Mortal Kombat 1 Story Spoilers

[prisma ruin]

He should be executed for genocide

So....Shao Kahn? Lol

[pine veldt]

What’s interesting tho is that most of the unseen story parts are covered in the tower endings

[prisma ruin]

That's what I'm talking about

I think it was a real missed opportunity for example not to have the characters like Raiden, Kitana, and Kung Lao meet their mk11 counterparts, Raiden especially since it was crucial to his story. And the fallout from Liu Kang's revelation too. Like, Scorpion and Smoke are mad as hell for that but you wouldn't know it just by playing the story mode

But we're just told about all that in past tense essentially

Instead of seeing it unfold and having the story payoff

[pine veldt]

I’m assuming they didn’t wanna make too many mistakes by including too much but still it’s kinda dumb

Like u said a bunch of stuff we really should know just isn’t there

[prisma ruin]

Well the last three chapters essentially abandon all plot threads set up in the story

Could have spent that time building to a satisfying conclusion

[crisp gust]

Wouldnt mind a smaller scale mk plot. I feel like theyre obliged to have an apocalyptic end threat. Gimme a game where it just focuses on outworld tensions, lin kuei problems, earthrealm earthrealming, etc

It always flounders near the end when its like “ok time for the final epic army battle wee”

[pine veldt]

I think it was a safe thing to do tho tbh

So that way no characters or events are majorly affected in canon

[modest vortex]

My favorite line in this story will still be MK12_148_154,11

Caught me off guard when i first saw it

[pine veldt]

😭😭😭

[woeful mountain]

I understood and expected two timelines to be honest, from the very first MK1 trailer to theories that both endings of Aftermath was canon.

It's just when you get to more than two timelines that I was like,"What?"

[restive kestrel]

https://youtu.be/t5W6XQJE9Fs

[serene compass]

Exactly. Like MK 92 Shang having a katana. If you didn't notice he had one - that's my point.

[robust nymph]

you know whats wierd...

LiuKang made this "peaceful" world so that people from his timeline could live a better life and such

but then he went and made a race of people a disease...

but it's also one of those story points that just seemed breezed past. "you went outside and got infected" like girl how, where did she go? who was she meeting for her to just contract this disease so fast.

[jade tinsel]

i mean its never said that he created it as a disease

not everything that happens is his fault

[robust nymph]

tell that to the merchant who lost his family!!!

[jade tinsel]

ok

[robust nymph]

do we spoiler tag here?

like i know its the"story spoilers" page but still

[jade tinsel]

dont have to here

[robust nymph]

ah okay just checking

but one of my fave moments was near the end when LiuKang opens up the first friend portal and it's Kitana and they have that moment

"my LiuKang?"

[coarse hemlock]

i hated it

its mortal combat not days of our lives

[nocturne geode]

Kombat*

Idiot

[coarse latch]

We gon see a Kenshi with sunglasses skin later on?

[coarse hemlock]

what about kenshi without blindfold like in the gameplay reveal trailer

dude had sento spirit then

[elder sluice]

Now hear me out but a skin like his ronin skin in mkx

[errant valve]

maybe i don't remember aftermath/mk11's story super well since i havent watched the end for a bit but they mention the battle for kronika's hourglass a lot. shouldn't only liu and shang's timelines be possible? why did they make it so that every char has a timeline where they beat kronika a la their arcade endings(?) 😭

[fair rock]

Liu Kang not being able to give up his keeper of time powers after regaining them felt a little contrived to me

And why couldn't he keep doing what he was doing after getting them back?

It seems like he was mostly watching people from the shadows anyway

[errant valve]

agree

[prisma ruin]

It...seems like he's still being protector of earthrealm

But he won't be forever

[pine veldt]

Do u think the tower endings imply potential dlc characters

Sareena and sektor are likely imo but I think they’re saving shujinko and jax for the next game

[hardy carbon]

With how the towers endings are in MK1, I wonder if the guest characters are gonna be part of the overarching post-story, or have their own little tidbits completely separated from the rest

Every tower ending in MK1 is connected. It’s an entire sequence of events that take place after the main story does

They’re probably gonna be ambiguously canon or just straight-up canon because MK is now a fucking multiverse

MK11 and Kronika were the worst things to happen to Mortal Kombat

[prisma ruin]

I don't think the multiverse has anything to do with its canonicity

[hardy carbon]

It’s a multiverse. Everything that has ever been and ever will be Mortal Kombat can be canon now

Even the movies.

Injustice and the entire DC universe are connected to MK as well because of the Injustice games and MK vs DC.

Including the shittiest movies like MK2021.
Which means Cole Young is canon too

[fair rock]

Cole Young is canon, awesome

[prisma ruin]

Ok but the endings are canon to one universe

[fair rock]

Now he can be killed in 100s of different brutal ways

[hardy carbon]

Hopefully NRS can write him better than whoever the fuck wrote MK2021

But that character is tainted forever and it may be better off to just forget he exists entirely

Then again that hasn’t worked for other characters that NRS have tried to leave forgotten since 200X.

[prisma ruin]

Ed said the movies will stay separate from the games

New movies anyways

[hardy carbon]

Aye

[serene compass]

The thing is that Cole is such a blank slate though. He doesn't even have any gimmicks. Even the plot armor and weapons are just crap he randomly gets. And they're not as useful against Mileena and Sub Zero.

My theory is that New Line Cinema wanted to make Cole hoping he and the movie would be popular enough to warrant a crossover with the games.

[pine veldt]

I Imagine they’d be somewhat canon but not relevant to the story at all, for example peacemaker joining the sun do police force or something like that

[restive kestrel]

They probably could have made Cole control metal

Like Khrome

[woeful mountain]

Johnny Cage is the equivalent of a dog in MK1, where everyone but the evil people just love him. He can be annoying, but man do they just love him.

Man is like besties with a majority of the cast

[coarse latch]

If we look towards his concept art, there’s potential moves we could see

Also that basket could be used as a shield and/or a frisbee

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ZGYKO1

[digital girder]

Funny that the main character of the most recent movie still isn’t playable in an MK game

[coarse latch]

Didn’t they say they keeping movies and games seperate like red pills, blue pills and green pills?

[woeful mountain]

Listen, MK hasn't even added some mentioned lore characters that have been in the series for a decade. Nor has it added the OG Comic characters/cartoon characters.

I doubt they'll add Cole (especially since the fanbase wasn't exactly liking Cole)

[digital girder]

Huh, you’d think since MK love’s referencing the 90s movie they’d take the opportunity to at least add skins or something for the characters

[woeful mountain]

Best we'll get from the MK Movies is skins like how MK11 did MK 1995 movie skins

[digital girder]

Are we still getting a sequel to that or has that been dropped?

[woeful mountain]

(Sidenote, those MK 90s movie skins were dope and Linden Ashby still is a great Cage)

[woeful mountain]

I believe we're still getting it, but we have an actor's strike happening atm

[jade tinsel]

still getting a sequel

[digital girder]

Still not a fan of Liu kang getting sidelined for some random MK OC

[woeful mountain]

Like, honestly if they wanted an protagonist that came from America then they could've just gone and used Johnny Cage.

Dude was right there.

[digital girder]

Or just have Liu kang live in America for an extended period of time, also while I like Johnny, I don’t think his type of character could carry the whole movie like that, he’s better as the funny one liner supporting character

[woeful mountain]

Johnny definitely can.

I mean NRS Johnny was sort of the face for NRS for a couple of years there.

[restive kestrel]

Yeah. I hope we get those skins for Kano, Sonya, Jax, Nitara, Shang Tsung, Kung Lao, Raiden, Sub Zero, Reptile (like his human skin can be his 1995 look and his reptile form can be the 2021 look), Reiko, Mileena, Goro and kameo Scorpion

[woeful mountain]

MK is a bit weird in the situation that it's 'Ryu' was dead for a while, came back as a zombie, timeline reset, got killed and came back as an antagonist.

So, Liu Kang isn't the full protagonist of MK (Hell, I'd argue that he's only the protagonist of one NRS game that being MK11).

MK9 was Raiden, MKX was Cassie, MK11 was Liu Kang.

[digital girder]

MK1?

[woeful mountain]

Even before NRS you have Taven and Shujinko as the protagonists

[woeful mountain]

MK1 is more like a team, a GOG situation tbh. The Earthrealm Squad of Johnny, Kenshi, Kung Lao and Raiden.

Though you could argue for Johnny Kenshi and Kung Lao since they get way more screen time and development than Raiden does.

[prisma ruin]

Raiden or Kung Lao really should have gotten MC status for mk1

I would even be happy with kenshi with how they were developing him

[errant valve]

by mc do you mean main character

idt there even is one for this game's story

[daring saddle]

Rotating protag, yeah

IMO

LK > Cage > Kenshi > Raiden > Kung Lao > Mileena > Li Mei > Kuai Liang > Sindel > Baraka = Reptile > Ashrah = Geras

for protag focus based on rough guesses

[hot forge]

After playing some of the story towers its more and more obvious we’re getting a Shirai Ryu vs Lin Kuei expansion

Probably with Noob, Sektor, and Cyrax playable

Maybe Frost too

[wispy adder]

i yelled while playing mk1 story mode after finding out my theory was correct

i had a theory that shang tsung and liu kang were both keepers of time

and that they are like going to meet in mk1

i think i have message proof

i explained a lot so i just took one ss

i expanded a lot more i just cba sceeenshotting everything

[restive kestrel]

I hope Kenshi and Kameo Sub get their Snow Blind skins

[sour patio]

I really enjoyed this story mode!

