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i dont think he was aware at the time it that it would have been an issue
yes, that one. but what i'm saying is that i dont think he was aware of the regionlock problem
you serious
usually the publisher deals with setting up the game on storefronts and where it will be sold, so I can totally see how Arrowhead and with that the CEO didn't even think about that because he expected Sony to make sure everything was correct
at best they thought they could talk sony down and not have it be required, and they thought wrong. At best.
are some kind of Crossplay requirement
at worst, sony scammed a lot of people out of money by not region locking the game, only to do it later when they thought they were going to be sued
both make everybody look bad
there's probably a bunch of red tape in the way for AH, but honestly if they could just turn it off at the start, i wish they could just do it again. but they probably have a legal contract to stick to if they don't want to get into trouble.
Exactly. There's a contract between AH and Sony that fully defines what each party is allowed to do or not do.
And none of us knows what's in it.
oh boi, i just realized. IF AH could talk some sense into Sony and the Deal between them, there is a chance for a monkey's paw deal. Something like Sony getting more control of the game. e.g. MTX shudder
"I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further."
considering the current outrage I'm sure AH is smart enough to know that allowing Sony to do even more shady stuff is not a solution. so keeping this as it is might even be better than giving Sony more control
Sony has full control over the game. They own it. AH can negotiate with them to push their position but in the end every decision made has to go through Sony. That's what a publisher is.
I enjoy a bad company burning down
The thing is unfortunately this will have zero effect on Sony themselves one way or another. The only thing that may "burn down" is this specific game itself.
Sony, or even more specifically, SIE -- will be just fine.
So Sony is either grossly incompetent selling to these countries or is as scummy as hell pulling the rug on these countries. No win situation. I don't think the CEO of Arrowhead is completely innocent in this. Knowing 6 months ago that it would be a requirement and not having an afterthought of "I wonder if all the players can get a PSN account" is unacceptable in my opinion. If they did know about the country issue, and didn't say a thing about it... that makes them just a guilty.
I may be wrong, but as far as I am considered. YOU, Arrowhead Games Studios in this case, signed a contract. Everything Sony can, will and is able to do is stated in said contract.
Meaning they signed off on this, its their responsibility as much as it is Sony's in the end of the day.
Should have read the contract they negotiated better.
RTFM? More like RTFC.
Exactly.
There's a reason companies can screw people over on contracts all the time. Because it's on the person signing it to read it. You agreed to everything in it when you signed it. Didn't read it? Don't care, your fault.
indeed.
If lets say Person A signs it, instead of CEO B. The CEO in the end still empowered Person A to sign it in their stead as their official representation.
Now, when someone eventually pushes the issue of EULAs into court on the merit that nobody ever reads them, I'll be behind them 100%. Cause yeah nobody expects people to read those, in any sane world they'd never be legally binding.
You don't have a choice but to sign in many cases, regardless of what the contract says, because your other option is going to be even worse.
Doesn't matter, in the end you signed and by doing so is comes the required responsibilities.
The scummy thing of it all is though, Sony owns the IP, however with the way things are going it being shoved more on the AH.
What does arrowhead own on it for it to be their problem to this point by contractual obligations.
And that is a tricky thing in court.
Obviously I'm not saying AH is entirely innocent, but the franchise has been owned by Sony for many, many years now. If they wanted to make a new Helldivers, it had to be through Sony with everything that comes with that.
I don't really know why they care to hang onto the franchise and not start a new one, since I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about Helldivers 1, lol, it wasn't a huge name or anything.
But they did, and this is the result of that.
fun idea, working with valve to make tf3
we don't even have tf2:Ep 1 & 2 yet
also what is this "3" thing
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i'm gonna go ahead and say: No, i dont think i will.
Thing is there is still enough people on this planet who supports sony with buying either their console or games. Sadly this will have like 0 effect on the company
My bad I didn't realize
Sony Music is a big sponsor for tons of musicians.
Sony music is really its own company though and it's also part of their publishing division with the other half being Sony music publishing. This is the Sony gaming company. The music industry is a lot more lax and doesn't have as many regulations either unless you're part of the Union
sony is a massive, cross-industry megacorp. one video game going souuth is not going to topple them
so sony has more than one stock listed
I'm curious how many people in the America's know about section 9 of the EULA, I'd be as furious about that too
Applied on all Sony products
this did not go the way he hoped
To be fair it is crummy to review bomb a game that has nothing to do with the one people are actually mad at
That I don’t actually agree with. And that constitutes actual review bombing
Tho I’m not surprised. Getting gamers to protest in an orderly manner is like hearding cats
Yeah, it's kinda awful, but I'd also recommend sending a physical letter to Sony. Certified if at all possible, to ensure they get it.
Not many people get physical letters anymore, so this may actually surprise them.
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But man, the CEO admitted to psn requirement. They should maybe have delayed launch for those stated technical issues
Agreed. They should have put the sale of the game on hold until they could fix the technical issues.
Seems like they will need quite the autopsy
learned from genshin impact aparently. please dont do this
this I mean
it's already all over anything with sony's name on it
The internet has gone full protest
R.I.P Helldivers 2
Man if only there was a way to not kill your games
If only, dude
technology isn't there yet
It was good while it lasted. Many lessons to be learned.
As far as I understood, they worked on this game since 2015 pretty much, but Near the end the PSN demand came through. Its wild.
And I doubt they expected the level of explosion of people, that made the entire system collapse
But I dont hold too much against Arrowhead, they made their mistakes probably during negotiation, and Im sure Sony is behind the Kernel issue too
Also you have to consider that for sure Sony put forth a LOT of the budget for developing the game during the years it took. There is no way arrowhead supported 8 years of development with the entire team without Sony's financial support.
And CEO said it was requested 6 months before release.
So... The company that has a financial, publishing and basically a chokehold on your game demands this, 6 months before release, and you are screwed. What can you even do?
It sounds like Sony came to them wit this request, and its basically accept their demands, or risk their employees/company. Can they even say no?
Im willing to bet that the Kernel Anti-cheat controversy was not arrowhead choice either.
And They dont manage who they sell to, they have already explain that Sony is in charge of who can buy the game, and all that
Seems conversations are underway though
So this happened 10 mins ago
So Sony walked it back?
yep
has the game been relisted?
Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.
We’re still…
I bet you it will be after this
Let's see if they do that
seems like mass protest works. how about that.
Let's hope it's not just a red herring
Im so glad Sony backlash was so big so bad they had to backtrack, because Arrowhead warned them, they didnt listen, and the community nuked them so hard they had to backtrack
I'm not gonna trust this, unless they change the requirement back to optional in the tos and reinstate our brother in arms.
