streamchat

[crude sphinx]

there's my question 😛

and i just realized i DM'ed the wrong Khronos

[finite basin]

https://tenor.com/view/peach-and-goma-peachcat-birthday-cake-happy-gif-14819423

happy birthday Sophie

[flat thistle]

@rotund trout Happy B-Day

[verbal depot]

As someone in Twitch chat said there are no Furry races - https://ashesofcreation.com/races#tulnar
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Tulnar

Based on the concept art, there will be a scalie, "lion" and something closer to hairy orc? all under one race.

[rotund trout]

thank you!

[fading kite]

The name of the game he's currently playing is Ashe right?

[rotund trout]

!aoc

[dapper raven]

Make an account here! https://ashesofcreation.com/sign-up/r/FHLFSS366YCCE66B Come join us on Discord here! https://discord.gg/4uQ6fkvtjR

[rotund trout]

Ashes of Creation, yes

[fading kite]

Thank you haha. I was close xD

[hallow tangle]

AOC phase 2 and 3 roadmap
https://www.twitch.tv/isth3reno1else/clip/NeighborlyDeterminedTurtleMau5-ae6shYpsxShG_FJg

[sacred junco]

@sleek seal I will eagerly wait for your TTS

[sleek seal]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-ping-pingus-bingus-cat-gif-18905873

[somber garnet]

Wassup guys?

[sacred junco]

I saw your tts, really interested on thor's answer

[somber garnet]

Wassup guys

[sleek seal]

m8, I got it, no need to ping me

[somber garnet]

[craggy quest]

@rotund trout happy birthday from 🇫🇷

[teal hollow]

@rotund trout happy birthday

[rotund trout]

thank you!

[hushed abyss]

sophie is the best mod ever!!

[winged arch]

fo a moment i thought sofie was a mod to Baldurs gate, skyrim or similar

context is a thing to grasp xD

[craggy quest]

In french it would be : bonne anniversaire Sophie nos voeux les plus sincères c'est ta journée

[austere fjord]

Happy Bday Sophie

[shut crater]

Happy Birthday Sophie

[sterile junco]

sneaks in, missed the first 6h, eeek... (happy bday there sophie)

[summer flint]

oh, Happy Birthday @rotund trout

[muted sail]

Happy birthday!

[true lark]

Happy Birthday @rotund trout ! Best wishes to you!

[obtuse river]

Freehold Map

[dark mural]

Happy late birthday @rotund trout !

[coral oasis]

Apparently PIE is made by the founders of Honey. They are trying to do to advertisements what they did to discount cupons.

[humble aspen]

Dude poor Shaye, got popular by getting absolutely rekt, i just hope we'll see him more on streams 😄

[hushed forge]

Khronos the lord of poop

[balmy ledge]

I'll eat a cake on your behalf, Sophie 👍

[polar compass]

Massive battle

[dull yew]

hi all, any chance anyones got a boot.dev promo code? I asked in thor's stream but I don't think anyone was able to catch my message ^^

randomly tried the promo code piratesoftware and theprimeagen. theprimeagen did the trick :)

[topaz geyser]

im confused what just happened

stream die? or did he end?

[broken venture]

he ende dfor today

[flint sinew]

he's done for the day

[topaz geyser]

ah ok my internet DIED

[flint sinew]

raided into winky's stream

[topaz geyser]

ah

sweet

[drowsy vector]

Probably a BSoD (blue screen of death)

[flint sinew]

#streamchat message

[drowsy vector]

ah, didnt see, thank you.

[rain oxide]

interesting

[carmine stump]

Is there stream today ?

[nocturne elk]

Thor appears to be online in Discord, & it's a saturday. Might be eating some breakfast or something

[carmine stump]

Mmmm okay thank you 😊

[south sedge]

He got off really late last stream. It would be understandable if he slept in alittle.

[kindred hornet]

So no panic yet?

[rustic totem]

Is he even sleeping rn tho? yesterday he is playing ashes even before he started streaming

[regal lagoon]

assuming he went to sleep this time...

[golden mirage]

Pfft, lies. We all know he doesn't sleep, he just goes back to the Fracking 5 for a few hours.

[crystal axle]

or farm willow trees for 6hrs lmao

[rustic totem]

I can see that

[hollow wagon]

The nightmares are there without Thor. HOLD ME CHAT

[crystal axle]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-winchester-dean-supernatural-love-gif-13191848

[south sedge]

He wasnt playing directly after getting off stream. Winky was in a call with him and he forgot to leave. He did other stuff. But either way, staying on stream hella late would prob put him behind schedule and he’d have to catch up wether or not he slept

[hollow wagon]

I appreciate

[south sedge]

He definitely doesnt sleep as much as me, but i have suspicions that thor is human you guys.

Call me a heretic ig

[carmine stump]

Lies, he is a wig that has assumed a human-like shape

[crystal axle]

im watching one of those compliatons on YT of all warcraft cinimatics .. good god, the ealier wow ones look soo jaanky

[lament sun]

wym. you can literally see technology moving forward through diablo 1 cinematics

30 years CGI progress

[golden mirage]

Maybe we need someone to shake a box of Greggs to wake Thor up.

[crystal axle]

yea, thats what i mean, like vanilla , tbc ones are so jagged and jankie.. as they progress you can see it getting better and better.

[nocturne elk]

https://tenor.com/view/scoobidoo-dessin-anime-cartoon-scoobi-jany-gif-12430659

[south sedge]

Reminder of this guys.

[hollow wagon]

Thanks for all the hugs guys

[flat glacier]

Question does anyone have the AOC link from Pirates stream by chance? i couldnt find it to save my life

[crystal axle]

i still think the MoP opening cinimatic is sooo good.

[golden mirage]

What link? the one to make an AoC account?

[ivory path]

Here you go
https://ashesofcreation.com/sign-up/r/FHLFSS366YCCE66B

[flat glacier]

TY\

[gusty nacelle]

is there a stream today? nothing in the schedule but twitch chat is going crazy

[strange owl]

In theory

[kindred hornet]

It could be worse. Hubert is AFK from stream and may be asleep on toilet

[crystal axle]

id imagine yes, he did get off late. normally by this time there would be a post sayin no, if not.

[golden mirage]

Twitch chat is always crazy

[unique pond]

schedule get reset if the streamer misses the time. If I remember right

[urban nimbus]

Haha yeah I am watching that now to see if he did or not haha

[ivory path]

He was talking in chat a few minutes ago

[gusty nacelle]

ah okay ty

Excellent, thank you folks. I need help with this 12hr shift 😭

[crystal axle]

where is the master of the schedule.. @viscid kraken poke poke do the thing! 😄

[kindred hornet]

@crystal axle I’m sure he’s already busy

[rustic fox]

I read this and immediately thought of the Shrek "do the roar" lol

[crystal axle]

i KNOW,, hes getting gregs i bet..

[brave schooner]

I thought he might've adjusted due to the holiday, like taking today off because of Christmas or whatever, but there's no announcement, and his computer wouldn't arrive overnight, so...

[opal star]

https://tenor.com/view/greggs-my-beloved-locket-heart-locket-gif-17532483960310569982

[carmine stump]

Wouldn't be the first time lol

[unique pond]

I think he would have mentioned if he planed a day off today. Personally I think he oversleept a little bit

[golden mirage]

It could also be the anesthesia from the knee surgery. Sometimes that takes a while to wear off.

[reef current]

maybe he's building his computer?

[dapper widget]

Isn't Thor getting a new PC this weekend? Could that also be a reason for a late or no stream?

[unique pond]

If parts did come early, it could be

[opal star]

i think its a combination of knee surgery, hip surgery and having to report back to the fracking 5

[ivory path]

thar's tomorrow

[reef current]

I think he did say saturday, but i could be wrong

[carmine stump]

Was shipped 27th and supposed to arrive 29th

[gusty nacelle]

C'mon guys, he's retiring, let him have a lie in

[crystal axle]

i would imagine if he got all the parts, he would blast that all over twitter sayin so lol

[brave schooner]

technically today

[crystal axle]

#intelistrash

[brave schooner]

that's why he's getting an amd

[dapper widget]

True

[crystal axle]

im soo glad i got my amd when i did my last build, i just about bought a 14th gen intel instead.

[dapper widget]

Thor should do a computer building stream!

[desert mist]

I herd its gonna be a prebuilt

[drowsy vector]

still the 28th here in NZ

[brave schooner]

oh no i meant "saturday", sunday is the 29th but someone said saturday and since it's past midnight in the US saturday is technically today

[drowsy vector]

Thor said its here on the 29th

[brave schooner]

I didn't know UPS/FedEx/whomever delivers on Sundays...I know Amazon will out of desperation.

[gloomy radish]

Its tomorrow, since it would be 28th, 12/1 am for thor right now

[golden mirage]

I believe it costs them more to deliver on sundays but they can do it when they need to.

[summer vale]

packages through couriers come whenever, only USPS doesnt deliver on sundays

[drowsy vector]

in twitch chat

[gusty nacelle]

beat me to it

[livid whale]

He’s recovering from knee surgery

[crystal axle]

behold. duh ham as spoken!

[brave schooner]

That's not surprising

[crystal axle]

RIGHT! 'computer issues' mmmhmm..

[rotund crow]

Hopefully nothing serious...

[golden mirage]

Computer issues is code for second breakfast right?

[brave schooner]

I mean that poor processor is on its last legs

[strange owl]

forgot to charge the robotic legs again

[polar compass]

INTEEEEEEELLLLL

[gusty nacelle]

I think Thor is developing his own language where Computer actually means Knee, and Issues means Surgery

🤔

[brave schooner]

More like "in hell"

[livid whale]

Intel has taken Thor from us
We must crusade against intel brothers

[polar compass]

With the last 4 gens, 100%

[drowsy vector]

https://tenor.com/view/heat-computer-cooking-with-style-wtf-computer-chip-gif-17012327

it might still be usefull

[rotund crow]

Would anyone know a potential why to me losing my twitch sub club even though I'm subbed?

[reef current]

Steaks as a heatsink? delcious.

[brave schooner]

Account got disconnected from discord?

[rotund crow]

It's still connected

[brave schooner]

No idea then

[gusty nacelle]

sub overran and ran out maybe?

[sacred junco]

a brief retreat from hell with 12th gen
but then it's indeed kinda hellish

[polar compass]

The TDP on 12th gen still made my eyes water though. But every gen since has been an actual waste of sand.

[gusty nacelle]

7

[mild pier]

7

[urban nimbus]

7

[drowsy vector]

7

[nocturne elk]

0111

[polar compass]

If it turns out the "issue" was his CPU got there early and he just started up his new build imma be HYPE

[past onyx]

7

[sacred junco]

hell yea bruther

[sacred junco]

ehhh, I would say it's not too bad given that AMD did the same with the initial lineup of Ryzen 7000

it was fair and square competition for that brief period of time

[polar compass]

105W =/= 185W

[sacred junco]

that's TDP which is like a funni formula

[strange owl]

it has arrived

with static

[sacred junco]

like literally neck and neck on who draws the most power

was a good time

[kindred hornet]

Yaaaaah!

[regal lagoon]

LOL just watched on huberts pov as thor woke him up XD

[sacred junco]

lest we forget, this is AMD's definition of TDP
and yes, there is no power varible in that formula but the result unit is Watts

oh no the new parts dilemma

[hollow wagon]

7

[coral oasis]

Soaking the boiled chicken.

