streamchat

[atomic temple]

he should take a week off tbh

[gray siren]

Ahh I didn't know, tho he looked exhausted last time I saw him with this drama

[terse pelican]

He said he's taking Wednesdays off ages ago, More time for other stuff

[lucid aspen]

well deserved day off and alot of rest

[flat tiger]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

THE DOOKERS

[quasi rose]

no i really can't. they weren't there

[buoyant arrow]

SOUP FERTS

[hexed badge]

i really wish AOC was up today

[lyric shard]

AoC is down?

[terse hedge]

People with weird hateboners. Pretty typical internet weirdos and whatnot

[remote bronze]

i just hope his mental stays strong. it’s been rough as a fan seeing what is being thrown at him so i can only imagine how it feels to be the target

[rapid stirrup]

his takes on wow are pretty trustworthy

[stoic zealot]

wet noodle

[patent bramble]

Time to completely disconnect from Twitter for a few days lol

[rough narwhal]

thor's response to the reaction to the mistake was appropriate

[atomic temple]

guys go watch Ferret Stream next 2 days

[terse hedge]

Do yourself a favor and leave Twitter altogether

[gray siren]

I had twitter for literally 1 hour, worst mistake of my life 😄

[frosty thorn]

My sister is forcing me to go to the gym with her because she don't wanna go alone

[remote bronze]

so you are gonna axe X lol

[fathom laurel]

cause he messed up hard, and didn't do anything the entire fight, panicking, so he made a bunch of noise over Thor, to distract.

[flat tiger]

FEERRRET BOMB DROP

[charred wolf]

I'll wait before I can have a firm stance on whether thor could've done anything. It probably would've been better if thor did try something but the risk of losing both the healer and the mage in the process sounds worse.

[carmine birch]

Several Twitch streamers are farming this, even in their current stream title.

[spring atlas]

moest aren't sad just upset who could have thought streamers are just a bunch of toddlers AND high school mean girls at the same time and then people have the nerve to say that fame doesn't corrupt

[lucid aspen]

do people get second chance or does depends? I believe in forgiveness and moving on.

[charred wolf]

Holy cow that's adorable.

[stoic zealot]

I know . . .

[quasi rose]

i don't see how any of that matters. it waws a bad pull. plain and simple

[kindred sedge]

One last for the mods before bed. Once again you all rock! also bread in the form of 🍩s but shh don't tell Thor

[shrewd quiver]

make that all "social" platforms. on the other hand, more work for psychiatrists (not even kidding). I think it can be addicting

[novel ferry]

Did he react to the kick yet?

[flat tiger]

they really got fat this season

[rapid stirrup]

While the rest of the group at least tried something, pirate (the one who would have the best chance of actually fixing the clownshow of a pull) was out the door and across the street instead

[distant lagoon]

because to be fair with it there are 2 clips of thor from before the DM run that sparked all this where in 1 thor talks bad about another streamer who played mage who made the same misplays thor did and in the other talks himself up to the GM about how good of a mage he is. and people saw those clips and it became a big bunch of fuel for the fire

[gray siren]

On twitter. That's all he needs to do

[flat tiger]

OMG I NEED THAT TREE!

[flat tiger]

where did you get this

[rough narwhal]

I mean his response of shutting down and not responding/engaging in whatever yamato was spewing was appropriate

[fathom laurel]

Rogue didn't do anything at all

[terse hedge]

I’ve had good luck with Bluesky myself, been there over a year now, only see the stuff I want

[azure knoll]

tree is from amazon look up christmas cat tree

[lyric shard]

@distant lagoon I forgot about that

[stoic zealot]

Shaye's twitter

[jovial mesa]

Noooodle

[flat tiger]

STEAL!

[fathom laurel]

standing next to group with all your cd's, hovering vanish, isn't doing something.

[flat tiger]

NAKED DOOKER

[flat moat]

Other Onlyfangs creators did more heinous stuff, even doubling down on their stuff and they didn't get Gkicked. The fact that Soda said he felt people felt uncomfortable vs just saying people felt uncomfortable is wild

[azure knoll]

my bald ass son

[untold seal]

Lots of hate for thor has been brewing up for a very long time. This was the catalyst. I mean, another OF guildie harrased another female streamer and the fallout was far less lmao

[buoyant arrow]

They tried to drama content with someone how doesn't do drama content. Walking away was the correct course of action.

[terse hedge]

Hey where’d you get that picture of me in the morning

[quasi rose]

Yamato was just saying random commands. again. i can't work with that.

[novel ferry]

I Must say i get soda vibes have been off

[ivory path]

he beautiful

[rapid stirrup]

that is fair, however rogue is not really a class that can help others

[lament sun]

good morning 👋

[rough narwhal]

this is irrelevant to why yamato sperged out on thor and not the others who made bigger mistakes

[charred wolf]

A lot of us, myself included may be more biased towards or against one person or another more than we may think: I am likely guilty of this because my instinct when I saw how the clip was "thor probably did the right thing"

[rapid stirrup]

it's a very selfish dps

does rogue even get traps or is that Hunter?

[obsidian tree]

[quasi rose]

would traps have even stopped the boss?

[fathom laurel]

just because people play rogues greedily, doesn't mean they aren't a class than can help. They have the most useable CC out of any other nilla class.

[undone pecan]

He could kidney shot the boss or any other mob

[azure knoll]

huntie

[patent bramble]

Rogues have cc

[distant lagoon]

no it doesnt justify yamato's stuff but the 2 clips arent irrelevant to the whole situation

[stoic zealot]

Hey Shaye, Due to what is going on I am slowly posting ferret photos from your twitter to make sure users have some Good vibes in such times

I hope you, thor and the noodles have a good day!

[rapid stirrup]

you can't even really draw too much aggro on rogue since your kit is partly built on throwing aggro onto other people

[azure knoll]

yippee

[lapis phoenix]

hey guys will thor still be streaming

[shrewd quiver]

hunter. but rogue has more tools imho to knock out adds

[buoyant arrow]

kicking the person getting dogpiled is bad look imo. But eh, he'd have to make a call either way, and if he started sweep banning everyone would still be mad with him. Rock and hard place.

[flat tiger]

Last boy pictures for now

[rapid stirrup]

fair point

[warped venture]

its his regular days off

[terse hedge]

Friday. Is his days off

[flat tiger]

(we still have 1 more boy) i forgot to post him

[stoic zealot]

https://fixupx.com/RiverMakes/status/1875732556991361090

[frosty thorn]

How is he rn

[lapis phoenix]

he did say he was gonna watch soda and tyler

[buoyant arrow]

He's probably fine

[rapid stirrup]

I'll be honest I'm not familiar enough with Rogue to say what they could've done to salvage the pull

[dense hawk]

rogues have cc and a clear way out with vanish, Yamato was in no danger ever but did less than Pirate did because even though it was the wrong rank blizzard he at least tried it

[stoic zealot]

Henry reminds me of myself :3

[remote bronze]

this is maybe some boomer shit but is there a way to send a nice supportive message to thor or do you have to donate during a stream? i dont get on twitch much and usually dont catch the streams live because of my schedule. i just want to be supportive

[slender maple]

how are all the ferrets doing hopefully all are doing well

[charred wolf]

And I sincerely think this goes both ways. We may think here that Yamato is the root cause of the issue, or someone else from a different community may think it's entirely on thor.

[quasi rose]

i don't know the healer died first too. i don't see a reason to stay in that pull.

[spring atlas]

not Ziqo farming drama afrer 3 FRACKING DAYS

[shrewd quiver]

good old times one-shotting innocent hordes with Ambush in my full bloodfang gear 😈

[charred wolf]

I think the truth lies in the middle.

[rapid stirrup]

I know what frost mage could've done and that healer druid really couldn't have done anything

[distant lagoon]

ziqo already made his comment, he pretty much said everyone except the priest screwed up

[stoic zealot]

https://fixupx.com/RiverMakes/status/1874749776329400507

[rough narwhal]

this is stupid too, people keep saying "GUYS ITS NOT ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY ITS ABOUT HOW HE WOULDNT TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY" and when someone has an argument against that they say "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY THO" LMAO go touch grass

[fathom laurel]

The issue lies in the fact that the rogue immediately made noise about the mage being at fault, then turning around and telling people that it was just because he was the only one who didn't take responsibility, which no one did, especially the rogue, so obviously that didn't happen.

[fleet token]

Did thor delete a vod? I can't watch answered TTS. Or is it because I'm on mobile?

[spring atlas]

i'm watching him interview Snupy right now

[flat tiger]

our brat

[novel ferry]

Yes i agree but you heard how the ppl in his own Guild talked about him

[rapid stirrup]

I have no idea who is to blame for the pull going wrong, what I can say is that Pirate could 100% have salvaged that; but I also don't think the pull or the deaths are really the issue that caused all this clownstorm

[quasi rose]

what good is a frost mage with a dead healer. i know mage and i can tell you i'm not conviced of anything right now...running was still the right call

[shrewd quiver]

the druid imho killed the people I think, because he pulled the extra group that was close to the healer

[weary nebula]

Remember have a civil discussion, chat.

[flat tiger]

civil with dookers?

[stoic zealot]

https://fixupx.com/RiverMakes/status/1874743231491285248

[tender grove]

Yuhhh, middle ground needs more voices bc for sure, most of that was a hate group waiting for a chance

[rough narwhal]

are you reading what you're typing before you hit send

[spring atlas]

being civilised gets tiring while you have to sit and watch a good person get mistreated

[late bane]

The g kick just shows onlyfangs allows hate, hate raids and death threats. Whatever happened on the lead up is bs compared to this!!

[proper phoenix]

Everyone fcked up
Shit got blown way out of proportion
And here we all

[dark nimbus]

Can i post a funny meme video about the incident. If you dont like it just delete it i just find it hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdhgz_xrX1s

[lucid aspen]

I struggle with this situation cause I have autism spectrum :/

[obsidian tree]

Banger song

[atomic temple]

Guys i have the most hours watched This was targeted its not about wow anymore

[flat tiger]

love from our goofus to everyone!

[frosty thorn]

Yes almighty stinker

[atomic temple]

some streamers can be 2 face

[quasi rose]

that's true we are here...here we are.

[atomic temple]

Thor is not

[pearl ermine]

Yup, this. The problem is that he is PirateSoftware. First it was because he ran out, then its what he did or didn't do, then it was that he didn't apologize, then its that he didn't take enough accountability. Now all I see is that his Ego or something is making them insecure. Hater's gonna hate. These people just want a convenient punching bag to make themselves feel better.

[fading temple]

Its a bunch of content creators who play MMOs for a living, what do you think they are good at?

[distant lagoon]

what in the world are you talking about? do you think the clips where thor talked bad about moonmoon and talked himself up to t1 about his mage skills BEFORE the Dire Maul run are irrelevant to how people have perceived thors attitude in all this?

[glass burrow]

guys, i went down the onlyfangs rabbit-hole. What the actual .... 🫠

[obsidian tree]

Thor never lies!

[fleet token]

Not really. The hate comes from unhinged chatters. Was it fueled? Ofc. But I feel it's unfair to throw the entire guild into one pot

[frosty thorn]

WHY ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET HUBERT MORE UPSETT!

[steep lintel]

im done with it, that chapter is done now. i will not watch any content regarding onlyfangs with any streamers. the fun is kinda gone for me

[late bane]

Yea, you are correct. Still a horrifying surprise

[lyric shard]

I do have a geniuine question for this chat though. There was a point made that when the shotcaller says 'run' in a panicked situation, you run. Now to you guys, does that mean literally run every man for themselves, escape as a team to the best of your ability, or something different? For me after years of playing with teams, it would active the "Escape" response in my mind and i'd see if i can salvage anything and if i dont think so, i peace the fk out.

[fathom laurel]

is attitude is comprehendable considering they immediately corned and blamed him after the run.

[atomic temple]

Thor should keep streaming wow

[glass burrow]

i feel that honestly. Like i get it, its a content guild and all. But this content is questionable..

[charred wolf]

I think that's probably the issue with playing frost mage in general: you need extremely good game sense for pretty much any situation to be able to act as a safety net for. I couldn't tell you if the situation physically couldn't demand thor to safely cast, whether he cracked under pressure, or what. The communication issue may also have thrown him off.

