streamchat

[indigo wadi]

Wrong thing to type in. I'd recommend literally anyone else over Quinn.

[jolly sky]

Things like this (getting bombarded by the algorithm of things you just wanted to get a quick insight in) is why I use something FreeTube which doesn't tie to my actual account

[stoic zealot]

Dude the amount of drama channels YouTube started suggesting to me went up tenfold when the drama happened with Thor and it really pissed me off

And the crazy part is none of those channels were even talking about Thor . . .

It was just drama channels in general! Like I look at some drama but the same time I like to be informed about things I'm interested in I don't want to hear about things that I'm not interested in

[lunar knoll]

Yeah, I submitted a ticket about it still being suggested in the streaming resources, it's been closed out and passed along.

[hollow yacht]

The highlight of that whole experience was getting a high five from Matthew Lillard. Nothing can top that

[rocky spire]

Faster purple worm! Kill! Kill! Was awesome!!!

[kindred sedge]

Ooo a fellow freetube user

[candid grove]

What I found distasteful is seeing channels with <1000 subs and <1000 views have videos like "let's talk about the PirateSoftware drama". Yeah, I'm sure many people are interested in a "noname"'s opinion on the drama, just to possibly dunk on Thor.

And like what do these people expect? How to be relevant or get big if they start with being a drama react "content"creator?

[strange flume]

Ew twitter

I love it when I forget it exists, sometimes it lasts for days

[sterile eagle]

same, my entire TY feed is a bunch of unknowns making vid's about how Thor "cheats" at video games, and never admits to not knowing things.
really, it's just sad.

[candid grove]

What a long carrier they will have if they join the 1000 other hate drama creators insert boxed upp Buzz Lightyears on shelf meme

[sterile eagle]

i mean, i know how ppl can be hateful and dumb, especially online, but come on.. who the hell cares so much if a guy solved a puzzle alone or had help from their chat

[candid grove]

Too many people actually.

But to my surprise, the other day I had a critical, constructivr discussion on Reddit (!) with someone who disagrees with Thor on SKG, so it was really refreshing to have a normal discussion.

[wanton stump]

Warcrimes? In my social MMO? More likely thank you think

[wanton stump]

Yeah same

The evidence? He looks at his phone before coming up with the answer

Because theres only one reason to look at your phone on stream of course

I saw a guy say something like "He only figures it out after he dies and isnt in the room anymore which obviously means he looked it up and is only pretending to figure it out"

Which is just so unbelievably insane

Like, people come up with solutions to things better when they arent actively looking at it all the time

This is like basic problem solving theory

You have to give a better reason than that for why you think he looked it up, like cmon

[wanton stump]

Thats awesome

I disagree with him as well, but having a reasonable conversation about his position has been almost impossible

Outside of here I mean

Most people call him a corporate shill whenever SKG is brought up

[candid grove]

Yeah. While I like his points, I don't like how he didn't talk with Ross and had more talk about the topic. But that's it.

[wanton stump]

I think he has valid points for his personal and professional experience, I simply value things a little differently than he does so I dont agree with his points. I get why he has the opinions he does, I just dont agree.

But getting someone to discuss that with you is like pulling teeth 90% of the time

[candid grove]

yes, because it quickly devolves

[wanton stump]

I still think SKG is far too ambitious and is the wrong way to do it tbh

I believe youd need to completely restructure copyright as we know it for it to ever have any chance of remotely working

But if SKG gets us even a little closer to that Id see that as a win

So even tho I disagree with thors reasonings, I also agree with him that its probably not the right way to do it

But hey, if Im wrong, that would be even better so more power to them

[terse pelican]

Understanding that there's no ''Quick and Easy'' solution to SKG, is a step in the right direction at least

[wanton stump]

Yeah exactly, and I think they should go ahead with it, it will bring the actual issues to the forefront which could lead to long lasting change

At least I hope it does

At least its something. God knows I dont have a better idea on how to restructure an entire area of the legal system

[terse pelican]

Yeah, It would require people with multiple different backgrounds, Both Legal, and Software/Hardware related

[wanton stump]

Hopefully SKG is a starting place, but I still understand why someone like thor wouldnt support it

[terse pelican]

Yup

[wanton stump]

He wants it to work within the system, I personally see the system as deeply flawed and in need of a complete reset, so even tho I dont agree I understand why he thinks that and I cant fault him for it

[vague palm]

From what I heard Thor's main argument is "but it will kill live-service games and mmos" and I'm like... good??? those are a scam???

[wanton stump]

Well not exactly

[terse pelican]

Live-Service / MMO's are not a Scam.

Gacha games are borderline Scams

[wanton stump]

His argument is more that live service games and MMOs cant be properly replicated after they die, so trying to preserve them would be pointless and an added burden on the devs

[vague palm]

MMOs probably can't due to the community effect, but singleplayer live services? They have no reason to even be live services beyond finances.

[wanton stump]

He believes the people and time the games happen in are integral to the experience and those can never be revived

[terse pelican]

The problem also stems from 'labeling' , Who has the right to dictate what a game is, If not the devs, If there is a category that's excluded from 'preservation' what stops a Dev from assigning their game to that category?

[wanton stump]

I personally think this is stupid, and a weak argument, but I understand why he has it, considering his background

[vague palm]

Honestly though Thor's right about one thing, everything governments touch turns to garbage. You cannot trust old people who barely touch a computer to make a correct decision for something this modern

[wanton stump]

I think preservation isnt about keeping experiences frozen in time, its about learning what came before you and how you can do better

Its history, and its always useful to have access to your history and learn from it

So I dont care that the games wont be the same, I still want them to be preserved

Even if in a lesser state

[terse pelican]

I do agree hat games shouldn't be forced to have a ''Always Online'' mode, And shaft you if it's a purely single player game.

[wanton stump]

The same way that I want the cave paintings in france to be preserved as long as possible, even if they dont look anything like they did when they were first made

[vague palm]

Multiplayer games work fine with community-ran servers too (see Minecraft, Terraria, all of Valve's games), so that's another point.

[terse pelican]

Freelancer.

[vague palm]

wut?

[wanton stump]

Yeah I would really like to see that happen to Multiplayer games that get abandoned

[terse pelican]

Freelancer, Is a Video game, That had it's Server function shut down, Small community rallied and re-created it

[wanton stump]

But then theres the issues with copyright and we get stuck

Thats why I think the problem will never be solved without a societal rethinking of how copyright should work

[terse pelican]

Fun Fact, Chris Roberts ( The guy behind Store Citizen ) Worked on Freelancer.

[wanton stump]

I want games to be preserved, but I dont want people to have to break the law to make it happen

[drifting hawk]

I know i was playing it up

[drifting hawk]

Store Citizen !

[terse pelican]

Yup

[vague palm]

There is one company which is working towards legal gaming preservation and that is GOG, I implore everyone who cares to support em

[terse pelican]

Had to correct myself there

[wanton stump]

I deeply respect what they are doing

[drifting hawk]

you mean Store Shitizen the totally accurate Store simulator

[wanton stump]

But they are also just one company

[terse pelican]

The Space Ship Collector Game, Yep

[wanton stump]

They have limited power, which you can see with the blizzard and warcraft situation

[drifting hawk]

With super mega packs the more you buy the more you owe

[terse pelican]

Yup

[vague palm]

Yeah, of course -- still worth supporting. Is the best we have right now.

[wanton stump]

For sure

Just wish we had something better

[rose kayak]

abandoned video games have been a sore point for gamers for decades... and its gotten worse in the "live service" era, where singleplayer games were suddenly unplayable because some online functionality that wasnt even really used got shut down... and at the same time we have private servers with people willing to keep mmos alive, that are being shut down by publishers "just because" even though the original mmo isnt even running anymore.... so I understand pirates point on this, forcing dev studios to maintain unprofittable games is not the way to go... but at the same time, for publishers to go after people that keep games alive AFTER they gave them up is also wrong

[wanton stump]

Its very much a band-aid on the problem, not a solution

[terse pelican]

Problem with letting people run 'unofficial' servers, as Thor mentioned, Is ownership of the Copyright/Trademark ( Game World etc )

[wanton stump]

Cant believe we just had a reasonable and adult conversation about SKG and no one had to call Thor a corporate shill who loves Ubisoft

Who knew our minds were capable of such miraculous things?

[rose kayak]

I might be a radical there, but if you give up running a game, then you give it up... and if its like for example ESO, then you can find a solution were the private server pays the license fee to the trademark

[naive jetty]

ive never had a game i played killed so i have no idea what to think on this

[wanton stump]

So should it then go into public domain?

[drifting hawk]

Thor is a corpeerate shill that loves Sock Soup™ Disseminated From BiggSucc 7 with its elite force Fracking 5 who is the shadow organization behind ubisoft

[terse pelican]

Licencing Fee for Server Software runs into the issue of the Devs being obligated to update & maintain the software

[drifting hawk]

better?

[rose kayak]

not server software, trademark

[gleaming nimbus]

I would hate to not be able to play sotfs when the community does the yearly comeback but at the same time I dunno how long from software can keep it's servers running properly without it being just a burden. So on one hand I understand the argument that games with multiplayer eventually should be shelved but also I know games that live on even with the community just coming back for a couple weeks a year.

