streamchat

[surreal fossil]

its not just the chats but the other onlyfang people like summit, zig, and ahmph's takes don't exactly pain him in a positive light so their communities go attacking. youd figure these streamers would stick together more.

[wind hare]

Being on the "other side" of an issue gets you more views. I can see why, not trying to excuse them but as to why they are doing it. They might not even really believe what they are saying.

[surreal fossil]

yeah reaction content is kinda like their way of positioning themselves on the issues just interesting when they do it to their own 'friends'

[wind hare]

Personally I wouldn't be friendly with them if they did that to me, but it's Thor's job. Try not to burn to many bridges.

[surreal fossil]

cause it sends droves of their followers attacking

[robust galleon]

Those kinds of takes are kinda scuffed and definitely not sustainable long term.

[formal kestrel]

they probably heard the side from people putting thor in a bad light and go into it looking for that so its just baised from the start

[surreal fossil]

grandstanding or whatever

[formal kestrel]

i dont think many can go in with just a completely objective view

[carmine wren]

I checked out ahmphs stream a little bit ago, and he outright stated it's for the content when asked to stop by one of the chatters

[ionic bronze]

the twitch is healing

[wind hare]

I hear Elon is a pro gamer and not involved. Maybe we can ask him 😛

[formal kestrel]

lmao

god dammit

for the content is one thing but theres a point where you have to know theres negative repercussions to what youre doing and saying surely

[carmine wren]

tbh I agree with thors view of chat, a lot of the people against him seem to have pretty toxic chatrooms

[formal kestrel]

but a good number of streamers arent exactly known for intelligence sooooo...

[grim notch]

the last hour or so it has been, i think earlier it was less so, but then his viewers spiked and he 100% leaned in, but I... didn't hate his take because he gave an actual example of him in a similar situation to support his take. but each situation is different

[formal kestrel]

[wind hare]

Then I guess when Yama needs a mage in his group he will be the first one to join.

[formal kestrel]

i feel like most people now are probably just coming from the reddit

[carmine wren]

probably

it's because of how redditors seem to be mostly memers that I usually just lurk instead of comment

[torn swift]

I think im getting weaker

I cant pre break this pizza 😦

[wind hare]

meme's are just tools, like the force. It's how you use it that counts.

[carmine wren]

pre break?

[torn swift]

Before I toss a frozen pizza in the oven

I break it into quarters

easier to serve

[carmine wren]

AH

well you got a hammer?

[torn swift]

just my head

[carmine wren]

put plastic wrap or foil over it

hit it with hammer

[brisk bloom]

Honestly big brain move breaking it before you cook it

[torn swift]

I already tried leverage

im just gonna have to suck itn up

and cut it

[carmine wren]

must be a thick pizza

only frozen pizzas I buy is the totino squares

[grim notch]

maybe, but i also wasn't a fan of yamato making as big a deal about the whole thing either, so I'm not looking at this as the whole world vs pirate

[carmine wren]

tbh I wanted to hear what yamato had to say, but during his 2 hour stream he did (I watched the vod) I was skipping around, and there's a point in it where he claims thor pulled the mobs, and I tuned out immediately

[formal kestrel]

he seemed genuinely upset about it, very emotional in the moment response

[carmine wren]

it's just drama stirring at this point

[formal kestrel]

idk how well he knew others in the party

[surreal fossil]

the first botched run thor pulled that group but they made it out safely that time

maybe he was referring to that

[carmine wren]

maybe

[gaunt lodge]

Its always gonna be the world vs one guy in of. No one is gonna risk their views to side with the "bad guy" taht might eventually get out of the guild even if it doesnt happen. Its like middle/high school all over again. Well there might be outliers but you get what i mean. The target is gonna change in like 2 days probably

[hoary blaze]

Yeah, he pulled that group, but he didn't have a choice, really. The guard was coming back around. The rest of the group needed to get up that ramp if that plan was going to work

[surreal fossil]

Just gotta be careful in there. That first run they got lucky but prob could avoided the top ramp but like you said its a gamble between trying to avoid the pat and not moving too far up that ramp. Devs know what theyre doing lol

[hoary blaze]

It was the same basic problem, though. I think the party could've handled two pulls, but once the boss got involved, you gotta ditch

[surreal fossil]

yeah ultimately the back and forth of the call doomed them cause people started making even more mistakes just compounded the issue

[hoary blaze]

But I mean, I also didn't put 100 or so hours into getting a toon to 60 in hardcore. I'd be panicking too

[surreal fossil]

its not to fault anyone really, obviously its a high pressure situation

[grim notch]

and i haven't seen anyone disagree with that, it's the being out of render distance of the rest of the entire party that I've seen people have an issue with. BUT, I haven't leveled a hardcore account either, so maybe my response would be the same.

i don't stream either, totally different mindset. it's a whole different world

[hoary blaze]

I would never level a hardcore account just because of stuff like that, though. Imagine if you were an MC raider and you just randomly mess up one mechanic and wipe a raid? Too much pressure for me.

[grim notch]

agreed, 100%

[sinful orbit]

he stopped and turned around 2 times

[robust galleon]

Mage is a tissue cannon class. Thor would have died too if he tried going back for the others.

[potent reef]

Geez is this hasn’t ended. PETTHEMODS

[hoary blaze]

Well, on the second pull, I think Thor was backing in to the direction he expected the group to go, because the boss was about to aggro. That's why he was so far away

[formal kestrel]

plus side they cant do it tomorrow cos he isnt streaming

[umbral pulsar]

clothies don't want to be in charge range

[hoary blaze]

Like, why deal with a pack on a ramp where you have no visibility when you can pull them back to a place you know is safe?

[grim notch]

that's the other part that makes this so difficult, i've seen arguments that a rank 1 nova wouldn't do enough to pull him aggro... but i don't know that I'd want to test that theory

[umbral pulsar]

no way the tank had threat on all the additional mobs they pulled on their way out

[hoary blaze]

They were melee, though. If no one else is around to take the hits and he novas, they hit the closest thing they can, which would prolly be the mage. That was Thor's whole argument

[potent reef]

As one who has lead many a raid and dungeon groups, when you call wipe you wipe. Not tank the boss for 5 years because you have the ability to, you wipe so that the group can go again. You also call wipe when it’s already lost, so the group can reset morale and go again.

Making the call to run away and then being mad that someone listened to you and saved their own butt, is the exact same as someone dying instantly or healers not healing when a wipe is called.

Run was called, Pirate ran, bros didn’t listen and thought it was doable to continue and only made it worse. Pirate lives, shitty Druid dies, healer sacrificed so others live too o7

[hoary blaze]

Tank lived, didn't they?

[formal kestrel]

the tank lived

[umbral pulsar]

yeah, a druid and the healer died

[formal kestrel]

the priest died to let them live

if theyd all jsut run when run was called theyd have likely lived

[hoary blaze]

Yeah, cause the rogue said it was salvagable instead of just aborting

[potent reef]

How the hell is this not open and shut case? People with their feelings and not thinking man

[wild lance]

i already asked about it in the stream chat but people just told me its wow classic, but there's 2 wow classic versions?!?! which one is thor playing

sorry i know nothing of wow

[hoary blaze]

The OG classic. I think there are a few classics from the old xpacs

[robust galleon]

Rogue is the only one still mad about what happened.

[hoary blaze]

I'm thinking about trying retail again

[wild lance]

you mean just classic? not cataclysm

[formal kestrel]

because someone got upset that thor kinda committed to running after being told run

[carmine wren]

he's doing classic hardcore for the original run before any expacs

[hoary blaze]

Correct, WoW Classic. Cataclysm was an xpac back in the day

[wild lance]

isee

ty

[hoary blaze]

np bud! Hope you have a good time if you try it

[dull citrus]

thor is playing on the hardcore anniversary realm

[robust galleon]

Hardcore classic I think is on the anniversary tab.

[wild lance]

ugh, so many options

[potent reef]

Why people upset that Thor ran when the call was made to run? Were people only going to be happy if the whole party dies?

[grim notch]

i do think that's accurate. The reason i've kind of been listening around is more about disagreement with the "there's nothing I could have done" statement. that's literally it.

[potent reef]

What if everyone died but Thor? Survivor guilt tripping?

[formal kestrel]

they seem to think he could have done way more than he did

[hoary blaze]

They think he had a chance to CC more before dipping, but the thing is everyone was screwed because of their positioning. If everyone started backing up where Thor was, they don't aggro the boss

[formal kestrel]

and want to backseat game about it

[carmine wren]

the honest reason for "anger" is after run was called and thor made the right choice to run, they turned back around and started up again and yamato was confused as to why thor kept running

[robust galleon]

That's the chatters take as far I know. The other players except for the rogue are fine with Thor.

