Vorkot's casual training sesh

[gray grotto]

@lapis merlin as requested:

[oak elk]

slowly becoming goated this is good stuff

[gray grotto]

2 more scores for complete 😬

[tepid ridge]

Idk when u reached plat, but congrats ^^

🎉 🎉

[dry zealot]

👍

[gray grotto]

Lets hope the static arc wont be too painful.

[rain hare]

It will be

🤩

[gray grotto]

Around last week ish :p ^ @tepid ridge

[gray grotto]

I am in Spain without the 'S'

[upbeat scarab]

I didn't find static that bad until jade

so hopefully ur chilling

[gray grotto]

I gotta start yet, but we will see soon lmao

Got some good pointers from a previous discussion that i can focus on now so kinda eager to re-work on my technique

[gray grotto]

@oak elk 65cm goat sens indeed

God getting into the habit of doing that deceleration is tough

Oh wait imma start to feel it now a bit

[rain hare]

scroll down a tiny bit

I'm right there lol

[oak elk]

keep it up it’ll come with time

it’s a process :p

[gray grotto]

Yup yup 👍

Hmmmm what sens to stick to, 50cm or 65cm 🤔

I am definitely sticking to the regular click-tasks compared to pokeball for now though.

[rain hare]

I need to vod my practice to make sure I am actually doing the right things lol

like I think that I'm decelerating, but maybe I am just playing slow

[upbeat scarab]

watch ur vod, then watch a vod of a top player on same sen

you legit will just absorb like a sponge

[compact sluice]

Getting static jade

😀

Getting static master

🙂

Getting static GM

[ruby tangle]

You wouldn't happen to have a new link to this doc would you? Huge congrats on the progress you're going crazy 🙏

[gray grotto]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c3XoGMK8hMIuctiQ0p62M5rRZWPE7kxYKU19tjS_Ugg/edit?usp=sharing

Saiiryn made a copy 🙂

[ruby tangle]

Tysm into the vault it goes keep up the grind 🫡

For the record what I've been doing is I have a private server that Im keeping a copy of my progress in, and I made a channel where if there's something specific I want to be able to call back to I screenshot it, and copy the message link so I can both know what it was and jump back to it at any time. It's a little more clunky than being able to pin obviously but it's a good respite

[gray grotto]

Quick reference button V2 ^

[harsh scroll]

🔥

[gray grotto]

yeet

[toxic solar]

Seesh slow down bro
If you pass me so quickly I will get demotivated 😂😂

[gray grotto]

I have been taking a break for a few days so you can go right ahead and improve your scores 🤓 🤓

[toxic solar]

I'm grinding out 23cm
I'm going to get some hs hopefully when I go back to 55 for static 😎

Atleast that's what I'm wishing

[toxic solar]

It's nice to see you get back at aim training tho

[gray grotto]

Very on-and-off though, but yeah, trying to squeeze in some of training when I am in the mood for it.

Soon I will start with my static arc.... gonna be fun.

[past slate]

😔

It’s not

[gray grotto]

Do the benchmarks for me on my account and I pretend it is my scores 😄

[past slate]

🗣️ yur avg is gonna be lowered

[oak elk]

ill do static for ya

:p

[gray grotto]

I better be GM by the end of this month 😤

[oak elk]

my tracking sucks

within a month i can get u astra static tho without a doubt

[gray grotto]

Bet

@toxic solar we had a very helpful convo though a few days ago ^ (reply) maybe you can find something in there that helps you too

[past slate]

@oak elk wait have u gotten higher than gm in s4 static :0

Or s2 Al

[oak elk]

na i haven't played them at all

[past slate]

Push and get astra complete static 😔

[oak elk]

all i did was one run on 1w3 without resetting

1350

pretty bad ngl

[past slate]

😭 stop

I don’t have gm in that yet

[oak elk]

it was a first try but eh

i probably won't push benches for some time

i wanna max my technique

[past slate]

Ah
U should beat viets score on wide wall 3 targets TE

[oak elk]

maybe

i wasnt far from wr on 1w2t TE from what i remember

we will see :p

[wicked fulcrum]

I've hit a big plateau over the last couple weeks and idk what to do

My static scores just aren't improving and same for my tracking

[gray grotto]

Take a short break and come back with a fresh mindset and then just keep going

Change to a new playlist if necessary

[tepid ridge]

Or ask someone to vod review if u are doing bad habits/training wrongly

[gray grotto]

My first day on the static grind. There are obviously still the glaring issues we talked about that will take time to work on, but my form here looks already much better than it did before right? I felt a little bit more smoother/in control.