[vague palm]

Epic recently allowed their community to maintain old Unreal games legally and distribute downloads for them, that was kinda nice

[wanton stump]

That might work... Or it could backfire and make companies do some bullshit to go around it and keep the trademark

[terse pelican]

So who develops the server software?

[rose kayak]

better example would be warhammer online probably

[terse pelican]

The Original devs, The Trademark Licence holder?

[rose kayak]

its already there

[wanton stump]

It also doesnt really work with licensed software

[terse pelican]

But you didn't pay for the Software, You only paid for the Trademark

[rose kayak]

the server software is abandoned

[terse pelican]

There's an issue with distinct legal labels on what's what

[drifting hawk]

Does it work with Prate Software™ though thats the question

[rose kayak]

the trademark isnt

[naive jetty]

i think the point is people run their own servers for dead games that have none for people to play in

[terse pelican]

'abondoned' but still legally owned by the Original devs

[wanton stump]

Like what if the game company licensed their server code from someone else? Do the server code devs have to relinquish rights to their code, even tho they werent directly involved?

And what about licensed game assets?

[rose kayak]

the devstudio holds the software license usually, or the publisher... and if they abandon it, then it should render them impossible to sue private server hosters

[wanton stump]

The game devs dont own them, so they cant give them up, but you couldnt run the game without them

[rose kayak]

ah now I see what you mean

[wanton stump]

So people would then have to make arrangements with the licensing company to run their stuff

[rose kayak]

private servers (except early wow clones due to the wow leak) dont work that way

[wanton stump]

And I dont like the renting market that would create

[rose kayak]

a private server is mostly a completely new software, build on the packets the client sends

[wanton stump]

Were software licensing just became the next bottleneck in preservation

[rose kayak]

its reverse engineered, but build new

[terse pelican]

Reverse Engineering runs into legal issues

[rose kayak]

no it doesnt

[wanton stump]

I think reverse engineering still violates software licensing

At least a company could argue that

And wave that threat to shut down hobbyists from ever getting it off the ground

[candid grove]

How is Dota, LoL, Final Fantasy 14, AoC, etc scams exactly?

[wanton stump]

With licensed assets I think people could just make new ones to replace the ones missing, not sure about licensed code and code tools

[rose kayak]

if you use licensed software to build your private server, you have to pay the software ofc... but thats nothing to do with the game itself

[wanton stump]

Even if the game uses licensed code?

[rose kayak]

as I said, private servers are new software build on the client response

[vague palm]

You pay money for something someone can take away from you at the push of a button...

[wanton stump]

Well thats true for almost anything in life

But I understand your point, I also dislike the lack of ownership in Live service models

I dont even use music streaming, I prefer having my music saved on hardrives

[rose kayak]

but lets be real... the big mmo/live service games dont get shut down... this is about either really old games (like DAoC or Warhammer Online)... or those live service games that only have a shop as "live service"

ff14 wont get shut down... see gw1

[candid grove]

which raises Thor's point: Consumers should better be aware of what they purchase and you should not decide what people develop or what people want to buy

[wanton stump]

Thats probably true, but as a rampant and instinctive buzzkill, I have a biological urge to find any little thing that might cause issues down the line

Just how my brain works

[rose kayak]

thats totally fine, as long as it doesnt keep you from at least trying 😄 and I think we should try to find a way to preserve old games

[wanton stump]

And I think its important to think of those issues, even if they are very unlikely to ever show up, means the end product is that much more robust

[wanton stump]

Yeah I agree

There should be someone like me in the team that comes up with it tho, even if they will be incredible annoying

[rose kayak]

in my country it would be btw quite easy... if the publisher abandons a game, then he doesnt have any financial damages from private servers, so he cant sue... thats why warhammer online servers are legal here

[wanton stump]

Thats the other thing too, the variety of legal systems involved

[rose kayak]

ofc, that doesnt mean the private servers dont have to pay for the trademarks ^^

ah, but Im in the EU 😄 we are quite good at bringing all the different legal systems here together on a meta level

[wanton stump]

Me on my way to abolish all borders because I wanna preserve videogames

Its as good an excuse as any, might work

"North Korea and South Korea agree to join their borders in an effort to preserve Myst Online"

Now that would be the good timeline

[rose kayak]

there are two very different systems ^^

[wanton stump]

I know I know, Im just being a little bit of a goofball

It would be funny tho

[vague palm]

Consumer awareness is one thing, but proliferation of scummy practices is concerning. The movie industry has been almost entirely destroyed by streaming, and we're seeing worrying trends in gaming too, where companies aim specifically at preventing any semblance of ownership.
It'd be irresponsible to shift all that responsibility onto the consumer, there needs to be something else to fight against that.

[wanton stump]

World leaders all over the world abolishing borders in order to preserve the right for their children to play Club Penguin

Trully an utopia

[rose kayak]

something to consider, theres already a law in the works in the EU that wants to shut down that nonesense of any kind of hardware needing an app to work, and then the app stops working and your hardware - even though still fully functional - stops also working
so this might actually be solved in a roundabout way via that law

[terse pelican]

Printer Ink. The Biggest Scam of the 20th Century.

[wanton stump]

Something something industrial society something something no politics please

[hollow yacht]

Club Penguin is a treasure to the internet and must be preserved at all costs

[hollow yacht]

As someone who spent 2 years working at a staples this is 100% accurate

[crimson scroll]

gen chat is too fast and neurotic for me

yall I thought I had a crazy fever dream about glitter and area 51. I almost made a comment about it somewhere but stopped myself thinking "theres no fuckin way thats real" and then told my buddies from which several inside jokes spawned. I JUST FOUND OUT ITS REAL AND FOR MONTHS I HAVE BEEN GASLIGHTING MYSELF.

[hollow yacht]

Normally I’d agree but I’m vibing with the animaniacs love

[crimson scroll]

im gonna wake up in a few hours when I get out of bat country and be like oh wow that was made up too

im in the stage of sleep deprivation known as mysterious bruises

[vague heron]

It's totally crazy. I think they're just jealous of his genius. He should continue playing puzzle games and prove them all wrong

Or maybe take up chess, I'd like that

[sterile eagle]

I don't really care how smart he is or isn't. he has built something amazing here

[rocky venture]

I don't know other hatetrains than Esfands back in the days. (EDIT: Ironmouse hatewagon is one from near past) But yeah.. I'd say people are just jealous for X, whatever it may be, that's on their head. What Thor has achieved in the seven year one night success is something I can see screamers getting jealous over. The "current trend" towards screaming and hating on the other hand is something we all should be quite worried. It's snowballing out of control..

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-16875499

[hollow yacht]

I want my relatively safe hate-free Thor streams back please and thank you

[gusty mist]

the community growing has been great to watch and be a part of, but the wider visibility and internet vitriol that's been put on Thor has been exhausting to watch, can't imagine how rough it's been for him to experience

[hollow yacht]

I would be having breakdowns daily tbh

[hasty grail]

i have a friend who might have drank the cool-aid, so i need to talk to him this weekend to try and clear up some of what he is thinking

[hollow yacht]

And I’ve got a public speaking job

[gusty mist]

oofff good luck with that

[hasty grail]

the funny thing is that he was very much in support of Thor, until he was reading the stupid things

[gusty mist]

it just got everywhere, i'm not surprised people were swayed

the number of hit pieces that flooded my yt feed after i watched one short about was ridiculous

[hasty grail]

hope everyone has a safe day, im off to go do my student teaching

and god, i hope this dies down soon

[chrome dirge]

did something new happen?

[hasty grail]

naw

[gusty mist]

have a great day

[hasty grail]

just constant rehashing

[gusty mist]

nah, just grifters and griefers trying to get their pound of flesh

thankfully, it mostly looks like people have gotten bored and moved on

[hollow yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/praise-praisethesun-darksouls-the-sun-gif-4970376

[thick ledge]

Reminder that basket weaving forums have motivation to lie

@hasty grail for your friend

[hasty grail]

oh im aware

[indigo wadi]

So interestingly, if you search for videos on YouTube, you cannot select the options "not interested" or "don't recommend channel".

[lime vine]

Hey everyone quick question

I have seen a video that apparently Thor lied about Eve online

is it true?

[strange owl]

https://tenor.com/view/rik-spek-bonte-avond-gif-15983912236840138441

[spring atlas]

i think a certain Asmon of clan Gold put it best "You build a 100 bridges and suck 1 pp, you're not a bridge builder you're a pp sucker" people will always point out the worst/controversial in someone

that's just how internet is

[indigo wadi]

I haven't because I'm not interested in drama nonsense.

People will twist anything to create a narrative.

[spring atlas]

you'd have to specify

[indigo wadi]

https://youtu.be/GkbPlL7bRPc?si=Y3sSv84Cnqxr4glj

[spring atlas]

there are multitude of videos alleging a lot of different things

[indigo wadi]

This is the new one

[lime vine]

this one exactly

[spring atlas]

man do i love the below 50k sub channels leeching and dragging out the drama content

i know sub shaming bad but come on

[indigo wadi]

There's no way to block channels from showing up in searches is there?