[potent reef]

Yeah Yamato won’t admit that he second guessed his call to run and wants to throw Thor under the bus for two people dying because he said it could be saved after Thor already booked. What’s more concerning is Yamato isn’t upset about getting two people killed, he’s more upset that Thor bailed when he said bail

And just won’t let it go

[formal kestrel]

NGL i think the rogue just took major issue with how thor spoke to him after they were out cos hes not used to someone responding in that way

[carmine wren]

because yamato is farming for content off of rage

[potent reef]

He wants to hold everyone accountable for failures to offset the massive failure he made as a shot caller that got 2 people killed

[hoary blaze]

What really sucks is they lost a level 60 healing priest. iirc, those things are awful to level in classic

[potent reef]

Priest that can heal? Those aren’t real

[carmine wren]

yeah sacrificing the healer is the worst of it, losing a druid is eh, but a whole healer is just oof

[formal kestrel]

the rogue told the healer to heal the tank and healer died for it

[potent reef]

Asmongold called Yamato out for shitty shot calling and not admitting to it

[hoary blaze]

Probably grabbed aggro off the tank by healing, tbh

[carmine wren]

being a support player for many years, you always let the healer get out, you don't tell the healer to come back into a fight after told to back off

[formal kestrel]

probably but was also just put out of position for getting out because he turned to heal

[potent reef]

100% this when the only aggro is the Druid running past and pulling mobs and the next aggro event/closest person is doing heals

[robust galleon]

I think we should start wishing Shaye a happy birthday now.

[carmine wren]

for sure, I saw the healer enter melee and die literally a second later

[potent reef]

Asmon showed the frost bolt from the 3rd group went onto Snupy because that’s where it hit, meaning Snupy’s bear ass butt pulled the 3rd group when it was already gonna be ogre

[grim notch]

it could be, i've intentionally been trying to avoid reading chat no matter who i've been listening to

[robust galleon]

Ok, fair

[hoary blaze]

Shoot, this is making me want to try retail again, that was an interesting situation and absolutely terrifying in hardcore

[potent reef]

I love how Yamato called run, then said it was salvageable, then once the third group was aggro’d, was begging for Thor to come back and help

And probably didn’t even know the third group got pulled

[formal kestrel]

2 different people called run

[hoary blaze]

Tank and rogue, yeah

I mean, if the tank says run, I'm ditching

[formal kestrel]

like why are you turning around saying its salvageable after 2 people say run

[potent reef]

If the shot caller calls run, you run. If the tank, who’s not the shot caller says run, you really need to run

[carmine wren]

indeed

[cinder gale]

I just saw a first time chatter get permad in twitch chat for saying that Thor was a big inspiration for him and that he wants to get into game development, did i miss something or is someone a bit too twitchy on the hair trigger?

[carmine wren]

possible crossfire

[hoary blaze]

Probably got caught in a wave, unfortunately

[carmine wren]

the chat is moving very fast

[formal kestrel]

are probably some mishits happening

[potent reef]

Because if the tank says bail and he’s already not the shot caller, he knows he can’t 100% hold what’s in front of him and you are all gonna die

[formal kestrel]

theyll get it sorted

[potent reef]

Shot caller didn’t trust his tank when tank said bail, even after he himself said bail

[hoary blaze]

That's why I'm talking here, because chat is slower and people who've played MMOs can discuss it without there being any kind of argument

[carmine wren]

I enjoy hearing opinions that may differ from my own, because I may have a biased one

[hoary blaze]

I tend to think DPS, preferably ranged, should be the shot caller, but if the tank says run, you ditch, no matter who the shot caller is

[cinder gale]

I have a screenshot of the message for a mod with the username and everything if that would help get him unbanned

[grim notch]

one mod said just put in a unban request earlier and they're going to start processing, they know there's been a lot of collateral damage

[carmine wren]

they can see all your messages IIRC

[cinder gale]

Can i do that for someone else though?

[hoary blaze]

Ranged DPS tends to have the best view of everything that is happening

[torn swift]

Have them make an ingame appeal

I am someone that got nuked

it just takes time

[solar valley]

in hardcore anyway, my thinking is my own character safety above everything else.

[torn swift]

sorry in twitch appeal*

[potent reef]

Things in Thor’s favor -

Shot caller says bail
Tank says bail
This is hardcore classic wow
Thor is one of top 300/300 tailoring enchanting
Third group was pulled
Shot caller reneged his call to bail

Whose fault is the deaths? The bad tank and the shot caller.

What does the internet focus on? Thor’s mana

[cinder gale]

I don't even know the guy, just feel bad for him

[torn swift]

I get that

[carmine wren]

which is basically what tyler1 said

[torn swift]

but if we flood the ticket systems it makes it harder on the mods

and they are already being hammered by hate

[hoary blaze]

He had mana, but they called ditch and then tried to salvage instead of regrouping. It's not worth it when you can leave the dungeon, figure crap out, then go back in with a plan.

[torn swift]

So have the guy appeal on twitch

[warped venture]

Just mentioning here again if anyone gets hit in the crossfire, put in an unban request on twitch and we will process it when we can

[rotund vine]

[torn swift]

it takes time, I got banned at like lunch my time, and got unbanned five hours later theres a lot of vitriol to comb through

[rotund vine]

Wow drama today?

[torn swift]

more like twitch chat drama

[robust galleon]

Sadly

[hoary blaze]

a small amount

[grim notch]

question, do you interpret "salvage" as killing the boss, or getting everyone out alive? I feel like i've seen confusion on that too

[potent reef]

If Thor stayed and died, what would have the angry people in chat have said? They would have said, why didn’t you bail when they called bail you idiot?

And so when someone called bail and he actually did and people died, they wanna blame the guy who bailed when told to bail and not the shitty shot caller and tank who got people killed

[sand wyvern]

This is a situation where everyone made some mistakes and could have done better. But your character comes first.

[hoary blaze]

I think in that case salvage meant saving the run without exiting the dungeon. That's how I took it.

[rotund vine]

I asked why are chat going crazy in the stream, there're ppl dm me calling Thor this and that immediately

[potent reef]

Lose lose situation in the eyes of the internet

[hoary blaze]

In both runs, I think once the boss got involved, the situation couldn't be salvaged, so you ditch, since it's hardcore and the stakes are so much higher.

It's all being streamed by everyone so you can do a post mortem, regroup, and figure out what went wrong, then not do that again.

[potent reef]

You either are dumb for dying with the group when someone said bail

Or you’re dumb for listening to the call to bail and not standing your ground

You can’t have both things

[carmine wren]

knowing the internet, had thor died after attempting to save, the vitriol wouldn't exist, all of this is IMO stirred up by yamato, and fanned by the reddit

[torn swift]

The biggest issue for me, was that the healer died when they shouldnt have

should have stuck to the run plan

[potent reef]

Healer died trying to save others, honorable death

[hoary blaze]

Yeah, but they're heals and they're being called on for heals. Rock and a hard place

[potent reef]

Healer didn’t have to die, 100%

[sand wyvern]

The healer dying was unnecessary, and only because they reneged on the run call

[torn swift]

however

[grim notch]

yeah, healer definitely did not deserve it

[potent reef]

Only the Druid and shot caller reneged on the bail

[torn swift]

re-analyzing doesnt change the fact it happened, all we can do is support and be less degenarate than normal

[hoary blaze]

Oh, yeah, I'm saying if they stuck with the plan to ditch and didn't waffle on it

[robust galleon]

Just glad the healer said they're going again.

[grim notch]

which streamer is the healer

[rotund vine]

I know 0 about wow so I am not even gonna engage, but people are so invested in this it's just crazy

[hoary blaze]

I'll say this, tank didn't know the dungeon.

[torn swift]

I suspect its people angry that their favorite stweamer got unalived

[formal kestrel]

they said run, changed their mind on running and got punished for it and then one decided they wanted to blame thor

say they died its ok

[carmine wren]

i can point out ( and this is entirely from my perspective and holds no bearing on factual data), if you watch when yamato is running, he suddenly bites his arm during it. as someone who has suffered from anger management, when my temper would exceed what I could handle, I would bite myself or another object in order to relieve some of it

[formal kestrel]

might just be a stress reaction or something too, pointless speculating on reasoning for it

[rotund vine]

My advice is step away and chill

[torn swift]

Honestly, not knowing the mental state/well being

[carmine wren]

indeed

[torn swift]

no point in analyzing on our end

[carmine wren]

fair enough

[robust galleon]

Definitely no use trying to chatmd Yamoto

[formal kestrel]

people arent looking at it objectievly is the biggest issue and why this is happening, things got screwed up and they want someone to blame

[torn swift]

at the end of the day, it happened - it falls on us as the community to keep our kosher

[formal kestrel]

and this time for some reason they decided mages are gods and should be able to do everything so thors on the hook in their eyes

[carmine wren]

their point hinges entirely on frost nova, but the boss couldn't be CCd regardless, and the boss followed them a very far distance

[hollow isle]

my god twitch chat is gross today..

[slim axle]

Idk how someone can watch Thor and go “yeah that man is an egotistical jack ass” like are they even watching the same man im watching??

[formal kestrel]

yeah they have a weird obsession with frost nova somehow being able to have salvaged the entire situation

[torn swift]

Frost nova would have gotten thor killed, the moment they got rooted - they turn at the closest target and boop their snoot

[carmine wren]

indeed

[hollow isle]

salvageable is never the thing u want to hear in HC mode

[hoary blaze]

And the tank didn't have solid threat or heals would still be alive

[scarlet tide]

not just reddit one of the worst places on the internet has picked it up

[carmine wren]

I've played mage before and I got popped a lot on retail

[torn swift]

Same

[radiant robin]

It's just mob mentality, they'll move onto the next person that pops up on LivestreamFails

[torn swift]

its the reason I looked at Soda as seeing the mage getting soda killed in error

[gentle sierra]

I saw one person in chat try to compare Thor to Gandalf -

"Look at my mana, what do you want from me?" - Gandalf when encountering the Balrog in Moria.

