#Fellas, how do I improve in this? I'm hard stuck in iron on this scenario for a couple of days now

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stuck gust
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I can't improve on it

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bruh, it is impossible to reach bronze

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proven blade
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I told you before to keep acc above 90%

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And you overflick too much

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Same mistakes

stuck gust
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wait what

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WUH

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how do I fix it 😭😭😭

proven blade
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Pokeball and confirming

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Never spam clicks

silk vine
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@stuck gust you are in school right?

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Like classes and stuff yeah?

stuck gust
silk vine
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been to school right?

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like 6th grade and stuff?

stuck gust
stuck gust
silk vine
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ok so you know how you go to school and teachers will like

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make you write stuff down

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and then also repeat what you got told to write down

stuck gust
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we were told to memorize everything word by word lol

silk vine
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sure; that's called 'rote' memorization

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but why do we use memorization for teaching?

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in general, please.

stuck gust
silk vine
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not knowing is fine, i'll help you understand

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people have three kinds of memory

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long term, short term, and a 'working' memory

stuck gust
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I haven't thought about it like that, I've always found memorizing everything word for word kinda dumb, like it stops creativity and stuff

silk vine
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one of the strategies we use to help keep stuff in our long and short term memory is called repetition

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for the sake of humoring me, please type this in your self as a message without just copy pasting

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  • one click attempt per target
  • don't use tension to stop flicks
  • flick all the way to the target
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doesn't have to be formatted the same way

stuck gust
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  • One click attempt per target
  • Dont use tension to stop flicks
  • flick all the way to the target

but the thing is, the bad habits that I have created, is that I always rush micro-flicking/adjusting, and I always try to "micro-flick" which ends up not being accurate and on the side of the target,

As for tension to stop flicks, I have started to reduce tension, but I still can't get the idea of letting go of tension "mid-flick" as viscose described, where you flick, let go of the tension so you have much more smoother landing and can micro-adjust more accurately and efficiently,

As for flicking all the way to the target, I feel like I'm looking at the target wrong, the process goes like this, I look at the target I want to click - I main flick it (initial large forearm flick) - land near the target but most of the time its not a straight line for some reason - micro-adjust - confirm I'm on target - click - use peripheral vision to gauge next target and flick, but I think I'm looking at this wrong, either I need to use peripheral vision in a different sequence or something else, if I use peripheral vision, its always a guess work and filled with blindspots, this is why I always miss the initial flick I think? but if I focus on the next target after killing the 1st target, as I main flick, my vision gets blurred and I have to process a lot more for what just happened after I land the initial flick, so I need more time on micro-adjustment, either that or I take more time after killing a target

silk vine
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holy paragraph

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ok but

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so what?

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you're improving.

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what bothers me is this

stuck gust
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nono hear me out

silk vine
silk vine
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how are you getting to a second novice vod review thread

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and you're not retaining basic form guidelines?

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let me ask a leading question for you here.

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do you want to have to rely on others to understand correct form for doing tasks?

stuck gust
# silk vine .

yes, this is because if I keep a moderate pace, of clicking slowly for each sequence, I get around 930 ish scores, if I try to go faster, my accuracy drops as I miss a lot more often due to rushing, but I get some scores back

stuck gust
stuck gust
proven blade
silk vine
silk vine
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What IS good form for this scenario?

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how are you getting to your second vod review without making sure you get and retain this information?

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rhetorical question no need to respond.

stuck gust
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its similar to 1W4TS voltaic scenario, so using bardoz method, but it doesn't work?

stuck gust
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I just posted more videos of my gameplay to show the mistakes and stuff

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I can post another one if you'd like

silk vine
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I would start with these guidelines:

  • One click attempt per target
  • Try to only perform two actions, an initial flick and a micro correction. Both should resemble straight lines.
  • For very closely grouped targets, prioritize going smooth over going fast.
  • Don't spam click or double back missed targets; shoot once and move on.
silk vine
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my point is

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you're gonna post another vod review some day

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so you should keep everything you learned from this one

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for the next one

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so you're not just getting the same feedback.

