streamchat

[terse pelican]

I'd say the Longplay is great. And is the cut version.

[strange owl]

It was better to play along live, but the condensed version gets the important bits

[terse pelican]

otherwise, it's like 60+ hours

[candid grove]

I will check it out then, thank you! 🙂

[strange owl]

He spent many hours jumping around doing "nothing"

[untold aurora]

Really, guys, we should stop trying to prove the haters that their points are bullshit. They know.

[jolly sky]

Some of which we can't watch because the VoD is older* than Twitch allows it to be saved for, and Youtube doesn't keep the stream after 11Hrs and 55mins

[terse pelican]

That too.

[strange owl]

It was kind of evident by the pieces he did find, and iirc chat also said so

[jolly sky]

The haters are reaching so far they resemble Stretch Armstrong

[lapis wind]

Because although chat are discouraged from giving answers, if you say something is only solvable with help, that's not giving an answer to a puzzle. So... chat told him

[terse pelican]

Semantics, He didn't solve it ''alone'' Ergo, He cheated ( Except, It was a community Effort. )

[lapis wind]

scroll up. We're not repeating ourselves here.

[terse pelican]

Which secret ending

also.

https://tenor.com/view/wyaking-gif-9712475764034023502

Where in the video is it?

so I can check which one you mean

[lapis wind]

It's not that long ago, jeez. Scroll up to the rabbit pic and the conversation around there

[tender turtle]

@sour geyser i think?

[wintry pond]

oh no, not this boss, I hope he has the dps for it

[tender turtle]

ah alright, i was only paying half attention 😉

[strange owl]

We found the first wingding, then spent many many hours trying to find more

[terse pelican]

So you gloss over him staring at the screen, Noticing the pattern at the wall?

[strange owl]

At the end there were probably like 40 hours of stream grasping at any straw

[cinder creek]

yeah the wingding puzzle is what most experienced animal well players are taking most issue with. It seems super SUS

[strange owl]

The only thing we really skipped over was the speedrunner thing

[serene valley]

you can literally watch the part in the video where he's working on getting the wingdings

[candid grove]

So is this Animal well for content creators with a community or can I sit down alone and play it and go to their discord when I see a puzzle needs others? Or was it a one and done thing?

[exotic forge]

When LSF accuses Thor of something
instantly believes it

When people defend Thor
asks more questions and evidence than the FBI

[lapis wind]

For anything that required a community to solve, there was a community in the Discord for Animal Well.
I would also add that the dude has badges for hacking and puzzle solving, so there's no doubt he is pretty good at solving puzzles.
This LSF stuff is nonsense. End of.

[jolly sky]

How else would he have done the puzzle other than solving it himself when no walkthrough existed for it? Come on buddy use your head.

[opaque zealot]

https://youtu.be/zF4ijyCBARU?si=-l3pHfqN5vxVD9vN&t=25117

Enjoy

[strange owl]

There's also the tiny tiny fact that there were no solutions available at the time ...

[lapis wind]

^

[opaque zealot]

Yep, it wasn't solved until that point

[terse pelican]

''Reasonable Question'' When it all ONLY Now shows up cause of all the other drama.

Drama Digging, And reaching at non-exsistent straws

[cinder creek]

He wasn't the first person to complete it, it had already been completed when he did his run

[opaque zealot]

Same puzzle

[exotic forge]

I miss the days when someone would just say something racist and get banned. Now we gotta go through deposition and interrogation before they are outed

[serene valley]

do you mean when the longplay was uploaded, or do you mean when he streamed it

[terse pelican]

''Streamer Plays puzzle game.'' - ''Solves Hard puzzle.'' - ''Gets into some drama later.'' - ''Gets called fake, Cheater, Etc with lack of evidence.'' - ''Internet Eats it up like it's absolute Fact.''

[jolly sky]

Get your stories straight fellas

[lapis wind]

Your "genuine question" is looking less and less genuine

[opaque zealot]

That's called being a reasonable person lmao

[serene valley]

cuz you can't use the longplay upload date as when he solved it

[cinder creek]

The bunny picture isnt the same as the wingding puzzle. They're two separate ones. The wingding puzzle doesn't need the community to solve it

[fallow fable]

shroud also **looks ** like he is aimbotting but no there just exists extraordinary people

[terse pelican]

I'm dismissing it cause of the timing OF The question.

[jolly sky]

Actually no we can't see how long you've followed or subbed for

[candid grove]

I honestly don’t understand why are you so invested to get a detailed reasoning of how he didn’t cheat lol

[terse pelican]

Plenty of time from then to now for it to be asked, But to ask it at this point, when Thor is in the spotlight of Drama.

[cinder creek]

what do you think is contradictory about that?

[strange owl]

I think it's time to go watch ferrets again.

[exotic forge]

Yeah it's quite interesting why they're so invested in this and the timing of it all

[strange owl]

Or in the words of the baby:

[jolly sky]

"It had already been completed"

"It took the entire community weeks to solve"

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/rik-spek-bonte-avond-gif-15983912236840138441

[green cave]

Try to understand, the community has been dealing with heinus crap for a while now and it's kinda ragged

[cinder creek]

yeah after weeks they solved it so it was completed ?

[terse pelican]

Was it completed at the time of him streaming, or at the time of him uploading the Longplay is what they're asking.

You're avoiding that question

[gaunt remnant]

It's the good ol' "You're lying, give me proof that you're not." "Do you have proof that I'm lying?" "I just know you're lying" problem

[terse pelican]

So..?

Walkthrough exsist. Everyone that plays game is a cheater - Logic ?

[opaque zealot]

Does anyone know when he streamed it? because that would just put this to bed

[marble dagger]

can someone give me a link to the twitter post regarding of? i have no twitter but want to know what the situation is

[jolly sky]

Thor didn't played the game for weeks. So how could have could it simultaneously been completed, and also took the entire community weeks to solve

Is your head just for decoration or something

[cinder creek]

So pirate is the first one to solve it?

[terse pelican]

No. I'm asking if that's what you're implying

[green cave]

likely not

[candid grove]

I mean if you played CoD after other people have played it, are you not a cheater?!!! /s

[somber bramble]

The mental gymnastitcs going on rn are wild.

[hollow yacht]

honestly dude you really dont. its just reddit going bananas and everyone making stuff that's very clearly false

[gaunt remnant]

People accusing someone of something and asking for proof, but if you ask for evidence of why they accused in the first place you're in the wrong. Backwards logic

[jolly sky]

Olympic level

[serene valley]

looking at it, the last animal well stream was on 19th of may, while an article about the puzzle being solved was written 20th of may

[terse pelican]

I mean, Everyone cheats at CoD, That's just known facts.

[serene valley]

so it was right around the same time

[cinder creek]

no im implying that the community solved it before Pirate. Which means that pirate could look up the info?

[terse pelican]

Could doesn't mean he did.

[wintry pond]

but he didnt

[terse pelican]

You could look up Anything at any time, Doesn't mean you do

[opaque zealot]

Game came out on the 9th aswell

So likely he was one of the first

[jolly sky]

If so, why would he have spent Multiple hours and days solving the puzzle he "Already knew how to solve"

[wintry pond]

I was there for most of the time live, there were times where he was stuck for close to an hour that got cut

[lapis wind]

THIS. Was just googling this and found the same stats.

[untold aurora]

But these questions don't seem like they're asked in good faith

[terse pelican]

Community Effort: Helps solve it, Gets called cheater months later.

[gaunt remnant]

But 30s Twitch clips are so much more accurate than a whole 12h stream to tell a full story. Get your redditing right!

[serene valley]

the longplay is not something you can use to determine when it was solved cause it's a compilation of about 2 weeks of different streams in 1 video uploaded later

[candid grove]

Could and did are too different statements. First prove he did look up before asking others to prove he hadn’t

[opaque zealot]

I wish Youtube actually kept streams over 12 hours, that would just settle this completely

[exotic forge]

Yep and some people are just failing to realize this, must be their first day on the interwebs 🙂

[lapis wind]

yep

[untold aurora]

Because of the timing 🙂

[serene valley]

so yeah, while there's a possibility thor looked it up, what's more likely imo is that he was solving the puzzle parallel to/ together with the community

[somber bramble]

Thor: Wins multiple puzzle solving awards at a puzzle sovling convention. Skeptics: How could he solve puzzles?

[opaque zealot]

Well yeah, the onus is on the people making the allegations to prove it

[cinder creek]

i guess he wanted to make it look like he solved it on his own? I think its a pretty valid questions considering how long it took for the whole community to solve it together (the wingding puzzle)

[terse pelican]

You're acting as if he's not part of said community.

[haughty pelican]

late reply ofc they dont have 2 cells in hell, you only get 1 cell in hell and its usually shared

[wintry pond]

he was actually scared|| at the printer part,|| you could see it

[gaunt remnant]

Those same people are also doubting him winning 3 black badges at DEFCON or trying to say he didn't earn it by himself but only his team earned it for him. That's the level we're at

[candid grove]

No. These are not questions. You are repeating accusations despite any explanation and links.

Either move on, or keep doing this but you will get banned

[hollow yacht]

AND they have to share it with the orange cats

[marble dagger]

i mean the post thor just mentioned. i really dont want to get into drama, but im interested what our goblin lord said, because he clearly is evading the topic which he never did before in my memory

[serene valley]

lmao I remember that

[cinder creek]

but i dont think he was a part of the community effort that solved it before he started his playthrough?

[gaunt remnant]

Reaching at straws to make up their own story instead of trying to find the actual truth

[somber bramble]

Thats what i was referring to.

[terse pelican]

''You don't think'' That's the problem right there.

[exotic forge]

Are you able to provide any proof of Thor wanting to make it look like he solved it on his own? I hope you're not fishing with this comment

[hollow yacht]

ah. which one did he reference

[untold aurora]

Answers have already been given

[marble dagger]

he just said "read the twitter post" and just went on

[lapis wind]

https://tenor.com/view/directions-roundabout-turning-sipsons-lost-gif-20075150

[exotic forge]

Chat, we need to play the same game Jason and yeenevalie are doing. Just keep asking them for proof whenever they make a statement up about Thor

[hollow yacht]

then...go to twitter?

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-joey-tribbiani-im-afraid-im-gonna-need-proof-matt-leblanc-gif-17328161

[serene valley]

it's in #news

[hollow yacht]

that too!

[terse pelican]

We're literally telling you the truth, and you're questioning everything as if we're paid shills

[gaunt remnant]

So what you're saying is: Your idea that he might have faked his run came to you in a dream?

[somber bramble]

I need proof you havent been doing that.