[lime vine]

the guy literally made a 47 minute video off of a almost 7 minute long video

[lime vine]

not really. we just have to wait for the haters to get bored

[indigo wadi]

Blah

[spring atlas]

only clicking "do not recommend content" on the channel videos

[indigo wadi]

I guess doing it from home page will have to do then

[spring atlas]

nevermind there is a way

[spring atlas]

that will not happen

[chrome dirge]

It's not like the haters didn't already exist. Dudes are convinced he uses a voice changer. They're weird.

[spring atlas]

if i didn't know about Thor's weird conditions i would be sus of it too

like fym he only sleeps for 5h and had a 2nd puberty

but then you read up on it

and ye those things are real

[indigo wadi]

I think that's for them typing stuff on my channel

https://youtu.be/EUnxx166Dfw?si=TJY0PjCAnDAc6hgC

Some of these comments, yeesh

[serene valley]

Called it

[spring atlas]

i gotta say the roach with the wizard hat on is kinda funny

[serene valley]

I knew the guy would do this

[spring atlas]

also where tf do they take those pictures from

i have never seen Thor make that face

[serene valley]

[serene valley]

Its pinned in #thorchan

[spring atlas]

ok lmao

[indigo wadi]

He's posted it numerous times during curse quest

[serene valley]

If the guy says anything else besides "i used his voice without permission and then didn't take it out once I got a DMCA" the entire video is pointless

[indigo wadi]

But they seem to misunderstand that using Thors voice, for profit, without permission, is a no no

[chrome dirge]

I used his voice and tried to make money off of it and somehow he was able to convince steam to remove it from the platform.

[serene valley]

I'm not gonna give it more views

[serene valley]

They just don't know copyright law then

[indigo wadi]

I watched part of it and stopped cause that messes with watch time algorithm 😂

[indigo wadi]

Comment section certainly doesnt

[serene valley]

I think all that's gonna happen if it goes to court is the guy has to take out Thors voice

[serene valley]

But who knows, certainly not me

Khronos would

[indigo wadi]

They (the comments) trying to say that this is a parody and is the same as doing as react video in terms of legality, LOL

[vague palm]

And it is... In that "react videos" also show stolen content from another creator, and unless they have prior permission or a license for it, the creator has the full right to take such a video down

[serene valley]

Either way dum stuff

[vague palm]

The fact that this doesn't happen very much is a matter of good faith, not law

[serene valley]

I've heard of the reverse happening

DMCA takedowns by people who have no business doing it

[vague palm]

Oh yeah, copyright trolling is a constant. It's not really relevant here though, this is well within Thor's rights

[chrome dirge]

Ya, having your likeness being used to make other people money is something you have to sue over.

[serene valley]

Well not if they stop once you DMCA

[vague palm]

Suing is usually unnecessary because all major publishing platforms respect the DMCA so it's just a matter of sending out a couple emails.

[serene valley]

Actually what'd be funnier is if they get it to where the guy has to pay royalties

[spring atlas]

considering it's an indie drama farming game i'd say there is no profit

and from what i understand the Steam version hasn't been patched to include the roach wizard yet

[indigo wadi]

Well if the intention is there and it was shown off, then that should be enough?

[serene valley]

Wait where did Thor submit the DMCA then

On itch?

[serene valley]

Not sure whether you can properly DMCA takedown something if they don't actually do the thing you say they do in what's on the website

[spring atlas]

on Steam

[serene valley]

That's kinda weird then if it's not in there at the moment of DMCA

[spring atlas]

i'd understand if it was a takedown of the Reddit post

but the steam version doesn't have anything yet

[serene valley]

If it's not in the game, then it makes sense the guy would disagree with the DMCA

[indigo wadi]

Yeah not sure of the legality then

[serene valley]

Either way idk what the exact situation is or how it should be handled, I'll just wait for an update

[indigo wadi]

Against what?

[rain hazel]

react videos you can do under fair use.. that doesn't extend to games

[indigo wadi]

Games that are sold at least. Free games would probably fall under fair use

[vague palm]

Fair use is a defense usable in court. It is not something that is granted automatically and it is examined on a case by case basis if brought up, the judge then decides if it is or it isn't. You cannot claim fair use outside of that context and expect anything to happen

[spring atlas]

love you for this

[vague palm]

?

[spring atlas]

people should read up on what the law actually says before screeching about "fair use"

[indigo wadi]

But that requires work

[spring atlas]

and room temp IQ

and we can't forget most of those people have full time jobs

hating on PirateSoftware

[gentle mortar]

Well I live in europe, so 20 IQ points won't really get you there

[spring atlas]

i live in europe as well

it was a figure of speech

[hollow yacht]

Unsure if this burn doesn’t work outside the US and our Fahrenheit madness or if it’s an even better burn for the Celsius folks

[gentle mortar]

ik, just kinda found it funny

[spring atlas]

[jagged skiff]

I miss the internet of yesteryear, when folks would make something outta nothing for a day or two tops then move on to the next thing, it brought so much joy in life, this new internet of never letting something go is disgusting and I hate it

[spring atlas]

ok boomer

[hollow yacht]

No I know I’m internally debating if it’s funnier for the non-F temp countries

[jagged skiff]

😦

[spring atlas]

(with love ofc)

[jagged skiff]

folk should just settle their garbage in gunbound, like it should be

[hollow yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-holt-brooklyn-nine-99-how-dare-you-gif-12239747

[jagged skiff]

I'm not even that old, though by internet logic I'm a decrepit old man

[gentle mortar]

nvm i just got the joke, it's with Celsius in mind, god damn it

[jagged skiff]

I remember when SomethingAwful was the most hated place on the web, kinda miss that honestly lol

[delicate shell]

COVID lockdowns permanently brain rotted a whole lot of people. I think it will be looked back on as the ground zero for insane levels of parasocial attachment.

[spring atlas]

i mean 20 IQ is severe intellectual disability

[spring atlas]

true that

and we are seeing the true effects just now

like i fear for the teachers of the kids that were born/grew up during the lockdown

bc oh boy

[fresh ruin]

Wait so the game doesn't even have the content from the reddit clip

[hollow yacht]

My sister in law is one of these and its…rough

[spring atlas]

yep

[spring atlas]

w8 sister in law?

[hollow yacht]

She’s the teacher not the child

[jagged skiff]

I've got too many nieces/nephews in school and I swear they don't seem to care about actually learning anything, it's depressing

[spring atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hmm-thinking-praying-pepe-the-frog-gif-15411715

[jolly sky]

It does, the content is Thors voice during the clip.

[spring atlas]

the voice is in the clip not the game

the clip is an unreleased version

[delicate shell]

Yeah it's like younger people don't realize that there are long term consequences for anything.

[fresh ruin]

DMCA baited to cause streisand effect

[jolly sky]

Unless he changed it just for that video, it was in the game too.

[hollow yacht]

I swear!!!

[spring atlas]

dw unc we are all about learning here

[hollow yacht]

I could never lie on the internet that’s illegal

[jagged skiff]

I mean like yeah I hated school (mostly because most of my teachers weren't effective at teaching) but even so I still went out of my way to learn, nowadays? it's all about the memes

[spring atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/susge-stare-pepe-sus-gif-6983445641596872640

[spring atlas]

not the memes!

[delicate shell]

Yeah and my younger cousins all think they can just find a grift to make money as an influencer somehow.

[gentle mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[delicate shell]

Prime social media brain rot 🥴

[hollow yacht]

I am actually serious though she teaches 2nd grade and some of those kids have clearly missed some critical social skill development during Covid

[delicate shell]

My partner quit teaching in 2022 after 8 years because of the issues with the kids.

And the parents weirdly.

[indigo wadi]

Even if it's an unreleased version, giving the illusion that the game is going to be sold with Thors' voice warrants dmca

Intent matters

[jolly sky]

Oh the parents I could totally understand quitting over

[hollow yacht]

How dare you my child is an angel they would never hit someone with a chair you’re lying

[spring atlas]

nothing weird about it

the children are managable

they can still learn

[gentle mortar]

it also depends on the parents, I had a relative who was learning in second grade during COVID, of ocourse there were some problems, but it's better now

[spring atlas]

the parents

are the nightmare

[gentle mortar]

agree

[fresh ruin]

that is not how it works

[spring atlas]

psych major here

[hollow yacht]

Hey me too high five

[spring atlas]

working with the parent is the worst part of working with children

they will f up your progress with the kid and they will not apologise for it

[indigo wadi]

So giving off the intent to sell a game with Thors voice without his permission is completely legal? I highly doubt it.

[fresh ruin]

thor got lied to and baited. starting legal stuff because you are misinformed can happen but doesn't make the claim legal

[spring atlas]

unfortunately yes

it's a great DMCA bait

[fresh ruin]

Yes of course it is. You could say anything you want unless it is hate speech or slander

[spring atlas]

the guy can now counter claim

[serene valley]

What Thor should've done I suppose is verify it's actually in the game

[serene valley]

He did, that's why Thor mentioned it on stream

[spring atlas]

what's done is done unfortunately

[serene valley]

True

[spring atlas]

can't backseat lawyer now

[flat moat]

So his purpose was to counter DMCA from the get go to try and smack back like this even though the guy advertised before hand on reddit that his game had Thor in it?

