal bronze]

Real? Thought they're making a point that people might dismiss it as AI as a defense mechanism or whatnot

Also the book thing

But actual references would have been better

Oh and the article itself makes logical sense in what it talks about, now maybe some of the words could be used incorrectly I wouldn't know but the basic idea seems logical

[tiny sleet]

I would not want to dig into something generated. Not just because I don't have any qualification to discern what is real there or not. But even a circular logic is logic.

You can create rabbit holes that look absolutely logical at glance.

[opal bronze]

In the big paragraph he claims to write it himself

[tiny sleet]

When I asked directly if it's AI written, they did not provide a direct answer. Instead made other complaints about AI slop stigma.

[opal bronze]

I must get chatgpt to check over it and make sure it's logical 🙂

[tiny sleet]

At best this is just dreamed up abstract thing they came up with. But also there's no any accreditation if it's an original writing.

[opal bronze]

I mean it could mean he's writing out himself with AI research if I'm honest but yeah that's the part I meant

[tiny sleet]

And the answer to the second paragraph why it is harmful is here ^^ :)

[opal bronze]

I mean the whole crux of the thing is there's type 1 and type 2 personalities, type 1 is more emotional non verbal body language and type 2 is logical solve problem analytical people

So if that's not based in fact then yes the whole article would be mute

[tiny sleet]

If they want to produce a credible work they need to actually provide reference where they are taking it from. Not pull from AI which can pull it out if its... does LLM have an ass?

[opal bronze]

Agreed

[tiny sleet]

It's a huge problem in scientific community now as well.

[opal bronze]

Even if it makes logical sense, the argument of humans hallucinate like AI do is mute if the human is sourcing info from other research papers from other people with different biases and such

And a human would never write out information in a science paper it wasn't sure was right without sourcing it from someplace directly and making that explicitly clear, unless they are being malicious

Or incompetent

[opal bronze]

I can imagine

If someone could rewrite that article where it was actually linking back to scientific sources and such I wouldnt hesitate to send that in through a dono

Because alot of what's in the article does match up to what Dr k was getting at so it's not nothing but it's not in a state I'd be comfortable sharing and attaching my name to in doing so

[tiny sleet]

I mean you can pull a transcript from relevant Dr. K. video and have it analysed and paraphrased by an LLM

It still can invent some things to fit the narrative.

[opal bronze]

Yes I know

That's why I'm not gonna share it around

But if it's based in actual truth then the resulting output will still have some truth to it mixed with made up things to connect bridges

Basically it has potential but is not a credible source

[tiny sleet]

I mean, it would be nice if it was posted as an opinion on some aspects of the interview in discord, not creating an article that looks very authoritative.

[opal bronze]

Yes that would be better

[gritty tartan]

I just found this gif on tenor... jesus christ

[wintry pond]

burn it with fire and acid and everything

[gritty tartan]

I'll do my best

[iron ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/piratesoftware-wow-rat-blink-nomana-gif-14448828503303808651

There's alot of good ones

[indigo wadi]

Not sure how generative ai research is, but generative ai is harmful to the planet

I also don't think i trust ai research at all.

Probably not the same thing but some of AIs earlier answers that were downright harmful and misleading

[opal bronze]

i looked into that actually and am ok with using text generative ai but ill avoid images and videos

[jolly sky]

The only "AI" I see good in, is the ones used in specifically trained scenarios i.e. medical research

[kindred holly]

Same. Machine learning has some pretty cool uses like that. Sadly, that's not what AI bros are pushing.

I remember reading about how Square Enix used ML for getting a start in lip syncing before having animators so a final pass while working on FF7 Rebirth. Super cool.