proven blade
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@silk vine am i do anything wrong? If i did im sorry i didn't have that bad intention I just wanting to help

stuck gust
# silk vine you're gonna post another vod review some day

ohh I think you misunderstood something, the first vod review thread was named 1W4TS, which I had gotten bronze in shortly after, excited that I got bronze, I changed the name of the thread to WW5T, but then I could not get up the wall that WW5T brought before me, and for days, so I decided to make a separate thread for this scenario so I can get some more specific advice on it

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as the thread got old, I didn't get people who would give me advice on this specific scenario, and it was mainly a 1w4ts scenario thread anyway

silk vine
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Milk mentioned they already told you about the 90+ accuracy

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Do you remember that conversation?

stuck gust
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in that exact scenario that I played for accuracy in 1w4ts, I got bronze

silk vine
stuck gust
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this is WW5T

silk vine
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Hmm

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I should clarify

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These scenarios are all under the subcategory ‘static clicking’

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ALL static clicking scenarios follow these rules.

stuck gust
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rules?

silk vine
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Rules, guidelines, etc

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Proper form that leads to good scores

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These guidelines were created because people tried very hard to score highly and would run into things that prevented that

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1w4ts and ww5t bot have dots that you click, that don’t move, right?

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That’s what the static part means.

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This is clearly marked on the bench sheet for convenience

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The only thing that ever changes for static is how many of them there are, how big they get, and how far they spawn apart

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All the same besides that.

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There might be slight strategy changes based on scenario

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But the basic form guidelines work for all scenarios of this subtype

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These ones:

  • one click attempt per dot.
  • Use initial flicks and micro corrections to close gaps and line up shots. Both should resemble straight lines and path directly to targets.
  • initial flicks should increase in speed proportional to the distance traveled.
  • briefly confirm shots as you get close/land on the target. Don’t flick to the next target until you’ve confirmed your shot.
  • flick immediately after clicking.
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Now, I’m gonna give you feedback for your VOD.

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You double back on misses and multi click targets constantly

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This breaks guideline 1; use one click attempt per bot

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Submitting vods that break these rules essentially make your recording pointless because these are easily fixable with nothing other than a small amount of discipline

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So practice until you’ve fixed this habit, then post a new VOD

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I would encourage you to write down with either paper or a phone notes app whatever you need to remember these basic guidelines so if you practice on your own you can fix problems without feeling like you need someone to tell you every time you do it

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The guideline will never go away or change when it comes to clicking hygiene

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So you might as well implement it and write it down so you can just fix it yourself if you see you doing it again

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At this point, you shouldn’t be able to say ‘well I don’t know what I’m doing’

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Because I’ve given you clear guidelines to get started on good form

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Mistakes you make after you’ve fixed these prevented form problems are called useful errors and are what actually make you better.

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Playing scenarios without fixing guideline issues will have you spend hours of your life wasting time on technique that isn’t good and won’t scale

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Or cause hand health problems.

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This conversation shouldn’t make you feel bad or discouraged but I want you to realize for yourself that if you want to improve your mouse control you have to take ownership over your own improvement

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That means being able to remember and understand the basics for good form on scenarios

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And submitting vods that have you performing the scenario, with good form, to your current level of skill

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If you don’t, that’s ok, people will just continually tell you to fix basic form errors with your technique and getting better will be a slow and wasteful process lol

proven blade
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At first i thought i was doing anything wrong language barrier almost messing me up lol

silk vine
proven blade
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Thanks for your help

silk vine
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Trying to teach a lesson on being more respectful about the info people give so it doesn’t have to be given twice

proven blade
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Yeah he's still young have alot to learn

silk vine
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You already have over a thousand messages and 300 pictures of scenarios posted in this discord

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So you clearly like to put hours in and practice

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Now it’s time to spend a tiny fraction of that time taking notes over form guidelines and using memorization to remember good technique

runic musk
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@stuck gust i like to open notes on my computer when i ask for help and write things down or i reopen my old thread and read through it before i try to get better at the thing i asked for help with

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its what i did to improve in static

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i read through coach bens tips multiple times and played the suggested things multiple times exactly how he told me and it worked

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just reread everything he tells you and try to understand it fully before you retry the scenario youre trying to improve on thats what worked for me

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you dont have to listen to what i say just telling you exactly what i learnt from coach ben. i had the exact same issue, stuck in static

bold bane
stuck gust
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I'll try to be conscious of what you wrote in those bulletins while I practice idk what exactly

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do I practice 1w6ts with that??

stuck gust
silk vine
stuck gust
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I feel like peripheral vision is not reliable or accurate, I learnt this while learning to drive, realizing that using your peripheral on your side mirrors is NOT the way

silk vine
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Um

stuck gust
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but actually taking slight glimpse

silk vine
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I don’t know how to tell you this

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But that’s exactly what you’re doing

stuck gust
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what?