[fresh ruin]

it isn't a great DMCA bait unless you are trigger happy with the DMCA claims. It is not a frivolous action to start legal actions. While it is a frivolous action to lie on the internet.

[indigo wadi]

Purposely baiting someone into doing a false dmca claim should be actionable. Because you are essentially presenting a false narrative that ventures into legality, like someone lying about being assaulted (yes I know it's not a great comparison)

[trim crater]

The said game was put on steam, during the stream time.

[spring atlas]

without Thor in it

the Reddit post was an unreleased patch

basically bait

[serene valley]

Yknow I think I'll leave the legal stuff up to the lawyer

[trim crater]

true enough

[indigo wadi]

Showing off a game that has someone's voice without their permission is enough to warrant a dmca claim. Not being truthful about it, to me, seems like it would lead to additional legal issues.

[fresh ruin]

'unreleased patch' is what I'm going to call day to day edits that I didn't even bother pushing to github 😄

[chrome dirge]

Did the pvt part dev start a legal defense gofundme yet?

[spring atlas]

no idea

[delicate shell]

Or a crypto coin to rugpull

[fresh ruin]

he seems to be content with 'sucking on' the 15 mins

[chrome dirge]

This is probably a better idea.

[vocal garnet]

o=

[thick ledge]

in a lighter less insulting context im sure thor would like it too, he keeps roaches and loves bugs

[smoky crypt]

Sad to see its now become a meme in a bad way

[worthy ivy]

we wait for the hate to die down and take it back 🙂

[nova bough]

it's getting there

[prime sundial]

I'm sorry, I'm sure it's been asked already, but is Thor going to stream tonight maybe? Man's been super busy lately, hope he's making some time for himself too

[terse pelican]

He's gonna stream in like 14-16 Hours?

IIRC

[jolly sky]

Midnight PST

[terse pelican]

Yeah, Being in Sweden, I don't keep track of the Timezone difference between GMT+1 and PST

[jolly sky]

That should be 9am your time

UK-based here, streams start at 8am I believe

[terse pelican]

Yeah, 9am my time is accurate to when he starts, I was saying that's in like 14-ish Hours

[flat moat]

Yeah, give or take 15 minutes

[hard jackal]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/schedule
Anomalies are normally announced in #streams

[gentle mortar]

I rarely used this feature cause many streamers dont use it

[vague palm]

Eh I mean, even if a streamer doesn't manually specify their schedule, Twitch builds this out of past streams so you can still look at patterns and figure it out

[wind hare]

Its so sereal so many people are trying to jump on the hate wagon to get people to look at their videos. Just saw one about EVE and it was titled "Pirate Software Lied about EVE Online." Love the clickbait

All of EVE is built off of lies and prapaganda. Find me someone who tells 100% the truth in that game and you'll find someone who never played it

[vague palm]

Sounds like a very uncomfortable game lol

[wind hare]

it is lol

Its a hate/love relationship, until it beats you in the face with the hating it part. It's why people say the only way to win the game is to stop playing

[spring atlas]

it is a social game after all

[wind hare]

I can play Town of Salem and walk away after losing and still have fun. EVE feels like its stealing your time from you

[earnest mirage]

yeah, it's disgusting how everyone of them try to jump onto the hate train to get more views. It's bonkers.
Since they are using Thor's Material/Clips from Twitch i hope Thor just dmca claim, force to take all this stuff down and let them eat sand.

[serene valley]

I think the expression is "pound sand"

[earnest mirage]

highly depends on the country you live in.

[jolly sky]

Correct. It would not be possible for Thor to DMCA against people who are making content about him while he's in the US, as long as its not just straight reuploads of his content.

[fresh ruin]

as it should be DMCA isn't method to be abused to stifle distribution of news

[indigo wadi]

Which Thor is fine with

[wind hare]

it's not that they "just don't like you". These people are trying to turn his life upside down for money, and also a portion of them want to take everything from him. I've seen some of their hate posts, its derranged

[fresh ruin]

especially apt when someone just baited a DMCA claim to streisand effect their way to 15 mins of fame

[indigo wadi]

Um, what? A game was presented to be using his voice. Why would he not action against that?

[wind hare]

So because one bad thing happened he should stop streaming and make money for the people who work for him?

[indigo wadi]

If Thor thought someone was going to profit off his likeness without permission, he has to take action.

[spring atlas]

the game is back up on Steam

[indigo wadi]

Sounds like it got sorted then.

[wind hare]

So did you join just to comment on this situation?

[indigo wadi]

Saying he isn't in the right headspace is a wild take to make. Only Thor knows what headspace he's in and what he can handle.

[wind hare]

Yep\

called it

[indigo wadi]

Okay, you can vamoose now

[vocal crystal]

I believe he was referring to the instant litigation vs objectively looking at the situation and that it might have been bait.

[indigo wadi]

K

[vocal crystal]

DSP chill

[indigo wadi]

Well, what's done is done now.

[wind hare]

<@&362005405901127710>

LilCalcium — Today at 3:34 PM

[torn swift]

Also reported the account to discord

[indigo wadi]

I don't blame Thor for filing the DMCA.

[jolly sky]

#mod-ticket

[tough wing]

He just joined the server today to spread this hate….

[indigo wadi]

I'm sure we'll get an update about it, maybe

[thick ledge]

Probably not, it would be silly to make unneeded statements about legal stuff

[golden mirage]

I doubt we'll get any significant update until all the legal issues are over.

[vocal crystal]

I don't either and am not well versed in DMCA but pretty sure false claims can bring fines if enough of them stack up

[jolly sky]

A "Care Troll"

[torn swift]

aaaand hes gone

poof

[vocal crystal]

Mod Thanos'd snapped

[wind hare]

Praise be the Zafaroth. May he see bread in the next life because he will never get it in this one

[thick ledge]

Weren't me

[wind hare]

Well damnm

You're still not bad

[torn swift]

I just straight up reported him to discord

tag, key and everything

[gentle mortar]

thanks mods, never seen a "Caring Troll", thought for a moment he was just a normal chatter

[indigo wadi]

And I would argue since it was originally presented as being part of the game, the filing want done under false pretenses.

[wind hare]

I think those are the worst because you let your gaurd down

[gentle mortar]

yeah

[vocal crystal]

I would say it was definitely going to be intended to be added to the "full" build on steam ya and just wanted to get in on the drama

[indigo wadi]

Yeah

[serene valley]

when I first heard about it on stream I definitely called it that the guy was gonna play it somewhat like this

[jolly sky]

There's been a LOT of them. People who come in pretending to be a fan and care about the situation, and get interactions from the community, to then turn it around like that

[earnest mirage]

agreed. But sadly, some take clips, then cut them to fit their needs and spread missinformation, not just on Youtube. You might want to do some about that.
Discuss or talk about their point of view. That's totally fine. 🙂

[indigo wadi]

In situations like these, I trust Thors judgement. If he made a mistake, well, it happens.

[gentle mortar]

crazy…

[wind hare]

Probably from the same website. Go back with screenshots of them causing more drama

[torn swift]

TBH the reaction to a "Caring Troll" Should always be the same, we still gotta welcome em in lest we chase away potential community members

we can filter the filth later

[indigo wadi]

That's not really something that's fightable. I guess you could go for defamation, but that's a hell of a fight.

And not worth it in most cases

[jolly sky]

Just make sure to use #mod-ticket rather than @'ing the Mods, so they can look at it without alerting the User, and also for a digital trail

[gentle mortar]

always, give them the moment to speak, if they turn to be just hateful without discussion, then well… there you have it

[indigo wadi]

As Thor isn't really losing money/being harmed.

[vocal crystal]

Idk, objectively speaking, all it looks right now is that it did appear Thor was in the game, instant DMCA. I do think baiting and then gloating about "I knew you would do this" is malicious.

[wind hare]

Fair, I got a little hated

[indigo wadi]

That's a good point actually

[serene valley]

"I knew you would DMCA me for me using your voice without permission" is not a good take lol

[earnest mirage]

wasn't about the game 😉 Was about all the videos on YT, etc. that keep hook up on the drama stuff.

[vocal crystal]

Ya but from my perspective, being as tactful as I can. That guy knew he would do it and wanted to flame more drama as idk how ya'lls feeds are now they are saying how Thor abuses DMCA essentially.

[vocal crystal]

Ya it's an awful one, simply malicious bait

[earnest mirage]

dmca just use if needed, like when someone put heartbound music without permission on a mod for noita.

[vocal crystal]

Exactly

[rose kayak]

êhm... why wouldnt he file a dmca? thats what its for...

[vocal crystal]

It is what it's for but not just kinda like "shooting from the hip" on a hunch.

Falsely filling has a minimum fine I believe if that guy felt like further abusing the system

I don't believe that fine is to the "victim" either but the governing body.

