Well he didn’t lie
#Wrestling Discussion
vapid saddle
I just still don’t see the upside to it
paper locust
Here you go lol
paper locust
Eyes on them and they setup the FTR vs Young Bucks at Dynasty with FTR being the voices of the average person being like "why are we still dwelling on this"
With those eyes on them
vapid saddle
Well
obsidian hound
ok now wehres the audio
vapid saddle
That was something 
vapid saddle
That was great
paper locust
FTRs the clear faces going forward
vapid saddle
i need the audio
They prob don’t wanna leak the context of it lol
I guess to make punk look worse ?
paper locust
I mean what could Perry have said between hair ruffles to set off punk tho lol
obsidian hound
"?hey man u cant wrestle" " o h yeah punk i will klnock u out"
paper locust
Did perry hit punk?
paper locust
Pushed him, got him in a headlock, and looked like he might have tried to swing at the end of the altercation?
Either way the footage is a nothingburger but I don't think they were expecting it to be anything other than a way to get more eyes on the angle
vapid saddle
All it was yeah
But no denying TK wanted to do this over punks shoot interview lol
Poor jack perry man 
Dude got shown being punked out on live TV
paper locust
I mean, if someone starts shooting on your product like that and you as a boss on an interview that has a lot of support from WWE, why not use that momentum and dominate online discourse during your competition's biggest weekend of the year
If you want more eyes on your product doesn't seem like a dumb way to do it imo
Ospreay addressing triple h lmao
vapid saddle
Oh god
obsidian hound
the clip is more PG than this !!!
vapid saddle
Yeah that’s what I sounds like lol
obsidian hound
WHERES TANY KAHN?!
obsidian hound
"cant even properly headlock a guy with u scrawny arms"
paper locust
Ospreay vs Danielson is going to go so fucking hard dude
vapid saddle
Lmfao
paper locust
Oapreay has good yelling promo voice but needs to work on content
obsidian hound
i cancelled my day for this
vapid saddle
Passionate promo tho
paper locust
Yea it was good
Great mission statement and he legitimately is one of the best in ring performers right now
obsidian hound
and i wasxz just starting to become a wrstling fan
paper locust
So hype for that match
obsidian hound
yeah im finding a new gimmick. f this. im out
paper locust
Jericho on my screen, smoke break
obsidian hound
jericho sucks
vapid saddle
That was funny man lol
obsidian hound
i hate jericho
obsidian hound
jericho is jus a loud mouth
vapid saddle
Now we know why this mf was smiling as soon as he came out
paper locust
Yea dude makes perry look so bad that a veteran and self appointed locker room leader was too soft about using real glass and assaulted him about it lol
obsidian hound
jack perry got PUNKED
vapid saddle
Yeah they show him getting punked out lol
I guess they didn’t have the angle with him yelling at TK
paper locust
How'd he get punked out cause Punk escalated the situation during a face to face confrontation? Lmao
obsidian hound
wheres the audio
vapid saddle
Either way I don’t Perry was gonna win that one lol
paper locust
I mean yea sure lol but I don't think anybody was expecting him too
paper locust
Like yea sure punk told the truth but it still makes him look like a bitch
Yea Joe is massive man
vapid saddle
It’s funny on both sides lol
I’m already looking forward to Drew’s next promo
The shit he’s been saying kills me
Now real question is
Do we think punk fires back some way? Or ignores it
obsidian hound
DREW GOT A BIGGER BEATING THAN THAT CLIP
c m punk to drew " when ur out of this company ur an afterthought when i am out of a company they still talk bout me "
vapid saddle
thats actually a good line lmfao
obsidian hound
vapid saddle
Punk next week on RAW
paper locust
Okada is so cool man
paper locust
WWE uses a 20x20, most companies use an 18x18
vapid saddle
is it same size?
looks the same to me
obsidian hound
to zurr poitns aint no way its the same size
vapid saddle
paper locust
It is, it's a 20x20
obsidian hound
thats crazy
vapid saddle
that was a quick match
paper locust
Other dude got the jobber entrance
obsidian hound
cm punk chants?
obsidian hound
tonys life was in danger when punk said I QUIT
vapid saddle
obsidian hound
maybe im the only one with my opinion
vapid saddle
toni !!
vapid saddle
maybe im the only one with my opinion
whats ur opinion lol
vapid saddle
factual tho
obsidian hound
id have a better opinion of aew if i didnt watch it today
obsidian hound
punk talkin bout quit that internet shit
u kno for a fact he is the one typing on r/mk discord with absurd opinions
vapid saddle
💀
vapid saddle
i love it man
vapid saddle
well idk
theyll get their raitings yes
but it put over punk
made perry look weak
crowd literally chanted "CM Punk"
idk man
obsidian hound
WHO THE HELL IS SYNRACE
vapid saddle
jordan!
obsidian hound
o
glad we all agree that AEW botched that
they were better off keeping the legend of the backstage incident
is wrestling better in aew at least?
like the actual m,atches
mossy pagoda
WHO THE HELL IS SYNRACE
obsidian hound
i just saw that people at AEW were cheering for punk while the clip was being showed
vapid saddle
i just saw that people at AEW were cheering for punk while the clip was being sh...