[woeful mountain]

It was a common theory, especially with the first trailer being Shang Tsung coming out to murder people only for Liu Kang to kill him.

[hardy carbon]

So does Mileena have a different strain of Tarkat?

Her mouth is completely different to the others

[nocturne geode]

Guess I’m the devil.

I think Johnny is fucking cringe.

[daring saddle]

He's the only one providing comedic relief

[nocturne geode]

Me staring at my screen as Johnny says the most unfunny, millennial writing, cliche joke out of his mouth.

[errant valve]

I'm guessing she just has signs of early Tarkat but the vaccine that Shang Tsung was making to help cure it keeps it from progressing? But he isn't exactly the most loyal fellow, so after the events of the story I'm not sure if he would still be making it for her. But Tanya, being what seems to be the head honcho Umgadi and a devout Outworld royal loyalist, perhaps payed attention to Tsung as he made it so she knows how to make it. At least if Mileena wants to retain her Queen title after Sindel's passing, I imagine she'll need some kind of cure. Maybe Rain (since he is a sorcerer of sorts) knows how to make it since he was there with Tanya in Ch.4 and he'll withhold how if he doesn't evade capture since he did turn on Sindel & try to join Shao's regime. Maybe it will prove too much for Mileena to handle and she'll have an outburst and be run out of the capital and Kitana will pitifully replace her? They can do a lot w/ the story to expand upon it

[coarse hemlock]

shes royalty and the only one able to have medication

[woeful mountain]

I love him

He radiates golden retriever energy, he also has some good character moments with Kenshi specifically.

[serene compass]

Gotta love whenever someone doesn't like a joke, it's "Milenial"

Instead of corporate cringe

[nocturne geode]

What’s the difference?

[woeful mountain]

I will say most of Johnny's stuff is more movie lingo/references

[jade tinsel]

his movements and shit are whats funny to me

i dont think ive ever found any of his lines that funny

[vocal swan]

Is Harumi possible for the next Kombat Pack

[jade tinsel]

doubtful

but maybe? i guess lol

anythings possible

[errant valve]

was it just me or was rain's smirk at raiden in ch.3 fruity as hell

[errant valve]

i could see it

[coarse latch]

Would be fun to see her as a human, her as Scorpion and her as an onryo and stuff

[errant valve]

instead of getting killed by rando assassins in every other timeline

redemption arc

[lunar hornet]

Mileena's in earlier stages of the disease where it can be treated but not cured.

NRS got me interested in Shao's siblings, who he says are pretty much on par with him... but disowned him after his rebellion.

I guess raiden's sister is Fujin?

and Bo Raicho got genderbent into madam Bo as well?

all the mentions of Jade, because ofc. i imagine she's in future dlc.

hanzo is gonna be takeda now?

ashrah + scyzoth = concern for Geras and Liu Kang (although LK seems supportive half the time and the other half worried cuz she's half demon).

Kenshi joins Jax and creates the oia, so how long will it be before he's playable? Is Sonya going to join? plus the BD being mentioned more.

Shujinko gets trained the wrong way by Kung Lao and gets his powers reset. xD

[hot forge]

Whats bro yapping about

Most of the movies he references are from before the first millennial was born

[restive kestrel]

I just want to make sure that this isn't click bate or not
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqrkJglgId0||

[errant valve]

He just made a video of someone's Twitter post and there is no gameplay in that video alas, is p much clickbait

[restive kestrel]

Of course

[hot forge]

Dynasty is almost always clickbait

[prisma ruin]

apparently he has a ton of siblings

[lunar hornet]

Dynasty talks too much and says some dumb shit. like makes some real wild assumptions.

[crisp gust]

just gotta get those clicks i guess

[lunar hornet]

the only redeeming feature he has is he no-life's the news and can be one of the first ones posting actual information on some things

[crisp gust]

I went on a blocking stream prior to MK1 releasing because I didn't trust any of these MK content creators to not be fucking degenerates and immediately post videos of spoilers

[lunar hornet]

The only one I really know of who didn't was maximimillian dude.

[crisp gust]

yeah I figured he wouldn't he's more interested in gameplay and shit

some channels like Dynasty I didn't trust to not just insta post spoilers or plot twists or whatever

[lunar hornet]

oh yeah, him? he loves that stuff.

[restive kestrel]

What about BruskPoet?

[lunar hornet]

Don't know him.

[past marten]

off of the title alone i know its clickbait

[whole basin]

So uh, has anyone see it coming when you have a character with the name of the literal word of "damashi"?

[past marten]

anything by Dynasty is bullshit click bait

[sand sentinel]

It was a call back to MK deception

[past marten]

Well it wasn't actually Damashi, but yea

[sand sentinel]

I marked out when they said damashi lol

They had so many callbacks to the old games

[whole basin]

yeah I'm quite sure it's a play on 騙し

And I'm like huh

He just called himself a lie

oh kay

and then when it happened

it's like just foreshadowing to those who know that word in Japanese

[past marten]

Well yeah thats the Japanese word for Deception, when he was in the game, Mortal Kombat Deception

[whole basin]

ah

i never played that

[sand sentinel]

I thought it was gonna be onaga man

I was anticipating it

[whole basin]

just understood the word differently other than a name

[sand sentinel]

I def recommend

[past marten]

funny because "Damashi" in Deception did the same thing technically

[fair rock]

Is there a reason why Liu Kang has to have the villains alive in new timeline

Like can't he just make a fire kill one of Shang Tsung's parents or something

Instead of leaving him alive as a wandering salesman?

[prisma ruin]

Same reason Kronika couldn't ig

Also it seems like Liu Kang felt like outright killing people would be a slippery slope to corruption

He was very careful not to let being the keeper of time corrupt him

[hardy carbon]

Liu Kang believes in second chances and trying to make things and people better

In a dialog between him and Shang, Shang says that Liu Kang’s ‘punishment’ of Shang failed, to which he replies that he wished to reform Shang, not punish him.

Even so, you can’t just erase people from history or time. Liu Kang probably might have tried to at least permanently exterminate Shang Tsung at first, but after finding that impossible he did the best he could to neutralise him.

Even Geras says Liu Kang neutralised threats when he reset the timeline. Shao was nerfed, Sindel was good (though I headcanon that MK9X11 Sindel was always evil even before MK11’s reveal), Shang had no sorcery, etc.

And Shang Tsung the fucking snake (oil salesman) would have stayed neutralised had Kronika not shown up.

[fair rock]

Why can't you?

What's the point of being able to alter time if everything is apparently set In stone

Every single person who has ever existed will always exist?

So does that mean that in this new timeline, Johnny, Sonya, Kenshin, Jax, etc have 0 risk of dying until they have children

Seems pretty contrived

[hardy carbon]

Characters can definitely be reiterated like they have been in MK1. Tarkatans are diseased to be the way that they are and Baraka caught that disease. Mileena was a half-Tarkatan clone sister of Kitana, and now she's her twin sister and partially afflicted with Tarkat. Raiden has become a mortal and is Kung Lao's bestie.

But I feel like certain events, or at least people, are set in stone and fated to exist no matter what.

That being said, Cassandra Cage could be one of Johnny's ancient ancestors for all we know.

[fair rock]

Ok then, so why can't Liu Kang make it so that Shang Tsung is a Neanderthal or something

Or just not have him alive at the same time as other people where he can screw things up?

[hardy carbon]

I don't think it's possible to directly control or create things the exact way one wants.

Just guide events in certain directions.

[fair rock]

Then what the hell does the hourglass person even do?

[hardy carbon]

Much like evolution, molding the timelines are probably more a matter of 'good enough'.

Or if you can cherry-pick details and create it exactly how you want it, then that is far beyond Liu Kang's skillset.

[fair rock]

He's the chosen one thought isn't he?

[hardy carbon]

This is the first time he's made a new timeline that we know of. Kronika has done it countless times.

Bearing in mind that with the Hourglass under Kronika's control she would always set events into motion to make Raiden and Liu Kang kill each other, instead of preventing their existence in the first place.

[fair rock]

Although I'm honestly surprised that Liu Kang didn't make Kitana empress

Or that Mileena didn't become evil again

After what happened with bi han I was 200 percent sure that Mileena would fully turn on Kitana

Idk if that's because their writing in this story was good, or because mk11 was so bad that I had 0 expectations for this one

But either way

👏

[hardy carbon]

Whether Kronika did that because she was "'"""""""mad"""""""" or because she straight-up couldn't erase them from time we don't have any direct confirmation.

But I'm pretty sure it's saying in MK11 that you can't just erase somebody from history

[fair rock]

Iirc she couldn't directly erase Raiden specially from history

Because he's a god or something

So he's a constant

Idk about the rest though

[hardy carbon]

Which actually is why I believe Shang Tsung is the reaon Kronika is still here. She was killed by Liu Kang's hand, but when Shang took her soul he erased her as well.