I don't see why it would be at this point because they tried to do something and then they held their ground and even their own development team was going this is a bad idea so the fans of the game made their voices heard and the dev team go look at this you're destroying your Golden goose. It's in that moment that Sony saw the fans as the enemy and their development team as the friend and if you have those two people telling you the same thing it's always worth at least an investigation and they investigated and so far they've done everything minus the PSN linking but they said they would. It's a very positive step in the right direction. Now we have to see what the dev team says as well
I doubt Sony was being rational, to me this always feel like someone really disconnected from reality aiming to farm Data, easy access to sale conversions, and good metrics
And the backlash was 100x what they assumed
Well I said from the beginning they just wanted to up their PSN numbers and look that's exactly what this was because it made sense from a business perspective and the idea was is you do this on a Friday which is a bad idea and then you come back Monday morning as a hero.. it's really bad business what they should have done was do it on a Monday morning because they could have held out but they chose to do it on a weekend. Honestly I think someone at Sony was left with bad choices so they made the worst one possible and may have gotten themselves demoted or fired because they believed in this project. I've seen it happen in business and in the work that I did with the Pokemon company international/nintendo. Yes it's really really stupid I know but sometimes stupid is all your left with and it works
Japanese C-Suit environments are vicious
You might be right
sounds like they could use some Democracy
There are two ruling committees in Pokemon for everything there's the American ruling committee and then there's the Japanese ruling committee.. ultimately at the end of the day the Japanese rolling committee has the final say but most of the time they follow what the Americans set for the rest of the world but the Japanese judges and the tournament organizers have no problem at all reminding American judges and American tournament organizers they can overrule you in a heartbeat.
I think, friday was worst, but monday would have still been the same at the end of the day. I dont know who or what motivated Sonic to push these metrics. But I work at a large company in a management position, and have seen the chain of command passing down rules that get more and more distorted into idiotic things that aim to pad some metric that someone 10 levels above asked about to look at a graph for 5 minutes.
And, there are a lot smarter ways to transform the millions of players to PSN users, not full rate conversion, but it allows you to get the boost.
1)If you link your account, for the next month you get 20% more XP for the next month!
2) If you buy this with your account linked its 0.99$
3) Special cosmetic for PSN Link.
As long as you are careful with laws regarding benefits and whatnot specially in the EU, you could easily have done things like that.
Here's one of the key issues that you bring up "smarter ways". I also work in a big company as well and I have been volunteering with pokémon/nintendo since the early 2000s so I've seen stuff like this go down in person and have been on the receiving end of it personally and professionally like Sony flash the dev team for helldivers 2 was these past few days. A lot of times stupid choices are made by people who don't know or don't understand or don't want to understand.. they just see a goal and they need it done and as for number three they were going to have a special cosmetic for PSN but they won't have that now because of the backlash really I think they'll give it up anyways. You're looking at it from a business perspective. And a very smart one at that.. a lot of video game companies and trading card companies have a lot of people who should not be involved in these areas and have no idea what really goes on outside their corporate structure.
See this?
Yeah we've been talking about it but I'm still in shock honestly because I really thought that they would not give this up because just as Nintendo is litigious about every single little thing Sony is known for not giving in on anything from their music to their movies to anything else that has the name Sony on it and this is shocking honestly
That was quick.
Well they lost half the possible countries that it could be played in.
Along with so many people in the countries that can, deciding not to.
yeah 200,000 negitive reviews seem to work
I thought this gonna be a huge war like the D&D OGL fight.
Oh yea, you are on the money with this " A lot of times stupid choices are made by people who don't know or don't understand or don't want to understand"
I see it all the time, I have seen policies enforced by people who are entirely disconnected from the reality they enforce.
The amount of buzzwords thrown around is wild. Now with AI full blast, the amount of times I heard AI buzzword in tech stuff is WILD.
So many people in power are si disconnected and demand X or Y without knowing the implications or anything behind it
i mean they saw the impact and 2 days with that many negative review and the developers siding with the players i think helped
We once had a judge from another country come down to watch us how we run our events and right in the middle of the tournament the computer went down.. he started to pack his stuff up to go home because he did not know how to run an event on paper.. so myself and two are the judges showed him how to run a 400 person Pokemon TCG event on paper.. he left about halfway through US showing him because he did not want to know and he did not want to understand.
Oh yeah 100%
The level of backlash was what was needed, and people not letting it go, was what Sony needed to wake up. For someone even higher up to hear the mess whoever demanded this from the gaming Area.
yeah just glad they saw their error
I will say they didnt "see their error" as much as "Gah people are throwing too much of a hissy fit and I got into trouble"
If I had to guess
Well this goes back to the friend and enemy thing. Sony saw the fans as an enemy the second they suggested the PSN link and they saw their development team as the friend and their best friend nonetheless telling them" hey man I know you think they're a bunch of douchebags right now but they kind of got a point and here's why". So then Sony put on their big boy pants and looked around and saw how this was affecting not only just their game but their reputation in all other industries and was like well we need to fix this how do we do that and they went to their friend the developer team I would bet and the developer team said get rid of PSN link and they said okay we will what next... That's going to be the key question what next
I doubt the person who asked for the PSN link being mandatory and ignored all the warnings learned from this
Because that person was just looking for an X or Y result
and didnt care for the rest
This is where stupid comes in.. that's the thing with it you can never plan for it you can hope it never happens but eventually it does.
true we will have to see i guess but its a start
We probably will never learn what went down behind closed doors
Who made the call, what the negotiation was with AH, or what happened in sony after this
I'm surprised the CEO talked as much as he did
very true
Like props to the CEO on how transparent he was about everything
Yeah that was the most interesting thing to me about it is the CEO came out and said well what now how do we fix this and then told everybody okay we're working on something give us time and then he's like okay here's what's going on we're in talks and negotiations here's where we are.. as for not knowing what's going to happen somebody's going to write a book about this it's just too good to pass up and it's going to end up as a miniseries on a streaming service. I mean hell they even did a documentary a few years ago about the Atari ET games and how they were found and people are still making documentaries / mini series about Atari or a few podcasts about it will pop up I'm sure.
Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.
We’re still…
Gonna be very very interesting to see what Thor has to say about all this though. I really really did think that Sony would hold out because Japanese companies tend to hold out on stuff like this
The dumb rules coming from above I have seen it over and over.
I have seen "40hs mandatory Udemy training", that they track on you. So people would just mute-play Udemy courses.
"Mandatory RTO" so a bunch of people quit, and the quality of life from multiple people dropped, performance is worse for many, and headhunting is at an all time high.
Layoffs of high position critical people that put entire projects into jeopardy, that not even location managers knew where the decision was made.
And many more of the style, choices of people who are so disconnected on the impact of what they decide because they just want their nice metrics.