well what did u think of ur first AEW show
pretty damn solid despite the footage thing lol
obsidian hound
it was okay. i can see how more serious wrestling fans would enjoy it
obsidian hound
for me i barely watch smackdown so raw is just enough for me tbh
friday nite im usually doing something else
vapid saddle
aew 2019-2021 was magical
obsidian hound
idk if ill watch again though. im only a casul
vapid saddle
fair enough
i normally dont catch it live anymore as well
cause they always change their air dates at times
its not always on weds at times
obsidian hound
what dum internet shit he talkin bout
vapid saddle
what dum internet shit he talkin bout
its him in the interview describing the incident
safe crag
what the fuck was the point of showing that footage
vapid saddle
safe crag
cm punk ended aew by just chilling 😂
vapid saddle
we'll see when we get the raitings lol
see if it got them over a mil
then it might have been worth it
other than that i dont see the reason
safe crag
its not gonna be worth it in the long run
obsidian hound
i think the next few weeks is a better metric
obsidian hound
"its not a real business"
vapid saddle
TK when the fans started chanting CM Punk
paper locust
it really shows how unprofessional AEW is
Super disagree and saying punk ended aew is dumb lol
vapid saddle
Gonna need Scapegoat to clap back hard
paper locust
Perry gonna get tons of heat in Chicago friday
obsidian hound
AEW dmca the videos now lmao they mad
obsidian hound
god knows how many backstage situations just like taht has happened in the history of wrestling
obsidian hound
a lot that we dont know
is it ok prob not but is it worth making public? prob not too
vapid saddle
I’m more than sure but these days stuff gets leaked out quick
Twitter
Seems like they aren’t happy with the reaction they got lol
obsidian hound
They’ll just argue that they legally own it.
Did they put it up on utube
Omg
They skipped it on YouTube
It cuts it out
obsidian hound
This was personal and not business motivated lol
I just love seeing things like this happen
Millionaires who shoot themselves in the foot
vapid saddle
i just dont think TK liked the reaction it got everyone shitting on it lol
vapid saddle
I just love seeing things like this happen
oh its great
obsidian hound
Maybe they have secret AI audio of cm punk
Next week on a e w. “ the threat to Tony Kahn… revealed!!!”
vapid saddle
Twitter
paper locust
Twitter
obsidian hound
I don’t understand who those two people are who aired it
How are they related to the incident?
vapid saddle
Ok so they are the young bucks , the EVPs of AEW
They and Kenny omega had a backstage brawl with CM Punk a few years back so there is bad blood between them
( in AEW) as well
obsidian hound
How they hell did they become evp
vapid saddle
Lmfao well them and Cody Rhodes helped create AEW as a whole
When they were all in the same factions, bullet club
obsidian hound
Cody Rhodes helped create aew to build his own name and leave
Let’s be honest
!!!
And it worked
obsidian hound
So they tried to turn something person into a storyline spin?
obsidian hound
O so basically it’s long and dumb to the point the ultimate conclusion was that clip today
vapid saddle
nah that clip is like almost 2 years old ish
cm punk got to aew , everything was fine, then apparantly in interviews the youngbucks and omega said punk got someone fired , and another guy hangman adam page went off script in a promo against cm punk which pissed him off
which led to this
punk burying the young bucks, kenny omega and hangman adam page , like legit this is not a promo or story
obsidian hound
They refused to fire him too?
vapid saddle
then after this when punk goes backstage the elite ( the young bucks and kenny ) go back to find punk and a huge brawl breaks out
nope they all got suspended
obsidian hound
No backbone
vapid saddle
and this clip is the elite on the bottom returning from suspension making fun of punk who was still out with an injury lol
then punk finalllly returns
and then the stuff happens with jack perry as u saw earlier when they released the footage
then punk got fired
and then returned to wwe months later lmfao
crazy huh
obsidian hound
Sounds like bros before business
Ain’t no way a normal evp would allow this
Wrestling industry built diff
vapid saddle
yeah i mean ofc TK is gonna choose the elite over punk
they been there since the start , helped build it with cody
vapid saddle
yeah totally dif machine there
vapid saddle
yup
well in response to this ofc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgOlWux9NlU
pretty funny
vapid saddle
oh u know drew is writing in his notes now for ideas lmfao
obsidian hound
Drew “ I heard something about you advocating for workers rights. Seeing as how u r always injured. I can hardly say you’ve been working”
vapid saddle
paper locust
Punk is sensitive about workers rights lines
Ask hangman
Also aew does have committees and shit it's not just TK lol
obsidian hound
Let cm punk explode to punch drew someone 3x his size
paper locust
Their legal department advocated for firing Punk after that incident
obsidian hound
I just want chaos
vapid saddle
mossy pagoda
https://x.com/wrestleops/status/1778247674874982605?s=46
Clowns
paper locust
When the bucks went into punks locker room after the gripe bomb they had Christopher Daniel's with them
vapid saddle
we love chaos
obsidian hound
R they really banning the clips now for real?
obsidian hound
Their YouTube cut it completely out.
It just cuts to a ring announcer looking miserable
obsidian hound
The best thing drew and punk to do
Is recreate this exact scene
“Earlier before we went on air this happened!!”
vapid saddle
Twitter
regal timber
Well that went about as badly as expected
The clip from inside the arena is brutal to watch idk what they expected
regal timber
Just seen the ospreay thing, why is everyone in aew obsessed with constantly bringing up random shit from wwe guys on their main show
It's also kinda funny saying it given tony exists
paper locust
Idk Paul taking shots at Ospreay saying he was afraid of the grind was pretty fucking stupid and fair game for Ospreay to bring up within a week of the comments taking place
regal timber
I don't think multiple sections of your show should be about random stuff said in interviews by WWE guys
It's very literally the shit everyone mocked tna for always doing
Yeah, the stuff said about them may be bad or dumb or whatever, but your flagship show should really not be about responding to tweets and interviews
paper locust
I mean the shot Paul took happened during the wrestlemania pre show lol
But yea, idk, I don't think it really hurts anything
regal timber
I don't think it builds anything and it makes aew look small time tbh
More the punk stuff than ospreay
Ospreay thing is minor it's more that it's two of the big segments they've done being this shit
paper locust
I mean the Ospreay thing wasn't a big segment it was what a 3 minute interview lol. Also hyped the Dynasty match vs Danielson so whatever
regal timber
Yeah I just don't think bringing up triple H with a joke that's been old for over a decade is really doing anything to build it
But the punk stuff def way worse for all of it
They sure are building up to some very loud cm punk chants ig?
