How can 1 person leak give 4000 enemy gold?

[red veldt]

wave 21 enemy team goes from 2159 to 6200 gold off my teammate leaking 243% with witches. i easily cover but game is lost. how is that fun or fair
im on top of pscore but now game is unwinnable. nothing i can do there how is that fair please have a civil conversation with me thank you

[sage pond]

The leaker deserved the inflated Gold. He took the Risk and put in the work

[placid trellis]

Thanks Bert!

[acoustic herald]

[agile night]

This is not related to Bert, since Bert did not increase the amount of net breaker gold. Missed the part where only Doofus' teammate leaked. Bert did affect this case. It makes sense that the breaker got more of the gold here, but the amount of gold was far too much.

Agreed there's a problem here, Doof. It's a combination of:

• Breaker gold is high in the late game to reward non-lethal leaks and encourage undercutting/discourage super long-saving
• Mercenaries give way too much gold. Froggos are one of the biggest offenders, and your game had a lot of Froggo leaks on wave 21

The above will all be addressed next patch with some significant changes. Patch notes dropping in a few days.

[placid trellis]

It has a lot to do with Bert that the game is lost afterwards. Because Bert funnels all the gold into the guy doofus is sending to ("Because he worked so hard to cause the leak 🤡 ). So now he cannot leak him. Without bert, Doofus can still leak his guy, his teammate might also be able to leak his guy or sui to leak him and give him something to play for.

It's the same feeling in the early game when your teammate plays fiesta, the enemy plays fiesta into you and you send into an overbuilder. You get 0 gold from the leaks of the fiesta player on the opposing team, making your game very hard. If your teammate is fiesta the guy you're sending to gets so much gold from the leaked creeps that it's almost impossible for you to stop his giga snowballing.

The networth diff on wave 21 has nothing to do with Bert. How much gold is gained/lost via leak gold is indifferent of distribution and may be a separate issue. But how the guy doofus is sending to gains 6k+gold and becomes giga unleakable with his mate getting 4k gold is also very bad for Doofus and has all to do with bert.

[placid trellis]

Oh yeah and the power merc bounty being swapped with the income bounty also is a significant contributor here. And why was that change made? Exactly, because of the negative impact Bert change had 🙂

[agile night]

You're right. I missed the part where it was only Doofus' teammate leaked. I thought both of them leaked about equally based on this, but the post-game viewer for wave 21 doesn't differentiate 21 from 22, etc.

Dove into the logs, and the breaker received a ton of gold. It makes sense that the breaker gained more gold, but they gained far too much. Will be significantly improved next patch.

[placid trellis]

Yeah, the Post 21-viewer not differentiating makes this "weird" haha.
Appreciate your response and willingness to reconsider what was going on here. We are all wrong sometimes/miss some pieces of information etc. (~~except superb individuals like me who have never made a single mistake in their lifes ~~) So thank you for reconsidering and doing something about it next patch 🙂

[red veldt]

Thank you both for the insight now that this will be adjusted i will easily hit top 10 by years end

[placid trellis]

[quiet prairie]

I dont think its too much, the higher lategame break gold is like the only good change thats happened recently. And undercuts that dont kill still feel like they lose to the long saves.