I horribly butchered the last 10-15 senconds though

Forgot to tag you @dense tinsel

Blessed by the Shimmy gods

This run in particular felt already so much better/smoother ocmpared to the previous one 🔥

Arguably going a bit too smooth now occasionally but that will come with time

It is slowly but surely starting to click and I love it! 🤩

Best start by far 🔥

[tepid ridge]

The technique is nice, this is just an experiment, but could u try pushing for faster speed by taking slightly less time on target than needed?

[gray grotto]

I am trying that but I often end up just double-firing/miss firing so I am just taking my own pace a little bit for now before I start rushing it again

[tepid ridge]

Alright, cuz it felt like u were able to push.
What I meant is keep the flick and micro adjustment speed, but lower how long ut staying on top of target by clicking

[gray grotto]

Yeah gotchu 🙂

[tepid ridge]

Yeah, this is it. I haven't seen this one till now, but that is a big difference between the one earlier where ur taking long time to click after ur accurate

[gray grotto]

Yeah I just sent to Shimi that my biggest hurdle so far was my mindset about my flickspeed.

With my former "snappy" speed I somehow always felt like that anything less than that was not acceptable, but I was wrong.

I am now much smoother, and maybe arguably too smooth in some instances, but the difference is really night and day and it feels sooooooo much better and controllable.

[tepid ridge]

I think between the most common mindsets , ex : GREED-EU for incentivizing snappy and most aimers for floating your aim. We should "tense" the flick. Similarly to volleyball, u want "tense" sets but not too stiff or too relaxed. So basically in between

[gray grotto]

@tepid ridge I think this is my best attempt so far at trying what you ask from me? But I do notice I need to be careful with it

[glad comet]

You just rush yourself too much that you start rushing micro/confirm

[tepid ridge]

Now work on the technique side, every flick should be controlled and in a "straight" line because there is 2 types of overflicks ur doing, 1 which is the normal (perfectly normal to do) and the other is not controlled overflick, u overflick not in the direction and do a curve to adjust. That's my view at least.
And probably take more time adjusting, from what I said, time less on target ≠ flick faster. My mindset would be "confirm kill faster" rather than "take less time on top of bots"

[gray grotto]

Yeah that's why I mentioned I rather stick to my own pacing for now cause I do notice my 1w5t vod I just posted is much sloppier compared to the rest because of it.

For a first-day, the improvement has been great so far 🙂

[tepid ridge]

Tru, but most importantly try what "suits you*" best cuz I aint an aim coach and I attempt to provide info and tell the source

*People have different views and people improve differently

[gray grotto]

Yup I am just going my own way right now but I do appreciate what you say none the less.

Just comes down to working on what I have now and perfecting it

[tepid ridge]

If ur stuck/hit a plateu, change something unless you know it's correct (for those advanced aimers)
(The advice that improved my static)

[gray grotto]

I am aware 😉

[gray grotto]

Never would I have guessed that "slow and steady" is actually better to work on my static compared to explosiveness....

[oak elk]

W

[gray grotto]

Yeah man shits slowly falling together and it's great

[glad comet]

That's essentially what bardpill is

You don't know if you're doing static right until you surpass Jade/Master

[gray grotto]

Yeah.... lol. I was just too focused on keeping the initial flick "snappy" that everything else under that felt like it was wrong.

But now I know I was wrong 😂

[oak elk]

I don’t bardpill

I just try to stay conscious with what I’m doing and the movements I make

and have generally alright accuracy

[glad comet]

Neither do I, just flick as fast as you can handle and build up the technique, avoiding unnecessary motions and hovering

[rain hare]

I need to unbind reset

[glad comet]

Just focus up/slow down after you missed once

[rain hare]

bc I constantly reset good ass paces if I miss like 2 in a row lol

yeh

Imma unbind it so I can actually finish runs

[gray grotto]

Forgot to screenshot the previous run

[oak elk]

what rank are u overall on those

[gray grotto]

Another one

@oak elk Sorry forgot to add the level 3 variant too:

[oak elk]

nicee making gains

[gray grotto]

Little eureka moment today 🔥

Maybe too smooth than some of y'all prefer to see, but its so far the speed that I am the most consistent at, and it surpasses my "flicky/snappy" old-technique by a mile in many ways in terms of overall speed, consistency and such. So just gotta keep this up and slowly build it up.

[oak elk]

yeah you really don't have to flick that fast

just consistent

[gray grotto]

Noted

NGL was kinda feeling euphoric today.

