Mortal Kombat 1 Story Spoilers

[green tangle]

yeah i wouldnt get hopes up high for the kombat kids

takeda is a big exception because he's definitely the most popular and possibly the most story relevant

I can see a kung jin Kameo existing though

[somber turret]

i just want peacemaker to have a vigilante kameo

[green tangle]

Weirdly enough I feel like Peacemaker is going to be less weird to see in MK than Homelander

It’ll be cool to see omniman and peacemaker interacting with characters but idek what homelander would say seeing like…smoke

[somber turret]

Probably something about his not wanting to take over earth with sub zero or something

[pine veldt]

I just like thought of something about this scene

Ermac says he obeys the command of quan chi but when he was told to kill them he was definitely holding back

He was just throwing people if he really wanted to kill them he’d be trying harder than that 😭😭

[hardy carbon]

I actually didn’t see the full scene but I imagined that that was exactly how it went

Though my first thought was basically

Ermac: “We serve Quan Chi.”
Quan Chi; “Kill them.”
Ermac: “no fuck off” kills Quan Chi

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[pine veldt]

Nah imagine 😭😭😭

[hardy carbon]

Though from a lore perspective, Ermac was literally just born. They don’t know the extent of their abilities so probably figured out that they can toss people around and just rolled with it

Only tossing people and having no idea that they could effortlessly split people apart and rip out internal organs n stuff

Much less fly considering they fight on the ground

[pine veldt]

That seems reasonable

Especially since we see him trying to rip off sub zeros arms much later in the story which means up to that point ermac’s started to have a better grasp on his abilities

[glad lagoon]

I loved ashrahs tower ending. Hopefully we get sareena in kombat pack 2 or 3 if not then hopefully mk 2

[finite mesa]

If they're planning on promoting Sareena to fighter, they better do the same for all the other kameos.

I want to play as Cyrax and Sektor again.

I want to play as Motaro or Goro, just like the Trilogy days.

[green tangle]

Thing is, Motaro is a Kameo for a reason

[pine veldt]

It’s virtually impossible for them to model him as a fully playable character cause they’d need to make completely separate animations for him and every other character when they fight against him

Which is why they left him out of mk9

In order to put him in Armageddon they had to change his model to give him only two legs and it sucked

[uneven scroll]

that is no excuse now lol. they have different animations for fatalities so it makes no sense why they would have trouble here now

[surreal sonnet]

Probably too big for the screen

[past marten]

too much effort for one character

[crisp gust]

“That is no excuse” said so confidently too

Unreal confidence I wish I was that comfy to be so wrong

[last scarab]

Mk9 human cyrax was so cool

Need him back

Keep or take sektor idc

But need cyrax

[surreal sonnet]

Didn't sektor show up in sub zero ending

[pine veldt]

Imagine a fatality where someone’s legs get cut off, now imagine that but on motaro they’d have to make it completely different for it to work properly

[finite mesa]

For Goro, they didn't even bother to remove all four of his arms during a fatality.

That could never work for Motaro since he's a centaurian.

Maybe if they made him bipedal again like in Armageddon, then it could work, but it would also strip him of his centaurian status.

And that's not what we want, right?

Centaur Motaro >>>>>>> Bipedal Motaro.

[pine veldt]

Why does germs not remember kronika if she was in the last timeline? Is he stupid?

[hardy carbon]

He doesn’t remember Kronika?

He mentions her in intro dialogs.

[timid vapor]

It's a r/BatmanArkham joke

[hardy carbon]

Yeah I know but does he really not remember Kronika?

[timid vapor]

He does

[hardy carbon]

Oh aye

[heavy knoll]

wish he stayed a human for a bit longer

[serene compass]

I'll never understand how Motaro fans are obsessed with asking for him to be playable but somehow never thought about how that would look.

[finite mesa]

I mean. It was like Goro and Kintaro back in MK (2011).

You defeat them in arcade mode without finishing them off with a fatality.

I mean, there's a problem that affects most of the Shokan in the game.

If a fatality were to be performed on them, the victor wouldn't slice off all four of their arms.

[serene compass]

It's not even an issue now. The problem is that martial arts and fighting disciplines are designed for fighting at least other bipedals. It's not just that so many moves would be glitchy on Motaro - it's also that there's no reference for his animations.

Now - crazy thought - maybe if Motaro's reception is good, then he might be brought back. Maybe he'll be given more importance in the story. And maybe, just maybe, NRS will find some compromise to work Motaro in.

Maybe give him the Reptile treatment. But that's not gonna happen if Motaro's only fans bitch and moan whenever he's not playable - especially after we get the most we've ever gotten of Motaro.

Don't fuck this up.

[hardy carbon]

Turn him into a Satyr or a Minotaur* (or both so basically a two-legged bull)

Edit: Minotaur, not centaur. I haven’t played OG God of War in years.

I think he was always a horse-man.

[serene compass]

For years, I suggested that and he becomes full centaur in certain animations so you wouldn't have to work around it - kinda like how Kotal gets hit out of puma form.

But then Motaro fans bitch and moan that he wouldn't be a playable centaur all the time. "They need to make him a full centaur or don't bother."

... so of course NRS takes the easy route and not bother. But then those fans call NRS lazy for it all.

[hardy carbon]

Did anyone ever complain about Reptile being able to shapeshift between lizard-man and man-man instead of being only lizard-man or man-man?

Though tbh Reptile fans are just happy their boy isn’t a jobber anymore

[serene compass]

Exactly. And that was in of itself a compromise. Cause clearly the devs liked lizard Reptile but fans want human Reptile, so we got both.

[hardy carbon]

I like how smoothly he transforms between the two forms. Though I am a little disappointed that all his intros, outros, FB and Fatality have him in lizard-man form, I do recognise that that is his entire identity. He is a lizard-man first and foremost and he assumes human form so that people don’t vilify him for being a lizard.

Real quick is he called a Zaterran or Saurian?

[serene compass]

I think they're settling on Zaterran now.

[hardy carbon]

Either way, this is a new timeline. NRS can make Motaro a friggin’ dragon for all we care because he can be literally anything.

He doesn’t have to be a copy-paste of his Klassic self. It’s just that NRS pander to nostalgia so much that everyone expects everything to always be the same

[serene compass]

It's more that Im praying Motaro fans don't kill the chance of him actually being playable.

Cause it really seems like NRS wants to do something risky and work with characters that didn't get a lot of love. Even still, they try and keep some as kameos - probably to test the waters and see if people wouldn't mind seeing Stryker return or seeing what they could do with Darius.

[hardy carbon]

And I can tell that even with the characters they managed to make different they are eventually going to most probably go back to the status quo of their originals

Shao is trying to become Kahn again for example

[serene compass]

That's usually the case, but Motaro has less appearances than Stryker now so there's not much of a status quo for him.

I do love seeing comments saying Stryker looks better than he ever has.

My guy - that's the same look he's had in two of his 3 playable appearances.

My theory is that the 3D characters are getting love now cause the old fans are old now and this generation grew up with the 3D era so they're nostalgic now.

[hardy carbon]

Shit I just had the idea that Motaro can just stand fuckin sideways or something so that he’s still the same width as bipedal characters

Instead of being L O N G, they make him have his back towards the background or foreground when he’s in a neutral stance.

The rest of his body being in the background means it’s still there and it can still appear when he’s doing strings or moving, but he’s not as unfathomably wide

[serene compass]

Nah. Cause some moves are specifically meant for bipedals. Like Kung Lao's fatal. Or Johnny's throw.

[hardy carbon]

Several characters stand practically sideways throughout the series. Terminator puts a foot back and both of his shoulders are visible to the screen

Now the hilarity ensues when Motaro uses the Darrius Kameo 😭

Bro’s slinging an entire horse bruh

[serene compass]

I like the creativity though

[hardy carbon]

Motaro could show up in the next game, if they can Kameos because NRS like to completely reinvent the wheel with every entry in Mortal Kombat

And of course, stand literally sideways to his opponent

[serene compass]

Yeah. Exactly.

And like I said, if he sticks, they're obviously gonna try and make him work in the main roster in MK 14 or something

[hardy carbon]

Kameos are a good way to being characters into the game that don’t function as a mainline character or can be there when there’s not enough roster space.

Motaro doesn’t work as a main because he’s too long, so he is a Kameo

They could have written the Kameos better as being more present throughout the story and having voice lines in combat, but you can’t always get it perfect first try

Like from what I know so far Sareena is the Kameo that talks the most throughout story mode and she only had like three lines

Goro has one

And then gets punched out by Cage

Kameo characters could be more present in the main story and there is so much potential story-wise for Kameo characters

Remember when Li Mei, Baraka, Rain, and Sindel were in MKX during story mode (literally characters you fight) but not on the roster?
Yeah that sucked. But if MKX had Kameos they could have been Kameos, with placeholder movesets as main opponents in the story mode

[serene compass]

Maybe if they run with my idea of making him a minotaur like Armageddon but give him full centaur form for some animations, but fans gotta accept compromise.

[hardy carbon]

I’ve seen that Ermac is either a character you play as or play against in the story mode right? He’s in neither roster because they’re making him DLC

And is Quan Chi the Kameo for Shang in the end of towers or something?

[hardy carbon]

Yeah that works too. Shapeshifting isn’t a foreign concept to Mortal Kombat.

Shang Tsung shapeshifts, Reptile does now, I think Khameleon and Chameleon do too?

