Shouldn't give gold after 21. players are learning how to abuse it now. The sweet spot still has to be found, but it getting a bit to much abused.
#problem with banker - classic suggestion
neat ice
marsh cloud
I'm looking at Bigwig in the Codex and the stats are interesting. FIltering by impact damage type, only Zeus and Millenium are ahead of it on range. For offense / 100g, it's on par with Canopie or Avenger. Defense / 100 it royally sucks but it's ranged so that's almost entirely moot.
It's decent value for the stats / gold. You could definitely do worse with 2.8k value than buying 10 of these.
And then those 10 wigs, fully charged, will pay themselves off in 6 waves or less. 3 of which are guaranteed easy since everyone saves 3+ waves at the end of the game.
sinful marlin
Codex undercounts for zeus and DD
marsh cloud
I was wondering, because it also says Gates are S+ tier for damage
idk. I think overall the unit is going through Flavor Of The Month which means it's a lot more prevalent because it's new and shiny. The thread in balance discussion I made has me convinced it's probably okay? As a unit in general.
Whether it should continue to gain gold for surviving waves where you don't get income, I'm not sure. Eggs placed on 21 will hatch full for 23. Anglers + their upgrade will gain mana to turn into full Kingpins eventually. So we have interactions already that are kind of "hidden knowledge easter eggs."
But, those interactions aren't as clear as "I just produced an extra 180 gold"
sinful marlin
Codex numbers are more accurate than before atleast
white wadi
Personally I think a unit that's only alright after 18+ is fine as is
If you're holding onto banker and having a mostly dead unit slot for the first 17 waves to have an advantage for some gold at 18+ then I think that sounds viable to me
I could see balancing the unit to have a smaller mana gain per wave especially later on as unupgraded big wig, and a smaller % mana pool compared to big wig, kind of like how angler can only gain up to 60 mana before bounty hunter's 120
I think a potential issues is how you can just spam a bunch of bankers and they'll gain so much mana as a whole before you upgrade them into big wigs
neat chasm
I don't use it much im fine it getting that nerf no gold after 21+ 
It is an unique unit that you can play with your teammate and go to 21-8+
daring pecan
There will be no use for it if no gold gain after 21
marsh cloud
See, that's why I looked at the stats, because that was also my opinion. That it was a "dead unit" except if you tried to meme it, or if you had the game go beyond wave 17.
But stats wise, that's not the case. It looks decent on paper. Not the BEST impact dps but certainly not a slouch, offensively
I'm still not sold on it being a good unit overall, but that's more because I've seen it being used A.) way too much because it's flavor-of-the-month, and B.) way too inappropriately (meme builds)
neat chasm
yep you still need to risk and not leaking 19-20 at same time against player that know how to play
normally they 1-2 punch you 19-22 make 
not that strong acttualy
left shard
Imo, move the unit to classic only, and then balance it there. Its not good in ranked.
neat chasm
never gona be
its just the way ranked nature is stave and stuff
classic it work same with 
green heart
Bankers should just be removed from the game again. They are killing the fun in classic and change the game into a negative version of itself before this implementation:
-there is always at least one guy pushing almost only bankers in classic games, having thousands of overbuilt value
- this shit is almost unleakable without saving much, which is not the point of classic - at least in chill mode
- those guys usually have 50 workers in the endgame and do not save with the team, and therefore not leak their guy
- having no workers also give the team members 0 gold due to leaking throughout the whole game
- all those games go to wave 23+, while all banker player tend to hold
This is worse than fiesta players or pixie spammers... it changes the game for all other players in a way no other unit or strategy ever could. And this change is not good at all.
Those games are usually hard starving games, which are just not fun in classic.
So: Remove this unit again - problems solved. This will never get properly balanced for ranked and classic and will therefore continue to destroy classic if left unchanged...
And overall, it is not even fun to play this strategy yourself. How is placing the same unit over and over again fun?
neat ice
not sure if technical possible, but a change in gold reward in classic will be in place
in classic you have less pressure therefore bankers are way stronger, lets say bankers give 45 gold in ranked at max stacks. And 35 gold in Classic
Note: I don't think that banker is broken yet, but its something to put on the radar. You still have players (including me) who start two bankers which can be optimal. Rn I think pushing workers to 15/16 and placing your first set of bankers. And building more on 17 is the way to get most value
green heart
But in reality, you have one guy pushing 90% bankers from the start in each classic game... and one is enough to kill the fun for all other players (at least in the same lane).
No other unit would allow this kind of gameplay without loosing hard in the endgame. This is not the case for the banker, so this can clearly be considered "broken" imo.
neat ice
there is also not another unit that gives you a gold reward, thus before the patch you couldn't play like this 😉
green heart
Thats why reverting could be a good idea.^^
neat ice
I agree that it can do some rework, maybe #game-balance-archived is a better place for that
neat ice
Thats why reverting could be a good idea.^^
Well one of the problem is that 95% of the classic playersbase doesn't have an idea what they do
that doesn't make a tower broken
green heart
Yes, it does imo. All other units would punish this kind of stupid behavior by making the players loose at some point - forcing them to change their behavior (to learn). But this is not the case for the banker, as holding wave 25 feels good (while not leaking any wave actually lost the team the game).
neat ice
I also helt wave 25 before the banker 😛
green heart
That is not the point.^^