[serene valley]

I wish I was a paid shill

would mean I would get paid to tell the truth

[candid grove]

Yeah? Prove it

[untold aurora]

One more reason their questions don't seem genuine, actually

[terse pelican]

Or, The Un-truth, depending on who you ask

[opaque zealot]

To be fair, Jason hasn't. I understand everyone has their back up but that dosen't help the situation. If you don't want to answer then don't interact

[serene valley]

no that's just the alternate reality truth

[hollow yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[dusk canyon]

I don't have proof, but i have bread

[hollow yacht]

the state of this channel today

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[dusk canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/kissing-the-bread-brian-lagerstrom-smooching-the-bread-giving-the-bread-a-kiss-gif-14286366944496546785

[serene valley]

adam savage knows what's up

[terse pelican]

He sure do

[gaunt remnant]

Today? You should've seen it for the last week

[hollow yacht]

touche

[green cave]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wizard-pizza-gif-10679363666336772915

[opaque zealot]

To be fair, its been a pretty terrible week for this community so I can see why they're cautious but it dosen't excuse it

[somber bramble]

My guy, you've gotten answers and then said the answers werent good enough. What did you expect would happen?

[serene valley]

mmmm pizza

[jolly sky]

Come on buddy you gotta use your common sense at some point today

[exotic forge]

They need more 'proof'

[green cave]

Indeeed

[untold aurora]

The goal posts are moving very fast

[terse pelican]

Also. Something is sus on this topic. These two people seem to interchangably chat.

[hollow yacht]

if we send bread to the mods and thor opens it to prevent them from having bread, can he be arrested for obstruction of correspondence

[candid grove]

This is what Thor said happens: shifting the goal post

[terse pelican]

Like one chats for a bit, then the other chats for a bit.

Exact same topic

[hollow yacht]

i have bertuccis rolls and dipping sauce that they deserve

[exotic forge]

It's just funny reading people answer questions and these people asking for more proof. Meanwhile the original accusations are just assumed as factual

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-conspiracy-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017163

[green cave]

I'm just extolling the virtues of pizza

[opaque zealot]

God you guys on both sides, i'm going to start investing in tinfoil

[gaunt remnant]

If you want to solve a problem, you need to form a hypothesis and try to both prove and disprove this hypothesis. Playing devil's advocate doesn't get you anywhere

[somber bramble]

Ima take a step back and do you a solid: Why dont you go watch him play games on stream? The way he plays games is very consistent. You should be able to pick up pattens of him reading stuff and solving things in real time.

[terse pelican]

It's more that baseless claims gets met with questions

[untold aurora]

To clarify, the accusations against whom? Because if you mean those against Thor, no they're not.

[hollow yacht]

costco has a sale going can you get me some

[exotic forge]

I never called you a hater

[marble dagger]

@hollow yacht you where right.... i hate the internet

[green cave]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-cat-fuzzy-hug-surprised-gif-4964438

[jolly sky]

Extra ordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We've been offering you sensible rebuttals, but all you've been doing is offering conjecture at best

[hollow yacht]

tis a cursed place

[serene valley]

idk what even was the question anymore, is it the "did he just look up a walktrhough for the final puzzle" or something

[exotic forge]

Well said Dan. @sour geyser this is simply what we are on about.

[marble dagger]

it surely is

[opaque zealot]

I think all we can really offer at this time is; Thor was speaking with the people in the animal well discord at the time and completed the game on the 19th - 20th and the game was release on the 9th. Thor has a history of puzzle solving including a career in penetration testing

I personally believe that he solved all but the community puzzle on his own and then worked with the community and participated in the Discord to solve that one

[somber bramble]

I said you should watch him play games. If you pay attention to the WAY he plays games, you would see his deductive reasoning, and would see that him figuring out things in real time is how he plays.

[terse pelican]

Accurate assesment In my opinion

[untold aurora]

Friendly reminder that arguments from incredulity are worthless.

"I can't believe Thor did it" doesn't mean he didn't

[terse pelican]

He ''solved'' the community puzzle, Alone, Without being a part of the community? Yeh nah.

He OBVIOUSLY was part of it.

[exotic forge]

It's quite extraordinary. Thor is indeed a very talented person at solving puzzles. I hope you're not trying to insinuate anything else.

[candid grove]

And why is it hard to believe he may be smart enough to solve it?

It’s like saying every time a sports world record is beat, the sportsperson must have been cheating…

[opaque zealot]

I think we can drop it now, this isn't productive

[serene valley]

I can't believe Usain Bolt would cheat by training and being good at running fast

[candid grove]

Yeah feel like we are walkimg in circles

https://tenor.com/view/deadhorse-lol-gif-4927979

[fallow fable]

how long did it actually take to solve? Thor also makes his own puzzles so its not that weird he could also solve them

[terse pelican]

Can't believe he was genetically bred to be the fastest man in the world.

[untold aurora]

No, don't do this, you'll attract two rabid dogs!

[stuck halo]

https://tenor.com/view/eddie-murphy-shocked-snooping-gif-8222233

[dusk canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/szitinpantsachqwerasd-gif-21142195

[gaunt remnant]

Then the answer you seek is not something you can have with an argument like this. To answer this question, you need accurate info, timings, research and investigate all the evidence collected from it. Either by yourself or with a group of people. You're not going to find any type of answer from arguing about it, especially not in the span of 10 minutes

[exotic forge]

This is what bugs me about this. Jason acknowleges and agrees with some points. In they're last sentence, they make a statement that may be interpreted as them insinuating or accusing Thor of cheating.

Jaosn, can you confirm with me that I am indeed wrong in my assumption and you do not think Thor cheated?

[dry osprey]

Ar we again back to the same topic?

[opaque zealot]

Something like that, yep

[lapis wind]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-car-roundabout-flying-gif-11286701190733441369

[terse pelican]

It circled back.

[dry osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/concerned-novirak-concern-gif-9423725417083926120

[stuck halo]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-star-succession-gif-27712928

[serene valley]

also, if it was cheated... man would he suck at cheating, took multiple streams

[fallow fable]

ok case closed

[dry osprey]

We went through this every day. It was shit and its like going to be a week ago.

Drop it and get a hobby or touch some grass

Its boring now

[terse pelican]

The Animal Well Community = Help.

But you dismiss him being a part of it.

With what evidence exactly, Personal opinion?

[candid grove]

Not sure about superhuman feat, but he may have superhuman feet 😉

[serene valley]

have you actually watched the longplay

[exotic forge]

What do you think? Do you accept the answer that Thor is just good at solving puzzles then?

In that way, we can put to rest that you are insinuating statements about Thor cheating based on conjecture.

[gaunt remnant]

I think we're missing a very important question that should've been asked before arguing about any of it

[dry osprey]

Certain Streamer and Youtuber now trying to nitpick everything. Get a grip on your life man. They just want views and you bringing it

[gaunt remnant]

Has Thor ever claimed, insinuated or made it appear on purpose that he solved the entirety of the puzzle on his own?

[terse pelican]

At what point was it said to be a ''Blind Run'' ?

[somber bramble]

Quick, someone go ask Thor on stream about the allegations of him having superhuman feet.

[serene valley]

stream just ended

[dry osprey]

Thor is already off stream

[serene valley]

also I doubt he'd answer that

[somber bramble]

NOOOO. He has to answer the allegations!

[exotic forge]

Them lawyers at that Suits show asks less questions than this 😂

[candid grove]

I mean are we sure he exists from the waist down? I only saw him in shorts and streams

Prove me he has a full body!!

[coarse minnow]

Are we bread posting again yet?

[exotic forge]

I see. Thank you for your answer.

[terse pelican]

What if, He looked up that puzzle, On the Animal Well Discord, Because it's a community effort, but solved the rest on his own?

[serene valley]

idk I think he gets that one from the community

[fallow fable]

Have you seen him IRL does he actually exist at all??

[gaunt remnant]

Yes but did he claim or tried to make it appear that he solved it on his own entirely? That question is important

[terse pelican]

What if, Thor is an AI Supercomputer, that can parralel Park in the Shower?!

[dry osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-get-this-bread-gif-12741837

[somber bramble]

I need to know about the allegations of him having superhuman feet!

[candid grove]

I mean I saw videos of him, but that may be edited only!!

[dry osprey]

His feet are ferrets or ai

[coarse minnow]

BEHOLD, CHAT!

I OFFER TO YOU THE START OF A BATCH OF ENGLISH MUFFINS.

HAND KNEADED, NO DEVILISH MACHINERY IN MY KITCHEN.

I will check back in with more in an hour, after it Rises to the Occasion

[candid grove]

Post pics of the results please

[glacial cliff]

thor does bad at a video game
”OMG HES SO BAD, POSER, WHY DIDNT HE USE HIS HACKS”
thor does good at a video game
”HES SO GOOD, HE MUST HAVE USED HIS HACKS”

Shrodinger’s chat

[exotic forge]

I think we would need much more definitive proof before making such accusations or assumptions. Innocent until proven guilty as @opaque zealot loves to say

[gaunt remnant]

That answer has nothing to do with the question

[fallow fable]

#cooking ?

[coarse minnow]

Oh don't worry baby bird, I'll feed you. The baby bread needs time to groe.

Grow*

[candid grove]

*grove

[dry osprey]

Just because he is a hacker and worked for certain companys doesnt mean he must be a pro in every game?

[coarse minnow]

I mean probably but the last three days I came in here to bread posting

[fallow fable]

groove*

[terse pelican]

At this point, the answer You're only looking for is not here. You're free to stay and converse, But at this point, This topic is moot because you're unwilling to consider anything we say.

[dry osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kissing-the-bread-brian-lagerstrom-smooching-the-bread-giving-the-bread-a-kiss-gif-14286366944496546785

[opaque zealot]

You're right, I do indeed love proof. Its great when people have evidence, up until that point its all speculation

[glacial cliff]

People tryna tear down a dude for being a normal dude that pauses his stream to have a heart to heart with a chatter who’s going through a rough time… tells you a lot about the world we live in

[terse pelican]

Blind doesn't denote looking things up, Blind denotes looking things up BEFORE playing.

[opaque zealot]

Yeah it is rough

[gaunt remnant]

So he did not claim that this alledgedly very difficult puzzle that took the whole community to solve was solved by himself on his own with no help?

[exotic forge]

I don't fault the curiousity. I am a bit annoyed that the default stance you have taken is that Thor must have cheated and you're putting the burden on everyone here to prove that he didn't. Accusing someone of cheating means it's on you to provide definitive proof of the cheating.

[dry osprey]

Some people just pull out proof up their ass and make theorys that cannot be proofen right or false. So its better to just leave it :3

[terse pelican]

Then why are you rephrasing your answer trying to paint Thor as a cheater?

[coarse minnow]

Listen.

The only proof anybody needs is that of their bread before it bakes.

[dry osprey]

Never believe what streamer or youtuber say. It can always be false

[opaque zealot]

I mean, proof is proof. If its made up then its not factual

[serene valley]

also fireproof

[candid grove]

So now you are questioning the theory of superhuman feet 🦶?

[dry osprey]

Nono. BUTTER on their fresh backed bread

[untold aurora]

Well it's settled then. So why did you say he was dishonest about doing it blind when you agree he was open about doing it blind except for that one puzzle?

[dry osprey]

Do you have not superhuman feet?

[gaunt remnant]

Is this something you know? Or something you think you know?

[somber bramble]

Inquiring minds NEED to know.

[dry osprey]

Then its always the thing. Is it just false proof that never existed or is it real proof

[coarse minnow]

What about human superfeet?