Give Motaro a sprinkle of Shang and he’s good

[finite mesa]

Guys.

I don't really know who's going appear as kameos in the Kombat Pack.

All we know are the playable fighters.

Most of them are from story mode (as well as Omni-Man, Peacemaker and Homelander).

But if the rumours are true, we could get:

• Female Khameleon.
• Ferra (no Torr sadly).
• Mavado.
• Klassic Johnny Cage.

[formal kelp]

it’s written on the kp1 info already

[coarse latch]

Torr for KP3

[finite mesa]

The only question I have is, how would Ferra play?

Without Torr, how could she function?

Maybe she could be thrown to the opponent to inflict some damage?

[jade tinsel]

Theyre been officially confirmed

Khameleon, Johnny Cage, Ferra, Mavado, Tremor

[lime frigate]

I hope we get Jade since she was mentioned in a dialogue.

[jade tinsel]

and btw if they weren’t officially confirmed, no leak discussion

[lime frigate]

Forgot which dialogue it was but it was between Kitana and someone else when you choose characters to fight.

[meager moss]

Liu Kang I think

He tells Kitanna to keep Jade close

Khameleon is also confirmed to exist in the timeline as a Zaterran Ungadi

[surreal sonnet]

"Keep countess jade close, she is the key to your future"

Or something like that

[lime frigate]

Yep

[meager moss]

And Mavado seems to be an Outworld native instead of an Earthrealmer

[surreal sonnet]

I'm hoping his Bungie cord is in it

[jade tinsel]

hes the closest thing to kabal so ill take it

[crisp gust]

Was Khameleon tanyas assist character in that one fight with Li Mei

She was just kinda chillin there in that scene

[surreal sonnet]

Yes, when Tanya uses the assist, she threw Milena sais

[meager moss]

He was supposed to be the new Kabal back in the ps2 days

But fans didnt take to him so they had to actually bring Kabal back

[jade tinsel]

because kabals actually cool

[prisma ruin]

Kabal's the best

[surreal sonnet]

The one and true mk speedster

[jade tinsel]

RIGHT

[surreal sonnet]

Is Shang Tsung hosting a tournament?

Saw an intro dialogue between him and ashara, saying that she should join his tournament

[prisma ruin]

Seido is supposed to be the next tournament but idk if that will still happen after the flood

[surreal sonnet]

Havik tower ending confirmed?

[somber turret]

all tower endings are canon so yes

[surreal sonnet]

So Reiko beat onaga

[prisma ruin]

Or died

[green tangle]

Liu Kang: “I can only begin this endeavor of creating a good timeline. It will be up to mortals to finish it”

Liu Kang by the end of the game: “Yeah fuck that idea, let’s get a bunch of titans to finish this up.”

[prisma ruin]

I KNOW, right!? That's why I was convinced the finale was gonna be Raiden/Kung Lao or something. Nope.

[pine veldt]

I’d imagine it’s like how Ferra was in mkx

Torr was the main fighter while Ferra kinda assisted with special moves and stuff

So maybe she’ll like hop on the users back and do a grab or smth

[waxen dome]

It’s a timeline thing huh

Like the cyber Lin kuai get ahold of the hourglass

[green tangle]

Idea for Cyborgs:
Make Kano a genius tech guy using his tech for good in the special forces but he spends a career watching his gadgets that he built being used to destroy the world and create tensions in the world.
After being chosen for another tournament along with other SF members, he’s caught up in an ambush by the Lin Kuei and captured. After witnessing their abilities and ideology, he betrays Earthrealm and the SF and uses his technology to enhance the Lin Kuei forces.

[waxen dome]

That works as well

[surreal sonnet]

And then at the end he forms the black dragons

[green tangle]

Yeah he realizes after the Lin Kuei struggle even with his help that augments beat full cyberizations. So he builds his own group, the augments being the reason for their abilities.

[finite mesa]

So Kano could bring about the cyber-initiative, right?

[green tangle]

Instead of “Kabal got some of that Outworld magic in him”

[finite mesa]

That's an awesome idea NGL.

[green tangle]

Possibly

Tyty

[surreal sonnet]

Agreed that was a really good idea

[green tangle]

Only issue I’m thinking about would be that probably means Jax either is a genius too or he’d have to lose his arms and get his arms before Kano’s betrayal meaning it might be more of an MK2 thing

[finite mesa]

Maybe he and Kenshi would meet Sonya in MK2.

[green tangle]

Place your bets on how he’s going to lose them this time 👀

[finite mesa]

Ermac? No since he's been possessed by Jerrod.
Sub-Zero? Possibly since it happened in the 2021 movie.

Maybe Goro or Kintaro could rip them off.

[prisma ruin]

its gotta be someone new

[surreal sonnet]

Frost?

[green tangle]

Yeah it’s usually in a new way

My money is on…Onaga ripping it off

[finite mesa]

I mean, Sub-Zero froze Jax's arms in the 2021 movie, so who's to say it couldn't be Frost?

[finite mesa]

Onaga is as big as a house. Did you see him in Reiko's ending?

[surreal sonnet]

Maybe a new character they can do

[green tangle]

True, I do wonder what frost’s role in this would be but if it’s anything like how Dominic wanted her to be like in the old timeline she might be good

Yeah

Onaga pluck’s reiko’s arms off

[surreal sonnet]

What if Hanzo and frost become the new sub zero and scorpion

[finite mesa]

Maybe. Hanzo was portrayed as a young boy who was taken in by Smoke during his arcade ending. We also got an adult Hanzo in Invasion Mode where he went on a rampage looking for Harumi.

[green tangle]

That’s interesting, frost could be a trainee

If they fall in love that means Frost is dying though

[finite mesa]

Or maybe, the young Hanzo could grow up to be Takeda in this new timeline.

[surreal sonnet]

I was also thinking of that

[prisma ruin]

So not Ermac, Sub Zero, Kano, or Goro

[finite mesa]

Yes, we're getting Takeda in Kombat Pack 1, but that's only an evil variant we saw during Armageddon, where he and the other kombat kids were brutally slaughtered by Kitana.

[green tangle]

I do think they’re going to shrink Onaga somehow, boom realizes that people like him way more than he thought

They’re going to Fahkumram him

[finite mesa]

Or they're gonna do what they did to Ridley in Smash Ultimate.

You know, the memes where they complained that Ridley is too big for Smash.

[green tangle]

I’d love that

We need more insane monster characters

[surreal sonnet]

They are going to do that for onaga, onaga is to big for mk

[green tangle]

The Youkai’s and Hugo’s and Aganos’

[finite mesa]

Yeah. He was so big he covered half of the character select screen in Armageddon.

[green tangle]

Haven’t had that in fighting games in a long time

[surreal sonnet]

Lol, how big is he in this new timeline

[finite mesa]

Big enough to tower over Reiko.

Also apparently, it took the might of Shao's ancestors to take Onaga down.

[green tangle]

Here is scorpion

Here is Onaga

And here he is in MK1

[surreal sonnet]

How tall is Reiko?

We can calculate onaga height

[surreal sonnet]

Dam Raiden really went bad towards the end of old timeline

[green tangle]

He is quite a bit taller than Kuai even though he’s in a wider stance, and Kuai has been 6’2” originally so maybe like 6’6”

There’s not like official heights or anything so just my guess

Maybe more like 6’4ish idk

[surreal sonnet]

So from the picture is onaga is twice and half as big as Reiko, so let say Reiko is 6'6
So onaga might be 15 feet tall

[green tangle]

Yeeeah they’ll have to shrink him for him to be playable

[waxen dome]

Or make him a kameo

[surreal sonnet]

A big ass kameo

[waxen dome]

Would be pretty cool tho

Just summon a big ass arm to smash the opponent

[surreal sonnet]

He will probably take up a third of the screen when summoned

Just realized we are not going to have a good subzero for a while huh

Because bi-han is an asshole

[prisma ruin]

Hanzo will be Sub Zero

[meager moss]

Yeah it's safe to say Reiko's not coming back for the next one

[prisma ruin]

Not really

[meager moss]

I think Shao can still be redeemed

He's probably gonna fail to control Onaga and have a "what have I done" moment

He may be a dick but at least this version of Shao believes he's acting in the best interest of Outworld

[green tangle]

Oooh I see what they could be doing…

Onaga is just too big for the game outside of maybe a Kameo but even then he wouldn’t fit on the screen and he has to because Kameo quitalities exist

But that is true that quite a few endings center around Shao’s redemption

Maybe not joining the good guys but at least from being a jobber

So

[prisma ruin]

They're already doing that kind of story with Rain

[meager moss]

Liu Kang did give Rain and Shao Khan the potential to change for the better

[meager moss]

Yeah but Rain's already had that change of heart

[green tangle]

What if Shao Kahn, subject of the draconic experiments that gave him strength, found the only way to tame Onaga is to absorb his power and merge with him to become a more usable version of Onaga

[meager moss]

Hell I don't mind Shao dying to kill Onaga

[green tangle]

Onaga’s strength and Shao’s conviction making him a major threat to Mileena’s rule

[meager moss]

And ending his life as a hero

[meager moss]

Does Shao alone have the power to do this?