If I was doing this with my old-approach I would've rather died.

[oak elk]

yeahh

at least you're having fun that's good

[gray grotto]

For sure 😁

[compact sluice]

holy gains

[oak elk]

when u gonna hop on sir

[compact sluice]

😭

scared

[oak elk]

play some of the dm stuff to warm up

then u pb

ez

[gray grotto]

God damn with my second run I just felt my arm speeding up all by itself

We aint stopping

[gray grotto]

That is enough madness for today... Arm needs rest

[signal edge]

love the static arc

[gray grotto]

Given I am having a discussion with someone about it, I am also posting it here:

I am now training static today again and I noticed how much more baseline has moved compared to my former "snappy" technique:

Red = a week or a few days ago with my old "snappy" technique.

Yellow = yesterday and today with me being being less harsh/much smoother and working on proper technique.

My baseline has skyrocketed and I also I tend to be much m ore consistent with those scores if I am warmed up.

Terrible comparison, but just as a good reminder for myself:

The first 3 scores (yellow zone) were done with proper/smoother technique. Good pacing, decent accuracy.

The last score (red zone) was me doing it again with my old "snappy" technique. Accuracy was good but it totally destroyed my pacing: slow micros, tense and shaky landings, and also made me overflick much more.

Further cementing that I am doing the right thing 👍

And now we go up again with proper technique

[oak elk]

just remember slumps are normal

you wont be perfect every time :)

[gray grotto]

No I know, but this was just a visual representation of my comparing my former flick style vs my newer flick style

I am just out-loud documenting that my current approach = good and my old approach = terrible and that I shouldn't be tempted to visit it back.

[oak elk]

fair enough

[gray grotto]

Thanks for the reminder though 🙂 Like Shimmy you are an angel on my shoulder

[oak elk]

❤️

[gray grotto]

And boom

To prove it again:

Red = old technique

Yellow = new approach.

(I need to stop doing this now cause my brain can do comparisons endlessly without getting tired....)

Damn static is actually fun

Who would've thunk

[dry zealot]

This improvement 💯 🦶

[gray grotto]

Shit's amazing bro. It "clicked" for me yesterday

I believe I hit like 17 PBs last night

[dry zealot]

Lol sounds good

Here’s to more enjoyment and improving 🥂

[gray grotto]

Hell yeah brother

[dry zealot]

It doesnt stop 🛑

[gray grotto]

NO IT DOESNT

[dry zealot]

Heck yea brotha 😎

[oak elk]

static W

[oak elk]

top 100 🔥

[gray grotto]

Level 3 to level 1 buff is real

[oak elk]

yeah fs

[rain hare]

bro is evolving fr

[oak elk]

I’ll defo return to these soon

push some scores

[gray grotto]

Not a PB run but just a visual progression-VOD.

There are still moments where I push it a lil too hard but yeah that still comes down to practise

Really happy with how much better it already looks

[oak elk]

yeah I can still see some instability but it’s definitely much better than before

[gray grotto]

Yeah. Just the second day so still more improvement to be made but I am glad with how far it has come already

I expected it to be much slower

[oak elk]

W

dm benches are the shit

thats why i advertised them to everyone

[gray grotto]

Yeah man I am so happy you send them over

They are fun

[oak elk]

yeah

[ruby tangle]

god damn ur COOKING 🙏 massive progress

[gray grotto]

getting there 🔥

[muted sun]

i absolutely love the theme and colors, could you share them? good job on your progress!

[oak elk]

pretty sure that’s “gray all the way”

or something very similar

[muted sun]

Oh is there a way to copy it to aimlabs

like codewise?

[gray grotto]

I am using the "Clover-static" theme.

Got it from here: #1196131037172990002 message

[ruby tangle]

what hit noise is that by the way it hits my brain just write and the default ding is starting to grind on me

[muted sun]

Thanks

[gray grotto]

Here: #1196131037172990002 message

[gray grotto]

Oah I used this for Kovaaks. Not sure if you can apply it the same way to Aimlabs

[oak elk]

sec

@muted sun here are some aimlab themes

[gray grotto]

The goat got you ^

[oak elk]

should be fairly close

static wise

if you want others lmk

[muted sun]

oh man your so nice

for doing this

thx

[oak elk]

gotchu

[past slate]

Wow the form has improved so much since the last time I checked 😳
Small bit of overflicking happened but definitely in the right direction

[gray grotto]

Its getting there 👍 👌

[gray grotto]

I still have that tendency to occasionally push it a little too hard so I need to be careful with that, but so far it has been steady sailing and that is just for 2 days of practise

[past slate]

Yknow what did to learn it really fast? 💀
I would basically be playing with my mouse on the mousepad pretending like it was an ice puck and flicking hard in the direction for the very beginning and letting it drag the rest of the way

Not related but I just remembered 😅

[glad comet]

tldr buy some glass

[gray grotto]

Yeah I get the analogy lol. It's a good one if you ask me (at least I understand what you trying to say).