[glacial cliff]

Won my first run on Balatro mobile, they said it couldn’t be done

[untold aurora]

I think you know exactly which ones we're referring to.

[dry osprey]

And now your addicted. Gz

[exotic forge]

I heard from LSF that Thor has extra large feet. Please show me evidence that Thor does not have extra large feet or else this rumor will remain factual

[terse pelican]

You're saying he didn't solve the ''Community Puzzle'' on his own. Because you don't believe it's possible?

[untold aurora]

And I think I'm done arguing with you.

[glacial cliff]

I’ve earned my blueprint joker finally

[terse pelican]

You said the Wingdings Puzzle.

[candid grove]

And does Superman have superfeet, or it’s just regular feet, but then where does his super parts end and the regular parts begin

[dry osprey]

Hacker

[terse pelican]

And why would he not be capable of solving it? Because no one had so far?

[opaque zealot]

Its all measured in probability and information. So far there's nothing factual against Thor's playthrough to say he didn't solve these puzzles other than assumption

And considering Thor's career and accomplishments, that makes it significantly more probable that he did solve all but the community puzzle on his own

[lapis wind]

When you say "Weeks to solve", what exactly was the timeframe on this? Because we know for a fact that Thor last streamed Animal Well on May 19th. An article came out May 20th about the community solving it. The longplay on YouTube was only published months later (July 27th), so that's not to be considered as when he solved it.

[coarse minnow]

Also the real answer re: Thor's feet is as follows:

We are Goblins. He is the Goblin King.

That means he has David Bowie feet.

[dry osprey]

Well either he did look up some or not doesnt mean he can think and prob doing them himself? I got done puzzles myself without looking it up what other people took weeks to finish 🤷‍♂️

[exotic forge]

Do these people have proof that Thor looked up hints?

[opaque zealot]

Yeah but the question isn't if he could, its if he did and personally I believe he did

[candid grove]

I mean, this is just pure logic

[gaunt remnant]

Without concrete facts at the base, the entire argument and discussion is quite literally worthless. Either you know a concrete piece of information and you want to see if it's true or not, or you don't and everything is pure speculation and conjecture. If he did claim he did those puzzles on his own, then you have a base but you have to back that up with a source first. Otherwise it means nothing at all, it's literally a waste of time

[serene valley]

I've scrolled through the longplay and like I can see places where he literally dreams up a theory to make animals be angry and then does those, and finds wingdings

[glacial cliff]

Send me to heaven rn

[candid grove]

Can I borrow the razor? I really need to shave

[dry osprey]

We never know what is going on on the other monitors exactly. Could be anything. Same with the phone. I see many people looking on their phone while streaming. Just because a ping or so came in that interested them

[exotic forge]

You're putting burden on people on here to provide proof based on nothing

[untold aurora]

The nerve to invoke Occam's Razor... "It's more likely that he cheated than that he solved this very difficult puzzle by himself", they say. No, it's more likely that someone with a couple of puzzle solving awards under their belt solved a difficult puzzle on their own, than that they cheated to solve it and managed to hide it from an entire community for months, right up until they were in the middle of a bullshit drama and people started calling them out on it.

[candid grove]

No questions 😳

[terse pelican]

Could be a Ferret related message, Or something from Khronos. So yeah. Could be 'anything' and without evidence, Claiming he looked up a guide is equally moot

[candid grove]

I want to show my worst noob Balatro play

[terse pelican]

But claiming it's a guide, At this point in time, is in bad faith.

[dry osprey]

In the end theorys are theorys. But there is no 100% proof 🤷‍♂️

[exotic forge]

Provide proof that Thor cheated, then we can discuss. Until then, innocent until proven guilty

Don't assume someone cheated

[terse pelican]

We are asking You for Proof, of your assumption

[dry osprey]

Could claim all the time he is looking up stuff. Earlier he was looking for a while to his right monitor. It was AoC related discord stuff i assume. Do i know this for sure? Of course not since im not living there

[opaque zealot]

You're encroaching on accusing them of thought crime at this point, best to just drop it

[candid grove]

Yeah spoiler alert: I lost that run

[terse pelican]

You're reflecting at this point

https://tenor.com/view/avoid-sounding-like-a-parrot-benjamin-learn-english-with-benjamin-benjamin-engvid-stop-sounding-like-a-parrot-gif-22184926

[lapis wind]

I mean, we have a term for this... it's called sealioning

[exotic forge]

They are accusing Thor of cheating and are asking for burden of proof based on different conjectures they bring up. If you fail to understand this, it's probably best if you stop replying to me as we disagree on this.

Reasonable conclusions with no proof

[dry osprey]

Ask next time about noita. He had ZERO clue for a couple of months. Did he find out himself about stuff? Yes to a point. Rest was chat and something looked up I ASSUME

[gaunt remnant]

"The facts as I know them" aren't facts they're opinions. Facts aren't what you know, they're what you have

[terse pelican]

There you go, No Proof, Wild conjecture, While we've got a bit more than that, We've got Thors word. We work under the assumption that he told us the truth.

[dry osprey]

Same is for animal well. In the end its more like if you enjoy the content and all. Dont question anything. Because you will never have a 100% answer

[exotic forge]

Any proof that Thor cheated?

[somber bramble]

I need proof that it took them weeks.

[dry osprey]

Tbf now i wanna rewatch animal well because i really enjoyed the gameplay 🤔

[serene valley]

it took them about 2 weeks afaik

[gaunt remnant]

Yes but saying that isn't a fact, it's vague. What are the timings? The dates? The claims? The sources? Without all of that, arguing is literally meaningless and pointless. Nobody is going to get out of this conversation with any sort of added value to any side of the argument

[terse pelican]

I would rewatch it aswell, but I'm starting to get a headache

[untold aurora]

I read 1984 and I believe this isn't thoughtcrime

[serene valley]

animal well release was 9th of may, I see articles about that puzzle being solved on 20th of may

that's like 11 days

[exotic forge]

Guys, I honestly am looking for proof that Thor cheated. Someone once said innonent until proven guilty. I believe we should not accuse or insinuate Thor on his own discord channel of cheating without proof.

[somber bramble]

They could have faked it.

[dry osprey]

Its sad that people ruin the fun in rewatching because some weird dude said its faked or something

[serene valley]

that's nearly 2 weeks

wow, so long

[terse pelican]

The Timing of all these ''Innocent Questions'' are just...

[dry osprey]

yes

[serene valley]

and last animal well stream from thor was 19th of may

so thor solved it about the same time

[terse pelican]

Plenty of time, AT the time of solving, to question it.

[gaunt remnant]

That's not what I said, I'm saying when did it happen? Concrete information and details. Jfc

[serene valley]

we've already said this like an hour ago

[exotic forge]

It's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain really

[serene valley]

so we're just going in circles

[opaque zealot]

I'm sorry but someone that presents themselves as "unbiased" and then goes on to assume someone's opinion is ironic but fine i'll leave you to it

[terse pelican]

it really is

[lapis wind]

It's also worth remembering that that ending may have been streamed before the 19th. I don't recall the order of events, so the 19th might have been something else he was trying to show?

[candid grove]

You can also choose to ignore it, let it go, and continue to enjoy thor’s content if you wish 😄

[serene valley]

maybe yea

[dry osprey]

Trust me i remember people trying puzzle for days and i do them in an instant. Sometimes people dont think outside a box and think in black and white

[exotic forge]

So we all agree that Thor is innocent until proven guilty and we won't make assumptions or insinuations about Thor cheating without definitive proof.

[serene valley]

just going with the "worst" case stuff

[lucid aspen]

hm

[terse pelican]

The Puzzle in question is in the later end of the Longplay, so I 'assume' it's near the end of his timeframe of streaming the game

[dry osprey]

Oh dont worry. A diskussion is always nice to have :3

[lucid aspen]

Thor and the mods doing a awesome job 😁😁🖤

[lapis wind]

Exactly. That would be logical, but we don't know. At the latest, he would have streamed it on the 19th, that's all we do know.

[opaque zealot]

Gosh I feel sorry for them today. Hope they and Thor are doing alright

[terse pelican]

Yeah

[exotic forge]

If that's what you think, go ahead. Don't ask people in Thor's chat to try to justify things based on the assumption that Thor cheated with no definitive proof of said cheating

[lucid aspen]

lols

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-disappointment-sigh-sigh-sad-regret-gif-17688444

[lucid aspen]

those hate watchers are the problem

[exotic forge]

You asking for things and openly talking about certain events being extraordinary may be taken by many people here as insinuations that Thor cheated. I hope we're all wrong and you're not insinuating that.

[lapis wind]

The guy has Defcon badges.

[lucid aspen]

I saw same happened to reforge gaming aka saynotorage

[thick ledge]

thor has certainly not cheated at animal well, as no guide was out for some of the puzzles he solved

so -shrug-

[gaunt remnant]

Until this is tackled the proper way, arguing about it is useless and a waste of time to everyone. There's no "I think" or "I saw" or "I know" there's links and sources.

[terse pelican]

Did you read the entire thing above?

[thick ledge]

no lol

[dry osprey]

Sadly some are not beliving :<

[somber bramble]

ooo. Maybe next they'll accuse him of cheating at defcon.

[gaunt remnant]

We need less of this

And more of this

[terse pelican]

Save your sanity then, Ain't worth it

[lapis wind]

Don't give them ideas

[candid grove]

Omg I need this reaction image

[gaunt remnant]

Here's another one

[somber bramble]

I'm playing 3D chess. They accuse him of cheating and piss off the Defcon community. Hilarity ensues.

[terse pelican]

You're contradicting yourself there. You think he's exceptional, but you also think he cheated

[candid grove]

I have a kirbo plusie

[opaque zealot]

Which parts do you think he faked?

[gaunt remnant]

I missed a Kirbo plush? I'll never forgive myself for it

[lapis wind]

Your repetition of the word "fake" is doing a lot of work in that message and gives away your true feeling. I do not believe he faked it, if that's what you're asking. And a lot of us watched it live, not just the cut down on YouTube.

[coarse minnow]

Don't worry, I'll forgive yourself for you

[exotic forge]

I'm willing to say it is possible but I don't think it's appropriate to create discussions around making people gather evidence to debunk said possibility. The default stance should be it is possible but we're not going to assume that.

[distant rapids]

I dont even know what animal well is. Is it a well? Filled with animals? Man thats a little fricked up

[opaque zealot]

They seem happy enough

[gaunt remnant]

It's a "Well" filled with "Animals"

And puzzles

And nightmares

[distant rapids]

Oh good drops a piece of candy down the well

[opaque zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/rata-rat-candy-dulce-gif-4036470166368695474

[lapis wind]

Oh, no-one here said he's perfect. He has flaws, like anyone else. But this is a question of integrity, and he's only shown himself to be a man of integrity

[exotic forge]

I understand the echochamber dangers. This is insinuating/accusing/discussions of cheating which is a very big deal and so more burden of proof is needed before approaching this specific topic

[terse pelican]

As we've said. You've got an assumption that he did cheat/fake him solving it, We've asked you to provide concrete evidence for this, You deflect that. As such I work under the assumption that you're just trying to act in bad faith

[dry osprey]

There is no perfect Human being

[somber bramble]

Superhuman Feet

[terse pelican]

Hulk Feet?