I shake my fist at Nintendo every day for what they did to my dear melee game
The amount of tournaments they executed with Cease and Desists
for a 20+ year old game
Or what they did to Pointcrow
That kind of stuff is disgusting
You know used to back in the day they used to send cease and desist to websites like serebii for Pokemon and a few others and you could get banned from official Pokemon / Nintendo tournaments for even bringing it up if they told you not to and i actually had to kick a few people out over the years for bringing it up at different tournaments. Tpci/Nintendo takes petty to another level and even nowadays they will file a police reports to the point to where the cops have raided card stores with SWAT teams. My personal favorite was a card store that got raided and they found some very awful things in that card store but it was all started because someone found fake Pokemon cards in the store. It was the FBI, US Marshals, Texas state troopers, Texas rangers (. Yes like Walker Texas ranger from Chuck Norris) and local police departments... Started because of fake Pokemon cards.
lol
I know they used to be even more ruthless
But it really feels they are still so behind the times
In some areas but in others they are so far ahead
I wonder what Thor will do regarding Helldivers, he was upset with Arrowhead too, said he would never support them for this betrayal, and deleted everything.
I disagreed with his take but understood it. Though I felt he was misdirected towards AH because of the CM comments and general situation, when it was mostly Sony forcing the issue out of their control.
I assumed the situation was probably shaky in-doors with Sony, and the CEO comments confirmed it.
I think they are very backwards regarding how they let people use their stuff.
Which is probably related to how Japan handles fair use, aka not at all.
Them going against every modder of Zelda for the release of the new game was disgusting
Well different laws different countries but I'm not looking because that's not my area of expertise as much as I would love for it to be especially in something like this... I just know with Nintendo and take the Japanese part of it even Nintendo of America they really love lawyers of all kinds of all shapes of all sizes and they pay their lawyers really good money and they will protect those IPS forever
That people kept BOTW on everyone's eyes for years
Oh yeah Nintendo LOVES hounding lawyers at everything
When you try to host a small Melee tournament with a frozen Stadium
One thing that's always funny to older Pokemon players especially VGC players. For the longest time they told us that Pokemon games would never be allowed at Pokemon worlds and this was coming from tpci ( the pokémon company international) and Nintendo... Well if you look at any of the bigger tournaments like North American championships and Pokemon worlds of course... Nintendo employees run the VGC side basically and volunteers who are picked in a bunch of different but legitimate ways that help out the tpci run the TCG side and then you have the guys that run Pokemon go... Two out of three are video games that were " never going to be used in a professional tournament setting".. oh and by the way that was told to me at the time by the head of tpci in a Pokemon judge meeting at Pokemon worlds 2005.
Its silly
They also used to ban people recording their games and putting them online they also used to ban people who were live streaming their games... Yet they now have a twitch and live stream a lot of tournaments across the country and across the world.. from local store tournaments to obviously the biggest one Pokemon worlds..
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yes
Going to be interesting to see what the devs team says
Yeah for sure!
'updated on future plans' is ominous, though. Esp from snoy
No they won't do this again they would be foolish at this point... Because if they think gamers are mad now.. just imagine how mad they would be if they did it again. But yes big corporations are always ominous
Truth
They might try again later down the line
But if they are smart they might just try to down the line give bonuses to linked accounts
Its important for communities to backlash hard against publishers doing these things
I just wish AH wasnt getting as targeted
people going back to rate bomb other games of AH was wild
Yikes bombing their other games is def unnecessary
Undemocratic behavior
Gauntlet 2014 game
Magika a 2011 game
and the OG helldiver
doing this to Magicka is against the studio
Wasnt even published by Sony
People that are doing this to other games are just dicks... simple as
I still think too much hate was misdirected towards AH
Tho they did make mistakes and the CM was doing out of place comments
This is one of the things I was talking about now it's starting to affect other divisions and other parts of the company not just one game. I would bet people are doing this to their music division and their movie division and even whatever divisions they have in the Sony company with products that aren't sold in countries like America or the UK or anywhere else. This is not just hitting the video game division I would bet this is hitting the company itself as a whole. At this point it's almost a riot against Sony.
Against Sony is fine... against Arrowhead is not...
I mean, its very easy to fall down that path in the moment of anger and emotion, or frustration against the situation. Thor said he would never support anything from AH again in the heat of that day, dont know if he maintains that position now.
But people going to review bomb other games, or harrass people on their personal stuff, or the CEO when he was trying to explain.
That has no excuse.
It goes from going upset, to being toxic.
Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.
We’re still…
Enough small fires cause a wildfire and wildfires are bad. That's what this is turning into and the faster they get the game off the band list from other countries the faster these wildfires will be put out but the damage will be done because of the toxicity of the players of helldivers and other video games
Firstly, I am impressed by the willpower of the @helldivers2 community and your ability to collaborate. Secondly I want to thank our partners and friends at @PlayStation for quickly and effectively making the decision to leave PSN linking optional. We togheter want to set a new…
now to update the steam page
Oh wow that happened a lot faster than I thought it would
I'm honestly surprised they listened. I was expecting a half measure at best.
What's the over/under on stream tonight?
Kinda hope he takes it easy, honestly, if homie was throwing up. Isht sucks
wel silence might mean extra sleep
someone posted a twitter link asking if he was feeling better and would be streaming, the answer was yes, so we'll probably see him tonight
sometimes nausea is like a one day thing, happens to me a lot
Same, I am really surprised so far.
i had something like this a week or so ago. violently ill for about 24 hours and then fine
sometimes it can just be stress and not a stomach bug, i get stress barfs all the time
okay maybe not all the time, but i get them
sounds unpleasant
but yeah, this little stomach bug did the rounds through my household. lemme say, having my baby get sick was the worst, mostly because she's too little to know what was wrong, and throwing up is painful and unpleasant as is
it can be, but it's just a matter of getting the anxiety under control
aww that sucks, sorry about your baby
shes all good now, thankfully
yeah same
i bet they saw refund bill that Steam footed them and started sweating
i like the forbes argument
oh? what's that
its where they are looking for articles
i'm curious to see what Thor says about this on stream, I mean I know I've already seen some of his responses on twitter through people's links on here, but still
just so you know, forbes.com is a glorified blog platform. it's not the samething as the magazine.
k
I actually did not know that. Always thought the tone was weird for a finance magazine
"As of 2019 the company published 100 articles each day produced by 3,000 outside contributors who were paid little or nothing."
As the wiki says it's a "content farm". A place where basically randos can put up opinion pieces. Not great journalism or even opinions with real economic or research backing.
yep. most people just think of Forbes as the finance and business magazine, but it hasnt been only that in a long time.
wait a minute... Did we win?
