PND Jake
#Cyrax
abstract swan
slender finch
#1 cyrax player here
rustic cypress
Okay what are the best kameos
slender finch
so far, sub and mavado
rustic cypress
Okay okay. I use Sareena
slender finch
sareena wont do anything for cyrax
rustic cypress
But you can kinda use her for everyone
slender finch
you want a kameo that will help maximize set play
rustic cypress
I get what you are saying. It’s mainly just to use her to extend combos But I always know there are better ones
Sub is actually a good one here. I’ll have to try that.
rustic cypress
Anyone what kameos you using here
runic oasis
cryax
there's going to be an incoming nerf next patch
cryax/cryax practucally has an infinite, unless there's a way to get out of that i have yet to discover. if someone knows do the right thing and share
slender finch
there is no infinite
you just need to guess correctly vs any mix she throws your way on wake up
runic oasis
how do you wake up when cyrax drains your meter the whole time
you can't duck the incoming throw because the bombs
you can't block the bombs because the throw
she literally jails you, the only way out is if they drop it
slender finch
i didnt say to wake up
you can duck the throw and block the bomb after
you may not be able to punish her, but you can avoid getting launched
runic oasis
no, because they don't grab until you're blocking, otherwise they'll just let you duck until the bomb
slender finch
what
runic oasis
i mean if you can show me how to do this please do
slender finch
i just told you what to do
runic oasis
yeah, i;m going to need you to actually show me, or someone
slender finch
maybe later
runic oasis
i need to see it actually happen to understand it
slender finch
i dont feel like recording a clip right now
runic oasis
i tried everything, delayed wakeups, jumping on wakeup, mashing on wakeup
can't armored wakeup because meter is perma drained
slender finch
yeah practically none of that will work
you just need to guess correctly on the mix, that's all there is to it
runic oasis
oh the only thing i haven't triued is cameo that gives you an armored wakeup
slender finch
that wont work either
runic oasis
it may not be impossible, but it's certainly improbable that i couldn't guess right even once
either way though, i'd put money on a nerf next patch
this actually makes me miss the dodge rolls from 11
slender finch
there's not really anything she needs nerfed
the only thing i can think of at most is making it so if she hits b1 and a bomb too close together (where neither can be avoided), she gets knocked down so she cant convert
runic oasis
let me see if the last match i had is still in my replays
ok, yeah one of the matches are there, since i quit once i had lost the second and i guess they don't save those replays
if you're on ps5 and want to screenshare and see what i'm talking about let me know
runic oasis
if you've got an answer this, seriously please share with the rest of the class
slender finch
literally what I said before
but in that case since that Cyrax is being super unoptimal and using just one bomb, you can delay wake up
runic oasis
but in that case since that Cyrax is being super unoptimal and using just one bo...
tried that
if you delay, they wait for you to block the bomb and grab or you just get hit by the bomb
though if that's less than optimal then that only drives home the need for a nerf even more
slender finch
delay wake up works
the way it's being time is it only works on normal getup
and again
what i said before
you can duck the throw and block the bomb in time
nothing there needs to be nerfed
runic oasis
i'm not saying i don;t believe you, but please show me how to do that
because i'm not terrible at this game, and i literally had nothing
runic oasis
fair enough, no rush
slender finch
also
runic oasis
i will never not appreciate the opportunity to learn something new
slender finch
watching the gameplay
you did delay get up yes
the throw whiffed, and you 100% could've blocked the bomb
it seems like you did everything in your power to not block the bomb
runic oasis
yes, but then she would have been able to throw again
she would have recovered from the wiff in time to catch me blocking
slender finch
trying to wake up with db3 (which you didnt ex, not like it matters because it isnt armored), ducked the throw but didnt block the bomb, attempted to press on wake up
slender finch
yes, but then she would have been able to throw again
this is something id have to test but you have to realize if she does this she isnt getting a combo
runic oasis
can't ex with no meter from the cyrax kamero
slender finch
if you dont block the bomb she'll just put you in the same situation again
if you block it then yeah you'll have to guess on a 50/50, but guess correctly and you dont be getting launched again
that's all it takes
runic oasis
you don''t understand that even if she grabs me the bomb still goes off she recovers faster and hit me with her foam again
slender finch
you're misunderstanding what im saying
runic oasis
if you think after all that i couldn't have guessed right one time, that's just absurd
if i block, i get grabbed, the bomb hits us both, she can recover fast enough to standing 1 into foam and its rinse and repeat
it'd be a totally different story she just didn't consistently drain all meter all the time
like you can easily get a poke in but you're still going to get hit by the bomb regardless and it's too plus for you to not get punished
slender finch
wow look at that the things i said that would work, worked
you can see me both ducking the throw then blocking the bomb, then delay getup into blocking the bomb
runic oasis
oh, yeah i can do a lot of cool shit in practice mode too
slender finch
are you serious lmao
slender finch
it's not like you're supposed to use practice mode to lab against a character giving you match up problems or anything
literally what i did there can be done in game
runic oasis
yeah but you know what your pre recorded opponent isnt going to do
and also you had him go for that grab way too early
no one would have grabbed that early
slender finch
so much for appreciating the opportunity to learn something new, am i right
slender finch
no one would have grabbed that early
yes they would??