[gaunt remnant]

Challenging an idea isn't obviously "healthy" if it's done wrong. I will say I believe personally that you have done it wrong. This is not the way to do that

[somber bramble]

Maybe he's hiding his superhuman feet in his onlyfans

[lucid aspen]

and I repost again

[exotic forge]

Also mind you, you didn't ask a single question and let it go when someone answered. You went through a whole rabbit hole of questioning and asking for proof on a multitude of events and instances throughout the past hour. This is all based on no proof of Thor cheating mind you. I hope you understand why people in here feel the way they feel.

[terse pelican]

Which is the problem, You pick the option that fits a certain narrative that he faked it, Without concrete proof, cause it's the ''More likely one'' But what if, Thor is just THAT good at puzzles? It's not impossible. So having an opinion and trying to simply 'claim' that he did fake it, Is just counter-productive and is acting in bad faith.

[gaunt remnant]

I want to compare the way you've approached it to kicking a hornet's nest because you believe it'll advance research on hornets. No, you're just going to make the hornets angry, and you're not going to get any valuable information other than "Hornets stings are painful" and "I need an ambulance"

[somber bramble]

I wonder what Occam's hairbrush is?

[terse pelican]

Let's simplify it. Jason thinks Thor faked it, Makes claim. We disagree with the claim and provide points & counter-claims, Jason doubles down cause ''He Thinks'' Based on his own claims. But doesn't provide with any concrete evidence other than ''I think'' or ''I believe''

[coarse minnow]

Well considering the man is bald, I don't think he has one

[somber bramble]

Do you have proof that he was bald? That looks fake,

[dry osprey]

More hair in the face than on head. I feel that

[candid grove]

Of course he is bald, he used his razor

[terse pelican]

You disagree, And don't provide any other points, You repeat the same ones that we've provided counter-points to.

[coarse minnow]

You're right, the Arcanum Luau picture from 1984 shows him with hair

[exotic forge]

The burden of proof of accusing someone of cheating is higher and these 'facts' are just the puzzles being hard to solve

[somber bramble]

So where do we sit on Occam's hairbrush?

[candid grove]

You don’t sit in a hairbrush, it will prick your butt

[serene valley]

what about the other end

[coarse minnow]

either on the handle or the brush, I suppose

[terse pelican]

If you ask an EMT, You don't unless it's got a flaired base.

[dry osprey]

I say its a hairbrush. I say its a brush for his beard

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/badge502-no-emtguy-emtguyno-gif-8746006621383051213

[candid grove]

You can break it

[nova bough]

https://tenor.com/view/badge502-no-emtguy-emtguyno-gif-8746006621383051213

[somber bramble]

Zing. That was a poor phrasing.

[coarse minnow]

I'll have you know I almost choked

[terse pelican]

You're welcome, Also. Hope you're okay

[serene valley]

that's why the EMT is here

[exotic forge]

You have a point there but I hope you also realize that you came in bringing up LSF talking points

[coarse minnow]

Oh I'm fine, just the wrong time to be eating some chocolate lol

[terse pelican]

Which kind, White, Dark, Orange Flavoured?

[coarse minnow]

dark w/ orange creme

[terse pelican]

ooo, Fancy

[coarse minnow]

Russell Stover tryna put me in the hospital right after I get insurance, damn

[terse pelican]

You're talking to a brick wall at this point.

[untold aurora]

And conceding points to it. Which seems like a bad idea.

[coarse minnow]

I really don't remember this part of Pink Floyd's The Wall. I guess I have to listen to it again

[gaunt remnant]

We tried when we probably shouldn't have

[dry osprey]

In the end that video with animal was only created (from what i know) because of the wow thing. Move on. Bet there is a ton of streamers/youtube who cheat/look up stuff while you believe they do it on their on. 🤷‍♂️ Its a circle you need to step out

[spare topaz]

No. I have been watching this silently and your bar of evidence has been moving, bud. You're not seeking a conversation, you're seeking either converts or confirmation bias

[exotic forge]

Fair enough

[gaunt remnant]

No point in continuing, nobody is going anywhere this way. Better to move on from now on

[nova bough]

Im hoping lsf moves on, they're getting close i think

[terse pelican]

Hopefully, but doubt it for at least another week or two

[gaunt remnant]

I'm pretty sure I said it's better to move on and not talk about it again

Quick, best way to change the subject

[dry osprey]

These kind of people build their viewers on those kind of videos. The moment they have nothing else they loosing viewers fast and vanish into the blank

[gaunt remnant]

Confusion

[somber bramble]

In the interest of moving on, what is your opinion of Thor's superhuman feet?

[nova bough]

They have an unhealthy view of streamers

[dry osprey]

I say his legs are just ferrets stacked up

[lapis wind]

The problem is, if we change the subject, then we get accused of avoiding answering or being an "echo chamber". Cannot win with these folks.

[dry osprey]

Sadly. Because i feel streamers feel more "real" than youtubers in my eyes. They cannot retake a certain sentence or so

[untold aurora]

Yes you can. By not playing.

[terse pelican]

Except, There are long-term haters that will dig indefinitely.

[somber bramble]

Smelly sounds like normal feet problems. I feel like superhuman feet would not smell.

[untold aurora]

I say that while being guilty of playing myself, but...

[gaunt remnant]

And engaging is also not a win either. It's better to move on and just think of your own sanity rather than trying to explain or prove something to someone that will never give you a straight answer

[spare topaz]

it cant come soon enough. its been wild to see what claims are being made all over the place. youd think thor was a serial killer given the scale of hatred

[nova bough]

Theres real time interaction, thats the main diff

[dry osprey]

As much interesting as someone farts in another house or so

[untold aurora]

Nah, it's actually a far more monstrous crime: the crime of being good at something.

[lapis wind]

and not proving them wrong, only leaves space for this nonsense to grow or more daft conspiracies to grow. Again, can't win

[gaunt remnant]

Yes, so not playing is the best move since playing will not get you anywhere either

[dry osprey]

Yes. Except.... Vtuber/streamer. They can only be hold back by grass

[thick ledge]

post cat

[untold aurora]

You can never prove them wrong. Not to themselves. They're not arguing in good faith, they want the argument to go on, and on, and on, because that's their fix.

[vast pilot]

Catte...

[gaunt remnant]

In french, Cat is Chat. So this means this whole Chat needs more Chats

[lapis wind]

I mean, you're not wrong there. It's just sad that this is society these days. Far too many addicted to drama and tearing people down, not enough lifting up and inspiring

[spare topaz]

ELECT THIS ONE IMMEDIATELY SO THEY CAN IMPLEMENT THEIR POLICIES

[dry osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-emblem-gamer-gummy-edelgard-fire-emblem-genealogy-genealogy-of-the-holy-war-gif-26039842

Dafuq is this gif

[spare topaz]

#maros2025 - chats for all

[terse pelican]

I have no idea but I do want to know now

[untold aurora]

It's not society. It's a portion of it. On the internet.
Personally, I only argue with someone up until I'm convinced they're trolling, at which point I block them.
Does wonders for my mental health.

[gaunt remnant]

Here's a weird Chat

[untold aurora]

That's a red panda

[somber bramble]

I wonder if Khronos can confirm or deny the superhuman feet.

[candid grove]

I have a random cat saved on my phone

[arctic hearth]

yeah they come from LSF and there is a certain community that thor pissed of, by refuting the adpocalypse bs .. and they are not good faith actors, they will make shit up and they will hold their idiot grudges for years .. if you think im exagerating, ask hasan who gets this type of dumb hate for years from that same community

[gaunt remnant]

I know, this cat is so weird it looks like one

[frozen sonnet]

Car

[untold aurora]

C'est so confusant

[dry osprey]

And now i wish this youtuber can shut his mouth for eternity D: Just so the hate finally stopts

[spare topaz]

between the adpocalypse people and stop killing games, theres plenty of people with an axe to grind pushing this

[gaunt remnant]

Everyone has cute pics of their cats while mine looks at me like this

[arctic hearth]

yea stop killing games too, but i think the adpocalypse guys are more vindictive

[spare topaz]

i feel this cat in my soul

[untold aurora]

Grumpy Cute

[dry osprey]

People being missinformed and hating on others (deaththreats and so on) should be a felony ngl

[nova bough]

Yeaaahhh stop killing games, people did not like. At least that one i understand, you have to dig down and understand how the business works to see that its not going to really work.

[spare topaz]

i dunno - i think both communities have shown theyre plenty vindictive

[untold aurora]

Death threats are a felony

[candid grove]

I need to look back on what StopKillingGames is but Adpocalypse was something a lot of people cried, and Thor basically disproved with stats and statistics right?

[dry osprey]

I diddnt even payed much attention to the adpocalypse. Do i need to dive into that? D:

[nova bough]

In theory, stop killing games is a great idea... in theory.

[dry osprey]

Yes i know but some dont get punished for these sadly

[spare topaz]

he did, but the problem was that the misinfo machine was already in full swing, and it rapidly turned into a rage machine when he decided to disagree with them

[arctic hearth]

jup, stop killing games was that attempt to gather signatures to basically force companys to keep life service games alive, no matter what

[terse pelican]

Yes and No. It wassn't exactly that, but it was one of the ideas

[nova bough]

People also did not like that Thor talked authoritativey about it

[arctic hearth]

not rly, it was fake nonsense that fell apart quickly

[dry osprey]

Ok good

[gaunt remnant]

I remember Thor's issue with the SKG movement was that the text was too vague and things like this need to be very precise and thoughtful of how it's written down

But people saw "He's against the movement because he's a dev and all devs are evil!" type stuff

[candid grove]

Yeah Thor seemingly has this “”bad”” habit of standing against bandwagons with facts and people hate him for not standing in line with what’s trending, but using critical thinking to form an own opinion

[dry osprey]

If all devs are evil... Why are you using any kind of phone and so on? ANYTHING was programmed smh people have no clue wtf they talking about

[untold aurora]

OK, now I'm intrigued by SKG. I just looked up what it is, so it's an attempt to force companies to stop publishing games designed to become unplayable over time, but how do they do that exactly?

How do companies make their games unplayable I mean

[candid grove]

Because if they stopped, they couldn’t play victims and complain you see

[upper zephyr]

Did Thor talk today about threatlocker much? I only saw that it was sponsored by them near the end of his stream. Concerned cause it’s a kernel level module and he’s obviously been against those in the past and it’s probably implemented similar to how cloudstrike was too. Would like some clarification.

[gaunt remnant]

Live service games that can only be played through a server held by the game's creators

Without said server, you can't play the game because that's how they're designed

[untold aurora]

Oh, I see. Games as a service, right?

[dry osprey]

I know. But then everything would go down if noone is programming anything. There is so many "interesting" people out there

[terse pelican]

''Always Online'' Or Games like The Crew 2, Where you HAVE To connect to a server to play. When server is shut down, No more game.