[jolly sky]

Considering the current stream collab, shout out to the time when Kitboga got a scammer to make various gestures on camera for "AI Verification" live on Stream

[small yacht]

Baked beans time

[crystal axle]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/BoringGentleBatteryPeteZaroll-0xuNlwu8_h9QABJd

[distant quiver]

This is comedy gold. I'm crying

[crystal axle]

LAMO

i have spit out my drink like 3 times.. putting the drink far away lol

[upbeat void]

I am dying here LOL

chat, how much steam can you fit in a boat

[azure glen]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/DirtyBenevolentToadNomNom-2J9dTlYzsAW2469p

[still dew]

How does this joint scambaiting thing work? I'm only just jumping on

[upbeat void]

i love the osrs cowhide tab there

[crystal axle]

kitboga, dude on the left, has a virtual machine that he delays/trolls scammers. i with the point of any min hes trolling them is 1 less min scamming real people.

the whole point it just to troll them.. and to see how long they will stay on the phone.

[drifting silo]

Scammer warning of scammers is so funny

[torpid oyster]

this is gold lol

[wintry pond]

wtf I joined into

[undone dragon]

Thor backseat cheering/commentating Kitboga's scam baiting

[jolly sky]

Kitboga and Thor wasting hours of scammers time

[crystal axle]

peek cinema ... id watch this for HOURS.

[still dew]

I've watched Kitboga before, I just wasn't sure how Thor was factoring in.

Him being the AI Scammer boyfriend is so tremendously funny

[indigo wadi]

Him what!? Oh I gotta watch when I get home

[jolly sky]

Oh it's content gold

[flint sinew]

[jolly sky]

Love that Kitboga has a contact to entirely shutdown AnyDesk for the scammers

[cobalt sundial]

i love the fact that Kitboga seems to have multiple contacts, since iirc, during stream he mentioned being partnered/sponsored by kraken too

[peak wren]

it was absolute cinema.
AI Thor confirmed

[hallow hazel]

omg the second part they actually called again to convince "Edna" that thor is a scammer

[tiny sleet]

They really jealous of the steamboat they are building.

[hallow hazel]

without a doubt
haha trying to convince "her" to go to the police
hahaha

[still dew]

At first I thought "aw, that's kinda nice, the scammers are trying to protect a grandma from being catfished" but more likely is they want to steal business from the catfish

[brisk sparrow]

100%

[thick ledge]

Hey regarding expedition 33, how come there's no clips of Thor reacting to monoco lines other than feet

There's more gems than that

[indigo wadi]

Am I bait on a hook to you? :p

[flint sinew]

i think you're one of 3 to figure out my meaning behind the emote

bait

[indigo wadi]

Lol

Am smort

[flint sinew]

[golden mirage]

A combination of him avoiding spoiling things and viewers not clipping. He's said in the past that a lot of the shorts that he posts to youtube are ones that are the most watched from the ones people clip.

[late bane]

Gotta say today the Richard bit was hilarious

[strange ember]

That's certainly a name

Oh, that's fun but utterly unsurprising. I went to the actual tenor pages for some of the hatemob gifs and checked the uploaders

[hasty grail]

?

[strange ember]

They're full of gifs I would expect from internet trolls

Very "I am compensating for tiny peepee" energy

[hasty grail]

soooo cybertruck owners

[strange ember]

... I wish I still had the picture...
You know the people that have flags on their trucks? You know the ones that have like 3 or 4? There was someone that lives in my municipality who has like 6 on their vehicle, and a trailer with another 8 or so.

[hasty grail]

might be more of a situation where they never left their eacho chamber and refuse to leave it

[ember ember]

Wonder when we'll get the Thor, Kit, and ScammerPayBack trio collaboration

[hasty grail]

that would be funny

[indigo wadi]

I have one van in my city that has that

[strange ember]

I've never personally understood the desire to proclaim a message to the world like that

[indigo wadi]

bursting pride basically

like i'm proud to be canadian, but i don't need to visualize it

[strange ember]

I want to be left alone mostly, and I'm not really proud to be human, let alone a specific demographic of them

[opal bronze]

i am here to experience as much as i can and then die at like around 100 or as long as i can

but i am also here to make everyone elses experiences maybe a bit better before i die also