Like there is any comparison there. Movie/Books vs game mechanics...hmmm....

[formal kestrel]

mage is the class thats killed the most too

[carmine wren]

i mean gandalf DID go melee when he himself could have kept running

[formal kestrel]

yeah im pretty sure theyre using it as a dig against thor

[carmine wren]

fair enough

[torn swift]

Don't forget, Gandalf also tried to nova the Balrog

and look what happened

[carmine wren]

but I often feel the movie where the bridge is super narrow, gandalf could have kept running and the balrog would have still fallen since the bridge was super unsturdy, I'm sure it's different in the book

[formal kestrel]

dwarf made different rules

[grim notch]

the internet makes things difficult. my brain keeps saying "yeah, theres a small percentage of people who are petty like that" and then i forget that places like reddit are where the entirety of that small percentage of people aggregate

[gentle sierra]

I think THEY'RE ego is damaged, and they react accordingly by saying it is HIS ego. Lol. When ego encounters someone with undeniable knowledge (Of the game in Thor's case) that contradicts what they believe, then this is how they react.

[carmine wren]

oh for sure it's EGO that's the problem

My ego used to get me into tons of trouble

[formal kestrel]

yeah just how people have been behaving is crazy, ive been ooking at the age of some of the accounts being banned and there are some that were like 2012/2013/2014 its crazy

theyre just sacrificing their super long time accounts for this

[potent reef]

It’s not even like Snupy or Sara’s communities are coming after Thor. Snupy’s not even mad, he knows he messed up.

[carmine wren]

I broke up with my girlfriend at 17 because I spilled my popcorn and she laughed, and it bruised my ego

[formal kestrel]

im hoping this is a joke but the sad thing is theres probably some that actually genuinely have done this XD

[carmine wren]

not a joke, 100% me being a dumb dumb. She and I are good friends now, and she has a great husband. I've grown a lot since 17

[formal kestrel]

oh

emotional development is not there at that age

[carmine wren]

especially not when you spend most of your time online

[slim axle]

I was a piece of work at 17 lol

[grim notch]

as much as i don't like having a regular full time job, it's probably healthier for me than being online all day

[carmine wren]

the way I always describe myself to new people I meet "When I was a teenager, you'd have hated me"

there are times where I 100% needed to be decked by someone because of the way I acted and how I spoke

but no one ever did

[formal kestrel]

i think a lot of people forget how much of an ass they were when younger

or like to pretend they werent

[tender dawn]

total-dipshit-as-a-teenager gang

[formal kestrel]

lol

[carmine wren]

for sure, I feel some people forget the negatives and remember the positives. I make a huge effort to remember all my wrongs so I can make better choices in the future

[wild lance]

starting wow classic now, can i change classes later on or is it permanent?

[waxen junco]

wdym classis like hunter/rogue? its perma

[wild lance]

ugh

but what if its my first time and idrk what im doing

[waxen junco]

then make a new char...?

[digital shadow]

Class is permanent per character

[wild lance]

didn't know you could do that

[waxen junco]

or dont play, its like meth

wont stop

[wild lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1280293601519341598.png?quality=lossless&name=LowQualitySob&size=48

[digital shadow]

You can have multiple characters but each is it's own class

[wild lance]

isee

ty

[potent reef]

Can we just say, thanks mods

PETTHEMODS

[hollow isle]

mods are REALLY earning that paycheque today

[merry portal]

The patience, man

Hope they are rotating at least

[potent reef]

Would love to see when the total is done of how many folks got bonked and reported to twitch

[rotund laurel]

I think Thor previously said they switch out every 4 hours?

[potent reef]

We could see a purge of 3k+ twitch accounts for folks being dumb, and won’t that make the platform a better place? Kappa

[waxen junco]

people are geting banned for saying a single word lol

i dont think they're that bad of people

[formal kestrel]

its the fact some of them are throwing 10+ year old accounts into the fire for this

[waxen junco]

just bandwagoning

i think assuming global twitch bans are happening is a stretch

[potent reef]

Cool you bandwagon’d, we don’t do that here go away, banned and reported

[torn swift]

at the end of the day though

they keep the cycle of anger rolling

[waxen junco]

no im just saying the bandwagoners are dumb but for a single word? saying they deserve a global twitch ban? a bit of a stretch

[formal kestrel]

hate breeds hate

[potent reef]

Hate raids are not fun

Wonder if Yamato told his community to hate raid

[torn swift]

bandwagoning after the event happened 10 hours later is really stupid

[carmine wren]

if it's done as part of a hate raid, it can 100% end in a global ban

[formal kestrel]

theyre taking part in the hate raid, yes they deserve the ban

[waxen junco]

lol

ok then

[formal kestrel]

i doubt he told them to but people will do it anyway cos got to defend my streamer

[potent reef]

Hate raid means they are just going into his channel, saying stuff to trigger, and get banned

And probably have never watched PirateSoftware

[merry portal]

Today was Pirate, tomorrow could be another streamer. It's just a sport for them

[carmine wren]

indeed

[waxen junco]

twitch wont perma ban for that though lol

people get 3 days for nudity smh

[warped venture]

They actually do for hate raids

[merry portal]

Oh, they do

[jolly sky]

People partaking in hate, either as a solo person or a part of raids deserve to be banned, simple as that really.

[potent reef]

Wonder how many folks are trying to hate raid FerretSoftware because of this, those folks are mega assholes for bringing the hate to the wiggles

[torn swift]

Also

[potent reef]

Those folks need especially banned

[torn swift]

actions do have consequences

[carmine wren]

streamers =/= chatters, it's the same thing as inciting violence, if in any way you tell your chatters to go after someone else, you and your chatters get a harsh punishment upto perma

[potent reef]

And some folks on the internet think otherwise, boy are they wrong

[waxen junco]

i still think thor is bringing way too much constant attn to this

10 hours later

[potent reef]

F around and find out

[torn swift]

I did eff around and found out

[waxen junco]

every 10-20 mins theres a bit of a reminder that happened just move on

[torn swift]

I joked about thor being the reason I missed my morning coffee Kappa

its more like every 10-20 seconds

[carmine wren]

Thor only responds to chats and TTS, people in the chat still talk about it, so he does too

[jolly sky]

Because members of the community who weren't around are asking about it. He's simply filling them in on the info.

[formal kestrel]

theres people coming in constantly about it and getting instant banned and people ask what happened

its hard not to talk about it still

[potent reef]

But at least Thor isn’t stroking Yamato’s ego and desire to make content

[waxen junco]

just gonna bait more brain damaged chatters to come out

[carmine wren]

maybe, but the alternative is ignoring chat, and thor won't

[waxen junco]

he should for now lol

[torn swift]

Careful on that, we got a warning earlier about talking about talking that way Mark

[jolly sky]

Just because you were around, it doesn't mean everyone else was. Thor likes to talk to his chatters, and give them information for things they ask about.

[waxen junco]

what way...?

[torn swift]

baiting people, brain damage etc. etc.

and forest [whom gave the warning] does check in here to ensure we arent rabid

[jolly sky]

And if it comes straight from the source, then all the better.

[hollow isle]

oh asmon still talking about it

[carmine wren]

which is a good thing, keeps people level headed tbh

[formal kestrel]

probably has people going to his chat about it that missed earlier

[torn swift]

Im not disagreeing

[carmine wren]

i know

[torn swift]

Just gotta keep us on the straight and Narrow

[carmine wren]

just adding onto it

[torn swift]

Trust me, I goblin'd my way onto the ban wagon lol

[carmine wren]

I only ever chat to announce my streak

[vagrant sandal]

whats goin on yall, another walk in with pizza to the house on fire moment?

[carmine wren]

had almost 200 before the power outage

[carmine wren]

pretty much

but mods are putting out the flames pretty fast

[vagrant sandal]

<3 good job mods

[torn swift]

Unfortunately

there has been friendly fire, but overall they are doing a great job

it sucks that we need to behave this way

[vagrant sandal]

just joined stream, seems like everything calmed down

[carmine wren]

yeah it's starting to cool down

[torn swift]

aaaaand someone renewed the curse

[merry portal]

People still kamikazing, less than before, but it's there

[vagrant sandal]

nope .3.

what curse theres no curse lets just keep the chill KEEP THE CHI-

[waxen junco]

wow racist much?

🗾

[merry portal]

What?

[waxen junco]

shouldn't say kamikazing

[merry portal]

Huh?

[waxen junco]

its a japanese suicide thing

from ww2, pretty racist to say

[vagrant sandal]

guess i did jinx it, huh.

[waxen junco]

dont use words from history that you don't understand mate

[torn swift]

Told you lol

[hoary blaze]

Contextually, they used the word correctly.

[vagrant sandal]

noooo...

[merry portal]

Baffled tbh

[vagrant sandal]

i just wanted to do my weekly pop out of my den and check on whats going on in the discord

[torn swift]

dont worry just blame me

[carmine wren]

new dire maul raid starting

[vagrant sandal]

this is still the hardcore wow right?

[waxen junco]

contextually, any slur/word can be used "correctly" but thats irrelevant

[carmine wren]

ye

[carmine wren]

are you claiming kamikaze is a slur?