Everything you need to know about the quality of forbes.dom is that the writers are paid dircetly proportional on how many readers they have... Leading to massive clickbaiting and SEO shenanigans...
it would appear so
Helldivers/SONY: "win" for now
Pog
obviously. But Win is Win
Helldivers took a real beating for it... Woof.... from a game like that to go from "Overwhelmingly Positive" almost across the board to "Mostly negative" is bad...
Agreed, to get any kind of concession from Sony is a win
It's a Sony BS move so i really hope Arrowhead dont suffer too much for it in the long run.
sony really circled back on monday
it went as low as Overwhelmingly Negative
but its turning around now that Sony tweeted
they did not expect almost 300k ppl going rampage
Its still going to hurt. Steam were issuing refunds, so they would have taken a financial hit as well as all the bad press of the past 2-3 days
Managed democracy wins again against the tyranny of evil
The trust has been damaged. So, the review score will probably never get back to where it was.
The reviews being low damages sales 100%
If you see a game in red like that you turn around
So probably will hurt for a while
No Sony hoped it would go quietly, they really overestimated the goodwill towards their brand.
Had a different company done this it wouldnt have been nearly as bad. It's also worth to point out it is "optional" now to link and maybe they still do it in an obnoxious way of asking you to link every time you want to play even if they dont block you... Only time will tell but i'll stay cautiously optimistic
I do hope arrowhead recovers and Sony doesnt get peoples trust anymore
Oh yeah for future sales its bad, I was more going off the immediate impact
It almost hit mostly negative on all reviews too
Sitting at like 42%
3% away
13% for recent 😅
recent reviews have gone from overwhelmingly negative to now mostly negative, so seems some are reverting their reviews
well, time to play part 2 of our engagement. Commence Operation Eagle Return 
Oh yeah its going up now. Its either that or Steam is starting to hide reviews and will later put a disclaimer when its back to normal. Kinda like this
Unfortunatly this will probably only affect Sony their PC market but not in any way the PS market. Meaning less likely and want to sell their games on the PC platform. Or atleast less of a priority coz "PC brings problems".
Yeah i know it's a terrible buisness move based on emotions but they've made dumber priorities before. I'm dead sure the sentiment in the boardroom is basically "Sony cant do wrong, this is a PC-nerd issue"
that was the plan from begin with. I sasw alot of reviews stating: that the PSN think sucks but the game is awesome and the review will be negative until the PSn stuff is gone
oh i didn't know Steam did that. also what happened to warframe? i hadn't heard of any controversery surrounding that
No idea, a friend of mine shared it with me a few days ago when the Helldivers news broke, I assume it also had a, not favored by the player base update of sorts
a quick research suggest it was al about some stuff getting reworked and nerfed
basically: ppl got mad, because their stuff wasn't clearing the whole map anymore LUL
generally, warframe is the best it's been ever so.
that's what i understand
and that claim is there because once in it's lifetime there has been a reviewbomb. back in 2022.
Yeah its weird, but it does happen. This is how steam hide/mark it. Helldivers might see the same thing
Not uncommon, steam has that tag for any period of "review bombing" no matter if it was off or on topic. Any "viral" review bombing can be reverted very simply
yeah but if the negative reviews have to do with actual issues with the game, then i don't really consider that actual "review bombing"
i think players can be mad at an update if they feel it affects their enjoyment of the game
but i don't know actual details of the issue so
if you go and click that negative spike, you can see most of the reviews are in chinese or russian. that that as you will.
oh hmm
there's even this post on reddit explaining a bit about it :D https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1374vc3/what_happened_on_090122/
i will check that out, thanks
Yeah but it might also be because a followed source [like Thor) did a review and publicly stated their oopinion. There will not organically be a rush like this normally even if it is a massive nerf. Organic whont happen in a day or two and will ramp up. That's the difference from viral bombing and not.
oh yeah this happened lol
I was like oh whats this and then read 3 words on top comment and was like RIIIGHTTTTT
oh hey they even removed the banner on steam. neat. I actually thought they would forget it LUL
banner?
PSN Accoun requierment
ah
Still shows on my steam
still shows here
jupp
I'm waiting till they relist the 177ish regions that got delisted and change the tos back
good idea
The game is overwhelmingly negative now. The damage has been done, sadly.
it's gone back to mostly negative
people are reversing their reviews, and there's still a new day
it was only announced like 4 hours ago
11k pos 14k negative today
Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.
We’re still…
100k the day before
unfortunately i dont think there is any coming back from this
we'll wait and see
it might not go back to what it was before, but i'm sure the review score will go back to something more postiive
i think there is, just need to wait
I think it's highly unlikely that they get back the high playerbase or the good reviews. They messed up massively.
some will come back, but maybe not all
I'm not dogging on the devs btw, just sharing my thoughts- to be clear.
Is OScar_bot really a bot or just a very elaborate troll 
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llm modeled from Heartbound writing
Oh okay XD
the negative reviews several hours ago was 410k now its 395k wut happened lol
I feel bad for my friend who refunded the game, got the refund denied, but they still removed it from his library. Now he's out 45 bucks.
sony walked back
If you go to the support for a removed product you can request it to be re-added to your library.
It's an automatic thing, it just does it
i see
If there was no refund you can do it
Good to know. I'll let him know.
Regarding the user that was in Ukraine and was told to buy a console to fixed their issue, they tried to use their phone to sign up for the PSN account and it worked fine. And they made a tweet about it here, So Thor is a little miss informed about it.
https://twitter.com/FurrGotten/status/1787213147180261753?t=Wu6ePoyWkNp0fMdRVg2Bhg&s=19
@TanahUmbiJalar @Jackgamer74 @MadamSavvy @helldivers2 We found the a solution that is a workaround, but we are not ment to be forced to find workarounds and the email response is still a load of garbage.
https://t.co/3rq54t4nY2
Who has a link to the AH CEO cape tweet?
^^ Also want
This one?
Also this one is pretty good.
https://x.com/RAGS_Comix/status/1787373598472347786
Yup, ty!
baller cape design
These devs know how to work with a community damn.
This will be more legendary than malevelon creek.
A list of things that were not supposed to be Turing-complete, but are.
Challenge coin for licking thors hair when?
Can someone please help me? Im trying to find Thors microphone but i forgot the name of it
Asking in the twitch chat was fruitless so i thought maybe i'll find some help here
It's a Blue Yeti (Blackout Edition)
Ah yes! Goddammit i was so close, you the best dude
Thank you so much
That boggled me for a bit
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I think that might be too many pixels, they don't have a gpu after all
I'm Watching the stream while streaming the stream while also stream the stream to the stream I'm streaming!
wait i noticed the good reviews coming back on helldivers 2 whats going on
sony walked back
(and this is why i hate how discord replaced forums. live chat has no permanence of topics)
yes really. sony really circled back on monday
oh my god
Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.