[rich sand]

Is it common thing in murica that the bullied person gets removed from the school not the bully

[shrewd quiver]

Thors reactions are less emotional and more logical. it as a rare attribute these days

[lyric shard]

so it kinda depends on the situation most the times.

[rapid stirrup]

that's fair

[balmy remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/go-to-winchester-grab-a-pint-and-wait-for-this-to-all-blow-over-have-a-drink-have-a-beer-gif-17484415

[buoyant arrow]

Frankly, as much as I'm with Thor, it's worth noting that there's been severe friction by clashing personalities in the very start, when the run went bad. Thor can sound condescending and high horsey with his tone and mannerisms to someone not used to him talking. But that doesn'T need some weird "accountability" chastising. It needed day away, to take a breath and then reconvene when tempers died down. This didn't happen. Thor not engaging was the right call. All nonsene after was just that, nonsense.

[charred wolf]

When tank says run, something is probably not right.

[flat tiger]

What..

[rapid stirrup]

he cracked under pressure 100%

[primal flume]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-on-wait-portable-chair-gif-14549055

[stoic zealot]

https://fixupx.com/PirateSoftware/status/1878927257101910335

[rough narwhal]

it's not irrelevant for the people who are trying to spread hate, but it's irrelevant to everyone who just wants to understand the situation and how it started

[spare topaz]

OOOOOR he could go to other things - like AOC, like Noita, like a new cool indie game...

[autumn niche]

the way i see it. if those directly involved sat on it for a bit to cool down then talk calmly and not blow it out of proportions and let their viewers go rabid over it this whole situation could've been avoided, obviously those who reacted to it and started to throw shade and let their viewers do the same thing didn't help as well.

[rapid stirrup]

like, this is Frost 101, at most like 103

[frosty thorn]

Ywahh asking about is ex or people he liked and what not

[rapid stirrup]

this isn't advanced mageing

[flat tiger]

..... This is getting out of hand

[atomic temple]

Remember half of these creators are not doing this to play wow half of them are LEAGUE PLAYERS

[frosty thorn]

Ywahhhh

[remote bronze]

sad but true, and good forbid the victim ever retaliates

[flat tiger]

Hey im a wholesome league player

[fathom laurel]

Yamda is a league player

[flat tiger]

I main shen and spread love
No joke

[patent bramble]

Does the wowhc drama mean that the Heartbound demo will finally be free?

[steep lintel]

doesnt exist

[quasi rose]

you keep saying that...

[primal flume]

Imagine if the whole pull was planned for clout…

[charred wolf]

I simply can't conclude, especially hearing how serious things got.

[stoic zealot]

for those don't have a twitter here you go

After this I going back to keeping the vibes good

[distant lagoon]

those clips are a part of how this all started though. people would absolutely not have blown this to the proportions that its escalated too if Thor didn't say those things beforehand. it is quite literally Thor hyping himself up and then dropping the ball.

[flat tiger]

[charred wolf]

They seem to have valid points.

Rather respectful too.

I see no enemy.

[rapid stirrup]

I've talked about this a bit before. In WoW most of the time it means escape orderly, as a group, pressing your buttons to try and whittle down the mobs

[shrewd quiver]

agreed and other content streamers were sadly greedy enough to "generate" drama content out of this

[frosty thorn]

Maybe thor can go play civ 6

[rapid stirrup]

it only means every man for himself, save your souls if things went real bad

[fathom laurel]

I mean, wouldn't have happened if rogue didn't panick, then make a bunch of noise to distract from himself. But the Thor clips surely don't help.

[rapid stirrup]

which can definitely happen but was not the case here

[remote bronze]

my dream

[fleet token]

Yeah, he did go in on other players messing up with mage and not saving people

[distant lagoon]

exactly

[flat tiger]

Civ 7

[fathom laurel]

It's ruff

[quasi rose]

i'm still not convinced it wasn't real bad....the shot caller wasn't really shot calling

[spring atlas]

wow players can be just as toxic

[primal flume]

Did they gkick him while he was offline as well?

[stoic zealot]

Looking at ferrets while listening to MGR music

this is a vibe I have never expected . . .

[rapid stirrup]

because it's true, it's the basics of how to play the class

[frosty thorn]

Y4s

[slender maple]

yep

[fleet token]

Yes

[obtuse river]

whats MGR?

[primal flume]

Spineless

[spring atlas]

ofc that way he couln't defend himself

[stoic zealot]

metal gear rising

[flat tiger]

Getting a cup of tea for relaxing

[hushed arch]

i don't know much about WoW, i only know Thor by his generosity/kindness and really cool stories. so i really find the attacks on his character unfounded. wishing everybody the best.

[obtuse river]

ooooooo, yeah. I know that! Haha, good mix.

[charred wolf]

@rapid stirrup any opinions in the kick?

[frosty thorn]

Ooooor Warhammer!

[fading temple]

And as I said before in this chat, Sodapoppin was already calling this "Accountability" issues while everyone in the content farm community wants to take out the big content creator to get their fame and clout in for the content.

It was already on the wall what Sodapoppin was thinking when he became full leader again

[slender maple]

https://www.twitch.tv/lacari/clip/FlaccidHumbleLasagnaPartyTime-KIjPefAX-3HSdFM2?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time saw this posted in another chat

[proper phoenix]

My friend who play wow reading this:

[fleet token]

Rather kick him when he's online and has to deal with it live?

[tender grove]

He spent all day trying too, vibes off

[hard hamlet]

well he dont stream today nor tomorrow anyhow right? so wouldnt matter

[charred wolf]

Treat yourself.

[atomic temple]

i didnt think this was bigger than it was until i login today

i hate the internet

[quasi rose]

but you have no one leading and a dead healer. how is that basic?

[steep lintel]

unfollowed some ppl, ended a sub. Refusing to watch content that is based on hate

[fading temple]

Yeah, this was definitely a targetted attack on Thor by multiple sides over a video game.

[ancient burrow]

I doubt the guild will last much longer when thats the standard tbh

[lucid aspen]

or unfair treated

[summer night]

no white knighting guys. to use the meme "we dont do that here" whats done is done. it sucks but we move on

[primal flume]

Why would it have to be live? At least wait for the man to have an even playing field.

[fathom laurel]

It lasted through Miz and Emi bs before

[undone pecan]

Same …

[proper phoenix]

Best approach to kick him
Rather do this offline than doing this when thor and the other OF streamer is streming with hundreds of thousands of viewers
The bloodbath will be insanne

[ancient burrow]

they will soon find someone else to escapegoat blame on the next mistake and so on

[flat tiger]

Extra sugar because we need sweetness

[tender grove]

Is there a group headcannon as to why the least experienced person was any kind of shot caller?

[obsidian lintel]

There's a lot of parasocial behavior on twitch, it seems to only be getting worse with some streamers too

[spring atlas]

same

[flat tiger]

They lost their main enchanter

[primal flume]

They could have messaged privately while online and say “can we chat about your future at onlyfangs” or some shit

[fleet token]

Because you said when "he's offline"
If he's online, as per the rules, he has to be streaming

[distant lagoon]

and at the same time found new people to watch. Hubert 🙂

[remote bronze]

miz should be g kicked for incompetence tbh

[uncut imp]

Yo guys is onlyfangs now completely griefing pirate??

[buoyant arrow]

They have like 10 enchanters.

[fading temple]

Thats true. The only question is when are these clout farms and hate groups going to end? Cause its just more reaction videos from the usual.

[flat tiger]

No the community is

[steep lintel]

no, if hubert continues to play onlyfangs, then i will not watch him either. its a shame, but no.

[flat tiger]

Oh dsmm

[stoic zealot]

https://fixupx.com/RiverMakes/status/1872506096449130904

[rapid stirrup]

I think it was inevitable after the last few hours of the stream, with the whole "other streamers are brigading me" and stuff like that. Do I think it's justified? That's a bit harder, I think. As a former guildleader I understand that keeping harmony can be very important and I don't think Pirate helped his case at all by how he acted today

[shrewd quiver]

worst thing you could do btw is hate watching the streamers who caused the gkick. just dont watch them anymore if you dont like it

[primal flume]

Refer to comment above your latest 👌🏻

[drowsy vector]

My opinion: Mods deserve fresh tasty bread for hard work.

[fathom laurel]

as much as I don't like Miz, he at least defended Pirate in saying how awful it is to deal with what he is going through - and it not being deserved.

[shrewd quiver]

and I think Thor will do his own statement about it

[candid grove]

My question is how did this blow out of proportion so much? I see serious offenses with other content creators happen more quietly. Is it because this server is full of content creators so it could spread this much so fast?

[steep lintel]

Mods are the real champs here 🙂

[flat tiger]

Agreed.
Garlic bread for extras

[terse pelican]

It's funny that they kick Pirate for this, but other streamers cause more drama and get to stay

[proper phoenix]

When they got bored and thor doesn't respond to it
The more he respond the more they will continue to drama farm
Its over move on ppl

[remote bronze]

i still like miz but he sucks at wow lol

[fading temple]

They really are.

[flat tiger]

Only fresh baked

[rapid stirrup]

you still have rank 1 blizzard, frost nova and cone of cold; your job to get the rest of the team out has not changed, and neither has your ability to do so

[hollow bobcat]

As someone who has experienced trolls coming after me in real life because of something that happened in a game, I can massively sympathise

[lucid aspen]

not as I got unfair treatment

[spare topaz]

HELL YEA! The mods have been phenomenal through all this

[charred wolf]

Hmm. I see.

[autumn niche]

LSF and chat hoppers dog piling is the main part

[lyric shard]

@candid grove I think there have been lurking haters waiting for any reason to hate on him because of his "golden" aura that they want to break.

[cedar tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJuWC_T6THM

[steep lintel]

anyways, im done with this subject. This is depressing.

[fading temple]

Very true, and that won't be up to us then.

[lyric shard]

he does so many good things like the sanctuary, paying moderators, charities, helping depressed people etc. that they dont like it when someone has it all.

[proper phoenix]

Asmon review is quite the trigger, other streamer give their piece and thor keep responding to the bait help fuel the fire further

[fathom laurel]

TBF, don't even need to be a good rogue to know to attack, and not stand there doing nothing. They wouldn't have hit the first downramp if they remained focussed.

[candid grove]

I will never understand this. Everyone has the right to dislike anyone. Why jump on a hatewagon and esalate things. So incredibly stupid...

[ancient burrow]

game jam coming, better content, less time dealing with manchildren, it is all great from here

[rapid stirrup]

I think other people that implied they'd report the reacters (which in a guild like this will be like 75% of the guild at least) to twitch would get kicked as well

[charred wolf]

I'm a bir out of the loop, could you tell me more about what happened today?

[buoyant arrow]

I just wonder if he'll keep playing or start up any of the number of games he had on his backlog

[lyric shard]

they want to knock people down like that a peg for any reason possible.

[rancid nest]

Following this pathetically short sighted decision, he should stand in Org bank and delete all the mats on stream and then unlearn the professions as a big FU to onlyfangs.

[fleet token]

They could. But they rather end it quickly rather than drag it out. The decision was already made, nothing to discuss about it. They talked before and thor did not seem like he wanted to anymore.

[rapid stirrup]

fair yeah

[steep lintel]

this means more AoC and other content thats actually fun 🙂

[candid grove]

Yeah, like they "Expect" him to be perfect or something, handles something wrong (or consider him handling it bad) and they want to ruin it. This is modern society and internet. Really sad 😦

[terse hedge]

Nah, better to just move on.

[rich sand]

How would you act if you are getting bombarded with death threats for hours while you work?

[timber jasper]

yeesh - I just found out about Thor being kicked - how long ago did that happen?

[blissful crescent]

I feel sad. Its sad that worse takes void of nuance seem to win on and it feels like trying to explain and reason and talk about it wont work. Its like so many ppl have the mind set in stone and die on a weird hill just because they juge a person so harshly without nuance. Putting so much more energy to break ppl instead of being civil about it. I know its the internet but it gets you down.

[vagrant silo]

I get why Asmon quit wow, what a pathetic excuse of a community lmao 😂

[shrewd quiver]

technically you cant access the guild bank after gkick 😛

[quasi rose]

well in anycase it is all a real bummer...