[fair rock]

Kronika literally uses that exact phrase as a threat

[hardy carbon]

If Shang took her soul but didn't erase her she would have left a withered body behind. Instead she turned into sand, which happens whenever someone is affected by time magic

[fair rock]

"your name... will be wiped from history"

[fair rock]

?

[hardy carbon]

Considering the context of the story Kronika's probably just saying that to sound 3spooky5me when she really means "I'm gonna reset the timeline and this entire history itself won't exist anymore."

[fair rock]

But she's not still here?

She's dead

[hardy carbon]

Kronika appears in the start of MK1

story mode

[fair rock]

Shang Tsung was just pretending to be her

[hardy carbon]

ohhhhh

okay

cool

[fair rock]

Have you beaten the story?

It's revealed like 60% of the way through

[hardy carbon]

I don't have the game lmfao but I've been avoiding story spoilers since the first story chapter was released

[fair rock]

Oh

Then why are you here?

Bruh

[hardy carbon]

avoiding them as best as I can, mind, without YouTube fucking it all up

i mean tbh I'm not getting the game anyway so I don't care

I said 'avoiding' when I meant i haven't been going out of my way to spoil the story for myself

[proven carbon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/446011256886001664/1153102198037807244/quan_chi.mp4

[jade tinsel]

@restive kestrel no leaks

[restive kestrel]

But I spoiled it

[jade tinsel]

Doesn’t matter

No leaks whatsoever

[restive kestrel]

Ok

My bad

[opal plinth]

I am actually kind of surprised at the fact that the story of MK1 was NOT what I projected it would be.

I'm not going to spoil the narrative we do have, but instead merely state what I was predicting the narrative was going to be.

I figured that the story would have all the traditional characters of Mortal Kombat that are returning be all on the side of good, fighting in tournaments for honor or to settle rivalries; seeing as Liu Kang woud have complete control over fate and would weave it as such. Meanwhile all the antagonist characters would be new characters, chosen by the other Titans. After all, Kronika's death in MK11 would likely anger many of her Titan Siblings. So what better way to avenge the death of their sister than to let Liu Kang create his New Era and then send in malefactors of their own design to corrupt and destroy the perfect new era?

Granted that is not where the story went, which kind of disappoints me to a degree; but I do like the story we did get. Who knows, perhaps as a future MK title; the 'Wrath of the Titans' can be the narrative set up?

[meager moss]

I quite like Liu Kang's approach of re-writing the destinies of his old enemies

He gave the ones he thought could be redeemed a chance to redeem themselves

And the ones who were truly evil, plain, meaningless lives

[opal plinth]

I do agree, his approach was written well as he is a man who is to be the best of the Shaolin; harboring their greatest qualities.

[meager moss]

Even in his eyes Shao could have been redemeed

Or at least have his cunning and brutal nature used for good

He also sublty erased some of the flaws of the good guys too to prevent them from meeting the same fate as their other counterparts

[opal plinth]

However, that creates opportunity for spite. It would've made more sense to have, say Malefactor No.1, a life where he would be content. This would gurantee that Malefactor No.1 would not be capable of repeating past mistakes from the previous timeline. It honestly seems strange that Liu Kang would punish Malefactor No.1 in the way he did; seeing as it is a new timeline free of the past sins.

[meager moss]

I guess his hope was that eventually, even the most evil guys would have to begrudgingly accept their boring lives

[opal plinth]

Why allow some characters to be radically different whereas other characters to essentially be exactly the same person, but with less luck on making their machinations bear fruit?

[meager moss]

The thing with guys like Shang Tsung is that they can never truly be content

[opal plinth]

But that makes little sense since he can weave the timeline as he sees fit.

Raiden for example is now mortal and humble, a more innocent free spirited personality. His powers granted to him as a gift he had to earn rather than just being a demigod this time around.

Or Sindel (who constantly gets retconned to be either good or evil to fit the writer's desires) who in MK11 was a dastardly backstabbing scheming queen, but now is a firm yet fair queen.

[meager moss]

Yeah but after meeting his other self, Raiden's begun to discover his inner rage albeit in a way where he hopes to control it

[opal plinth]

Meanwhile Shang Tsung is still a snake.

[meager moss]

After all his personal experiences with Shang Tsung, Liu Kang probably felt that he was beyond any hope of redemption

[opal plinth]

||but that is only his ladder ending, which is still regarded as potential canon||

[meager moss]

||I had assumed every ending to be canon this time around||

[opal plinth]

Not quite. Liu Kang watched the MK11 Aftermath story unfold. He knew that Shang Tsung was designed by Kronika to be a being of ambition, greed, and selfishness. Liu Kang could have removed such qualities and instead made Shang Tsung a more humble sorcerer that could commune with the souls. Make him Keeper of the Dead in the Living Forest. If Liu Kang can completely rewrite the history of other characters ||- such as Rain now being a respected court wizard instead of an illegitmate offspring demi-god -||, then why keep some characters essentially the same person?

[meager moss]

And I guess with Liu Kang, he can craft a person's personality and create events that shape their destiny but cannot control how they react to said events or what they do with their personality

[opal plinth]

Exactly

Fate and Destiny are two separate things. Fate is what little is guranteed to happen. You are fated to be born, to live, and to die. Destiny is what little your choices can do to pull Fate into your favor or against your desires.

[meager moss]

Like he could have made Shang Tsung a kind and benevolent figure but who's to say that he wouldn't turn into what he was again

[restive kestrel]

||So during Sindel's chapter. When Shao pulled out Shinnok's amulet, Geras said that it shouldn't exist and its maker is powerless. So that means Shinnok should be a mortal now, right?||

[opal plinth]

It would statistically decrease the chances of it to say the least.

[meager moss]

yep

[green tangle]

Likely from another timeline but that’s just my guess

[opal plinth]

Basically the main story of MK1 - as written by the writers - can only happen because Liu Kang had a lapse in judgement on how to arrange the lives of certain former antagonists.

[meager moss]

Not necessarily, Baraka and Reptile were given worst lives than they had in the previous timelines and it helped to turn them good

Giving Shang Tsung a kind personality and a contended life might backfire

Similar to how Shao's life was re-written to make him a good guy only for it to not work

[crisp gust]

I wasn't under the impression that he controlled literally every single aspect of everyone's lives. Didn't he say he set up the universe, and how people turned out is on them?

[opal plinth]

While the story is great, I would have preferred we get a story of Kronika's Titan siblings biding their time to allow Liu Kang to create his perfect world. And when Liu Kang relinquished his power of Keeper of Time; they would strike to dismantle his New Era; with its designer being near powerless to stop them.

[crisp gust]

If he did control every single persons individual moments, then yeah he kinda bad for making quan chi a mining slave and shang tsung a straight bitch

but I'm willing to accept some character flaws from liu kang if it means a fun plot lol

[meager moss]

I mean who's to say that in a billion over past timelines, there wasn't one where Shang Tsung was given a better life and personality

[green tangle]

The real crime of the story is how much weaker Shao is

[crisp gust]

Also Baraka and Reptile were given worse lives only because of shang tsungs meddling right? (killing reptiles family, and presumably having something to do with exiling the tarkats)

[opal plinth]

He nudged things to go in certain outcomes. For example, Mileena is no longer a clone of Kitana but is instead her elder sister and ||the true heir to Outworld's throne.|| And then you have Sindel who ||didn't murder her own husband to allow Shao to rule at her side as Shao Kahn like she did in MK11's lore||

[meager moss]

Only to prove that in each and every timeline he would somehow pose a danger to the realms

[green tangle]

Think Goro got more W’s in the story than Shao
And he’s a Kameo

[meager moss]

I think this was an aspect of Shao's character

[crisp gust]

I'm okay with Shao Kahn not being the center villain each mortal kombat game lol

[meager moss]

He was born weak and sickly

[crisp gust]

I mean he basically almost upended the entirety of Outworlds empire, like how much more do you want from him

[green tangle]

Well yeah but let him beat up someone
They made Ermac threatening because he beat up on people before the match

[opal plinth]

To be fair, Shao in this timeline was ||weak and feeble as a child who grew stronger with his father's teachings and encouragement||

[green tangle]

Goro even knocked out Johnny and Kung

[meager moss]

It was probably Liu Kang's hope that Shao would learn to appreicate and temper his strength by being able to grow out of his weak body thanks to the help of his loving father

[crisp gust]

Wasn't Shao fucking owning people left and right? He just didn't kill any main character in the story because that wouldn't really make sense with the plot.

Like how jarring would it be if Shao Kahn in the middle of this weird damashi bullshit, just fucking Sindels a bunch of people (in MK9 sindel killed like 90% of the cast and it was fucking weird).

[green tangle]

Outside of NPCs I didn’t see him actually beat a character

Not that I remember

[opal plinth]

Well, that is mainly because of how MK tells its story.

The character you play as is going to win every battle to make the story progress.

[crisp gust]

Yeah the chapter system doesn't work too great with that sort of thing

[green tangle]

Yeah but like I said you can have villains beat characters in the cutscene

[opal plinth]

We didn't play as Shao so we don't see victories.