paper locust
I mean it was like a line? Doesn't detract from the build or anything
CM Punk chants were gonna happen regardless of what the footage showed lol
regal timber
Yes I just think it's a part of a common pattern of aew doing this
regal timber
CM Punk chants were gonna happen regardless of what the footage showed lol
I mean that's all this is really doing
How does showing punk and Perry build a bucks match I don't get it
paper locust
Well in the segment Bucks say that FTR were the masterminds of the altercation, and FTR get to come out and do a very sympathetic baby face promo that attacks the bucks. Beyond that idk
I do think it was a weird decision to air the footage
regal timber
Did they really not have anything better to build that match on lol
paper locust
Idk dude
regal timber
I do think it was a weird decision to air the footage
Yeah definitely
There was never gonna be a way they come out of it looking good
paper locust
I also don't think the footage makes punk look good either tho lol
regal timber
It doesn't but it does also appear to be what he said happened and also is punk being a dick really news?
Like we knew that already
Nothing new from seeing it, just dragging it back up
paper locust
Yea, it was pretty much like he said during the Helwani interview, which also contrasts with the original version he put out after the incident
paper locust
Nothing new from seeing it, just dragging it back up
Yea but I'm sure rhe segment got a lot of eyes on it so a ratings boost is the best that could have happened imo. Outside of that can't imagine an actual great reason to air it
regal timber
Relying on months old backstage drama for a ratings boost is not something that to me suggests great decision making going on
It really does just feel like tony took punk interview stuff super personally and got annoyed
If he didn't have twitter this isn't being aired and that's not great
paper locust
If he didn't have twitter this isn't being aired and that's not great
I don't agree with this lol. The Punk interview pretty heavily dominated the conversation leading to mania
regal timber
For aew ig
paper locust
Nah but okay lol
regal timber
But more that tony is just too online and needs to not take everything to heart
Dynamite should not be about backstage drama from months ago
paper locust
Yea and Punk shouldn't be dragging it back up during an interview months later but here we are
Regardless I don't think this hurts AEW in any significant fashion
Makes them look weak? Sure
But people saying it's 2000s WCW are braindead
regal timber
Yeah that is definitely an overreaction I think
paper locust
I definitely do wish that AEW let the product speak for itself
regal timber
It's the similar kind of brain-dead decision making but I feel really misses the point that literally everything wcw did was this but much worse, in every segment, and had nothing to redeem it
Yeah it's got the great wrestling, the stories and character stuff seems to need work but that's what the time should be going to instead of this stuff
paper locust
Bro there was a multi-week angle where Bischoff was challenging Vince to fights including having the match at a PPV, entrance for Vince and all, and having the ref count him out declaring Bischoff the winner
Aew is fine lol
obsidian hound
Real issue is aew is underfunded by Tony kahn
regal timber
Bro there was a multi-week angle where Bischoff was challenging Vince to fights ...
And that was probably the least dumb thing to happen at wcw that month
Tho icl tony should do that
obsidian hound
He should have a whole ass corporate team
regal timber
It'd be awful and stupid but incredibly funny
'nick khan I am your real son, fight me'
obsidian hound
Nick laid off a couple people I know. Wwe can fail now for all I care!!
paper locust
But yea man middle of the pack Dynamite, stupid to air the footage but it got a ratings boost I guess, AEW will dominate online discourse, there was an angle out of it. So whatever. A nothingburger that will harm AEW as much as the Daark Order goons punching air at their debut
Ospreay vs Danielson is going to be an absolute banger
Same with Swerve and Joe
obsidian hound
Cm punk chants ruin segments in wwe. Cm punk chants gonna ruin aew
regal timber
Yeah punk chants are only not irritating if he's actually involved
When he was out of action all those years it was always so annoying
paper locust
What chants are mad annoying too
obsidian hound
Yup
paper locust
Austin been out of the ring for 20 years let it goooo
regal timber
What chants are mad annoying too
When the wrestler adjusts for them it can be okay but in general yeah they're ass
Logan does quite well with them but if it's not some annoying heel why even do it
obsidian hound
“Say what if you like pineapple on pizza “
regal timber
What
paper locust
I hope Ilja makes main roster
regal timber
He will
From what we know they view him in a similar way to gunther in terms of how they want to push and promote him
With triple H in charge and how they've done nxt callups so far I don't think we'll get the awful career killing callups anymore
paper locust
I just like his theme and how crazy in the eyes he gets
regal timber
Yeah he's dope
safe crag
He's such a good wrestler
I've never seen him live but I watch clips and vids of him and he goes OFF
regal timber
Him and Gunther on a main roster match with a proper build will be insane
regal timber
Yeah they have a couple but the best I think is maybe the one with the title
There's a lockdown one too I think
It was nxt UK yeah
paper locust
I'll watch that tonight since there's no other wrestling on
Yall got any other must watch Ilja matches
regal timber
His matches vs melo are all fire
regal timber
I'll watch that tonight since there's no other wrestling on
Takeover 36, final one I think
paper locust
Cool I'll check them out tonight
regal timber
Yeah he's one of the nxt guys I'm most excited for
paper locust
That's promising. Like I said H Bomb looks brutal, a great finisher. Excited to see what he can do
regal timber
I'm not 100% sure but I think it's been kinda a super finisher at times
Like the torpedo is his go to then h bomb to fuck up your day
But I love it yeah, my favourite one rn, so simple and so brutal
We really need better entrance music in WWE icl
Everything else is so good rn but most the themes are just ass
regal timber
Yeah fr
There's a few that are fine, maybe a couple that a great, a ton I literally couldn't remember in the slightest
Surely Cody alone should show you how much a great theme can help someone lol
paper locust
And Judgement Day theme is good
Just license music sometimes
Or get someone who can make music that sounds different from person to person
paper locust
Wrestlers legit had no reactions during the Rumble because the music sucks ass and couldn't differentiate between one or the other
regal timber
Yeah I legit struggled hard to tell who tf was coming out at times
Womens rumble was especially bad for it so many of them got given shit themes
paper locust
Like music is also pretty important for the presentation so idk how WWE is dropping the ball there
regal timber
Especially with other long term issues like camera work and production being improved so massively
sour bay
“Say what if you like pineapple on pizza “
My mind immediately goes to the time they tried doing it to Undertaker and he clapped back with “Why don’t you say what if you like to sleep with your own sister.”