It is just that I need to keep reminding myself sometimes that I shouldn't push my flick speed too hard given I cannot control said speed yet, but I am already slowly speeding up

[ruby tangle]

weirdly ty for this its helping me visualize how to push speed a lot better

[past slate]

Lol np 😅

[gray grotto]

Yoinking this from Anima's thread:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wk82oO5wSNhaY-6LZncODfHhwdGJDqrldFYqsr-g8Zc/edit#gid=0

[oak elk]

lol I got a million more where that came from

you'll never run out of scenarios 😭

[gray grotto]

Man's a library 😅

[oak elk]

fr bro

[gray grotto]

Which one is your favourite of the static-ones you listed in the other thread?

[oak elk]

prolly DM but i liked setsunai as well

the horizontal reflex scen was hard but fun

horizontal stuff is my favorite, whether that be clicking or tracking

[gray grotto]

I see it is also pretty categorized. Very nice

[gray grotto]

I've gotta ask now lol: do you have some for switching and dynamic clicking too?

Already got TSK for tracking now

[oak elk]

LOL gimme a sec

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nTPhEmNRql6kjDXASk-MCFScOlqZkG1RcgHho50Sdf0/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qIfjnm0N2ETL79r1QhkxKP0nvzx2YlM5EWkVgOtDZ2I/

speedts stuff

[past slate]

I should’ve made that “dynamic coaching bench” I’ve been planning on making
Would have less pasu slander 😔

[oak elk]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uVnB-R3nr6ddRkyj-m1-Mo1iMoAjUylPK3jUnLASkQ8/edit#gid=956015131

pretty sure this is more reactive/strafe

@past slate youve played these

how they like

[past slate]

I love the first scenario
The rest o have not played much but they seem good for training in-game aim

[oak elk]

yeah 😭 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13nW16W1vULtzH25MK4C8ifTyjQT-o3RGm-IllCwkDXM/

we need to make some dA stuff i swear

[past slate]

I never got that 20k u asked me to get 😿

[oak elk]

like some actually goated benches

cuz we got bits and pieces of a ton of stuff but never really got to putting it together

cuz i quit ur pc broke and everything else xd

[gray grotto]

apppreciate you a lot

[past slate]

I’ll make pasu and patstrafe benches to teach people 😼

From my phone

[oak elk]

(zcn ones aren't exactly the most practical)

BUT

i got a bounce one too

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-v9ZwcRlfr6na_14UqR25ENQXCk2yDdEFENw6glKGv0/

MY GOAT @wispy kiln

[gray grotto]

thanks for the immediate ptsd

[past slate]

Didn’t bounce princess have a bench too
I wonder what happened to her

[oak elk]

LOL

she does

she's in zcn's server

that is basically dead

[past slate]

Zcn has a server…

[oak elk]

lol oopsies

[past slate]

Oh

[gray grotto]

how come ? lol

[oak elk]

they're a lot of spamming

and kind of random

i just dont really have much for dynamic lol

besides playlists

actually hold up ill link u a goated dynamic playlist

no sheet

[gray grotto]

Need that good shit

[oak elk]

KovaaKsClearingWeeklyBottomfrag

[gray grotto]

Noice, thank you again 😄

[oak elk]

ofc

[gray grotto]

Hope my platinum-ass aint getting my ass kicked

[oak elk]

they're fairly tough

[past slate]

I have playlist for dynamic :D
Pasu track lg56
CanTS
CanTS lg56
Vt pasu

[oak elk]

lets hope 🙏

[gray grotto]

God damn that is a long playlist

[past slate]

💀

[gray grotto]

29 tasks 😅

[oak elk]

its just 1x each

half an hour

[gray grotto]

Fair

[oak elk]

i will have to discuss with some other people to make a dynamic bench

a proper one

i think it would be a good idea

[gray grotto]

Hey I am all for one lol.