[green tangle]

Well he is having Reiko fight Onaga
It could potentially be a way to show Shao’s strategic capabilities, sending one person in after another to wear Onaga down

Go in himself afterward

This timeline’s poison

[meager moss]

It doesn't seem very easy to kill Onaga

Shao's ancestors locked him up for many years with no intention to ever use him as a weapon

[green tangle]

Well its more about taming him

[meager moss]

That implies that it's not very simple to kill Onaga even after restraining him

Even in the last timeline, Shao didn't dare take on Onaga head on

Onaga even survived Raiden's suicide attack without a scratch

[green tangle]

Instead he weakened him

[green tangle]

Could be due to the difficulty of controlling or wielding his power

[meager moss]

Yeah he poisoned him

[meager moss]

Yeah but why just keep him shackled up even after knowing how dangerous he was and impossible it was to tame him?

[green tangle]

If they just try to command him Onaga can turn on them and if they try to merge with him Onaga might corrupt them

It’s a desperation move

[meager moss]

Onaga's probably Outworld's version of a nuke

He'll destroy everything

[green tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-love-gif-23515886

[prisma ruin]

Is Reiko then Oppenheimer??

[green tangle]

Basically

[meager moss]

I feel like the Onaga in this timeline is far more wild and savage than the earlier Onaga

[green tangle]

Think if Raiden can merge with Liu Kang then Shao finding away to merge could be one way we get an Onaga that’s playable

Other than that it’s like

[meager moss]

And I think after rampaging a bit, he begins to realise that maybe he could rule Outworld instead

[green tangle]

Random shrink magic is the only option

[meager moss]

Or maybe Onaga was intelligent all along but Shao and the others believe him to be a wild beast

[prisma ruin]

Now I am become death

[finite mesa]

But according to one of his pre-battle interactions with Shao, it implied that Reiko was able to tame Onaga.

So now Liu Kang and his champions are in for some serious trouble in MK2.

I'm not gonna count Titan Havik since he could be kept for a DLC continuation similar to Aftermath.

Speaking of Aftermath, we got three new fighters for MK11:

• Fujin
• Sheeva
• Robocop

Who could we possibly get if there is a DLC continuation with Titan Havik?

[lunar hornet]

As a character, havik is pretty lame to me. I hope titan havik is just the shadow force behind all the new incursion seasons and that's it. Like, he's purposely causing rifts to stir everything up.
there's just so many factions and new stuff being referenced and introduced at the end, it really could just be a huge mess of everyone trying to fight everyone.
Lin Kuei borgs, shao khan and onaga's rebellion, Nitara's vampires kidnapping people and ashrah's white lotus, Red/black dragon and yakuza, kitin attacking the zaterrans, current havik turning orderrealm into chaos realm (as he mentions in his ending), issues training hanzo and frost (who probably become rivals), enenra, the zaterran shapeshifter conspiracy. did I miss anything?

[finite mesa]

Holy.

That's a lot of unresolved plotlines.

I would love to see the next Invasions focus on a war between alternate variants of the Red Dragon/Black Dragon clans.

The main villain could either be an alternate Kano or an alternate Mavado.

I mean. It's been rumoured that Kano will be promoted to fighter along with Sareena for the 2nd Kombat Pack.

So, who knows?

[coarse latch]

That or they pull a Marvel VS Capcom 3 Galactus

[coarse latch]

I was thinking Onaga was 3 Reikos tall

[finite mesa]

I haven't played Marvel Vs. Capcom 3, but I have played it's predecessor and it was amazing.

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2: New Age Of Heroes is amazing.

[prisma ruin]

Nitara will be the boss of invasions season 2

[meager moss]

This was that fighting game with the huge ass roster

Before Armageddon came on the scene

[finite mesa]

I would call Armageddon the "Smash Ultimate" of Mortal Kombat.

[meager moss]

It was crazy how they managed to squeeze in literally everyone who had ever been in the games up to that point

[coarse hemlock]

Yep. Liu Kane is a bad guy in this game

[timid vapor]

at least semi-canon

there's some contradictory stuff here and there

but overall most are pretty canon

[pine veldt]

Why does quantum physics turn white

[crisp gust]

[restive kestrel]

Are you sure?

[prisma ruin]

Yes

They're all konfirmed

[midnight vessel]

Wait a minute... Smoke never took off his Lin Kuei Badge, did he?

[sand sentinel]

Yup they have it on steam as well

[finite mesa]

Well you can't blame him. He was a resurrected zombie in that game.

[finite mesa]

You can't really blame Liu Kang in that game.

Like, the original timeline never mentioned that people can come back as undead zombies, even though the reboot suggested that those who died always return as revenants.

So, technically speaking, OT Liu Kang was the first timeline revenant/zombie.

[pine veldt]

Poor lou kang 😢

Darrius on his way to do fuck all the entire story

[finite mesa]

Yeah, but at least the new timeline lead to his own timeline.

[finite mesa]

What did Darrius do?

[waxen dome]

Your mother

[finite mesa]

[hardy carbon]

Tried to dunk Scorpion’s head in molten metal.

[finite mesa]

Havik was guilty of doing the deed too until Scorpion fought back.

• Gets head dunked into molten metal.

• Lips and nose burned off.

[hardy carbon]

He says in a dialog that he would heal the rest of his face if he wanted to

So I guess he regenerated everything except the mouth just so he could look cool

Of course the real reason is NRS nostalgia pandering

[fair rock]

Is he even a centaur?

His legs look robotic

[finite mesa]

In Armageddon, no.

[finite mesa]

Well, they gave him cybernetic enhancements in MK 1, though.

[fair rock]

I feel like having his horse half be robotic defeats the purpose of him being a centaur

It's like if Goro's lower arms were robotic

[fair rock]

I've been on that grind

Getting koins and kharacter xp

[pine veldt]

I love Reiko so much why was he doing all that in the story

Tribal chief ass entrance

[surreal sonnet]

General shao murders an entire village
Reiko: free my man, he didn't do anything wrong

[meager moss]

I like how Reiko was re-written as being fiercely loyal to Shao instead of trying to backstab him at the earliest opportunity

[fair rock]

Yeah, it provides a nice change of pace from Shang Tsung, quan Chi, Shao Kahn, shinnok, Kano, kronika, etc. Basically every MK villain ever now that I think about it

And that's just the new timeline

[surreal sonnet]

Kronika is dead forever

A titan can't be resurrected

[coarse latch]

If Kronika returns somehow, it might be from another timeline
She could be an Edenian historian

[lime frigate]

If Kronika does come back I would hope they’d make the story better, judging by how messy MK11’s story reportedly was.

[surreal sonnet]

Hoping shinnok has an interesting reboot

[finite mesa]

If Kronika does return, it might be from another timeline instead of just a disguise by Titan Shang Tsung.

I mean, she's dead for real since Titans stay dead.

Maybe she could be someone from Edenia; maybe a historian.

Like how Shang Tsung was a con artist who sold fake snake potions to people in the new timeline before Titan Shang took hold of him.

What about Shinnok, her son?

What could be in store for him?

To be honest, I like the plot twist that it was Titan Shang pulling the strings this whole time. Kronika is kinda of a weak villain that could've be better.

[prisma ruin]

I just realized something. In Deception, we see that Chaosrealmers worship water because of its inherent chaotic and unpredictable nature, so Havik enlisting Rain to destroy Seido's capital with a flood is really fitting

[fair rock]

https://tenor.com/view/somehow-palpatine-returned-somehow-palpatine-poe-dameron-poe-gif-20849141

[surreal sonnet]

If they do this I'll be dumbfounded

[hardy carbon]

I have a GAME THEORY headcanon that Kronika’s death was undone by Shang Tsung in Aftermath

[coarse latch]

Alternate timelines, I guess

Somewhere, she’s a Titan
Somewhere, she’s an Edenian woman studying history
And somewhere, she’s the girlfriend of the Titan of the Cosmos

[hardy carbon]

In MK11’s base story ending, Liu Kang shatters her into pieces. Definitively killing her.
In Aftermath, Shang Tsung erased her while he stole her soul. If he wasn’t erasing her from existence, her body would have become a husk, not turned into sand.

[surreal sonnet]

Dam I guess they will retcon what geras said

[hardy carbon]

It can’t be as simple as just erasing a time deity from time.

[finite mesa]

So does that mean Titan Shang is Kronika?

Because he stole her soul in Aftermath, right?

[hardy carbon]

Titan Shang absorbed Kronika’s soul and has her power and the ability to shapeshift into her. He is the Kronika that appeared to the new Shang Tsung.

[surreal sonnet]

That means Shang Tsung has kronika soul inside his body

[hardy carbon]

He morphed into her and approached New Era Shang

Yes.

Kronika is a deity of time though. Even if she was defeated, I highly doubt that you can “just erase her”. Time is her domain.

It’s possible she’s stuck in the Void Beyond Time now, or something of the sort

Or she’s just somewhere in one of the farthest corners of the many realms, where she’ll never be able to come back and reclaim her true power

[surreal sonnet]

You know when mk1 was in early release and people were posting story spoilers on Tik Tok , I thought geras was going to betray Lui Kang but I guess that was just dark geras. I'm glad geras is on the good side

[hardy carbon]

Glad I don’t have TT lmao

Sounds like people trying to “I CALLED IT I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN” based on zero evidence whatsoever

Geras is always aligned with whoever controls the Hourglass. This is a fact. Does “Duty is my highest calling” mean nothing to those people?