[arctic hearth]

im not disagreing necessarily, but you have to remember the adpocalypse stuff was done specifically by kick streamers to damage twitches reputation and paint the whole platform as antisematic, its much more deranged than the SKG stuff i think

[candid grove]

Like run on servers, and when the game gets unpopular and would stop the servers, I guess they ahould release the possibility for people to host their own servers?

[gaunt remnant]

Exactly. Like The Crew, you can't play it anymore

[nova bough]

Their target is companies, not a normal user

[untold aurora]

OK, makes sense. I've always hated the very concept of "games as a service", it always sounded fishy to me, but I couldn't put my finger on why. Now I know.

[gaunt remnant]

But asking companies to keep games alive forever is too vague, you need to make a whole complex document that explains every single possible situation in explicit detail to make sure nobody is caught in the crossfire

[urban apex]

Tbh issue is even esports commentators and people not even related to WoW (ex: Cohh) are making jokes. So the reach has just spiraled into a much larger group, which means it will always be a big group of peoples "day 0/1" of finding out and wanting to create drama

[nova bough]

Hes talked about it a few times

[dry osprey]

People find always things to whine about. Either in the gaming industry or everywhere

[gaunt remnant]

Otherwise, what about MMOs? MMOs are live service games, what happens if the company shuts down or decides they can't pay to run the game anymore?

[arctic hearth]

was kinda disapointed cohh jumped in on that, ngl

[terse pelican]

It was more aimed on games that ''could be played single player'' and not MMOs

[gentle mortar]

Also, it is possible to make it singleplayer, but who's gonna allocate a huge budget for old title to remove it from server and make it "client-side". Lot of people say Thor is bulding a strawman, but they are the ones actually doing it. "Just give the files and that's it, man."

[gaunt remnant]

What if developping tools to allow players to create servers for themselves after the game is shut down is too expensive, so much that the failing company can't afford doing it?

[upper zephyr]

I’ll see if I can find a pants about it or something. Security products are hard to judge from their webpages.

[spare topaz]

wait, cohhcarnage has piled in too? thats...disappointing 😦

[lapis wind]

Also, if they use third partie add-ons/dependencies, they do not have the right to transfer those licences on

[cinder creek]

It's pretty telling when even cohh is clowning o nu

[urban apex]

Especially since it just fuels the fire of people being like "even Cohh is making fun of him? He obviously must be evil and pissed off Cohh when on his show!"

[dry osprey]

I know a couple of games that offer to host their games than rather punish people for hosting

[cinder creek]

he's like the nicest guy ever

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[untold aurora]

Yeah but with an MMO, you pay a subscription fee, so when the servers are shut down, you stop losing money. Whereas if you buy a game full price but can't use it once the servers are turned off, you've basically been robbed.

[gaunt remnant]

Guild Wars 2 isn't a subscription

What happens then?

[dry osprey]

Shoo nobody cares about your sarcasm

[arctic hearth]

there is a clip where he said something along the lines of "you reap what you sow" .. i dont know if there is more context to it, but the clip was rly bad

[jolly sky]

Can you like, not. That joke wasn't even related to the WoW drama, just poor timing, just stop

[dry osprey]

Guys we gonna ignore that troll 😄

[untold aurora]

Good point. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. I also don't like online games, so I'm not exactly unbiased.

[lapis wind]

ohh, another out of context clip being used to push an agenda by LSF? Why am I not surprised

[gaunt remnant]

That's the main issue. It's not that the SKG movement was impossible or wrong, it's that you can't have those kinds of doubts happen. It needs to be really really precise

[jolly sky]

It's exactly that yes

[gaunt remnant]

And that's what the main complaint from Thor was, it was too vague

[spare topaz]

thats good to hear!

[gentle mortar]

If you can read sarcasm and a "listen" between the lines, you can just tell, even the I would say it's extremelly obvious when he's clowning on you, but some people still don't get it

[candid grove]

Can you prove that was his point without making me check facts, so I can keep arguing that he was wrong though?! /s

[untold aurora]

Nah, we should get back on the much more important topic of his superhuman feet

[urban apex]

While I do agree, I find it a bit hard to find the jokes to be "poor timing". Just seems like a childish kick someone when they are down. Which I expected a bit better of Cohh to do

[gaunt remnant]

If I was asked to, I would absolutely provide a stream with a timestamp for it. It's not even that hard to do

[candid grove]

I know, I just had to meme on the previous convon:D

[gentle mortar]

are the streams even available?

[jolly sky]

Once Cohh was filled in on the context behind it, he felt bad that LSF were using that clip as an agenda pusher when it wasn't his intention, as it was completely unrelated to the WoW drama.

[gentle mortar]

probably some reupload but y'know

[gaunt remnant]

Aren't all his stream VODs on his Youtube Channel?

[terse pelican]

Thor did two videos on the SKG

[spare topaz]

jokes aside, theres actually two videos on his youtube channel where he lays his stance out

[gentle mortar]

stream were deleted because there was pile of people going there and brewing awful shit

[gaunt remnant]

What the hell. I guess only the videos are available still

[urban apex]

Ah ok, that is good to know. I tuned out of his stuff for a bit due to it so I didn't see that 2nd part. Though he had to have known it would get clipped / used by LSF

[arctic hearth]

ok so there were too clips from cohh, in one some dude showed up saying he will defeat him with his intelligence and cooh said, i didnt know pirate was in the game, which was funny and seemed just like funny banter to me, just like when thor said the voice in rogue trader was punchable .. but the other one was "you reap what you sow" has someone seen that in context that makes it less shitty somehow?

[hasty grail]

stupid question because im dealing with someone in another discord, during the animal well longplay, what does thor say in regards to the community puzzle and him solving it?

[arctic hearth]

ah ok, thats good to know, i hoped that was the case

[gentle mortar]

it's the only gripe I have with his streams, I get why he deletes them but man, sometimes there are some donation i want to listen to

[jolly sky]

Funny banter was entirely what it was. People taking it to mean more than it actually was, prime Reddit behaviour.

[brave schooner]

Simple basic take, totally condemning the ridiculous BS people are doing.
I don't mind this dude using the subject to get his own views up. He's fair and calls out people harassing him for being jerks and weirdly obsessed over pixels.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6E3CNenN5v8

[gentle mortar]

yea, they are

[dry osprey]

GUYS GUYS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BVJzaXv3rk NEW episode

[jolly sky]

Dear god sorry bud but we've literally had this conversation already. The Community puzzle was done as a community, at no point did Thor say he solved it singlehandedly

[hasty grail]

i just want to make sure on that, because "he not good at puzzle" argument

[night turret]

https://www.twitch.tv/tooca_/clip/YawningExpensiveHareCopyThis-KvcxLN0jnZQgF5or

[gaunt remnant]

I agree and don't agree with him on the "Multiplayer communities often bring out the absolute worst in people". It's PvP that does that, not multiplayer communities in general

[lapis wind]

Just ask them to show their Defcon badges

[candid grove]

You can ignore/block said person because if someone is bent on hate, no logical argument will help and you are just wasting your time and energy + Thor also asked the community not to argue or fight on his behalf 🙂

[gaunt remnant]

Remove PvP from your game and more often than not people will be more chill

[untold aurora]

Love the takeaway

[hasty grail]

its one of the discord's regulars

slightly harder

[candid grove]

Then just let them vent until theyfind something else to be mad about

[jolly sky]

And this is why Deep Rock Galactic is the most chill Multiplayer game I've played, its incredible

[arctic hearth]

uff, were they afk in the dungeon or something <.< thats messed up

[cedar geyser]

Can anyoen confirm if the ashes of creation clip was incorrect in terms of it was Thor who pulled it? before I confirm it was a different reason it pulled I have to confirm

[untold aurora]

We need more cooperative games. Stuff like Deep Rock Galactic

[gentle mortar]

Also helldivers, to some extend

[gaunt remnant]

Every PvE focused game that have either side PvP or no PvP always have amazing communities

[stark tendon]

Honestly most of Reddit is a trash heap that you have to dig and sift through so deeply to find almost any information of value that it’s nearly worthless.

[jolly sky]

Why do you care. It was entirely seperate to the WoW drama. Stop looking for things to dig up

[gaunt remnant]

As soon as you force PvP in one way or another, your community is going to be toxic

Just look at Dark Souls

[brave schooner]

That name is a CHOICE though.

[cedar geyser]

@jolly sky before i defend him from ppl blaming him i want to make sure

[serene valley]

there was like 3 times there was a weird pull in AoC that I've seen

[arctic hearth]

oh jeez, no it looks like he pulled one by accident and iirc a tank in the back pulled another and that in combination killed them, thats it

[serene valley]

so like ,you're gonna have to be more specific

[hasty grail]

god i hate people some days "he always pretends to solve everything on his own" per another person

[gentle mortar]

if you're not gonna be ridiculous, you're fine

[serene valley]

actually wait no I am thinking of one in wow

[candid grove]

Don’t defend. Ignore haters and move on

[gaunt remnant]

I love co-op games, they're my favourite kind of games. You know what's a good co-op game and good game overall? RoboQuest. Play that shit people

[jolly sky]

Then think whatever you want to think of the clip. Don't outsource your thinking to other people from Discord, Reddit, Youtube, and especially not from specifically cut clips without context or anything afterwards

[serene valley]

cheese is asking what happened then tho

[gentle mortar]

dude, old game, but l4d is just classic

[cedar geyser]

@jolly sky if i never played the game how would i know whats the real cuase which is why i wanted to ask.

[rain hazel]

without having watched the actual stream when all these different clips are coming from you will never get the context for the badly used statement

[candid grove]

Then you can’t attack, nor defend, because you lack knowledge and you would rely on other people’s opinion.

Don’t engage

[arctic hearth]

best thing would be to watch it in the stream, most clips look much worse than the whole thing and you dont have to defend him from random haters, let it go, they will stop eventually even if its annoying @cedar geyser

[gaunt remnant]

Attack and Defend aren't your only 2 choices. Not doing anything is a choice, and it's the right one in this situation

[brave schooner]

There's been so much AoC play that it's hard to tell which particular moment is being asked about.

[rain hazel]

I'm guessing the AoC is over the parral parking ApexOnline incident during the bug reporting that they clipped without everything that happened before the in game "play" which only happened before the server wipe

[cedar geyser]

@candid grove i agree, but i think getting verification from active players in Ashes of Creation would be a valid way to get insight. Last thing I want to do is say something which is incorrect

[serene valley]

well a lot of the people here aren't active players either

[jolly sky]

Then, just don't say anything. Let it go. It's not worth your effort.