[waxen junco]

pretty close

[vagrant sandal]

man, i couldn't do stuff like hardcore
getting all that way just to mess up (as i will likely do) and lose all my progress

[waxen junco]

just be more sensitive thats all 🙂

[hexed badge]

apparently the reddit post is on the front page now, which explains a lot of the traffic i guess

[waxen junco]

wow

[reef geyser]

It's a pretty widely used cultural slogan that isn't inherently tied to racism any more than how people use seppuku

[torn swift]

knowing your limits is important

[waxen junco]

#68 on /r/all rn pretty high

[vagrant sandal]

chat i only have 3 papers left til i'm a qualified librarian (pulling random things outta my ass to defuse chat)

[reef geyser]

Yeah LSF be like that sometimes

[torn swift]

I just want you to know, I am the reason books never get returned on time

[reef geyser]

Like papers before graduation? Or is there some librarian ceremony?

[vagrant sandal]

i'm doing an online course and theres assignments you gotta do, usually writing a research paper or summin

i got 3 left and the course finishes on the 9th

[torn swift]

in all seriosness

becoming a librian here in my city is no joke

good job

[vagrant sandal]

lol, i live in a tiny country in the middle of the ocean

[reef geyser]

Nauru!

[torn swift]

Austrailia?

[reef geyser]

Tonga! Tuvalu! Palau!

[vagrant sandal]

the smaller one underneath it, often left off maps

[reef geyser]

NZ

[vagrant sandal]

its so funny

[reef geyser]

Aww, so big tho

[torn swift]

Never heard of em

[merry portal]

The librarian you are talking about is the same one I'm thinking? The one organizing books, sorting and handing them out? Or there is more to that? Genuine question

[carmine wren]

New Zealand

[torn swift]

in all seriousness, a comic artist I follow is from NZ he writes the swords comics

[vagrant sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[carmine wren]

makes you wonder what happened to old zealand

[vagrant sandal]

on a basic level, yes

[reef geyser]

Catalogueing and archiving and sometimes raising mummies

[vagrant sandal]

we dont talk about old zealand....

[torn swift]

You know

I am trolling the heck out of Jeyfae here, and its a small wonder I got unbanned

[merry portal]

Well, today I learned

[torn swift]

I belong in the corner

lol

[carmine wren]

nah there's being mean and there's ribbing

it's like trying to land a ligma vs walking into chat and shouting slurs, both are trolling, but one is clearly worse

[reef geyser]

My brother makes a mean rib in the smoker 🤔

[vagrant sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/webfishing-webfishing-game-fnaf-foxy-fnaf-foxy-gif-15507536525391727374

ok well back to aforementioned papers

[torn swift]

Oh I know, but the fact I got blasted by friendly fire makes me think even more I cant blame the mods

lol

[carmine wren]

fair enough

[merry portal]

gl&hf

[zealous frost]

I know there's a mod on here lurking...
Can they please check if this person actually put in a Ticket, because this seems important (I don't have any details of it or i would)
https://old.reddit.com/r/PirateSoftware/comments/1i008n5/excuse_me_what/

[warped venture]

Will pass along

[zealous frost]

thank you. I asked them to put in a ticket, but it's not a little thing so I wanted to follow up, thank you! ❤️

[torn swift]

@warped venture sorry for the ping, but does reporting channels as a chatter help get those idiots banned [asking about the ASCII art characters in twitch right now]

[warped venture]

Yep you can report them

[torn swift]

will do

that shit aint ok

[red vessel]

didnt expect him to still be going, i know he said he'd go late but its like 6 now for him

[ember thistle]

has anyone seen livestream fails about pirate

people are saying that he did not code at blizard

[olive arrow]

Genuine question, does anyone know if there's a specific subreddit these trolls are coming from?

[ember thistle]

Live Steam fails

[merry portal]

Being on r/all its hard to tell

[ember thistle]

it is live stream fails people are ussally coming form

Mostly children which is weird

or bots

[olive arrow]

Gotcha. Thank you both. Just trying to understand (which I know is probably a lost cause) what their problem is and why they keep sending harassment in the stream chat.

I dun get it

[ember thistle]

they should ban all roach emotes

[merry portal]

It's a sport, like the old 4chan raids

Hate for the sake of hate

[ember thistle]

yep

this is different

not from 4chan but kids who learn to just hate

[red vessel]

tryna cancle a man for a call he didnt make

[nova spindle]

I decided to make the mistake to open reddit once, right now. and It's top post on "Popular" for me. Which is crazy.

[ember thistle]

the main tank said it was his fault

[nova spindle]

but that doesnt generate clicks or internet points. No drama like this generates fake internet points that they crave so much.

[ember thistle]

they crave for attention which they did not recieve as a kid

[reef geyser]

It's an unfortunate aspect of the human species, and a relic of tribalism. People will hold a whole set of morals, and an idea of right/wrong, and things one shouldn't do, but it all goes out the window when they feel rightously endowed and justified against something.

They have their opinion on the situation, and use their conclusion to self-allow all the normally reprehensible behaviors because they have become convinced that it's justified when they're "correct".

[pure jasper]

are the bots individuals or auto programs?

[ember thistle]

auto

or just a person

they will send thosands of bots but we wont see them

since twitch does things

i dont remember

[gentle sierra]

I don't even understand comments like these that are coming from r/LivestreamFail. They are saying this with regards to Thor. He runs a Ferret Rescue, he brings to light things like Folding @ Home that are an objective good for the world, etc etc. I'm actually somewhat new to the channel so I imagine there is much more...but I just don't get comments like these. Guessing they don't actually watch him 🤷‍♂️

[red vessel]

in defense of the tank, he accepted it, felt bad and didnt try to start anything iirc, doesnt need the call out for it

[ember thistle]

they are trolls or kids from asmongold

or just kids

[nova spindle]

I wouldnt even take asmongold, as he legit defended thor in his stream earlier today.

[reef geyser]

People are trying to claim he's actually a bad person, like PoS and such. You can TELL they know zero about him when they try to say stuff like that. Anyone who knows anything about him or knows the stuff he's involved in knows how insanely wrong that kind of statement is.

Dude has had meteoric success and turned it into nothing but good for multiple causes. People claiming he's bad, and over something like a video game, is just peak ignorance.

[ember thistle]

this will die down in a matter of days

nothing huge but people will be people

[reef geyser]

It'll become a meme in time. I'm reminded of the Empyrian water situation from a while back on one of the PoE league launches.

[nova spindle]

Exactly, the internet will forget it in a few days, when the next drama happens.

[formal kestrel]

some people just love to hate, nothing more to it

internet will forget in 2 days

[red vessel]

worst i've had from him is he's had some odd takes on things i dont agree with but those are few and far between

[ember thistle]

or the new minecraft Drama

people are talking about

with Tommyinnit and Dream

[nova spindle]

Like how Annie was getting blamed for the past days of getting someone kicked from the guild. This happens, and now no-one talks about Annie.
Give it a few days, something else happens and kids move on onto hating something else.

[merry portal]

I don't even want to ask, my drama quota is filled for the next 4 years

[ember thistle]

my drama quota was filled from the mr beast drama

[reef geyser]

And not even a joke really, it's an evolved trait that served humans back when that sort of reactive vitriol actually helped groups survive against other groups. It's just a leftover element that we've moved past the need for in the time of civilization, and unfortunately still impacts so much of human behavior.

[ember thistle]

nearly 4k bans lol

twitch will probally perma bans those accounts

[reef geyser]

They underestimate the resolve of a professional moderator team

[ember thistle]

probally with some automation

[nova spindle]

They just think itll end up being a channel ban, but some of the comments i saw flying past. Id wouldnt be surprised some of them end up getting permad indeed.

[olive arrow]

Currently reading that top post on r/livestreamfail, and while I get they're upset, it's a game. That's it. Nothing but time was lost and others have already taken responsibility for the toon deaths.

And there's nothing that justifies the harassment that has been ongoing since this morning. Absolutely nothing.

[ember thistle]

I have existed on the internet for too long and this is just a video game it will not ruin your life

or end the world

[torn swift]

Mods one last time, TY for all you do

i know it aint easy

[ember thistle]

The Mods are GigaChads

[nova spindle]

But, I must say Lets give major credit where credit is due.
All the mods were major Champions today. Without them today would have been much worse.

[ember thistle]

now the mods have to moderate offline chat and ferrets chat

[merry portal]

Yeah, hopefully they can go to rest soon, I imagine there is still work to do. But good work

[reef geyser]

Yeah people forget that there are limits. Like there could be a situation that was 0% Thor's fault, or one that was 100%, but the scale of how negatively you can think of someone due to a situation is limited by the fact that it's still just a game.

[olive arrow]

Just blows my mind how much energy they're wasting over this.

[nova spindle]

Thats even weirder, Becuase if they took just 15 minutes to look at all angles and hear from more than just a video thats a few seconds long. And a few reddit comments. They would not be able to justify any comment.

[reef geyser]

And one of the things I like about Thor is how I don't always agree with his takes, or even certain ways he handles things sometimes. But that's a positive, because it's important whenever you follow a prominent figure to make sure you're keeping your own objectivity, so it reinforces my resolve in the situations where I DO agree with him when I know it's not just my subconscious biasing me, since there are things I definitely don't align with him on.