[polar compass]

Windstead Mayor Dragon is made of giant leaves.

[carmine stump]

I just realized I might be able to put this here. Trying to paste a link to the magazine article I was referencing earlier in stream chat.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-much-vitamin-d-do-you-need-to-stay-healthy/#:~:text=Not only did vitamin D,decrease age-related macular degeneration%2C

[soft chasm]

Khronos is looking at the new warhammer primarch model, oh no

His wallet is about to be empty

[graceful bane]

Ah yess, bulbasaur is green.

[sterile junco]

that was cinema https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/ElegantTrappedDonutKappaRoss-vmR5PzFbK6IpxBP2

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/hewasnumberone-hewasnumber1-spongebob-mrkrabs-itwashishatmrkrabs-gif-18200966

[hasty solar]

@forest glacier

[forest glacier]

here

[kindred otter]

vitamin d is important especially for people who don't enjoy baking their skin

in the sun

[carmine stump]

I agree that ppl need vit D. That's why I linked a whole article that does a meta study, a study of many studies, that help explain how much and how often. I get new moles and freckles in 15m or less, I have timed it. I have over 150 spots and do not like them, and I'm night shift lol

[kindred otter]

yeah, I mean its different from person to person but if you're fortunate enough to do a test on vitamins and minerals your doc can tell you how much how often, I legit took vitamin d and was still low lmao.

now I should take like 5 drops a day and I still forget for weeeeks lol

btw fk the sun it just makes your skin age insanely fast

most important thing next to moisturising is using sunscreen daily

[carmine stump]

I adore sunscreen lmao it is all I wear , okay aside from clothes, when I leave home. Especially gel or essence types from South Korea and Japan.

[jolly sky]

These "Anti-Polish Vtuber" bots are so odd

Like whoever is doing that needs to spend their energy elsewhere

[sacred junco]

like eerily specific

[sacred junco]

is it just me or the game's FPS is lower than 60 today?

[brave schooner]

I actually have been tested for and found to have incredibly decreased levels of Vitamin D thanks to my MS. I'm currently on 2k mg /day to try fixing it. My next test is in February.

[forest glacier]

@lime canopy Did you see this one? https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/TenaciousCrepuscularSandwichBibleThump-jMoKRXKhYaL6Lmdn

[dawn falcon]

Thor played this game and interviewed the dev a few monthes ago. Now it's free on Epic Games:

https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/kill-knight-e981b3

[midnight bronze]

Got a clip of this?

[regal lagoon]

I can probably get one, unless the vod is deleted lol on sec ill check

[midnight bronze]

i mean, i can search too if you know the abouts of when it happened

[regal lagoon]

ya it might be easier to do that its longer than a clip can be i think

[midnight bronze]

Thor or Kris vod? Time around u think?

[regal lagoon]

its at the end of kristofers last stream starting at around 6:02:45

[midnight bronze]

okay, thought it might be around there

[regal lagoon]

it was during the "stream starting soon" screen on thors end so he was muted from his pov

[midnight bronze]

Thought Twitch just kept messing the VOD up because he has Annie paused and it is silent

[regal lagoon]

ya it was on that screen for quite a while XD

i watched that screen from like 3:15 until he was woken up sometime after 4 i think xD

[midnight bronze]

XD That was great...

"I am in your computer.. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!"

[regal lagoon]

lol i like how he woke up at first and was closing the game, then thor said something else and startled him XD

[midnight bronze]

I would have trashed my setup... no lie

[regal lagoon]

oh ya my desk woulda been ruined lol

[tribal vale]

Happy belated birthday Sophie!

[golden mirage]

Is Thor level capped? I thought the cap was 25 but I haven't seen his XP bar move in a while.

[white blade]

It's still 25, it's just so much experience to level that it will go slowly unless he purposely grinds it with high exp per kill enemies.

[sweet geode]

for people wanting to try kill knight it's free on the epic store

[cunning axle]

The terrible ligmas have to be intentional at this point

[earnest mirage]

Use some quality ones like: Pudding (deez nuts on your chin).

[orchid abyss]

For those that are curious about the implications of what 'social sandbox' MMOs mean, there is a great video done by CCP for EvE Online a bit over 10 years ago called "EvE Online: The Butterfly Effect." I can in no way advocate for EVE anymore, but this is such an amazing video about what a single player in such a game can mean.

[cunning axle]

Enjoying murder? ||In game.||

[agile spruce]

Refugee from Eve here. Yeah... one person can cause haywire in what is basically a closed system.

[kindred osprey]

Is this a mount presentation in the game on the stream right now? I just tabbed in!

[golden mirage]

I didn't catch it, did he say where that blue bird is from?

nvm, he just said it

Nothing against Boiled Chimken but I love how the bird mount looks.

[stone nacelle]

smooth too

i've fond memories of flying in ark

well, until i lost my bird. really need a gps collar

[crystal axle]

wowz, just got up about 30min ago, and saw lord goblin JUST ended.. wowz a long one today.

[carmine stump]

Am I mathing correctly? He did seven more hours than usual?? Ouch

[golden mirage]

4 hours more than usual

[carmine stump]

Was it AOC whole time? I think he might be addicted lol

[golden mirage]

lol, yep.

[crystal axle]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-han-sung-kang-fast-x-no-gif-9009623534519168477

[carmine stump]

It's "under control" 😉😆

[crystal axle]

i blame khronos.

[carmine stump]

He is the stinkiest mod, ergo, it must be his fault 🤣

[crystal axle]

https://tenor.com/view/duh-well-duh-obviously-well-obviously-duhh-gif-18111308720377231680

[carmine stump]

Cool, I can put a penguin on things 😆

I getting the impression from the "Crazy Bad Asus Pre-Built Gaming PC for $2500 (G22CH-DH978 Review)" video that Asus might be a slightly shit company....

[topaz geyser]

I hope bros gotten some rest.... I was literally watching him earlier today....

[carmine stump]

I think he was at least not looking at a screen 9pm-2am cst and has now been back online for 35mins

[topaz geyser]

yeah he streams like 3am - 3pm my time but I think he went till 6pm today/yesterday

[carmine stump]

Yeah..... it's gotta lead to some eye strain, I'd guess

[topaz geyser]

perhaps but not even that just actual rest lmao

[carmine stump]

True, the brain does need some down time to cleanse and relax haha

[topaz geyser]

yes it does and that time is approaching for me

[carmine stump]

Sleep well! ❤️

[topaz geyser]

I will thank you

[lament sun]

hey chat

what happened to the roasted chicken

and what is that violet alien bird instead

i miss the first couple of hours of stream

[acoustic crystal]

Why is Chicken no longer bald?

Did the mounts get an update?

[sacred junco]

That's some new mount that he got given by Steven the game director in an event last stream

Boiled chicken is still there, he's not using her because of the rubberbanding

[acoustic crystal]

Ohhh I see

Thanks for the clarification 👌

[carmine stump]

Bab biblically accurate bird 🐦 🐉

[remote leaf]

The event with Steven in Dec 28th 2024 stream is in https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2337920137 - interaction with Steven starts around 15:02:48. The YouTube vod cuts off around 12h55m and Twitch VODs have a lifetime of around 90 days I believe even for partners. If Thor wants to keep as a future content opportunity, it would be worth grabbing the twitch VOD and publishing the event as a specific highlight. Steven may be interested as well (potentially). A lot of people were asking about the new mount. Hope this is useful

[spice dome]

am out of loop. What's up with the new flying mount?

[stone nacelle]

steven gift

flies better, so new primary

[spice dome]

the god has graced our lord with a gift

[stone nacelle]

freebie to someone, Hollandaise nuts

[ionic bronze]

steven save us 😄

[rocky spire]

7

[long pollen]

Or "The Pit of THEBEARS"

[rain mist]

@minor nymph @viscid kraken https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYnJC5b8/

[frigid bobcat]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDwbO69N5xY/?igsh=MW5jaXQxcTluMzlkeQ==

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[forest glacier]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/PiliablePatientFennelKevinTurtle-K8GBFpDe2YY2-o79

[nimble moss]

[stone nacelle]

[jolly sky]

Salty Sandra's

[oblique dust]

excuse me, how do i send a TTS message to thor when he is streaming?

[golden mirage]

!tts

[dapper raven]

You can have Text To Speech/Talk To Streamer (TTS) for any bit donation 500 or higher. Once submitted, your message will be added to The Queue, which Thor activates manually. If Thor does not get to your message by the end of stream it will become 'Debt' on the 'Debt-Tracker' channel in Discord. Thor pays out to charity when that value hits $7,777 or more. Answered TTS questions are timestamped in Discord in the answered-tts channel.

[silent mountain]

does anyone know if the 24/7 youtube stream is also getting ad revenue? I don't know how 24/7 works on it. Was just thinking they could get even more if I left both streams running simultaneously

sorry this is the ferret stream

[golden mirage]

yes

If you watch both you'll generate ad revenue on both.

[silent mountain]

hold crap that is amazing. only 61 on youtube rn.

thx

[river island]

The sheer arrogance of this comment is wild

[late bane]

new PC baptism day?

[past onyx]

Parts supposedly get here today?

[forest glacier]

unlikely, even if the parts get here today, Thor isnt going to stop streaming from the old PC, build the new PC, and stream from it on the same day.

[vagrant silo]

Yeaaah but then he still has to either build the thing and install everything or just install everything

Wouldnt expect new PC stream anytime soon, probably after his days off (wed/thurs)

[forest glacier]

If the parts get here today I would expect it tuesday lol

[vagrant silo]

7950x3d is one hell of a CPU though. Games on CCD1, productivty on CCD2. Lets gooo! 😄

[drowsy vector]

Getting a Tech Priest to bless the PC

[flint quartz]

well considering its like 00:00 on monday for him he probably wont be getting the parts till like 4pm today which is in 16 hours

[sacred junco]

holy that cpu is cooked cooked

that 13900k machine is beyond in the grave

[thorn ore]

Welcome to AMD, apprentice

[ionic bronze]

So new pc stream... soon

[untold fractal]

I kind of hoped for a PC build stream.

[past onyx]

Fingers crossed for tomorrow I suppose.

[ionic bronze]

There is still helldivers 2 pc?

[forest glacier]

he said on stream this was a definite nope

[golden mirage]

He flat out said there will be no build stream.

[sacred junco]

Yea, but that machine is for games with kernel ac only, no other purpose
and that thing is also slowly cooked

[vagrant silo]

read some tweets. Thor was donating his intel to GamersNexus so they can tear it apart and see the damages

hope we get to see a report or something

that thing must be super cooked

[sacred junco]

Damn, I was going to tts him asking about the mod team's affected cpus and if they will collect and send them to gn as well

[vagrant silo]

that was a possibilty though the mods are worldwide and not everyone gets/can get a new computer fast

[sacred junco]

Yea
could a short term thing where whenever a mod got their replacement amd machine then GN contact them to get the CPU sent
but that way is super unorganized

[vagrant silo]

With the problems Thor is having im guessing his cpu could be a treasure trove of information

[weary otter]

https://tenor.com/view/mail-arriving-ill-be-ready-getting-ready-gif-17418499

[sacred junco]

To the general public, hell yes. It's more in a more detailed microsopic level. Seeing what physical damages those dying chip have on their circuit
Intel already published the root cause issue of this bug:

Intel has localized the Vmin Shift Instability issue to a clock tree circuit within the IA core which is particularly vulnerable to reliability aging under elevated voltage and temperature. Intel has observed these conditions can lead to a duty cycle shift of the clocks and observed system instability.

the FA result will show us the general public what that damage looks like physically on the CPU

[weary otter]

I would be surprised if there is anything 'visible'.