paper locust
Watching Ilja vs Carmello at Halloween Havoc
These dudes are really good
H-Bomb through the announcer table is wild
safe crag
Nah bro if he can't lose that belt or I'm stepping in
regal timber
https://x.com/wrestleops/status/1778453196106555707?s=46
yeah thats hard
regal timber
These dudes are really good
fr, whole new gen is crazy
bron and tiffany are fantastic too
vapid saddle
Ok but who is he facing
Tbh I have no clue lol
Maybe a throw away match against solo or some shit idk
obsidian hound
Drew versus Cody and cm punk screws him over again
obsidian hound
Lmao at the like to dislike ratio of the YouTube
safe crag
Bro got his ass beat and got paid I respect it
obsidian hound
It seems like
Cm punk was…is… best for business
People seem to forget best for business for cm punk is when he’s on top and talked about and that’s exactly what aew just did for him
obsidian hound
The best part of it all is it gives something we all can agree on and shit on
Everyone saw the train wreck coming and people didn’t want to believe they would be dumb enough to air what we already knew
I love it
I can fix aew if they hire me
vapid saddle
obsidian hound
Cena versus Batista versus the rock. Battle of the wwe movie stars
At aew I would cut the roster minimally in half. Not offer payments per show appearance. You get a contract, merch, and travel expenses.
I know I’m the old days they had pay per show but problem with that it was often star roster and mid low cards never were able to work until last minute thus living check to check
obsidian hound
I know they get contracts but they have a huge roster
paper locust
Yea and 3 shows a week
obsidian hound
That’s nuts
vapid saddle
Tbf TK did release like 10 people recently lol
paper locust
4 if you count roh
obsidian hound
They should do weight divisions too
paper locust
Why?
obsidian hound
Realer than rey Mysterio versus big show
Makes ppv headlines spread out over the year
Works in boxing which is also fake
Would translate easily to wrestling
vapid saddle
This mf
paper locust
Except stuff like Rey Mysterio vs Big Guy typically draws well and gives the audience an underdog to root for. Weight classes also typically don't go well in wrestling. Like weigh in segments and stuff always flop. There's a reason they got rid of the lightheavyweight championship and relegated the cruiserweights to obscurity
Seeing cruiserweights vs big guys is also hype due to how the match has to be structured for the offense to be believable.
Don't get me wrong, with the talent that WWE especially has I would love for a cruiserweight class to be given literally any time to shine. It was rhe main draw to WCW before the NWO happened too
Also what made Smackdown dominate Raw for awhile was Heyman willing to showcase smaller talent the same way they do for big muscle men
vapid saddle
I remember back in like 2016/17 on RAW they’d have the cruiserweight division spotlighted and it was great matches every week
Dominated by PAC
obsidian hound
Only reason ceuiseweight failed was they never main evented it
vapid saddle
Until Vince thought I’d be funny to have Enzo emore beat PAC for the title and pretty much ended the division 
paper locust
Only reason ceuiseweight failed was they never main evented it
They didn't give a fuck about it at all
obsidian hound
Same with divas for years
paper locust
They moved the cruiserweight championship to 205 live
Which got as many views as like a developmental show
obsidian hound
Divas are sick now
paper locust
Just killed it
obsidian hound
Also I feel like year after year we get freak athletes
paper locust
Wavy if you want crazy action go back in the vaults and watch WCW stuff. Eddie vs Rey Mysterio, Rey vs Psychosis, really any Rey stuff before they removed his mask
Shit was sick
vapid saddle
Very good matches
paper locust
I wanna say eddie and Rey meet up again in ecw but I don't remember
Man growing up wrestling was so good between wcw and wwf I'm bummed that people are actively rooting for aew to fail because we could have that back
obsidian hound
What makes aew distinct from wwe?
paper locust
They wrestle a different style and have working relationships with NJPW, CMLL, and AAA. Enabling them to showcase international talent we wouldn't otherwise see. They types of wrestling we get to see as well. Lucha, catch, puroresu
Also just deadass more wrestling per show
obsidian hound
As a casual just learning I don’t see it as being different
paper locust
Raw will typically have <50 minutes of wrestling, Dynamite will have like an hour or more
obsidian hound
That’s how they grow imo
paper locust
I mean I think they're very different, from presentation onward
paper locust
Also, AEW doesn't shy away from bleeding. And some fueds need that color to be taken to the next level imo
And dude honestly AEW willing to do 60 minute matches on TV for free is so sick
paper locust
I just like wrestling man, and AEW does actual wrestling the best imo. Besides Kenny Omega is my personal GOAT so I'm rocking with whatever company has him
@vapid saddle speaking of Pac, Okada vs Pac is going to be an all timer
vapid saddle
5 star match incoming
paper locust
Yea dude I think those kinds matches if done well rock
You gotta find a big guy willing to bump but they're not bad
paper locust
Friday at 10 est for Rampage
vapid saddle
After Smackdown wavy
regal timber
Evan borne versus big show
I mean the main issue there is Evan bourne was a midcarder at best and big show stopped being able to move a long time ago
The small guy has to be good
Bryan Lesnar is another good example of it imo
Weight classes bad bcuz wrestling is about stories, not about trying to replicate what competitive sports do
And David Vs Goliath is as classic it can get for a wrestling story lol
paper locust
Speaking of photos that go hard
obsidian hound
Weight classes bad bcuz wrestling is about stories, not about trying to replicat...