And he clearly prefers Liu Kang over Kronika so he would have no reason to betray him even if he could

I figure that’s the reason he was such a jobber in MK11. Sick and fucking tired of Kronika’s bullshit, pulls his punches and lets people kick his ass hoping to GOD that someone finally kills the bitch.

He can’t betray her, but he can fail her.

[surreal sonnet]

Fr he got a boss he actually enjoys for once in eons

[hardy carbon]

I wonder who the one Keeper before Kronika was.

People say it’s The One Being but… he was everything. Doesn’t make sense.

Like he was time, he was space, he was literally everything that existed until the Elder Gods got rid of him. Why would he be the keeper of time if he was time itself?

[surreal sonnet]

Didn't know there was a keeper before kronika

[hardy carbon]

In a pre-fight dialogue between Sindel and Geras, she asks if there were any other keepers of time before Kronika. Geras says there was one.

[surreal sonnet]

Interesting I wonder if they will explore this idea further

[hardy carbon]

It would be interesting

inb4 it’s Titan Havik

[serene compass]

Or the ONE Being

[coarse latch]

i (and probably many other people) think Havik came after Kronk

[hardy carbon]

I was joking about that

Also I love ‘Kronk’ instead of Kronika and am definitely going to use that

[serene compass]

It's NRS. Would you put it past them?

[coarse latch]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-lever-ban-hammer-gif-12839321

[hardy carbon]

That’s the fucking entire story of MK11 honestly

[serene compass]

I was thinking this but with Kronika

[coarse latch]

Stonks.

[hardy carbon]

It’s so incredible that she managed to fuck it up so bad that the timeline splintered infinitely and MK became a multiverse.

It just makes her even more stupid in hindsight

[coarse latch]

Sadly, I don’t get it

[hardy carbon]

The time quake was the effect of the ‘wrong lever’ bringing past characters to the present

[surreal sonnet]

Time God want a perfect timeline and she keep messing up and started all over

[hardy carbon]

All she needed to do was send Geras to get the Jinsei and the crown.
Instead she brought past heroes to the present and kicked off a war that didn’t need to happen, and lost everything.

[coarse latch]

I see

[hardy carbon]

She didn’t need anyone to protect the Hourglass because there was no one to threaten it in the first place

Nobody knew she existed

Nobody was coming for her or her power

[surreal sonnet]

Well this can be easily explained, she was going crazy

[hardy carbon]

That’s even worse.

“Villain loses because they’re mentally ill.”

[coarse latch]

Also why didn’t Kronika just freeze the goodies in time and throw their frozen selves into a brothel or whatever

[hardy carbon]

LMFAOOOO

Well the Shaolin aren’t into that

Neither is Raiden

Past Johnny would never leave that place

At any passing moment she could have just frozen and killed everyone that could threaten her plan. She just doesn’t. For no reason

[coarse latch]

If she’s afraid of Raiden and Liu Kang merging
Just drown Liu Kang in the nearest pot of beef stew

[craggy apex]

why didnt she just throw Liu Kang into the void with Fujin, Nightwolf and Shang Tsung

[hardy carbon]

Before the time quake, Dark Raiden and Revenant Liu Kang were already trying to kill each other.

If she left it tf alone for a while one of them would have killed the other and then there’s nobody to threaten her

[craggy apex]

yeah but they were both evil and she needed Balance

[hardy carbon]

Balance was only an issue when Shinnok got capped

[surreal sonnet]

Kronika when shinnok got "killed"
MY BABY BOY!!!!!

[serene compass]

Kung Jin would be the first to leave.

Or he'd look around, look disappointed for some reason, and then leave.

[hardy carbon]

Kung Jin when he gets teleported into a brothel:

[surreal sonnet]

LMAO

[past marten]

LMFAOO

[serene compass]

Me: Is this an Outworld Brothel?

Kronika: Okay, fine. Motaro, distract him.

Me:

Clowning on myself.
Cause I don't want people think I'm being derogatory with Kung Jin

[surreal sonnet]

Motaro district

[finite mesa]

Aside from Cassie, Takeda and Jacqui, Jin has to be my favourite.

I really want to see him return for MK1.

Is there anyone out there who likes those 4 characters during Mortal Kombat X's run?

Or to some extent, MK 11's run?

[surreal sonnet]

There is a dialogue of Johnny cage and scorpion, talking about Johnny big brother. Then I scrolled down in the comments and say this

I think that will be interesting

And then in another Johnny intro, he said his mother was a cop

[prisma ruin]

Maybe Stryker IS his mom

[crisp gust]

In another timeline thats canon.

Sorry i dont make the rules talk to Ed.

[surreal sonnet]

Ed no pls

Don't make Stryker Johnny's mom

[crisp gust]

[vocal swan]

What do you think Liu Kang Timeline Harumi's powers would be? My guess would be sakura petals.

[surreal sonnet]

This is the first time she is alive in this timeline

[surreal sonnet]

But that's a pretty cool idea tho

[coarse latch]

If Harumi does have powers, it should definitely be something to do with flowers

Roses, sakura blossoms and stuff

[lunar hornet]

The name Harumi is girl's name meaning "beautiful spring; clear weather". Sweet and springy Japanese name.

Sakura petals would make too much sense

could she use herbal fragrances to debuff opponents?

she's got the sakura blooms all over her dress too.

it would be a shame if bihan killed her, tbh.

is scorpion, in every timeline, doomed to have a vengeance arc?

[hardy carbon]

The characters reference Hanzo Hasashi’s rage in pre-fight dialogs

[lunar hornet]

although hanzo might have it tied to him cuz yeah, ^

[hardy carbon]

Kuai Liang doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to be consumed by vengeance but you better believe he will FUBAR everything if Bi-Han fucks around a bit too much

[lunar hornet]

true

[hardy carbon]

He nearly killed Bi-Han himself when he was chained up. If it wasn’t for Shao and the Outworlders, Bi-Han would have been turned into Noob Saibot in the first game

[coarse latch]

If he does
Then

Onryō Harumi
Onryō Harumi
Onryō Harumi

[hardy carbon]

I figure that Hanzo is gonna become a character in the next game or the game after, depending on all this timeline multiverse kerfuffle

Or he’s gonna become a Kombat Kid when he turns fifteen or sixteen or smth

(Or eighteen because killing children is strictly not allowed in media)

[coarse latch]

yay, brutalizing a teenager

[hardy carbon]

I mean we already do that to Cass, Jacqui, Takeda, and Jin so…

[coarse latch]

I kinda assumed they were young adults

[hardy carbon]

Now whether Hanzo’s just gonna be an angry mofo or have fire powers or something remains to be seen but I could see him being like… ‘Frost but Fire’ y’know?

[lunar hornet]

so next game or expansion we should at least see a young hanzo and frost learning from scorp and sub0, respectively, right?

[hardy carbon]

Frost is Kuai’s apprentice in the previous timeline. Hanzo is Kuai’s apprentice in this one

Or is he Smoke’s apprentice?

I forget

[lunar hornet]

and then we get the karate kid and kobra kai arcs?

[coarse latch]

Frost could be Bi-Han apprentice

[lunar hornet]

with the students? xD

[hardy carbon]

Possibly lmao

Remind me real quick, is Hanzo the apprentice of Tomas or Kuai?

[coarse latch]

And Jarek could be Kano’s apprentice

Or son, who knows

[hardy carbon]

I know Tomas took him in after he tried to attack him

[lunar hornet]

Shao Khan tells Bihan that frost plans to take his place in one fight intro

[hardy carbon]

But Kuai is training him too

[hardy carbon]

Interesting

[coarse latch]

Simple solution: both

[hardy carbon]

Aye

[lunar hornet]

and then raiden was supposed to fight hanzo in his training for a test but then Kuai said he wasn't ready yet

[coarse latch]

Y’all think Shujinko will be mk13 protagonist?

[hardy carbon]

This Raiden would shitstomp 80% of the roster without issue

I know that holds true for the previous Raiden of course but that Raiden was a divine. This one is just some farmer boy with lightning powers and he is slapping everyone silly

[lunar hornet]

imagine frost kills bihan in a sneak attack and sektor turns his body into cyber sub zero and his soul becomes noob in netherworld

[coarse latch]

Ooh, interesting

i kinda like the idea of noob being the manifestation of bi-Han’s darkness tho

maybe quan chi had something to do with it

something like dark scorpion in MK onslaught

[lunar hornet]

i mean yeah, his dark ambitions give his soul a new body to manifest while his old flesh gets cyberized like robocop or something.

[hardy carbon]

What if they try to help quell Hanzo’s rage by literally removing it from him, and that rage becomes Saibot?

They’ve been saying that Hanzo’s rage is problematic and if they can’t sort it out with training and discipline they may resort to magical measures, assuming that it’s bad enough that they have no other option.

[lunar hornet]

hard to say. even Raiden is going to scorpion to train to control and harness the power of rage, so it won't control him like past timelines raiden

plus, Harumi is in the picture... unless she's not and then everyone goes on a rampage.

[finite mesa]

Imagine we got Kabal in Kombat Pack 2.

[hardy carbon]

I hope if we do get Kabal and the SF in the main roster they come with an expansion to the story mode

[jade tinsel]

id like that please

please

[modest nexus]

THEY WHITE WASHED QUAN CHI😭

MILEENAS LESBIAN?!