[waxen junco]

is there like a sticky or something for the overall correct take?

so we dont have people asking

[jolly sky]

What a day huh

1. I'm 99% sure it isn't "All OnlyFangs streamers"

2. The "Warmaster" Tyler1 even agreed with what Thor did.

3. The streamers do not control their audience.

[astral crypt]

DO NOT shit talk Only Fangs or the other streamers. Thor didn't do it and none of us are either.

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/constantine-keanu-reeves-lucifer-devil-gif-25869346

[hexed badge]

Also this is the content machine, this is what happens and what they do. there's a death, there's drama, they ALL milk it for content

[merry portal]

Really liked that part of the movie

[jolly sky]

Honestly the whole movie was a banger. Even it was wasn't true to the comics, I really loved what they did with the adaptation

[olive arrow]

Is that the same guy that VW had in their commericials a while ago?

"Time to un-pimp ze auto..."

[jolly sky]

I haven't a clue lmao

[nova spindle]

Anyways, I time to watch the January Sumo Basho. And wind down a little bit. I hope y'all have a very pleasant remainder of your day/night

[jolly sky]

All I know is that he is the best representation of The Devil I've seen in a movie

[hexed badge]

oh that's constantine, i knew i recognized it

[jolly sky]

(Maybe except Tim Curry in Legend)

https://tenor.com/view/legend-1985-tim-curry-darkness-lord-of-darkness-gif-20721969

[hexed badge]

tilda swinton was amazing in constantine

[jolly sky]

I think every choice of actor in Constantine was damn near perfect

[merry portal]

The second part is real? Or a meme at this point?

[hexed badge]

Tim Curry in Legend was hot in a way i was not able to process at that age. It made me feel funny and i felt strangely guilty about it

[jolly sky]

I love the person who played Midnite

[merry portal]

I'm afraid I will not like it

[jolly sky]

I haven't a clue personally. I've heard things here and there, but I'm not going to get excited for it, as expectations that are too high lead to disappointment

[hexed badge]

oh yeah that was a perfect casting

[reef geyser]

Peter Stormare. He kills every role it's nuts.

[merry portal]

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of

[jolly sky]

Then my recommendation is to not get hyped about it. Keep an emotional distance to it

[sacred junco]

Captain, it's only Monday

[blissful imp]

LSF is still going lol. just went to reddit to scroll and saw another post where someone clipped thor out of context.

[reef geyser]

Yeah stuff like this always enflames the "I always knew" crowd. No matter who it is, there's aaaaalllways a subgroup of people who hate them, and loooove to come out of the woodwork when it looks like there is a bunch of people "finally seeing the truth" and say "I knew the whole time" as if they are some nostradamus of hatred who criticises others for not "hating soon enough".

It could be Keanu Reeves and if there was the slightest controversy, you can bet that there'd be someone out there pulling an "I told you so"

[still quiver]

Goblins man, literal goblins.

[jolly sky]

Nah that'd be an offense to Goblins

[still quiver]

I actually stopped going to LSF because it's nothing but WoW drama lately. Not a big fan of where the sub is at.

Been that way for like 2 months lol

[outer gust]

Let's move away from the LSF discussion.

[blissful imp]

yea its redditors. way worse

[torn swift]

Mods TY for the work yall do I just checked the amount of reports I made during the last little bit

[waxen junco]

EVERY SINGLE post on LSF is about this lmaooo

[stone nacelle]

lame

i had to tune out, just not entertaining

[trail crater]

72 hours and most of the haterade should be dried up. It’s mostly 12 year olds with tiktok attention spans looking to start trouble anyway so it’s not even worth the acknowledgment

[fast coyote]

Lol wtf even happened today

[stone nacelle]

nothing

dead day, reroll for tomorrow

[fast coyote]

Some Livestreamfail cajinks or something

[stone nacelle]

yeah there's an ixnay on the lsfay going on

aint worth it

[torn swift]

You mean reroll for Tuesday no stream tomorrow

[stone nacelle]

alright

[rose badge]

yearh shaye bday

[acoustic crystal]

Oh yeah Shaye birthday

[blissful imp]

Reddit happened. that's what.

[acoustic crystal]

?

Is this about that group collapse with that Boss that can't be CC'd

Or some other thing?

[dry osprey]

I think best thing is rewatching the vod

[azure glen]

That and they're adding every other opportunity to make it worse. Classic reddit.

[dry osprey]

Drama brings out the worst of people

[acoustic crystal]

I see...

I'm rewatching the vods

It do be messy

[dry osprey]

Oh bet im rewatching some aswell since it happen when i was raiding in sod

[acoustic crystal]

I'm at that bit people keep insisting on Frost Nova when the Boss cannot be CC'd

I'm kinda??? Why they keep insisting on Mana pots when CCs don't work anyways

And I don't even play lmao that explanation was pretty clear

[azure glen]

Asmongold has a good breakdown of the fight.

[dry osprey]

True but its over but some cannot stop talking about it

[acoustic crystal]

ye

[zealous bridge]

Yeah I thought he had the best take on this

[dense quest]

does sara stream? wanna watch pov of sara, saw snupy's already

[flint marten]

twitch.tv/infestors is their channel. not sure if they have a vod or clip of it though

[sonic jungle]

@Felix regarding the ticket I made, I followed the sites community links to their stated Discord server and reached out to the admins there, but they stated that their discord "War Wiki"(?) had differentiated from the original site about a year ago. I'm a bit stuck at this point, but I did try to follow your instructions.

[royal oxide]

Mods I hope you can all rest today. You worked so hard yesterday. Thank you so much for all that you did to keep the place safe from the hate barrage

[charred jackal]

i am just a retail-andy with little to none experience in classic endgame .. but usually when someone calls for run, you run .. thats it. I've seen probably all the vods and the stop after the ramp is what caused 2 deaths .. not a missing spell or potion. If they kept running i think noone would have died. The Priest was already safe and went back in.

Also what Niko said! I hope everyone can rest a bit today! That shit was crazy in chat.

[acoustic crystal]

Oh just finished watching Asmongold's vid talking about this, it's quite good
The other dude keeps running in loops even after all that explanation is kinda sad to watch

[night turret]

how good is everyone in that party at classic wow? honest question

if people are beginners, then they are suppose to play like beginners

expecting perfect play is unrealistic, getting flame for it is silly

[charred jackal]

true

[night turret]

you're not evil for not knowing how to do something

[charred jackal]

i guess nobody is a beginner in that group though, but if someone calls to run, you run .. second guessing (which was the term used in many reactions/povs) was what killed 2 people here

stick to the call and go

[night turret]

apparently snupy is a good retail pvper? if so then him getting flame for having 0 awareness and asspulling 2 packs, 1 of which killed the priest on the run out, is completely justified and he deserved the death

[strange flume]

Man LSF is so toxic, why are all those threads allowed when it's all just personal attacks?

It's not even about the clip or game at this point.

It's disgusting, never visiting there again

[charred jackal]

haha Twitter is the same atm 😄

[blissful imp]

yea just look in the replies from thors latest tweet.

they're mostly at the bottom

[strange flume]

Quit twitter few months ago, Elon has gone too far.

[charred jackal]

Mistakes happen. Even if you are "good" at a game. I believe Naowh died too not too long ago and he is a multiple MDI-Champion?
It just happens

[blissful imp]

Also. Asmons comment section in his video is more sane and understands the situation better than lsf

[night turret]

yeah and i think he admitted as much, immediately went again right?

[umbral nest]

Elon is my fav poe 2 player

[blissful imp]

yep. he did a final run before getting off

it went successful

[wintry pond]

dummy distracted the 1st 2 pulls, at that time only the cc immune boss was left. Thor is playing frost game, he dosent do dmg, he is for supp. He was not needed at that point. The deaths were caused by the 3rd pull. How was he supposed to have predicted that they pulled another pack when they didnt need to

[charred jackal]

and he waited in the entrance and was ready to cast one more blizzard to help. But when the 3rd Pull happend nothing was able to safe that^^

[wintry pond]

the 3rd pull should not have happened in the 1st place

they were pathing wrong during the escape

when the shot caller says run, you escape no matter what

in the middle of it they changed their mind and tought they could have taken it, you cant do that

if you call run, then even if you can turn it around it dosent matter, you run and reset

[strange flume]

If you didn't go in the dungeon with some clear rules as a group on escape plans ect then no one should be upset if things don't go the way you think they should
Simple

[tiny nexus]

I'm glad the mods get a day off.
That ban-finger must be hurting 😅

[forest glacier]

I really hate that this is the way THEIR history books will read. At least those who know will know and those who are truly curious will find out. In the end the community will be better overall.

[fossil sapphire]

what does this even mean. even in context.

[wintry pond]

everyone should have survived if it was only the 2 pulls and the boss

[strange flume]

This will be forgotten in a few days

[charred jackal]

the most disgusting thing that happend yesterday was the wave of hate. Beginning from messages, to even go to other streamers asking for how much subs it would cost to let someone die .. that is the disgusting part on that whole story ..

[summer night]

i means they are mad because their streamer is mad and dont understand the game, but us who have played and understand know what happened happened

[forest glacier]

I would hope so but I got a bad feeling about it.

[wintry pond]

its fine, we can weed out the stupid angry part and the community will come out better

[strange flume]

I'm also very annoyed at my self for valuing LSF at all worthy of attention.