U can have stories still nothing can stop that except bad writing
I’m not saying those matches can’t happen but they shouldn’t be for titles
I don’t think wwe should do it but I think aew should consider it if they want to grow their audience beyond just trying to grab wwe audience
regal timber
What audience is that getting wavy
obsidian hound
What
regal timber
Adding weight classes does nothing to attract them because it's still not real
obsidian hound
Boxing is fake
It’s not like there is no overlap in markets between wwe, boxing, and mma
They only benefit from a larger outreach
paper locust
Except it doesn't work like that lol
obsidian hound
Marketing? Yes
regal timber
The fanbases do not overlap in the way you seem to think
obsidian hound
I don’t think it’s that niche tbh
regal timber
It's not about it being niche, it's about the two things having completely different appeals
obsidian hound
Wwe isn’t competing with aew. They’re competing with other entertainment television
regal timber
Combat sport fans find fake fighting annoying and don't watch it, that is not some guess, its an established thing iirc
paper locust
It is lol
Besides that would mean dedicating segments to weigh ins and shit and that would suck
regal timber
Yeah trying to be like actual sports is a moronic idea for wrestling companies, one that has been tried and failed several times
obsidian hound
That doesn’t even need to be aired really
A few lbs over isn’t a big deal
Since it’s fake
regal timber
All weight classes does is limit the stories and matches you can have, for literally no reason
There is no benefit
obsidian hound
Stories don’t get affected if you write a good story
regal timber
Tell me how weight classes improves something
paper locust
And what's more classic than David vs Goliath
regal timber
Yes you can still tell stories with weight classes, but less, and for no gain
obsidian hound
I think you are misunderstanding me
regal timber
No i think this is a pretty fundamental gap in your understanding of wrestling
obsidian hound
I said nothing differentiates aew from wwe for casual viewers like me.
paper locust
@regal timber this Ilja v Gunther match is Banging dude too bad its pandemic era
obsidian hound
That’s the whole premise
regal timber
<@191464097441644544> this Ilja v Gunther match is Banging dude too bad its pand...
Their second one is even better and has a crowd
obsidian hound
Why would I want to watch aew when I can watch wwe?
paper locust
No shit? You know when that was?
Because AEW has more in ring action
Because AEW regularly highlights different styles of wrestling
regal timber
That's a reasonable point and also why aew shouldn't try to appeal to the casual crowd, they do not have the resources or brand to match WWE at their game
obsidian hound
It’s different to you because your an experienced viewer
regal timber
They appeal to the more hardcore crowd, like indies have for decades
obsidian hound
It won’t capture someone like me
regal timber
It is literally impossible for aew to ever compete even slightly with wwe on casual audiences
Which is why they don't do that
obsidian hound
It need to capture outside of wwe
paper locust
They cater more towards hardcore fans for sure and that's fine
regal timber
And why sabotaging their product for ideas proven to fail, is bad
obsidian hound
Which it’s not doing
It’s not proven to fail because nobody ever did it realistically
regal timber
Because doing it realistically clashes with the concept of pro wrestling and cannot work
obsidian hound
Nah
regal timber
Please tell me how you think this would actually be implemented
paper locust
There's a reason WWE moved away from the light heavyweight title and division
regal timber
Please tell me how you think this would actually be implemented
But answer this wavy
obsidian hound
Easy. Titles are based on groups
paper locust
I think I'd rather get shot than take a Gunther chop dude jesus
regal timber
I think I'd rather get shot than take a Gunther chop dude jesus
They're brutal
obsidian hound
You can have a lightweight verse a heavyweight and still have David for Goliath
The champion lightweight verse champion middleweight would be nuts
paper locust
If you still do that what's the point of adding weight classes
regal timber
No shit? You know when that was?
Takeover 36, the final of the next takeovers, august 2021
obsidian hound
Titles main events are rotation
regal timber
You can have a lightweight verse a heavyweight and still have David for Goliath
And how are you establishing contenders for these titles or building stars? Segregating the entire division or what
regal timber
How does the tag division work
obsidian hound
By win loss? Like they always are
regal timber
Do you really think WWE has enough over heavyweights/light heavyweights etc to actually have interesting title scenes?
regal timber
By win loss? Like they always are
But do they have weight divisions too?
obsidian hound
Wwe doesn’t need it tho. I’m not saying they should do it
regal timber
You lose a ton of variety in matches, every title scene is instantly limited and tedious
obsidian hound
I’m saying aew should
regal timber
And I'm still waiting for how this would in any way be better than what either company currently does
paper locust
Another problem is there isn't enough time to develop specific weight divisions
obsidian hound
Aew roster larger than mvc2
regal timber
Its basically tying your hands behind your back for every title in your company
It's a company killing idea lol
paper locust
Yea and only 5 hours of showtime across 3 shows
obsidian hound
Don’t think so
regal timber
Well you're just wrong lol
obsidian hound
There’s no evidence I’m wrong because it hasn’t been tried
regal timber
None of this stuff has ever been a success, there's nothing to suggest implementing is remotely practical nor entertaining, it makes every title scene worse overnight, all to attract an audience who do not care about pro wrestling
paper locust
Nobody's tried shitting directly in their mouth but that's still a bad idea
obsidian hound
That’s a bad analogy
regal timber
Moreover, wrestling fans don't want that? Cool you're gonna bring in 30 UFC fans and alienate your entire dedicated fanbase
paper locust
Moreover, wrestling fans don't want that? Cool you're gonna bring in 30 UFC fans...