[untold fractal]

The worst part about this video is the intel processor.

[ionic bronze]

Under what 10 nm now? 4nm... yeah might be hard to see:(

[sacred junco]

probably yea
I saw their previous work with the exploded 7800x3d and the fa lab they contracted is specialized in failure analysis of semiconductors. The lab has a electron microscope that so far has produced images at a 20 micrometer scale
Hopefully they will have the tools to get down to the namometer level.

[tidal bramble]

Talk about timing, the new gear arrives just as Thor's pc hits maximum Intel screw up

[lament sun]

do we get a khronos stream instead

reading puns and drinking tea

and killing people by healing them

?

and taxes too

[sacred junco]

The nanometer you see throwing around is actually just a marketing term nowdays. It was meant to convey higher performance of a particular process node

Since at least 1997, "process nodes" have been named purely on a marketing basis, and have no relation to the dimensions on the integrated circuit; neither gate length, metal pitch or gate pitch on a "10nm" device is ten nanometers. For example, GlobalFoundries' "7 nm" processes are dimensionally similar to Intel's "10 nm" process. TSMC and Samsung's "10 nm" processes are somewhere between Intel's "14 nm" and "10 nm" processes in transistor density. The transistor density (number of transistors per square millimetre) is more important than transistor size, since smaller transistors no longer necessarily mean improved performance, or an increase in the number of transistors.

for example, here's the specified dimension for process nodes to be named "7nm" by the IRDS

[ionic bronze]

Nice info, thank you

[left hull]

What intel CPU does Thor have that's causing the BSOD's? 13900K?

[sacred junco]

13900k and 14900k

[left hull]

And??!

He has 2?

[sacred junco]

yea, he has 2 machines
one uses for streaming, game dev'ing and playing games that doesn't have kernel ac

[left hull]

Aahh

[sacred junco]

the other is for kernel ac games exclusively

[left hull]

Fair

[sacred junco]

also was sent for a sponsor deal with starforge

[left hull]

Are both getting Ryzen CPUs?

[sacred junco]

IDK
he has only talked about 1 machine being swapped

[left hull]

Yea

The kernel ac pc shouldn't need it but if the CPU on that one starts to go, he might not be able to play kernel ac games on it.

[frank geyser]

As for now, he are only updatimg his primary machine to an AMD platform, the one for his kernel ac games will still be as it is for now as he currently dont play games that needs any form of kernal things. Or at least what i have umderstood from his streams.

[serene valley]

Also that's not the one that's breaking is it

[sharp iris]

No, but seeing how much $hit he went through with the 14gen machine, I wouldn't blame him for not touching the second one ever again lol

[marsh forge]

Doesn't Space Marine 2 have EAC (so Kernel level anticheat)?

[frank geyser]

No the one who are breaking are his main PC that he uses daily for his streams and gaming.

The second PC aren't connected as of now, and that's also an Intel CPU in it, and Thor are so over Intel now that he don't wanna use anything from it on his daily setup. Think the Ferrets PC are also an Intel as of now.

So there are 3 PC's that needs to be updated to AMD asap. But he is only doing one at the time.

And not to forget that all the mods who also got an Intel PC sent to them, have the same problem as Thor with his 14th gen Intel.

[frank geyser]

That he don't play as of now, as it have only been WoW and AoC the last few streams

[sharp iris]

Man, I'm SO GLAD I built my new PC with 12gen... it was right when 13gen was coming out, the only reason for me was that DDR5 (obligatory for 13) was obnoxiously expensive at the time

[frank geyser]

I switched to AMD back when Ryzen came out with there 2xxx sereis, I have an 5 2600x in my PC now, that might need to be replaced with something newer just for I want it, it still works fine.

My last Intel was an i5-6600K (Skylake) with a Z170A Mobo and a GTX 1070 from Zotac

[sacred junco]

wait aoc doesn't use kernel ac?

[frank geyser]

According to there EULA they only have an EAC (Easy Anti Cheat) that Epic Games provides, that might work like an kernal ac. But from what I have understood is that Thor are playing this game from his main PC, and he said a few times that he would not play any true Kernal AC games on his main PC.

Normally he would use steam link or what it's called when he have the game on a different PC and stream the game via steam from on PC to his main for the stream

[vague palm]

I don't think there are any games with a "kernal" anti-cheat, pretty sure the C64 doesn't go online 😛

[potent reef]

Hmm, I respect the principles, but why a whole second pc for kernel anti-cheat? Oh wait, there are people on the internet as skillful at hackermans as him who would probably end up being the ones finding a zero-day in some company’s kernel-level AC

[potent reef]

If you buy a 13th or 14th gen intel, your immediate course of action is to bios update ASAP to mitigate the microcode part of the problem. After that, all you can do is hope and pray your CPU isn’t oxidizing and go about warranty/RMA if it does.

It is a terrible situation for streamers with big PCs for their content creation

[sacred junco]

I think it's just a things line up for it to happen thing?
that second machine was for the starforge sponsor at the time
and we know later on that he took the starforge sponsor because his 13900k (what I assume is the dying machine right now) was acting up at the time

[potent reef]

Was probably difficult at the time of the problems to tell what was going on with the intel CPUs. There was a good bit of time where nobody had answers, only things they could do to workaround it.

Thankfully, bios updates now have the microcode to stop the damage from starting or getting worse, but if already screwed, not much you can do

[sacred junco]

Yea, I know that all too well, was following the story when wendell broke news about the issue started happening in the enterprise sector
what we were discussing at the time, was this tweet from GN just in case you miss out on something https://vxtwitter.com/GamersNexus/status/1871198565965390329

and by a lot they meant all affected CPUs

[potent reef]

Steve is a gigachad for sure, buying people’s broken things for full retail value so you don’t have to wait for RMA hell to freeze over and get nothing done. Then it becomes honest content. Good dude

It’s all a fascinating turn of events with the 13th/14th gen , because streamers and content creators bend over backwards for Intel/Nvidia quite honestly

Thor keeps talking about AV1 encoding, which is certainly an equalizer of things in the GPU space for streamers in favor of AMD and now Intel with their $250 GPU

And AMD’s always made good CPUs lately, just had something to make people become aware of that again

Can you think of any main streamer or content creator exclusively using AMD? Probably more folks in this community that could raise their hand for that than actual mainstream people

[sacred junco]

I used to know 1 french nfs most wanted streamer running a threadripper stream setup

[potent reef]

Weird flex but sounds based

[sacred junco]

Jayz2cents is one, but he doesn't qualified as streamer

like yea, at least in the streamer world, AMD was, up until this point, the poor man's brand I think

or the underdog

the one that are somewhat tech savvy are not big streamer per se

[potent reef]

Sounds like from how Thor talks about AV1 that it will be better for streamers and content producers on Twitch/Youtube - more people getting into it cheaper and producing better quality video

[sacred junco]

even kris (hubert) chose the 13900k

he used to built systems for a living, he worked with those parts, he must knew AMD was legit to some extent

[potent reef]

I made a conclusion years ago, or whenever I’d see big steamers have tech issues online. It was super cringe to see chat trying to dartboard solution a problem and frustrate people.

Streamers aren’t techs

[sacred junco]

Yea, but changes this big are painfully slow to roll out unfortunately

[potent reef]

But issues like this are also literal black-swan events for the industry, where even rather competent techs or tech savvy people like Thor get caught up in issues like these

[potent reef]

YouTube is already there and twitch av1/hevc is selective beta, we are close

[sacred junco]

I feel like Thor is tech savvy, but he doesn't really update the news on the consumer hardware side

[potent reef]

Do your favorite streamers update drivers? Only when forced to. Do your favorite streamers, let alone anyone, update bios? Hardly

Do your favorite streamers bitch about windows 11? Absolutely.

[sacred junco]

I mean bios is not a thing that imo needs frequent update
Drivers? yea that thing is one and people just don't care tbh

if it works dont fix it

[potent reef]

You would think folks would better maintain their high end systems that make them millions of dollars

[sacred junco]

Most of the time they got it through sponsors

[potent reef]

It used to be a “only if there’s an issue” update. But nowadays and in light of the intel issues, microcode updates are very useful for stability of the system. And in Thor’s prior lines of work, fixing actively exploited CVEs in the wild that require bios updates to fill the holes

BIOS updates also scare people, even though their iPhone/Android phone literally does one every month almost

[sacred junco]

Thor built most of his machine himself, but he chose Intel definitely in part because he fear the quirks when switching to a different platform will affect his work
in part because there's no incentives at the time for him to switch

which I understand

7000 ryzen and 13th gen intel at launch was basically neck in neck

[potent reef]

An appropriate conclusion, though how much of a platform switch is an AMD processor in terms of the actual work being done - not sure anymore. CPU is a CPU these days?

A solid handful use AMD CPUs but Nvidia GPU for stream

[sacred junco]

Well, I don't think intel desktop platform requires you to install the chipset driver?

I used an AMD based computer myself, so I can't speak for the other platform

[potent reef]

They are passively there by virtue of windows and windows update, so both have chipset drivers. AMD a bit more particular of having yours updated but yes

[sacred junco]

Ok fair enough

[jolly sky]

Something thats worth thinking about in that regard is that sometimes its best not to update as it could mess with the reliability of the Stream

[potent reef]

The corporate IT mantra of change as little as possible as necessary to keep things going

Which is how streamers and such should be treating their PCs imo

[sacred junco]

I think most people just don't have the understanding tbh

not that they have that specific mantra

[potent reef]

But there’s a difference between that and forgetting updates to the point of hindrance

[sacred junco]

they are just as average as your parents walking into best buy and asked to buy a computer there

[potent reef]

And not much to tell the normal user where the line is

[jolly sky]

It's one of the main reasons behind why Thor and many, many others don't want to go down the Linux route. Yea it might be smooth oncw you've got it set up, but if something goes wrong, it's far more of a pain the ass to troubleshoot

[lament sun]

plus evrything exsist for windows already

and not evrything CAN jump Os that easily

[jolly sky]

I've seen no end of posts here, and across the internet like "I run Linux and suddenly my thing has stopped working for no reason"

[potent reef]

Steve Jobs famously said that if technology is there and already good, you should use it. Sometimes you reinvent the wheel and maybe you get 5-10% better but often times you end up 5-10% worse than what’s already there in the world

[sacred junco]

also, in reality, most of the time BIOS update doesn't really make a noteworthy change or update
sure, we have the microcode patch, security vul patch, which is a critical update, but in the grand scheme of thing, it's a rare event.
but most of the time the patch note is just *improve performance, better support for 256gb ram

[potent reef]

You can’t invent everything. You also can’t be prideful to not use what already works

[sacred junco]

like this is the patch note for a z790 before the 0x125 microcode patch for the vmin shift

or for my case, improve charging performance
which I can't notice or measured after like 3 bios updates with the same improvement patch note

[potent reef]

Bios updates should have descriptions written better. Or do what every OEM in the laptop/business sector does, force the bios updates automatically down via Windows Update so they actually get done

A bit of a brute force approach (which most bios do let you turn off updates via windows update) but in those workspace systems, it’s far more vital

[sacred junco]

I see the argument for driver updates, new game support, measureable performance improvement
and less risk of failing too
bricking your BIOS chip is still a big thing even if bios flashback is now basically a standard on mid tier and higher motherboard chipset

[potent reef]

I would argue updating bios is no less dangerous than updating your phone, which essentially does the same thing and carries the literal same risk.