[fathom laurel]

People put way too much pressure on Mages being good and zero pressure for rogues to play well - despite rogues having a more diverse kit with heavier cc

[lyric shard]

FieryHammer if you've ever been in an argument with someone irl, you know that rationale often takes a backseat. its even worse on the internet when you dont even have to expose yourself so the "real" hate comes out in people. and some of these people have serious mental issues.

[flat moat]

about 5 hrs ago

[lyric shard]

its mob mentality too.

[primal flume]

That’s why I said “spineless” - it was the easy choice. Back to why you replied in the first place 😁

[rapid stirrup]

sorry it's very late and that's a lot of work. Summarising way too much, Pirate got very defensive and pretty much did the opposite of accepting responsibility.

[fringe fractal]

There’s no guild bank in classic no?

[hushed arch]

yeah, its wild that, it sounds like he was just making a decision in a game. and now people are mad at him because they didn't like the decision he made? lol that's insane, or am i missing any additional context there?

[rapid stirrup]

I have no idea

[vast falcon]

More Blockgame dev streams 🗣️ 🔥 and maybe, just maybe. Metaphor Re:Fantazio streams

[candid grove]

Oh I completely missed the asmon part, need to catch up what it was

[proper phoenix]

Ignored it

[shrewd quiver]

to be honest. idk - too far back and I dont play wow anymore

[stoic zealot]

https://fixupx.com/RiverMakes/status/1870948203081937070

SHAYE GOT THAT FIT!

[rancid nest]

The mats are in his bank

[buoyant arrow]

Or Rogue Trader! I'd be so down with wathcing him play Rogue Trader. It's such a great game for someone recently getting into 40K

[terse pelican]

I think it's just that people want someone to blame, and they can't blame the entire group. Too logical. So let's blame the person that had the ''best'' survivalist instinct. While the rest of the group kept half-assing the run

[shrewd quiver]

ah my bad. thx for correction @rancid nest

[timber jasper]

Was Thor online when it happened?

[proper phoenix]

asmon while glazing thor he said some very bad stuff ab other streamer
All just to fuel more drama
And thats what he been doing atp to fuel up drama to boost his number so

[hollow bobcat]

Anyone who participates in mob-mentality doesn't belong in this community, so I'm happy so many people have been banned

[uncut imp]

No he wasn’t

[distant lagoon]

asmon supports thor and said he didnt do anything wrong, which triggered more people because A) asmons isn't very popular outside of his own community and B) a lot of other content creators who are more experienced with either classic wow and/or mages didnt support thor

[remote bronze]

would be funny if he just sold it all on the AH and then they begged him to come back XD

[fleet token]

Nothing to do with spine. They didn't fear his response. He cut off the communication in the first place. The only thing that changes is, that he has to handle the kick while being live on steam, or not

[terse pelican]

Won't happen

[vagrant silo]

Just a matter of time before something like this happens to one of the people hating on Thor and then its them getting all the hate, which WILL include the people helping them now. Its going to be so glorious when this happens

[candid grove]

Thanks for explaining

[fading temple]

Agreed, if folks are gonna keep harassing over a game, they should have better things to do

[empty mirage]

Here’s the thing that’s rubbed me the wrong way. The guildies each created videos and fuelled the fire but they claim they didn’t and they’re saying thors community would have done all this hateful stuff on their own. At the end of the day idc if Thor made the right call or didn’t, idc that he stood his ground and how people feel about that. What I will say though is there needs to be guidelines in the onlyfangs guild for the content the streamers create. They can try and say that they didn’t contribute or encourage the hate but they 100% did. Just watched a video of many streamers in a vc after the gkick and it was like a high school locker room with them all saying I didn’t aid in this and they continuously downplayed the severity of the hate… if this happened to a smaller streamer I feel the tables would be turned and a lot of people would be mortified how the other streamers reacted to the gkick. But because Thor is considered a large streamer they feel they can just keep shitting on him and oh it’s fine he’s large enough it’s not actually doing anything to him. At the end of the day it’s a content guild but it really feels like the majority of streamers want to clip farm and fuel drama no matter the cost.

[candid grove]

Ah, thanks!

[spring atlas]

He wasn't glazing tho

[flat moat]

They won't, especially after Soda's announcement. They've pretty much severed relations at that point

[lyric shard]

One thing i do hope is that its an amicable split from OnlyFangs and there is no awkward resentment held by either party. I think both sides, the streamers in OF and Pirate just want the drama to stop at this point. Its annoying.

[rapid stirrup]

I'll admit that I am a bit happy about this because of his previous comments about WoW being easy

[lyric shard]

because awkward tension really can kill a stream's mood.

[rotund vine]

I would say just move on? You get a glimpse of what's like to be in a WOW community\

[rapid stirrup]

it felt very dismissive at the time

[patent bramble]

Wasn't the Asmon thing about him doing a video with asmon and talking about AoC?

[lyric shard]

and this was a great night chill stream for a long while, hope it remains that way.

[frosty thorn]

OMG HUBERT DID THORS HELLO THERE

[late bane]

Wow is super easy

[rapid stirrup]

and it's satisfying to see the shoe be on the other foot

[proper phoenix]

Just a figure of speech mate nothing too fancy

[distant lagoon]

thats new seperate drama

[flat moat]

WOW is easy though. People just make mistakes which is why it's hard at first

[terse pelican]

Sort of, but it all stacks ontop of Pirate, cause he's part of it either way

[hushed arch]

ye that sounds about right. i think the only reason why this has gained any traction, is just how many big names are involved.

[obsidian lintel]

Its wild people care so much about a disagreement on 'who is responsible' for something in a video game. Its silly.

[vagrant silo]

''omg you talked to asmon who is political and i disagree with his takes so now youre a dogshit human that gets everything wrong' Okay dude

[charred wolf]

Uh..

[flat tiger]

Hubert is starting to get more happy.

[hollow bobcat]

As with all MMOs, the hardest part is the community

[south cypress]

It's more about how he responded, than whos fault

[dense quest]

what happens if someone has a lvl 60 transfer over to their server and start killing them like laughing coffin? lol asking for a friend

[charred wolf]

Well said.

[fading temple]

There are a few names on there that have said "F*** PIRATE SOFTWARE* in their stream for the clout, so I would agree that they are still trying to send hate his way.

We just have to keep ignoring them if that is the way they want to behave

[proper phoenix]

But in hardcore that mistake can cost u or your teammate their hundreds of hours worth of grind
Thats why everyone always react strongly when their character died

[terse pelican]

Melting pot of polarizing personalities and shit ends horribly. It's kind of why I've never been a fan of ''Big Streamer Events & Competitions'' Cause there's always dumb drama and someone ends up being treated as a scapegoat

[frosty thorn]

FOT THE PIT!

[pearl ermine]

No its not, its because he's PirateSoftware, nothing he didn't would have mattered, everyone would be frothing at the mouth for some reason or another.

[fleet token]

It's called griefing and is bannable

[fathom laurel]

How he responded to being cornered?

[timber jasper]

Gee i'm super dissapointed with the OnlyFangs leadership 😔

[shrewd quiver]

thats crazy SOMEONE has too much time and hate to create an edited video

[timber jasper]

Has Thor responded to it all yet?

[proper phoenix]

Imagine tyler 1 died he will invent new way to tell ppl to do it irl

[distant lagoon]

eeeeh i dunno, i can understand why there's a certain group in this community that would be against the idea of collaborating with a streamer who has been pretty vocally against them.

[spring atlas]

No the so called "pillars" of the community. Streamers are a plague, I just hope that like every social upset this one will start eating its own. God knows some of them deserve it

[candid grove]

It also just shows how shallow people are. Thor has encouraged me to start developing games, I appreciate his positive mentality and how he helps people, how he handles his mods, the ferret rescue, etc. Then let's say he handles a situation bad like, you know, any person ever... and we end up at death threats and a biiiiiig hate over the internet... like wow.....

[flat moat]

Yep and that's what you accept when you choose to play hardcore classic

[charred wolf]

True!

[hushed arch]

yeah, thats what troubles me, is that people want an apology. but theres really nothing to be sorry for. lol no one should be sorry for just playing a game, thats soul intent is to unite communities, not divide them.

[gray siren]

Imo he shouldn't

[stoic zealot]

I am the tired creature but I must keep going for everyone needs some happiness

[candid grove]

I really dislike tyler1's style, but he at least showed he is capable to do anything he sets his mind to, so he would just prove he can reach 60 the fastest 😄

[lyric shard]

RomeoTaylor I think something I've learned from all this is that you have every right to ban who you want from your community if they are being rude/mean/hateful etc, but the moment you do it doesnt cancel out that person's need to "Get that hate out" and they just go somewhere else to release. Hop around other live streamers right now in WoW and you will see people getting their hate out in other people's chatrooms.

[buoyant arrow]

Personally, I'd shrug and move on.

[quasi viper]

this whole thing is the defintion of touch grass it's not that deep

[maiden talon]

If people wanted an apology, they sure as hell aren’t getting one now 😂

[proper phoenix]

U choose to play hardcore to know that your actions have consequences
Your mistake can cost u or your teammate everything
So u better dont make them

[lyric shard]

you cant 'delte out someone being angry by

[rough narwhal]

and it ended the way it did because of yamato

[lyric shard]

oops

[fading temple]

Yep, and this is what SodaPoppin has said publicly as the leader of OnlyFangs

[buoyant arrow]

Any response will be surgically dissected for more out of context clips and such

[spare topaz]

the goal posts kept moving however. short of crawling through the streets in sackcloth and ashes, no form of apology would have ever sufficed. Case in point: he has repeatedly said he made mistakes, but because he didnt make it into a massive thing for content it got missed

[quasi gate]

Just heard Thor got GKd. Which is bullshit 😦 All this hate and harrassment he's gotten and he's the one getting punished?

[terse hedge]

Definitely not. He should wash his hands, state he has other stuff to play, and then play it

[flat moat]

Yea boiiiiii

[shrewd quiver]

idk too much happened that affects real life (swatting/death threats) to just "shake it off"

I would be furious

[dusky grove]

Yknow. Why are you still here if not for some sadistic contentment

[neon ivy]

Pretty much, shrug and move on at this point. It's been settled in Onlyfangs, no one's happy.

[lyric shard]

you cant "delete" anger from the internet, just from your chatroom is all. They will vent their frustration somewhere else.

[pearl ermine]

Perhaps. But thats just another issue. Everyone hemming and hawing over the what haves, and the could haves. Or if everyone had context of how Yamato was speaking to Thor prior, maybe they would have agreed with hanging up lol

[blissful crescent]

I like that take.

[proper phoenix]

Yeah move on chat

[lucid aspen]

I was furious who the hell going send death threats

[proper phoenix]

Drama is over

[crude sphinx]

i think one of the things that makes all of it worse TBH is that Thor has been saying all over how a mage reacts and how it should be done only to turn back and blink away to safety... Now dont kick me cause i dont condone all the behaviour that has happened and Thor is still my cozy stream that i keep up all the time even if im not actively wathing every second but it's all his statements and not following his own words and then doubling down when shit hits the fan that is the problem... Please no kick ❤️

[proper phoenix]

Go home

[ancient burrow]

brother, nobody have time to be talked over when trying to explain

[buoyant arrow]

Look, someone else is gonna mess up in the guild within a week and suddenly they won't even remember this happened.

[rapid stirrup]

because I do respect some of what Pirate has done while also disliking other things he has done

[proper phoenix]

[ancient burrow]

I would also drop the call

[tender grove]

I "watched" 5 to 7 videos (background noise at work) and i heard just hard facts of what could have happened and why the stance he took at the time was wrong. Thats not hate. But by the time he responded to any of that the extremes had showed their faces and that all that was given attention, rightfully so or not the objectivity of how bad it was has been left

[rough narwhal]

why would any reasonable person stay on a call with someone as uncivil as yamato yelling at them?