runic oasis
i would, if i hadf
slender finch
wtf
i literally show you the exact way to beat it, yet you're so swamped in your bullshit that you cannot stand being wrong
the nrs community really upsets me man
runic oasis
hey lay off the salt, its unbecoming
slender finch
far too often does this happen:
player asks for help on how to beat something
another player shows how to beat it
1st player explains why it doesnt work
the cycle repeats
why ask for help if you arent gonna take what i show you seriously lol
runic oasis
but you didn't show me anything
runic oasis
ok, lets ask others to review both of these videos
slender finch
go recreate that clip in practice, but with cyrax grabbing earlier
please
show me that she can somehow grab you before you're able to get up off the ground
runic oasis
and if they say you;re right, then i will very humbly apologize and admit i was wrong
slender finch
@nocturne folio get your ass in here (when you're available)
i hate to drag you into this but if this is what it takes to make someone not be so god damn cynical then so be it
runic oasis
until they show up, i'm taking a nap
slender finch
this is part of the reason i ended up leaving the official mk server lmao
runic oasis
but i eagerly await
dude why are you so offended
do you need some cranberry juice?
slender finch
take a wild guess
you literally asked how to deal with something, and i show you how, and you tell me im wrong
runic oasis
people are allowed to disagree without getting all butthurt
slender finch
do you not see the problem here
it's not a matter of disagreement when you're literally wrong
runic oasis
i see the problem is that i disagree with you and you;re acting like i fucked your mom
slender finch
"cyrax would grab earlier"
she's literally not able to, she has to grab you as you're getting up, but even if she did do it earlier you realize that would make avoiding the grab and blocking the bomb even easier, right?
runic oasis
the thing is she's allowed to wiff the grab
and recover fast enough
but seriously i;m tired. i'd love to continue this tomorrow
slender finch
so you're saying she deliberately whiffs the grab then? because idk what else you're trying to get at
runic oasis
till then, i good night and sweet dreams
slender finch
feel free to make a clip and prove me wrong
runic oasis
not intentionally, just the fact that she can without consequence
slender finch
okay so let me see if i understand this correctly
she whiffs, the grab
right
am i doing good so far
runic oasis
it's the ultimate oki
runic oasis
she wiffs the early grab, you block the bomb, she recovers fast enough to still be able to grab you out of your block
slender finch
if cyrax is playing with cyrax kameo, she cannot launch you off the throw without a bomb
and if you block the bomb
there is no more bomb
and if she throws you when there is no more bomb
runic oasis
she throws more than one bomb or can you not count higher than 1
slender finch
you cannot be launch
?????
dude
in the video you sent
she was literally only doing 1 bomb at a time
runic oasis
pay attention this time
its a one and a two
also note that when she teleports she also drops a bomb
it only takes about 10 seconds to see that clip....so where's your retort?
i'm staying awake for this one
slender finch
woowwww i did it in practice with 2 bombs and it worked again weeeeeeeee
slender finch
in that clip cyrax didnt even bother to do a mix up lmao
runic oasis
if that's the best argument you've got then you've wasted enough of my time
runic oasis
goood day, sir
slender finch
alright then
runic oasis
buhbye
slender finch
invite trollzeyzreload
we can only do a ft3 because i need to leave soon
@runic oasis
oh come on dont run off now
alright then
we'll play later when i get home
slender finch
<@456226577798135808> get your ass in here (when you're available)
@tender shell you too btw
i think you'll get a kick out of this conversation lmao
nocturne folio
it's a strong oki tool but there is counterplay to it
so yeah the answer is just delay wake up, and if they guess your delay, you have to try and fuzzy the block and grab mixup
slender finch
literally all it takes is guessing
and if you guess correctly you don't get launched
nocturne folio
well I assume they're looking for an answer that completely solves it but it doesn't exist
you just have to guess
slender finch
usually tho, it'll go
50/50 into bomb
and if you guess correctly you're likely to deal with another 50/50, at least if she does b3 into bomb
if you guess correctly vs the throw I'm pretty sure she doesn't get punished but doesn't keep her turn
nocturne folio
but yes the answer is mixing between normal wake up and delayed wakeups
but you're going to get hit by it sometimes it's just how the character is designed
you have to take the mixup when you're on the ground
slender finch
i do apologize for getting so upset earlier but this is something I dealt with a ton in the official mk server, and that's part of the reason I got away from it
i didn't expect to deal with it here either
final grail
Cyrax combos?
nocturne folio
@final grail i know im two days late but you still need combos
nocturne folio
b33 BF1 DF2 B33 DF2 J12 DF2 J12 s1 S3 DB4 @final grail
i'll record a video cause its easier to jus watch it
final grail
Damn
I still gotta get used to bomb combos, I haven’t used this stuff since mkx Cyrax
final grail
Would it be worth it to spend a bar here or go for a air combo which ends in Ex DB4 for more set up?
nocturne folio
yea
but you dont need to do the two bar unless you wanna drain meter
i use cyrax/cyrax as a combo
i'll clip the setup for you
clip isnt uploading but heres this @final grail
i like cyrax because it gives you the meter drain without spending two bars
but then you have to spend two bars on the throw combo, cause you cant combo off his b1
you can do the same setup with sub zero kameo
sub gives you more imo i think its her best kameo
parry, freeze, projectile immunity
plus frames
throw combo
final grail
you can do the same setup with sub zero kameo
I been using Sonya especially with her new drop kick move, gives her more air options and her standard assist helps me combo a bit better.
nocturne folio
thats fair
make sure you're using throw combo
sonyas good if you wanna play strictly for dmg
but i'd suggest labbing sub/cyrax cause setups is where cyrax is broken
nocturne folio
also this works on anyone airborne @final grail
so if you do leg grab you can do s3 into bf1 and so forth
or you can anti air with s1 s3 BF1 and so forth
as long as they're high enough from the ground
you'll be able to eyeball it
final grail
also this works on anyone airborne <@531631628590776333>
Would Goro help with set up, plan bombs and do with his unblockable whilst they are attempting to block the bombs beneath them.