[fresh ruin]

sensibly falsely filling probably can't be fined if you are getting lied to and baited

[earnest mirage]

@rose kayak can be used in a bad manner, basically the same way nintendo used patented game mechanics against palworld, or tech companies spy on their competitors and patent stuff especially to slow down / damage their competitors.

[wind hare]

He would have to get a lawyer himself and go through a legal battle. I don't think he is going to do that. Just getting the publicity for the game I think will be enough

[indigo wadi]

But if he filed with the impression of what he saw, is that still a false dmca?

[fresh ruin]

yes?

[wind hare]

It would have to be proven in court

[indigo wadi]

I don't see why it's am automatic yes. An incorrect filing is not the same as a false one.

False implies filing while knowing there isn't am issue.

That's not what happened here.

[vocal crystal]

I believe at that point it's just lawyers vs lawyers and they can argue that Thors team didn't have due diligence and were thus negligent.

[fresh ruin]

I don't think he can be fined for filling this specific dmca because of having a legitimate reason to do so at the time. But reality is that there was no DMCA violation thus making the claim false

I don't think that is what false implies but I can see how you differentiate between incorrect and false

[wind hare]

https://copyrightalliance.org/education/copyright-law-explained/the-digital-millennium-copyright-act-dmca/dmca-counter-notice-process/

[fresh ruin]

I would say a malicious dmca claim for that implication. In my mind incorrect and false is one and the same. Obviously I'm unaware if these are legal terms

[indigo wadi]

Probably falls under intent

[wind hare]

Depends on motive, if you are trying to silent or change a video/game just because you don't like it and there was never anything that made you think you had a claim, thats different.

Intent matters

[indigo wadi]

but i also have no legal education

[wind hare]

You need to convince a judge/jury of what you are claiming

[fresh ruin]

'mens rea'

[indigo wadi]

mens my rea

[hollow glacier]

Ill mens your rea

[fresh ruin]

whoa I said legal word 🤯

[hollow glacier]

lol

For a second there I thought I killed the convo/chat

[indigo wadi]

uuw

[wind hare]

I was trying to figure out a deez nutts joke for that but I am failing

[spring atlas]

if there is even a lawsuit

which i doubt honestly

[gentle mortar]

I'd like to think that Khronos is looking in this chat right now and saying to himself: "Oh my... this is funny" while talking about legal stuff

[spring atlas]

the dev clearly wanted to clown on Thor not sue him

[wind hare]

Well he's not practicing so he could comment about it, I would think

[rose kayak]

so, after wading my way through horribly badly recorded clips... basically: small indie dev thought it was a smart idea to put a video on reddit of his game with pirates voice and face edited into his game and then cries about getting a dmca claim on his indie game? 😄

he himself provided proof of a copyright infringement

that wasnt there

this is hilarious

[wind hare]

That brings up a good point, how was Thor going to prove what was in the game if the dev himself posted the video and he would need to buy the product first

[rose kayak]

talk about your own joke biting your own ass 😄

[vocal crystal]

Ya then says "oh no I was planning to release soon"

[vocal crystal]

I think because the process should have been "am I actually in your game? Take me out"

[wind hare]

Do you NEED to ask before a DMCA claim? I'm not sure about if that's a requirement. Ill have to look into that

[rose kayak]

was the game released per demo?

[azure glen]

So many chat lawyers

[wind hare]

Well he would still have to pay for the demo, like Heartbound /joke

[vocal crystal]

I think it's more of a professional custom haha

[wind hare]

Im just curious if there is a need or not now

[spring atlas]

Discord law degree is the best law degree

[wind hare]

I love thinking about that in medical terms. Like people are patching up someone who is shot and you come by and say, "Alot of people playing doctor around here, ha ha ha"

[spring atlas]

screw the BAR

[exotic forge]

Thor is actually being affected here. You can look up his previous messages when he briefly popped in this chat

[vocal crystal]

Hey only career that interest me once I left the service haha

[exotic forge]

There's a couple of them in here. I still see some of them in chat 👀

[gentle mortar]

which chat, general? 100%.

[exotic forge]

streamerchat

[gentle mortar]

oh

well, obviously, they just don't chat now

[indigo wadi]

On youtube, it's a drop in the bucket. Twitch is still doing fine. And the follower droppage is temporary anyways.

[exotic forge]

Just wait until next time. You will see them say stuff like "Maybe Thor should've just apologized"

[wind hare]

Was there one?

[indigo wadi]

Thor mentioned about losing 4k followers per day during the wow drama

[exotic forge]

Oh yeah I'm not making a statement myself. I'm just saying Thor popped into chat about this topic and he was frustrated about it.

[vocal crystal]

That's wild

[indigo wadi]

The frustration is understandable.

Grain of salt (from SocialBlade)

[serene valley]

is that yt subs?

[gentle mortar]

yep

[indigo wadi]

Yeah

[serene valley]

that's not a drop then is it

or can I not read

wait no

[indigo wadi]

Out of 2.65?

[serene valley]

reverse order

[indigo wadi]

mill?

[gentle mortar]

it went from 2,67 mil to 2,64 mil

[serene valley]

why the heck does the summary say +40k then

stupid website

[exotic forge]

You have to account for the lack of growth that Thor was expecting as well

[wind hare]

views seem fine so thats good. That counts the ferret streams I would bet

[indigo wadi]

Yeah, subs don't matter nearly as much as views/watch time does tbh

[earnest mirage]

within the last 30 days. So he gained 70k, then lost 30k, so still gained 40k at the end.

[serene valley]

ah ofc

[indigo wadi]

But 2.67 to 2.64 doesn't add up

oh

wait

it does

im dumb

[vocal crystal]

I mean he still gained 50mil views from 1-10 to 1-25 if I'm reading it right haha

[indigo wadi]

can't count

[gentle mortar]

just a note, stream numbers on twitch stayed the same

[wind hare]

Ya I think he's going to be fine.

[indigo wadi]

100%

I absolutely understand his frustration with the droppage as well as dealing with the drama at the same time. Anyone would be.

[serene valley]

except for that one day when someone was paying for viewbotting

[gentle mortar]

no they killed him, didn't you hear?

[covert monolith]

still wild to think about

[wind hare]

Then should I ask for his stuff before he leaves YouTube in normal EVE fashion?

[indigo wadi]

roflmao

Also, the whole Yamato/arena thing is complete garbage 🙄

[wind hare]

I must have missed an Arena drama. Did he ask for a duel?

[exotic forge]

Good news is it does seem like the hate is just coming from an ecosystem. Whenever I see Thor stuff pop out on a larger scale, people mostly shurg it off

[gentle mortar]

elmao

[exotic forge]

Bad news is this ecosystem is still relatively large compared to our community

[serene valley]

nah, had to kill his character for toxicity reasons iirc

or looting wrong

[indigo wadi]

Yam agreed to a best out of 5 (or first to 5) duel with sadaco (I think). The loser goes to the arena for X amount of time. If Yamato goes in, Tyler is gonna seal team 6 protect Yam.

hence, garbage.

[serene valley]

I forget exact

[exotic forge]

Yamato ninja looted iirc

[indigo wadi]

Yam has not killed his character, afaik

[earnest mirage]

saw the last giant clickbait title when his stream was recomended on my main page and i was like "not interested".

[indigo wadi]

Yeah, that video basically killed any last remaining interest I had in Tyler tbh.

Not that I had much to begin with.

[wind hare]

Wait, I am completely outside of this since I stopped watching WoW when Thor stopped.

Yam kept acting like an ass and then ninja looted someone? Why would you put yourself in the spotlight like that again?

[indigo wadi]

Cause "CONTENT"

"we are a content guild, are we not?"

[wind hare]

I hate the words content now

[gaunt remnant]

Hello every-

[indigo wadi]

Hello

[gaunt remnant]

Oh not this again

[gentle mortar]

three forbidden words: League of Legends

there, i said it

[gaunt remnant]

I'm going back to mine rocks and stones

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/bPugn.gif

[gentle mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[indigo wadi]

I got PoE2 lined up on my Xbox

Bloodmage Witch 😄

[earnest mirage]

they had a chest or something like that, he rolled on something, won and the undead have some rules that make him not keep that stuff and he had to give it to their leader and than distribute the loot.
Something like that. Watched a bit of soda's video, but was so toxic i lost interest real quickly.

[spring atlas]

first thing Yam did after the loot drama started is cry to mommy Tyler like a poosay

as you'd expect from a lowlife like him

starting drama only when mommy T has his back

[indigo wadi]

Yam was supposed to give all loot to Sardaco. He didn't, Undead voted to kill him, as per Undead Law

[wind hare]

Im glad I didn't watch any of the Undead stuff

[earnest mirage]

yeah, like said, something like that. 😄

[indigo wadi]

The only redeeming thing was listening to Crunk_Muffin

[spring atlas]

undead players reinforcing the "undead are pricks" stereotype

my fav

[earnest mirage]

at least soda is mad as well, because they don't had a single week without issues on the undead because of their stupid law 😄

[indigo wadi]

8 weeks straight of eff'd up loot situations. Just...how?

[wind hare]

But undead are pricks because they want everyone to be dead. They aren't the Goblins.