[flat moat]

Viewers in a parasocial relationship with their streamer character

[late bane]

The fact that no one is mad at the tank shows it’s more about not liking piratesoftware

[stoic zealot]

#streamchat message

[late bane]

Tank did the worst pull you can possibly do

[candid grove]

I highly doubt you would be kicked for disagreeing. Civil, critical discussion is always advertised and supported. Hatred for the sake of hatred is not

[hollow bobcat]

I've had plausible threats in games before and have gone to the police who told me they'd only take action if I saw the person outside my house. It's a bit late by then. In UK law just making a plausible threat is a crime, but they wouldn't take me seriously

[dense quest]

right? it was like speaking with a angry child throwing a tantrum.

[fading temple]

Well either way, you guys have fun talking about this more and more, I'm going to get some sleep.

[vagrant silo]

In other more joyful news; Shaye is cleaning out the litterboxes and some wigglers are out roaming around

[shadow prairie]

The group sucked. Vibe was horrible. Thor saw all this coming from the first failed run, and yet gave it another shot. And when they proceed to fail again, he had no emotional obligation to save those guys. He picked the logical path which imo was the right one. I´d done the same in a heartbeat. People fail, and should own it.

[blissful crescent]

Discrediting ppl opinion by saying you are soft is dismissiv.

[dense quest]

o.o glad i always have the ferret stream on Q_Q

[quasi gate]

Lets go!!

[south cypress]

Once he realized the backlash of the community, he went back on his initial response of he had no way to help. I think it was a bit pretentious at first and people latched on.

[pearl ermine]

Yup, and if you point that out, then Thor didn't apologize enough/take enough account ability/injured their fragile self-worth with his ego. (I see a LOT of comments about his supposed ego.)

[fading temple]

same, watching the ferret stream to sleep

[fringe fractal]

Honestly the one thing I find the most bothersome about this is that the people that encouirage the hate raid are supposedly not getting gkicked, or at least there's litte words regarding it. If they don't end up getting gkicked as well I do hope the guild falls apart eventually.

[empty mirage]

Agreed. We’ll just have to ignore it.

[rough narwhal]

I know you're just a troll trying to rage bait but to be clear, yamato was not being civil

[jovial acorn]

lol soda gkick pirate while pirate is streaming is insane that was very foul

[candid grove]

Yeah. Like, was it a mature thing to do? No. But if you get shouted at and can't talk normally it's really tempting to just click the red "quit" button. And it's hard to make the correct and mature choices all the time when you are livestreaming half of your actions. It's crazy how people blew this up, like they act perfectly all the time....

[quasi rose]

like that...

[jovial acorn]

if he wanted to kick why not wait?

[hushed arch]

yeah that's rough. i come from a GTA rp community, so that is one thing that you learn to understand/appreciate, is just how much of a narrative gets controlled just by watching from someone elses perspective. From 1 persons perspective you're an angel, from another, you're the devil. lol From a psychological perspective its fascinating, but it can also lead to bigger issues.

[proper phoenix]

But he also did failed
He said it himself
He and the group played poorly
They bite off more than they can chew

[ancient burrow]

I would ve kicked yamato for keeping the drama nonstop

[neon ivy]

I don't believe any kind of apology would have ended this, and apologizing now would never be enough for some/most, just fanning the flames and creating even more clips

[lyric shard]

UltimatMax I dont think he was live when he got kicked. but im not sure.

[proper phoenix]

He didnt kick thor while he is streaming tho what u on about

[mystic jasper]

just wait till next time 🙂

[ancient burrow]

actually quitting without feeding the fire IS the mature thing to do

[terse pelican]

For sure.

[jovial acorn]

i am watching summit videos he said he was live

i just assumed he was live

[steep lintel]

no, soda gkicked him while pirate was not online. the spineless solution

[obsidian lintel]

see this is a fair way to handle disagreeing with him.

There's nothing wrong with not agreeing with his actions/statements. What's wrong is when people let that fuel hatred and go and do degen level shit to him over what happened on a WoW server.

I see people going "AHA! I ALWAYS hated Pirate, I knew he'd do something like this eventually!" like just waiting for him to do something they didn't like to go shit on him.

[tender grove]

The high road he talks so often about not being taken is actually what lead me into this lol outta character felt weird

[stoic zealot]

odd looking ferret

[ancient burrow]

when people are laser focused to tell you re wrong there is nothing you can do to convince otherwise

[distant lagoon]

i don't think what @crude sphinx said condones people threatening, harrassing and attempting to harm Thor or his mods in anyway. I agree with Nords take and I think anyone who's reaction to all this is more than "wow that was a bit of a misplay" is overeacting

[weary nebula]

Gort!

[late bane]

Asking for an apology is wild. He didn’t pull the mobs

[dense quest]

i'm going to walk away and watch the ferrets play and let the mods handle the dumb dumbs before i pimp slap someone with gifs

[buoyant arrow]

"Roll a mage then" wasn't feeding the fire? I agree the stepping away was right, but if we're gonna nitpick, the bard thrown as you leave ain't mature. Still the right call to walk away.

[rough narwhal]

instead of engaging you go for statements like "if you think x then y" is ragebait

[jovial acorn]

yeah it was my bad but still the reason being "people were not confortable being with him"

[candid grove]

You are right. You can't discuss when one part is heated and angry. Better to talk it out when all the heads are in the right place

[rough narwhal]

in my opinion of course

[late bane]

Asking for an apology because he didn’t play as good as another mage is wild

[hollow bobcat]

This badger seems different

[jovial acorn]

did soda even talked to pirate about it? No

[blissful crescent]

I follow you in watching ferrets.

[empty mirage]

If I were soda I’d make it a rule that making a video or a clip after a failed raid just to fuel drama is not allowed. Constructive and useful criticism is welcomed. However, They appear to be proud of the chaos they collectively fueled to tens of thousands of people. To me that is not right. You’re all creators, have some decency and treat each other with respect. But rage baiting and fueling the fire is huge for views so I’m not surprised to see they don’t have any guidelines about the type of content they should be engaging in.

[mystic jasper]

naa it's a trash content guild ; better out of it and even Wow

[jovial acorn]

and now yamato is making a party with this

[ancient burrow]

definitely a mistake, should just left

[fleet osprey]

It sucks that Thor was kicked but I think it might have been the better decision. PURELY just to get people to stop talking about it quicker

[obsidian lintel]

isnt the entire point of this streamer wow thing to farm content?

drama is a lot of content

[rapid stirrup]

yeah not a big fan of the "roll a mage" comment

[stoic zealot]

due to me being so mentally tired because my brain is wired in a dumb way to make me feel sympathy pains for others my mental power for reading is sorta . . .off rn

So I going to retire myself to posting stuff from Shayes twitter to make sure we have good vibes here

[quasi rose]

so many people made content out of this....it's gross

[jovial acorn]

if he just left a least it would be a middle finger to the guild

[late bane]

Yeah we know you don’t like pirate

[distant lagoon]

like...ferrets?

[clear furnace]

I think it will do the opposite

[tender grove]

As much sense as it makes who would have the time to say who is or isnt? That joker dude has some growing to do for sure tho

[dusky grove]

I do see thor's response as... prickly, prickly seems like the right word. But I feel it was returning the favor after being yelled at.

Yamato doesn't seem like the kind of person who'd have a calm civil discussion about anything

[empty mirage]

100% but you could create some rules about the content needing to be positive in nature and not created to drag down fellow streamers.

[hollow bobcat]

I left a guild in the game I play and made my own guild called Drama Llama
Llamas are blissfully ignorant to any drama around them and carry on with whatever they were doing, haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate

[proper phoenix]

Ab the gkick ? Apparently they did before the kick
And thor still keep the same stance hence soda thing is best for eveyone on the guild for thor to be kick

[jovial acorn]

i think the only people that was asmongold and tyler1

[ancient burrow]

if anything we just get better content, nothing good would come from the company of dramaqueens, thor inst the guy to farm this kind of content

[stoic zealot]

yes

[fleet osprey]

Imo, people will just make the whole "PIRATE DID WHAT AND GOT KICKED" videos then call it. Like what else can come from it. He's not in the group anymore

[lucid aspen]

ferrets are wiggles and cute ❤️😁

[jovial acorn]

oh ok i am just watching youtube videos about it

[wind pivot]

My two cents on this, though probably unwarranted, is that Soda should've had a private conversation with Pirate before the kick. To kick pirate while he wasn't even online is insane to me, this whole ordeal has become toxic and childish, and watching OF streamers today after the kick left a sour taste in my mouth with how they are handling things.

[dusky grove]

If they kick thor cuz of his attitude, they oughta kick like half of the guild cuz comparatively they're way more volatile

[clear furnace]

People will keep spam hate raiding him cuz "they were correct, that's why he got kicked"

[charred wolf]

That makes sense to me.

[dusky grove]

There's a difference between defensive aggro and offensive aggro

[mystic jasper]

they're the best of the best, the gigachad of wow !
They forget it's just a game... Childhish adults ...

[jovial acorn]

does the reason was pirate saying it was threatening in stream the streamers? I think he was being scarcastic

[candid grove]

make content about the game and other streamers but not the drama...

[empty mirage]

Another valid point. How do you manage that? I for certain don’t have an answer to that. But perhaps a guidelines would at least encourage members to make more positive content and lead them away from deliberately making shitty stuff. That being said odds are a guideline may not even help much

[restive holly]

I've never been more interested in wow my entire life.

[dusky grove]

But no, it seems its a double standard because the loud ones are pulling in people for views

[hushed arch]

yeah, what i told someone earlier is that, the reason why he's responding to everything is that he is standing up for what he believes in. he really did nothing wrong, but they still want an apology. lol its nuts.

[jovial acorn]

i keep saying to my friends i am going to their houses and shoot them up

[fleet osprey]

I never said it would stop immediately, but really more and more and more dumb things would be said and it would go on and on. It's over, it'll pass in like a week and we'll go back to cozy pirate streams

[jovial acorn]

and it's no big deal because they know i am joking

[terse coyote]

Just woke up and saw Kris yee stream for a min, I am in disbelief that Thor got kicked. I don’t understand this.

[jovial acorn]

was it because people were pissed off and used that as he being serious?

[mystic jasper]

not sure about that

[clear furnace]

I think if he didn't get kicked it would've ended quicker then it will now

[mystic jasper]

some streamer were feedign the fire of haters ...

[lyric shard]

yeah i think it will be more than a week now

but it will end eventually

[terse pelican]

If Pirate appologizes at all, They'd just call it fake and how he's trying to save face. So neither option would do any good

[flat moat]

sus

[candid grove]

people will hate raid currently if he itches his neck with a different hand. They are jumping to anything atm

[mystic jasper]

Thor just has other game to play , other party to play with it's okay

[obsidian lintel]

in an ideal world, but drama causes a lot more commotion than just normal content

[wind pivot]

Discord has been popping off about it for the last 6 hours since it happened lol

[ancient burrow]

you know it gonna have 20 videos with something like "the thor kick situation is crazy"

[quasi rose]

with all the threats and bashing in general, OF made it a lot worse.

[dusky grove]

I don't agree that he's blameless. I say he has a reason. Did he mess up mechanically, yeah. Was he agressive in his defense of himself, yeah.

Was it an equivalent response to the amount of shit being said about him? Yeah

[obsidian lintel]

people in it for the boosts will obviously play into that as it boosts their numbers

[fleet osprey]

Really? Id just assume pirate would be public enemy number 1 if he was in the guild and litterally every minute mistake would have added another week to the tally

[jovial acorn]

i know them for years it's no big deal the say they come to my house to beat me up and send me to the hospital

[fleet osprey]

Clip farmers be clip farmers and all that

[jovial acorn]

it's just friendly trash talk

[buoyant arrow]

That's literally what half of the current videos are called already.

[terse coyote]

Soda made the decision?

[charred wolf]

I am being optimistic and think the situation will end by friday.

[dusky grove]

Yeah

[empty mirage]

That’s what I thought it was supposed to be. But not it’s just a high school locker room of who can I shit in next. That’s just how I’ve felt over the last few weeks. Been slowly getting more and more disinterested in the content because the majority feels like it’s drama.

[flat moat]

Yeah

[shrewd quiver]

#streamchat message

[buoyant arrow]

Or rather, some variation of it

[clear furnace]

People would get over it before the next guild meeting cuz not more content to get from it, now it's just more content

[marsh forge]

Discord cropped these pictures really good 😄

[candid grove]

even if he did things wrong, it's blown way out of proportion

[proper phoenix]

Yea

[jovial acorn]

yamato just got want he wanted

[fleet osprey]

Disagree but well see as time goes on ☺️

[hushed arch]

you raise a good point. that is another thing i noticed, is that... all of this drama seemed to just give some people an excuse to attack him. like they clearly had issues before all of this started. so some people are just being opportunistic.