Bios updates are never offered on consumer boards via the windows update process, and any driver through windows update is auto presumed bad versus installing yourself.

It’s easy to see how bios updates fall years behind, the average user doesn’t even know they exist, let alone trust them

And the tech users don’t feel any need or justification to deploy them

And in both cases, who can blame them?

[sacred junco]

Yea
You can say that if BIOS update was deployed from say windows update or something in the OS, it will feel less scary right?
but they did not do that, and now I bet you that most people will raise their pitckfork if manufacture started mandating bios update through that channel

because the stigma around software updates is now on windows update itself

[potent reef]

But then we discover things like LogoFail, where the image parsers that display your BIOS logo or allow custom logos becomes an attack vector.

We run into the intel issues and that microcode is important. Ram stability and such is important. Supporting a new CPU is important

[sacred junco]

my laptop was set up to have that option, and I rarely use it too

[potent reef]

The point is that the option is there, and the average user may see the “optional update” section and do it for the hell of it. That’s better than not existing

What if we have another Spectre/Meltdown level vulnerability where bios is massively important and that optional update becomes a mandatory one in the Windows Update channel? (Didn’t happen for this, but example of major security event requiring such a response)

This would never happen as Microsoft would be liable (maybe probably not) of bricking your PC if your OEM’s “mandatory bios update” bricked your machine

More or less ranting about how neglectful folks can be at maintaining their systems. Some of it understandable as to why it happens like fear and such, but BIOS shouldn’t get like 6+ months behind, just as we shouldn’t expect it or drivers to be 6+ months behind on a prebuilt.

Prebuilts especially with 13/14th gen intel better be bios updated as high as possible or it’s a literal guaranteed RMA in the future if not already going to be

Consumer board OEMs always say “only update if there is an issue”. Issue being defined as new CPU support, memory kit stability (that might be fixable by bios update rather than buying another kit/RMA), and that’s about it

[sacred junco]

I agree on the 6+ month point
I just don't agree that forcing bios update down to most consumer is the ultimate solution, especially in the current atmosphere surrounding software updates. We've seen software updates to slowly tank performance, or to turn off features on perftectly fine devices.
I feel like it's a sort of dilemma. BIOS is just another piece of software, so it needs update over time for security, but we can't trust other human to do it willingly, and the current general public opinion around software updates is definitely negative leaning.

I see that most of the time a BIOS update becomes important is when critical vulnerables are discovered and patched, like other software vulnerables
Would you say that manufactures are not giving the correct amount of attention when stuff like this happened?
not just BIOS specifically, but any type of software
When a car recall program happens, everybody knows about it. But when critical vulnerability patches are released, you rarely see it on the mainstream news so to speak

[potent reef]

Most consumers are not the ones being targeted by such vulnerabilities. Makes them less inclined to care

[frank geyser]

Only reason I would update my BIOS would be if I changed my CPU to a newer model/series on the same socket, and it needed a BIOS update to recognize the new CPU. Or if there was an bad BIOS version on it from launch.

I live by the rule, "if it aint broken, don't fix it"

I do not need the top of the top FPS or whatever. I just wanna play some older style games, think my newest game would be Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Manor Lords or Timberborn on my steam profile.

[vagrant silo]

If anyone was still going to, or knows someone thats going for a prebuilt with a 13th/14th, do advise them to check the bios.

[jolly sky]

Sadly I can't ever recall a Prebuilt listing the BIOS version in its specifications on a website, you'd probably have to go through support to find out

[potent reef]

I would imagine that if you already know what motherboard is in your system before you buy/assemble it, and you have the latest bios ready on deck for first boot to update and install - that would be your best chance of avoiding the issue entirely

Unless the CPU is already defective in some regard, the latest bios have the microcode to stop the problem as best as one can do

[vagrant silo]

Saw a video of an ASUS Prebuilt PC getting tested yesterday, no updates. At all. Old microcode etc. Release date of prebuilt was way after it all became fixable

[potent reef]

The processors have two issues. One that was a manufacturing defect with oxidation, the other being caused by improper microcode sending unnecessary voltage and burning out components. The two combined isn't fun

[vagrant silo]

Guessing Thor has both going on 😦

[potent reef]

Or at least the former, I'd presume Thor to be pretty good at updating bios sensibly

Intel did say 14th gen was not affected by the oxidation problems at manufacture that 13th gen is experiencing.

I would bet less on oxidation and more on the amount of time the system ran prior to microcode fixes being available/applied. The damage from running on poor microcode already done and only now causing an overall instability of the system.

[sacred junco]

Yea, given that the 13900k was built way before

that cpu might also on the lot that was affected by the oxidation problem too

[potent reef]

14th gen wouldn't have the oxidation, only degraded performance/more likely to crash from things burning out prior to microcode fixes

[sacred junco]

Yep, that lined up with current symptoms as well I think

[potent reef]

As a consumer, you're hoping that your 14th gen got the microcode fixes before any damage began. You're hoping for both that and silicon lottery not biting you on the 13th gen.

[sacred junco]

at least, I assume that the machine that now crashed with OBS is the 13900k one

and the other machine that occasionally crashed is the sponsored starforge machine with a 14900k

the starforge machine at least started running from may this year

[jolly sky]

I'd take less stock in whatever Intel has to say considering their lack of saying anything, and denying fault until it was made undeniable in front of their eyes

[potent reef]

The 13900k at worst is the oxidization defect compounded by the microcode problems
The 14900k is less likely oxidization defect and more likely that earlier microcode swiftly hastened its collapse

You could roll the dice on buying/RMAing a new 14th gen and if your motherboard already has latest bios, you'll probably be fine going forward (assuming you can tell the fabrication date on your CPU)

Or you could just not roll the dice, and buy AMD

[sacred junco]

for thor's case, he chose the latter yea

[potent reef]

Can someone at AMD give him a sponsor from all this? That could be funny

Wonder how many folks in the community will avoid going intel from this result

[sacred junco]

Knowing Thor, he's most likely to not take the sponsor

[potent reef]

And that's fair, but when you see big name people going AMD, it will have a domino effect

[sacred junco]

I would say a lot
I think the average demographic in this community is definitely not even a LTT watcher

[potent reef]

LTT makes some interesting videos sometimes

[sacred junco]

and the one who knew about this problem the earliest was those who watch level1tech or gamersnexus

who's content is definitely more nerdy than the general appeal approach from LTT

[jolly sky]

Still though even with the news, it would be bad for all of us if AMD pulls too far ahead and becomes the new "monopoly" in CPU's

[sacred junco]

I agree

[potent reef]

I would say when I built this desktop in august that I was leaning towards AMD on the value prospect anyway. But from various problems with my i7-13700H + RTX 4050 dell laptop, the intel problems with oxidization and microcode completely switched me off Intel entirely

I had plenty of other problems overall with that laptop, but maybe not to the degradation level folks were experiencing. I didn't trust Dell to support my XPS 15 9530 like other OEMs were handling the 13th/14th gen situations, nor did I trust them to give me the microcode updates in a timely fashion

A particularly long motherboard RMA for a different issue (took about 2 months instead of the usual week) was around the time that Intel migiht have found the oxidization issue and took longer to get me an entirely new board/cpu

[ionic bronze]

Anyone has monster coin event vod

?

https://x.com/AshesofCreation/status/1869020556227445033 this one

Ashes of Creation (@AshesofCreation) on X

👿 ⚔️ @PirateSoftware and his guild Actual Pirates took on many casualties as they battled against the Ancient Ones in this Monster Coin Event!

Who would you bring with you to help take down these fierce foes?

Twitter · Dec 17, 2024, 2:03 PM

is there a vod even ?

I found the youtube on AOC yt but still 😄

[brisk galleon]

Was there an announcement I missed? No stream today?

[sacred junco]

Yessir, check #streams

[brisk galleon]

Oh... I have no access there.

[woeful geyser]

then you probably clicked the "mute stream notifications" button in the role selection screen

[brisk galleon]

Ah, thank you for the help you 2. I did mute it to reduce mid-sleep pings but i see and I opt-in but just suppress mentions. TYTY

[earnest mirage]

Thor waiting for his new parts be like:
https://tenor.com/de/view/spongebob-waiting-mail-gif-9967258246983803629

[serene spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/where-is-my-package-package-donde-esta-gif-26297469

[royal cargo]

Thor shows Offline hope it is due to him building his new PC

[grizzled kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/ge-force-garage-ge-force-jensen-pc-nvidia-gif-21180987

[zealous frost]

"Guys, I got my PC built in record time!"
The build:

[sweet geode]

how did you find my first build rofl

[earnest mirage]

Zaf said on ferrets, Thor still waiting for the delivery truck.

[untold rose]

if you have a closed case no one can see the spaghetti

[potent reef]

If you have a motherboard with all its connectors on the back of it instead of the front, there is no spaghetti AND they can’t see it

[earnest mirage]

I wouldn't mind spaghetti unless it's not causing issues with air flow. For my work or gaming rig i will never go with glass panel/open cases.
Imagine playing HL2 in a dimmed room, entering Ravenholm. Next to you stands a big shiny, blinking, colorful mess destroying the atmosphere.
Yeah, you could turn it off, but everyone knows RGB software is a bigger mess and cause way more issues than intel's degraded 13/14th gen CPUs.

[frank geyser]

Imagine paying extra to have the no visible cables, just because you are to lazy to not do a proper cable management in the back

Like the Asus BTF or MSI Project Zero

[earnest mirage]

i actually would like to have some colors. But unfortunately everything is black.
Or you pay way more for white parts.

[frank geyser]

and the "problem" with white parts, non of them have the same shade of white, each of them are slightly different. And now you have like 50 shades of white in your case

[earnest mirage]

And you pay a ton more

[potent reef]

Can’t complain about my B650M Project Zero. Very clean look inside my Thermaltake Tower 300 case, can’t see any cables at all

[frank geyser]

and how much extra did you have to pay for that case, MoBo and possible GPU compare to a normal?

[potent reef]

$200 board, $150 case (had to remove hard drive bracket that i don’t use), and $470 for the 7800XT that fits within the vertical space of the Tower 300

[earnest mirage]

For show cases, the clean look is great. But for the standard use case it doesn't matter to have a bunch of power cables hanging around. They will never been able to causing problems with airflow.
Maybe if you have old hardware using flat IDE, FDD or SCSI cables 😄

[potent reef]

How much I spent compared to normal, about the same anyway I’d say

[frank geyser]

I have 3 or 4 visible cables in my case, one for the CPU, the 24 pin and two for my GPU, don't mind them at all

[potent reef]

Case and GPU were gonna cost that reasonable of an amount anyway, and I usually do spend about $200 ish for a board, so nothing new

[frank geyser]

yes but now you are locked in to the project zero style of case/mobo and possible GPU compare to the more normal with the cables out in the case connected to the component.

[potent reef]

Tower 300 isn’t a project zero style case, just comfy with it apparently.

GPU length is only because I didn’t want to remove the power supply cover, so I can only fit so big of a card in there.

[frank geyser]

Would possible understand if it was a custom water loop build bit for a normal I don't see the point in it. But it is your case, your money. So who are I to complain what you do?

[potent reef]

I’m not sure what your objection is really. The problems you specify are not at all an issue I have.