[hardy carbon]

Mileena was bi in the NRS timeline

Assuming MKX’s dialog of Johnny taunting her about fucking Baraka is canon

But she’s also with Tanya.

And in the reboot, yes she and Tanya have a thing.

And how was Quan Chi ‘white washed’?

Like… he’s always been white.

I mean white skinned. Pasty white mf

Is it a voice actor thing?

[modest nexus]

Wasnt aware

Thats neat

[modest nexus]

It was a joke

[hardy carbon]

Oh aye

[modest nexus]

Im aware he was always pasty

No fucking way reptiles throwing hands with Shao😭

Bros fs dying

[hardy carbon]

Shao’s a villain. He’s always gonna get his ass beat

[prisma ruin]

This Shao is severely nerfed

Thanks to Liu Kang

[modest nexus]

…holy fuck

We live in a world where reptile beat shaos ass

This timelines goated

He said deadly alliance‼️‼️‼️

OH GOD WHY DOES SMOKE LOOK LIKE THAT

LMAOOOOO

HE LOOKS 20 FROM HIS NOSE UP AND 60 NOSE DOWN

[finite mesa]

Reptile/Syzoth is probably at his most likeable in this game.

[finite mesa]

I don't care if they put him in as a playable/kameo fighter, I want to see my boy back.

[jade tinsel]

right???

well yknow i would prefer main playable but ykk

[lunar hornet]

same with baraka. and rain.

[daring saddle]

I can't think of a single character I hated in this game

They're all pretty likeable

[finite mesa]

The only character I didn't like was Shang Tsung; his Titan variant to be precise.

He almost made us believe that Kronika has returned.

But we were quite relieved that it was just him impersonating her.

We thought it was going to be another "Somehow, Palpatine returned" moment.

Story-wise, his motivation is basically:

"I wanna combine every single timeline so I can take all of them over! Mwahahahah!"

It's kinda like Shao Kahn's goal in the previous games where he wanted to merge Earthrealm with Outworld.

The only thing I can really compliment about him, is that he managed to turn Mortal Kombat 1 into Avengers: Secret Wars with the whole "Multiversal variant fight" at the end.

And it turns out that he isn't dead yet, since Kenshi's arcade ending basically has him and Jax fighting Shang off.

[hardy carbon]

Couldn’t be just go back to where the timelines fractured into countless, and conquer the one just before that happened?

[finite mesa]

Besides, the whole "take over the world" plotline has been done to death at this point.

[hardy carbon]

Indeed

[lunar hornet]

it is also known that Bi-Han is who broke Gen. Khan and Shang Tsung out of that prison, based on their intro lines.

otherwise that prison might have actually been able to hold them.

[lunar hornet]

storywise, he thinks there are only the two splits in timelines- the one where LK wins, and the one where ST wins.

but those seem to be the two, most likely, major rifts in time.

[hardy carbon]

It took me a bit before I realised you were talking about General Shao.

[hardy carbon]

I wonder when the timeline split actually occurred in MK11.

Would it have been specifically during the battle between Shang and Liu?

[lunar hornet]

I think it split from there, and everything else are just smaller, less prominent fractures.

at worst, i think every character has their own titan timeline.

[hardy carbon]

Apparently every other fracture is when every other character defeated Kronika.

God fucking damn Kronika fucked up hard

[lunar hornet]

she really did

[hardy carbon]

How is this stupid bitch the most powerful threat who controls literal time but LOSES TO EVERYONE IN MK

We need a third reboot so the story can go back to being actually good again.

And for the love of god don’t link it back to MK11 this time

A HARD reboot, not a soft one

[lunar hornet]

she's the catalyst. she's not the threat.

[hardy carbon]

So what’s the threat then?

[lunar hornet]

kronica can't be revived cuz she's a titan.

time split because of Liu Kang and Shang Tsung's fight.

so the two main timelines are where each of them wins that final battle.

again, that shang tsung mimics kronika to hide his identity and change the timeline liu kang crafted.

He's gotten so bored of ruling his own timeline and crafting it that he has to assert his own superiority over LK's timeline to prove a point to himself and to fate, that he is the most supreme being and intellect.

that's just how he's made.

LK made some changes, but it seems he did his best to leave the core of fighters the same, in the hopes that different backgrounds and surroundings would push them for the better.

Liu Kang and Raiden were always humble and self sacrificing. That they switched places almost exactly isn't surprising at all.

You look at ego and self serving desires, i think it's more clear in this timeline how each realm has great warriors with the same or similar faults.

General Khan and Bi Han both think they can rule better.

For all that Shang Tsung is self-serving and deceptive, Raiden and Liu Kang serve the greater good with directness and honesty.

You see where pride finally leads to sincere repentance from Kung Lao and Rain in the form of Shujinko and the ruins of Seido.

In this timeline, I think Liu Kang finally sees the darkness in Bi-Han that lead him to become Noob in previous timelines.

In KL's ending, it took him MANY retries to push Bi Han onto a nobler path.

in mk 11.

[finite mesa]

Actually, that was LK timeline Shang Tsung. The one that got erased from existence was Titan Shang.

Sorry for the error.

[lunar hornet]

nope.

Bi Han: I broke you out of prison but I get no respect. SK: that's what traitors get.

others: how did you get out of the same prison? ST: i'm a shapeshifter, duh.

oh no yeah, titan shang tsung died.

[finite mesa]

So he could basically shapeshift into the guards and walk out.

It's kinda like what Megamind would do with that watch of his.

[lunar hornet]

never saw that movie. heard it was good.

[hardy carbon]

Unfortunately he got overshadowed by the little yellow fuckers called 'Minions'

[lunar hornet]

always hated minions.

[finite mesa]

Yeah. Despicable Me also got released the same year as Megamind.

[hardy carbon]

Because dumbfucks that babble incoherently are more funny and appealing than a guy who is an actual good person

[finite mesa]

The first Despicable Me was good, though.

Nevertheless, both movies are good.

[lunar hornet]

sad but true.

[hardy carbon]

Until the Facebook Boomers started putting them in pictures

Legitimately, Megamind is a good person. He was just being a villain for the fun of it but he never like killed anyone or anything like that

Eventually he got bored and created a hero, who turned out to be an asshole who couldn't take no for an answer from the chick he has a crush on

And of course Megamind becomes the hero to take down the villain he made

It's a good movie

[lunar hornet]

so I hear.

one day I'll watch it.

[finite mesa]

I highly recommend it. It's a good movie.

[hardy carbon]

I just now realised I spoiled a far chunk of the story then and now I feel bad

[lunar hornet]

how do you feel about the how to tame a dragon movie series?

[hardy carbon]

Dragons is a good franchise.

[lunar hornet]

it's been years and years and i guess it makes sense.

I don't feel spoiled at all.

[hardy carbon]

I prefer to avoid the cartoons they put out just because they have the Dragons name on them so of course they're gonna attract audience

[lunar hornet]

eh...

[hardy carbon]

In my mind, the only Dragons TV media is the movies and that's it

[lunar hornet]

that's how a lot of other thing attract attention to themselves.

[hardy carbon]

They did the same shit to Kung Fu Panda.

[lunar hornet]

sure

[hardy carbon]

Keep movies movies

[lunar hornet]

Huh?

[hardy carbon]

don't turn them into shitty cartoons that look terrible and turn the characters into brainlet morons

[hardy carbon]

KFP was a movie first and then they made a tv series out of it

But it's just slop with the KFP name on it

[lunar hornet]

there was tv series?

[hardy carbon]

yeah

[lunar hornet]

we ain't talking about those here.

[hardy carbon]

2011-2016

[lunar hornet]

those don't exist.

[hardy carbon]

'Legends of Awesomeness'

i agree

[lunar hornet]

there's only the 3 movies.

[finite mesa]

Any suggestions on Kombat Pack 2?

I already listed down what kameos I wanted to see if there is one.

Here's my picks:

• Moloch.
• Drahmin.
• Meat.
• Kira.
• Kabal.
• Erron Black.
• Nightwolf.

[coarse hemlock]

Since Kenshi can see thru the blindfold now whats the point of having a blindfold

[finite mesa]

He got his eyes gouged out by Mileena during her Tarkat rampage.

How can he see through the blindfold?

Throughout Ashrah's chapter in the story, Kenshi was holding onto Johnny as they traversed through the forest of souls.

It's like the unbreakable bond between a blind person and his seeing-eye dog.

That was until Johnny willingly gave Sento back to him, and the souls of his ancestors guided him.

If Daredevil has taught me anything, is that if one of your sights go bye-bye, chances are that your other senses would be enhanced.

[coarse hemlock]

he can see tho

everything is blue filtered

[finite mesa]

How can he see? His eyes were literally stabbed.

[coarse hemlock]

im not sure if u beat the story

or u missed a scene during bathroom break

[finite mesa]

Oh, really?

I don't have times for arguments like this.

[coarse hemlock]

im not arguing

its a matter of fact and we see kenshis vision in 1st person

[finite mesa]

Instead of pitch black?

[coarse hemlock]

yeah?

reptile chapter i think

even in intro versus havik he sees haviks face

[finite mesa]

So has he been faking it or can he sense it?

I get that he's not faking it since we literally saw blood spurt out when Mileena stabbed him with her sais.

The eyes are probably the most sensitive organs in the body. That scream from Kenshi as he's stabbed is probably genuine.

[coarse hemlock]

we see kenshis vision in 1st person

[finite mesa]

How do you get to see in 1st person?