[candid grove]

But this can also differ from person to person. No reason to get into it

[gaunt remnant]

You don't have to have a say in every situation

[serene valley]

at some point there was just a weird pull that happened and I do remember thor being a bit pissed about it cause it led to a bunch of material loss

I bet it's that one

[cedar geyser]

yea i am, i just wanted to ask everyone else its compeltly against him so i figured this would the best place to ask for verificaiton

[candid grove]

Here people will defend thor, on LSF people will attack Thor. You are neither here nor there with this

[arctic hearth]

dont take it the wrong way, most people here are just tired of the pointless drama

[serene valley]

I think there was a clip then as well of a crystal from thor hitting an enemy, but they were already pulled at that point so it wasn't thor's crystal iirc

but I am not 100% on that

best would be to find the moment in the VOD but idk whether that VOD is still up

nor do I remember the day

[jolly sky]

And hell I'm not even defending him. I'm simply trying to bring a semblance of logic to these absolutely braindead thoughts that are coming here. If they made any sort of sense at all, I'd could see it their way, but they don't

[arctic hearth]

dont think its worth the time tbh xD

[weary otter]

have some delicious food instead

[gaunt remnant]

And let's keep talking about Co-op games

And just video-games overall

[candid grove]

@cedar geyser let me show you how most of these arguments can look like:

[jolly sky]

Monstie Huntieeeeee

[untold aurora]

Is that potato-based?

[gentle mortar]

You'll get more nuance here than on the internet, but from my lurking here people are just tired. Best of action I would choose to let it go.

[lapis wind]

I like co-op puzzle games most

[gaunt remnant]

Like Killing Floor 3. Where's my KF3 beta, TripWire?

[weary otter]

nicely identified

[jolly sky]

God I hope that they've optimised it

[arctic hearth]

thats rly good, very accurate xD

[serene valley]

nuance is dead on the internet these days

[untold aurora]

The thing everyone forgets about this meme is that someone wrote that number, and they know whether it's a 6 or a 9.

[coarse minnow]

BEHOLD, CHAT

I COME BRINGING PROGRESS ON BREAD

[untold aurora]

Kartoffelpuffer? Haven't had one in ages.

[gaunt remnant]

I hate that fact, why did you make me think about that

[vocal garnet]

I did not know about Thor figuring out that ridiculous puzzle by himself. So if anything the hate against him just made me realize how smart he actually is

[pure kernel]

"Oh no there's drama involving one of my favorite streamers! What'd they do?" sees clips from a game I don't care about where said streamer made one bad call "ah cool so the nothing kind then"

[vocal garnet]

1 Thor = 1 game community in intelligence

[dusk canyon]

there are some good puzzles in heartbound

[sacred estuary]

you mean the animal well one where it took weeks of community effort?

[pure kernel]

Ngl I'm sad heartbound got review bombed, I hope it doesn't get too bad lol

[dusk canyon]

nah, it is like 50 reviews

it is mostly negative because it is a small game

[pure kernel]

True, but still a small game having "mostly negative" on its front page with tons of people screaming that the game is never gonna be finished probably doesn't look good >_>

[pseudo bough]

This was sad to see for me, I loved the animal well longplay

[urban apex]

I mean technically you could argue Yamato violated German cyber bulling law of Insult (Section 185 of the Criminal Code) specifically with the aspect of "intentionally demeaning comments."

[knotty light]

imagine going to prison because of a World of Warcraft beef lmao

[dusk canyon]

He is overdue for an update. I believe when it happens it will bring a lot more people to the game, and a lot more of good reviews

[hasty grail]

thor goes offline for 3hrs and then "solves it on his own"

that type of horseshit

[urban apex]

I mean, depending upon where you go to prison you get to play WoW (if I remember the article right, where prisoners were playing to sell gold for profit of the wardens) lol

[knotty light]

a fate worse than death

legally required to play WoW

[pure kernel]

Even if he should do a proper update, doesn't he regularly program the game on stream? I feel like that should be proof enough he hasn't abandoned it lol

[pseudo bough]

What's the problem with him solving it on his own time ?

[jolly sky]

Good lord why are they making up this nonsense

He never even said he solved it on his own

[urban apex]

I think it would be fitting though, considering the toxicity. Even a fine, granted that would just stir up even more drama lol

[jolly sky]

He fully admitting to having only done it through community effort

[dusk canyon]

I believe it has been a while! According to him, he is working on heartbound on the off stream days to not spoil it.
He also said he has less time to work on it since the channel blew up

[hasty grail]

on the longplay Thor said he is against "looking up a guide"

but that could mean for the smaller puzzles in game

rather than THE COMMUNITY PUZZLE

[ocean agate]

if you are talking about the one that REQUIRED the community to solve, he straight up said he found out it took more people and got the answer

didnt say he did it solo

[pseudo bough]

Where does he say he looked up answers? We should have that clip so we can show the haters

[hasty grail]

the actual vods are lost to time

[jolly sky]

It's literally on the Longplay

He said it in his own words, coming from his own mouth. That he did it through community effort, because that's what it required.

[ocean agate]

he mentions it a lot when he would run past it, since he loved how it took community working together to solve and how NO ONE person could solve it

[green wagon]

Yeah, he mentioned a few streams ago that he hadn’t been able to work on it over the last year because of the channel blowing up and needing to form a corporation etc. Edit: to add he’s stated he’s going to be working on it much more this year.

[pure kernel]

Well in that case I'm sure he'll update when he's ready, I really doubt he'd abandon something that big. He cares too much I think lol

[gaunt remnant]

Oh so it's been a total non-issue since the very beginning? Again

It's becoming a trend

[hasty grail]

any crack in the armor is valid to try and hit

-me

[thick ledge]

i was there for the ashes clip, the enemy an question has a directional insta kill, if a tank had been present to get its attention, it would have not looked at the party and blasted them all

[vocal garnet]

A game community of Primarily Dunkey fanboys 🤣 (haha fart jokes so funny) don't make me laugh. It genuinely would t surprise me if the Thors community has an average of 20 IQ higher than any other streamer. We watch him code in real time and that mitosis counts for something

[pseudo bough]

I think the thing people are taking issue with are the parts where he makes mental leaps that should have required community effort but are presented as his own

[gaunt remnant]

Which ones?

[jolly sky]

Imagine how bored someone must be to look for things to hate all the time. Oh well

[oblique siren]

he did also sstate that he is putting together a video to put out regarding the heartbound situation. i am unsure when or where this will happen

[dusk canyon]

We are not better, but we are very patient

[pseudo bough]

someone linked this one https://youtu.be/zF4ijyCBARU?si=w7Uo-1-hxxSLRXBn&t=25120

[ocean agate]

he doesnt tell us we cant try to help, so a lot of people start saying things in chat, he reads chat and gets ideas.....its the whole monkeys type shakspear thing

[sacred estuary]

wasn't dunkey only involved in the publishing? don't think the dev's intention had anything to do with the audience that primarily received it

[terse hedge]

Thor needed the year to figure how many more jam jokes and puns he could cram into the game so he could harvest the CO2 from our sighs

[small musk]

literally this.

[terse hedge]

He’s farming and we’re the crops

[small musk]

weird dunkey jab there earlier

[thick ledge]

this is edited, like a substantial amount is cut out here for the viewer

[jolly sky]

Who is anyone to judge how much effort it "should" take? Prime example, one person figuring out a speedrun skip by accident when the communities for those games have been looking for skips for years

[lapis wind]

I quite like Dunkey vids

[thick ledge]

we cut 80 hours down to 8

lmao

[hasty grail]

and thats what ive been telling people

[pseudo bough]

Ah, thanks. Didn't realize.

[thick ledge]

i think he spent 74 hours in the game

[gaunt remnant]

Even with the cuts, this doesn't look as suspicious as some people seem to make it out to be

[hasty grail]

70hrs to 7 is what i remember this by

[gaunt remnant]

I've done some unhinged shit on puzzle games like this with my friends

[brave schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/oat-bread-bread-cutting-bread-bread-slice-food-gif-27070327

[terse hedge]

My favorite part of the video is watching Thor’s mind slowly unravel

[thick ledge]

so its just cut down to problems and solutions with the sitting around thinking cut out

[hasty grail]

someone send the mods homemade bread

[arctic hearth]

obiously an evil plot to make him look like a genius xD

[coarse minnow]

I'm on it

[lapis wind]

Everyone agrees that the printer part was the best thing about Thor's Animal Well playthrough

[jolly sky]

I don't understand how unless you actually didn't watch it

[gaunt remnant]

We played with friends on stream recently throughout all of the Zero Escape games and we were theorizing and puzzling some very unhinged shit in this manner, even if it took us a while to do it

I really don't see the issue with this clip

[brave schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-bread-bread-gif-13245191

[thick ledge]

we love thor thinking someone broke into his house

and its just 500 copies of an animal well puzzle printed out

[hasty grail]

dont forget the social fkry i mean social engineering story that Thor told on the Dropped Frames podcast

[jolly sky]

That was such a funny moment

[terse hedge]

When do the outrage tourists target his Omori playthrough because he isn’t depressed so he must have cheated

[pseudo bough]

I saw cuts, didn't realize they were that significant. Can we please be civil

[coarse minnow]

@the mods I have some warm, freshly made English muffins for you

[thick ledge]

yeah, its cut down from 74 hours to 8

having watched every hour of it live on duty

[coarse minnow]

Before anyone asks why they look so dark, I had to step away for a moment

[thick ledge]

it was quite the process to figure these things out

[coarse minnow]

Came back to this nonsense

[vagrant silo]

I member when people had unsecured wifi networks from their printers. Glorious times.

[thick ledge]

we sat in the groundhog room for like, an eternity

[serene valley]

wait is the reason they think he's just looking up solutions because they are watching an EDITED longplay of the ~70-80 hours it took thor to beat the entire thing

[lapis wind]

Yep

[serene valley]

💀

[thick ledge]

[ocean agate]

omg

[serene valley]

outsourced the critical thinking to the vacuum cleaner

[ocean agate]

lul

[arctic hearth]

i mean it was already rly dumb, but this is just ridiculous

[terse hedge]

Nonsense. Vacuum cleaners are useful

[ocean agate]

oh no, i might die from laughing....please, send ferrets, need help

[thick ledge]

i did not realize people didnt know that

[terse hedge]

[thick ledge]

how silly

[terse hedge]

no elp

[jolly sky]

Wisdom has been trying to catch upto them their whole lives, but they've always been faster

[gaunt remnant]

The comments on that video, jfc. First person putting time stamps to "gotcha" Thor on cheating is like so obviously nothing at all that it blows my mind someone actually believes he cheated

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-software-ferret-gif-3470674042874450968

[serene valley]

I didn't quite realize it was this bad

[terse hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-running-away-running-escape-animal-gif-14844387

[arctic hearth]

nah man, even it were in the title, the top comment, and pinned xD doesnt matter, people cant read xD

[serene valley]

to be fair I was already not expecting most of the complainers to have even watched the longplay

[gaunt remnant]

You could put it in bold, blinking letters in the title, nobody would care. They're not mislead, they're hateful and choose to turn a blind eye on whatever goes against their beliefs

[serene valley]

(neither did I but I watched like 2 or 3 of the streams)

I was there for the printer moment

[gaunt remnant]

It's like if they asked you how you managed to cut your bread, you tell them a knife, they ask for proof, you show the knife and they go:
"But no, from where I'm seeing this knife is dull, there's no way you could've cut bread with it"

You cannot win

[vocal garnet]

They are 100% just jealous

[gaunt remnant]

There is no point in arguing with people like this, we can just contemplate the idiocy from as far as possible

[vocal garnet]

All the "fake voice" bs is proof

[terse hedge]

Frankly with dedicated outrage tourists like that, they could tell me the ocean has water and I’d be inclined drive to the coast to verify

[candid grove]

I actually thought that was a meme and had to learn no, people actually believe he fakes his voice, lol, like wtf

[terse hedge]

Because that’s what this is: outrage tourism. Sightseeing different things to scream and violently unload the mud trumpet in their pants before moving on

[lapis wind]

And so incredibly easy to debunk

[serene valley]

I only say it for the memes but rn is not a great time cuz the stream autobans for it atm

which fair enough

[gaunt remnant]

I remember seeing someone who posted a video he claimed to be in "good faith" and accused Thor of changing his voice on stream, showing a "proof" clip from like almost 10 years ago. You know, when Thor's voice didn't lower yet? Like he showed many times by showing clips of his very old streams?

