1w3ts help

[crimson moon]

@raven quest
I have been plateud for a long time, with the occasional pb out of luck but no real feeling of progression, everytime it seems like I'm progressing I haven't been able to replicate the same performance and my average score floats up and down staying roughly the same. I have tried changing technique in my flicks with some success but other than that no real improvements have occurred.

140 hours in kovaaks, training daily whenever I have the time to in sessions of 30-120 minutes (varies)

the biggest change ive done since beginning aim training was investing in a new & faster mousepad, lightweight mice (60g from 130g my whole life) and changing my grip to conform to the smaller mouse. I feel like I've adapted to most of these changes pretty well except the grip, a lot of the time my grip feels unstable causing me to under / overcorrect micros and I lack a stable feeling on the mouse

[raven quest]

Can you reupload the video?

Its not working for me

Ok nvm @crimson moon

Ok basically you are playing static all wrong

Watch MattyOW's static flcik technique video and come back with a new vod and any questions

[slate thorn]

it literally looks like you're forcing yourself to do the bardoz method literally and you're taking so much time to switch from flick to micro, no fluidity at all

[raven quest]

It’s not even bardpill

It just flinging the mouse around

[slate thorn]

isn't it one rly fast flick then one slow micro?

or do you mean that the flick is way too fast

so it's basically just flinging the mouse around

[raven quest]

I mean that’s a gross oversimplification of it

You can do the principles of it and do them totally wrong

But the flick is not in control

And the micro adjustment is very jagged

Seems like an unnatural movement

[slate thorn]

oh

[slate thorn]

I think it's because side33 is forcing themselves to do this instead of just doing something more natural

"I must do one very fast flick and then slowly micro to the target"

[raven quest]

Yeah but approaching it like that is wrong

It is meant to be one fluid motion

Just that the motion is gonna be slower at the tail end

But you dont want to think about and “and” in the thought process of the movement

[crimson moon]

pretty much yeah

[crimson moon]

I mean im following all the advice ive been given?

[slate thorn]

yeah

[slate thorn]

watch this video

by lew

and mattyow fluidity

too

[raven quest]

The advice you’ve been given is not in depth enough. The video covers what you need to know

[raven quest]

No

Bad

[slate thorn]

that's bad advice?

[crimson moon]

so I shouldnt be flicking then microing?

[raven quest]

Fluidity is an extension of a strong base of bardpill

Can’t be fluid without good bardpill

[raven quest]

That is putting it so simply

[slate thorn]

oh so that's something they should learn after getting good with bardpill

[raven quest]

There is more to it than just those two things

[crimson moon]

the other method ive heard is to flick, release tension on the intial flick then micro with low tension essentially letting the mouse glide to the target which ive had more success with then bard's method but both i still suck it

[raven quest]

That’s just bardpill with good tension management

[slate thorn]

https://youtu.be/Vu4jh8PGxSU

what do you think about this vid?

[crimson moon]

can u see where the confusion comes from tho like I have no idea how to play static because everyone has a different opinion on it and I feel like ive wasted all my hours because I dont know how to train lmao

I watched mattys video on static

ive watched all the videos

everyone has linked me and looked them up on my own

ive tried playing slow, ive tried fast

[raven quest]

The guy isn’t even high gm static or even nova. Personally unless checked by someone else, don’t pay mind to it

It’s not even shade

[crimson moon]

when I play slow my accuracy is to high so people tell me go faster, but when I go faster my tension becomes to high to micro and my technique falls apart

[raven quest]

All my static knowledge comes from a celestial static player

[slate thorn]

oh

[crimson moon]

ive even listened to probably 10-15 hours of podcasts trying to understand the correct technique from many of the voltaic members alike and still am clearly doing something wrong

[raven quest]

There is no different opinion on it

It is 1 thing you do as a base

Everyone does it

Anything else don’t listen to

You’re not good enough to do it

[crimson moon]

ok so where do I start then

can u point me in that direction

[raven quest]

Watch the static fundamentals video by Matty

And watch vods from Bulldog

Observe what he does

Slow down the vod

And see how seamless his technique is

[crimson moon]

ill rewatch it and try to apply it and get back to you and let you know the results?

ill post a vod as well

[raven quest]

You gotta think a lot when learning new static stuff

Which then you can make autonomous

And that’s where you start to get good scores

[crimson moon]

I get ya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOsBjfOGMuU this is the video in reference correct?