[opal star]

It's gonna be like AOC hate and SKG sheningans ngl, always popping out of nowhere....

With the same type of personal attacks

[vapid barn]

https://tenor.com/view/hockey-only-game-bryzgalov-anahe-gif-8306971

[blissful crescent]

I felt bad seeing all that negativity and over the top reactions as it was not his fault. And everyone who needed to deal with that. I wish there would be a way to counter all that hate if you just talk about it but for many its not about logic but feeling. So I try just to remind myself how important it is to share kindness online.

[buoyant arrow]

It's the kind of fire best put out by staying away from it and letting it burn out on its own

[opal star]

Hence why goblins are best community so far, no drama no bullshit jus pure goblins

[fossil sapphire]

best community is the one that keeps their streamer honest.

[opal star]

And goblins are all Curated By Thor

[blissful crescent]

Yeah and acknowledge the firefighters ! In this case mods.

I almost wrote firefires....

[night turret]

it's okay to be a beginner at the game, it's practically the whole point of this guild, no?

[opal star]

Mods are doing unpraised work, pet the mods

[buoyant arrow]

Well, the point of the guild is content and doing it hardcore without community support. But content and even guild drama can happen without this scale of vitriol

[night turret]

there's valid critism and there's unhealthy flame/personal attacks

you're not evil for not knowing how to do something

shouldn't get flamed for being a beginner

and making mistakes

[opal star]

People jus can't dissociate between in game and real life. Then they start pulling the personal attacks too ...

[strange flume]

Even if your not a beginner, everyone makes mistakes. It really was mistakes all round but all that doesn't matter anymore, the flame a. Toxicity has gone too far.

[buoyant arrow]

The only real fault I personally can find is people that persist on their initial emotional response to a panicked situation. Thor did the right thing stepping away and just not engaging in the argument. There was nothing to be gained this close to it.

[opal star]

In the end it's jus finger pointing game, blame one person and shirk all responsibility...

[umbral nest]

No responsibility is the issue. Who cares if he made a mistake

[blissful crescent]

Yeah nothing is perfect and everyone make mistakes and every action has a different perspective. But don't try to feel emotional better by putting someone down that's not accountability. Instead uplift people and tell them they did good.

[fossil sapphire]

he sure did not die in that dungeon. good!

[blissful crescent]

And he did very good and informed in an un optimal situation! I would panic and apologize and invent errors i made and sob.

[fossil sapphire]

apology would go a long way. always

[blissful crescent]

And that would not help everyone. Same with blaming ppl.

[strange flume]

Responsibility for what?

[umbral nest]

Not helping whatsoever? Wdym 🤣

[tidal bramble]

Ah we still going on about the bad pull?

[buoyant arrow]

You haven't actually watched what happened huh

[umbral nest]

I definitely wasn’t watching the stream

You’re right

[buoyant arrow]

Yeah, he did try to cast spells to help, to slow the mobs, but the boss was immune to all slow or stun effects, so if he inadvertendly had pulled aggro? That boss was a pure physical powerhosue and he's a cloth armor wearer, aggro in that cases would've meant death, so he cast his blizzards and spent the rest of his few rescources on getting out

[strange flume]

Why do you care if he shows responsibility/accountinbility or not

Seems kinda weird

[blissful crescent]

I feel apologies is a perspective thing. Some learned it to say Sorry if they did something wrong some learned I can say it to say I feel bad you feeling bad. But no one is owned one. And I feel over apologizing is meaningless and the same as forcing someone to apologize. So I am unsure if its always.

[fossil sapphire]

one would hope their streamer is a good person, i hope. my comment is not linked to the context.

[tidal bramble]

From what I saw last night it started going from "Thor did bad in the dungeon" to then "Thor doesn't show any remorse". Moving the goalposts.

Thor has nothing to apologise for. There was a bad pull. The call to run was made, he ran, did use blizzard to try and slow some mobs,the boss could not be cced, the call to try healing resulted in a second death.

Yamato and his crowd are just being rather horrible, meanwhile Snupy, who did the bad pull and died, and Sara, who died, have been nothing but lovely.

[strange flume]

It is, so your comment is silly..

[opal star]

League streamer... Says alot ngl...

Scatter

[fossil sapphire]

lol

[strange flume]

Agreed

[buoyant arrow]

Let's not turn around and be shitty about someone else, doesn't help.

[tidal bramble]

I'd say don't generalise, but unfortunately the reputation of league being horrible is earned....

[blissful crescent]

I feel written things are easy to misunderstand and argue endlessly over.

[tidal bramble]

Well it does miss the context of tone, which can lead to misunderstanding.

[opal star]

Anyways did the goblins wish shaye happy birthday yet

[strange flume]

Forsen isnt too bad??... Idk

[summer night]

i mean i saw lugwig throwing a cat tree playing league

[blissful crescent]

Yeah and I think ppl start to try to put fires out where its out of context. And some ppl are just intended to write without listening?

[misty bane]

I have had the misfortune of seeing people accusing him of some insane things. Things like, he is a narcissist, a habitual liar, ect. I have also seen people throw wild accusation by starting their paragraph with, "So, i have never played Wow..-". I feel like I am seeing this kinda of mass insanity happen to a lot of creators, big and small, much more frequently and I feel like I am going crazy.

[blissful crescent]

I wonder if it would work just instead of engaing in arguing to a bit provocative way of phrasing if niceness helps instead of debunk or explain or if it would just make someone mad. And I wonder how rather to stop negativity. As for that I dont have a clue.

[tidal bramble]

It's unfortunately become more common over the past few years. All I can advise is look for yourself, watch the videos etc, and just....make up your own mind. And don't go being hateful and hurling abuse.

[fossil sapphire]

always look into it, and make your own mind.

[summer night]

too be honest it will blow over, most of it is rage bait.

[tidal bramble]

There are times when niceness stops being an option really, and you have to show the fact of the matter. Now you can do it without being a dick of course, but reality doesn't care about feelings or belief. Facts are facts. But they can of course be presented in a nicer way.

[tidal bramble]

The internet has a 72hour health bar.

[misty bane]

I was there at the stream when this went down and I thought that it would die down in like 10 minutes. Then it kept going and mor epeople poured into the stream just to get banned. There is another creator I follow who is dealing with much more serious real life allegations that are all lies, which he has proof of and yet it doesn't seem to help at all. It is exhausting and I really do not have a personal horse in this race.

[rocky venture]

"5 minutes on fame" on the internet.

[summer night]

aye but the more thats spoken about it means that the timer resets

[cobalt umbra]

im hoping it has a less of a hp bar this time. i dont like it...

[tidal bramble]

Was there too, and boy oh boy did it go huge.....

[blissful crescent]

Yeah but it wont help if the person wont listen even if facts are facts? So engaging otherwise with nicenes or no reaktion would help but ppl still react.

[rocky venture]

Totally agreed. Boogeyman is there if people know, remember and talk about the boogeyman.

[dry osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/987123333659250688/1248819687257800715/DUMPYThor.gif

[misty bane]

Reddit, my the lord forgive me for uttering its name, is basically going on a witch hunt for thor now.

[dry osprey]

Take this goblins

[tidal bramble]

I don't think I'd agree. If a person wont engage in good faith and listen to the facts, I'd say tell them to go away, forget niceness, just try not to engage.

[tidal bramble]

Typical......

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-the-simpsons-homer-crazy-homer-running-gif-17672667172083043840

[misty bane]

All this just a few short days after Annie's misfortune as well.

[tidal bramble]

Annie DEFINTELY didn't deserve any of that.

[summer night]

ahh yes reddit where people go to act smart

[tidal bramble]

She is such a sweet lovely human.

[dry osprey]

Good that i stay faaaaar away from reddit

[sharp mantle]

I just wish people would realise goading or trying to enrage someone into apologizing is not a great way to achieve this.

Some people need time to process things when things go wrong and realise a mistake (i have done this quite a bit myself)

If people would have behaved more maturily about this instead of just jumping in to rage bait, the outcome may have been different, maybe I'm too hopeful in people being decent with this?

[dry osprey]

Im suprised nothing is on x

[tidal bramble]

Reddit has it's uses. The sysadmin section is handy enough for keeping up to date out outages etc.

[summer night]

it is

[dry osprey]

beeep

[blissful crescent]

This is definitely distracting. From a not great topic to a cursed image that is also uncomfortable. But still nicer feeling than helpless against negativity. But the cursed image feels more productive as it for fills its purpose of distracting. Now I need to add something else in my mind that dispells the curse.

[summer night]

bluesky seems safe tho

[dry osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/987123333659250688/1296232739326005268/whydidimakethis.gif

Here is more

[rocky venture]

Nah, you ain't too hopeful. It just is the way. Couple bad eggs, maybe some bots etc will try and keep the "rage content" just for the shits and giggles.

It is, it has been and I guess will always be. But curating the experience and not giving air to nonsense drama is what we can do.

[tidal bramble]

Which comes back to how Thor DOES curate his streams and community members.

Which I feel works well for him and this community.

So praise the mods, for all that shite they had to deal with.

[summer night]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-clapping-applause-praise-gif-16442370

[dry osprey]

I was watching t1 vod earlier and yama almost died because he went to fast at an ogre in dmt

[prisma siren]

Curation is good but you gotta be careful about echo chambers too

[tidal bramble]

A balance is always best.