[frank geyser]

well a true project zero or BTF would also have the GPU power connected from the backside of the Mobo. Just to not show your cables at all. So it seems you are like halfway there to a true zero cables build

[potent reef]

I wasn’t looking for a zero cable build. I just happened to like the Project Zero design and bought that.

[earnest mirage]

project zero has not included the gpu yet. btf by asus would be the only option so far to get rid of the gpu power cables as well.

[potent reef]

Liked the design, nothing about lazy, didn’t pay more than I would normally expected to for a new build, so I picked it and it works well as shown above.

[gloomy lava]

are we going to see a intel on fire emote in the near future

[earnest mirage]

maybe a ghostly intel cpu, since they degrading/dying.
The ryzen 7000 actually burned out because of board partners not sticking to AMDs specs and used to high SoC voltage causing protection circuits to fail and let the cpu burn down. 😄

[drowsy cedar]

someone tell Thor his guild leader died in WoW xD

[azure glen]

Soda has a back-up iirc so it should be less of an issue

[sinful orbit]

that was only the 7800X3D and it was fixed really quick last year

The 13th/14th Gen issue is a much bigger deal. It's been going on for over a year, server farms, SIs and game devs have known about it for almost as long. Intel has fumbled the fixes multiple times. The fix only slows the degradation on CPUs that haven't shown symptoms, any that have are done for. Intel has also said they would replace any that had the problem but many people report getting denied. And that doesn't even count the oxidation issue which is actually a separate issue that affected 13th gen only. (But because they show similar symptoms many people attribute them together)

[earnest mirage]

@sinful orbit thanks, for pointing this out. The Problem were related to all 7000 CPUs, not just the 7800X3D. AGESA ComboAM5 1.0.7.0 limits the SoC Voltage for all CPUs to 1.3V, not just X3D. In AMDs second statement they also no longer referred to 7000 X3D, but to 7000 Series in general.
The X3D were the only one that go up in smoke, literally.
Here's something to read: https://www.anandtech.com/show/18835/amd-issues-second-statement-on-ryzen-7000x3d-burnout-issues-caps-soc-voltages

Intel can't work faster. To determine these kind of issues could take some time. AMD had a similar issue but worse which made it easier to locate in the first place, because affected parts burned out and they could just add a limit to the SoC Voltage in their microcode.
Instability could be caused by a ton of different things. The Board partners also not sticking to their specs and allow no power limits, higher currents, etc. by default weren't helpful either. They have to find out what is wrong and then scramble/check the whole microcode why it's not doing what it's supposed to do.

The Problem is, AMD, even it wasn't their fault, replaced all broken CPUs.
Intel admit it was their fault, but getting a replacement is basically a coin flip. You apply for RMA to get a new one and they may or may not say yes.

But mainly i was responding to Soul's idea of an intel burn emote and it was more like, make it a ghostly CPU instead because these CPUs are dying.

[zealous frost]

I just re-read that and i think it was the board partner thing he was talking about that affected me

[earnest mirage]

board partner, don't know if this is the right term. I refer to the manufacturer of the motherboards, Asus, MSI, etc.

[zealous frost]

yeah, the motherboard manufacturers

[earnest mirage]

i'm honestly surprised AMD and Intel don't respond to this action by locking their CPUs again like they were about 15 Years ago and just a bunch of them were unlocked and cost extra.

[zealous frost]

I mean the intel one happens to unmodified units.

it would have still been just as widespread

[earnest mirage]

it does. but they done the same dumb stuff on both AMD and Intel pattforms, which makes the whole thing with instability not easier.
You have chips degrading because of issues and ASUS, etc. pouring oil into the fire by not stick to the specs.

[zealous frost]

and if board makers are sending out products out side of specs, that is not an AMD issue. but their chips actually run better at even lower than spec voltage

[sinful orbit]

sorry, i might have been a little quick to jump on this. i've just seen so much crazy talk about this over the last few months and because Intel went back and forth on the information so often it seems like a lot of people don't have the full story

[earnest mirage]

all good. that's why i link the AMD thing. AMD talked with anandtech and everyone else was refering to it 😉

[zealous frost]

yeah, intel has been shady af with this whole debacle

[sinful orbit]

My 14700K didn't start to show symptoms so I did the micro code update. Now the damn thing runs so hot and and uses more average wattage than it used to that i swapped it with a 7800X3D. my ambient temps are genuinely 3 degrees cooler in my room now lol

the bios updates just made it run so much hotter

[zealous frost]

sounds like my dieselgate car. the fix made it drive like shit compared to before (which i never had it before the fix, so... 🤷 )

like, yeah, it's "fixed" but now it's just a shittier product than i was advertised

I can only imagine having to do that update when you have a building full of those processors. the cooling and power draw would be a big line item

[modest scarab]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SarcasticDarkPanCoolCat-rgyYByzzfGqIwbWd

Just got deleted

[earnest mirage]

stratholme?

this is the corner with the bomb dude in the upper left direction, right?

[sinful orbit]

I just saw this. He should have pulled around the corner. You can kinda blame the frost nova but Soda WW and grabbed aggro anyway while the Tauren was trying to pull around the corner

He died insanely fast

[earnest mirage]

yep, they does a ton of damage. Iirc we does a lot of sheep pulls to avoid this. But it was also 18 years ago or so, so maybe my brain may not remember everything correctly.

[modest scarab]

Apparently died due to being nuked while in Berserk stance.

[sacred junco]

https://vxtwitter.com/PirateSoftware/status/1873845077522739473?t=ZiDK9zbMxMLiyH13SEh3uQ&s=19

[sinful orbit]

Gotta do that Windows reinstall so the Windows scheduler works correctly

[sacred junco]

Hopefully so
I think he just meant copying files and not literally everything including the os intsance

[sinful orbit]

Yeah that's how I took it

[zealous frost]

yeah, he's got at least 2 bays for them since he had 2 new drives anyways

[sinful orbit]

Do we know the motherboard he ended up going with?

[sacred junco]

Nope, iirc he won't publish the full spec list until the machine is built

[sleek seal]

AMD has a sane baseline and demands UEFI start at those settings.
Intel is loosy-goosy with the baseline: "We recommend this, but you can do basically w/e you want...".
And board manufacturers are incentivized to juice everything to look better in the reviews, so they get more sales.

[sacred junco]

AMD did to some extent, police manufacture to follow their guidelines.
Whereas Intel turns a blind eye to whatever the motherboard is cooking on their recommendation

[long sonnet]

First time chatters: Buuhh, game looks like it's from 2004!

An actual game from 2004, Dungeon Siege!

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-pam-beesly-theyre-the-same-picture-the-same-picture-they-are-the-same-picture-gif-20830121

[sleek seal]

it took Asus and MSI what, 2 or 3 tries to get shit right?

[sleek seal]

hey, I played that game!

[strange owl]

Far Cry (1)

[crystal axle]

Omg LOVE that game 😎

[analog apex]

Happy AMD day!

[sacred junco]

Hell yea brother

welcome to the Intel shelter

bruh he did not install the v cache optimizer

that's like the bare minimum

[rocky spire]

AMD 24 Hour Stream spectacular

[blissful imp]

Me when bezos shows up to give me ads

[golden mirage]

The bare minimum is what is necessary to make the computer run. Its running, so clearly the optimizer is not the bare minimum. This is the exact behavior that made him not want to do a build stream. So what if he didn't do something in the same way you would, just let it go.

[slender cradle]

Hi! I'm new. Sorry if this is the wrong place or out of line/against etiquette. Thor was talking on Stream about how AoC runs on min-spec equipment. The example he uses is another pirate with a 1600. Here's a short clip of Thorville... err, Halcyon on a GTX 1080 (And 7800X3D, 32GB ram). Lots of Pirates in town, frame rate is still 45+ fps.

https://youtu.be/t-8Hypu_apg

[long dagger]

that is so cool that AoC has this mechanic of PvPers being punished

[sacred junco]

huh, sometimes my twitch chat box will just disappear while I was typing stuff on it

[azure glen]

Thor's daily AoC process when coming across caravans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oukQqrf4FKU

[serene nymph]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/TriangularBrainyChipmunkTakeNRG-GtrOsVmcvTPn-RqT

Gotta love Hubert hahahah

[ruby elm]

MY CHAT BROKE WOOH

[royal dew]

Is there a reason why he's going to Moonglade? There's a Moonwell south of Raynewood Retreat in Ashenvale..

[sacred junco]

He would be in for a treat once discovering what the hell has AMD cooked up for his 7950X3D

literally 2 CPUs, in 1 CPU

We heard that you like your cpu, so we put an extra cpu in your cpu

[rain mist]

I like the one where chatter said the game looks like Divine Divinity 😂

[potent reef]

Good old double CCD. Can be getting some used to on the 7950x3d but it’s an absolute workhorse for my 7900x

[sacred junco]

I mean him not installing the chipset driver from the sound of it might be a blessing in disguise

[potent reef]

Wonder if he updated BIOS fully either - been some improvements to double ccd 9000 series that might trickle down, but also the ability to turn on “x3d mode” and have it disable the CCD not connected to the 3D vcache

[potent reef]

Someone should have done a video comparing 7800x3d(single ccd + 3d) vs 7900x (dual ccd) vs 7950x3d (dual ccd + 3d) right? For gaming and not gaming?

Or we have benchmarks for that, like 3DMark Time Spy Extreme/CPU Profile?

All the chipset driver does is allow you to use Windows Game Bar to force games and other programs onto the vcache ccd if they don’t already

[sacred junco]

so we have this
and then this

and then cross reference to the 7800x3d

but this is also the day 1 review and not something that's recent

[potent reef]

Not bad, so the chipset driver does matter quite a bit for the x3d dual ccd chips. That being said, that’s Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p on a 4090, so CPU bound scenarios where the processor differences would matter most

At higher 1440p and definitively 4k, you’d be entirely GPU bound

[sacred junco]

Yep

he's also not care 1 bit about FPS too so it's like whatever

I think as long as the game is 60 FPS or higher, that is performant enough for thor

[verbal mango]

does anyone knows the name of the book thor was talking about earlier about cyphers?

[potent reef]

TimeSpy Extreme would be the ideal benchmark to test on that since you’d be rendering at 4k DX12 but you’d also have the expanded CPU test, since normal TimeSpy wasn’t built to handle the crazy amount of threads we have nowadays.

Running Steel Nomad DX12/Vulkan would render at 1440p and doesn’t care about CPU much at all for variance

[sacred junco]

or Unigine superposition

Cinebench 2024 also has a GPU bench now, tho that is definitely specific testing for MAXON's Cinema4D

[potent reef]

That’s just GPU torture though. You’re not trying to measure the GPU performance, you’re trying to measure how much the CPU matters to the equation

[sacred junco]

Oh that
yea, time spy is the only one I know of

[sinful orbit]

eventually Windows update will provide an AMD chipset driver, even if its a little out of date

[potent reef]

Cinebench 2024 would be ideal for measuring the CPUs against one another, but we’d already know that “bigger number = better performance” in that test

[sinful orbit]

time spy heavily relies on core count

that's why Steel Nomad doesn't even give a CPU score

[sacred junco]

They also published their scoring formula

https://support.benchmarks.ul.com/support/solutions/articles/44002136143-how-is-the-3dmark-time-spy-score-calculated-

[potent reef]

TimeSpy Extreme would factor your CPU performance on the CPU test into the final score, but it would run at 4K for the graphics tests and your CPU wouldn’t matter match to that

FireStrike Extreme (DX11 1440p) or Ultra (DX11 4k) would have a CPU physics test (which doesn’t handle that many threads) but does have a Combined Test at the end where the CPU + GPU combo would factor

It’s hard to test these days “how much the cpu matters to gaming”. Back in the day, it mattered much more than it does now

[sacred junco]

GN does test 1440p in the CPU benchmark so it should give you an idea

the load definitely started shifting towards the GPU

[potent reef]

On medium settings, so still trying to CPU bound it

Probably as low he could go before it became GPU bound. But as you see on that chart, the difference between the 7800x3d and 7950x3d is negligible. As is the difference between the 7600x and 7900x

If the gaming difference becomes negligible, the better CPU for every other task will win, so dual ccd will be the better choice if you’re gaming high enough at 1440p or 4k as an overall workhorse CPU.