[raven quest]

No

There is another one

It’s a few years old

[crimson moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8sTfUr2u9s

[raven quest]

Yes that one

Ignore the fluidity fundamentals

For now

[crimson moon]

alr

ty

[crimson moon]

@raven quest im confused man, hes just repeating what everyone else is saying. flick to the target, micro adjust, 2 motions. I understand that, I'm doing that and still not getting anywhere. my vod looks like im not doing that because i just suck at it hence why its innaccurate and messy.

I can upload a vod of me going slower to prove to you these are the motions im doing

I can even try to setup a handcam if that will help lol

[raven quest]

It’s not two motions

That’s where you are wrong

[crimson moon]

thats what hes literally saying in the video

7:34 timestamp

[raven quest]

It’s a continuous motion, you just use different muscle groups for the motions at times

At the highest levels of static, it looks like they don’t even micro

[crimson moon]

i am using different muscle groups. Im using my arm for the flick, then my wrist and fingertips for the micro

[raven quest]

Because they have so much control over their flicks and seamlessly transition into the micro

[raven quest]

You have no control over the initial flick though

And your tension is out to whack

So your micros are hard to perform

[crimson moon]

honestly I dont think its my tension I think its my mouse grip

in the vod I gave to u i had bad tension management

I have since worked on it

[raven quest]

It is your tension

[crimson moon]

and my tension is okay now

my grip makes it really hard to microadjust

[raven quest]

are you playing a full palm grip?

[crimson moon]

no

[raven quest]

it's not though

[crimson moon]

relaxed claw

[raven quest]

then you can use your fingers

[crimson moon]

but my whole life I have aimed on palm

this mouse doesnt really let me do that tho

[raven quest]

and you have enough room in your grip to use your fingers

only time you dont is on full palm

you dont need your fingers to make huge movements

just small adjustments

[crimson moon]

but i dont understand because I relax my tension then the mouse has no tension on it which makes my movements floaty and inaccurate, to much tension and they're jittery and I can't seem to do just the right amount

at my current tension level whilst playing im barely even holding my mouse

its just in my hands almost

I can try to upload handcam

if that will help

[raven quest]

Because you need to maintain tension in the mouse and in your arm

You don’t release all tension

Or else you have no control in the stopping power of the mouse

You release the excess tension that you used to complete the initial flick

[crimson moon]

yes ik its like a balance, release tension for the flick then reapply tension for the micro to be accurate but I cant seem to apply the right amount of tension for the micro I guess

[raven quest]

I’m being nitpicky here

But you don’t release tension

You release excess tension

[crimson moon]

I use my thumb and pinkie finger for stopping power by applying tension to the mouse

mhm okay

be nitpicky and specific tho thats what im looking for because all the advice I get is so vague I cant seem to apply it realistically

[raven quest]

I mean I can also say all of this

[crimson moon]

"just flick and microcorrect" doesnt help me

[raven quest]

And you still won’t do it right

Because it takes a shit ton of time to get good at static

I have too many hours in it and I’m decent at best

[crimson moon]

I have noticed that considering I have progression on tracking categories but static still just doesnt ever move

[raven quest]

That’s because the way you’re playing you’ll never improve

Basically

Also you can have bad tracking form

And still get better scores

[crimson moon]

i can upload a rawcontrol vod if u want to see

maybe can spot some imperfections

[raven quest]

I’m bad at tracking

Good at static

Let’s focus on the task at hand

But if you’re under nova you are doing something wrong on tracking

As a baseline

[crimson moon]

wouldnt by that reasoning mean that 99% of people here including your self have incorrect technique

[raven quest]

Yes

You don’t have great technique until Astra

[crimson moon]

fair enough

[raven quest]

But anyways

[strong wave]

I'm curious and I'd like to know too, in what way should he play to improve?

[raven quest]

Focus on replicating the technique of someone with a good static base, say someone at a nova level

Make your initial flick fast but controller

And seamlessly transition into the micro but take your time with it

Finally take the time to confirm your shot, adjust again if you’re not on target

[raven quest]

What is said above

But it’s also just playing more

You don’t get good without playing

[strong wave]

Do you figure Ben's video about blending the micro into the flick would help to make the landing softer / micro easier?

[raven quest]

That’s what I said

But you still gotta make sure to release excess tension

Or blending the movement won’t lead to a softer landing

[crimson moon]

i appreciate the advice but honestly im now just more demotivated to continue then when I initially started considering to the best of my attempts and knowledge I am trying to replicate good technique yet am clearly failing to, even though in my head I am and can't see any other realistic way (to my brain at least) to do so.

and according to you I'll never progress until I master this technique which apparently Im still not even doing so I'm not really sure how to progress from here or whether I should even waste more effort on it altogether since it seems kinda pointless at this point.