20 of which will turn it off because it isn't real lol
obsidian hound
Because what I said already has evidence of working in other programs.
regal timber
AEW would quite literally die overnight
obsidian hound
There’s no evidence that it would fail
regal timber
Because what I said already has evidence of working in other programs.
In entirely different mediums and types of entertainment sure
paper locust
Wavy been a wrestling fan 2 weeks and is gonna fix AEW I believe lmao
regal timber
There’s no evidence that it would fail
There's not a single reason it makes anything better whatsoever, and considerable reasons for how it limits the entire promotion and talent lol
regal timber
Yeah wavy this is very much 'ive seen two wrestling shows I know everything' energu
obsidian hound
It was never done
regal timber
Like it's worse than a troll take
It requires active ignorance of why wrestling works, what the appeal is and what fans want
obsidian hound
Okay well aew can keep going after the wwe audience. I just put my opinion on what I think would differentiate it
paper locust
They're not going after the wwe audience
regal timber
They aren't going for the wwe audience and you can't differentiate it because you've watched wrestling for a month lol
obsidian hound
It seemed like the same product
regal timber
To you
keen yew
Post positivity
obsidian hound
Yeah. A casual viewer who isn’t part of the wwe universe
keen yew
2 girls kissed on Dynamite
obsidian hound
I’m telling you objectively as a casual viewer it looked the same to me
paper locust
Post positivity
Okada vs Pac at Dynasty
paper locust
And that's fine dude lol
regal timber
Post positivity
Zurr discovered ilja
paper locust
Ilja is sick
keen yew
Im slowly working to get in shape for wrestling school at some point
regal timber
He always looks like he's being murdered in his matches I love him
keen yew
(again)
paper locust
Watching takeover 36 now
obsidian hound
I thought ilja sucked on raw
regal timber
He did well in a short match lol
paper locust
Im slowly working to get in shape for wrestling school at some point
Ayy!! Good luck man!
regal timber
It was a brief intro
regal timber
Watching takeover 36 now
Enjoy it's awesome
obsidian hound
His finishing move is a torpedo head but?
obsidian hound
What’s that
paper locust
Finishers used to be a DDT or a fisherman's suplex lol
Gunther's is just a powerbomb iirc
regal timber
Gunther has many
He's ended matches with just about everything
It's part of the fun of him
obsidian hound
What is h bomb? The flying forearm?
regal timber
Last symphony, powerbomb, lariat, splash, sleeper, boot, chop
The elbow to the face
paper locust
Gunther the only dude I would buy who could finish a match with a chop
regal timber
Lemme get a clip wavy
obsidian hound
also codys flying finisher SUCKS
paper locust
What is h bomb? The flying forearm?
regal timber
Cody cutter slaps idc
obsidian hound
yeah if it hits rite
paper locust
Cutters are just cool
regal timber
One of wrestlings great truths
obsidian hound
rko is the best finisher
paper locust
Shout out to Laurinaitis the piece of shit lol
obsidian hound
10/10 accessibility
regal timber
Yeah that's why they're so sick
obsidian hound
rko outta nowehre
regal timber
Super versatile
I love a brainbuster when it's done right
The one at mania was awesome
paper locust
Yea I think Mox's death rider is a good iteration of it
regal timber
Did you catch mania zurr?
regal timber
Yeah that one was kinda ass icl
Worst of the weekend
At least the spear in main event was sick
obsidian hound
i thought super kicks were finishers not an every second move
paper locust
It might be the single worst match of the decade that shit sucked
regal timber
The 6 woman tag was fine but those two were probably the only duds on the whole show
regal timber
It might be the single worst match of the decade that shit sucked
I think part of it is that there was actually loads of hype for it and then it was that
So that makes it worse
Night 2 I think had 0 misses and the higher peak but both slapped imo
paper locust
And the Jimmy "please no" fake out that no one bought made it worse
paper locust
Yea night 2 was good but Awesome Truth can't retain for long the miz sucks
regal timber
Opener I enjoyed a lot, ladder match was a fun spotfest, gunther Sami was awesome
obsidian hound
i didnt buy their fued because rite before their match they filmed a segment together to build anticipation for their match. wouldnt they be fighting each other
regal timber
Yea night 2 was good but Awesome Truth can't retain for long the miz sucks
Nah miz is fine, it was a feelgood win for truth though miz is very much an accessory here for sure
paper locust
Nah miz is a bad wrestler just up and down
regal timber
Pretty deadly or someone winning it very soon would be nice
He's an okay wrestler, he does fine in the right spots, can have some very decent matches with a great partner to lead it
His current spot I think is ideal for where he is
Entry level feud, midcarder who can take losses to build someone anytime, celebrity spots
paper locust
Yea. At least it's not a jericho situation where I'll actively turn it off
regal timber
I think the highest he needs to be featured is how he was with gunther
paper locust
Jericho needs to take fozzy on an 80 month tour or something man just get that bum off my screen
obsidian hound
hes just one of those people carreid by being a loud mouth
regal timber
Jericho seems to have lost his main strength of not stagnating
That was always his thing before aew
Go away for a while and change it up
regal timber
Yeah he's old these days
Can't imagine decades of binge drinking have helped either
paper locust
Kills the person he's teamed with too. Shit just sucks man take a break with your Maga anti-woke wife
regal timber
Yup
obsidian hound
go back to fonsey and awayh from wrestling jericho
u suck
u kno who was cool back in the day
tajiri
paper locust
Yea dude Tajiri was sick
paper locust
Depends on who you ask. At one point it was internally thought of as a second brand but after AEW beat them on Wednesdays they were called a developmental territory
They used to have an agreement with OVW and FCW to be their developmental tho. Orton, Batista, Cena, Lesnar all "graduated" from OVW same time and went main roster
Roman was a FCW guy
regal timber
or is there developmental before nxt
They run shit at the performance center
So they train there and do promo work and stuff there, then they move onto to nxt when they're ready to actually learn working in front of a card and for tv
Or sometimes it's indie talent just learning the wwe style for TV or figuring out a character, not just brand new athletes l
vapid saddle
Tbh just make TK an on screen character lmao
Play into it and make it into a character
regal timber
Which is fucking dumb to me
Idk I think they've handled her very well tbh
paper locust
She didn't need to go to the PC
Trained by the Nightmare Factory and Bryan Danielson
regal timber
Idk I heard she still wasn't great and needed more experience
Either way holding her back and building her this way has been great for her
She didn't really fit in the title scene so soon before mania, and now she's already a star and ready to start a streak or something it seems
I'm feeling undefeated streak all year into beating rhea for the title
Or beating whoever, there's a few good options
Heel Bianca vs Jade would be cool
paper locust
Yea I'm 50/50 on if I want Goldberg booking or giving her longer matches
paper locust
She'll get there, she has all the tools imo
obsidian hound
Is the diva titles split in the shows
I forget
I feel like I see them both on shakedown
Smackdown
keen yew
Diva titles?