We’re still…
so whats the plan for the places that couldnt play anymore because of this
they'll probably add them back in
no point in not doing it if they intend to keep psn linking optional
probably takes some time to take effect
We are waiting
I assume steam disabled purchasing in those regions because they were unsure which way this was gonna go?
Sony sells the game
pretty sure sony handles that directly
It’s their storefront so it’d make sense they were trying to reduce the scale of the disaster until new info came out
Because steam has to process those refunds
I'd assume this was an "oh crap" moment because of backlash. If their plan was to force PSN login and they wanted to handle this well, they'd have this purchase restriction from release.
any idea how many refunds have happened?
Yeah, hopefully steam will unrestrict the regions again once the news spreads and the dust settles
You would have to talk with steam to get an idea otherwise nah probably not I can tell you about 10-30 people on the server have from what I’ve seen
It's not up to steam, it's the dev that manages this restriction, because Steam games are basically just like Git repos
Oh so it’s Arrowhead directly? Not Sony or steam?
Which is why Thor is waiting for Sony to remove the restriction 
Ah
More than likely Sony handles the game's page
Yes but Sony’s responsibility was selling the game and the steam pages
Can’t watch the stream today but I assume Thor isn’t adding back any of the helldivers channels/getting back into the game until news is more concrete?
Like, steam (page) updates look a lot like commits too 
Yes, I wrote dev but meant to say publisher
The regions are brought back was the terms I believe
emote has returned at least on twitch. channels and other stuff will return, when region lock is lifted
Lmao, Helldivers 2 was at 14% positive recent reviews when I went to bed last night, it's already up to 30%
heyo snack
Putting my tinfoil hat on, I wonder if this is going all according to plan for Arrowhead. If they only found out 6 months before launch, they too were blindsided. What if they poorly communicated this requirement on purpose, knowing it would get review bombed and refunded, hoping that Sony would see it as a bad financial decision and not go through with the requirement after all
Is Thor playing deeprock galactic later?
He said he's going to play it, I don't think he said when, or if he will today
Ah, shame
He said he might play it today
Does he reply to YT superchats?
They go into the queue
all bits (+500 bits) and superchats go to queueueuue
i see thanks
Superchat ends up costing less for TTS if you have a short enough message
Can he play with viewers on deeprock? You can custom name servers on that can’t you?
Thet goes in to the queue system as the bits also do, then when he pushes the button it says XXXxx and so on donated an amount of money in this currency as a super chat or donated 500 or more bits and there message
Can’t remember how the server list worked on that
Nevermind I answered my own question you totally can make custom server names
Guess I’m getting back into deep rock 
I'm just waking up (like 3 hours early, yay) -- Sony is no longer going to require steam to PSN account linking...but tehy're still not going to allow players in PSN-less regions to play?
Everyone is waiting to see if/when they revert the country restrictions
I wouldn't be suprised if there is an internal cooldown for changing stuff like that. I hope they already talk with valve, if there is a way to circumvent this, if there is such a thing.
thor is the person who likes hotel california right? or was the someone else?
Yeah
I knew it was the mango
maybe
I'm workingon crafting a three part message to mess with him
oooh
Yeah, I'm gonna try and finish it by the 15th so I can do it on payday
I miss this part, so Henry is confirmed to have wobble cat syndrome?
Not quite yet I don't think
We will know after thursday
what the hell is this instrument
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Apparently that's a harpejji? Never seen it before though.
It can be described as a cross between a piano and a guitar, or as a cross between an accordion and a pedal steel guitar.
weird but cool
sounds pretty good
this sounds so familiar
Has thor seen this video https://youtu.be/jVpsLMCIB0Y?si=sBUNOpWfpZIbRFuP ? Would love to know his and everyone's thoughts on it.

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I would bet he has, but I don't know for sure.
If American bread is cake does that mean we can give mods American bread?
Snuck pi to the mods, NICE
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Eyyy I got my comment read by Thor.. a simple question about subtitles but a win is a win
What's the "Emote exclusive chat" thing?
Cant type anything other than emotes in the stream atm
Streamers can change their chat to "emote-only". But Thor's stream is not set on that at the moment?
If you're getting that you might need to refresh
Yeah it's Thors on twitch and on chrome browser PC.
When i refresh there is no message and looks normal. When i try to send anything the top messages pops up and i can send only emotes
That is quite strange. Perhaps try logging out of Twitch, fully closing Chrome, then coming back in?
opened on private browsing too, same thing
Well I'm out of ideas. It might be a regional Twitch issue. Dunno.
Same region here, I don't have that issue. Odd
Dont know what is wrong being hoest with you, dont think its a local thing either sense i am also in sweden adn i dont have that problem 🤔 and if restarting didnt change anything test a diffrent browser to see if that is the problem. you can also see if its just his stream all any stream
Yeah... dunno other streams are fine.
Oh well... I'll test around and see if anything changes
Thanks for the replies
no worrie , dont want you to miss out being a gobling with the rest of us
Goblins were meant to fly!. It's why we invented private jets
Wohey, now it worked, changes language display settings
Wow cool. That was a weird one
ah that could be the case, i always have things in english bc it makes it easier to fix problems when you google for them 🤣
Hello fellow Swedish talking person... Always fun to see other who have the same language as one self.
No idea of why you have that tho, as thats only from when Thor ends his stream (like the last minute) and until he starts it back up again.
@minor nymph beer for wisest wizard
@elder shoal when you were getting it, did you just refresh, or did you do a full cache dump refresh? Ctrl+f5
can I be a youtube short?
I like history, tanks, jets and space.
Somebody fill me in on the missed meme, what is all the variations of “Michael.” from
I have found perfect logo for sony
I hate it when the Twitch Embed doesn't work as it should.
I got it sometimes with YouTube Videos too
rarely though, but it still happens sometimes for me.
You can fix the ones from Twitch. Don't know about the YouTube ones.
You just need to add ? behind the link and then more and more letters until it works. 
See!
I dunno xD
I suspect it to be a Discord patch in the last year or so. Prior to that, you could select a gif and add a comment before posting everything. Now if you try to write the comment then pick a gif, it auto-posts the gif without the comment.
THANK YOU

i didnt ask how much ram i have, i said i run fireball.exe.
does anyone have that map Thor linked of all the countries that lost access to HD2?
I don't. Did ya try Googling it yet?
Just did a screnshot of that map
So I paused stream on this.......... #YarrFab
The opposite of me
Thor's a really smart dude, but this is the one time he strikes me as losing his logic filter a little. That person could just be throwing out troll comments because LULZ, and Thor thinks they "unironically" mean that shit.