[coarse hemlock]

by playing story?

[finite mesa]

Okay.

[jade tinsel]

His sword, Sento, gives him vision

its not clear like normal vision and everything is blue outlines i think but he can still see it

[meager moss]

Yeah as long as he has Sento on him, he can see

So is it confirmed that Madam Bo is this timeline's Bo Rai Cho?

or is it just obvious

[jade tinsel]

not reallly???? her name is def a reference, and she trained kung lao like bo rai cho did, but they arent really similar people so i dont think she is exactly the equivalent of bo rai cho, he can still exist yk

[meager moss]

One thing I liked about Bo Rai Cho which is often understated is that he's an Outworlder

But he did not want Earthrealm to fall to Outworld

So he trains Earthrealmers because he knows he cannot help if he directly participates in Mortal Kombat

[surreal sonnet]

Wonder how bo rai cho is going to be in this new timeline

[coarse hemlock]

skinny and straightedge

[surreal sonnet]

Body builder

[pine veldt]

How would that make sense tho Stryker is his surname

[pine veldt]

I really hope this doesn’t result in Jax losing his arms

Like give the man a break

[prisma ruin]

Madam Bo's concept art had her looking more like Bo' Rai Cho

[serene compass]

So the rumors are true.

[uneven scroll]

https://youtu.be/cL-0d-mq1vA?si=3L3_dmVoaVwuytBw
how tf do u kidnap geras!? story expansion is even dumber than the 1st!

[hardy carbon]

He doesn’t see through the blindfold.
In the last timeline the blindfold granted “sight” into some kind of spirit plane that lets him sense everything around him. We ourselves just see it as sight because it’s the most effective way to convey what Kenshi is sensing.
That doesn’t necessarily mean Kenshi or the Descendant of Apep is seeing things that the blindfold allows you to sense.
In this one it’s just there to cover up his destroyed eyes, and Sento grants him “sight” into the spirit plane. Again I must emphasise the quotation marks on “sight” because he is simply sensing things around him and not actually seeing them. Notice how he doesn’t look directly at his enemy most of the time during Kombat? That means he isn’t ‘seeing’ them, he’s just sensing them

[serene compass]

Having gaping eye wounds is probably not flattering or healthy.

I know it's Mortal Kombat but he's an Earthrealmer. Not whatever Havik is.

[coarse hemlock]

Kenshi sees

idk how many times the game has to explain it

he had sight, then was blind, but has sight again

in the other games then yes but this game makes it known he can see

how is kenshi going to call out havik for having an ugly face

if he cant see it

[waxen dome]

He senses the ugliness

[hardy carbon]

If Kenshi could see out of his eyes he would look at his opponent in his neutral stance after losing his eyes. But he doesn’t. He didn’t look at his opponent in any other MK game either

He faces the screen in MK1

[coarse hemlock]

he focuses telekinetic spirit

which stance u talking bout

not both

[hardy carbon]

His neutral combat stance in multiplayer.

And in story mode after he’s been blinded

[coarse hemlock]

yeah because thats his telekenetic stance

[hardy carbon]

He’s still not looking at his opponent. You always look at your opponent when you’re fighting

[coarse hemlock]

kenshi isnt blind tho he sees in blue filter

[waxen dome]

He kinda has to see when fighting

It’s not some daredevil type power

[coarse hemlock]

thats the point they made

he got destroyed by ermac in a split second

then got sight

[coarse hemlock]

this is a lie im in the labg right now

sento stance is literally looking directly at teh opponent

[waxen dome]

He looks away untill he pulls out sento yeah

[coarse hemlock]

he definitely has sight

that just proves it even more

maybe having the blindfold reduces the light his vision would take

but we dont know that

[surreal sonnet]

Does telekinesis count as sight tho

[coarse hemlock]

No tht different

There’s different things occurring

That happened after souls were drained from ermac

[prisma ruin]

My man is using ipads like he ain't blind

[errant valve]

doesn't sento allow him to like see

a la ch,6

[coarse latch]

“Sento, what is it”
“It’s an iPad”
“Yeah but like, what’s on it”
“A screen”
“Sento I swear to the elder gods”

[coarse hemlock]

yes

[waxen dome]

So he probably has the blindfold to cover the injuries

Just because they probably look pretty nasty

[prisma ruin]

What if the plot point that Liu Kang amd Shang Tsung's final battle split the timeline was actually supposed to be the basis for Injustice 3 where Batman amd Superman's endings are both canon? IJ2 ends fairly similarly to Aftermath if you think about it

[surreal sonnet]

That would be a good and interesting thought

[hardy carbon]

Injustice exists ‘beyond the realms’ according to Cetrion

And the Hourglass also exists beyond the realms, as stated by Liu Kang

[prisma ruin]

But let's break it down:

-Batman defeats Superman and starts a new Justice League with Kara as the new symbol of hope
-Liu Kang defeats Shang Tsung and starts a new timeline with Raiden as the new champion of Earthrealm

-Superman defeats Batman and merges with Brainiac's ship, giving him powers of mind control over heroes like Batman, recruits billions into his Regime to rule Earth
-Shang Tsung defeats Liu Kang and absorbs his Keeper of Time powers, able to brainwash heroes like Raiden, takes over his entire universe

[finite mesa]

So does that mean that the Injustice games and the Mortal Kombat games exist in the same universe?

I mean, they had a crossover we shall never speak of again.

[proven carbon]

*yes

As in, pretty much but probablly wont be officially referenced in a canon event

Also, check out this Kung Jin concept art

I found in the shrine

Thoughts?

[finite mesa]

Is this from X or 1?

[proven carbon]

1

From his breif ending apperance

[finite mesa]

Like, in reference to his cameo.

[proven carbon]

Ye

[finite mesa]

The last two designs (3 and 4) makes him look like Zuko from Avatar.

[jade tinsel]

i like second one

[proven carbon]

The last 2 give me big Zuko from Avatar vibes

[proven carbon]

Lol same thought

Yeah id probablly say the 4th one would be my pick but it would still need work

Idk what darth kung jin is doing there though

looks a bit much

[finite mesa]

Imagine if NRS are keeping those designs for a possible comeback. Possibly for a Kombat Pack 2 or 3.

I mean, Takeda is coming back for Kombat Pack 1, so why not Jin?

I would say the same for Cassie and Jacqui, though.

[jade tinsel]

its odd how cassies design was from X and jacquis was from 11

[finite mesa]

Maybe Shang Tsung plucked them out from those timelines.

Yes they may not be the Cassie and Jacqui we know and (somewhat) love, but it maybe from an alternate MK X or MK 11 timeline.

Where they received training under the Shirai Ryu.

[proven carbon]

Cause X cassie is cooler than 11 cassie 😎

[jade tinsel]

very true

[proven carbon]

Also lmao the concept art for cages mansion for invasions has mk11 johnny doing a fatal on kotal

on the tv screen

[jade tinsel]

LOL

[proven carbon]

They really hate kotal

[jade tinsel]

he cannot catch a break

[finite mesa]

I mean, they did mention Kotal in MK1 as one of the opponents Raiden faced while in Outworld.

Along with Sheeva and Kintaro (I think).

[sand sentinel]

Yea in which he lost to Raiden

[proven carbon]

[finite mesa]

Let's just hope they don't bring back D'Vorah.

||She killed Baraka, Scorpion and Mileena in MK's X and 11||

MK 1 brought back a lot of fan favourites, so let's just hope she doesn't go and axe them off.

[proven carbon]

I actually like dvorah

I thought mk11 was peak dvorah, idc what she did in the plot that much

[jade tinsel]

i don’t remember seeing her other than that one jade chapter where they fought i think and her killing scorpion and flying off

[restive kestrel]

I didn't know Zuko was in the game

[finite mesa]

She's quite infamous for that.

||Killing off beloved characters||

Design-wise, I think she's good.

[jade tinsel]

yup lmao

[serene compass]

Her one other appearance.
"Peak D'Vorah"

[coarse latch]

I’d guess the first one is a more evil and futuristic version of his thief attire.

And if Kung Jin’s an archer Zuko now, maybe that could be his Blue Spirit attire.

https://tenor.com/view/the-blue-spirit-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-gif-27264948

[finite mesa]

Imagine if they gave Jin these costumes and gears in case he becomes a playable/kameo fighter in the near future.

That would be my dream come true.

I mean, Takeda is coming back, so why not Jin?

[proven carbon]

Quiet you

[lime frigate]

D’vorah is cool in terms of design and all but she is quite annoying lol

[coarse hemlock]

She would work great in this game ngl

[crisp gust]

the face this channel makes when d'vorah pulls up during MK1 story DLC and kills like scorpion, mileena, and fuck it Reiko or something:

[errant valve]

D'Vorah queen

[serene compass]

After some time, it feels like a lose-lose for D'Vorah.

On one hand, people complain that the MK villains don't ever kill anyone so they don't have a lot of impact. So I could understand why they'd have D'Vorah kill some legacy characters.

On the other hand, introducing a new character that beats older characters is always gonna be controversial - even the Kombat Kids aren't safe from that.

So it makes a situation where it they make a new villain kill new characters or some jobbers like '97 Goro, they do what they did and have a new character be a threat in the cast, or they flat out stop making new characters.