[green tangle]

Like Ermac and Goro

[crisp gust]

tru.

he was kinda pathetic but like others said liu kang specifically neutralized him to be such

[green tangle]

Shao killed some Umgadi NPCs and that’s it

[crisp gust]

and even despite that he was still kind of annoying to liu kang so

[meager moss]

He did win a great numbers of wars off-screen

Probably killed some centaurs and Kotal's species

[crisp gust]

tbh, I'm kinda disappointed by the story structure. Don't get me wrong I liked the story alot, more than I probably should have. But I liked in MK11 that you could choose which character participates in fights. It would've been nice to see some variety as opposed to returning to just "okay this is johnnys chapter and he fucking owns 5 people in a row"

[opal plinth]

Honestly I am hopeful we get a sort of DLC narrative like MK11 did, giving us some DLC character and villains to shine in the limelight.

[crisp gust]

I was hoping they'd evolve on that. Maybe even give us branching stories in key moments. but oh well

[meager moss]

the amount of sideplots they're teasing in the dialogue makes this seem likely

[opal plinth]

Honestly it is surprising that this was not done this time around since 80% of the time your Kameo fighter in the story mode was an actual character.

[meager moss]

Plus a couple of guys didn't get story chapters

[crisp gust]

It would've been cool to choose who won the tournament just to see how it changes things for example. Like let Shao win against Raiden and see how that affects things. Even if it ultimately wouldn't change much, it'd be interesting to see how different things would have played out.

But that's alot of heavy lifting for the story writers and animators so I kinda get it

[opal plinth]

I honestly don't like Kameo Fighters tho, since it means that we have a character in the game but without a moveset. Feels like a cop-out response to what many complained about in MKX and MK11 where we woudl fight characters that had movesets but were not available on the roster for some reason. (MKX had Rain, Baraka, and Smoke not-playable but fightable. MK11 neglected Cyrax and Sektor). Kind of irks me that some Kameo fighters get voiced roles in the story while others are just silent

[green tangle]

Yeah it doesn’t really feel the same when you’re just told someone did a lot of things before they lose like 5 times in a row

Vs Sindel and Raiden sure but he lost to like…Reptile

[crisp gust]

Darrius just kinda hangin out

love to see that

get your cheddar king

Darrius inexplicably wanting to also end earthrealm, despite, you know...living there.

[opal plinth]

I think it something that is supposed to support the credence of Liu Kang's tournament. The tourney is held now to allow both realms to see the wherewithall of those that fight and ensure that certain malefactors do not get too ambitious. Shao boasts his many campaign victories and Reiko asks how many wars Raiden has fought in. And Raiden? Is just a farmer who still kicks their butt.

[opal plinth]

He may actually be written to have a different motive this go around. But we don't know because Orange Blade is mute this time around.

[green tangle]

Each character intro is like “This is the villain from this land who was starved as a child and rose through the ranks through war and death”

Then with him it’s just like “That guy? Oh that’s Darrius.”

[meager moss]

Would be nice if he thinks Havik's gone too far and tries to stop him

Something like "I wanted freedom not chaos"

Or Darrius just using Havik as a tool to topple Seido so he can seize it for himself

[opal plinth]

Honestly that would be a nice twist. Perhaps the ||Flooding of Seido|| would be a wakeup call and we can have Darrius be a DLC character or a fighter in the next game?

[meager moss]

They always teased future tension between Darrius and ||Dairou|| in the earlier timeline but it never got to that

[opal plinth]

They can do it again, ||considering that Havik and Dairou are one and the same person this time.|| If pre-fight dialogue is to be believed.

[crisp gust]

Dang you beat me to it.

[opal plinth]

[crisp gust]

But yeah considering that spoiler, it could be interesting

[opal plinth]

I wonder of Hotaru will be a DLC fighter?

[crisp gust]

The real question is do the developers think we give a single flying fuck about Darrius to actually develop that story

I hope so

I actually really liked hotaru's design and shit lol

idk if that's a hot take or not

We already have a kind of paladin character in Ashrah though so maybe they'd skip him

[opal plinth]

Ashrah is more of a cleric. Hotaru is a lawful stupid in DnD terms.

The law is law, and you must follow it all times.

[meager moss]

since MK1 seems to be quite focused on improving on the ps2 era characters, Darrius will probably get some love

[opal plinth]

Which honestly must make Hotaru a clean freak since littering in Seido is a capital offense.

Which can be countered by asking Hotaru "If littering is illegal, what of a strand of hair that falls of your head and onto the streets?"

[meager moss]

Aside from Hsu Hao, I think every ps2 character can be redeemed by the end of this next story arc

[crisp gust]

even makado avocado

even female kano

even kano but from street fighter?

even kano but bald, oh sorry you said hsu hao

god they really liked remaking kano huh

[opal plinth]

What about Ken but Black Dragon?

[meager moss]

The Black Dragon is a thing in the new game

Maybe we can see one of Kano, Kobra and Kira

[crisp gust]

Some ps2 characters should probably just be cameos (like story cameos. maybe actual kameos too if they want). But yeah there's alot of interesting shit they could delve into

I'm glad they touched on chaosrealm/orderrealm again

[opal plinth]

You know who are really should see? Moloch and Drahmin as antagonistic characters to Ashrah.

[crisp gust]

yesss

[opal plinth]

Also, has anyone else realized that Motaro is a cyborg of sorts?

His horse body is fused with metal components and looks more like rubber instead of fur.

So perhaps Motaro will be a fighter but in a regular Minotaur/Satyr form, revealling that his lower half of his body is permanently destroyed and that someone in Outworld gave him tech prosthetics?

But you know who should REALLY make a comback? MOKAP (but as a skin for Cage)

[errant valve]

I hope Onaga comes in MK1's story expansion 🙏

Havik sets him free from that mountain knowing it'll create chaos amongst the realms 🌝

[hot forge]

The ladder endings are definitely all canon

And Raiden’s ending is definitely further setup for the Shirai Ryu vs. Lin Kuei expansion

[meager moss]

Think Shao is already working on this

[opal plinth]

My main concern is are the story bits going to be restricted to Invasions?

Would WB games go cheap?

Or will we get a full-on story mode DLC?

[digital girder]

I hope if they do they actually put the crossover fighters into it somehow

Granted MK11’s story was a bit to tight to put the terminator or robocop in it but with how much more open MK1 would be with a story expansion they could probably manage

[nimble wolf]

Is the ending teasing invasion s2 or Mortal Kombat 2

[woeful mountain]

DLC most likely

[nimble wolf]

Fair

The dark shang tsung was from mk11 dlc right

Just checking if I understood it correctly

[nimble wolf]

YO LEAKS FOR THE DLC SAY ITS A FOUR HOUR INTERACTIVE SEX SCENE BETWEEN LIU KANG AND TITAN KITANA

with test your mights included

Its about to be peak

[green tangle]

Shackled scorpion choking out Shao was just disrespectful

He made Shao give him a piggy back ride for a whole 10 seconds

Dlc story needs to give Shao some redemption
Kill at least 3 characters

[nimble wolf]

They always do the khan’s dirty

Or have at least done so the last three games

Also I gotta say
I am not the biggest fan of how they did ermac
Wished he didn’t turn into jerrod but I didn’t mind it that much

[obtuse yoke]

I just finished MK 1’s story mode and imo it’s the best NRS era story mode

MK 1 > X > 9 >>>>>>> 11

Two major issues I had were

1- ||Sub-Zero and Scorpion being brothers and that Hanzo Hasashi straight up doesn’t exist this time around||

2- ||Tarkatans are a victim of a virus and not a seperate race||

[past marten]

well...

[jade tinsel]

for number 1 ||hanzo hasashi does exist, look at smokes tower ending||

[prisma ruin]

Everyone exists in the new timeline

[obtuse yoke]

||I mean he’s not a character or a fighter just a kid taken in by Smoke and Kuai Liang. Maybe he becomes playable in MK 2||

[green tangle]

So are we spoilering the tower stuff only?

[obtuse yoke]

||While I don’t like what they did with Scorpion and Sub-Zero I think Scorpion’s wife now becoming his mentor/adoptive mother is kinda funny||

[jade tinsel]

uhh you can?? its not story spoilers so i would suggest it but i suppose you dont have to

[fair rock]

I was yelling at my screen during that part

MAKE THE CHAIN SCALDING WHILE ITS AROUND HIS NECK

[vocal swan]

No way everyone from Liu Kang's Timeline survived that Armageddon fight

[fair rock]

He's shown making the chain red hot before

[green tangle]

Ooh okay, wanted to make sure I didn’t spoil anything

Just saw that smoke one
||if it’s canon its a cool af origin but I wonder what plan Liu Kang had in mind making Hanzo a kid||

[green tangle]

Nah they had to keep him alive so he could get beaten a few more times

[obtuse yoke]

All tower endings are canon they are like “Where are they now” epilogues to each character in the main story rather than non-canon “What if?” endings

[obtuse yoke]

||Here’s my theory: Liu Kang saw that in basically every timeline Scorpion is doomed to be a vengeful spectre who watched his family die. Even in his MK 11 tower ending he can’t prevent this despite being a titan. So Liu Kang made him a kid under Kuai Liang and Harumi’s care so at least he would have a shot at having a happy family||

[crisp gust]

i mean the whole season hook is about that, maybe he's just preventing that.

although honestly, dude, the fact that the whole season is Hanzo being mad he got cucked by kuia liang is honestly so fucking funny

[hardy carbon]

Oh my god I made a joke about that before

“They turned Hanzo into an incel.”