Just gathering some of the best stuff from y'all here

If it wasn't for TSK and the Deadman playlist I wouldn't be training right now

[oak elk]

it was a project I had been meaning to work on 3-4 months ago but never did

[gray grotto]

Reason to start:

• Do it for Vorkot or he quits aimtraining forever

[past slate]

WHAT

[gray grotto]

(not really but its just to trick you)

[past slate]

ENVI WE NEED TO GET BACK ON TRACK NOW 😭😭😭

(It’s working)

[gray grotto]

(good)

[oak elk]

lol

[glad comet]

Story of going from okay to spam-clicking for no reason to tilting from my stupidity to finally getting that fucking gm

Fitting that you literally just talked about dynamic

[gray grotto]

Aaay grats though!

(sorry for the headache)

[glad comet]

(wym)

That run is trash tho trust

I just caught the dynamic clicking vibe

[gray grotto]

Its at least over now... for now

[glad comet]

It's so far from over 😭

[glad comet]

@brittle jacinth first score beaten rq

[brittle jacinth]

nice one xD

[gray grotto]

@brittle jacinth Sup bro I am on my static arc

[glad comet]

did you play vt benches yet

looks like jadeish scores no?

even tho targets on those are bigger with your pacing it doesn't matter LOL

[gray grotto]

I did yesterday night. Nothing crazy however I have established a new minimum-baseline which is good news, still some score away from my PB though.

[glad comet]

uh oh

[gray grotto]

So the groundwork is set now and it only goes up from there

Cause at first it was way worse and inconsistent.

At first I PB'd on them and then dipped harshly, unable to get closer.

Now I am getting closer

[glad comet]

According to this graph you're about to hit some pbs

[gray grotto]

I see

[gray grotto]

Progression on the smaller variants too

[gray grotto]

(haven't been playing multiclick)

[oak elk]

wheres the pokeball

[gray grotto]

I yeeted them out for now

Pokeball isn't currently really helping me I feel. I will add them back later

[oak elk]

fair enough

[past slate]

Vorkot I think yur ready..
I’m gonna tell you the secret

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1147385893490008145/1204318185919094794/Aim_Lab_2024.02.05_-_22.46.43.04.DVR1-25mb.mp4?ex=65effb36&is=65dd8636&hm=af57ee3e614a8614c96a1d95f5815475dc3c6eded939a32e1a590ab1fe13db19&

Just listen

🗣️

[oak elk]

are u listening to asmr 😭

[past slate]

☠️☠️☠️

[gray grotto]

I was about to ask 💀

[past slate]

Keeps u calm 😉👍

[gray grotto]

beep beep beep beep beep beep beep

good run

[brittle jacinth]

eyy good shit, good luck

i remember that shit being rly boring compared to tracking LOL

[gray grotto]

@brittle jacinth Here is my 2 day progress.

1 week ago (when we had the convo about my technique): #1196131037172990002 message

Today:

Still rushing a bit often but getting there.

[brittle jacinth]

looking good technique though for sure

[ruby tangle]

This is cracking me up unironcially if it works to keep u calm power to you but something about like the asmr voice with the constant hit sounds just goes so crazy. It's like she's trying to calm u down next to a car alarm 😭

[gray grotto]

Yeah the stock-kovaaks hit sound also was driving me nuts so I am glad Shimmy posted that deeper sound

[brittle jacinth]

PINGG

!!!

[gray grotto]

PING PING (miss) PING (miss miss) PING

[brittle jacinth]

i used a rly low pitch one

[past slate]

BAHAHAH

[ruby tangle]

swapping hit sounds boosted my score because I could feel myself getting irritated when I went faster with static in the older ones

[gray grotto]

TFW you intentionally nerf yourself because of annoyance

[brazen sinew]

My god you're looking good

[gray grotto]

No u

[brazen sinew]

Based

Shits a buff apparently

[past slate]

Don tell anyone 🤫

[brazen sinew]

my pfp says it all

[past slate]

Lmao

[brazen sinew]

I have a question about static, whenever I play it I miss a target and then chase it and whenever I don't chase the target and move on it feels unnatural, what should I do to fix that and make it so that a miss doesn't stop my pace

"don't miss lol" (yes I know)

[gray grotto]

You simply need to tell yourself to you give each target 1 shot and regardless if you hit or miss you just move on.

Also don't wait for the kill confirmation. Flick -> correct -> click -> immediately move on to the next target. Don't want that extra 0.5 second to hear that hit confirmation sound (or lack thereof)

[toxic solar]

Seesh you are getting better faster

[gray grotto]

Groundwork is now set, now we need to spend the time 🙏

[toxic solar]

Imma get back on grinding too then
No more 23cm
I cant let you pass me so fast I'm 1000+ hours in 😂

[gray grotto]

😎

[toxic solar]

How is your benchmark sheet looking like right now?