[indigo wadi]

Undead wanting full promotions apparently

[wind hare]

NOW if they were able to play Goblins somehow, then I totally get it and that would be funny

[indigo wadi]

lol, true

[wind hare]

I would honestly watch Wow, maybe even modern WoW if they have a guild that weeded out people who didn't want to roleplay

Those roleplay seasons were entertaining, like the robe crafting

[spring atlas]

OnlyBags my beloved

that was some good RP

[wind hare]

OR, and stay with me, you get some people at Blizzard to roll a server with UNKNOWN changes. And you need to get to 60 without knowing the new rules. Like maybe power work a little different, or mobs are moved. New ways to die

[spring atlas]

too much work on Blizz part

the classic team is small

[exotic forge]

Soda lost some respect from me. They kinda talked smack about Pirate even though he's been gone already

[spring atlas]

and the rest of the devs are focused on retail

[wind hare]

Yes, but it would still be neat and might give them some more advertisements with less cost

[vocal crystal]

They are milking it for content

[spring atlas]

did you expect maturity from streamers

[exotic forge]

Is the revenue from classic WoW small relative to retail?

[spring atlas]

lmao

[spring atlas]

it is smaller for sure

especially now that they announced the Worldsoul saga

it's like 3 expansions worth of content the main team is working on

so the classic hardcore and season of discovery is on the back burner for sure

[indigo wadi]

I lost respect for Soda when he didn't bother trying to talk to Thor

[spring atlas]

and he talked to Yamato

double standards much

[indigo wadi]

Yeah like, how you gonna talk to Yamato and not talk to Thor to get both sides?

I don't care how many PoVs you watch. You talk to those involved. Especially since the 3 others said Thor wasn't at fault

[spring atlas]

they did?

[earnest mirage]

lost any respect ages ago when he decided to stream gambling.
I commented on Thors twitter, i'm very disappointed that he has done nothing except put a video on yt and never even try to settle any of this in the first place. Then just silently kick thor out when everything is on fire...

[indigo wadi]

Cause 100%, if Soda talks to Thor, Soda's kick reasoning wouldn't have happened

@spring atlas Yeah, Thor recieved messages from them.

[spring atlas]

so Soda based his decision on hearsay, Yamato, and ZNN?

[exotic forge]

I didn't know about the gambling. Yeah I would lose respect to anyone who gambles on stream

[indigo wadi]

Pretty much

[spring atlas]

the world is a circus and Soda is the main clown

[jolly sky]

The only person causing a stink in that dungeon group was Yamato.

[flat moat]

Pretty much. That and he capitalized on the drama

[uncut dove]

OTK is a shady business run by shady people. The whole lot is rotten

[spring atlas]

League player try not to be toxic challenge impossible

[vocal crystal]

I think also on the fact Thor just up and left the meeting with T1 and Yamato

And "lots" of people feeling weird

[indigo wadi]

Disagree. Esfand & Emiru are good people.

[spring atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-grandma-lets-get-you-to-bed-yes-grandma-gif-6683134261581381982

[wind hare]

I'm not sure he is the MAIN clown. Elmo I would say has eclipsed him.

[earnest mirage]

was like 10 years ago or so

[indigo wadi]

That was based off Soda assuming thor was reporting EVERYONE.

[exotic forge]

It's not hearsay. Soda did review all the VODs (for content of course). However, he came into the review process with a target on Thor

[spring atlas]

he was being shouted over by a LoL screecher

what was he supposed to do

[indigo wadi]

It is hearsay because he did not get thor's side of things.

[vocal crystal]

Was that clip of Thors list even real?

[earnest mirage]

even Tyler said "what did you expect him to do when start yelling"

[exotic forge]

Thor was being yelled at by Yamato and not being given the chance to talk and all Soda could think about is "this is Thor's fault"

[indigo wadi]

Thor's list? Refresh my memory

[flat moat]

The list was for people violating Twitch TOS and sending hate brigades

[spring atlas]

which is actual hearsay

[vocal crystal]

Aaaah ok

[spring atlas]

Tyler being a voice of reason was not on my 2025 bingo list

[exotic forge]

Why are they scared about Thor reporting people who are violating Twitch TOS and sending hate brigades anyway?

Unless they're scared because they're guilty of it....

[vocal crystal]

Hearsay is just he said she said. Vods are concrete

[spring atlas]

he changed a LOT since his daughter was born

[indigo wadi]

I'm specifically referring to the streamers in Onlyfangs, which my understanding was only a couple were actually reported. Anyone else reported was outside Onlyfangs. Icould be wrong though

[jolly sky]

Lets just say if I'd followed the instructions I was asked to and used my resources to make any change of decision difficult and/or impossible from a player perspective, and then got flamed and shouted at for following those instructions, I wouldn't exactly be in a "apologetic" mood

[spring atlas]

actual W character growth for T1

[indigo wadi]

Sure, but there's added context Soda could of gotten had he talked to Thor before making the decision to gkick

[spring atlas]

Thor has never once said he has a list of creators he reported to both Twitch and Blizzard for farming drama, which was the allegation spread around by other streamers

the only reports were for 2 streamers that literally doxxed him

[flat moat]

Probably because Yamato got his followers to infect soda, summit and a few other communities which lead to the guild becoming anti-thor

[vocal crystal]

I know he didn't

[spring atlas]

Soda gkicked him based on those allegations

so hearsay

[exotic forge]

I could tell most of the guild was anti-Thor with the way they keep making fun of him even after the kick

[vocal crystal]

Aaah

[flat moat]

Yeah, only a few were. Like HR, Soda protected the company by kicking out the one person who has an issue with others

[vocal crystal]

Mob mentality

[exotic forge]

The guild treated Pilav with infinitely way more respect than Thor

(both were kicked)

Pilav was kicked for saying f**ed up shit about a female streamer

[vocal crystal]

I never followed that. Seems like he was weird with females and got bonked out

[indigo wadi]

IMO, there wasn't an issue with others. Soda was just using a vague reasoning to kick out Thor instead of kicking out the drama stirrer, Yamato.

[vocal crystal]

Didn't soda never have the right to do it anyways? Had to be big T?

[spring atlas]

classic Pilav

[indigo wadi]

Technically, yes, but Soda did it anyways

[jolly sky]

Yea Pilav was the one who made actual sexual/harassment comments towards Female streamers. To the point where when he got kicked, his fans harassed Annie, and Thor called Annie to be the voice of reason for her and told her to report the people throwing shit at her in her Twitch chat

[indigo wadi]

Tyler wouldn't have kicked Thor.

[flat moat]

Yeah, there wasn't. I meant it more so as a workplace issue where Thor was basically harassed by others

[exotic forge]

Does it matter? The fact that Soda was able to go behind Tyler's back and guild kick Thor means that whole arrangement didn't mean squat

[spring atlas]

bc Yamato cried to mommy Tyler

[indigo wadi]

That wouldn't have mattered. Tyler straight up said he wouldn't have kicked Thor.

Soda went over Tyler and kicked Thor.

[flat moat]

Tyler was chill with Thor but saw that since he was kicked, it wasn't worth bringing him back due to this gkick basically burning the bridge. Soda jumped the gun

[exotic forge]

Soda and his friends had a problem with Thor and they went over Tyler's head while he was sleeping to kick Thor

[vocal crystal]

I would say ya it does matter going rogue

[exotic forge]

I should have specified.

Tyler being the acting guild leader didn't matter. If Soda and his buddies have a problem with you, they'll kick you whether fair or not

[earnest mirage]

But Soda is still leader of the Project, Tyler is just warchief. Think about soda as a GM.

[vocal crystal]

Aaaah yupp

[jolly sky]

Either way the best part of all this is the people that Thor made actual friends with during it. Annie, Winky, Kristofer (Hubert) and Redzy

[earnest mirage]

annie was before that already iirc ^^

[jolly sky]

I hope they manage to play some Monster Hunter together and have fun

[exotic forge]

The best part about this I'm looking forward to Thor's AOC reign

[jolly sky]

Yea thats seems to be true

[vocal crystal]

I cannot wait for the new MH

[jolly sky]

I'd like to see them hop into World beforehand, Winky is currently playing through World currently

[exotic forge]

If OnlyFangs joins AOC, they can be kill on sight for Actual pirates muwahahaha

[wind hare]

they wouldn't dare

[jolly sky]

At the moment he's at the first hunt of the best boy, Dodogama

https://tenor.com/view/dodogama-hue-laughing-gif-11979379

[earnest mirage]

nah, only if they give them a reason. Otherwise treat as normal players.

[flat moat]

Pretty sure Thor wouldn't like that

[vocal crystal]

They would if they thought the could milk for content. They'd try and milk an almond for content

[spring atlas]

btw did Federation leave the server?