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what am I doing?

silk vine
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Using your peripheral vision as a reference to help flick accurately

stuck gust
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yes but its not always accurate, and when I flick, it just feels like blurr, until I actually land and prepare for micro-adjusting

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like I unfocus my eyes

silk vine
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That’s because you suck and are new

stuck gust
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to see the whole screen for targets

silk vine
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It gets better

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lol

stuck gust
silk vine
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You also can look away from the target right before you shoot

stuck gust
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alr I'm gonna do what you said rn,

silk vine
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Wouldn’t be much need for all these resources and help if you could just do it perfectly without practice

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Not sure what you were expecting on that one

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Novice 1w4ts for example

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The dots are pretty big

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And close together

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So you aren’t really needing much peripheral

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It’s designed like that on purpose

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To be accessible for new players

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Also for perspective

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This still makes you better

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For example

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‘I am bad at it, but it’s possible to use your peripheral vision to flick accurately’

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Is more self aware than ‘peripheral vision is useless and doesn’t help’

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Just understanding the different parts of the task you can get better at there’s more important than being completely ignorant

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You can’t get good at something you’re ignorant of

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When you’re new, all you should be doing is trying to understand how each scenario works so you can start your journey of becoming better at those tasks

stuck gust
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BROOO, Im getting close now hold up

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wait lemme cook

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alr nvrm, I fell off

silk vine
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89% accuracy

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Restart runs with 5 misses or more

stuck gust
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how we doing fellas

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(Idk why but I missed soo much)

silk vine
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You’re still multi clicking targets.

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One click attempt per bot

stuck gust
silk vine
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And?

stuck gust
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it became a habit for me

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idk why, I just flinch

silk vine
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U gonna hold yourself accountable

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?

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Ur not in control of the trigger???

stuck gust
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I...

silk vine
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Skill issue

stuck gust
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I

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bruh

silk vine
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Stop cutting corners and submit a run within the form guidelines

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If doing that is a challenge, then weeding out those issues is also part of improvement and worthy of your time.

stuck gust
silk vine
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Yes

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What good runs should follow

stuck gust
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I think I have these issues of miss clicking every time, I know why, its coz I try to hit a "lucky shot" every single time, I remember this because I don't trust myself and my aim, so in games, I always try to hit "lucky shots" and risky ones, hoping to get it or don't, that's how it has always been, and for years, only now I'm starting to see things

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this is also why I go back to the target every time I miss, because its a built in habit of mine that the "lucky shot" didn't work out, so I need to try my luck more

silk vine
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Luck is a skill chum

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Finish a run with 80 good clicks

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Stop sending me a run with 119 bad ones

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“When I was new I would make up for my lack of technique by spamming” u rn

stuck gust
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and thus you will see me clicking next to the target from left to right instead of actually hitting it in the center, this is coz I try to lead the shot with the luck, hoping to hit the target, but this isn't in game but a practice scenario, so it shows clearly

silk vine
stuck gust
silk vine
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Actually putting effort and inspection into every shot?

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What do u think separates us from the rest of the gamers?

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No magic

stuck gust
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maybe I should do a run like that

silk vine
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This is a space for confronting and killing your noob demons

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Gotta uninstall the bad habits first

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Go slow.