[jovial acorn]

for pirate to get screwed

[terse coyote]

Wow I’m so disappointed in soda

[stoic zealot]

. . .just realized 15 users did the roach . . .

[proper phoenix]

Everything thor and everyone did after that is jsut keep adding fuel into the fire

[wind pivot]

Also like.... do they need an apology THAT bad? They litterally all jumped into a discord call when it happened to basically shit talk him.... like... what do they want an apology for?

[dusky grove]

Honestly tho. Good riddance. If that's the kind of guild onlyfangs is going to be, one where hate superseeds logical and civil discussion, then I wouldn't wanna be there as a viewer or a streamer

[mystic jasper]

Yup, just wait for this guy next mistake. Don't worry. btw is back on LoL for now....

[jovial mesa]

Oh Hubert...

[tropic merlin]

Unfortunately I think a component in him getting kicked is that he wasn't the only one getting hate raided. A lot of those he grouped with yesterday were also getting hate in their chats for having grouped with him, or interacting with him at all.

[stoic zealot]

shayes cute yet cursed Ikea ferret plush

[late bane]

The man was just defending himself from thousands of haters

[terse pelican]

Yeah, There's been underlying drama for ages, he sort of quashed it a while back, but it never fully died out, never will. And this new ''thing'' just adds fuel to their fire and gives them a reason to... Restart the hate and bullshit.

[late bane]

They clipped everything thing he said to defend himself

[jovial acorn]

i just want asmon to see the video about this

[lucid aspen]

ikea selling those!? 😮

[mystic jasper]

Same... Not all guildmembers are bad but .... the toxicity of the biggest streamer is just .........

[clear furnace]

I assume they clipped a lot of things out of context to get him gkicked

[balmy remnant]

I think the actions on stream today on Thor's part were a little weird if I'm being honest. The whole blizzard report thing with the reports or usernames going to employees instead of through the regular report system like everyone else, denouncing the guild entirely, etc. Thor's a great dude I just think it was best for him to be removed at least temporarily until things calm down on all sides of the conflict. Quite literally everyone involved in this could have done a better job handling it. Soda is trying to damage control and remove drama from the guild entirely, which is somewhat impossible but I respect the motive.

[mystic jasper]

They'll just say "doesn't count, it's baldy"

[candid grove]

Yeah. Like when he showed the death threats some people were like "Why are you faking death threats". Some people will believe nothing. This is why he said he doesn't want to get into it, because certain people keep shifting the goal post, nothing will be enough

[charred wolf]

I am worried onlyfangs might devolve into the nature of trying to weed out what they think are their weakest links whenever something goes wrong to the point they no longer have a sufficient crew.

[pine isle]

Thor and Sequisha should start an "OnlyFangs Refugees" group

[terse pelican]

Exactly, They hate him cause he's him.

[ancient burrow]

why wouldnt he use a faster lane if he had access to one - also he posted about a ton of deaththreats he was getting in game

[proper phoenix]

Ima pass on that
Hes one of the reason shit got blown out of proportion in the first place

[dusky grove]

Who said anything about him going straight to the employees?

As for the reports, they were sending him death threats, thats clear tos violation

[mystic jasper]

Exactly. It's the best call from Soda. Maybe not best timing but ; it's better for Thor to take distance and let this guildrot from inside

[jovial acorn]

Only fangs crybabies

[shrewd quiver]

sources about the reporting?

[pearl ermine]

What..? He was using the in-game reporting function.

[wind pivot]

Something I've been seeing as the "reason" is that allegedly Thor was making threats about getting streamers banned, which i never saw, NOR have I seen clips of. I did see him reporting people send him threats and trying to DOX him in game chat and talking about that though

[mystic jasper]

sad to day but it's the truth...

[empty mirage]

I don’t think they do want an apology and if he did they’d just say it’s fake… and at the end of the day it’s a game… do we really need to be apologizing about a fictional character on a computer game? Perhaps it’s touch grass time for some peeps?

[charred wolf]

There are people who still sincerely believe he uses a voice changer.

[rapid stirrup]

I mean let's be honest, after the first boss of molten core they won't have enough people for the second one lol

[ancient burrow]

thats the funniest shit of all thor rrats

[ocean cedar]

100% yes, at this point I think soda made the right decision, as much as it sucks. better to keep everyone separated so they can chill off.

[hushed arch]

in my mind though, it's just a game. there really are no "Wrong choices" in a game. questionable, perhaps. Consider, if you did everything exactly as everyone else would want... then the game is pointless, it's not your choice. that's what makes games fun, is that you get to explore the different choices. if the choices are on rails, then its no choice at all.

[clear furnace]

No-one else's mods have been getting death threats, 2 swat attempts on Thor/the Ferret rescue (on Shayes birthday even) and just spam hate msgs and death threats, after 72h people break and actually want it to end asap the ways they can, you blame him for that?

[candid grove]

No wait, seriously? I honestly thought that was just a meme, that people believe that 😄

[balmy remnant]

Not responding to everyone, here are my sources though,

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1i1kgje/after_sextupling_down_piratesoftware_calls/

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1i1e54d/pirate_on_in_game_reports_i_worked_at_blizzard/

[jovial acorn]

how he was trashing on yamato the druid and defending pirate?

[mellow plinth]

How's everyone what's doing

[trail crater]

He was getting death threats and people attempted to swat him twice. Atp it’s scorched earth because it’s putting people in danger and anyone who encourages that behavior SHOULD be reported and banned.

[quasi rose]

Threats and Doxxing is no joke. i would have reported them too

[rough narwhal]

This doesnt come off as soda trying to damage control and remove drama from the guild, it comes off as "this is probably over right? let me milk it one last time"

[late bane]

I just feel bad for pirate cause you know he was excited for the raid

[golden mirage]

This is disingenuous at best. If you were receiving thousands of hate mail and death threats a day you'd be using any means at your disposal to deal with it. If you knew someone with any authority to cut off one of the avenues, you'd reach out. Trying to claim thor is a bad guy for using a contact to stop such behavior is bs.

[ancient burrow]

though, I am going to be 33 in a few months, here hoping my voice changes too

[balmy remnant]

Through the standard report system like me you or anyone would use.

[jovial acorn]

first video is deleted

[strange owl]

Tbf we all know how that raid would go. lol

[balmy remnant]

Clip mirrors in comments

[shrewd quiver]

well to be fair doxxing and life threats I would have used everything I can

[charred wolf]

I have no idea what this means but I'll assume that's a good joke.

[marsh forge]

Thor deleted the Vod from yesterday

[trail crater]

Hell no. He’s allowed to use any advantage he has here.

[candid grove]

I wonder if OF will have a split after this, like people who will stand up for saying an offline kick with no discussion is not healthy

[rose kayak]

Im... a bit speechless... so the problem now is that thor might (or not) have used former contacts to report death threats... and not the death threats to begin with? wth is this?

[buoyant arrow]

Also, 2 Swatting attempts.

[light hollow]

Hubert Sadge

[distant lagoon]

the top comment should be a pinned mirrored clip

[round wharf]

This looks like Ratipede

[maiden ingot]

Hubert’s doing a half-mast salute rn

[mystic jasper]

Farming ...

[proper phoenix]

Bc he did that
While defending thor he said some very bad stuff ab other streamer
And we all know asmon now is just a drama content farmer
He will pick and used the most controversial stuff rile it up and boost his number
Asmon said it many time that most of the ragebait he did was all for content

[steep lintel]

unlikely, ppl will choose the content over honorable actions

[dusky grove]

As much as I want it to, it aint happening.

[hushed arch]

you know Thor one time said something directly to me i didn't agree with. but that's life, not everyone agrees with you 100% on everything. lol and i actually can't fathom how people can do these personal attacks, for something seemingly so trivial. Perhaps this falls into "mob mentality"

[quasi rose]

oh gosh....hubert...i'm sad

[shrewd quiver]

it is amusing though how haters try to act "rational"

[undone pecan]

Yea sadly people will choose content instead of integrity

[candid grove]

well yeah, some people think that if they hate someone enough, death threats and doxxing is justified and the person is a baby if they report it... wild...

[dusky grove]

What happened?

[distant lagoon]

check his stream now 😦 kristoferyee

[lapis phoenix]

me still waiting for thor to stream cause hubert is sad and he said he might play this day to watch soda and tyler duel.

[strange owl]

Sadge

[flat moat]

My heart

[proper phoenix]

Despite's everything idts
Yea everyone gonna have opinions ab thor being gkick but most of them gonna keep it to themself
Better not to stir the pot more, shit already fcked best not to mske it even more fcked up

[distant lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

[delicate dagger]

Absolute cinema

[late bane]

Wait so pirate actually got kicked from onlyfangs?

[quasi rose]

he's streaming...oh man the feels!

[terse pelican]

Yeah. I personally don't agree with everything Thor says, but a lot of it makes sense. And if I disagree I either let it be, or share my POV. But pople are so narrowminded in their views, that it's ''My way or you're getting the worst treatment Ever.''

[chrome scroll]

The way I viewed it was the he still has friends who work at blizzard. And even using normal reporting processes like you and I would, they'll likely recognize his ign/account name. I didn't read it as an intentionally using a "friends in higher places" thing, but just a reality from him working there for so long

[pine isle]

Yeah Asmon is a Terumi figure; he'll deliberately rage bait because he knows that the more hate he gets, the more he'll stick around

[hushed arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/658693104211197962.webp?size=128

[lyric shard]

What did pirate gift Hubert?

[undone pecan]

What is happening to Hubert, I’m in work and can’t watch stream, I’m on phone app

[obtuse river]

Hes replying to Pirates in game mail.

[lapis phoenix]

i hope with all my spite that they get much worse than this.

[strange owl]

Sad stream with sad music

[distant lagoon]

he's sad because thor got kicked because of all the drama shit

[gentle island]

omg huberts stream

[vague elk]

Excellent choice of song.

[mystic jasper]

a lot of us do ..

[lapis phoenix]

some items and some memes

[candid grove]

yes

[proper phoenix]

Yea

[maiden ingot]

Anyone know what song that is? It’s beautiful

[wind pivot]

Jesus, is that second clip what people in the guild were pissed about "threatening their accounts"?

I watched this live and he was specifically talking about the people sending him threats in whispers and the person trying to DOX his father's house.... so unless they were one of those deranged messages, don't think he was talking about them lol

[quasi rose]

hubert is streaming and he just played a sad song a wrote a letter to Pirate....

[jovial acorn]

but he was right tho the other streamer did messed up

[mellow plinth]

.

[mystic jasper]

again : Out of context clips used to defame .. those people are trash. Period

[woven inlet]

Is very sadge

[flat moat]

Character development arc for everyone, team

[stoic zealot]

live stream fails as a drama grifters heaven

FULL of people with their own goals of keeping drama going or giving half or zero trues, taking stuff out of context of things and actively making a hate sphere where if you don't agree with them then you will get hunted . . .doxxed and threatened

[strange owl]

"Bo Burnham - Goodbye" apparently

[undone pecan]

I’m sad for him, I would like to watch or listen to him but my company network blocks twitch …

[stoic zealot]

NEVER get your info from r/livestreamfails

[proper phoenix]

But the thing is we dont know if he was being real or if it was him stirring the pot to make more drama

[balmy remnant]

I just think placing your reports as above or better than others is really weird to be honest. Other than working for blizzard what right does he have to just get prio if he is having an issue. Get in line like everyone else.

[lapis phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA9deCtUNGM

[tender grove]

Puppy anyone?

[lapis phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA9deCtUNGM

[pearl ermine]

Yeah, again: He was reporting using the in-game function. In that clip he's just talking about how insane it is to use a WoW account, what with payment information etc attached to it, to send death threats.

[old light]

I find it hilariously ironic that a bunch of people who didn't know what the hell they were doing are mad at the guy who DOES know what he's doing. And then the guy running the event caved to peer pressure instead of telling them all to just quiet down and grow up.