[prisma siren]

i don’t think thor really makes a balance

[summer night]

hey @brittle rune you doing okay?

[tidal bramble]

But I would hardly call the bannings yesterday of making an echo chamber, more like clearing out rubbish.

[prisma siren]

maybe idk

[brittle rune]

Doing ok!

[dry osprey]

[sharp mantle]

This is true, you can't completely suppress yourself from the outside world, but when it is overwhelmingnly negative and doesn't add anything of value, might as well shut it out

[brittle rune]

Altho you guys seem to be going in circles a little bit here

[tidal bramble]

Round and round and round we go....

[summer night]

i mean its us what do you expect

[brittle rune]

But as long as people keep things respectful we good

[dry osprey]

72 hours brain ham

[sharp mantle]

Just got a break at work to see what is up, think I am done for now, need to get back to it

[rocky venture]

Circles? Circles.

[forest glacier]

Thor DOES have a reddit that needs moderating... and here... and people are posting mana emotes in offline chat... The work never stops, but the mods individually take shifts so they rest up, but this has got to be some of the least fun parts of the job.

[tidal bramble]

And if we don't, well sorry for making more work for the mods.

[rocky venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348405350912753665/1244186966220734524/bigger.gif

[sharp mantle]

All these squares make a circle

[tidal bramble]

I used to be a GM for Blizzard, and have worked as a moderator in other online communities, and I can empathise and sympathise with what you've been dealing with recently as mods @brittle rune

[blissful crescent]

Is there something that is distracting but where you go cute? As his face seems a bit distraught like drowning countering the cuteness of the ferret.

[rocky venture]

Round and round.

[prisma siren]

i’m honestly a little concerned for thor i feel like a lot of this growth is getting up in his head a little bit but I obviously don’t know the guy personally so that’s just my observation, i just hope he takes time to self reflect and make sure he can deal with all this stuff healthily

[dry osprey]

Darn i tried.

[blissful crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/marder-ferret-cute-spin-wiesel-gif-18385357

[tidal bramble]

I tried Cherry Bakewell Jaffa Cakes....they are odd.

[dry osprey]

Only orange ones

[blissful crescent]

@dry osprey I hope this is cuteness.

[tiny nexus]

True, I was hoping that they would get a bit of rest from the stream moderation at least.
But I suppose offline chat is a thing

[blissful crescent]

I saw a cute gif about washing a ferret tough then I remembered...you should not wash them.

[dry osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ferrets-hi-cute-gif-21869520

Im countering

[rocky venture]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-running-away-aphearse-gif-25030514

[opal star]

Oh gawd the cuteness

[dry osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-lick-mlem-cute-funny-gif-25264237

[forest glacier]

I would think the Discord would be the worst of it but either most of them have already been banned or are asleep or its just not that popular of a target, because general chat seems pretty tame

[dry osprey]

General chat is weird on its own. (for me atleast since im not often in there)

[opal star]

Gen chat is a whole new beast on its own

[blissful crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-ducky-jumping-duck-jump-duck-cute-duck-gif-8773923656283969935

[forest glacier]

General chat is weird this is true, generally.

[blissful crescent]

Also for everyone who dealt with the topic I will not name.

[proud depot]

Did I miss something during yesterdays stream?

[dry osprey]

Would recommend watching the vod.

[blissful crescent]

For me generel Chat writtes to fast.

[proud depot]

you hae a timestamp for that?

[forest glacier]

sometimes not all the times

[gilded tiger]

Man, you've gotta love how easy it is to bring the worst individuals on the web out - I guess that's both the blessing and curse of the inclusivity of the web

[forest glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUZ6hduhjY

[gilded tiger]

Mods defo earning their bread

[opal star]

Oh Asmon alr made a vid

[dry osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeonmeshi-deliciousindungeon-senshi-dwarf-bread-gif-13035916651274818605

[forest glacier]

he posted it before the stream it was recorded on was over

[lament sun]

he gotta earn his own bread right

i mean asmo

[rocky venture]

Kind of live defusal of the situation yeah.

[mystic jasper]

all comes to : do you follow orders of the raid lead or not ... If you do, you're bad... if you don't ... you're bad...

[summer night]

i mean thats dedication

[opal star]

Only tuned it at the start of the stream where a certain someone got roasted on the spit

[dry osprey]

Its just everything went wrong

[tidal bramble]

Having watched Asmon's stream, he made it clear that Yamato was out of line.

[mystic jasper]

yes but the only one crying about accountability isn't the one taking it ... (yamato)

[forest glacier]

With everything being said I think Asmon recognized how bad the optics were and was trying to do damage control, as much as possible at least

[fossil sapphire]

what does asmon has to do with this? he doesnt even play?

[lament sun]

reaction content

end of

really

[tidal bramble]

He's a 20 year vet of WoW.

[lament sun]

and also asmo was a big wow streamer back in the day

[fossil sapphire]

so is thor. yet..

[opal star]

At least he had relevant experience compared to drama hoppers...

[tidal bramble]

Yet what?

[mystic jasper]

"buT H3 dOEnsT PlAY HarDcORe !"

[dry osprey]

I played wow for 20 years and now? 🤔

[forest glacier]

wasnt he like... the biggest.. for a moment at least?

[fossil sapphire]

yet we're here. having this whole debacle

[tidal bramble]

Ah gotcha.

[trail crater]

Homie, the VAST majority of Asmon’s audience are wow enjoyers

Asmon as stated in the video was farming views

[opal star]

People discrediting Asmon on his Wow experience are the same type of ppl that discredit Thor in his game dev experience.

[mystic jasper]

yeah... Mistakes were made it happens... It's hardcore, character first... When yoiu hear "run !run !run !" : First thing that goes your mind : "Shit it's snowballing, don't wanna loose my character, I'm out"

[mystic jasper]

he doesn't hide it tho 😄

[dry osprey]

Tbf if i would be that druid i would just run

[summer night]

look at the end of the day we all know who caused all of this ..... mizkif its always mizkif

[dry osprey]

After a stomp im outta there

[mystic jasper]

yeah the druid got the final aggro...

But the louder wasn't doing shit either -_- Crying bout pirate runningaway (good, bad, idk, I'm not an hardcore player) but he wasn't doin anything neither... And caught back Thor in the run out xD

[trail crater]

The thing I don’t see ppl talking about that much is that was the second run in that same dungeon that they over pulled too

[tidal bramble]

Thor did mention that, but people seem to be ignoring it/missing it

[mystic jasper]

True ; Then Thor proceed to beat the same dungeon with his usual teammates ....

[dry osprey]

Asmon said aswell in his reaction that the rogue wasnt doing anything 🤔

[summer night]

right i got to go make money peace out chat

[chrome mantle]

Soooo....No strim tonight? XD

[dry osprey]

Shayes bday 😄

[chrome mantle]

Aha, that'd do it

[mystic jasper]

"BuT AsM0n ain'T A WoW HArDcORe PlaYeR !'

[tidal bramble]

Shaye bday wooooo!

[chrome mantle]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[opal star]

Shaye will flail Thor alive if he doesn't celebrate birthday

[south shadow]

Looks like I’ve missed a lot lately. Im assuming no stream tonight and I take it the mods had a rough day yesterday?

[mystic jasper]

that argumentation is soooo annoying to read -_-

[mystic jasper]

Mods deserved butter on bread ... Thor is out for Shaye Birthdat

[chrome mantle]

didn't realize Shaye was on the same schedule Thor is XD

[brittle rune]

No stream tonight, it's Shaye's birthday

[dry osprey]

If you get an experienced rogue you know that all of his cds where open and could have been used 🤷‍♂️ But yknow im not a rogue main in classic

[lament sun]

yea yesterday was a wild day for a scheduled normal stream

[tidal bramble]

Mods certainly earned not just their pay but all the tips!

[opal star]

We need more Shaye on stream ngl. It was fun to hear Shaye talk abt vet stuff

[tidal bramble]

I do enjoy the info dumps we get with Shaye.

[forest glacier]

nope, just eating his arm and bouncing in his chair. Thats all im gonna say, im not talking anything bad about the streamers

[chrome mantle]

well, since no strim, I'm headin to bed.

[opal star]

And the I ladies

[chrome mantle]

Night all, thanks for the update @brittle rune

[dry osprey]

Ye i saw the biting his arm

[south shadow]

Can someone give me the tldr on what happened? I’ve been out the loop due to work schedule.

[chrome mantle]

Stupid thing =T

[lament sun]

#streamchat message

i'm not sure if you endure asmo's TL;DR of it

but that's pretty much what happened

[tidal bramble]

Bad pull, two deaths, someone moving the goalposts and blaming Thor and causing LOTS of drama. The end. Asmongold did a good video overall.

[chrome mantle]

Laters all, goodnight, or good day! Whichever fits best for you.

[proud depot]

so if I get this correct: someone said to abandon the dungeon, thor did so, and is now getting flack for it?

[dry osprey]

Sleep well

[opal star]

[forest glacier]

its like the opposite of a TLDR lmao its a deepdive into the events that happened step by step

[mystic jasper]

to be added : Not even the 2 deads are blaming Thor xD

[lament sun]

good

[steady pewter]

Is there a stream tonight?

[tidal bramble]

Yup, Snupy and Sara are all, "Wasn't thor"

[dry osprey]

No

[tidal bramble]

Nope, Shaye bday

[opal star]

Shot caller isn't experienced and decides to call the shots, and regrets shot called...

