Can we get another poll about classic ranks? There is a lot changed with the arcade modes and gold rush. Maybe the majority changed their minds regarding the ranks and borders.
#classic poll - in-game feedback function
inner fox
inner fox
just a heads up
it prevents this kind of players being toxic while having a negative winrate
they start to believe they are actually good because of the highest rank. They start leaving games, ping spamming and flaming in game
again if the majority wants to keep the borders and ranks I'm fine with it too, but the problem described above stays as long as we keep classic a semi ranked mode
glossy breach
I mean... im pretty sure all the legend players are far better than 99% of the purples and below
inner fox
Nah, aviator is red badge in classic
glossy breach
I presume that is almost entirely due to him not playing the mode
inner fox
Around 180 games and he climbed to purple
glossy breach
I presume this is a super strong player but it seems very easy to get to "legend" in classic if you want with basic understanding of the game
pliant raft
I know some GM ranked players that are not very good in classic. It's a different meta.
inner fox
Yeah but thats not my point. Evryone can hit legend in classic if you play enough and yes you get a bit better by playing
Legend badge doesnt tell to much in classic anyway
glossy breach
it tells you they know what they are doing
inner fox
And your ranked border of last season doesnt make sence at all
pliant raft
Yeah but thats not my point. Evryone can hit legend in classic if you play enoug...
I don't think that's true though
pliant raft
And you have some players with thousand classic games who still never went past master in classic.
glossy breach
yeah I dont think it is a quantity argument, there are differences
glossy breach
that doesnt tell you much of a story if all those games are against better players
inner fox
Can copy like 100+ of them if you like?
glossy breach
stats are easy to manipulate for your own ends, that 44% win rate means nothing
it isnt about how many, its about the average level of player they play against
pliant raft
Can copy like 100+ of them if you like?
But you'd still ignore the other cases that never reach legend
inner fox
it isnt about how many, its about the average level of player they play against
Yeah and I see legend players do 2 worker bunk start
glossy breach
Yeah and I see legend players do 2 worker bunk start
it's classic not ranked though
you cant punish 2 worker bunk
pliant raft
Overall, I agree that classic rank is more about having friends to play in a party than skill. And I agree that classic rank should be removed too. But saying that anyone can reach legend is just wrong.
glossy breach
if you remove ranks though you have no measurement of progress
at the end of the day a lot of people want something to compare themselves against however flawed it might be
pliant raft
there is a leaderboard for wins in classic IIRC
so you have something to compare if you really need it
glossy breach
the issue with wins is it entirely based upon number of games essentially no?
a stat youll never be able to compete with starting years late
pliant raft
And tbh, you don't really need to have something to compare against others for everything. In most games with a casual queue, you have nothing to compare like that.
glossy breach
I just dont think most people see classic as completely casual though
pliant raft
I don't think you have anything like that if you play normal games in LoL for example
inner fox
I just dont think most people see classic as completely casual though
Thats the point of the poll
glossy breach
Thats the point of the poll
yeah I think a poll is good, havent actually addressed your initial query
comments were regarding the posts made after
inner fox
Classic is ment to be a casual mode, but the borders/ranks make it a semi ranked mode imo. Which leads to toxic behavior towards newer players because "they don't listen to their calls"
regal kernel
Theres no real way to force players to be nice
inner fox
Thats also true
glossy breach
the issue you might face still is that regardless of the semi rated nature people still want to win so they will get angry when a game they are in is potentially lost from wave 1
I dont think making it casual will solve that
pliant raft
How would you deal with bonus income if you remove the ranks? Does it still apply?
inner fox
its just hidden like before
I just think that a leaderboard and ranks in classic isn't the way to run a casual mode. I'm only asked for a poll and hopefully most of the players agree and it gets visable removed. Something like new, normal and experienced player based on the amount of games is better
new players can hit legend by accident (and yes I saw them with like 100 games played in total) and experienced players can't hit legend because of team dif
yet the new player doesn't know shit about the game, but the experienced player does
anyone can hit legend 🙂
glossy breach
that account screams smurf fwiw
pliant raft
and you can never hit legend with 4k games played, this just means nothing
jolly tinsel
Anyone can hit legend in classic, I believe that for sure. Would like borders and ranks hidden, personally. Make the casual mode casual, hopefully it can stop turning away new players with upcoming new modes
pliant raft
anyone can hit legend 🙂
inner fox
so someone who plays a lot with positive winrate has a negative elo
but someone with a negative wr is legend with less games
seems like legend badge indeed require skill
and tells a lot about the player
pliant raft
it's an ELO system, it depends on who you win against and who you lose against
if you consistently win against 5k players, but lose a lot against 6k players, you should reach 5k rating, even with a <50% winrate
Anyway, if the issue is the toxicity it can bring, you could also ask why is this toxicity unpunished? Wouldn't the problem be solved if the toxicity was punished?
inner fox
Anyway, if the issue is the toxicity it can bring, you could also ask why is thi...
1: toxicty isn't unpunished ask peini he like muted till 2050 😛
2: its about less toxicity
glossy breach
I dont think the difference will be tangible just by removing that imo
people will still be toxic, arguments can be made for them being more or less
as now people might react even worse to the idea of not auto sending till 21
pliant raft
1: toxicty isn't unpunished ask peini he like muted till 2050 😛
2: its about l...
A chat 'mute' isn't enough then.
Maybe a temp ban would be better. Because I remember him being toxic even with the chat mute...
naive raven
Okay, there's a lot going on in this thread but I can add a couple things.
Hiding ranks won't reduce the amount of toxicity at all.
The type of player that's going to be toxic and yell at teammates doesn't care what rank the person they are yelling at is.
If they do mention the rank, it's because it's a 'low hanging fruit'.
Personally, if I see that someone is of a low rank and then does something weird in game. I'll offer advice to them as I know they aren't as skilled/knowledgeable.
If I see someone of a high rank doing something weird, I just ignore it as there's no helping it xD
So, my vote in a poll would actually be to keep ranks visible. No reason to not have a poll in-game though.
TL:DR
It's a competitive game.
Hiding ranks won't reduce toxicity.
There's no reason to not have a poll in-game for many different things.
Also, it's "classic" mode, not 'casual' mode. Big difference.
warm badge
I know some GM ranked players that are not very good in classic. It's a differen...
Classic is just a whole different game