[sacred junco]

I think hardware unboxed did a lot content about this
because their audience specifically kept on yelling about why they didnt test cpus at higher res

[potent reef]

That answer is obvious, there’s no point after high enough settings because you become hard GPU bound after medium 1440p in almost any title

[sinful orbit]

which is silly, when testing a CPU for gaming you need to put as much strain on it as possible and 1440p/4K is not how you do that

[potent reef]

Correct, and that also means your gains of buying a fancier CPU only matter if you’re CPU bound. You’re more likely to be cpu bound in everyday work and tasks than you would be gaming at 1440p+

[sacred junco]

That said, thor specifically buying the 7950x3d becaue he also do game dev, which does hit the CPU with all its core with various tasks

I think he's still game on 1080p because his monitors are still 1080p

[sinful orbit]

as long as its a fresh windows install with game bar updated the 7950X3D was probably the right call for him

a lot of people worry about the core parking and point to the J2C video, but miss the middle of the video where Jay says the problem is because he's stubborn and doesn't reinstall Windows

[sacred junco]

I mean if he didn't then ashes will not run as smooth as what we saw earlier

[potent reef]

You could make the argument to play a game at high settings while streaming software CPU x264 encoder. While that would be a good measurement, it would not be realistic because streaming/recording would be doing hardware GPU encoding 100%

[sacred junco]

or streaming with hardware encoder and recording with x264

[potent reef]

Game dev tools probably still old school CPU encode/render

[sacred junco]

He uses GameMaker fyi, just in case you don't know

[potent reef]

Twitch can’t do higher than 1080p anyway, so why bother setting canvas in obs bigger than that.

Also, if he’s playing ashes on the new pc, wouldn’t that be the not-game dev system because Ashes has EAC?

[sinful orbit]

some streamers are getting a roll out of 1440p, CohhCarnage streamed it for a bit

[potent reef]

Enhanced broadcasting hasn’t given me 1440p yet, but does do 1080p on down without me being partnered or affiliated yet

Best feature ever

YouTube says I have to put up more shorts or things before I can stream. Would love to test av1/hdr streaming on YouTube

But if Thor’s playing Ashes on the new pc, that means it’s the not game dev system because Ashes uses Easy Anti-Cheat (kernel level anti-cheat)?

[sacred junco]

wait a min

[silver haven]

Some Streamers also record while streaming, those recordings can be in the larger resolution

[sinful orbit]

pretty sure Riots is the only kernel level anti cheat atm

[potent reef]

Easy Anti Cheat comes up as a kernel level anti-cheat on the store page for Space Marine 2/Rust

[sinful orbit]

interesting

[sacred junco]

he's replacing the spnosored pc, because his 14900k was the one dying

[potent reef]

And people asked Thor previously how he manages Ashes for it being EAC

[sacred junco]

and I think that machine was used for kernel ac games only

but then why the OBS crash yesterday?

[potent reef]

So the 7950x3d is in the kernel AC machine?

[sacred junco]

that is a hypothesis
The fact of the matter is he just replaced the machine with a 14900k, which was sponsored by Starforge PC back in May

He has another machine with a 13900k that he claimed was slowing the same symptoms, and has basically replaced everything minus the CPU itself

[potent reef]

If he’s playing Ashes on the new machine right now and streaming, it has to be the kernel AC machine with the 7950x3d - if sticking to principles of keeping kernel AC games off the game dev pc

But then why get a 7950x3d for non-game dev?

Unless you turn off the non-3d cache ccd in bios, which could be an amazing gaming result

[sacred junco]

yea, but the missing piece is which machine is the kernel AC one
because I thought the 14900k machine was used for kernel ac, but I could totally made that up in my head

[potent reef]

All I can conclude is that if he’s playing Ashes and ashes has EAC and he’s live, that’s the kernel ac machine

He has switched between WoW and Ashes on the same stream too, so a copy of WoW is also on the kernel ac machine, even though it’s not a kernel ac game

And if you simply use a machine to game and stream, kernel ac is still not great but him separating the game dev system from it makes complete sense

I understood it to be that he’s replacing both machines, but if he’s on ashes right now, that’s the kernel ac machine

Why a game in super alpha needs kernel ac is beyond me

[sacred junco]

I think the game dev machine is the 13900k one

[potent reef]

Steam store pages are now required to disclose if the game uses a DRM solution (like Denuvo) or a kernel level anti-cheat (Easy Anti Cheat, Battleye, etc). Steam store page for Space Marine 2 lists it for having EAC and also says “requires manual removal after uninstall”, so they tell you if the kernel ac is self contained or requires removal later

[sacred junco]

https://www.youtube.com/live/GKQIyIcoygA?si=IVEUEdjC8Qgjm4WE&t=19266

here's him talking about that 2 year journey switching everything else but the cpu

so the game dev machine is the 13900k one

[potent reef]

RIP sponsored pc

[sacred junco]

so that means that for the last couple months where he's not game dev'ing at all, he's just been running the stream straight off the 14900k one?

[potent reef]

Good on steam for showing this now though

[sacred junco]

because we have 2 BSoD that crashed the stream as well

which can only means that he's streaming from the same 14900k machine

[potent reef]

That would be the conclusion if a man sticks to his principles. Thor strikes me as someone with that Totalbiscuit (RIP) vibe and integrity

[sacred junco]

that lines up with what I had heard him stated on stream

such as he uses family link to run games on the kernel ac machine to the game dev machine for game

also kinda explains why he went with the dual ccds? because he's gonna run the stream off the same computer as well

instead of family link it to the game dev machine and then stream it from there

[rustic totem]

The new year is upon us, 5 minutes left

[sacred junco]

anyway I need to finish this report for uni

[rustic totem]

We will be going first, see you guys at the other side 😆

[sacred junco]

too much theorycrafting

[sacred junco]

You must be in Asia then
I'm 1 hour away

happy new year
wait for meeeeee

[jolly sky]

Just doing a mini correction after a catchup, he uses a 1440p monitor as his main, unsure about his others

[sacred junco]

Others are probably 1080p
but yea, then the CPU will be not as important as the GPU

[silver haven]

CPU is just not broken, like the intel one was

[jolly sky]

Also in regards to Kernal Level anti cheats, Easy Anti-Cheat (which AoC uses) is the less egregious of the ones used for Helldivers 2, League of Legends and the like

Prime example, Helldiver 2 will crash upon launching if you're running MSI Afterburner upon booting the game lmao. Games that I've played running EAC will not, and specifically only run while the game is

[sacred junco]

I think games from riot will not run if PresetMon is running before the game launch

[jolly sky]

And then you gotta restart your machine when you stop playing if you want to use anything it doesn't like 'cause it'll still be running in the background

So garbage

[sacred junco]

No, it's just the game part
like valorant will refuse to launch with presentmon on, but I just need to close presentmon

[jolly sky]

Yea, but I believe if you then close the game and then try to launch presentmon (or anything it doesn't like) it won't let you

[sacred junco]

Yeap

If i want to use those overlays, I would have to launch the game and then launch presentmon

[sacred junco]

oh hey, happy new year lads

See you next month when we actually celebrate new year

[potent reef]

It’s still installed on a PC after game is removed. Not sure how steam or if steam store descriptions tell the difference on how kernel is the kernel level anti-cheat

Battleye and Easy Anti Cheat might only run while the game is running, but it’s still a kernel level driver that can read anything in memory. Valorant/League’s Vanguard is more egregious because it runs 24/7 on system start

[zealous frost]

Thor's going back to Halcyon TV later right?

[jolly sky]

Which made this chat wonder earlier if Thor is piping AoC from his other machine considering his stance on KLAC's, or whether he sees EAC as less egregious than either Vanguard, or Helldiver 2's jank-ass KLAC mainly used in Korean MMO's

[late totem]

whats streaming

[zealous frost]

He's playing onlyfangs

Wow

[sacred junco]

I think he still uses a 2nd machine for anything KLAC.
But in a normal game dev stream, he started the stream instance from the game dev machine, does everything from there, and then uses steam remote play to the KLAC machine if needed
right now the game dev portion is completely absent, so my theory is that he's streaming from the KLAC machine atm. That is supported by 2 stream crashes from BSOD while playing AoC, which doesn't make sense if he run the stream from the game dev machine and remote play into the KLAC machine

[jolly sky]

Has he played AoC on the new machine on Stream yet?

[sacred junco]

right at the beginning of this stream

[jolly sky]

Ah fair, too early for me so I didn't catch it. Well that seems to tell the whole story then

I think for WoW he'd be streaming from the game dev machine as its too much of a risk otherwise

The whole reason he hadn't been streaming WoW is because of the issues with the Intel chip, which the KLAC machine also has

[sacred junco]

I'mma timeline this whole saga with thor's perspective as best as I can here.

I started watching Thor's stream in mid april 2024, Starforge's sponsor deal started sometime in May, he received a 14900k machine as a part of the sponsor agreement.
News started circuling around tech news site about intel cpus crashing at a high rate from gaming cafes in south korea around the time I joined (I think I actually became more active because Thor was completely clueless about this issue).
Intel officialy investigate the problem on April 10th
Motherboard manufacture started pushing random power profile based out of nothing.
skips months of speculating until the tech community had had enough of waiting and seeing Intel pointing fingers at mobo manufactures.

[modest palm]

so glad Thor is doing 24h
I have noone to celebrate with so this is the most celebration i'll get
thanks thor 🙂

[sterile junco]

Happy new years (in case I fall asleep)

[rain mist]

Happy New Year, because I will fall asleep

[potent reef]

I’m sure sometime in August and subsequent bios updates as well that followed - had been done but the damage from back then is coming to fruition now

[sacred junco]

Yea, but I'm looking at the news and tts logs back then to complete the timeline

[sacred junco]

On the 11th of July, Level1Tech is the first outlet publishing theories and tips he received from contacts in the server industry on what might cause what we now know as the "Vmin shift" problem.

On the 20th of July, Gamersnexus posted their first piece about the problem, with indepedent claims and tips from industry sources agreeing with the claims Lvl1Techs published. GN was also the first outlet to have tips about possible oxidation defect during the manufacture of 13th gen desktop Intel CPUs.

The Verge's article that Thor read live on stream on the 27th was published on the 26th, first mention that he's affected by this issue, on his game dev machine (we know this machine has a 13900k later on by deduction)

[sacred junco]

the microcode patch from intel was released on August 8th, microcode version 0x129
and finally one of the 2 machine started crashing more frequenly starting since the beginning of november?