That was a goblin test, to see how many paranoia filters he can break righ tnow
🤡
Currently on break. How are the goblins behaving?
Goblins never behave
as usual i guess
These are both answers I expect.
I am sure someone already linked it while i was a sleep last night. But it's pretty good actually. the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nVanfHzRHc
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...
SGS - Standard Goblin Shenanigans
This is amazing
Damn
#YarrFab
Who hurt you, son? Only that phrase comes to mind now
YEAH
is Thor reading this chat during stream?
Thortal Biscuit. Nah that comment is true. I miss TB because he shot straight, and so does Thor.
No. Way too much flotsam in Discord for him to be able to focus on. Much less all the Twitch and YT chat he does need to focus on.
been trying to get this through twitch but that chat is so fast lol, have you seen that Sucker Punch have also tweeted that they require PSN linking for Ghost of Tsushima multiplayer. seems like they are just trying to get one under the radar
He already talked about that. Someone brought it to his attention
No, he reads Twitch and YT chat, not discord. only if a mod tags him about something in discord
ah ok cool thanks for the reply i missed first half of stream
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All the “smarter ways of catching game cheaters” left the industry when Thor went to hack the power plants 
WSN account OMEGALUL
I'm behind 7 vpns and I can't hear you because my mic is muted
to unmute you need 8 vpns
which is a niche reference lol
In other news of shit no one wanted. Googles Search Ai has some issues
Best buy FTW
For humans this is bad yes but for goblins it's fine I'm sure. I checked with goblin chat MD. They are the best doctor we have
"I went to the nerd den and there were nerds, it was wild" lol
See? This explanation of how the game sausage is made, is what reminds us of TB when we watch Thor
TB understood chat were goblins, he just didn't have a name for it
I have a feeling that TB would have liked and respected Thor's integrity.
Same
they are telling you to recycle
crow with a knife 🙂
Raid?
Gabe is the Ted Turner of video games. Ted Turner completely changed the basic cable television industry and so many other industries including news obviously and that's what Gabe is. Ted's problem was he lost focus and when he lost focus the sharks came in and took over and then they merged with AOL and for business in general that was just a whole disaster and it destroyed so many other companies and so many other lives. That's what he's afraid of with Gabe once he passes away and honestly it's a good thing to be afraid of because you can bet there are sharks or people who are waiting inside the company and even outside the company especially to come in and got it or make it into a mega money corporation that everybody hates
The second I type that into Google it auto-fills with crypto coin stuff
More or less, yeah
14K to 17K is about normalized yes.
Hopefully Gaben built valve in a way that his philosophy lives longer than he does.
between 14k to 22k depending on the content he does
hm alright
and keep in mind, he streams for about 12 hours 6 days a week
he is a champ
An analagous company here would be Apple. Dunno if Tim Cook is following Steve Jobs' vision or not.
The only crows I don't wanna upset are the ones that belong to Odin.
Mugin and Hugin 🙂
crows will not stab you if you are nice to them
didnt he say his twitter blew up (again) with this helldivers incident, something like 50k followers more.
munin*
he is getting eyes
tell them to give them back people need those
I have badgers with forks
Allegedly spypet owner identity was uncovered through a infostealer malware database. Hopefully true, the group is only sharing this info with discord, which is fine, doxxing wouldn't be the move here.
we're all doomed then
aw man
crypto boosting? damn
Did Thor just upgrade Heimdall?
maybe
havent seen any level ups, and 200 viewers left :/
and 300 viewers joined all of the sudden 
Honey badger DGAF
is that a badger?
Not just any badger. A honey badger.
Yeah those guys are nuts. They will purposely escape their enclosures at zoos to fight bigger animals like elephants crocodiles lions and tigers
They give zero Fs
looool
They're the Florida plus Deadpool combination of animals
I saw a video of a honey badger getting choked out by a python, but it just shook it off then turned around and killed the python LOL
Honey badger " ohh your choking me out .. I'ma take a nap and take you out in my sleep then eat dinner once I wake up"
You have of course seen the video of the guy who had one in his rescue, and no matter how he tried to build the enclosure, the honey badger kept escaping? HILARIOUS
Chat has forgotten we are ants not crows
LIFT (with knife)
I love that.
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I thought today was his birthday
thor is now a THORcrux
it's always his birthday
It is. Every day is. Go wish him happy birthday 😉
Even those every stream has "NotMyBirthday" as one of the stream tags LOL
Psyduck, that is a blessedly cursed PFP, congrats
English is so dumb, why did I have to learn it first?
words are dumb in every language return to monke
you hit random on spawn
🙊
Get Hugged Thor
Hahaha 😂🤣 we trolled Thor
we did it chat 🙂 💪
Crow With a Knoif
One time I made a page with every image manually base64 encoded and inlined.
at least the whole page loads in one request
That's the only way that story could end TBH LOL
dude if you're still into crypto at this point I don't even know what to do with you as a person anymore
how do you still exist with how little money you must have
reminded of the goon song from gg
ok that would be an awesome DnD 3d print
They're desperate for a lil' pump n' dump
Van Wilder LOL
that's from waiting
Oh yeah you're right
stupid but decent movie
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i don't have a 3d printer... but thanks... maybe i will get the 3d printer twitch keeps giving me banner ads for
i picked up a creality 3d printer recently. its awesome
I'd choose one that's deliberatly different, from a different website, because it was advertised to me :V
On the topic of mind goblins
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ICwM788wbZE
I am reminded of a certain joke from code monkeys...
it's the first gif...
they know
should i get filament or resin 3d printer?
i feel like those both can have a bit differing use case.
filament might be easier to learn and use
resin is a bit more messy and has more steps in workflow
Dunno, but there's a channel in this Discord all about 3d printing. Lots of smart folks in there.
tho resin print resolution is usually better.
#3d-printing 3d print under Art role
🤣 FACE for radio
thanks im going to start an argument by asking the question there
Hehe, I don't think it will. Those folks will probably say something similar to what Joni said.
That Japanese goblin punk band sounds actually more like ska to me. Without the horn section of course.
resin definitely gives finer detail, but is a much higher learning curve and more expensive to start with.
What band?!
The one that was just in TTS
ah, found it, i'm not on stream right now :P
yea this is not as goblin as i was thinking.
tho the singer definitely has goblin energy.
I know of a punk rock mariachi band
Really? That sounds cool as SHIT
Their name is Mariachi El Bronx and their best song is called wildfires.
There is missing "I hope you step on a ton of lego barefeet"
Germans... Front and center. Now you need to gnome him but in German
Sounded like every 5th word was "dick" 🤣
Ye thats the "Ich" what means I

we are goblins, but thor is a dwarve. he yearns for the underground
I here this "gnoming" thing over and over again, but I couldn't really figure out what it means. Can you enlighten me?