[vague elk]

"Welcome to the Internet" is also from the same show.

[late bane]

Pirate guild coming please! better then onlyfangs??? Surely!

[flat tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA9deCtUNGM

[silk raft]

OnlyGoblins guild when?

[buoyant arrow]

No. that'd be childish, and fuel to the fire.

[shrewd quiver]

I'm just curious why is this all about the ticket system now. what is your opinion on the swatting?

[hushed arch]

ye. this is actually kind of the reason why i think our education system needs to incorporate a class that teaches people about emotions and how to socialize with one another. because this is a skill that you have to use for your entire life, and benefits the entire world. instead though, people are just expected to "figure it out", and fumble through their emotions (often poorly). it's like with a computer program, its success/failure stems from its initialization.

[candid grove]

If you had friends in the government, wouldn't you ask for help in similar situation if they can get you in prio? Especially if you were suddenly targeted by many MANY people?

[lapis phoenix]

i bet this will be a spite guild to be honest

[hexed portal]

i'd join that in a heartbeat

[old light]

So it's the perfect idea, then?

[maiden talon]

What I think is wild is they kicked him offline. They just lost ALL those mats.

[buoyant arrow]

Quite the opposite, imo

[undone pecan]

If pirate makes an official WoW HC guild then I’m joining

[shrewd quiver]

dont waste my time. I know the answer, and you know it too

[distant lagoon]

and now i have to listen to his internet song

[old light]

I joke....poorly

[lapis phoenix]

NOOODLES

[marsh forge]

not really, this is corruption and those frieds could get punished for that

[late bane]

100% boys we can call it the Wigglers in honour of the ferrets!!!

[terse pelican]

Yeah. Social Educational Classes would be great for society as a whole. And as someone that DOES struggle with social interactions. I'm amazed that the internet is full of people that has LESS Social skills than me.

[trail crater]

Thor won’t make a guild to spite onlyfangs, he’s most likely gonna wash his hands of the whole thing and go back to playing ashes

[trail crater]

No it’s not darling.

[lucid aspen]

I have bit social skills problem due of spectrum of autism :/

[quasi viper]

when you remember all these content creaters are basically 25+ acting like children for views

[empty mirage]

Awe Hubert… that’s actually a really sad song. That was a cute moment.

[buoyant arrow]

Sarcrasm does not read well in text, friend. As many people learned these past few days.

[late bane]

This is probably whats gonna happen but it would be funny!

[empty scaffold]

probs gunna be ashes and.. hopefully some more poe?

[cosmic portal]

I would love if we get pirate wow guild

[proper phoenix]

U prefer they do it online while he and the rest of OF is streaming with hundreds of thousands of viewers watching lul
Its thr best approach out of the shitty situation honestly

[rotund vine]

I doubt he will be interested in HC wow after this, on the other hand, more AoC

[quasi viper]

[undone pecan]

For at least the rest of my prepaid game time, after that we would see how’s things in the community

[marsh forge]

I did my apprenticeship in a regional government. It is.

[candid grove]

That's not what corruption means 😄

[fierce wharf]

Agreed

[mystic jasper]

hoo sweet summer child

[worthy vine]

I would expect Thor to say something, then move on. I don't think he would make a guild, that would just be fueling the hate.

[empty scaffold]

its a shame, i loved watching his OF streams

[old light]

Yeah....I'm especially bad at it, too.

[late bane]

I hope he just focuses on Ashes

[vocal crown]

I think an aspect of why it went so viral is that Pirate's personality is on full display here. I'm going out on a limb here and claim
that most people have dealt with a personal or professional situation where a person acted like Pirate did. The deflection of blame, minimization of responsibility, feigning moral superiority are behaviours which I bet most people don't like dealing with - and seeing it in a content guild is satisfying in a drama-brained sort of way.

[rotund vine]

[fair egret]

thank god

[trail crater]

Okay? It’s not. Because we’re not talking about the government. Because it was an analogy

[quasi rose]

i'm not really interested in HC now honestly

[maiden talon]

yeah, youre right. i genuninely forgot theres a good amount of them streaming rather than recording

[late bane]

As much as i want Pirate to create a guild for him and his community i would prefer he did ashes

[cosmic portal]

Same, but as of now I won't watch anymore OF content from any creator

[late bane]

Whatever the king decides we will be behind!

[rough narwhal]

you realize saying something like this this puts you at the same level of all the people doing the harassing, right?

[hushed arch]

lol well, i typically don't advertise this, because of how people tend to treat me afterwards. but i was homeschooled. Where i received instruction from VHS video tapes of a real classroom. and then papers were sent off and graded. It was a really good system, however the social aspect does suffer greatly.

[distant lagoon]

it actually is. if blizzard higher ups found out their GM's were giving favourable support to someone and acting out of "the rules of procedure" they could get in trouble. Thor isn't doing this. but still

[fathom laurel]

this is not corruption. Corruption would involve personal gain.

[candid grove]

I highly doubt Thor would make his own guild, or at least not now, because it would make members targeted for standing up to him and I see he wants to avoid anyone but him being the target, as he can handle it himself and want to avoid others getting hurt by crazy people

[charred wolf]

Huh?

[weary turtle]

All of this over a dungeon in a video game. Insanity.

[cunning mica]

What do you expect from the WoW community?

[late bane]

Regardless everyone, Thor has his whole community behind him! He knows who the real ones are!

[flat moat]

The reports against people threatening violence against him and his fellows is corruption? run that back

[terse pelican]

Yeah, I can understand that, Homeschooling has it's advantages/Disadvantages, As does any form of educational system.

[weary turtle]

Idk, maybe some semblance of a brain cell to not threaten someone in real life over pixels?

[late bane]

What i dont get is that Yamato should be punished for not doing anything to stop his community hate raiding, this should be looked into!

[marsh forge]

no, but going around established processes to get a faster result would be

[hollow bobcat]

Asmongold has a 93 minute video on youtube deep diving into the whole situation, I got 4 minutes in and I'm bored of it already. Time to move on

[undone pecan]

True … but I sadly expect this happening not only in WoW, I sadly believe it will spread do AoC

[quasi rose]

death threats should be reported....is this not clear?

[mystic jasper]

for a content creator guild?? naaa free money, dude

[charred wolf]

Lol

[rotund vine]

Negativity sells, the content farm will continue

[shrewd quiver]

I think we passed the point of entertainment

[wind pivot]

I'm sorry that your "I'm mad this person cussed me out in game" report isn't as a priority as someone who is getting sent active physical harm threats which can be reported to the FBI.

He worked head of security, he has friends that are still there, they take his reports more serious because they know he isn't just rage reporting.

[late bane]

Yeah its so annoying honestly

[candid grove]

Maybe, but hopefully it will die down, as LSF people and other people will find other things to waste their lives on

[narrow quarry]

He's not though? You literally see him process the reports in game, same as anyone else. To the same team as everyone else.

[old light]

Wait, there are people taking this crap so seriously as to act like that? It's a GD VIDEO GAME! The hell is wrong with people?

[weary turtle]

Like cool, have an opinion on the situation, why are people sending real life death threats? What the hell

[cosmic portal]

Soda handled it very poorly

[hot granite]

Lets be honest OF was getting boring, Pirate being kicked means I can watch him play something new and interesting. I only kept watching for the inevitable MC wipe.

[royal oxide]

Oh Actual Pirates were already receiving shit on Monday. I got told several times that he was this that and the other

[lethal ivy]

i thought pirate said he handled it well

[charred wolf]

False sense of heroism.

[vagrant silo]

He didnt handle it at all. He got scared shitless. He cant even control the guild meetings.

[late bane]

Yeah, don't worry the people who sent death threats would of been dealt with 100%

[mystic jasper]

Viewership is gonna go dfown but they don't care. It's all individual

[smoky crypt]

Wow, even the guild is getting flak now...?

[cosmic portal]

That's just my opinion:)

[vague elk]

Dripping with sarcasm.

[rough narwhal]

obvious sarcasm

[flat moat]

He's not going around established processes, he's reporting as and when he receives it. Those people will have their chat logs investigated per usual.

The moderators are not going to do Pirate's reports first thing but only as they come in via tickets like they do with other things. Standard system

[pine isle]

I mean, people were already hating on Ashes before any of this drama solely because of it being Ashes, so...

[quasi rose]

i don't know they were talking about threatening his family and stuff it. it's really gross.

[charred wolf]

That sounds sad.

[cunning mica]

Anyone remember when soda had a fit over a water fountain in the Endwalker trailer?

[shrewd quiver]

/s

[cosmic portal]

Damn they got me

[royal oxide]

I dont think GKicking someone for no real reason is "Handling it well"

[lucid aspen]

what about second chances for people who were at wrong timing?

[distant lagoon]

reporting people who have broken TOS and potentially the law is what you're meant to do. but if GM's are going out of their way to handle the situation on their own instead of following protocol it's bad for the GM's. Thor is NOT doing this and neither are GM's but this is what people are accusing him of doing

[proper phoenix]

Its yamato community not him
Unless theu have proof that its him who say that his community should hate raid thor the best soda and tyler can do is give him a warning
"Tell your community to chill bro" thats the best he gonna get

[flat moat]

He didn't even make a poll. He went "I felt that everyone felt" instead of stating everyone felt after a poll

[broken glade]

Can anybody help me to understand why Thor deleted last stream's VOD? Just curious, if there was something sensible

[candid grove]

while they are offline nonetheless, so you can't discuss it

[late bane]

Its just a guild with SOME people who are just super childish!

[marsh forge]

I was'n talking about thor's behavioru, i was talking about the wonky comparisons chat makes

[rotund vine]

I genuine believe that those people need help, they just don't know or not willing to acknowledge

[candid grove]

yeah, but how can you milk content if you give second chances, right?

[late bane]

Yeah its so unfortunate

[weary nebula]

As a reminder; please have civil discussion.

[gentle island]

he probably deleted vod because people are disecting it and posting all over LSF

[late bane]

It’s just the cancel mob, pirate is their current victim. Soon it will be someone else

[forest glacier]

Watching Hubert try to start playing after everything is probably some of the roughest shit iver ever watched worse than anything Thor has ever trolled the community with. Sorry Djinnet

[cosmic portal]

Its like finding out your parter broke up with you from the news, awful

[broken hound]

honestly i see it as a win for thor. sure its gonna kinda make the grind a waste of time but he gets to set aside something hes mentioned is getting slightly stale cause its getting dragged out so long, he no longer has to deal with idiots that have done moronic stuff that couldve screwed everyone elses channels for the memes, and cause just go back to doing stuff thats actually fun.

like its meant to be a vetted streamer guild for good streamers to show thier skills and prove they dont need to rely on thier chats to carry them through every game they play, but from the little bit ive watched and heard it seems its more of a overgrown kids afterswchool club.

[terse pelican]

Your name is wrong, It should say, Supremely Stinky.

[patent bramble]

Maybe I should sleep now instead chatting on here

[vocal crown]

If I'd hazard a guess it's because its possible to clip elements of the stream to pick apart Pirates arguments. Damage control, I think

[golden mirage]

Thor getting harrased is supposedly creating a toxic environment to Soda. So instead of dealing with the harassers, he gkicks the person getting harassed. This is called blaming and attacking the victim. Soda definitely did not make the correct decision.

[lucid aspen]

it's sad that happened I seen it alot before I watched Thor.

[charred wolf]

This is why I just play balatro

[pine isle]

Personally, I think Soda handled it like an upper management of a company
(which is both a statement of opinion and a dig at Soda)

[royal oxide]

Huh? There was no reason to kick Pirate from the guild. If you think there was this aint the place for you. The only thing is the ammount of drama kicked up elsewhere and other streamers saying that they wanted to start a fight with him

[wind pivot]

Deleted probably because people are clipping things out of context and saying it's one thing when it's something else.

[mystic jasper]

Just a continuation of what happened but at guild level 😄

[charred wolf]

I used to play Albion but I watched guilds eat each other for miniscule reasons.

[late bane]

Anyway, this will not stop Thor it never will!!!! PIRATES ON TOP WOOOOOOOOOOO

[lucid aspen]

I am a long member of reforge gaming aka saynotorage before I watch Thor.

[charred wolf]

I eventually quit the game altogether.