[gray grotto]

Not sure what the last update was, but this is what it looks like atm:

I haven't really benched anymore since my last session around 2 weeks or so ago. I am now more focusing on static

[toxic solar]

Bro .... Why leave VT plaza at that 🥲

[gray grotto]

Can't get that shit done lol. I am trying

Soon though

[toxic solar]

I will start grinding static too again
Let's reach GM together 👍

[gray grotto]

👌

Gotta take a break though tonight and tomorrow. Will go again on friday

[past slate]

So happy your patstrafe is the highest energy score 🥹

Best scenario Fr

[tepid ridge]

[gray grotto]

Still dont know how I got diamond in Smoothbot lmao.

It just happened and suddenly I cannot get close anymore

[glad comet]

1. PB jump.
2. Get your lowest and average to the PB level.
3. Repeat.

[gray grotto]

I like this more:

1. PB jump
2. PB jump
3. PB jump

Congrats you're suddenly celestial

[glad comet]

Real but the truth is what's the point if you're not consistent on that level 😭

Me trying to find TSK tasks alternatives for aimlab and failing

[gray grotto]

They are reaaaalllyyy nice. Hope you can find them.

Luckily Kovaaks is cheap if necessary

[glad comet]

voltaci recommended scens be lik

I have angletrack and tons of centering I just need some vertical stuff

I swear some VDIM had one I'm checking playlists rn

VT Minisphere Vertical Advanced

This and one more jumping scen I could find via Aimlabs search

[glad comet]

This obviously having different difficulties

Pretty L but I guess tons of reps could compensate

[oak elk]

kvk on top

honestly aimbeast even more on top

[glad comet]

It's fine suave doesn't need vertical I can just grind centering for 4 years and get celestial in suave

Sounds like a plan

[tepid ridge]

Where can I find this hit sound?

[gray grotto]

Here: #1196131037172990002 message

[tepid ridge]

Fank u <3 ^^

[worn grail]

could uhhh I steal your theme there?

mainly the bot colours but overall theme would be dope :o

[gray grotto]

@worn grail This one right here ^

[worn grail]

uhh do you know how you got the dots so shiny? 0.o

[gray grotto]

Raise the "glow up" slider

[worn grail]

I tried doing that and it didn't change it hahaha, found a guide on Yt though thankyou! :)

[gray grotto]

Mood today:

[oak elk]

sucks its friday

[rain hare]

I am rejoicing that its friday

no work tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/hallelujah-dance-anen-preach-happy-gif-21263340

me rn

[worn grail]

0.0

[rain hare]

keep this same energy in 48 hours lil bro 😤

I'll remember this shit

[worn grail]

AHAHHAHAHAHJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FUCK YOU GOT ME

[gray grotto]

Man's in the future

[brazen sinew]

Me asf

[gray grotto]

True

[brazen sinew]

Bro is inside the next day

[gray grotto]

After 3 days, back on the grind again.

Stark reminder to myself again that forcing snappiness/my "old" technique (in red) really is not the way to go and that my smoother/calmer/controlled approach will always be on top (in green) ☝️.

Yet again: similar-ish accuracy, but worse pacing, more tension, slower micros with the old one.

(Not sure why I keep re-testing this. It's like my brain wants to see a before-and-after real bad)

Oh and new highscore BTW

Controlled and steady wins the race everybody 🔥

[oak elk]

W

[gray grotto]

Lets make a staircase

[gray grotto]

Finish my set.

I was expecting to be much worse after my 3-day break but I have managed to raise my averages across the board 👍

[oak elk]

W

how long has it been since you tried static on the vt benches

[gray grotto]

I think 5 or 6 days or so ago. Didn't make any monumental leaps but my averages were a bit higher and more consistent, so that is good 🙂

[oak elk]

nice

[gray grotto]

Been playing a lot of Level 1 now and some level 3 on the side after grinding level 1.

So I am now going 1 step down (level 2) and make that my main-priority for a bit.

[oak elk]

whats ur lvl 1 look like

[gray grotto]

Currently this:

+10 on 1w3t, +50 on 4ts and +30 on 5ts, compared to last time.

Haven't done any multiclicking lately yet. I will come back to that eventually.

[oak elk]

diamond :o nice

making good gains bro

[gray grotto]

Getting there, one day at a time 😁 thanks to y'all.

