Color Modules set 3

[sudden mauve]

Simon Stakes, Simon's Fourier, Submarine Submarine, 3D Tree, Tedium Tree

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Simon Stakes: Unfair's Forgotten Ciphers
Simon's Fourier: ENA Cipher
Submarine Submarine: Blue Cipher
3D Tree: Yellow Cipher
Tedium Tree: 3x3 Yellow Cipher

Simon Stakes

Press an LED flashing in additive morse code based on its flaw

basically

its simon sends v2

and really hard

Simon's Fourier

Identify the images drawn simultaneously by three fourier series

this is the module i was talking about that was

that probably IS impossible to implement

because it has so much strangeness

Submarine

Do math based on compounded words

3D tree

do coinage but painful

Tedium Tree

(partial manual)

like 3D tree, but on a 7D polyhedra

i didnt forget to skip the pain

im really happy with Simon's Fourier

because i can only imagine it

if it were theoretically possible to make

to be really painful

this was the "octadecayotton" i was talking about

k wanted an octadecayotton but easier to read, but still requires defuser sided work

[sudden mauve]

thank you to obvi opening my eyes to this

this "pain" i was describing

it is called artifical difficulty

i am artificialmaxxing the difficulty

[ashen falcon]

that's not a good idea though

[sudden mauve]

i like to make painful manuals

[ashen falcon]

it's better to have hard concepts than hellish executions

like I've made several nasty modules, but all of them have their difficulty rooted in their respective core concepts

which makes them a lot more enjoyable overall

[sudden mauve]

this is true

however

i also want to see people suffer if these ever get implemeneted for some reason

[ashen falcon]

you could also just make the concept harder to wrap your head around rather than making it copy paste hell

[sudden mauve]

thats an interesting idea

i think all of the modules ive created are founded in copy and paste

[ashen falcon]

...that's literally aiming for less artificial difficulty

[sudden mauve]

I HAVE AN AWFUL IDEA

this gotta be my most painful one yet

so imagine rng crystal but more painful

[ashen falcon]

You know no one would play it, right? That's just straight up not fun. Additionally, consider that RNG Crystal was released as an April fools joke

A design philosophy I once heard was: "If you wouldn't enjoy playing it, why would you make it?" With that in mind I'd like to ask you: Would you really want to play a worse version of RNG Crystal?

[sudden mauve]

i would enjoy making a manual that would inflict pain to the reader

[ashen falcon]

does Spectre Maze fit that description?

making a manual that overwhelms the reader can also be done through terrifying concepts

[sudden mauve]

i have not seen spectre maze manyal

lets see

this has inspired a new awful module idea in me

[ashen falcon]

please do not rip my modules

[sudden mauve]

its not a rip off

i could just

i could combine the previous idea with this one if i felt truly evil

i cannot wait to write this manual

i have a truly awful idea

possibly my worst one

[ashen falcon]

can I hear the concept?

I want to judge the concept

[sudden mauve]

the lower the score you give the better

so basically

we have like

a 8-20 sided shape

(2D)

and its a maze

but

of course we dont know what the maze is

and all you need to do is get to the edges

but the walls

there is 2 walls per tile

[ashen falcon]

how would the shape itself be a maze?

[sudden mauve]

i mean its a tile on a maze

[ashen falcon]

how big is the maze?

[sudden mauve]

you have a 1/10 chance of hitting a wall if you just guessed

dont know

im trying to think

the optimal maze to cause as much pain

without being too long

[ashen falcon]

maximising pain is a bit tricky to do algorithmically

[sudden mauve]

id say 15 movements is alright

so maybe

30x30?

and to find the walls in the maze

[ashen falcon]

also will this shape leave holes? how does it tile?

[sudden mauve]

you can eithr

do really complicated

[sudden mauve]

it can tile on itself

like

[ashen falcon]

the shape is variable so how will it tile?

[sudden mauve]

it can

ill draw a picture

[ashen falcon]

how does one figure out for any given shape how it's laid out on the plane

some shapes have multiple tilings

some shapes have tilings with weird layouts that makes every single one of them different

[ashen falcon]

are you just going to table them?

[sudden mauve]

they cant be tabled

so to figure out the walls

you can do some semipainful calculations to find 2 walls

or you coudl just gamble

[ashen falcon]

if those shapes intersect that's not a proper tiling and you'd just end up with some kind of graph theory jank

[sudden mauve]

if thats what it is

i would imagine it is like a 3D maze

where the paths lead to different layers

and thats why the tiles overlap when represented in 2D

i think 2 walls is too much

its going to be 1 wall per tile

[ashen falcon]

a graph

[sudden mauve]

just to really make it feel that you can gamble

i would imagine there is no set graph

maybe the maze displays a number or something

combined with previous numbers or edgework

to determine the wall

[ashen falcon]

if the reward for gambling is that high people will just reroll and do it at the start unless you force something else

[sudden mauve]

hm

5% * 15

wait no

[ashen falcon]

no that's not how you do that

[sudden mauve]

95%^15

ooh

thats not a good ratio

i dont want it to be 2 tiles thouh

its possible that could make calculations less painful and require more movements

or decreate the max sides

i want to make the sides as small as possible while still incentivizing gambling

9-12 sides?

still too much chance

27% to just guess correctly every time

i could also just scrap the jank and make a graph maze

nah

and if i felt really lazy

to discourage people rerilling for rng

i could make it so that the module is only solvable once 33%+ modules are solved

like it "unlocks"

the goal is to make people suffer after all

[ashen falcon]

still it doesn't sound like good module design if the only goal is misery

[sudden mauve]

it is very not good design

[ashen falcon]

that's how BeanA ended up existing but I at least stuck to staying quirky and adding a few interesting things

also I ended up nerfing that thing multiple times

like several other hard mods of mine

[sudden mauve]

at the same time i could just invert it so that there is only one correct tile

but i think that would be boring

[ashen falcon]

just don't leave things up to probability imo

if you want to force people to struggle, aim for something that can't be automated or lucked through, which most of the time will force you into unique concept territory

[sudden mauve]

im basically going for gamblers fallacy

[ashen falcon]

The Risky Wires in question:

[sudden mauve]

risky wires i dont think

it doesnt punish you enough for losing in my opinion

i dont think anyone cares if they fail a gamble

and also risky wires it is intended for you to gamble

but for this idea, you could do some pain math

but yknow 90% is basically 100%

[ashen falcon]

or you could not gamble and do the actual rules

there are rules for 6

[sudden mauve]

how much do you want me to rephrase

in risky wires, gambling is more incentivized

[ashen falcon]

I mean, do you want people to be tempted to gamble or not?

people are even willing to take the 1/3 on Web Design

[sudden mauve]

i want people to be very tempted to gamble

but also to be very likely to get a strike if you gamble most of the time

it just wouldnt work when theres enough time to solve the module

maybe could make the module timed

[ashen falcon]

me included

[sudden mauve]

update on the idea

its been modified to be password destoryer + maze

or a better way to describe it