Funniest shit I ever seen

[crisp gust]

LOL

[hot forge]

I doubt it seeing as how the invasions we know about are entirely unrelated to story

If the entire point of "Invasions" is that its alternate universe characters "invading" it wouldnt make sense to have the next chapter of the game's story be there

[vocal swan]

Do you guys think that Geras was meant to be DLC since you never get to fight him are play as him in the story mode?

[daring saddle]

No because he doesn't really interact with anyone but LK

[prisma ruin]

They all have tower endings. Only one who's iffy is Reiko. Even Sindel lives within Ermac

[meager moss]

I think its safe to say that ||Reiko's not coming back for the sequel||

[prisma ruin]

I wouldn't count him out

[meager moss]

I'm curious to see what exactly Onaga is in this timeline

He doesn't seem to be a former emperor of Outworld

More like a wild beast

[prisma ruin]

He's just big scary guy

[meager moss]

Maybe Shao will finally find his redemption with this whole Onaga plot

[prisma ruin]

I don't see how

I don't think Shao will ever be a good guy

[meager moss]

Unlike before where Shao was just a power hungry maniac, this Shao still believes that he's acting in the best interest of Outworld

When he inevitably fails to control Onaga he might finally realise that he actually made things worse

[prisma ruin]

He says he's loyal to outworld but he's still a narcissistic megalomaniac

[crisp gust]

I was under the impression that his main motivation was his hatred of Liu Kang more than anything

[green tangle]

||Liu Kang: “Finally, Hanzo is safe and happy and everything is fine-“

invasions hanzo shows up

Liu Kang: “God dammit.”||

[proven carbon]

Ha, just remembered that quick line about who else raiden face during the tournament, Kotal took another L without even being in the game

[sand sentinel]

Kotal and Sheeva

Jobbermania

[craggy apex]

i really want Kitanny to happen this timeline

they'd be cute

[restive kestrel]

There is one positive thing for him in this game. ||In an intro between Mileena and Reiko, it is said that Kotal has replaced Shao as general||

[proven carbon]

Tru

If theres a story expansion then shaos gonna break out of prison or w/e and murder kotal again

[prisma ruin]

He's already out

He was gathering dissenters to Mileena's rule which according to him had been really easy but was crushed by General Kitana

I'm pretty sure that's the sequence of events anyways

So he sent Reiko to tame Onaga

[drifting spruce]

E

[pine veldt]

Just completed invasions and ||when they showed the “season 2 coming soon” there was an audio clip of nitara screeching does that mean season 2 is gonna be based around nitara||

[digital girder]

Yeah, my dad works for netherrealm studios and he tells me the next season will be all about titan meat

Sorry nitara fans

[pine veldt]

Damn I was hoping we’d get titan belokk☹️

[digital girder]

I’ll notify my dad ed

[coarse latch]

what will new era belokk be?

probably a demon but will the dude be a hybrid

[woeful mountain]

The mythical characters of MK

Wait

I never realized that Scarlet was one of these characters

There's hope for them boys, there's hope!

[coarse latch]

The only ones I never heard of are Goldenrod and Cloak

And I’m assuming Cloak is some shadow priest dude

[woeful mountain]

Yeah, Cloak is shadow priest.

Goldenrod apparently from a Game Genie code

" The only reference to "Goldenrod" I can find is on a website listing Game Genie codes for the SNES version of MK1. They all seem to ave this code:

"66B8-14DD
Put P1 on Rayden but don't push anything,then put P2 on
Rayden, then hit right on controller2 to see Goldenrod, a
hidden Kharacter from MK1!!!!" "

So, might not have ever been a thing

[coarse latch]

Goldenrod is probably some shiny golden dude with a shiny gold baton

[jade tinsel]

Fun fact: Tanya was in mk2s code

[woeful mountain]

I can believe it

[jade tinsel]

only as a line of text that said “Tanya wins” but still

[coarse latch]

Probably was a yellow Kitana or yellow Mileena

Anyways if we bring Emerald into the game what would her lore be

[woeful mountain]

Noob Saibot came because Tobias told Ed Boon to not put in secret characters without telling the other people working on the game.

And Ed was like,"Okay. Well here's the secret character." And he showed them Smoke and the team was like,"Okay that's cool."

And then Ed secretly put in Noob Saibot.

Because dude can't stop trolling.

[fair rock]

Does anyone even play her?

[pine veldt]

I’ve seen a little bit of gameplay and I genuinely still don’t know how she plays

[fair rock]

I don't think the CPU knows either

Pretty much every time I fight her in invasion they just place a glowing red circle and spam jump

[prisma ruin]

Yes

[drifting spruce]

I hope not

[pine veldt]

Y not

It’d make her more interesting

They are selling with nitara rn mostly cause of her voice acting

They need something to save her

[fair rock]

I don't think the VA is getting any sales

Literally everyone is critisicing it (rightfully so)

In fact I've seen multiple people say that her voice is the reason they dont want to play her

[pine veldt]

Selling as in they are doing really badly

[fair rock]

Ive never heard that term before

[woeful mountain]

That's because they're using the term wrong.

[craggy apex]

i dont think it was either, Tanya is the name of ed boon's sister so he probably put that in as a test text or a little in joke

[last scarab]

I know

if I see sektor and cyrax with like

living magic armor sets

I'll actually really like them

I'm telling you, a living magic army like the dragon king armor is sick

[pine veldt]

That’s kinda surprising

[pine veldt]

😭😭😭

[restive kestrel]

Are they talking about ||Darrius||?

[pine veldt]

Yeah 💀

I love the contrast cause like ||on one hand he didn’t have any voice lines and technically didn’t win a single fight but on the other hand he looked badass doing it||

[timid vapor]

replace one of them with Tanya

cuz she's the new Umgadi leader

[restive kestrel]

||I feel like BruskPoet is just overthinking things when he was playing the last parts of the story||

[coarse hemlock]

liu kang sucks

new universe sux

kronika was right

[restive kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-peaks-kasse3bitte-peaks-peaks-gif-19022626

[pine veldt]

the town Zikandur that reptile mentions is that a reference to sikander555

If so that would be really funny

[digital girder]

Sikander555?

[midnight vessel]

"Tanya, turn off my Tarkot inhibitors!"

[vocal swan]

Who is Dorfen?

The new High Mage.

[errant valve]

i did not read this as the character meat being a titan

[hardy carbon]

Well nobody answered my question in the lore channel so I figure I’d be better off asking here

Did anyone besides Quan Chi ever say that Sindel was protecting Earthrealm with her suicide in MK9?

Or any other material for that matter?

[errant valve]

according to the Sindel mk wiki:

In reality, after Sindel’s death, Quan Chi himself created a magical ward for Earthrealm in order to use this to complete the plan to eliminate Shao Kahn.```

so twas a ruse

[hardy carbon]

Aye

I headcanon that Sindel had always been evil in NRS MK

If she didn’t kill herself to protect Earthrealm and it was a murder and a lie, then I would say Twindel isn’t a retcon but the character being rewritten

4thSnake in his MK11 Kritique brings up the fan theory that time has been reset in the past but he explains that it explicitly has not been since MK9 as Raiden still references the visions

So like it was reset between Armageddon and 9, which also could explain how Shao Kahn is the one who killed Blaze when he got carried off by Onaga in Armageddon

And due to that reset, Evil Sindel.

It’s just they never actually explained that Sindel was evil throughout MK9X11 and it only specifically comes up in MK11 because she’s neither a Revenant nor mind-controlled in that game.

[coarse hemlock]

liu kang removed free will

he is the true bad guy

[woeful mountain]

What?

Free Will exists

[coarse hemlock]

yea alrite

[serene compass]

... how?

Seriously. Sell this idea to me.
Especially when Shao still wants to take over Earthrealm and Reiko exists. Please explain to me how Liu Kang made them do that.

---

Really though - are we talking like, Liu Kang made everyone do what they did?

Or are we talking philosophically? As in, everyone's choice can just be nullified by Liu Kang resetting time if he wanted.

[woeful mountain]

Wavy likes to troll at times, I somehow keep forgetting that

[hardy carbon]

Wavy’s the dude who said a future DLC is gonna have MK characters performing fusions like it’s fucking Dragon Ball

[pine veldt]

How does kung Lao get his powers I still don’t get it

[prisma ruin]

I assume Madam Bo taught him how to manipulate his chi

[coarse latch]

Do y’all think Onaga will be a twist villain for mk1 aftermath or the next game main villain

[drifting spruce]

injustice 3 in 2 years and mk 13 in 4

[coarse latch]

Oh yeah

Do you think Onaga might be mk13 villain

Or mk1 aftermath twist villain

[drifting spruce]

hopefully we get a aftermath cuz I spent almost 100 dollars for premiun

[crisp gust]

Probably not that feels too obvious

Make the villain Morloch or something

[prisma ruin]

No way we're getting another game in 2 years

[finite mesa]

What can we expect from MK 2?

Could we get a possible DLC continuation of Mortal Kombat 1?

I really hope we do.

[finite mesa]

Like what happened with MK 11 in aftermath.

[coarse latch]

Hopefully
With Titan Havik as the main baddie

Hotaru has to be there

[jade tinsel]

he was jobber central in the story now im supposed to believe his titan is smth to be feared

be so fr

[sand sentinel]

I felt the exact same way lol

Felt so underwhelmed

[errant valve]

me when there was more than 2 timelines

[finite mesa]

Maybe it's some other bad guy other than him. Titan Havik could appear in MK 2.