My problem with D'Vorah is that she felt like the most effective villain. She has a better record than Kronika and even Shao Kahn. So for me, she feels like someone's first fan fic character. Even in Battle of the Realms, when she gets killed, she just... doesn't die?

[hardy carbon]

It appears that they are connected.

‘Raiden and I did go there’ is reference to the fact that both these characters were guests in Injustice 2

Raiden and SubZero also talk about their experience in either MKvsDC or Injustice 2.
Raiden “I dreamt of an unjust world.”
Subzero “With a dark knight and a caped wonder?”
Raiden: “How could you know my dream?”

[icy raft]

Are WW1 and WW2 still canon in the new MK1 timeline

[finite mesa]

I don't think so.

It's mostly just conflicts between Outworld and Earthrealm.

Isn't it already a World War?

[proven carbon]

Yeah theyd be canon considering a lot of modern technlogoy as a result of the world wars is present in this timeline

[icy raft]

damn liu kang couldn't stop hitler?

[waxen dome]

What?

[serene compass]

Funny thing about that.
There is a Midway game that was canon in the 1st and 2nd timeline. Johnny was a guest star and probably implied to be the player character.

This game also had a sequel. In the same universe. Ed Boon lends his voice to the big bad, General Ahkboob... who is revealed to be Adolf Hitler.

So in the MK universe, Hitler was canon twice and had the same voice as Scorpion.

[serene compass]

So the jury is still out on that.

[surreal sonnet]

So I got Lui Kang tower ending and geras being his successor makes more sense than the head cannon of Raiden being the successor

[prisma ruin]

I don't think Raiden would have been keeper of time. But I can see him succeed Liu Kang as protector god of Earthrealm

[surreal sonnet]

That's true

[coarse latch]

Has anyone been immature and/or horny enough to make an Ahkboob joke

[jade tinsel]

HAHA

BOOB

[daring saddle]

You'd have to comb over his mansion tour for any items with any historical connections to Nazi Germany to prove WW2 did happen*

[coarse hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_cGQQirN0g

[restive kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-evans-captain-america-steve-rogers-handsome-messed-up-gif-16817517

[serene compass]

Well, Kitana has literal "ass gameplay".

[serene compass]

I would die laughing if that was the next Game Theory.

[daring saddle]

If his car in the fatality is a Porsche, it's an open and shut case

[serene compass]

Or... if I can link THIS timeline to Smash TV again.

[daring saddle]

Nvm I think his car's a Koenigsegg (SWE)

[serene compass]

Well. Gotta watch all the intros and see if "Johnny's gladiator show" is referenced.

Real talk, I just love seeing that era of Midway referenced.

Hoping one day, NRS takes the Capcom approach and just use the arcade IPs they're not gonna touch and make them a part of MK.

Yeah. At least give us a skin pack.

Token Taker (CarnEvil) Shang
Red Warrior (Gauntlet) General Shao
Rampage Reptile?

The Grid or Smash TV Johnny

[daring saddle]

Free real estate and fanservice

[finite mesa]

Could we see an alternate Noob Saibot for MK1?

Bi-Han is still Sub-Zero in Liu Kang's timeline, so it could be possible we could see an alternate Noob from another timeline.

[finite mesa]

Give Reptile a Rampage skin? That's good.

[prisma ruin]

It's going to be Bi-Han

[finite mesa]

Yes. Bi-Han is always the Noob Saibot in every timeline.

It's like a canon event.

[prisma ruin]

Not really no

istg Spider-Man ruined multiverse discourse

[finite mesa]

Yeah. I kinda just wrote the whole "canon event" thing in ATSV off as nonsense.

Isn't that the point of a multiverse? Things differ from the timeline we know and love?

ATSV is still a good movie, though.

[prisma ruin]

pretty much but on the other side, it's an important distinction that even if there are infinite timelines (which i don't quite think is the case with MK1, but nevertheless), that doesn't mean that every single concievable possibility exists

But yeah it will be Bi-Han anyway

it doesn't have to be, but it will

[finite mesa]

Didn't Smoke hold the Noob alias back in Deception?

[prisma ruin]

no

He tag teamed with Noob

[finite mesa]

Noob-Smoke.

[prisma ruin]

that's not a singular person

Did you play Deception

[finite mesa]

No, but I've seen videos of it.

[prisma ruin]

they're two people

Noob and Smoke

[finite mesa]

Oh. Okay.

So they're a tag team duo in Deception.

I wonder how that happened.

[prisma ruin]

As described in Deception, Noob found Smoke deactivated, reactivated him and reprogrammed him to be obedient only to him, and he was supposed to be the prototype for his cyber-demons

by Armageddon their alliance seems to have dissolved, hinting that Kuai Liang was able to restore Smoke's good nature

[hardy carbon]

I like the difference in the ways Baraka and Mileena fight despite both having Tarkat.

Mileena is newly infected and she doesn’t know how to control her bloodlust yet, so she bites her enemy a lot especially in the Fatal Blow. Also her arm blades aren’t fully developed so she only uses them for one or two moves (immediately to mind, stabbing their feet with the sais and then growing arm blades to slash them)

Baraka on the other hand has had Tarkat for a while, enough that he has been fully disfigured. He, however, is less inclined towards biting and eating his opponent, and generally uses his arm blades and his skill as a former soldier.

[crisp gust]

Yeah MK does a good job telling a mini story just by the way how people fight. Johnny being a flashy cunt, Havik being a fucking weirdo, the savagery of shao, etc

Its an underappreciated part of the storytelling

[serene compass]

Yeah. I didn't get that too much in MK. Maybe there's details I missed. But it is the reason I liked Kitana having Jades weapons in X or a Sai in 11.

[finite mesa]

Baraka's experience before being infected with Tarkat is pretty sad to me.

Like he was living the life everyone wanted; being rich with a loving family.

Until that disease came to him.

I'm surprised that Outworld knows about this whole thing since they have an emergency place in order to banish those with Tarkat.

Speaking of which, what started Tarkat anyway?

[hardy carbon]

Tarkat is just a disease, that so happened to be a thing specifically in Liu Kang's timeline and in no other timelines before

HOWEVER

here's something interesting

[finite mesa]

Liu Kang created this whole new timeline for peace and prosperity. So why is he letting a deadly and incurable disease run rampant?

[hardy carbon]

did you know that when Shang Tsung performs his Fatal Blow, he injects his opponent with a strain of Tarkat?

Which possibly means that Tarkat existed in his own timeline, unless he just experimented on it in Liu Kang's timeline

But I headcanon that Tarkat resulted from the timelines being splintered. It never happened before, so why would it specifically happen now?

[finite mesa]

So like the Marvel Zombies storyline, Shang Tsung let that new disease run rampant in Liu Kang's timeline.

[hardy carbon]

aye

[finite mesa]

And he created an instant treatment for it in order to gain admiration from Sindel.

Since he already knew that Mileena was infected with Tarkat.

[hardy carbon]

A suppressant, sure, to abate the symptoms and progression.

Unfortunately it's no cure.

I hope they get a cure soon

[finite mesa]

But I highly doubt Mileena or Baraka would take it. We're already used to them in these forms.

[hardy carbon]

true

[crisp gust]

He said “I started this universe to give it the best chance but its ultimately out of my hands” in like the first 5 minutes of the game

And mfs will still be like “cant believe Liu Kang didn’t stop 9/11…”

[hardy carbon]

Aye.

[jade tinsel]

LOL

[hardy carbon]

I've always believed that it's impossible to handcraft a timeline

You can't mold it exactly how you want it to be

at best, you guide certain events to make it as close to your vision as possible

Liu Kang himself says to Smoke that some threads have to be cut to weave the timeline, when Smoke asks if he was responsible for his family's death.

[jade tinsel]

oh wtf

[hardy carbon]

And he laments that he had no other option when others ask him why they suffered. He can't stop all suffering, and he certainly isn't omnipotent

Even with Kronika

she made it so that Liu Kang and Raiden would always kill each other

Obviously that's because she can't prevent their existences in the first place. Then again, it's possible that other timelines have simply had them not exist or their existences not coincide with one another considering they were 'countless'

but she always set up events to make sure they'd fight and kill one another.

[jade tinsel]

what coding language do you think liu used to make the timeline

[crisp gust]

Python.

Thats why Reptiles so hot in this timeline

[finite mesa]

TBH, Liu Kang did a fantastic job reshaping the timeline into his own design. Sure it might not be perfect after the whole [Titan Shang Tsung] incident.

[finite mesa]

Yeah.

Liu Kang basically said:

"Since Reptile alternates between human and lizard in other timelines, why not I make him a shapeshifter in my new timeline?"

Bada-bing bada-boom, it worked. Reptile's back and he's better than ever.

[surreal sonnet]

But watch if something happens to him and he becomes like a full humanoid lizard again

[meager moss]

It's not perfect but at least everyone either had an opportunity to reform or find peace

[daring saddle]

ST did kill Reptile's family tho

and he was discriminated against by his own kind

But he moved on pretty fast with Ashrah, so I guess it worked out in the end

[prisma ruin]

Non-vampire Vaeternians be like: 💀

[prisma ruin]

If you could add another champion duo to the Earthrealm squad alongside Raiden/Kung Lao and Johnny/Kenshi, who would they he and what would their story be?