It's an older Internet meme
It is a meme from an older time and Thor is very very paranoid about this meme being used on him to the point to where he will even have Shay run blocker and the mods will run blocker for him however if you are able to get it past him he will give you a very special challenge coin. He has not had a gnome meme dropped on him in 7 years
And by watching Joni's link, you have now been gnome'd 😉
The Riddler's secret identity is Edward Ligma
All praise Thordon Ramsey
Also put E. Ligma here because I wasn't sure I could get Thor to read it, but he did 
Vegetables aren't real.
Vegetables are not real
you're not real
Also true
We are not real
vegetables are good
They don't exist
Because they are a culinary invention, of course they are delicious
Now it's all clear
Exactly
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what thor fails to understad is chat is not talking about the riddler, but rather the fiddler
More like Edward Eligma
music distortion?? is that intentional or nah
you probably have low latency mode on, when it lags, it tried to get back by distorting the playback a bit.
try refreshing
i can hear thor just fine is the thing
There are some Internet/gaming stories that are so big, that it floors me that there are still people coming into chat like "What's this thing I have heard zero about??"
thor gets so many eyes from outside gaming sphere too these days.
The Vatican is on Snoy's ban list
#LetThePopeDive
I think there's been a big oversight regarding the HD2 and PSN that people seem to ignore, the requirement for it has been on their Steam storepage since day 1 of sales.
It's quite easy to miss and I've played it since 2 weeks after launch as well and didnt know about the requirement since they announced it a few days ago, and I never got the in game notification for it since they disabled it due to server issues, as stated by ArrowHead
Some people did miss it, others didn't
Yeah, they really should've talked more about it
You can be sure there are reasons why that was not done
so in short, this outcome is even better now that it's not needed.
One problem is that Sony (in charge of which countries get it) didn't restrict it by country even though that was the plan.
I'm confuse on HD2, are purchase blocked countries unable to play the game right now?
They would have been
I wonder how many people know about her and the dog like actually know and have seen the episode.
Thor might as well show this too...
So the only problem right now is the list of countries that can't buy it?
Well, not really. The real problem is that lots of people bought the game in those countries, and once the PSN account link requirement was turned back on, they would no longer be able to play a game they already bought, and no way to get it refunded.
All to force people to give Sony their data
Yeah I get that part, but since Sony reverted their decision, do we have to wait until May 30 to determine they're telling the truth or not? If they are telling the truth, purchase blocking by itself doesn't really hurt anyone, does it? Other than people who wanted to buy it but can't now of course
Sony have promised to revert their decision. They have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as of now.
Technically, yeah. They could end up implementing the account link req't after all. Highly doubtful now though. But the removal of the country restrictions kinda proves they're doing what they say they're gonna do
Talk is cheap. Actions are what matters.
I could promise world peace, but I'd need to DO SOMETHING to actually be taken seriously.
For the poor fools (like me) who linked, apparently the only way to unlink is to use Uncharted Legacy of Thieves, because in the menus it has an unlink ability, and SNoy hasn't patched it out yet.
They have not removed the restrictions.
They have done nothing.
Yeah, that's what I said Alan
I thought Sony’s website had a page for that
I tried to find it but it doesn't appear to allow unlinking, only linking
This is likely by design. Intentional obfustication to prevent people from removing their hand from the trap.
I've looked online for a method and all I find is: Buy Uncharted LoT, Unlink with the game, refund the game.
Or do some weird HTTPS Decrypting and Command send
Gotcha yeah helldivers doesn’t have it implemented yet so you have to call support
What action would you have them take for their existing customers? Nobody has been affected by anything as of now, right? Unless I'm missing something, purchase blocking only affects people who haven't bought it yet, right?
You don’t need to buy it 
It removes the steam page, and the game from their library, IIRC.
Effectively, it vanishes the game.
Oh damn, if that's true and existing customers can't play, that's huge. Do we have an example of that?
I don't, because I live in the USA.
Lets put aside that you can just refund it after and the implication of this statement.
If there's anyone in an affected country, they'd know.
I mean talking to support isn’t to difficult I’d think as it’s still possible but yeah sucks you can’t just do it online.
I was asking in twitch chat and looking around on this, but everything I see says you keep the game if you bought it. I can't verify anyone has actually been scammed on this
I'd go the support angle but given I've dealt with SNOY Support after I got banned (was in a COD Zombie lobby invaded by a hacker who pumped everyone's score and left) and got no assistance beyond "all bans are final." I'll take a $50 holding fee to unlink.
Gotcha, yeah.
Context: I was a PS2-3-4 Player and I went back to PS3 to enjoy COD BO2 Zombies.
oh man you're going to break him
sauce?
💀
jk
ik its your lie in april
Oh boy is it Sad/Terrible Anime moments?
Angel Beats.
its the best writing i've seen in an anime series in a long time
It's good
and its "old" as an anime
the Terrible is the Fullmetal Alchemist reference he showed in stream
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Ferrets are just honey badgers in training
The goblins have made it inside the house
Thor got doxxed, by no one's fault. DAMN
How?
I want a hoodie and stickers
Nia Teppelin
He's gonna have to turn into Batman. Hire contractors and make them wear black hoods to and from his house 😉
You know since he has so many spy kids DVDs he should start signing them and adding them to random orders of merch
Zafstyle has graced Thor's screen!
Zafaroth aka MacGyver
Zaf is chopping down trees with a butter knife 😉
is this littleham?
It's Zafaroth
ah
That's exactly what I thought at first to be honest but no
was there pics?
did he get to the message about littleham? Something about message on telegram
Yes. He just showed them on stream
totally valid thing to do.
He works in front of a fuse box
His desk is a hall table
It reminds me of the dude from office space who burns down the building
Looks like he's literally in the corner of his garage
yeah I get all that but I'm not rawdogging my pc into the wall, it's too expensive lol
Definitely needs to get away from that breaker panel
I need to eventually get a UPS
Actual picture of @brittle rune :
Actually this one is Zaf 
This is causing me to have panic attacks inside my brain
Why is there that much dust
No. You're having me on.
I very rarely venture into any big server's general chat
I'm being serious here
That poor PC looks like it needs to be rescued by the PC Humane Society
I think I've spoken in gen one time since being here. That will not rapidly change.
That night was very... enlightening
Cause they run it with the panel off
Geneal Chat interogated Zaf for like an hour
I'm sorry I missed that honestly speaking
but they should still air blow it once a month
My software dev guide
I think the layer of dust is the least of their concerns here
He's living in a basement. That's just sad.