[strong wave]

Just curious, have you seen Ben's video about Flick Control Fundamentals? It's relatively new:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YX_jf1vnLo
In a few parts of it, he shows how to blend the wrist / fingers with the arm flick itself in a pretty intuitive way

[crimson moon]

ill watch it now

havent seen it

yes I have seen this video although ill give it a rewatch

[raven quest]

Just take it slow

Take it one step at a time

[strong wave]

Cause to me, by doing that type of action, you can then do the micro after the flick in a smoother way, less downtime after the flick, and it requires overall less tension cause you spread the tension / load between the arm and the wrist/fingers more

[raven quest]

You don’t gotta flick so fast

When you can’t control

So have a fast but controlled flick

Have the ability to have control over your movements

[crimson moon]

by definition flicking is an explosive movement of the muscles tho no? thats what seperates it from just moving the mouse from target to target, how can you slow down what is a fast muscle movement and not cross into just moving the mouse from target to target which is no longer flicking?

Maybe I'm over complicating it im not sure

[raven quest]

You can flick slower

But still get from point a to point b

[crimson moon]

interesting concept

[raven quest]

And I don’t mean by dragging your mouse

[raven quest]

I think I know what you’re talking about and it’s not good yet for you or anyone at your level

[crimson moon]

never thought about sharing the tension, usually when I flick the tension is held in my arm for the initial motion, I release the tension after the muscle movement then hold tension in mainly my wrist and fingers for the microcorrection

[raven quest]

The idea to slow down the end of your initial to allow for easier micro adjustments is really good

But requires a lot more than you think

Ignore it for now

Just bardpill

Nothing else

[strong wave]

You can do an initial flick with basically less force (less overall starting tension), so that it doesn't require as much tension to stop it. It would still have an acceleration > deceleration curve, which is still different than just dragging the crosshair to the target at a constant speed

[raven quest]

Ok I gotta go to bed

[crimson moon]

hmm true

[raven quest]

But just try and get like 1% better with your static

[crimson moon]

@raven quest appreciate it a ton

means a lot

[raven quest]

And null don’t say anything too stupid

[crimson moon]

gn brother

[strong wave]

lol

[raven quest]

It’s easy to confuse people with static

[strong wave]

I'll try man

[raven quest]

And if you do it makes things hard

In a way

[strong wave]

I just don't want him to get too disheartened and quit

[raven quest]

Because people think too hard

And that is where problems arise

A logical amount of thinking is needed

But at the end of the day you flick from point a to point b good

That’s static

s-cream

https://tenor.com/view/sky-pad-gif-24994546

[crimson moon]

I mean im going to keep going I won't quit its just motivation to continue is low that is all which means going through the motions of my routine is more of a discipline than a want / desire and the enjoyment of it is removed a bit that's all

[raven quest]

I’ve been through hell getting gm

[crimson moon]

w

[raven quest]

Now I’m calm

Going for nova

It’ll be easy

I have no concerns

[strong wave]

Like btw, I'm pretty sure most if not all of us go through this same ordeal with static, static is really difficult for like everyone, it takes long to learn, but it has benefits even though it's difficult to learn

[crimson moon]

im curious now that you say that, in regards to pure aiming ability / mouse control, what category do you think has the most reward for time put in to skill acquired. for me so far its been tracking and doing smoothness since I feel like its just made my aim a lot more calmer over all in game

[raven quest]

Raw smoothness

Then control tracking

If you’re good at those two things

[crimson moon]

yeah i figured

[raven quest]

Astra is easy

This season

Because clicking is learnable and static will just be left at nova

And speedts too

[crimson moon]

my friend is gm ts and gm seems to follow him in every category but he still sucks at static

that being said he has great raw aim

[raven quest]

GM is cool

But then you realize you’re like the best of the worst

Nova is way cooler

And better

[crimson moon]

yeah i heard the ranks got a lot harder as well over the years. my other mate who was gm 4 years ago now is platinum

I dont know if thats how the ranks have shifted or hes just lost most of that skill due to not training but its interesting

[raven quest]

The seasons have gotten harder

And if you don’t play for a while you lose stuff

Especially at GM

Because you might not even be good

Just good on the bench scenarios

[crimson moon]

interesting

well wont keep you longer

gn bro