I think Erron Black/female Nightwolf would be cool, kind of a modern-day cowboy and Indian vibe. I also think the partnership between Stryker and Kabal deserves to be explored more

[errant valve]

I think the only person I'd like to see added into that grouping of chars would be like Kai as a budding pyromancer noticed by Liu Kang and trained privately by him. Honestly don't really even need to give him weapons like his Spiked Club or Gurkha Knives, make his fire more reddish/orange-y than yellow or blue and lean into his handstand shenanigans from MK4.

My fav Earthrealm chars don't really seem like they'd fit into Liu's squad (Sektor, Kira, Mavado, Hsu Hao...). I think honestly Reptile+Ashrah is a great enough addition to the squad even if they aren't native to Earthrealm.

[crisp gust]

Nightwolf/Erron Black could be fun I like that idea

[serene compass]

I'm still baffled NRS never made a rivalry between the two in Aftermath. Like... Come on! It's so obvious!

[prisma ruin]

Maybe it's TOO on the nose

[crisp gust]

The entire series was built on children choosing their favorite primary color ninja and fighting about it amongst themselves

To hell with subtlety make it happen Ed

[finite mesa]

Wait. That's Tarkat? All it did was cause spines to erupt throughout the victim's body and they're not even permanent; they just break away from the opponent once Shang kicks them away.

[hardy carbon]

Yeah I watched the devs explain Shang Tsung’s moveset. They said that Shang Tsung injects Tarkat into his opponent during his Fatal Blow.

[finite mesa]

But it's not a permanent strain of Tarkat, right?

[hardy carbon]

I’m not sure tbh

They did it to Mileena and said ‘Oh she has double Tarkat now. I feel bad.’

And honestly, it’s Mortal Kombat. Logic doesn’t exist

[finite mesa]

I was pretty shocked to see that they didn't shy away in making Mileena a true Tarkatan. In one of her brutalities, she has the arm blades.

[finite mesa]

Yeah. The X-rays/Fatal blows are extremely brutal, but the opponent just gets up with no problems.

[hardy carbon]

She has the arm blades during that move where she stabs them in the feet with her sais

But that’s it tbh

Edit: there is another. Some kind of air teleport tackle

She pins them to the ground by their feet and grows arm blades to cut them up.

[finite mesa]

Damn.

I never really understood Goro or Sindel's fatal blows in this game. It involves them ripping the opponent's limbs off, but it doesn't seem that way.

It seems that way, but their limbs stay intact.

[hardy carbon]

Aye

[finite mesa]

What are they really tearing out?

[hardy carbon]

The only Fatal that really bothers me tbh is Ashrah’s

And it’s simply because the X-ray happens immediately and not toward the end

Compared to others where they do a series of attacks and the X-ray generally finishes it

[finite mesa]

The only logical thing I could say is that it looks like they're tearing out the opponent's socket joints.

Namely the ball-and-socket joint in the shoulder and legs.

I can't even imagine the amount of pain one can experience from that.

[hardy carbon]

I have to say that Sindel’s combat style had me worried that she was gonna be evil again. Her fatality too.

The way she laughs while killing them and stuff.

I’m glad she’s good again.

[finite mesa]

Well. That's what happens if someone messed with her.

[hardy carbon]

That she ripped off their arms and said “Who’s your queen” before tearing their skull and spine out then laughing about it

Had me think she was gonna be evil or mind controlled because MK loves mind control

Good to know that she’s a good person, but a really vicious and fearsome Kombatant

She doesn’t fuck around

[icy raft]

When I heard Shao Kahn shit on Liu Kang for hiding Outworld from Earthrealmers I was like "💀"

We havent even settled our own problems do you want us to invade Outworld for oil???

Once the US captures a territory with natural defenses and in Outworld

you know they will turn it into a military base to launch nukes at Outworld

[finite mesa]

Never mess with Sindel or her kingdom.

[hardy carbon]

Yeah I mentioned this earlier. If anything, Liu Kang is hiding Outworld from Earthrealm for Outworld’s protection

Not the other way around

Liu Kang mentions that his fighters have always beaten Outworlders. They only ever do martial arts, and most of them have simple powers.

How about a nuke?

[icy raft]

Hell

How about an anti tank rifle

[finite mesa]

This is combat, not a war.

[icy raft]

How about we combat Outworlds with a nuke

Bomb Sindel with drones

[icy raft]

I think Outworld's soul stealer is their own version of a nuke tbh

Ashrah said that weapon can kill millions of people and it seems plausible

use it to create a soulnado that sucks in people's souls to get bigger to suck more souls

[finite mesa]

Johnny had a drone that was used as surveillance as the group plan to stop the portals.

[icy raft]

The best Earthrealm can do without Liu's help is evacuate the cities around the soulnado and threaten outworld with our 12000+ nukes to make them shut the soul stealer down

[icy raft]

Yeah and thats just a commercially available drone imagine military drones

[finite mesa]

Why are we talking about the idea of waging war on Outworld?

[icy raft]

Its fun

[finite mesa]

There are creatures in there that can easily tear through the entire military if they want.

[icy raft]

Like who

[finite mesa]

• Shokan.
• Centaurians (e.g. Motaro).
• Tarkatans.

[icy raft]

Bomb them with white phosphorus

Remove the geneva convention to bomb them with chemical weapons since baraka and reptile was shown to not be immune to gas

[hardy carbon]

Only if the Almighty Plot has the military use guns at melee range instead of splitting wigs at distance

[icy raft]

They are melee focused fighters

Maybe if theyre caught unready to fight people with superpowers Earthrealm's army may crumble at first

[finite mesa]

If General Shao was a good guy, he would tear through the entire military with ease. Sindel literally said it herself that he was the victor of the Tavarian war.

[icy raft]

but as soon as we start using anti tank weapons to snipe them from 5km away

[finite mesa]

Can we just stop talking about this? Waging wars is not a good idea.

[icy raft]

im not sure what Motaro can do about it

[finite mesa]

I'm trying to be civil with you.

[icy raft]

I think the Tavarian war was an Outworld war

[finite mesa]

It's not a good idea to wage wars; especially if they're wars aimed at a fictional place.

[icy raft]

How so? It's fiction

[finite mesa]

Do you take History classes at school? If you did, you would learn why wars are not a good idea.

[icy raft]

And the MK1 story was about waging war in the first place so I can't see why I can't talk about how it can differently play out

[finite mesa]

It brings devastation, death and decay to any place.

[icy raft]

That is the obvious however this is fiction

[finite mesa]

Mortal Kombat is more of a conflict between Earthrealm and Outworld. Every century a tournament takes place to see if Earthrealm is strong enough to withstand Outworld's forces.

[finite mesa]

When can we expect to see the DLC kameos drop?

[hardy carbon]

I assume they’ll come out the same day as the main characters, but until we get actual confirmation about it all we can do is speculate

So when the first character comes out a Kameo might as well

[finite mesa]

All of them or only for that specific character?

The thing is that there are six DLC fighters coming for KP1. There are five new kameo fighters for KP1 and they sound amazing.

However, if you're planning on buying the whole DLC set, I think they'll give you a free DLC kameo and they'll drop a kameo the same time as the DLC fighter.

[prisma ruin]

My headcanon is that Chameleon is behind it, just like how he's behind the killing of the shapeshifters

[finite mesa]

Chameleon or Khameleon?

The only difference I can tell is that they're the different gender.

[prisma ruin]

Chameleon

I'm thinking like in the og games he was there the whole time just invisible

Quietly pulling strings

Khameleon was sent to Umgadi to either protect her from being killed or is a mole for Chameleon

[serene compass]

It was the other way around for me.

Like, Shao. You get no W's the moment Liu Kang is in action. And that's most of The Defenders clowning you.

And now, Human Raiden solos Outworld.

Like, come on. In the 2nd timeline, all the good guys came back. All your champions stayed dead, half your goons were MIA when Kronika showed up, and you played second fiddle to her.

[icy raft]

yeah and Mortal Kombat is the same game that depicts realms waging wars on each other

and death isn't a very nice thing either but the fatalities are about killing people in the most brutal ways possible so the game can just depict that but i cant talk about it despite it being fiction?

if youre not comfortable with me talking about it just block me

cause it seems like youre just salty that outworld's army doesn't have a lot of options to combat earthrealmer's naval and air warfare

[serene compass]

The "r" word. Guaranteed to start arguments.

[waxen dome]

Yeah let’s not

This entire debate gives off “toddlers playing with action figures and arguing about who beats who in a fight”

[serene compass]

I meant "real" or "realistic".

I hate it cause no one ever wants things to be like a simulation so it becomes a shouting match of two people having different arguments. Then it becomes a one-sided deal cause no one wants their stuff to become an ultra realistic simulator.

[waxen dome]

Ah

Yeah that’s true

Let me play my reptile human guy with my centaur kameo without telling me what should or shouldn’t be realistic in my fighting game

[serene compass]

I had this conversation before when I was complaining about the way Scorpion swung his sword and every girl not named Cage wearing heels.

No. I'm not saying this game needs to be realistic. Yes, I know there's magic and stuff. I'm saying it's dumb seeing these ninjas and assassins with the combat skills of a weeb.

[waxen dome]

Mkx scorpian?

Heels thing is goofy

I get why you don’t think it should be there but I also get why they have it

I don’t think Jacqui wore heels either

[serene compass]

MK 11. I thought his sword moves looked off - kinda stubby. Then I realized most of those most of them are with an underhanded grip.

Meanwhile, even Deadly Alliance had some decent swings.