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Submit a run where you add a short pause before you click the dots

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No misses

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No double backs

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No multi clicks

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100% accuracy

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Still flicking just adding a pause

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Don’t flick to the next dot until you’re 100% sure your line up is confirmed

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Shoot and flick are one motion

stuck gust
silk vine
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There’s actually 3 parts to flicks

stuck gust
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😭 🙏

silk vine
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Not two

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The initial

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The micro

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And the confirm

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Two things happen during the confirm

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  1. You feel good your shot is placed well
  2. You tense for the next flick and start focusing on your next flick
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When you click the dot, you immediately execute the plan you just thought of during the confirmation

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So really it’s 4 steps

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Initial,
Micro
Confirm/prepare next
click/initial

stuck gust
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alr hold up, lemme try that right now

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wait wtf, something is working

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SOMETHING IS WORKING

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I got 100% accuracy

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wtf is working bruh 😭😭🙏

silk vine
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Thank Christ

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Ok so if you want to pace faster

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Just reduce and then remove the confirmation pause

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If you ever don’t feel good about a a flick or a micro, correction, just take longer on your confirm

stuck gust
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OHH MY GAWD

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98% acc

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Im hitting my shots right!

silk vine
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Ya u are actually clicking on purpose

stuck gust
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what Im doing is when I confirm crosshair on target, I immediately switch my focus from current target to the next target, and then initial flick

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and I think it got rid of the peripheral vision issue, because now I can actually see the target I'm flicking to

silk vine
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When your skill improves, you can start confirming kind of early just based on how you watch your flick get close to the Target

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That’s why it’s so important to have a soft landing that isn’t shaking

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And let you start the confirmation process early since you can immediately see whether you’re flick sucked or not and whether you need to give an extra time or if you can just keep going

stuck gust
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I can get 90%+ accuracy, but if I increase my temp/speed even by a tiny bit, I start to make mistakes

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and accuracy drops

silk vine
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great

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you've started to generate what are called useful errors

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practice for half an hour, drink some water, and sleep 8 hours tonight

stuck gust
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4 misses

stuck gust
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drinking some cold water so my brain gets thermal shock and stays aware

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don't mind the upside down ketchup bottle, it's almost done anyway

wet ingot
silk vine
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arm sleeve

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less friction

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obviously

scenic crescent
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the ketchup is mental support

silk vine
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Bro said he was gonna go grind and never came back

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He definitely didn’t pb because we would know

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Grinder

runic musk
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ohh hes locked in bruh

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plastic bag arm sleeve

silk vine
runic musk
scenic crescent
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😭

runic musk
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computer will go in a lake

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ASAP

silk vine
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plat

runic musk
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hey im almost diamond now 😕

silk vine
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My fault goat

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high plat

runic musk
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yeah ur fault

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how ab i make fun of your reply when i gap u

silk vine
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Look forward to it YEP

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See you next year

runic musk
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@stuck gust hows it going🤔

scenic crescent
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plastic bag made arm lose circulation had to amputate

runic musk
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does that actually help

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or was that a troll

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maybe hes onto something

scenic crescent
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I’ve actually seen people talk about it

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Not sure tho I mean I would just spent a little on an actual arm sleeve 😭

silk vine
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Just buy a long sleeve shirt one size too large

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Or wear a hoodie

scenic crescent
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Fair

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Either way I heard that arm sleeves don’t go with artisan zero soft we’ll

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Well

silk vine
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Sure don’t

stuck gust
# wet ingot could u break down the tech of this setup?

plastic bag from groceries store equipped with my mom's sock, playing on a 29x25 mousepad, on the dinner table with hard plastic chair elevated by my sleeping pillow, playing on my integrated graphics card laptop with 8gb ram that turns into a jet engine as soon as I open 2-3 windows

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cutting edge technology right there

stuck gust
stuck gust
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Imma play some valorant and see how my static clicking is

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its gonna be shite

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I know it

runic musk
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gl dude

stuck gust
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alr bruh, Im washed

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runic musk
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thunder carried wtf

stuck gust
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bro I thought if I gave it a couple of days of rest I would get it 😭😭😭

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OMG WAIT WAIT WAIT

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LEMME COOOOOOK

proven blade
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Washed alreadysad

stuck gust
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bro I'm soo washed

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LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSS FOOOOOOOOOOOKIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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fellas I did it, I almost got to bronze in this shit, are y'all proud of me 😭😭😭

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I knew letting it marinate for a few days of not playing kovaaks, and then coming back, I just hit insane scores

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idk why this happens lol

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this feels a lot like training muscle, where you get soreness, and then rest a couple of days and come back much stronger

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which is pretty nice

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but I still need a little bit more

proven blade
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This is good sign, keep practice

stuck gust
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bro, idk how Im gonna get 1090 score

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it seems soo far

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Im at like 1070

proven blade
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How is that far it just 2 balls away

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Stay consistent and you'll have a jump eventually

stuck gust
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OHHH MY GODDDDDDD FEEEELLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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proven blade
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That's it

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2 more balls for gold

stuck gust
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bro I can't believe it

stuck gust
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got me through 2 frikkin scenarios now man

proven blade
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I am jose mourinho

stuck gust
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now I just have 2 more scenarios to complete

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and I will be bronze complete!!!!