[ruby tangle]

Ur cooking keep it up

[brazen sinew]

Not me following in your footsteps focusing on my static grind now 🫡

Played a few dms on valorant right after static practice and I didn't miss a shot

Felt really nice, and helps me make sure I'm gonna grind it out

[gray grotto]

Call me a meat-sandwich cause I went ham in this one.

[upbeat scarab]

yoooo ur crazy

I need to get into these static benches I think

[gray grotto]

Done level 2 for today (not the multi click ones)

Felt a bit tired and sluggish but still nice how I could push some scenarios really hard

[gray grotto]

Yeah they are really fun IMO

Okay holy shit i almost broke my PB

bruhhhh

YIPPIEEEEEEE

YIPEEEEEEE V2

I AM SOOOO CLOSEEE TO DIAMOND

SDASDASDASFGASFSADASDADASDAS

@compact sluice Bro

no

[compact sluice]

nooooooooooooooooo

you are just like me fr

[gray grotto]

It joever

my focus is all burned up

perhaps.....

[gray grotto]

Nope not happening today

[glad comet]

Sleep + try tomorrow = jade

[gray grotto]

SYKEEEE MOTHERFUCKERRRR

@glad comet @upbeat scarab @compact sluice@oak elk gotteeeeeeeeeeeeeem

[compact sluice]

WWWWW

[glad comet]

Vorkot on his way to beat all of our static pbs

[compact sluice]

FR

GM soon

[gray grotto]

My fucking god this was a roller coaster.

I almost messed up this run too because I felt my heart pounding around the end of the run even though my timer was off and it was making me wobbly

[compact sluice]

real

well

ironically

i pbed when I didnt expect it

but I know that feeling

[gray grotto]

That was me just a bit ago while surpassing my old PB.

I was like "meh I am tired, probably won't be doing good anyway"

And suddenly 1 was 1 score off it 😂

[gray grotto]

Just casually this ^

I am so glad I didn't stop

[glad comet]

Send the 2 miners meme

But one actually got it

[gray grotto]

Exactly 😂

[glad comet]

AND THE RANK IS ACTUALLY DOAMOND6

HAHA

@gray grotto you still gonna grind static?

[compact sluice]

my recommendation

is never stop playing

for

a long period of time

😭

my tracking still suffering cuz of it

i stopped for like 2 months

and now im coming back

i am making quick gains

but

still

annoying

[gray grotto]

Of course. Not gonna stop here at my peak 😎

The fact that I far-surpasses my old PB on 1w5t and made that suddenly my new averages really gived me a good kick in the butt

[gray grotto]

@dry zealot @past slate @ruby tangle @rain hare Another diamond score in the bag ^

I want to tag everyone but I cannot before I get muted lmao

Gonna try pushing multiclick for a bit

[gray grotto]

ANOTHER DIAMOND IN THE POCKET

[past slate]

YOO 😆

That jump 👌

[dry zealot]

Nice man, its really coming together

[gray grotto]

Double static sundae today

Holy fuck my arm is dead

Gotta stop

[past slate]

What sens are u using?

[dry zealot]

I need to increase my arm stamina idk my tendons get tired absurdly fast

[gray grotto]

I used 50cm at first for everything (until 1090 twice). Then kept switching between 50-65cm to break my 1w5t to no avail, and eventually hit it with 55cm/360.

Multiclick with 50cm

[past slate]

W

[dry zealot]

Goated sens 50

I used 56

[gray grotto]

I am fuckign surprised how fast my static has been improving. Thought re-vamping it would take a shit ton of time

[gray grotto]

That's the good stuff.

That shit got me my 1w5t record right there 😂

[dry zealot]

🤌

Exquisite

[gray grotto]

Time to end the day with a Dragonball Z binge and some Last Epoch

[dry zealot]

🥂

[rain hare]

Huge gains man. keep it pushing 💪

[ruby tangle]

Sheeeeesy you're cooking

[compact sluice]

bro ~50 cm is goated

I think I got my GM on 57?

Or 53?

one of

[sage quest]

heck yeah dude. you're cruising. I'm seeing a lot of up and to the right

[dry zealot]

Heck yeeaa brother

📈

[brazen sinew]

You are cooking so hard let's go! You got this

[rain hare]

https://tenor.com/view/stirring-cooking-chef-gif-14816120

[gray grotto]

Did some level 4 1w(x)t today:

Now we chilling

1w6t remains my highest scoring run in all of them lmao

[void kestrel]

no cap

[gray grotto]

Note to self for future Deadmans Bench runs

After a conversation with Shimmy I have now decided to leave level 1 and level 2 of the benches alone and continue training on level 3 to avoid having a "speedclicking session" every single time I am training instead of also working on my precision.