[narrow quarry]

Yeah, and it only reinforces the wild behaviour. Rather than stick up for the victim, he acceeded to the angry hordes demands. This signals they can and will do it again.

[fathom laurel]

He literally witch hunted, and went to multiple streamers reactions and make more noise than was already made. Mizkif talked about not needing to literally say go hate raid, to cause a hate raid, but when you do that much to make someone out to be a bad guy, it will naturally happen.

[charred wolf]

Albion also has like, an awful global chat.

[quasi rose]

yep OF made things a lot worse

[distant lagoon]

yeah but if Hubert stops playing HC because of all this too that sucks for him. i'd rather it if he ended up stopping on his own than potentially not feeling welcome because he was friends with someone who got witch hunted. im sad for hubert

[brisk sparrow]

Unfortunately punishing the bully is never the choice taken.

[rotund vine]

any game with a globle/general chat is awful

[mystic jasper]

will happen again, just wait. This fuy aready has a background of rage hater ....

[ancient chasm]

From my perspective the WoW drama popped up at the same time Thor did the unforgivable thing of <checks notes> talking to asmongold

[terse pelican]

If he actively went to others to do that, He should be reported on Twitch for it

[candid grove]

yeah, he may be the next target

[rotund vine]

you see literal hell in there

[vague elk]

I believe he said he'd see it through to the end.

[mystic jasper]

there are other games, guys

[golden mirage]

Dealing with it would result in more drama but it would be better than making a blatant unethical decision. He should own up to being the guild leader and work through that kind of behavior instead of ignoring it. Ignoring it has never helped those kinds of problems, it will just keep coming back and getting worse.

[stable ridge]

To be fair soda shouldn't have been involved. He isn't gm. To top that statement off, soda is the last person to hold back from telling people reality. He constantly gets loud. He should have gotten loud and used this as an example as to what should and shouldn't happen in guild groups for end game content. There was absolutely a teaching moment for all but instead they took the easy way out. Imo

[fathom laurel]

He's a league player, he's accustomed to messing up and making noise over someone else to avoid any backlash.

[charred wolf]

I've seen some really nice ones

[royal oxide]

Thing is this will just happen again because they banned the victim not tackle the shitty community.

[quasi rose]

well if Kris quits HC i hope he jumps to AoC too. we will all have fun there at some point.

[hot granite]

On the plus side did anyone watch Deathrow kill Snupy in WC, damn that was funny

[forest glacier]

Hes on rn, its rough. Thor's name is still on all the "Needed by" and the mail he sent just before he got kicked

[proper phoenix]

What can he punish a bunch of angry twitch twitter chatter with
He did the best out of a shitty situation
He just doing dmg control

[rough narwhal]

by introducing consequences for people who hatefarm the situation, which is the main active problem. situation in DM = fire, content creators shit talking thor to their audiences = santa ana winds

[terse pelican]

Innacurate ''dissection'' of what Thor said

[mystic jasper]

it's why I said it's gonna happen again 😉
Don't forget that he didn't respect the COC in the dungeon ... he caused the panic

[stable ridge]

They have to duel to see who gets gm

[lyric shard]

@tiny escarp holy analysis lmao

[shrewd quiver]

personally (no proof) I think the whole guildleader takeover soda vs tayler1 is just content drama. I think he will get it back as planned

[flat moat]

That analysis is flawed and you know it

[candid grove]

some people have too much time on their hands

[tiny escarp]

Sorry, I'm content-brained

[fair egret]

thats a terrible assessment of his statement.

[golden mirage]

He didn't do the best out of a shitty situation, he took the easy way out and didn't deal with the actual problem.

[shrewd quiver]

entertainment...

[vagrant silo]

You people have way too much time. jezus christ 😂

[hushed arch]

i actually was really hoping America would acquire a new dept of education official. because we need someone who will revamp our education system. teaching kids more usable skills that can support them throughout life. i think that's probably why so many struggle currently, is that they are not being taught the fundamentals of life, focusing on individual growth. Also new programs for adults, incentivizing going back to school.

[broken hound]

sounds like a typical cause of LoL or amature mmo streamer hate raiding and mass reporting till they get their way cause they cant win on thier own. kinda funky to see on only fangs level in a mmo that isnt amature enough to just auto ban someone if they get mass reported

[mystic jasper]

exactly what I though xD

[stable ridge]

Totally a fair assessment. I believe the Tyler1 play was solely for viewership

[glad totem]

all of this, because of a game?

[gentle island]

mods?

[vague elk]

Conspiracy boards are just amazing.

[flat moat]

Yep

[quasi rose]

all this because of one shitty dungeon that i was going to avoid at all costs.

[clear furnace]

Not anymore, Soda is always gonna be Guild Leader, T1 was done with it, said last guild meeting

[terse pelican]

As a Non-American, I'm not very invested in what's happening there other than the ''Big News'' that I keep getting on Social Media. the Educational system here in Sweden also needs a bit of a rework cause it's equally flawed

[proper phoenix]

Yes he took the easy way out
Now any problem with thor and other streamer in OF is their personal problems alone
No longer the entirely of OF problems

[rotund vine]

[split copper]

@primal tapir thor got gkicked about 6 hours ago so I'm guessing there's gonna be a resurgeance. The clock's probably been reset

[pine isle]

All I can think of when I see this is that clip from Billy Madison
"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

[forest glacier]

This channel is designated for people trying to have a discussion about the event that happened with Thor and OnlyFangs. Unless someone is being uncivil the mods dont need to be called

[sour glade]

Very sad news :(

[misty viper]

This is actual insanity

[formal kestrel]

probably only going to empower people thinking they were right

with him getting kicked

it sucks

very badly handled IMO

[broken hound]

true but non guildies can still run with guildies cant they?they just cant trade or anything so hubert and the gang could just pull a "screw you soda" persay and just run with thor till onlyfangs do thier final whatever it is.

[waxen comet]

i need context

[distant lagoon]

T1 is in a weird psuedo GM position. he took over after Soda lost his warrior and has stepped up in GM decision making but even Tyler has said whether he wins or loses the duel it is soda who has been doing 90% of the leadership stuff and keeping track of everything. the battle is pretty much just for the cosmetic title of warchief of the guild

[golden mirage]

Which is sending the message to the rest of the guild, make a big enough stink over something and you can force soda to do what you want no matter how despicable it is. He hasn't solved anything for the guild, he's just set up the next disaster.

[ancient chasm]

Would you really want to be involved in something like that if the drama gets so overblown though

[rotund vine]

At this point it's just too much for me to keep up with the drama, I am going to make some coffee, hope you guys have a great day/night, peace!

[candid grove]

It proves how a different point of view can be forced into anything, just to prove a point (if you hate thor, you can "explain" all the negativity into anything he does). Crazy....

[formal kestrel]

the problem now is that people that would go with him its probably a bad idea for them to otherwise they become new targets for hate too

[proper phoenix]

T1 becoming guild leader is for the most part
For the memes and funni

[weary turtle]

I agree

[charred wolf]

The work of someone who paints a picture of a landscape before opening their eyes.

[distant lagoon]

i do not doubt for a second that the rest of OF would bully hubert too if he did that though unfortunately

[formal kestrel]

t1 is basically just guild leader in name even right now

[cedar tundra]

as a pirate fan, i agree the gkick was valid

[weary turtle]

Sorry I was in the shower

[pine isle]

Not to mention it's insulting to people who have had to deal with folks who actually do all the stuff in that "analysis"

[marsh forge]

the last thing i am gonna say about this - hearing Yamato talk in the discord call after it happened left an image of a deeply disrespectful guy - I've had to deal with people who talk over you just like he did a few times

[sour glade]

Why so?

[forest glacier]

how much?

[candid grove]

how was it valid to kick someone without a discussion while said person was offline?

[waxen comet]

yes
aka all of it

[tiny escarp]

I've had to deal with people like Pirate, too. Too much ego in the workforce, sometimes

[weary turtle]

I think this whole situation could have been handled better

[lavish fern]

I know he aint gonna see this, but I wanted to join and shed some positive notes to Thors community or himself,

No one knows the internet like yourself I'd say Thor. Take care of yourself. I think people forget that people can make mistakes IRL and in game, and at the end of the day.. the fact that it's literally a video game, and things have gone to this extent is beyond ridiculous.

The fact that people immediately started milking drama content from this just goes to show the real light to people. Honestly, your reputation outweighs this stuff. All the good you do always will man. None of it was deliberate and you're right, you aren't the only one who made a mistake, maybe the only one who admitted it?

Internet's always jumping up and down about it until they find the next drama to salivate over. Let the haters and idiots ween themselves out of your path.

4000+ idiots removed from your channel 😄 Congrats man and thank you for everything you do! +++++++11111111 respect for sticking to your guns. You're also the last person anyone should mess with lmao!! And gg to everyone supporting Thor/Community

[sand wind]

Yes/no - it is punishing someone that is being victimized by overblown drama, some valid criticisms, and some truly deranged individuals - however, much of the guild was pretty staunchly opposed to playing with him moving forward with how things played out too. It's a little bit more nuanced.

[royal oxide]

You think the response to someone getting ganged up on, receiving threats and swats is to kick THEM!?

[formal kestrel]

soda deciding to kick pirate is just him going "shit this is out of control, well i can kick him and now its not my problem anymore" IMO

[hot granite]

I wonder if Soda was pissed because Pirate grouped with Sequisha

[tiny escarp]

Strawman, that's obviously not what they said

[elfin cloak]

getting other streamers reported, labelling the guild as a hate guild, no guild on earth would tolerate that

[weary turtle]

Basically this yeah

[wind pivot]

Hey mods, i know you're in here watching, making sure things go smoothly.... just want to say, you're appreciated by a lot of people, and don't let the vile and hate get to you guys. You're all wonderful people ❤️

[weary turtle]

But yeah thank you mods for what you're doing despite the issues ongoing

[cedar tundra]

why do you believe he needs to be online to be kicked? infact, didnt he organize a meeting back when he ran his business in secondlife to fire a person deliberately while they were offline?

[candid grove]

So reporting people who break the TOS is now a bad thing?

[shrewd quiver]

so that justifies death threats and swatting? you need to work on dealing with people that are not so "convenient"

[brisk sparrow]

Unfortunately the culture around bullying is to punish the victim. For some forsaken reason

[lucid aspen]

@candid grove well I watch reforge gaming and I seen alot what happens with Thor now alot of clip sniping etc and I am tired of seeing drama it takes all my energy of it.

[lavish fern]

Yes also big love to mods receiving hate too, you're appreciated!!

[sour glade]

That seems to be in bad faith, but to each their own I suppose

[royal oxide]

Huh? He showed the threats on stream they aint no delusion

[late bane]

You seem unaware of what was said

[weary turtle]

And on twitter

[cedar tundra]

the gkick wasnt a response to any of the things you listed i have no idea why you said any of that

[buoyant arrow]

I just wanna watch people play video games and have fun.

[formal kestrel]

guy joined discord today with a psychoanalysis of a tweet

[distant lagoon]

i kind of agree. ive been in enough guilds to see that if a bunch of people in the guild/raid team are constantly complaining about 1 member what else can the GM do? i've seen it happen lots over the years, and thats just when it comes to regular non streaming people and not a giant content creator guild. but Soda doing it while Thor was offline and not talking to him beforehand is pretty dog imo

[tiny escarp]

Strawman, I never said that was OK. It does not justify it and you know it. I mean that people are unable to critically assess themselves due to ego

[rapid stirrup]

supporting the kick != supporthing the death threats that were sent to pirate

[formal kestrel]

[royal oxide]

Yes but my stance is that it isnt the RIGHT call

[sand wind]

It's not really mutually exclusive.

In context, it does - unfortunately feel valid. I genuinely like him overall, but I would not group with him in HC specifically based on how things unfolded.

[quasi rose]

yeah some streamers were being threatening as well. he just wouldn't say who. which is really gross

[wind pivot]

Where did he ever say he was reporting other streamers?

[split copper]

To my knowledge, the only people getting reported were the ones sending threats/otherwise breaking TOS on whatever platforms, do you have anything showing otherwise?