[exotic forge]

Thor has initated kill on sight for many guilds in AOC

[spring atlas]

i'm a little behind on the news on that

[wind hare]

Well i hope they do then because then I could join in on ganking them

[jolly sky]

Only for ones that earned it, not just for existing however

[earnest mirage]

yep

[exotic forge]

I don't think so but I haven't followed the past few days

[flat moat]

True but that's because their form of diplomacy is griefing, harassment and lying

[exotic forge]

Griefing, harrassment and lying...sounds familiar

[wind hare]

Why would the Feds leave? They have a ton of people here and seem to be doing well

[exotic forge]

And I think the Feds want to be in the same server as Thor

[flat moat]

As of now, it doesn't seem likely any of the Only Fangs guys that aren't friends will play

[exotic forge]

Lol that topic started as was more of a funny thought I had. It wasn't that serious.

[flat moat]

I getchu

[wind hare]

Watching Cohh's video on CKD2, damn it looks good. I don't know if its something Thor would play but they did a great job

[indigo wadi]

Christ...I need eye bleach after spending the last X amount of minutes of reading the most twisted trash ever (RE: "THAT" farm thread that I accidentally stumbled upon).

[vocal crystal]

Dude is genuine, felt real bad for him and his girl during her first pregnancy. It's why he became so good at chess so fast.

[vocal crystal]

Tldr? Lol

[indigo wadi]

kiwi farms thread

I dont even have an account

[vocal crystal]

I stay away from drama so I have no idea what kiwi is besides the fruit haha

[indigo wadi]

Only reason why I checked was to see what supposed info they farmed up.

And given they'll twist narratives, I'm naturally not believing nonsense

[jolly sky]

It's a place filled with jaded, hateful people who hate themselves and their lives so much that they feel the need to project it onto others

And make up whatever nonsense they see fit to bring other people to their level

[worthy ivy]

sounds like the internet to me 😉

[jolly sky]

pardon

[worthy ivy]

at least, unfiltered interner

*net

words are hard

[spring atlas]

holyy we have a celebrity here?

i didn't know you were famous like that Dan

[jolly sky]

I didn't know either. Oh well

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

Nope, not a single creative bone in my body

[indigo wadi]

gets unqiue in PoE 2 on Witch toon, gets Rogue armour

[median mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-cum-zone-only-cum-inside-anime-girls-quivering-clit-double-jointed-pussy-fresh-balls-gif-15402381

[spring atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/fate-fate-heavens-feel-cu-chulainn-lancer-run-gif-23228337

[ember ember]

I'm pretty positive that he's mentioned something about playing it soon

[blissful imp]

So umm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-EGzzIIxTc he put it back up

Sorry for sharing just letting them know

all though i'm sure thor already knows

[serene valley]

Growing your community based on hate doesn't seem like a healthy thing, that can only turn around to bite you in the behind

[golden mirage]

You don't need to link the video, that just drives more clicks to him which gives him more ad revenue. Say what you want about the video or situation, don't support what he's doing.

[serene valley]

Oh I'm not clicking for sure

I think it's dumb to go hatewatch the hatewatchers

[ocean agate]

its to cold to get food, and im to hungry to deal with the stupid drama, can i just just hibernate till spring

[golden mirage]

yes

[indigo wadi]

Course he did.

[blissful imp]

yep, however it makes a ton of money on youtube. just look at the crazy amount of grift content there is on youtube with movie and game reviews.

[exotic forge]

Seriously what does this guy have against Thor?

[golden mirage]

hair envy

he's jealous of Thor's hair.

[serene valley]

Anyone would be

[golden mirage]

true

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/homura-chika-haruchika-anime-girl-gif-22746821

[exotic forge]

I think they're jealous of Thor's voice. The projection is real

[golden mirage]

that too. I'm sure there's a few haters that feel grieved because of a perceived unjustified ban but most are some form of jealousy/envy turned to anger or hatred.

They feel they should have the kind of success he has and can't stand that they don't so they blame him for little things to justify their feelings.

[unreal river]

Prob just a guy who loves drama and feeds off it.

From what I've heard of the game it's pretty much a lot of edgey cringe drama hehehe look imma talk about stuff!

[blissful imp]

he's just a redditor clearly.

[wind hare]

You know Reddit is just a social media platform and has good and bad users just like all the other ones.

[strange owl]

The thing about Reddit is that after a while the open platform becomes a bubble of whatever you participate in. Good or bad.

It's easy to get jaded by this and think that this is the whole truth.

[vague palm]

Reddit is just a forum host in the same way Discord is. It's a bunch of small communities on one large wobsite.

[strange owl]

Exactly, you curate it yourself

[serene spruce]

Drama is stupid. Everyone here is over the age of 13, so people need to start acting like it.

Forget the schoolyard insults, the stupid cliques, and the idiotic people dying to show off how great they are.

People who need to shout out to others how 'Great they are', are insecure, and inherently not worth the attention. They're compensating so hard that the IRS would take notice of it if they got any more.

The best way to deal with attention seekers is to ignore them entirely. Ignore drama, focus on real issues instead of celebrity news, or scandal rags, or the hottest new styles, or what some idiot said to some other dunce.

Small people talk about other people. Normal people talk about facts, and the truly great speak of the future.

Be a visionary. Don't fall for the stupid trap of paying attention to what someone wants to make a big deal out of.

[unreal river]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[unreal river]

Echo chamber is the term IIRC?

Def. The different r/ are super condensed groups that are typically heavy fans of whatever.

More so than even discord servers typically.

Cuz even though we're here on Thor's servers it's not like that all we talk about.

Imo the guy can keep making his cheap shock games that just dredge up drama but if that's all he does he'll never amount to anything solid.

Plus he's just building up his rep for being some hate bottom feeder.

[candid grove]

True. Recently I joined the r/kittens sub, and all people there just love cats. A true echo chamber
/s

[strange owl]

Not so much an eco chamber as a curated list.
I choose to mute lsf and other places with similar content and the subs I do participate in are great, so my experience with Reddit is just positive.

Someone who either goes in raw, or opted to only read lsf would have another opinion.

Except for all the bots I should say, but that's a different matter

[tranquil jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/108686075781726208/1021213678923690004/esports.gif

[tranquil schooner]

No Stream tonight?

[plucky ginkgo]

stream just started

[golden mirage]

nope, he retired

[gentle mortar]

just started as you said that

[bronze pier]

But he had already 7'ed chat...

[tranquil schooner]

I checked right before he started. LOL thank you.

[blissful imp]

i'm now on my 69th Watch Streak!

[unreal river]

7

[unreal river]

Noice.

[sterile eagle]

Nice

[candid grove]

Nice

[candid grove]

Can't believe he retired to Ligma

[unreal river]

funny seeing the trolls in twitch chat who are just ignorant.

Saying that thor is somehow "making kids play this game" is funny.

If you see a bit of content and buy a game and don't do any research regarding if it's a full game or not isn't the content maker's problem.

You should always check what you're buying XD

[candid grove]

I'm not really a streamwatcher person, but I started watching Thor on stream (and not just shorts, lol) about a week ago and I've already missed him on his break days lol

[tribal nest]

Wait, Thor didn’t show up at the side of your bed with a gun to your head, and forced you to buy and then play Ashes of Creation for one month straight?

[candid grove]

okay, for real, calling mods for someone trolling by saying "I worked at blizz for 7 years" is overkill

I mean some viewers call mods for that. It's just trolling

[unreal river]

Nah not at all...What's that nois-...<glass shattering sound> OMG AAAAH Must play AOC!

Reminds me of what TotalBiscuit would say. Don't take any one person's opinions as your own. Listen and watch many other ppl and build your opinion on that.

If someone watches one vid on a game or anything and jumps right at it. That's on them.

[candid grove]

Ah, I miss TotalBiscuit

I think he was the first content creator I really liked and passed and it hit me real bad

[unreal river]

Yeh

Could you imagine TB and Thor meeting?

That would be wild I imagine

[candid grove]

also both of their voice melts butter

[unreal river]

They both have narrator/radio host voices.

RIP as Thor is running back to his body someone was doing what he died to lol

Trying to fighotse those 3 goblin things

Pretty sure they died to one of them lol

[wanton stump]

Its so sad to see how people just believe whatever claims they see uncritically when they dont like someone already

Like I get that its very normal to do but its so bizarre to me

I always need like 3 sets of corroborating evidence to believe anything regardless of who its from

Its so alien to me to just take things at face value

[worthy ivy]

I know i'm late, I must say I'm /only/ subbed here on the off-chance that Thor will feel the need to show up at the side of my bed with a gun to my head and force me to buy and then play Ashes of Creation for a month straight - that sounds fun 🙂

[strange owl]

The chance of that happening becomes exponentially higher if you have a tv by your bed.

[worthy ivy]

laptop lives on the nightstand if I'm sleep-watching stuff

but yet the alarm clock fails to wake me up every morning

every

single

morning

[wanton stump]

New Drama just dropped: Thor is breaking into peoples houses in a banana costume and then freakishly screaming at them all night before throwing floopy disks at them with the entire Ashes of Creation source code

[strange owl]

Already at >0 then

[worthy ivy]

there's a meme in there somewhere

also not floppy disks

zipdisk

sharper corners

more weight

the zipdisk is the superious projectile

*superior

words are hard

[wanton stump]

Of course, witness accounts couldnt distinguish the diference

Kids dont know what zipdisks are nowdays

[worthy ivy]

not my description

[inland bramble]

I do NOT miss Zip disks.... I hated those things

[worthy ivy]

I had a whopping 1gb harddrive so never needed a zipdisk until after CDRW became a thing

[inland bramble]

Though I bet If I dug enough I could still find a reader and some disks

[worthy ivy]

at the time it was 'a whole gigabyte? why are you wasting money on a drive that's so big no one could ever fill it?'