[sullen karma]

two points to thor's new pc stream. Volume is quite a bit louder than old pc and cowatching thor and Hubert, and almost a full second delay with hubert ahead of thor.

[sacred junco]

I actually prefer that, stream was previously on the line of not loud enough for me

I'm listening through my in ear plugged into an apple dongle with windows volume level at 4, and sometimes it was just not loud enough

[sacred junco]

now that I timelined this saga for fun
I think Thor was not taking any chance on dying to a CPU crash? Knowing that his 13900k dev machine is also having those problems to a lesser degree

and the 14900k KLAC machine was just digging it's grave

[jolly sky]

Yea I believe all the WoW streams were done on his main machine anyway since there's no KLAC, and I'd like to say that he's playing WoW on the AMD machine now since lack of Intel nonsense

[sacred junco]

Yea

[potent reef]

But I’ve seen him stream ashes and then switch to wow, so wow is in the KLAC machine. If he’s streaming ashes, it’s on the KLAC pc

So wow isn’t exclusively on the dev machine is what I mean

[jolly sky]

You can just use Steam Link to stream Ashes directly from the other machine, it doesn't take any effort to do so.

I can't imagine him choosing to play WoW now through the Intel machine considering that it was also exhibiting similar issues, and the risk of WoW crashing is FAR higher than AoC

[sacred junco]

god damn it now I found another loose end
since the first stream in the current (used to be new) house, his game dev machine is on windows 11, whereas up until the move it was windows 10

did he do a switcharoo? did he updated the game dev machine to 11?

yea i'm just gonna go to sleep, enough conspiracy theorizing

[wintry pond]

so, whos side are we? or are we a free spirit, just enjoying the chaos that is happening

[burnt bobcat]

I thought Thor said 24 hour stream today 😦

[marsh forge]

Did Thor say how long "The rest of new years" entails?

[earnest mirage]

took a 5hr nap. Hubert is babysitting us until he returns

[ivory knot]

so no more 24 hour stream? or is he doing that tonight? I just woke up and missed what was said lol 😅

[robust galleon]

Thor posted in Streams channel that he sleeping early. Then he start the stream again in 5.5hrs to stream through the new year.

[ivory knot]

yeah I saw that, just still confused if the 24 hours was cancelled or moved to tonight /genuine

[robust galleon]

Kinda canceled since Thor said he forgot to sleep yesterday after putting the computer together.

[ivory knot]

ahh I see

[tidal bramble]

Hubert, aka KristoferYee, is minding us. So Goblins decided "Happy new year" and breaking all his records and hype trains and bits and subs.

Damn I love this community.

So giving and nice.

[undone dragon]

I love that for him

[scarlet tide]

Goblins breaking another Streamer.

[tidal bramble]

That happens quite a bit.

A great reputation to have, of going into other communities and showering them with bits and subs to break their records.

[wintry pond]

we touch everything we brake

hug of death

[scarlet tide]

"chat reflects the streamer" is the truest thing ever said on twitch - you get the community you curate and Thor's stream is all about building others up. and the goblins try to do the same in the way that we can on twitch which is Bits and subs

[zealous frost]

"forgot" to sleep 😂

[tidal bramble]

Very true. I'd even go tas far to change it to "community reflects the person it forms around" because it's not always for streamers. Miracle of Sound for example, his patreon discord, while much smaller than this discord, reminds me of here a lot with the wholesomeness.

[potent reef]

True that. WoW has successfully given me Error 132s at random over the years to tell me that my RAM was crapping out

[polar compass]

I thought Thor was doing a 24hr stream. What changed?

Like, not upset about it, just got off stream about 10 hours ago and thought I heard him say that was the plan.

[azure glen]

He's gonna sleep for 5 hours orso and then Kris will raid him back

[polar compass]

Oh got it. Fair enough. Guess that fast sleeper syndrome is coming in clutch.

[coral oasis]

He had been up for almost 30 hours, and was in low power mode.

[polar compass]

Oh he hadn't slept the night before? Rough.

[robust galleon]

After Thor put his comp together he started stress testing it before stream, and forgot to sleep.

[short trellis]

I thought he was sponsored by Starforge at least a few months ago

[potent reef]

The star forge PC has a 13th/14th intel cpu. Those CPUs had issues with using too much power and burning themselves out. Intel has since patched it, but CPUs running a good while before patches are permanently damaged and eventually cause crashes and such. Thor replaced that machine with a new AMD machine without these issue

[short trellis]

phew that's a lot of work, all he had to do was drop in a new replacement CPU

[potent reef]

Starforge has an extended warranty and replacement process in light of that, but no way to know if a replacement may also be affected

[potent reef]

Sometimes you do the bigger and harder of two choices to be satisfied with a more permanent solution

[pine isle]

and then deal with the issue again 6-12 months from now

[forest glacier]

that was more than a few months ago, and they are the ones who gave him the machine that just completely failed

[forest glacier]

also you cant drop in an AMD cpu into an Intel motherboard, he had to get all new motherboard, all new storage drives, all new memory, and potentially all new GPU as he said he was concerned the CPU might have tainted the other hardware

essentially full PC rebuild

[burnt bobcat]

Who did he get his hardware through? Looking at doing a new build within the next 12 months

[forest glacier]

Amazon. He likely planned it with PCPartPicker

[burnt bobcat]

Okay so the normal route, just wondering if he used anyone special like newegg or something

[forest glacier]

nah I heard him say the day he ordered them "I just placed the amazon order with my new parts, I'm done."

[vagrant silo]

Offtopic but cute: Shaye just released the chaos noodles.

[forest glacier]

its a STREAM from the PirateSoftware company. I think it is VERY ON-topic for #streamchat XD

[vagrant silo]

fair point but i meant offtopic to your conversation going on above 😂

[sleek seal]

chat, why'd Thor end early?

[forest glacier]

he didnt sleep because building his PC, he should be back in about 3 and a half hour

[sleek seal]

fair

I suspected something like this

[vagrant silo]

incredible how that man can go for so long and be fine after 5 hours of sleep

I get the Thor is AI accusations.

[forest glacier]

I was gonna play games while he slept but ive been configuring chatterino filters this entire time

[sleek seal]

lad needs a bit of a maintenance, he'll be back shortly

[forest glacier]

needed a little bit of an oil change and a battery swap

[vagrant silo]

ThorGPT 5 powerd bij AMD

[forest glacier]

We love a good Chatterino filter spaghetti 😄

I was actually condensing these filters, they were longer before LOL

[zealous frost]

fun fact, he also sleeps on his back with his arms crossed or by his side... like how Data sleeps

I often wonder if he's his brother Lore

[forest glacier]

how would you know this?

[zealous frost]

been watching almost daily for a year, he's talked about it

[forest glacier]

I have too lmao I must have been taking a nap or going to the bathroom for that one

Twitch 2024 review 2269 hours watching Thor LOL

[zealous frost]

He also said he laid his hair draped over the top of the bed like it's in storage LOL

[forest glacier]

OH WAIT I DO REMEMBER THIS

That was forever ago!

It was a Twitch chat msg asking how he slept with such long hair

[zealous frost]

At first i thought he was a Dracula, but now I'm thinking more Thorg or (L)ore

[forest glacier]

I miss those streams. 2023 streams were a WAY different vibe

[zealous frost]

how do i find this?

[zealous frost]

like this but with a bigger flourish

[forest glacier]

https://www.twitch.tv/annual-recap

[forest glacier]

[zealous frost]

...yikes

[forest glacier]

huh, less days, more hours, yet half the time spend on Thor than me XD

[forest glacier]

The doig swift emotes lmao

[zealous frost]

so good

[forest glacier]

you can see my favorite pairing of emotes got captured nicely

would have been better with

[forest glacier]

you know Aquadictus got like 8000 global watchtime? lmao

[zealous frost]

deer lorde

[forest glacier]

lmao basically leaving Pirate and Ferret tab open 24/7 365

[zealous frost]

I have cats that would step on my keyboard and a wife that would murder me considering it's in the living room

I was doing that for a while until i got the CoB key

[forest glacier]

lmao I always hated living room PC. feels so un-private lol

[zealous frost]

my house has 6 rooms lol

[forest glacier]

My PC is a 24/7 PC but I use it a lot and have very inconsistent scheduling despite having maximum free time. lol I get up to things

[zealous frost]

i work at a welding shop lol

[forest glacier]

Thats kinda cool

[serene valley]

actually welding is hot because of melting the metal

[forest glacier]

god dammit red

[serene valley]

:3

so the "continuation" of the stream

for how long will that go

just regular ol 12 hours or until the normal ending time

[undone dragon]

I think the plan is right through new year's until normal end time tmr

[forest glacier]

likely

[burnt bobcat]

Have y'all seen T1's new rules for OnlyFangs since Soda stepped down?

[sinful orbit]

no, what are the rules

[burnt bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uAA6Cm5u1A

Basically level 60s need to run two dungeons a day. Any dungeon group needs at least one person live, otherwise gkick everyone that was in that group and a few other things

And no RP around T1 otherwise there will be a punishment that is TBD

[marsh forge]

wtf?

[short trellis]

it will just implode unless soda just takes it back over. has to be some kind of joke for content and drama

[sinful orbit]

everything in OnlyFangs is for content

[jolly sky]

I heard a fraction of them. Tyler1 is about to actually kill all interest in the OnlyFangs guild with the rules I heard

[burnt bobcat]

Yeah it's definitely going to be something. I'm curious to hear Thor's take on it when he wakes up

[jolly sky]

Thor already heard some of them and he was....well not impressed to say the least

[burnt bobcat]

Ohhh, what time ish was this? I'll go back and find it in stream

[jolly sky]

I've no idea sorry. I don't know WoW but he was in an Ice Area with large lads and playing with Hubert. Hubert and someone else I don't remember that was reading things out to Thor as he played

I wouldn't be surprised if Tyler1's decisions actually destroy all interest in the OnlyFangs streamers from actually playing the game

[burnt bobcat]

Found the part of the stream! Thanks for the help

[short trellis]

well I can tell you it's destroyed me even wanting to watch. I'm just kind of waiting around I'm hoping it's like a 1 day joke or something. I can't imagine how much time and effort Soda put into getting this all setup and getting all the folks to play

[burnt bobcat]

Yeahhh, worst case scenario I just quit playing HC and just go to normal servers

I have no problems doing that, but at the moment I have zero desire to help OnlyFangs with what T1 put into place

[short trellis]

I do enjoy watching pirate & hubert, their RP is funny

[burnt bobcat]

Absolutely 🙂

[short trellis]

what timezone is thor in?

[vague palm]

Washington

So pacific I think?

[burnt bobcat]

Thor is PST/PDT

depending on daylight savings

[short trellis]

ok cool

[bronze pier]

Hubert is crying for Thor to come back on...

[fleet tundra]

Hubert is probably tired of babysitting. 😂 Poor guy.

5 hours is a long time to watch goblins. We get into things.

[dire mountain]

🐣 he took good care of us, sad that T1 will kick him

[west hawk]

He has a date and running out of time to get ready 😅😅

[fleet tundra]

If T1 kicks Hubert, then T1 will see a riot like none before.

[dire mountain]

nice guild split

[fleet tundra]

Hubert is our precious boy.

[half laurel]

What are the odds that Thor and Hubert split and start there own guild and rival onlyfangs

[fleet tundra]

If he bans Hubert, then we must petition to never watch T1 until Hubert is allowed back in. Make the man lose money over his poor decisions.