I think they're saving him for that game.

[errant valve]

if that were the case why show him now instead of at the end of storye expansion

[hot forge]

Shang Tsung didn’t even have magic on one timeline while ruling in another timeline

[hot forge]

It would be really weird to have a post credits scene for the next game and have DLC that was never teased

[jade tinsel]

He learned magic

shang became powerful in lius new era

bc of other timeline shang but still

he did

[hot forge]

Yeah, but Havik didnt get that same interference

Im just saying that characters are literally more or less powerful depending on timeline

[coarse hemlock]

Liu made baraka have a disease instead of being a race

How is he not the real villain here

Shouldn’t we get an achievement for defeating a titan if we defeated Shang in the story? I guess that means he’s not dead.

Achievements don’t lie

[coarse hemlock]

Liu didn’t give them free will. Shang did. That’s why they betrayed.

[hot forge]

Liu gave them free will....

He just removed the evil inhibition

Shant Tsung just convinced him that Earthrealm was a threat to Outworld

[coarse hemlock]

Shang unlocked their minds.

If Shang wasn’t involved they would’ve lived a life that liu forced them to

Lius universe was intended to be blissfully unaware of what is real.

It’s why orderrealm exists but chaosrealm doesn’t in his timeline.

It’s clear as day.

[robust nymph]

im glad Mileena and Kitana were a pair in this game

like, a new dynamic that wasnt just "im an evil clone set to replace you" but twins who were raised together

[errant valve]

idt they're twins are they

Mileena is the older sister I thought

Since she is the heir after Sindel

[prisma ruin]

They're twins

But you know twins don't come out at the same time

[pine veldt]

Mileena is older by a few seconds or minutes

[errant valve]

duh

[coarse hemlock]

Another evidence that liu is an ass

Why would he not make kitana be born first if he loved titan kitana

[prisma ruin]

So Mileena is older because she came out first

[coarse hemlock]

Doesn’t really love her

[prisma ruin]

Think it'd be problematic if a man had control over a woman's womb

[coarse hemlock]

What about what he did to Geras

[prisma ruin]

What about it

[coarse hemlock]

He blindly does everything for liu and even reads kronika history as if liu told him about her as if it’s fact

[prisma ruin]

???

He reads her a story?

Like at bedtime

You know Geras remembers everything from all previous timelines

[coarse hemlock]

Does he know how he died

Or rather suffering

[prisma ruin]

.

[coarse hemlock]

He obeys everything liu tells him

Liu controlled everyone’s destinies in a cruel way

[prisma ruin]

If you think that then you haven't been paying attention

That's literally what Shang Tsung believes

[coarse hemlock]

He created a blissfully ignorant universe

It’s true

[hot forge]

I’m starting to wonder if you actually played the story mode

[prisma ruin]

I mean was the universe aware of Kronika or TOB before

[hot forge]

They werent and she was actively causing chaos

[coarse hemlock]

It’s freedom

[hot forge]

Yeah ask literally anyone from the previous timeline what that freedom felt like

Haha yes I dont want anyone to do anything about Shao Kahn or Shang Tsung actually I love oppression

My greatest fear is someone would rob me of my chance do be oppressed, used, and murdered by a sorcerer or dictator by creating a universe where they don’t become evil

Implying Liu Kang is the fucked up one for trying to make Shao Kahn less evil but still giving him a favorable position is dumb

Like realistically even he shoulda had them both just removed from the picture entirely but he didnt want to do that

[coarse hemlock]

Liu is not a good guy

He wants control in a perfect order. That’s why orderrealm exists but chaos doesn’t.

[hot forge]

He literally gave up control

And why is Chaosrealm not existing a bad thing

[coarse hemlock]

Why is orderrealm a good thing

[hot forge]

I mean outside of Havik’s tower ending its barley been elaborated on

Maybe it isnt

I dont think shaking your fist at Liu Kang for that makes sense

When you open the game he literally said he just created the universe with some changes, and its up to them to decide their fate

And he steps down

[coarse hemlock]

He already chose the fate and destinies of characters

[hot forge]

You are mad he didnt remake the universe exactly as it was before, suffering and all

[coarse hemlock]

Another lie

[hot forge]

Urm I think Liu Kang would be a good guy if he could stop suffering and didnt

Thats what a good guy is

[coarse hemlock]

Just cos liu says it doesn’t mean he’s right and telling true

[hot forge]

A guy who does nothing

???

As opposed to what other source

Like fundamentally the only changes he made intentionally were to dismantle the most evil and corrupt characters in the universe

[coarse hemlock]

Have to look at both sides equally

[hot forge]

You can say he was foolish to think he could achieve what Kronika couldnt

You cant say he’s a bad guy

I mean he literally played the role Raiden played in the past games but did better

Only one major character in the main new era timeline died and it was as a direct result of interference

I dont know how creating a peaceful timeline makes you a bad guy, especially when you didnt “remove free will”

Like even if you say he took some characters’ free will, they were by and large the most problematic people in the world in Liu Kang’s timeline

And the other 99.99999% of people have free will

Even Shao didnt have his free will stripped, just his evil ambition

[coarse hemlock]

He took everyone for slaughter during Armageddon

[hot forge]

What

[coarse latch]

He wasn’t like “I’m gon get all these people killed during Armageddon”
He was more like “if I wanna shove a blender down Shang’s throat, I need 5e help I can get”

[crisp gust]

Wavy schizoposting is like half the content in this server i swear

[hot forge]

He asked for aid from other timelines

He didnt force them into a slaughter

[coarse hemlock]

Just creating discussion

[hot forge]

They literally knew what they were getting into

[coarse latch]

katara vala for Havik skin

[hot forge]

It was a battle of the timelines

[hot forge]

Maybe next season

[errant valve]

need

[hot forge]

I already have everything from this season

😭

[errant valve]

I gotta grab that Nitara skin from Invasions sometime

[hot forge]

I still need to grind 3 more max level Kameos

For the trophy

Then wait for the last trophy to be possible

Then I’ll have platinum

[coarse hemlock]

Game was written by openAI

Also what I said is true

There are infinite timelines so everything I said is possible

[robust nymph]

you know whats rather amusing

if the ending was that the hourglass gave everyone their endings

there's essentially a universe in which she came into true power...

and in her world she didn't make Mortal Kombat tournaments (LiuKang). She made a nuetral evil that everyone would have to defeat by become the evil herself. Queen behaviour.

[coarse hemlock]

It is true

[robust nymph]

bring her back 😭

[coarse hemlock]

This is why infinite timelines suck

Should’ve just left it as 2. Shang and lius where there is a “good” and “evil” counterpart.

Just do the Zelda route in how games are based on 3 timelines or however.

But nope. We got anything is possible! Even kano can be a titan

[robust nymph]

Meanwhile no Erron black because he threw his glass to the bottom of the bottomless blood ocean

[serene compass]

This is why he's my hero

[woeful mountain]

TBF we got that from the movie

[whole basin]

I agree. I think we've seen this happening a bit too often where things are retconned and "justified" simply because there are infinite universes

[proven carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725379517115400233/1156732249413259395/fighting.mp4?ex=65160a5b&is=6514b8db&hm=29a3787cac54a51d5c40e0a1a614c0a7d6b3a104ecfbcfa44ac5f234d88aebc1&

[serene compass]

Again - I will not understand why people keep trying to make MK like DC by copying everything people don't like in DC comics

[woeful mountain]

Eh?

Multiverse stuff isn't disliked in DC Comics. (Example, people are hyped that Parallax from the Convergence universe thing is coming back in Green Lantern, fans do like the multiverse stuff in DC Comics)

Now, I agree that it shouldn't have been in Mortal Kombat.

But don't speak for DC

ever again

[serene compass]

I guess I am speaking for others. Fair.

But come on, dude. Every time I hear about some DC story I have to ask a million questions. Like between what events is it? Cause somethings are canon even though a couple of them are supposed to be resets. Then you have the thousand AUs - a lot of them are just there, some that matter, and some that I don't think are important but they're one of the main AUs like the Teen Titans Go universe.

Then there's a couple of Flashes and Green Lanterns (not the Corps but the one guy).

I can't even hear "Batman" without some part of my brain trying to narrow down any of the million incarnations that someone might be referring to.

And that's the big stuff. Cause there could always be a world of stuff going on around a story.

[digital girder]

So what are yall fancasts for Johnny cage in the eventual MK2021 sequel

If I could cast anyone

Me

[finite mesa]

Who will the next Sub-Zero be if Bi-Han is killed in MK 2?

Then becomes Noob Saibot?

[serene compass]

I used to say Ryan Reynolds but I don't know if that would be distracting. Or what's been going on with Ryan

[finite mesa]

Basically what I'm asking is: Who will the next Sub-Zero be if Bi-Han is killed and resurrected into Noob.

It can't be Kuai Liang since he's Scorpion in the new timeline.

[serene compass]

I wanna say they'll introduce Kuai Liang but I'm worried they'll try to be clever again and make it Cole.

[icy raft]

Bro Titan Shang Tsung can make an evil version of Liu Kang but Liu really couldn't make a good version of Shang Tsung????