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ohh my god, MY DREAM

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its coming true

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alr bruh, Im washed

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should I create a separate thread for this frogtagon or change the title of this one?

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OHH MY GAWD

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never mind fellas

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HOLY FKIN SHIT

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ahhh just one more now

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goddamn, snake track is soo difficult with my small mosuepad

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FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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ohh my gawd

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I did it

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IM BRONZE COMPLETE BOIZZZZZ LETS FRIKKKIN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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I'm shedding manly tears right now

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ahh I have come such a long way

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there's no hope for me on silver though

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f that

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I'm already dying, trying to hit bronze

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ahhh I feel so happyy

stuck gust
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but nah, I probably can't get better than this tbh

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I've tried like absolute hardest

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gave everything on it

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yk

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to hit bronze

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I think I'm doing better after removing the mousepad and just using pure dinner table

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there are bumps and stuff coz there are some dirt underneath and crevices

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I think I'm gonna be on the hunt for a flatter thing

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that I can put below the throw away stiching cloth

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maybe cardboard box?

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I need to think

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cardboard boxes also have those creases

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maybe folders, but you don't get those in large areas

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I need to make a DIY mousepad bruh

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I think I can do it

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I need to think

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lemme cook

proven blade
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Do you some budget? Around like 30$

stuck gust
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and idk any place near me where I can buy a larger pad, nor do I know if they would be good

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maybe I'll look for em when I go to a store

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idk

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also I don't really have the budget for that high

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$30 is like 112 saudi riyal

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ohh HELL NAW

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I don't have that much bruh 😭😭

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I only saved up a little

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over the years

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I feel like this mousepad is very limiting, I'm gonna look for some cardboards man

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smoother ones

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if its too high, I will have carpal tunnel issues as it will rub against my tendons

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I noticed this when I used a large folder

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I need something that can cover the part of the dinner table I'm on

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or atleast cover upto my forearm

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I'm eyeing a cardboard box right now but if I try to do something with it, my mom will look at me weird, so I gotta be sneaky with this shit

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shhhhhh

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keep it quiet fellas

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btw, I think I figured out the issue with that WW5T and frogtagon, I realized that I wasn't actually confirming clicks

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like actually taking the time to know I'm on target

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and I was just blurring the vision, by going fast and trying to hit blurred lucky fast flicks

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which does not work always, very unreliable

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by focusing on getting the crosshair on target first, I finally got the rhythm

proven blade
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This is why decelerare comes to help

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Less blur = easier to see

stuck gust
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it's like opening and closing your car window

stuck gust
stuck gust
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the mousepad is huuge

scenic crescent
stuck gust
woven gyro
# stuck gust

You are very slow at confirming the target and this is caused by two things. One: poor flick conscious. If you underflick all the time the micro part becomes consistent. You should always be able to micro from the same spot from an underflick. Two: Rigid micros. The smoother your micros are the easier it'll be to read your crosshair go over the target. The snappier the micro the more guess work is involved. You can train this in literally any clicking scenario.

stuck gust
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check this latest vid that I made like a couple of hours ago

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I suck at pasu man, trying to get it upto silver but I just can't even hit my old best

woven gyro
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Wait you want help on pasu too?

stuck gust
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so every bit of advice helps tremendously

woven gyro
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Ok. All dynamic clicking has some level of bot reading. This should be the main thing to focus on in your runs. For the technique always lead your shots. Pasu bots are literally on a strict timer as to when they strafe (somewhere between 0.8-1.6 seconds).

For you personally though you've got to flick faster. The ideal flick should always be ahead of where the target is going. So after every mistake you can tell yourself where you should had flicked.

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The micros are fine, smooth. It's the flicks that are holding you back