[dire mountain]

I don't think the viewership overlaps that much anyway

[forest glacier]

I dont think Thor has space on his plate for that

[half laurel]

@forest glacier true

[dire mountain]

Hubert just hit his quota though

[short trellis]

ya I feel all this stunt did was divide the guild even more, and wasn't it just sunday soda was talking about how sweats won't group with non sweats even if they are in the guild, and that onlyfangs is more or less blacklisted on the server as no one wants to group with them? :/

[fleet tundra]

Well, if OnlyFangs bottoms out, I'm fine with pure AoC streams. I've been loving it.

[forest glacier]

This channel was so much more than AOC and WoW... I miss it... if both games fell through I would still be happy with a Thor stream

[west hawk]

It's drama; drama = viewers 😩

AoC will be going back to 5 days a week until...May?.., so at least a few more days of programming, other games, etc

[fleet tundra]

I was before that time. I want to see the other kinds of things Thor did. Heck I'd watch Thor do cooking streams. He's just so relaxing to watch.

[forest glacier]

yea but only after January 6th so we have another week of pure AoC and if WoW is still going he might go to that when AoC is down

[west hawk]

I believe January is going to be heavy on charity with Humane Society iirc

[forest glacier]

biggest thing should be the game jam

[west hawk]

I don't recall a whole lot of in stream discussion last game jam

[forest glacier]

the start and finish is a big thing on stream

[bronze pier]

I watch Thor no matter what he's doing. But I have come to enjoy the WoW and AoC streams for all the interaction...

[half laurel]

He's also got the warframe deal that got pushed back because of the pc problems

[forest glacier]

the theme for the game jam is announced on stream

[short trellis]

oh well it's been a fun 5 weeks or so

[forest glacier]

I remember when it wasnt unusual for Thor to go 3-4 days without leaving the software and game development category

[west hawk]

I think the push for the raids is to get things wrapped up for OnlyFangs - Soda knows it's about the content

[burnt bobcat]

Honestly as much fun as it was watching him develop Blockgame, I am glad that he has found a few games that he genuinely enjoys. It's nice to take a break from the norm for a few months

[undone dragon]

Last I heard him talk about it he was doing writing for heartbound which he doesn't like to do on stream because it's a lot of staring at a blinking cursor

[west hawk]

And the viewership has diversified as well~

[forest glacier]

even when it was primarily game dev, blockgame was an occasional thing we might see once a day. Heartbound was the main content when I got here

[burnt bobcat]

It was for me as well, but then he wanted Heartbound to be more secretive so that there weren't as many spoilers for the new content (if I remember correctly)

[west hawk]

People were upset about spoilers I believe Thor said was another reason he stopped doing on stream, along with having to get into the right headspace

[forest glacier]

he cited the community for saying that, but also, he did say even before that, that he write dialogue off stream so he can get into the right emotional state to do it

[forest glacier]

but between setting up and running an international company and running a previously 12 hours a day 6 days a week stream and running a ferret sanctuary with 50+ ferrets and running a merch store and buying and moving to a new hours and having a business line internet connection tunneled to his house and fix his computer and keep up with all the new games being release and the old games he enjoys, I dont think he has had a single moment to enter that personal emotional headspace for writing since the community blew up

although TBH originally ORIGINALLY the stream was 8 hours a day 6 days a week

it was a single content stream when it was 8 hours, and we had a 1 day a week game day when we played games, the 12 hour stream was adopted so there was time to do dev and game in the same stream everyday

[short trellis]

he seems to be doing a fine job of maintaining his mental health and if you hire enough people and the right people at that; things get easier

like idk if I could do all that responsibility now, but I'm also older. maybe when I was 30ish :)

[forest glacier]

oh yea, he knows a shit ton about psychology and the mod team has hardly changed at all over the last 13 months. He has always had the same core team taking care of him

[short trellis]

that's the thing with pro's. They make difficult stuff look ez :)

[chrome void]

Dif he say a time some where

Did

[forest glacier]

it was supposed to technically start an hour ago because he said 5 hours but he sleeps 5 hours and it might have taken him an hour to actually get to sleep so gotta account for that

[forest glacier]

The thing about Thor is he will teach you if you ask, he just cant give any legal or medical advice

[burnt bobcat]

He taught me bear tank in retail 😄

[terse coyote]

Will someone wake up Thor soon? If he over sleeps he will be cranky

[sullen karma]

I think the Hubert Goblin-sitter is getting tired 😄

[west hawk]

Hubert has a date in like an hour

[noble briar]

Thor is alive in Huberts stream

[proper bay]

he also mentioned that for the jam he’ll be working on heartbound so it’ll be fun to see that

[undone dragon]

Oh nice!

[undone dragon]

Did Hubert complain to Thor that the goblins broke all the things?

[supple lynx]

has there been an update to when it starts?

[noble briar]

@undone dragon Nah, lol

[forest glacier]

thor is speaking in huberts stream and just posted in his own twitch chat

[noble briar]

Stream about to start

[proper bay]

drumroll

[noble briar]

Live!

[short trellis]

has he a video or a pcpp list somewhere of his new pc?

[crude basin]

Does anyone know when chat gets to vote on a cursed quest?

nevermind

[sacred junco]

Nope
and there will be no content around the new pc other than him mentioning it

[silk citrus]

what cpu is in the new pc?

[short trellis]

no idea all I know is it's some AMD and I guess it's a secret

[sacred junco]

7950X3D and 4090 from the 14900k sponsored machine

we know that much

[silk citrus]

i got 7950x n 7900xtx

first time i have gone all amd... since.... around the break of the century LUL

well if ya count ATi n AMD the same thing

[jolly sky]

It's funny how many chat messages (and even TTS's) there have been wishing he had built his PC on stream or recorded it, even though he mentioned on multiple occasions that he just wanted to get it build ASAP due to previous sponsored segments that he had to deny due to his BSOD/Crashing issues as result of Intels shenanigans

[jolly sky]

I absolutely do as my first GPU was an ATi X1950PRO

[jolly sky]

This absolute marvel of engineering

[short trellis]

lol that crossfire bridge

[jolly sky]

(Before HDMI was the standed or even existed lmao)

[jolly sky]

Back when SLI/Crossfire was a thing lmao

[silk citrus]

i got super lucky when i bought this build, the guy who owned it, got a job offer of a lifetime in abu dhabi, and had to sell pretty much everything he had, as he had to travel light, got everything for 2500$, and that includes 2x 2TB nvme, n 96GB of ram

[jolly sky]

Before that was in my machine I couldn't even run Half Life 2, and I was resigned to run Counter Strike:Source in an 800x600 window and play on AIM maps (levels that had no textures)

[verbal depot]

That progress bar does not seem right... 🤔

[sacred junco]

the ghost train has really left

[silk citrus]

bought it in february 2023, and he got it new in december 2022, everything still in warranty (here in iceland there is a 2 year mandatory warranty for all electronics) , so mine just dropped out of :/

[jolly sky]

Good lord that is an incredible stroke of luck (assuming it also had a decent CPU and GPU)

[short trellis]

nice what's the rest of the specs?

[silk citrus]

7900xtx 7950x

[short trellis]

that's nice!

[silk citrus]

asrock b650 gp-itx wifi

everything in a m-itx case, and watercooled

pg-itx it shouldve said

b650e*

it was a steal and a half that deal

i actually lowballed him when i saw the ad on a local site, and you can guess how surprised i was when he agreed

he asked for like 4000+$

[short trellis]

I had a 7950x system for a bit, I liked it

[sacred junco]

the 14900k started to implode itself like a month ago right?

[short trellis]

well idk the bios fix has been out for like 3-4 months

[sacred junco]

I'm talking about Thor's 14900k

He had issues on the 13900k before the expose came out from lvl1tech and GN

[silk citrus]

had a threadripper 3960x setup before this, had to sell that build to cover medical bills (its surprising how much you have to pay for healthcare, in a country thats supposed to have universal healthcare) so when i got this for only 2500$ that was a godsend

[silk citrus]

microcode update # what? they been tryin for ages, and with every microcode update, they had to make the cpu slower... intel be on a downhill spiral..

endless microcode updates to either block a vuln, or to make sure the cpu doesnt go nuclea

r

[short trellis]

I am on 0x12b

I think it was early Oct?

actually my bios date is 9/20 so yeah, 3 months ago

[silk citrus]

bios update and microcode update aint the same thing tho

[jolly sky]

I'm sorry that you had to deal with that, and I can only hope that whatever you had to sacrifice was equal to life circumstances you had to endure.

[silk citrus]

intel management engine <<< thats teh thing that updates the microcode on yer cpu

if i remember correctly, well tired, and loud having someone shooting up fireworks constantly just outside my bedroom window..

cant think in this mayhem

[short trellis]

I don't DIY anymore, I use a high powered Alienware now. I've built 100s of systems, I just don't feel like it anymore :) Their bios update on 9/20 updated the microcode to 0x12b

[silk citrus]

flipped a semi trailer doin 90km/h (56mph). and then my boss decided to screw me over, and stopped paying me my wages while on sickleave becuz of the accident, even though he was required by law to do so, so it was either selling the computer and some other stuff, or having to take out a loan, to cover the time i was waiting for getting on disabilty benefits..

it took me aaaaages to get out of debt, after being a junkie for a decade, i worked suuuuper hard to get to not having a negative capital. so i was not gonna go into debt again.. got clean in december 2011, so now its been 13 years ❤️

[short trellis]

you just had an anniversary. GG

[silk citrus]

yep, on the 15th ❤️ thanks

[polar compass]

we need an award for people who get clean

[serene spruce]

Use this.

[sand elm]

What game is @sharp briar playing

looks like a twin stick action shooter game

[sharp briar]

its [redacted] it was given for free on epic yesterday

[potent reef]

Management engine is its own can of worms. The microcode is part of the bios itself. Management engine has its own separate firmware and only matters for Intel vPro systems that let IT admins, but folks always find holes in it - even if unconfigured

Usually system bios updates will do both at the same time though

[burnt bobcat]

Wasn't Garrona half human half orc or do i remember wrong

[opaque zodiac]

Happy New Year

[jolly sky]

Holy. Shit. You seem to have gone through, and come out the other side of, a Universe's worth of hardship.

The accident itself, whether it was as a result of your decisions in the moment, or completely outside of your control, it no longer matters, but the immediate after affects were not in your control whatsoever, and were not in any way, your fault or destiny.

Destiny is what you make of it, and you made it your own with one hell of a good outcome. Good, freaking, job.

[potent reef]

Half orc half draenei

HERESY DETECTED

[red vessel]

should break the sub train record and make Thor have a build and painting stream

[potent reef]

Space Marine 2 having Easy Anti-Cheat is dumb af though, I do like the game

[sacred junco]

bruh nice screencap

[potent reef]

This was another great gem from that video

[sacred junco]

MURICA!

[potent reef]

Pizzas per second

[sacred junco]

that is so american I'm rolling on the floor laughing

[shy tangle]

We need a greggs per frame

[silk citrus]

muricans using everythin else but the metric system 🤯

[short trellis]

did his new pc crash a bit ago?

[shy tangle]

Thor.exe appeared to have still been running on the old intel chip.

[short trellis]

yeah i'm kind of new to the stream and discord so idk what that even means

[shy tangle]

His new pc didn't crash, he was just doing a bit.

[short trellis]

ok well that's good, all I saw was chat saying it crashed and get a new pc or something idk I was confused