regal timber
Womens titles
They are separate yes
Diva's title and name got dumped several years ago
vapid saddle
Woman’s world title and womans wwe titke
regal timber
i dont think they have distinct names yet do they
i thought it was raw/smackdown
thatd make more sense tho
especially replicating heavyweight title design
women's titles do genuinely feel of equal importance to me tbh
champ makes the difference but the belts themselves could be the top title fine
vapid saddle
i dont think they have distinct names yet do they
Nope they are just named the same after the men’s
paper locust
I can't believe I lived through a "bra and panties match" era
vapid saddle
Dude it was insane
I was like 8 years old watching that shit smh
Trish Vs mickie James was my fav feud in that era
keen yew
I felt super oblivious to all that cause I was a kid
Idk if its cause I didnt like girls yet as a kid but nothing of the Women's stuff I saw really stuck with me unfortunatley
Im very glad they have actual matches and stuff in wwe specifically, I know when I talked about wrestling to others since I got back into it in like 2017 that the general knowledge people might have had was assuming thats Women's matches and stuff was still relegated to that kind of subject matter
Of course though the wwe patted themselves on the back for making womens wrestling more proper even though it was also their own fault 
regal timber
Yeah zero chance AJ even comes close to winning but I will never say no to him in a main event feud
Would be a good first feud for Cody tbh
obsidian hound
I read a report that said once tko decides to take full control they are moving to weight divisions
paper locust
Only source for that was a tweet with no source attached from an article 7 months ago
obsidian hound
Yall watching ufc? They have wrestling there
The best wrestlers body strikers
Is wwe staying pg on Netflix?
regal timber
Yall watching ufc? They have wrestling there
no, i find it brain numbingly boring
obsidian hound
I remember watching punk
vapid saddle
Yea who can forget him getting destroyed lol but respect for him trying
vapid saddle
Twitter
obsidian hound
He wasted his potential with wwe
vapid saddle
2019 wwe…
obsidian hound
Nothin will beat Muhammad Hassan or eugene
That has to be worst characters invented
Who would be worse than those 2?
vapid saddle
obsidian hound
Preying on Americans
vapid saddle
Fire theme too
Well he was the heel but spoke the truth though , he was hated cause he was Arab American, crowd proved him right and booed lol
vapid saddle
Yeah Eugene character would NOT bold well in 2024 lol
vapid saddle
Weirdo is a understatement that man was sick
obsidian hound
The people I knew who worked at HQ said Stephanie was one of the sweetest ppl they knew
keen yew
https://x.com/fosterling30/status/1778491726841168010?s=46
THA BIG DAWG 
paper locust
I think he's decently solid is ring but everything else about him is super weak
regal timber
i have no thoughts on him and he looks kinda whatever (literally looks i mean, i havent watched much)
obsidian hound
Aew tonight. Remind me pls. I’m always willing to give a second chance
paper locust
https://x.com/wrestletalk_tv/status/1778805696269549842?s=46
Learning Tree is definitely a stable name
Get this fucking bum out of my company please dude
I'm literally begging
vapid saddle
He’s just trying too much at this point lol
paper locust
This isn't 2019 we don't need him man
vapid saddle
Aew tonight. Remind me pls. I’m always willing to give a second chance
After Smackdown
regal timber
Learning Tree is definitely a stable name
this is the worst news tbh
means he's trying a new look or character and thus guaranteed to probably be on tv for foreseeable future
vapid saddle
vapid saddle
ok i def see AJ vs Cody now
and it looks like cody is on smackdown
AJ wins cause logan paul or theory waller costs KO
LA knight cause karrion kross costs lashley
then AJ wins against Knight cause i doubt HHH would do a face vs face with Cody vs Knight
regal timber
I do not think Kross and Lashley need to keep feuding tbh but yeah I think AJ may actually win
Best possible first feud, since whoever it is cannot beat Cody, at least it's my favourite wrestler ever against one of my current favourites so I'm eating good
paper locust
Has Kross gotten better or does he still suck with a boring gimmick
vapid saddle
Meh
The new faction is cool but it’s not clicking with the crowd
I’m kind of over the “spooky” faction shit if I’m being real lol
paper locust
Oh is he in a faction with AOP?