He doesn't live there, he just works there
Not even a comfy finished basement.
Yeah... atleast my pc doesnt blue screen any more
Nah, do what you can with what you got. Basements are still a place to live
Ohh godddd
tbf, basements are nice. cool during the hot times, you just ned 50 heaters during the cold times.
But the state of that PC is criminal
@thick ledge Your basement is amazing.
garages are better imo ( I'm living in one)
Exposed 
I just choked on my water and forgot to breath from these pics Thor is showing on stream
Bro is getting exposed in real time
I put all my game icons on one side, put random .txt files in the middle, and programs on the other side
... @thick ledge toilet pipes are bad for computers
only if they burst
oof, now I don't know if mod basement is real or not
"we have to fix this" you can only buy him a computer, though
Zafaroth: "I have everything how I want it!"
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zafaroth rn
@thick ledge you made Thor go completely silent out of confusion you broke him he had to do a hard reset
I mean I can show my basement where I keep some of the computer stuff but it's far worse than his.. mine has a bathroom though
zafaroth makes my setup looks like is sorted
and this is my console stream set up (just for streaming switch and Wii)
Much better
my dungeon.
idk man, that desk needs some sorting, but i aspire for the rest
BRO What happened to KDTD?!?
😭
.............. who?
guess i need to up my set up
your huge ass takodachi plushie
(Kuso deka takodachi)
aint no way...
yeah yeah, i forgot the acroning
ye :P
wish i could buy one (without insane shipping prices)
yeah, shipping ripped me a new one off
i paid like 70+ euros for the normal tako plushie 🙃
yeah, i also paid something similar for the ina plush
i am no longer buying vtube merch tho, since i need to save now
absolutely fair.
Congrats @viscid kraken
what was the horse thing thor was reading? i didn't understood, so i want to read it myself
Raffle a dead horse?
Shipping prices and the potential import fees, usually make not buy any merch sadly. 20 dollar plushie easily becomes close to a 60. 😛
thanks!
hey congrats mods!
Gratz to all mods! 
congratulations mods!!!!
is there a clip of how thor reacted to zararoths setup?
yup
DOn't watch them a lot, but design wise. Must be one of my favourite tentacle hivemind
Let me have the braincell now
Do you need a Telescope to stream ?
LUL
I have a bunch of random shit on my desk too, it seems it's a feature that comes with a lot of set ups
Sorry for the light, it's almost 20.00 for me
Mine 😄 Was in the evening after getting my 2nd monitor
need to clean my desk tbh
nha
too clean, photoshop KEKW
Need to eventually upgrade my life, as the laptop is on its last legs.
Ye freshly cleaned after redoing like EVERYTHING
I also have a bunch or random stuff on the desk. Like a shampoo bottle
Why shampoo
Because I haven't moved it into the bathroom. The opened one is still full and I keep forgetting it 
Lazy bum
I did move it from the floor to the desk at least, but can't find the conditioner. Accidentally yeeted it somewhere
I really need to get like a mat and monitor arms because yknow more movement 
Ha, thanks . I built that rig last Xmas. It was my first upgrade in 5yrs
The shampoo and conditioner can no longer be located in my room
Nice. Monitor risers are underrated
New Thorism "Craft my Ass."
absolutely. all by neck and shoulder aching is gone with them.
I'd love a sit/stand desk
Where they belong
Did someone clip that? "Craft my ass"
thor rping: "Craft my whole ass"
I also need to get a standing desk
I see i am not the only one with screwdriver and tape measure on the pc desk
oh dam we are sharing setups?
"I'ma do squats all over your face"
I have some aswell. On the left side on the other table 
ehh, this was after moving, there's a bunch of random (necessary!) stuff on this desk now :D
so it's universal feature
That part will be not shown since its 100% messy
Nice
Setup with self build Oak Table
@smoky vine https://link.chess.com/play/ntAcBR
Nice and snug
i hope you have your screwdriver and tape measure in the desk
Well crafted. I love oak.
I only have a knife on my desk. Not even a sharp one
nutella type knife
should i say butter ? or nutella exist out of italy too ? LUL
got a toolbox for that
have cabels in that drawer
i'm gonna tell you, nutella is everywhere.
I wish i could enjoy ff14 or mmos in general... i get to set on how good i am or useful i am
Im enjoying the broken mess of cata pre-patch
, retri paladin crashing the game
what's the thing? i was busy
watermarkj
there was a google watermark on the gw2 map
if you ceck general chat you will understan better
they removed it, but you can still see the blur 
lmaooooooooooooooooo
I see now the vatican memes 
I was levelling an Elementalist in GW2 earlier. It's a fun, casual mmo
The vatican is in the psn ban list ? 
yes
why 
omegalul
No PSN for the pope 
Pope Francis be like : 
Baltics can still purchase HD2 tho
Buy but not play atm. 
it still says "requires psn account" on steam as well btw
damn
Yes. It is not yet official. But I guess Sony will drop an official statement soon.
Like on steam, that is
The Pope waiting in his Boss Room to be allowed to HellDive again:
I've been in vatican multiple time
and i assure you, it's a perfect boss arena
It is quite an interesting sculpture though. lol
Carcosa vibes
Piazza san Pietro has countless column all around and I can picture it as a perfect landig spot for a boss
The chat 
How does he have legs!? 
I think he doesnt get it rn
it's like the resting squat, he's done it forever so he's never lost the ability
What are chances of Sony going into malicous compliance? Like fine, no PSN. But those countries - no HD2
#LetThePopeDive
#WhyGreendland?
Eagle advice....
Only cuz Greenland are a part of Denmark, but have there own public domain of ".gl" and not ".dk" as Denmark have. Same with us from Åland Islands. We have our public domain of ".ax" instead of ".fi" as Finland would have. And for that reason Steam sees us as our own country instead of a part of our real country.
That's why we are able to create our own psn profiles as SONY sees us as a part of our "main lands" but Steam don't sees us in that way
i love the look of farm folks
BOOBA
DAMN lookit all that DEBT
booba
Goblins had a lot to say today
Floppy Souls mod for DS for example
Some people never know when to keep their mouth shut 🤣
What did I miss today? 
Nothing. Just that Thor was past time and didn't realize it. Then someone in chat clued him in.
So much debt today
That number + Helldivers still being banned in Vatican City is... sus
Same people that remind the teacher of the homeworks that were due.
jeezus. just tried to sit in my chair like Thor... I've never been called out so hard by my own body.
I'm too big and my chair is too small 
I do sit with my legs crossed all the time but one foot stay on floor
One leg refuses to adapt to chair
My pants too tight
nothing? we really are calling zafaroth's desktop nothing??
cuz that crap was out of this world
it was not. it was clearly in a basement.