[terse hedge]

But Thor DOES use a voice changer, he has to tone it up or Jesse Ventura will sue him for identity theft

[gaunt remnant]

Btw that person was in the opposing guild in his AoC server

[arctic hearth]

yea its funny, i made the mistake to watch one of the analysis vids AND read the comments .. i know, i know .. i replied to one that he had swatting attempts and one asked me for proof .. yea dude, i hacked in thors phone and listened to the police call .. ultimate weirdos xD

[gentle mortar]

An then when you give them an example, they will say "you sharpened the knife when i wan't looking!"
You cannot win.

[ocean agate]

some people realize how insane some of the stuff is and think NO ONE would do that, and dont look at it objectively and realize that just because you wouldnt go that far doesnt mean someone else wont

[pseudo bough]

I feel most bad for the mods, this can affect their livelihood

[terse hedge]

I need to get that old “Good luck! I’m behind seven proxies!” meme and change to Thor being behind 7 voice changers

[serene valley]

considering stream viewership isn't exactly down or anything I don't think it affects it much

[gentle mortar]

oh god dont remind me

[serene valley]

I mostly feel bad for their mental state, having to defend against a hateraid for like over a week is not good for you

[gaunt remnant]

You know the quote that goes "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." that is often credited to Mark Twain even if it probably isn't from him?
Everytime something like this happens, it proves to be more and more true.

[lapis wind]

Yeah, I don't think it will affect much. Most of the people that were already watching him see this for what it is... nonsense.

[hasty grail]

thats when i drag them to the mudpit until they cry for mercy

[gentle mortar]

I just lost the game

[terse hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/like-a-dragon-gaiden-joryu-damn-kiryu-damn-gaiden-joryu-gaiden-kiryu-gif-15664409657407658415

[gentle mortar]

and then you did, how could you

[terse hedge]

Embrace the loss of the game, be moulded by it, become a cursed creature

[lapis wind]

I lost the game many years ago and uninstalled it

Freed up a lot of memory

[terse hedge]

Nah I just mock them and laugh

[gentle mortar]

Nooooo...

[arctic hearth]

where does the lost the game meme come from exactly?

[gaunt remnant]

How to uninstall The Game:
Step 1: Buy a drill

[gentle mortar]

yakuza

how could you not know

cant believe it

[lapis wind]

Knowyourmeme says the 1990s

[arctic hearth]

i have actually never played yakuza ^^

[gentle mortar]

I want to, but they are long games

[worldly mantle]

People have been losing the game since ancient times. It was roughly 30 years ago that it was first codified.

[arctic hearth]

xD

[gentle mortar]

same, not even defending anyone, just kinda pointing out their behaviour

[lapis wind]

From Knowyourmeme, regarding the Game:

In an article on The Daily Globe,[5] writer Justine Wettschreck stated that The Game originated in "the early 1990s" somewhere in Australia or England. An article by The Canadian Press[6] reported that The Game may have been created by London resident Jamie Miller, who claims to have started The Game in 1996. On August 10th, 2002, the earliest known reference to The Game online was featured in a post[4] published by blogger Paul Taylor titled "The Game (I lost!)", who claimed to have discovered it only six months prior.

[jolly sky]

I gotta say I love that term, "Outrage tourist"

It's perfect

[lapis wind]

When does the Game 2 come out?

[terse hedge]

You should, good and cheap, it’s like watching a serious crime drama that pauses every now and then and you watch an episode of The Simpsons

[gentle mortar]

they are kinda awesome, you can tell from who the got the outrage

[terse hedge]

I have… SERIOUS Yakuza brainrot

[gaunt remnant]

Pretty soon. It's said it will come out before Silksong

[arctic hearth]

i know its on my wshlist, just havent come around to it ^^

[vocal garnet]

I would love Thor to play to through the Yakuza series starting with Yakuza 0. Not sure they are his type of game though.

[ocean agate]

IRL needs to streamline its graphics i hear it only runs at like 30fps

[mint sorrel]

I might be late to the party here, but TheScore put out a video on the whole drama that's going on.

It's actually quite good, and objectively describes the situation as it happened, as well as the fallout.

As you could imagine, the comment section is FREAKING OUT because the video didn't condemn Thor and his actions.

Good video, worth a look!

[lapis wind]

Oh, that's a long wait

[vocal garnet]

@mint sorrel Good more reasonable people

[jolly sky]

I'm looking forward to him getting into Monster Hunter. I hope he plays some World before hopping into Wilds, but thats his choice of course

[coarse minnow]

What, you don't think Thor would love the karaoke minigame?

[gentle mortar]

someone who is not jumping to conclusions? thanks for info, man!

[vocal garnet]

He'd love the meme moments, but people forget that Yakuza is VERY story heavy

[gentle mortar]

not only that, it's not the story that ends in like 7 hours

[arctic hearth]

im not even sure if i would chime in on this drama, even if i had that type of content brain .. you just put a mark on your back

[terse hedge]

I’m sure he knows a lot about the Yakuza games because of Onsta

[distant lagoon]

what's their youtube channel called? i searched TheScore but it's a sport page talking about Hockey and basketball and all that

[lapis wind]

theScore esports, I think

[vocal garnet]

Its so stupid and so hypocritical, they accusing him of looking stuff on his phone now from months ago, but here is literally one of the biggest Thor haters doing the SAME exact thing in Project zomboid https://www.twitch.tv/moonmoon/clip/TubularBlazingRamenRaccAttack-lZi15-11UPGMhm50 Like why the hate? Thor has never attacked him

[gaunt remnant]

To quote an original song from an amazing metal cover artist

"You're either with us, or you're against"

[gentle mortar]

summary for every drama topic over the last 5 years to be fair

[gaunt remnant]

You mean over the last 5000 years?

[arctic hearth]

the comments on that are wild .. what a wholesome community

[mint sorrel]

TheScore eSports

[distant lagoon]

well...just for contexts sake that clip from Pre Dire Maul drama of Thor talking about a bad mage who's gameplay made him 'physically ill' that went around, the mage he was talking about was MoonMoon.

[mint sorrel]

https://youtu.be/uLg419ASx6c?si=x3k4ea9_20PTJbUp

Dropping the video for y'all who are interested

[vague palm]

...what's with the bacon strip lmao

[terse hedge]

Breakfast

[gaunt remnant]

It's what you could call

Red tape

[mint sorrel]

The thumbnail is sketch AF, not gonmna lie! xD

[gentle mortar]

kinda meant the internet, when the trend of excessive cancel culture started to take bigger form, but you are absolutely right

[terse hedge]

Online drama crap got so much worse when shortform content finally caught on. No context, all bandwagon, instant gratification.

[vague palm]

I blame twatter
140 characters, enough to say X sucks, not enough to provide any context.

[terse hedge]

Twitter was the start for sure but it got so much worse once it hit videos

At least Vine never became that before it shut down

[jolly sky]

I think one thing people don't realise is that evolutionarily, we're still in tribe mode. Our brains are still wired for small social groups, "The Village", and have been in that mode for 10's of thousands of years.

We haven't evolved far enough as a species to properly communicate and understand the other "Tribes" of the world, yet we have full access to almost all of them if we so choose. But technology has "brute forced" us into this way

[vague palm]

I kinda don't bother with "tribes" lol. Discord, forums and small blogs all the way.

It really does mess you up when you have to deal with thousands of people throwing raw emotion at you.

[lapis wind]

Pretty balanced take... but I would refute that Thor didn't show any remorse or say he could have played better. He's said on stream (and in Tweets) that he played badly and the only one that didn't was the healer - this is something a lot of haters have overlooked in their search for an "apology". So there are some important details missing.

[jolly sky]

Yea, thats something that people either still don't want to accept for some reason, or leave it out of clips, either intentionally or unintentionally.

[dry osprey]

Views wise i assume its intentionally

[timid hollow]

I miss twitch chat being good faith viewers

[lapis wind]

I think a lot of it is just a lack of media literacy, tbh

[gaunt remnant]

Many people were telling him "Dude you could've just admitted you didn't wanna die" when he literally did less than 10 minutes after it happened. It's just people jumping on a bandwagon not even knowing where or why they're on it

[untold aurora]

"The absolute first thing to do is to very quickly explain why any of this matters." But it doesn't matter.

[candid grove]

I checked both videos about SKG and they are really clear and I agree with them, again, weird how people take it out of meaning,

Also I really like Ross (from the Freeman's mind series) and sad to see him doing this like this, especially the part of "hey this is good for politicians to have an easy win and distract people from other issues" like... dude.
But that won't make me hate Ross either, just stick with his funny stuff, lol.

[mint sorrel]

Indeed, I agree that there are pieces missing. Although due to the format you can't really add every single piece of context neither. Comments are fuming over the fact that every single out of context LSF clip hasn't been added to build up their case, so it cuts both ways.

[lapis wind]

Probably because they are "out of context". If they had any validity, then they should be included. But they don't.

[jolly sky]

And also lets not forget he was being shouted and blamed for following the instructions of the Shot Callers initial call.

Like imagine you had a job stacking shelves, and you were asked to do that. You complete that job, and then you come back to the manager and they shout at you for doing that job. Would you feel in an apologetic mood? I sure wouldn't.

[gaunt remnant]

I don't play WoW, even less hardcore WoW, but I can understand the stakes of losing a lvl60 char pretty easily.

Those shot calls when that happen were worthy of a Platinum Overwatch lobby

[jolly sky]

(Oh and by the person who was pretty much just a cameraman during the retreat)

[mint sorrel]

Plat seems a bit generous

[gaunt remnant]

I don't know how anyone who made shot calls could ever take any stance of superiority for what happened

Do you know what I think triggered the internet the most from this situation? The very moment Thor became Heisenberg?

It's when he left the convo with Yamato because he was screaming. In the Internet's logic, you have to argue to your death and walking away from someone who obviously cannot argue or doesn't want to argue is cowardly.

What they don't realize is that's the mature thing to do.

[arctic hearth]

yea i can see that, the debate mentality

[timid hollow]

I'm not absolutly sure but I'd believe it.