[inland bramble]

Lol I remember those arguments

[wanton stump]

"Super Floppy" Thor kills endagered animal in "mushroom induced delirium" where "Those monkeys were trying to steal my goblin gold!" says eyewitness report

[inland bramble]

I went from like 850mb to like 4gb or something

[worthy ivy]

laughs in didn't-age-well - found a 64mb memory stick the other day

[inland bramble]

lol

[worthy ivy]

that M with an 'M'

[inland bramble]

still have some 128Mb compact flash cards somewhere

[wanton stump]

I remember when having 512mb on your phone memory disk was considered a lot

[inland bramble]

I remember when we tried to upgrade from 8Mb RAM to 16Mb Ram and it wasn't the right RAM.

[solemn badger]

Anyone need an upgrade? 😄

AMD vs Intel fight resolved
¿Por qué no los dos?

[inland bramble]

lol

[worthy ivy]

I remember upgrading to 8mb of RAM to play OG quake and still needing a bootdisk

[inland bramble]

lol

[solemn badger]

I remember upgrading an Atari ST to 1MB of RAM
Dungeon Master worked so much faster after that 😄

[strange owl]

IRQ 5 or 10?

[inland bramble]

I don't remember what game it was, but there was some game I had that wouldn't run if you first launched Windows and then went back to Dos, you had to boot directly to Dos before Windows otherwise it wouldn't have enough memory to launch.

[strange owl]

512 kb is enough for any computer - Bill Gates

[worthy ivy]

now I want to dig my Amiga out and make some tracker tunes

[solemn badger]

MilkyTracker 🙂

[worthy ivy]

A500+ crew represent!

[inland bramble]

I think I purged most of my really old hardware awhile ago, most of what I have laying around is just old 1u servers

[worthy ivy]

I really liked APtracker - had that running on my Acorn RISC PC

good times

[solemn badger]

I've still got my Cobalt RaQ 4r
Those were some sexy servers (shame the software sucked 😄 )

[worthy ivy]

sry, that was just gibberish before 'awhile ago'

pur-ged ... old... hardware? what is this black magic of which you speak

[solemn badger]

My A500 developed a keyboard fault, so I built a PS/2 keyboard adaptor - it didn't feel the same (obvs)

[worthy ivy]

love the A500 - you could slap a megadrive controller on it and it just worked straight out of the box - and deluxe paint was so unbelieveably ahead of it's time

got so much soft for my amiga, but made the mistake of keeping the disks stacked in boxes - so they kind of bled into one another - I got a box of grey disks with original labels and no data 😦

/useable/ data anyway

have to find an amiga disk image archive and fix them all - is there a market for original amiga disk or do people just interweb them these days?

[solemn badger]

Do they still work? I'd have thought they'd have de-magnetised by now
I guess people might buy them so they're "legal" when they play the games through an emulator

[worthy ivy]

they demagnetised years ago 🙂 but the Amiga is in good nick - grabbed it at a car boot 20 years ago for a fiver (and I'm pretty sure it's had the battery fixed) - just needs a clean up and a retrobrite and it's good to go

holy moly - someone's selling deluxe paint 4 boxed for 70 quid!

50 quid for Heimdall 2... what is going on?

I think I need to repopulate the data on those disks!

[iron ruin]

Took me way too long

[distant escarp]

who donated 5k? O_o

[flat moat]

Game forge

[jolly sky]

Some madlad called Gameforge

Could also be a company?

[flat moat]

Definitely is

They've got a decent portfolio

[jolly sky]

If its the game developer I've never heard of any of their games, but props to 'em regardless

[vague palm]

They seem to have a game called "Tiny Thor" lmao

[covert monolith]

what google pulls up;

OH they published TERA huh!

[jagged skiff]

oh neat they also published aion, i remember playing that

[covert monolith]

that makes sense, TERA and Aion were pretty similar tbh

[gleaming nimbus]

Unironically I really enjoyed Tera on the Xbox one

[strange owl]

Was Tera the one that advertised active blocking/dodging in an mmo?

[inland bramble]

I think so?

[strange owl]

I have a vague recollection of that being a selling point. I tried it for a bit iirc.

[inland bramble]

Same, I remember very briefly playing it

at least I think it was Tera

Less sure after looking at it more

[indigo wadi]

Aion was published by NCSoft

[vague palm]

Games can have multiple publishers

[indigo wadi]

The wiki page makes no mention of Gameforge

[strange owl]

"In May 2012, the company released TERA, which started as a pay-to-play title with monthly costs for game access, and was then converted to the company’s usual free-to-play model in February 2013." Gameforges wiki does

[indigo wadi]

Referring to Aion

[strange owl]

ah, that too

[strange owl]

yeah it does not mention how they are affiliated, but it's featured pretty heavily

They seem to be the publisher, maybe in the euro region

(from their euro website)

[indigo wadi]

That doesn't make any sense. Where's the connection that they're a publisher?

[jagged skiff]

well i mean considering I said the aion thing after I checked gameforges website and saw that they're publishing it, that's kind of the connection lol

just cuz it's not listed where you pulled the image from doesn't mean they're not

doesn't matter tho, I prolly played it with NCSoft publishing cuz I ain't in EU, it's just neat that they're doing it

[strange owl]

It might simply be that the Aion wiki isn't up to date, since both the Gameforge wiki and their own website lists them

or that they're a regional publisher of some sort as mentioned

[gaunt remnant]

Aion is developed NCSoft?

They better stick to publishing

[tiny sleet]

Mods, @Maya in the interview stream header does not work as a link to her channel. If that was the intent.

[formal kestrel]

i think the heart that is there after the name wasnt given a space
so its Maya💛 not Maya 💛

as it should be

[earnest cove]

What animal was it again that loves 100 years and digs through brick???

Oh a tortoise

[wintry pond]

wait, so are mods ducks?

[jolly sky]

If anything they're Geese

[indigo wadi]

So they're angry for no reason?

[jolly sky]

Nah they're incredibly good for security

[covert monolith]

cobra chickens

[jolly sky]

And can't be tempted

[spice dragon]

no

[serene valley]

You could distract them with 2 people I suppose

[left hull]

woop woop

[jolly sky]

Oh shit Firebreak labs are the guys that Thor did a sponsored stream on for Warside

[river charm]

will the interviews be watchable on youtube or something since the VoD is probably gonna be deleted?

[gentle mortar]

he just said that yes

[river charm]

nvm, thor just answered

[uneven salmon]

Did anyone manage to snag a clip of his reaction?

[wind hare]

Now that i think about it, do you think Elon's stunt brought more people to purchase POE2?

Free advertisement

Winky is hiding in the twitch chat

[jolly sky]

"Lemme play this game so I can clown on this guy"

Spite is a powerful motivator

[wind hare]

That and I'm sure he has his own cult of personality who were like, "I want to play the same game as my hero!"

[jolly sky]

I wonder if they will pay for someone to play on their account

[wind hare]

I hope they do, get banned and have to buy it again. The company will make a ton of money off them

and then we get a better game with more funding!

I do love that a ton of Reddit is banning X now. Makes me happy inside

I know they should ban him, but Elon has so much power now that no ones going to do anything to him.

I'm waiting for him to stab someone on the street and everyone to shrug and move on. Sad

[fresh ruin]

I'm waiting for the opposite

[wind hare]

Well I mean, yes, I would be awesome if everyone was held to the same standard. I've just lost a lot of optimism

Best joke ever lol

We need a thread with all the best tts jokes

[ashen fog]

not taking a side, but reminding that politics is a nono here

[thick ledge]

yeah lets lighten up on the topic

and talk about something else

[terse pelican]

Let's talk about how @thick ledge Is Stinky.

[thick ledge]

wtf

[terse pelican]

It's a lighter topic ain't it?

[gentle mortar]

He's a stinky AND a duck

It's the truth

[woeful peak]

[distant escarp]

man 90% of my messages get a shoutout on stream today 😄

[strange owl]

Stink is heavy, you want good smells for lighter

[golden mirage]

Zafaroth smells like bread?

[strange owl]

fresh bread smells good

[candid grove]

https://tenor.com/view/this-bread-smells-amazing-alan-shane-lewis-the-great-canadian-baking-show-702-what-a-great-smell-gif-13498703833364148665

[verbal depot]

I will just leave this here with note that Thor always streams at least 12 hours. And yes, this is from today.

Twitch VoD

[brisk sparrow]

Your point?

[spring atlas]

10 minutes of stream less

must be crippling depression

it cannot be a simple coincidence

[stone nacelle]

[serene valley]

he's had slightly shorter streams before

they've mostly been going on for longer than usual when he was doing stuff with OF tbh

[golden mirage]

Its because twitch hasn't updated the servers to the latest flat earth model of celestial mechanics and time tracking. Thor is streaming the same as always.