[finite mesa]

Heck. Geras stated that Scorpion is the first ever "Kuai Liang variant of the character".

[serene compass]

I think the movies are written without the intention of being canon with the games considering the Arcana shit and Cole Young.

[icy raft]

They really couldve made the Lin Kuei grandmaster Noob Saibot tbh

[serene compass]

I thought Shang helping in the end was kinda supposed to be a "Good Shang"... or at least as close as we'd get.

[icy raft]

like a good vers of Noob Saibot is possible

[icy raft]

That Shang clearly wasnt from Liu Kang's universe

[digital girder]

Infinite timelines, infinite possibilities

[serene compass]

I kinda checked out in the latter half of the story.

[icy raft]

Maybe Sub Zero can revive his dead father who becomes Noob Saibot in the next game

[serene compass]

I mean... it'd be new, I'll give it that.
The Grandmaster has always been brought up but never really given too much of a spotlight. There's potential.

[uneven scroll]

they messed the story up. he didnt feel pain in mk11 lol

kronika built an army of gerases ala mk11

[hot forge]

What are you waffling about

[hot forge]

He’s referring to the one that literally was

[uneven scroll]

How could anyone other than liu raiden defeat kronikas time rewind ability lol

[prisma ruin]

Yo they just leaked Homelander's Union of Light skin!

[icy raft]

got sent back to his universe in the final cutscene so no thats also a different good shang tsung

i cant imagine god liu kang looking at scammer shang tsung and being like

"im not the chosen one you are"

and shang tsung going "you are magnaminous, liu kang"

[hot forge]

Bro

The one IN THE LIU KANG UNIVERSE

[icy raft]

bro i wouldnt consider that guy to be a good shang tbh

[hot forge]

Not “good”

But tbh better

LESS evil

Which isn’t saying much

But thats the one the other person was referring to

[lunar hornet]

I'm thinking either Frost inherits the mantle or Kuai Liang has a kid with Harumi. But it seems more likely to me that bi han might become cyber sub instead of noob.

which reminds me, smoke having nightmares of enenra, the type of demon that gave him his powers in the original timeline, is not a good sign for the lad.

maybe he becomes noob-smoke.

[finite mesa]

Noob-Smoke like in the original timeline? Pre-MK9?

[lunar hornet]

yeah

[finite mesa]

The nightmares thing regarding Enenra. Was it mentioned in his arcade ending?

[lunar hornet]

no, in bout intros

there's two that mention it.

i mostly remember the one with ashrah where she tells him enenra are the worst kinds of demons in netherealm

i think i'll have a look through smoke intros again

[finite mesa]

Is Enenra one being or a number of beings?

[lunar hornet]

she made it seem like a number of them. but i'm gonna scan through a vid and give you time stamps when I find it

okay, visions, not dreams.
https://youtu.be/ppuRjFcj31s?si=gaghyLZAimkXXEbO&t=895

the link is timestamped to that one.

"There are many kinds of demons?"
"The worst are Enenra." - 23:51

@finite mesa

[finite mesa]

Okay. Thanks.

[hardy carbon]

Revenant Smoke called himself Enenra in MKX didn't he?

what does that mean?

I thought it was a name

[pine veldt]

So u know how in smoke’s mk9 ending it shows how as a kid he was kidnapped by a cult and sacrificed and then like a smoke demon basically revived him and killed all the cultists

That demon is enenra

So his smoke powers were a result of him being possessed by a demon

[uneven scroll]

he was a ghost in mk9 who could die by getting his neck broken. then he bcame the undead when he was already dead. make it make sense 🤣🤣🤣🤣

noob and scorp were already revenants of quan chi so why everybody else had dark skin and glowing veins and they didnt? 🤣

[crisp gust]

Enenra is kind of a species isnt it? That was the name of the spirits that possessed him when he was a kid and saved him/gave him powers

Him saying he’s not smoke he’s enenra would be like “I’m not Violet…I’m a guy.”

Like yea dummy

[surreal sonnet]

So is takeda from Kombat pack 1, just going be from another timeline

Because the design is the one from the ending

[craggy apex]

just had the dumbest fuckin thought of everyone is the FBI being confused why Kenshi carries a sword around with him and he just calls Sento his "Seeing Eye Sword"

[pine veldt]

Cassie looked a lot like her mkx design

I’m so mad at how mk11 ruined her she was so good

[coarse hemlock]

Ermac had a new model in 11

Js

[pine veldt]

Nuh uh

[hardy carbon]

Woah wait Mileena has arm blades?

[serene compass]

Heh. Just imagined Kano getting arrested and the cops are standing around trying to figure out how someone with laser eyes are supposed to "drop their weapons"

[eternal drum]

After finishing MK1 Story I need a Cyber Smoke skin, he doesn't even need to keep the trident but p l e a s e NRS Dont let this be another example of cool shit in story mode that you never make available

[quaint eagle]

she is infected with tarkat lmao

what did u expect?

[hardy carbon]

I know but Mileena has never had arm blades before and up until now I didn’t think MK1 Mileena had them either

Does she grow them during a special move or something?

[quaint eagle]

only during the brutality in the picture

the donwards teleport brutality

[hardy carbon]

Alright

Man this had me thinking that it would have been absolutely epic if Mileena had a mechanic like Johnny Cage’s star power

‘Mutation’ or something like that where Tarkat intensifies and she gains more moves - like arm blades

[finite mesa]

I would love to see Cassie and Jin return.

Both of them are really underappreciated, along with Takeda and Jacqui.

Could they possibly return in a hypothetical "Aftermath" like DLC expansion, or a Kombat Pack 2?

[quaint eagle]

Yep

I wish she had

[cold silo]

That and it being like, the exact same threat as main story would make a very uninteresting next game, I feel story dlc is likely.

Exact same in terms of concept*

Its good as an extension of this games story

Kinda annoyed it was even in this one

The story went from excellent to ass as soon as they introduced it

Feel like they tried to shoehorn it in since it was trendy

Its def by far the worst part of story

You spend the whole time exploring new mk world and these characters in the new forms, it's great and interesting and engaging, then you dump all of them for lame multiverse swap shit

I get why I just think it was concluded in a very boring way

You can have the alternate shang thing still. Just don't make the resolution 'forget about the characters in the rest of story, liu has found a bunch of gear promo to fight against other gear promo and that's the end enjoy'

Felt like a trailer for customisation more than a real story ending

[quaint eagle]

the normal attack might have it too

but I think she uses her sai in the normal attack

[hardy carbon]

Yeah that's the thing she has always had sai and they've always effectively been alternatives to arm blades

at this point you can't even tell

if she had arm blades back in fucking MK5 or whatever the first 3D game was where everything is comically large because graphics sucked and cathode monitors with huge pixels you could count by eye were the only way to play games, she'd probably have more prominent arm blades nowadays

also side note: we've needed playable female tarkatans forever just to prove that arm blades are not a male-only thing

[prisma ruin]

There will be a story chapter 2 focusing on the Lin kuei and titan havik

[hardy carbon]

inb4 they completely scrap Titan Havik because NRS can never stick with their cliffhangers

First it was Shinnok who got sidelined for the majority of MKX. Then it was Dark Raiden who got fucking erased in chapter two. Then Great Kung Lao in the end of MK11 and what do ya know he's nowhere to be seen in M1K

Wanna bet Titan Havik gets jobbered?

My money is on Liu Kang or Geras erasing him from existence.

[prisma ruin]

nah he'll be the big bad of chapter 2

[hardy carbon]

For all of five minutes

[quaint eagle]

will probably come in a DLC

like aftermath

hope it's better than the main campaign

[quaint eagle]

great kung lao

?

I don't remember him even appearing

[finite mesa]

Main campaign is already good.

[quaint eagle]

has it's mistakes

big mistakes

[finite mesa]

What mistakes does it have?

Yes. It might not be perfect, but it's still good.

[quaint eagle]

I remember it having a bizarre plot hole

just don't remember which

let me try to remember

can't remember it

but I do remember that the bossfight was dumbly ez

[finite mesa]

Boss fight? With whom? Titan Shang Tsung?

[quaint eagle]

ye

"bossfight"

[finite mesa]

Okay, but at least he's not as hard as Kronika.

[quaint eagle]

yep

that was dumb aswell

[finite mesa]

To me, fighting Kronika back in MK11 was a nightmare.

She's so unpredictable.

[quaint eagle]

took me 50+ tries

maybe 100+

[finite mesa]

Dang. I pity you.

[quaint eagle]

I tried doing it on hard

spent hours

then gave up

and did it on very ez

[finite mesa]

I tried to beat arcade with Sub-Zero on easy difficulty, and yet Kronika was hard to beat.

[quaint eagle]

but I remember beating her later on hard in the aftermath

If I'm not mistaken about she even being fightable in aftermath

I might be

this shit is confusing

[errant valve]

if he survives 🤭

[quaint eagle]

Reiko is boring IMO

[errant valve]

D'Vorah should kill Onaga instead bc it would be funny asf

[prisma ruin]

Thats what I mean by story chapter 2

[quaint eagle]

oh ok

[surreal sonnet]

You think if they make a sequel, special forces and red dragons will be featured in the story

[quaint eagle]

Idk

Maybe

[prisma ruin]

Kenshi and Jax are currently stationed in Outworld on the lookout for Lin Kuei

[surreal sonnet]

Then something will happen and Sonya will try and rescue them

[prisma ruin]

afaik there's been no mention of Sonya in mk1, who knows what her role is

[surreal sonnet]

Another idea, there can be a cyber scorpion

[errant valve]

Red Dragon yes pleaseee 🙏

Black Dragon… may b.