[ocean agate]

does anyone know if the beta progress from MH Wilds will carry over to main game?

[gaunt remnant]

I can't be sure either, it's just my personal theory after all

[stoic zealot]

watching pyros video on the wow drama and GOD DAMN IT GOES DEEP

[obsidian tree]

So to provide more context we must reduce the time of the clips to 5 seconds

[untold aurora]

That's not what a debate should be. It shouldn't be two people with opposing viewpoints arguing until one of them concedes defeat. A debate is supposed to be two people discussing something and trying to come to an agreement.

[stoic zealot]

. . .oh my god . . .

. . .I just got spooked

[timid hollow]

thinking about it in a guild solely fueled by "content" you are probably right.

[gentle mortar]

I'm lookin at it, it seems only char apperance

[gaunt remnant]

If even politicians can't do it, I don't expect people on the internet to do it either

[arctic hearth]

i know ^^ dont tell me that ^^

[sleek cedar]

Or how dare someone decide they are too worked up, will not tolerate being screamed at and aggressively accused of things they dont believe they are responsible for, and leave the conversation.

But cmon since when are WoW sweats mature adults? Ever?

[ocean agate]

ok, thanks

[stoic zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=709Zz8m2Olg

[untold aurora]

Too late, and I couldn't possibly have known 🙂

[stoic zealot]

watch the video to understand how NUTS people were . . .I . . .I got scared

[brave schooner]

how'd you get spooked?

[arctic hearth]

all good ^^

[brave schooner]

Thor mentioned swatting and people telling him they'd stab him at blizzcon and stuff

[stoic zealot]

Someone threated to S/A Thor

[jolly sky]

Is this an actual nuanced sensible video on it, or more sensationalised nonsense?

[brave schooner]

Yeah it's that bad.

[gaunt remnant]

Is it really worse than people sending death threats? It's sad to say but welcome to the internet

[stoic zealot]

its a good video THAT THOR gave permission to make

[stoic zealot]

. . .trust me . . .

[sleek cedar]

Just because its common doesnt mean its acceptable or should be tolerated.

[gaunt remnant]

I never said it is or that it should

[untold aurora]

Are those macaques getting sued for the threats?

[gaunt remnant]

But the reality is, what are we going to do about it? Report the people who are at fault is the best way to go about it

But no matter how much you do it, people will keep doing it

[brave schooner]

Twitch knows, and they're getting banned, minimum.

[gaunt remnant]

It's the internet, you can't win against the internet no matter if they're in the right or wrong

Receiving death threats is basically part of the job if you're a personality on the internet

Never said it was right, but it's how it is today

[gentle mortar]

that's kinda why Vtubing is a thing

[arctic hearth]

i hope twitch will do something, but im not really confident something meaningful will happen

[untold aurora]

A slap on the wrist. Ban is appropriate for insults, but threats of violence go a couple of steps further and should warrant lawsuits. Emphasis on "should", of course...

[sleek cedar]

The only reason thats how it is, is because people feel safe behind their screens to do and say whatever they want, and are used to doing so without consequence.

[jolly sky]

I also hope that the people who sent him Death Threats via DM's inside WoW get their accounts wiped from the face of the earth

[untold aurora]

And so saying this is just how it is and there's nothing to be done about it perpetuates the problem

[gaunt remnant]

Yep, and as long as it's like this, it's going to keep happening. But if you remove that anonymity, it's a much bigger and complex debate to have that I don't feel qualified to be a part of

[sleek cedar]

I agree

[untold aurora]

sigh It's getting late, stay cool everyone. Good night.

[vocal garnet]

Thor already said he reported them, just wait folks like 4 big time streamers are gonna be banned. My money is on Quin and faker

[stoic zealot]

With thor Still having buds in blizzard . . .yeah all those users are screwed

[brave schooner]

Even if he didn't , they'd still get banned from WoW permanently. They don't take actual threats lightly.

[gaunt remnant]

I never said there's nothing to do about it. We cannot do anything about it. Have you ever tried convincing the entire internet to do something? It's just not realistic, that's not how things work

I don't like that the internet is like this, but the internet is like this

[stoic zealot]

the comments of the video

[gaunt remnant]

You can make sure it doesn't happen in your own sphere as much as possible, that's all you can control

But you can't control everything

[sleek cedar]

I dont understand the audacity of using the internet to harass someone with defcon levels of hacking skills, and even more so doing it in a game that he helped develop....

[stoic zealot]

WHEEZES

why does XQC just spawn in XD

[distant lagoon]

but does anyone know what Ja Rule thinks too?

[arctic hearth]

i think we should use necromany and ask ghandi what he thinks, thats a useful way to spend ressources right? ^^

[arctic hearth]

at least some people get it ^^

[urban apex]

I mean technically depending upon where they are located - it is against the law for cyber bullying. Example - Insult (Section 185 of the Criminal Code) for those in Germany (like some streamers) or if they are in UK, etc

[timid hollow]

I think my main issue with the whole thing is that other creators saw what was going on in thier chats and just let it happen

[urban apex]

It sucks death threats are not taken more seriously though by gaming companies. Ex whispers thor got should be taken seriously and their info given to police by Blizzard

[sleek cedar]

Or encouraged it and riled up their rabid fanbases....

[gaunt remnant]

Of course, and this comes back to what I said, you can control what happens in your own sphere as much as you can. But you cannot do it to the whole internet.

[timid hollow]

that should earn you a good ole visit from the FBI serious or not

[gaunt remnant]

Death threats suck ass, they suck gigantic ass. But they're just sadly going to stay for a while

[stoic zealot]

https://youtu.be/zlmWopdlQr8?si=2ZzTpv9GWO4GJ32S

watch for happy

do it

WATCH TO BE HAPPY

[prisma kraken]

hearing them, it sounds like they are coming from 14-15 year olds who don't understand consequences yet

[arctic hearth]

look at this, thor must have that voice changer installed into his throat or something xD

[gaunt remnant]

I wish, but I've spent enough time on the internet to know that a lot of those come from grown ass adults

[timid hollow]

creators are also responsible for what goes on in their chat so twitch at least need to give out some pretty stiff discipline to some creators

[vast pilot]

naw it's a ferret in his throat giving him such a deep voice

[gaunt remnant]

People can be unhinged

[prisma kraken]

the one recording pyro played on video though is a dead ringer though

[urban apex]

Well time for a welcome to real world situation. If you can get arrested for making a death threat on 4chan, you should get arrested for making death threats in video games to public figures

[jolly sky]

Don't forget the microphones at the streamer awards that were modified behind the scenes by Thor

[gaunt remnant]

I haven't watched that vid, I was giving my overall opinion of how death threats usually go from my experience

[prisma kraken]

people forget that "hyping up your chat to go disrupt someone elses chat" is targeted harassment. I swear none of these streamers actually understand the TOS

[gaunt remnant]

Remember that quote from Men In Black. "A person is smart, people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals"

[urban apex]

Or the one with Estfan in the football stadium lol

[prisma kraken]

I've seen these guys play mental gymnastics trying to decide that this wasnt considered harassment or hate raids, cause nobody used the raid feature on twitch

[arctic hearth]

yea those were the weirdest takes xD just why

[gaunt remnant]

They can't be in the wrong

[urban apex]

I just find it funny since it goes further than TOS in a lot of countries. Like Germany (where Yamato is) has some strict laws around it.

People just think you can say whatever you want on the internet with no consequence or penalty.

[gaunt remnant]

It's a "Are we the baddies?" moment

[jolly sky]

Yea, like he was live for many many hours. Even if it isn't a voice changer, but theoretically if he was "putting on a voice" for that many hours, his vocal cords would have been wrecked not only during the stream, but for days afterwards

[gaunt remnant]

Or more accurately "Am I out of touch? No it's the children who are wrong"

[prisma kraken]

why do you think people were "uncomfortable"

they really know they could actually get in trouble, that's why

[jolly sky]

Which would then effect the $$$$$$$

[stoic zealot]

Do you think Thor would play dragon-age Vailguard?

[urban apex]

They didn't tell their community to directly go and hate / raid Pirate so it totally can't be hate raiding. Let's ignore that they spend all this time bashing him as a person (not just gameplay) and spreading rumors (abuse of ferrets, etc). Totally not anything they can control! /s

[prisma kraken]

i mean, imagine getting bao, the streamer awards, random people who met him on irl channels, to implement this feature 😛

[arctic hearth]

and all those people lying on his behalf for some reason

[prisma kraken]

the same people just accept their 11 cents per dayt ad revenue, because their content is not advertiser friendly

[jolly sky]

It's worrying that some decide to believe some or all of that, and that its not just memeing. Some peoples Mental Gymnastics are worthy of the Olympics

[sleek cedar]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[gaunt remnant]

He's not as smart as he wants people to believe, but he apparently is smart enough to convince everyone around him to lie for him

Sure, great argument Reddit

[urban apex]

I doubt it will happen but I will laugh if Yamato gets in legal trouble over this (Section 185 of the Criminal Code). Would be awesome to see this "accountability" everyone is high roading about happen.

[obsidian tree]

LMAO

[arctic hearth]

i doubt that too, but mh it would be lovely

[jolly sky]

Yes

I very much look forward to Thor getting into Monster Hunter

[timid hollow]

It feels like this whole thing is taking a long time to deal with on twitch's part

[urban apex]

You see Pirate is just that good a hacker. He hacks any person he collabs with first! 🧠

[prisma kraken]

almost every single account i've seen involved in this, is related to the european viewerbase, so that very easily shows you, anbd when you start checking chat logs, you cans see where they come from

[jolly sky]

I hope he plays some of World to like, get himself back into it, and I also hope gets to play with the friendly crew he made through OnlyFangs

[obsidian tree]

Whats Ur choice of substance @prisma kraken ?

[gaunt remnant]

Thor and Hubert slaying monsters. Sounds like a sick series

[sleek cedar]

Well yea. A lot of big revenue streamers are involved. They are hoping it blows over.

[prisma kraken]

also, can we not forget, i have a doppelganger in stream chat?

[urban apex]

Has he ever played Albion? I would be interested to see if he likes it

[vocal garnet]

I wouldnt be suprised if China is doing something, they already try to do Psy ops with Tik tok and Thor is literally a black badge hacker so I wouldnt be surpised

[verbal kayak]

im a bit bitter that other people get players killed in raids, there's an ongoing joke about how tyler gets healers killed and sillyanne died and her and chat are joking that tyler killed her by taking a day off, but pirate gets people killed and thousdands turn against him

[jolly sky]

Hubert (Kristofer incase you didn't know) Annie, Winky, Redzy, that'd be hype

[vocal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-peanut-butter-and-jealous-jelly-the-interview-haters-gonna-hate-gif-11441583

Thats why

[sleek cedar]

While it was a shit show, I wouldnt say it was him that specifically got them killed. Not committing to running got them killed.

[gaunt remnant]

Yes but Tyler has been a meme for a long time and people like to shit on him for jokes, and he plays into it himself, even if he tries to keep actual toxicity away from this community