[tidal bramble]

bbiab, grocery delivery arrived.

[dry osprey]

Dont forget the overtalking. But i dont wanna talk bad about people so ima stop

[opal star]

Ye let's jus celebrate it's Shaye bday

[dry osprey]

Might need to make a post about no stream today. People might ask constantly. Not like its a problem for us to tell em 😄

[forest glacier]

I would place bets that Thor and them are staying offline today for the most part

[mystic jasper]

Diserve it

[south shadow]

Thanks. Yeeesh. Sounds like a day.

[opal star]

Would oso place bets that Thor will be flailed alive if Thor didn't celebrate Shaye bday

[dry osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/ferretsoftware/clip/AbrasiveImpossibleSquidBuddhaBar-AI19P6wqy2tv4m_1?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

Take these

[opal star]

Awwwww

[dry osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/ferretsoftware/clip/CulturedBusyDugongPartyTime-Wp_Gf0_-8tlp1_dG?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

[opal star]

Wigglers soothe the heart

[forest glacier]

damn I waited like an hour for him to show up there after he said he was going to hang out with them after stream, I couldnt take almost 24 hours of stream watching

[dry osprey]

She was sleeping in his hand for a while and he really was chilling

Its in the vod so ye 😄

There is even in the #ferretchat a twitter post from him

[opal star]

Mouse really likes Thor

Cues all the cute sniffing clip of mouse

[forest glacier]

im still kinda blown out like a light bulb after that 18 hour stream. Actually so glad no stream

[mystic jasper]

lil one woke up ! See you tonight, guys !

[dry osprey]

See ya

[hexed badge]

amen to this, i feel twitch streamed out today and more interested in diving into game grinding than watching anyone stream, particularly anyone that's going to discuss yesterday's events

watching that hate machine spin up in real time over nothing yesterday was exhausting

[opal star]

Gonna take some time to get all the drama hoppers to chill

[forest glacier]

oh no I mean like If I dont go to bed in a couple minutes im going to wake up with a massive headache and everything on my desk scattered or stuck under my head.

[hexed badge]

he always had today scheduled off for Shaye's birthday so the timing is excellent

[blissful crescent]

@dry osprey

[opal star]

So jus do important stuff in the meantime, focus on urself not the drama

[proud depot]

In other news: the pirate software folding at home group is only 49 spots away from being in the top 1000

[dry osprey]

Got no nitro so no emojis for me :<

[hexed badge]

oh lol please get yourself some proper bed sleep and not desk sleep!

[forest glacier]

Twitch integration usually allows you to use Twitch emojis from his channel

[opal star]

[tidal bramble]

0933 here, have today off to deal with legal bank stuff. Wooo

[forest glacier]

I dont have nitro

[tidal bramble]

So sitting, having a coffee, reading discord.

[opal star]

Though u can't use the gifs but that's fine

[blissful crescent]

[dry osprey]

I might gonna look into that later but im getting really tired after rewatching all that weird drama

[forest glacier]

you already have it you have the twitch sub club role

[tidal gale]

its going to be a bumpy ride when he comes back, mods are gonna earn their keep fersure lol

[proud depot]

I got some free nitro from a twitch promotion

[blissful crescent]

Tell me more what is this....integration?

[dry osprey]

But it doesnt let me use em

[forest glacier]

you ALSO already have it, Twitch sub club role means Discord and Twitch accounts of yours are linked and Discord knows your subbed

[forest glacier]

that IS strange, are you on mobile?

[blissful crescent]

@dry osprey Trying to emote for you like secondhand emoting.

[dry osprey]

No im on my pc

[forest glacier]

like yarrBongos without the :

[blissful crescent]

I have some locked Emotes though.

[forest glacier]

yea there are a lot of emotes on the discord that arent FROM Twitch.

[blissful crescent]

I see

[dry osprey]

Some of the emojis

[forest glacier]

inside the server your only locked out of the animated ones, outside the server your locked out of the ones not provided by twitch, I can still use the Twitch ones on other servers and DMs

[blissful crescent]

I did not know

[dry osprey]

Ye discord being weird

[proud depot]

thank you all for reminding me to cancel nitro before it charged me

nice to have but way down on the list of things I should be paying for

[forest glacier]

have you tried typing yarrBongos like that with no : and have we had this conversation before cause theres a faint memory

[blissful crescent]

[dry osprey]

[forest glacier]

no capital

B

Bongos

[blissful crescent]

yarrBongosyarrBongosyarrBongos

[forest glacier]

🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

[blissful crescent]

[dry osprey]

Well ye but its not animated

[proud depot]

no animation though

[dry osprey]

[proud depot]

is

[clever void]

Hello everyone. Is there a stream tonight/today?

[forest glacier]

No the Twitch integrated ones dont have the animation thats part of Discords deal having Nitro and all

[proud depot]

shay's birthday today, so no

[forest glacier]

its actually really trash imo but at least I have them

most of them

[dry osprey]

Ye

[clever void]

oh ok HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHAY!!!

[dry osprey]

We got stickers tho!

[dry osprey]

Need bongos sticker!

[forest glacier]

[proud depot]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-software-ferret-gif-3470674042874450968

[forest glacier]

suddenly both streamchats are in emote only mode @brittle rune (sorry if there was confusion, I meant this Discord Channel and the Twitch Chat for Pirate)

[proud depot]

as well as gifs of thor

[dry osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/987123333659250688/1296151610275401772/thor_cheer.gif

[proud depot]

I like the thors face on existing gifs thing, reminds me of the nigel thornberry gif war on reddit

https://tenor.com/view/smashing-the-wild-thornberries-nigel-gif-21233527

[dry osprey]

Just saying my goblins

https://tenor.com/view/buy-the-demo-piratesoftware-thor-gif-2965959134657331482

[forest glacier]

you can thank @mental bolt

[dry osprey]

Ok now ima be in bed. See ya later or so

[forest glacier]

They are the reason you can search zafaroth in the Tenor and get relevant results

[mental bolt]

its my mastercraft lol

[south shadow]

This is deeeeply cursed.

[hallow tangle]

stream today? visualize the seagulls from finding nemo popping up saying stream

[summer night]

nope as shay's Bday

[hallow tangle]

ahh okies

[summer night]

i come on break and see the room has calmed down this is good

[zealous frost]

Gonna leave this here for people coming in.
It's Shay's birthday! ❤️

[fossil sapphire]

but it's gonna go up

by every message.

[zealous frost]

well you can repost it later 😂

[summer night]

dont worry i made a copy

[livid spoke]

Happy birthday shay 🎉🥳

[zealous frost]

I think a mod probably needs to pin a comment on the stream chat on twitch...

[broken gorge]

Happy birthday, Shaye!

[weary otter]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-birthday-cake-goat-party-hat-greetings-gif-16125383282732313274

[sick fossil]

Happy birthday Shaye!

[rocky venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348405350912753665/1316156340762050560/Henry_gif.gif

[jaunty jasper]

exactly what I came in here for, thanks!

[red herald]

Happy birthday Shaye! Hope you have an amazinggg day!

[slim nest]

Happy birthday Shaye 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[toxic jacinth]

Happy birthday Shaye

[dull summit]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[swift star]

Happy BirthShaye!

[formal kestrel]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[surreal isle]

Happy birthday Shaye 🎉

[sturdy vault]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[frosty thorn]

Happy birthday shay

[sleek seal]

Happy ding day furry noodle mom!

[south spire]

Happy birthday Shaye! 🎂

[magic badge]

Happy Birthday Shaye!!

[undone dragon]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[sterile wolf]

Happy Shayeday!

[low agate]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[flat moat]

Happy Birthday, Shaye! 🎉 🎉

[sterile junco]

hipp hipp Shaye !

[dire mountain]

Happy Birthday Shaye

[plush void]

Happy birthmas Shaye 🖤

[summer night]

Happy Birthday Shaye!🥂

[sonic jungle]

Happy birthday Shaye!

[sand crown]

Happy birthday Shaye!!!

[covert monolith]

Happy Shayeday! Hope you have a heyday

[dry osprey]

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Shaye ❤️

[spare topaz]

Happy birthday Shaye ❤️❤️ have a fantastic day!

[serene valley]

Happy sun lappy

:3

[rugged quiver]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[ember thistle]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[still quiver]

Happy birthday Shaye!! Enjoy your day!

[slender oar]

Happy Birthday Shaye! Hope it's fabulous! 🎉

[opaque glen]

Happy birthday Shaye 💛

[ionic lodge]

Happy Birthday Shaye! Have a fun one!

[proper bay]

Happy Birthday Shaye

[earnest mirage]

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[jolly sky]

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[pliant robin]

Gratla

[nova spindle]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[river island]

Happy Birthday Shaye thanks for everything you do.

[stone nacelle]

Happy Birthday Shaye

[wary saffron]

Happy Birthday Shaye

[clever radish]

Happy brithday Shaye 🎉 🎂

[woeful epoch]

Happy birthday Shaye!

[blissful crescent]

Happy Birthday Shaye !

[ionic bronze]

Happy Birthday Shaye!

[kindred osprey]

Happy Birthday 🎉🎂🎈 Shaye!

[idle thistle]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[royal oxide]

Happy birthday Shaye!