[rapid stirrup]

can't believe I need to say this lmao

[tiny escarp]

I'm not. If you're refering to the stalking etc, obviously that is unacceptable

[smoky crypt]

Bait used to be believable. It's a repost ...

[forest glacier]

Thor grouped with a less knowledgeable group, they had a REALLY bad pull, Thor saw it coming and tried minimally to help with the clear goal of getting out of there. 2 people in the group ended up dying because of a bad call (Run was called, but was then cancelled which caused the death) but the entirety of the internet blames Thor and hes been swatted 3 times and sent hundreds of death threats and so have all the moderators. thats pretty much everything up to speed

[rancid nest]

Hubert seems lost, go give him some love

[broken hound]

true, some of em do seem like childish twats. probably why sodas finally caved. thors had to hold a few of em accountable for risking peoples channels.

[royal oxide]

He got groups all of yesterday, He clearly COULD group with people

[tiny escarp]

Not bait, posted on Destiny's subreddit

[sour glade]

See that reasoning I find far more valid, still unfortunate though

[proper phoenix]

Yes and said disaster will be for the one in said disaster to bear alone
Not everyone in OF is gonna need to be involved in it
Not trying to be the devil advocate but this is literally how school and corpo deal with situations like this
Its wrong but it is what it is
Its shitty but what already been done is done
Just move on at this point

[weary turtle]

I don't care if you have an opinion on the dungeon mishap and who could have done this or that, but sending actual threats to someone's life is crazy behavior and I think you should log off if you're doing that

[formal kestrel]

pirate on stream said he played like crap in that dungeon, that everyone played like crap, but to put it all on 1 guy is just rediculous

[golden mirage]

Claiming nuance is trying to give an excuse for doing a bad thing. That toxic culture that lead to this happening to Thor is still in the guild, it has not been dealt with. Kicking Thor does nothing to fix it and enables it to happen again. Soda shouldn't have kicked Thor and should have tried to curb the toxic behavior instead. Getting rid of those promoting the behavior fixes the toxicity for everyone.

[formal kestrel]

he did this more than once

[quasi gate]

I love how 1 shitty dungeon run has most of the guild not wanting to run with Thor, but what about all the times he saved people and had successful runs. Makes me glad I've never gotten into WoW if this is how people act

[tender grove]

I tried and got hit with 7 ads 😭

[cedar tundra]

it wasnt the dungeon run, it was thor's response to it

[marsh forge]

Hubert's stream is depressing right now

[tiny escarp]

Yep, this

[lavish fern]

I also should mention, knowing that Thor would never put anyone on blast like this deliberately, just speaks volumes as to how other CC's and people are. Guys made a huge positive impact IRL and online. People lose themselves over the internet and it's gone to show. I'm off but hope community here takes care of one another.

[broken hound]

or the times thors saved thier entire channels

[elfin cloak]

theres clips if you just watch them, or you can just see what you wanna see and be ignorant and invalid

[shrewd quiver]

I like your name

[fathom laurel]

which was reactionary to yamda's immediate response

[quasi gate]

You mean Yamato shouting over him and not letting Thor talk?

[sand wind]

It was a compounding and ongoing issue. As well, there are other variables - some will still group to use him for growth, etc. Much as so many are hatemongering/farming. That doesn't mean that there wouldn't be impact to the guild community.

[waxen comet]

so far lines up with what someone said but why do they blame thor

[proper phoenix]

All in all its been done folk
the drama is over

[ancient chasm]

It's thor's response to it and the fact that he talked to asmongold I'm pretty sure

[quasi gate]

Thank you

[lavish fern]

exactly, switch ends and Thor would never do this

[tiny escarp]

To which Pirate kept doubling down on afterwards

[strange owl]

Kupo

[forest glacier]

he had his doubts about the group he was running with and was confident the situation was certain death

[cedar tundra]

both were wrong in different ways

[hushed arch]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-godfellas-if-you-do-things-right-when-you-do-things-right-people-wont-think-youve-done-anything-at-all-gif-25834001

[pearl ermine]

Doubling down on what?

[royal oxide]

Did you see any more than the clips? Or are you just another person who has seen things out of context and decided that Thor is to blame for everything?

[weary turtle]

Its still pretty silly

[wind pivot]

Wait, pirate was SWATed on stream yesterday?

[late bane]

Define doubling down? Defending himself from hate?

[hushed arch]

When you do things right, people won't be sure you did anything, but when you do something wrong.... boy do they know it. lol

[fathom laurel]

because they only put the blame on him, at no point did they go over how anyone else did anything wrong, especially the rogue, who did less than.

[cedar tundra]

thor is to blame for his own gkick, which is the entirety of our back-and-forth to this point

[distant lagoon]

2 attempts on monday but neither succeeded apparently

[chrome scroll]

I think my biggest "ironic/funny" out of this whole situation is gkicking offline. The whole point of OF is content. What's better content than gkicking a huge streamer? Doing it offline minimizes fallout sure, but if (taking the "others are encouraging hate raiding" as truth) people are allowed to encourage negative/toxic behavior towards other streamers, than the fallout being big while online shouldn't be an issue. (Unless Thor was online in like, discord and asked it to not be done on stream/peak hours. Then it's a respect for his wishes type of thing. But idk on that side of stuff)

[candid grove]

It started from that but not about it anymore.
It's about: There was a discussion, one part was shouting, he left. Some people think he shouldn't have left and should have taken responsibility, others agree you can't talk while someone is shouting.
Hate started, he started banning people. Some people think he bans people who just disagree, others say haters need to be banned.
Then threats started, instigation started. He started calling out and reporting people who fuel the hate and make people attack him, breaking the TOS, others have the view that he is wrong, he is fueling it by him attacking others.

[royal oxide]

@opaque oar we need some help here.

[strange owl]

Thor dipping out was the second discussion, not the first

[tiny escarp]

Obviously not the hate part. That is totally unacceptable. The ego part of deflection of blame, minimization of responsibility, feigning moral superiority etc.

[deep portal]

imagine if everyone had ran like was called ...

[buoyant arrow]

2 Swat attempts were made. Thor has things in place to prevent them, being in contact with local polics. But yes. 2 Swattings attempted

[vagrant silo]

Guys guys, its just a matter of time before someone else fucks up and then they get all the hate. 🤣

[cedar tundra]

ok

[quasi rose]

i'm just too exhausted now...i'm gonna go sleep this off.

[forest glacier]

for being so far out of position, its called roaching when you leave your group in a situation like that. He didnt entirely leave but he ran to the exit and waited.

[quasi gate]

The fact the 2 people who died during that dungeon have come out and said Thor wasnt to blame for them dying, but people are refusing to see that and still blame Thor

[clear furnace]

There are mods looking here, no need to call more mods, just keep it civil they said

[hushed arch]

this is also true.

[formal kestrel]

yeah it got super overblown and just reached insane levels

[pearl ermine]

Why do y'all constantly bring up his supposed Ego? Does someone's sense of self worth really make y'all that insecure?

[late bane]

So basically cancel people when you don’t like their personality?

[wind pivot]

Thats insane behavior.
And the guild didn't think this has gone too far?...

[tiny escarp]

Guys, If someone goes 10/10 on the hate scale and are lunatics, that does not detract from arguments of the 3/10 hate scales

[vagrant silo]

1000%. Just wait for them to F up and then the people who shouted hate at thor with them will INSTANTLY turn on them

[pine isle]

See, I understand this.
From a guild management PoV, I think Soda made the choice that would benefit the longevity of the guild. By kicking Pirate, he threw a bone to those in the guild who hate Thor and also ensured that folks like Hubert who enjoyed playing with Thor don't suddenly lose the amount of content they can make for the guild.
From an integrity PoV it leaves a sour taste in my mouth, but when you're the director and producer of a modern-day soap opera it's preferable to do what's better for the show and not the actors.

[proper phoenix]

The bloodbath that would ensure if thor were to get kick online while he and many of OF streamer is streaming in front of hundreds of thousands of viewers is not worth any content

[tiny escarp]

I think that is part of why this blew up, yeah

[flat moat]

Nope, they cut off as soon as they got what they wanted

[lavish fern]

Before he had a chance to even know what he did, let alone anyone else, everyone was flaming him.

Do you really think he is going to give it peice of mind with so much people hating so quickly - over a video game??? Did he do it deliberately? Is this real life? No.

[buoyant arrow]

The guild isn't a monolith. I'm sure opinions vary. But some of them just wanted to farm the drama.

[charred wolf]

Have a good day, take care everyone.

[buoyant arrow]

You too!

[lavish fern]

Yes, the CC's were soaking up drama, it's sad to see but better to know your enemies than not tbh

[lunar knoll]

If you dislike the current situation, say with your wallet, or in this case your bandwidth. Don't watch OnlyFangs content

[candid grove]

It goes back to my point of Thor being a human. Agreeing or disagreeing with how he handled the situation is fine. People can dislike him, say he feigned superiority, sure, don't watch him, don't support him, it's that easy. But then it being blown into death threats, then he defends his stance and people still attack him and almost completely ignore the death threats is INSANE

[rapid stirrup]

no way he didn't know what he did from the moment he started blinking away

[untold seal]

Thor is getting more heat than that ex OF guildie who was harrasing a female streamer. Lmao. People are funny.

[tiny escarp]

This is not real life, no. It's just a vidya game . But people find it interesting due to the clash of personality and especially with the ego that pirate has

[vagrant silo]

All these guys have more viewers now than they ever had before lmao. Ofc theyre doubling down.

[ancient chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-enemies-thorfinn-vinland-saga-gif-5711191156787573185

[late bane]

Exactly, people don’t like him for one reason or another. And people want him to apologize for something that isn’t his fault.

[royal oxide]

Gods chat on friday is gonna be even more of a cesspool isnt it. Well I need to try and do anything else I am getting too angry at some of the comments here. See y'all later

[lavish fern]

He doesnt deserve it, have you not seen the positive stuff he does for people? And exactly, no dude

[hushed arch]

ye. we're working with mob mentality, where you're only sensationalized by the latest drama. once they see something else new and flashy, they'll wander away.

[tiny escarp]

Having lunatics on the 11/10 hate scale, which should be reported and banned, does not detract from the arguments that the 3/10 hate scale has

[golden mirage]

Thor doesn't have an ego, he just has self respect and isn't going to roll over and take someone's bs.

[wind pivot]

Like honestly? Maybe Thor getting kicked is a blessing in disguise... if these streamers won't ban together and condem this behavior from their viewers of these threats and such.... they ARENT his friends and he shouldn't be wasting time on them.

[proper phoenix]

everyone need to touch grass right this instant

The drama is over folk be civil

[quasi rose]

i already said it earlier . but i will be shocked if OF makes it to MC frankly i don't think they will.

[tender grove]

Just make sure the blame isnt miss placed. The people trying to make that point are often lumped in with a whole group a people most arent aware of

[lavish fern]

God forbid Thor ever send death threats to anyone. If I was him after providing so much support and resources to people in the darkest pocket of the world, and I got hate - I would be SUPER mad.

[rapid stirrup]

eeeeh.

[tiny escarp]

I have, but you have to be able to see the positive and negative aspects

[midnight horizon]

As someone who doesn't really watch twitch this whole thing is wild to me. watching the content farmers work is crazy

[ancient chasm]

Which wouldn't warrant such a dramatic discussion in the first place tbf

[rapid stirrup]

I've seen the EVE stories

[shrewd quiver]

get off my food

[late bane]

Since when is having an ego a crime? Why does that bother people so much

[proper phoenix]

[rotund oar]

Aren’t we all human?

[sand wind]

No - because it is nuanced.

There is no excusing the poor behaviors that were exuded by people in twitch and in-game, and may each of those individuals endure their requisite outcomes.
Kicking Thor - unfortunately, had nothing to do with mitigating the behavior. I agree that much of it is still going to exist, I'm not disagreeing there.
I do think some more grounded arbitration could have been nice and a better outcome, but given general perception and unfortunate lack of culpability the gkick doesn't feel out of place.
There are numerous other individuals that have had similar situations within the guild where it was handled differently and moved beyond; some of this does feel rather bandwagoned/unecessarily dogpiled FOR SURE.

[tiny escarp]

They wouldn't, if pirate just acted like a normal gamer and be part of the group

[vagrant silo]

😂 😂 @shrewd quiver