paper locust
Kross is just Boogeyman minus the stuff that made Boogeyman cool
obsidian hound
AJ styles vs LA knight again. ends in DQ
triple threat for the belt
cody loses after 1 month
roman returns and wins the belt again
champion for another year until rock returns and they have their wrestlemania match
obsidian hound
im tellinjg u i have great ideas
WWE and AEW should hire me
i would legit have the most realistic stories
like my concepts will make current profits look miniscule
vapid saddle
obsidian hound
yall ready to watch with me tonite?
vapid saddle
wwf time in 15
obsidian hound
i still stand by what i believe about cody rhodes
i got my vodka seltzer ready
and notepad up so i can put notes comparing wwe and aew
i will rating things from -10 to +10
paper locust
Who needs Meltzer's stars
obsidian hound
regal timber
I do love cody
paper locust
God that neck tattoo sucks lmao
paper locust
A little smaller and it would be fine
regal timber
It's an awful decision but meh I'm used to him having it now
I want Bron tonight
And most important I want tiffy time
paper locust
Does wwe ever start with a match or is it always promos
regal timber
They most often start with promos, good to start the show
Plus he's 100% being interrupted to set up something for later
All wrestling promos exist to be interrupted tbh
paper locust
Practically yea
regal timber
Fuck yeah a ppv that I don't have to stay up for
paper locust
Yea I love earlier ppvs
regal timber
I'm so used for everything being at 1am that a like 7/8pm start is so good
paper locust
Yea that's like 1 in the afternoon for me and I love that lol
paper locust
KO is over as hell too
paper locust
He really is
regal timber
Great promo, fun, great in ring
Also I love how WWE is so hot rn they've changed the stages to fit more people lol
No big titantron for the foreseeable future
paper locust
I honestly prefer that lol
regal timber
Yeah it's cool, nice change
paper locust
Like it'd be cool if entrance videos were actually vids instead of a gif of their name
regal timber
Gimme some good camera work today pls they've said they're trying even more new stuff
Hype for bayley, that match was so good
Might be my favourite on the merits of the wrestling of the weekend
Obvs main event was by far my favourite but as actual wrestling matches it's probs Bayley iyo or Gunther sami
Lol they got no locker room now
paper locust
"Yea they got a broom closet over there" lmao
I really like KO man I think dude is a star
regal timber
Yup
He's basically a permanent main eventer now
Pretty indestructible
Vaguely this gens edge in a way?
paper locust
That's great because afaik he's never had an outright bad match
regal timber
His matches at worst are usually fun spot fests and generally good to great
obsidian hound
Right now I have the intro of smackdown at a -18
regal timber
Plus he's one of the most natural on the mic there is, he and Sami both make everything feel so real
Wavy your score is irrelevant when tiffy time is coming
obsidian hound
in detroit -10
start with cody rhodes +5
cody suit +1
neck tattoo -10
LA night into commercial break +1
Commercial Break -5
regal timber
Also for this new era shit it's going from summerslam 2022 right? That feels right
paper locust
Seems to be a very refined system wavy I dig it 
They're coming pretty close to here for raw wonder if I could get tickets
obsidian hound
is smackdown bigger ratings than raw?
regal timber
Think it depends on the show and what's running against it? They're on diff networks too in america apparently
regal timber
They're coming pretty close to here for raw wonder if I could get tickets
I'm gonna see if there's a UK tour coming
paper locust
Shaemus return Monday? Bet
regal timber
Tbh I might just see if I can get great seats at a house show sometime next year
Doesn't seem they do many ppvs
Bobby time
Love his entrance
paper locust
Lashley in a faction with Street Prophets?
regal timber
Has been for a while
They've sort of been doing very little and feuding with Kross's faction really
Not particularly over at all
Nor is santos escobar despite the many attempts lol
paper locust
No shade to Dawkins but just make Montez a solo act
regal timber
Yeah he's super talented
paper locust
Insanely athletic
regal timber
It was 100% carlito lol
regal timber
Wavy the shows are like this every week there's always tons of ads
American TV is just like this
paper locust
Tiple threat match I'm leaving the ring and getting a chair
obsidian hound
smackdown aint doing too hot in my ratings
regal timber
Yeah what it really needs rn is a weight class so this match can't happen
obsidian hound
arent they all in the same weight division tho
regal timber
Nah
paper locust
Do you think Bobby Lashely and Escobar are in the same weight class
obsidian hound
bobby is mega heavyweight
paper locust
Lashley is built like a muscular dorito
obsidian hound
la nite and sanots are same tho
regal timber
There's about 15kg different between knight and santos
obsidian hound
so
regal timber
Idk what the specific classifications are for weight classes
regal timber
So bobby in the top bracket, knight in the middle, Santos at the bottom one
Excellent idea wavy you are COOKING
obsidian hound
yup sick rite?
regal timber
I love how it makes 90% of feuds impossible, kills factions and limits every single wrestler on the card at once
Yeah go knight
obsidian hound
winner of this match gets fast tracked to fighting their weight divisions champion
regal timber
This match quite literally is already for the chance Cody, winner faces winner of other triple threat to become no.1 contender
Carlito gotta spit in his own face for that one
obsidian hound
paper locust
Solo vs KO?
obsidian hound
no because thats a good booking so it obv wont happen
regal timber
Bloodline coming out to solo's music and him leading them : 🤔
paper locust
Please no
obsidian hound
setting it up that roman returns and gets the other belt
paper locust
Could be, might be a promo?
Please no
regal timber
Oh right
The ending of that match completely missed for me lol
None of us had any clue who tf they were
Oh fuck solo might kick out Jimmy and add fatu
I just clocked
obsidian hound
holy shit!!!