[errant valve]

Do you just mean on Liu's new timeline or in general bc she does exist as a kameo and she has the Kano/Sonya alt timeline thing during Ch15

[prisma ruin]

Yes in the new timeline

[late bear]

What if all the fusions we fought in the final chapter... are the kreate-a-fighter characters from Armageddon?

[prisma ruin]

Then... they are

[late bear]

Does that mean all the Shreks and Gokus made are canon?

[uneven scroll]

Liu Kang healed Geras but couldn't heal Sindel lmao

[crisp gust]

isn't geras' whole thing that he heals himself

[surreal sonnet]

Yes

[lime frigate]

Bro resurrects like a lot lol

[surreal sonnet]

Well he can control time so

He can do that

[lime frigate]

True

[prisma ruin]

Weird that we didn't see him come back from death in the story mode this time

That was like his whole shtick in 11

[lime frigate]

Liu Kang’s reset nerfed him lol

[prisma ruin]

No it's just that we don't see him get killed in story

[lime frigate]

Ye I was joking

[hardy carbon]

At the tail-end of MK11 Aftermath after beating Shang.

Liu Kang makes a new timeline and immediately goes to Great Kung Lao

[prisma ruin]

Not immediately but in terms of what we saw yeah

[quaint eagle]

Oh yeah

In the mk1 trailer, right?

[hardy carbon]

Nah then in the MK1 trailer great Kung Lao is gone and it’s now ordinary Kung Lao

They mention Great Kung Lao in MK1 a couple times but he never appears

Everyone thought we were gonna actually see Great Kung Lao in action instead of hearing about him but nope

[prisma ruin]

I think an mk that had like no returning earthrealmers in the roster would have been too polarizing

[quaint eagle]

so wait

he appeared in MK11??w

was it obscure post credits or some shit?

I really can't remember

[prisma ruin]

Liu Kang's Aftermath ending

[hardy carbon]

It was literally the ending to Aftermath if you chose Liu Kang

He erases Shang, takes the crown, interacts with the hourglass, then it cuts to somewhere that the Shaolin are training, supposedly in the New Era

A guy is working at a table and he turns around to see Liu Kang. That is Great Kung Lao.

[surreal sonnet]

Remember there was a theory that mk12 was going be like the first mk tournament with the great kung lao

Could have been a cool idea

[hardy carbon]

Yeah they could have done an MK12 first

In Liu Kang’s first New Era.

Then everything goes to shit and he makes another one, turning it into MK1 lmao

[surreal sonnet]

Blaze or onaga could have messed it up

[hardy carbon]

Yeah.

Of course the whole multiverse thing still exists as of MK11

Or perhaps that entire aspect remains undiscovered until MK1

[surreal sonnet]

Mk multiverse is really interesting

[quaint eagle]

I remember till the part he interacts with the hour glass

[hardy carbon]

Aye

[finite mesa]

Who will the boss be in Invasion Season 2?

Invasion Season 1 was Hellfire Scorpion.

[prisma ruin]

||Nitara||

[hardy carbon]

btw is that just the MK1 version of Scorpion or is it a unique boss?

[prisma ruin]

mk1 scorp

[tame vortex]

Am I the only one that thinks new Quan Chi looks like Squidward? 👀

[quaint eagle]

Yes

Am I the only one who thinks Ermac being controlled by Jerrod is goofy as fuck??

[prisma ruin]

Don't worry it won't last

[coarse crescent]

Do you guys think that the DLC characters will work with the final chapter? Like imagine Liu Kang being like "Come, Omni-Man™ , we're getting closer.".

[prisma ruin]

Liu Kang: And they call me the chosen one
Peacemaker: I FUCKING LOVE PEACE

[coarse crescent]

"Yeah? Chosen one? Then why the FUCK am i doing all the work? Did yyou want fucking Batman instead, motherfucker?"

[prisma ruin]

Liu Kang: And they called me the chosen one
Chosen One:

[coarse crescent]

Holy shit.

[coarse crescent]

I hope it does. Imagine fucking Peacemaker being the reason the entire multiverse is safe. (for now)

[prisma ruin]

The character select screen seems to hint at it but only time will tell

[coarse crescent]

Omni-Man is probably releasing first, so we'll see.

[prisma ruin]

He'll be coming in the next month or so, Boon already confirmed

[coarse crescent]

Yeah, syncs up with Invincible s2.

[meager moss]

Surprisngly this was something teased all the way back in MK9

[quaint eagle]

bruh wtf

[finite mesa]

To me, I think it's a good callback to Ermac's ending in MK (2011).

Basically after Shao Kahn's defeat, the souls contained within Ermac started fighting for dominance. Jerrod came out as the victor of this vicious quarrel.

[finite mesa]

Yeah. What he said.

[hardy carbon]

Oooo baby

https://youtu.be/sUdgCjGv5V4?si=tBf4yr7jMbVZA10O

Shao is talking a lot of shit for someone in nuke distance.

It’s safer for Outworld for Earthrealm to not know about them. Earthrealm learns about other realms and they’re gonna conquer the fuck out of them.

[pine veldt]

4thsnake made a good point that titan Havik probably won’t be as big as everyone thinks cause nrs can’t commit to a storyline

Mka ends implying that taven will win only for shao to be the last one standing at the pyramid in mk9, they set up for cyber sub zero to be an important character only for him to be turned human again in mkx, they set up for shinnok to be a major threat only for him to get folded in the first chapter, have a completely different plot not involving him most of the story and only have him return towards the end

Dark raiden and the revenants were supposed to be a really big thing in mk11, dark raiden is erased in the first chapter and the revenants are just like some henchman jobbers

Mk11 sets up a storyline with the great kung lao, but in mk1 there’s like no mention of him at all

[hardy carbon]

Hehehe yeah

I think I mentioned it here earlier

I said Havik’s gonna get bitch slapped by someone instantly when the expansion comes out

And they’re gonna move on to someone else before the first chapter ends

[crisp gust]

Honestly I’m not that interested in Havik as any serious threat. If the DLC just abruptly stopped caring about the multiverse and transitioned to being about the lin Kuei or the shao rebellion I’d be cool with it

[pine veldt]

Yeah nah I don’t really wanna see titan Havik cause I’d rather see more of new era Havik, I’m hoping they expand upon him and seido in the next game

[surreal sonnet]

Tbh what is titan havoc going to do?

[coarse hemlock]

guessing his world is just a bunch of fusion characters

[coarse latch]

Sounds pretty
chaotic

[surreal sonnet]

If next game is just character fusion that would be interesting

[jade tinsel]

Chapter 13 is called Deadly Alliance
Chapter 14 is called Time of Death
Chapter 15 is called Armageddon

WHY

THE FUCK

ISNT CHAPTER 14 CALLED DECEPTION

[sand sentinel]

https://x.com/leokahnum/status/1708498285944594705?s=46

𝓛𝓔𝓞 🩷 back from the dead era (@LeoKahnum)

we were all a bit worried here let's be honest 👀

#MortalKombat1

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No shit right

[past marten]

nah for real lmao

[sand sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-gif-25421939

That was me watching that scene

[prisma ruin]

So I just had a thought. It doesn't look like Liu Kang would have died in Kitana's MK11 ending. So her making out with an alternate timeline Liu Kang would be kind of weird if the one from her timeline is still around

[somber turret]

I was like "you bring back the fucking revenants or do this stupid brainless powerscaling shit im turning the game off"

[somber turret]

isnt there a different chapter called deception?

[jade tinsel]

uhhh idk

but like

cmon

[craggy apex]

i need someone to draw Sindel dunking on Li Mei

[jade tinsel]

commission skele

[past marten]

lmao that is 1000% something he'd say

[jade tinsel]

skeletankh

if he wants to

[somber turret]

Takeda watching himself get lynched by Titan Kitana on the pyramid:

[jade tinsel]

itd be funny if they allowed guests at armageddon

[heavy knoll]

i still cant get over how they gave kung jin a whole ass character model just for him to get his shit kicked in by kitana

[jade tinsel]

hoping this means kung jin will be playable

[coarse hemlock]

theser are the same developers that gave ermac, a character who levitates, the best skin hes ever had just to kill him by falling,

[heavy knoll]

cassie and jacqui and reused face models and palette swapped gear with takeda having a new design for kp1

[jade tinsel]

bc cassie had her mkx look, jacqui had her mk11 look, but takeda and kung jin had new designs and takedas playable

[heavy knoll]

but kung jin got hoed AGAIN

[past marten]

they did the same thing to ermac in Mk11, don't get your hopes up

gave him a whole ass new design just for him to die in the krypt with literally no screentime

[jade tinsel]

:(

but

but

but

[coarse latch]

Kung Jin concept art has him have a Zuko face scar

[serene compass]

I mean, the concept was good but it came out of nowhere and no one talked about it.

It's like NRS wanted to do the idea but forgot to fit it in the script so they crowbarred it in last second.