** The benchmarks, as of:
(5-3-2024)**

[sage quest]

this seems like a good idea

[ruby tangle]

I should make one of these as a reminder ty for the. Reminder for a reminder lmfao

[gray grotto]

Dragonball Z grind too good.

[toxic solar]

What are this levels?

[gray grotto]

These: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CXpRFmKdAPqvzvsUXjMdMY9uRmesu-3bsNEu-Oismzg/edit#gid=1947681947

Very fun

[rain hare]

lmaooo

get to work tho

[toxic solar]

I miss kiss anime 😭

[compact sluice]

just go on aniwave

[past slate]

Or use aniyomi like me

It’s an app that uses repos

[brazen sinew]

What's the best repos?

[gray grotto]

Forgot to screenshot the last run but +10 yay

[rain hare]

https://tenor.com/view/repost-ddmf-penalty-flag-referee-gif-16152028

[gray grotto]

oop

[rain hare]

stop gapping me so hard man 😦

[gray grotto]

I REFUSE

[dry zealot]

Static is so fun

Until it isnt

[gray grotto]

Made 2 jumps forgot to screencap the last one

Almost got a perfect run. Had 2 misses at the end lol

[dry zealot]

That line is steep

[gray grotto]

I am making a rollercoaster.

First you had the up-hil. Now you have the decline

[dry zealot]

XDD

U had me loling and smiling thanks for that

[gray grotto]

Now worries bud 😁

[gray grotto]

Level 3 progression (7-3-2024) + added multiclicking

[past slate]

Idk but I mainly use allanime
Yomiroll is also good, it feels really polished almost like it’s it’s own app but it doesn’t have release date and my anime list rating in the bio like all anime

[gray grotto]

That's exactly what I am using right now

God I fucking forgot that the Goku vs Freeza fight were 20+ episodes....

[compact sluice]

hahaha

[gray grotto]

Another level 3 - playlist run done.

Felt a little off today although I am not tired or anything. Was somehow unable to physically push my speed so I started to dip everywhere.

Ah well, better luck next time

[glad comet]

Vorkot's villain arc starts here

[gray grotto]

Friendship ended with static.

[...] is my best friend now.

[gray grotto]

God the warm-ups for static are always the worst part of it

[gray grotto]

Another run done. Stabilized my averages a little bit more compared to yesterday. Nothing crazy

[ruby tangle]

what do you do to warmup?

[gray grotto]

I just play a few free-play sessions of a few 1wxt and the multiclick variants

But it feels so sluggish always to have to start flicking again after a day of not doing it lol

[past slate]

I feel like it makes u consistent tho
Always forgetting and then relearning the feeling

It’s my copium 😋

[gray grotto]

FEEDBACK FROM SHIMMY ON STATIC TECHNIQUE

The VODs I sent (recorded on 7-3-2024 during my last hard-PB push):

Problems

Although my technique is now much smoother and my accuracy in these runs were good, some of my original problems are returning:

• Overflicking.
• "Snappiness" is returning.
• Not smooth with my landings.

This has to do with me trying to push my speed too much again while I still need to work on my foundation. One thing that holds me back in speeding up properly is my raw smoothness. I overflick and snap because my smoothness cannot keep up with my speed.

Unfortunately it looks like you're slipping back into your older habits while trying to push speed

Lots of overflicking, the snappiness is returning and you're not being smooth on any of the landings.

It was most visible on the 1w6t version.

Even though the accuracy is still good, you're reverting back to your old technique partially whenever you try to push speed.

It's much smoother than before but we're trying to build all of the improvements on a perfect foundation. That perfect foundation is what keeps the improvement at a faster, steadier rate.

Because raw smoothness is the limiting factor to the speed at which you can do it with perfect technique.
the reason why you overflick and snap on underflicks is as a result of your smoothness not being able to keep up.

Future steps

I have 2 options to further work on my technique:

• I either stick to a more comfortable speed, and continue to work on my foundation: (underflick into decel and smooth landings) (I will be doing this)

• Or I stick to my current speed, and start working more on my raw smoothness too with the TSK benchmarks (VAI and horizontal smoothness).

In general it has been advised to work a bit more on smoothness with TSK for if i do want to speed up my pacing in the future.

• Further more I should give myself more time with my landings. The last 2 days has been a bit horrible with my micro corrections given I have been rushing them, sometimes missing easy shots and dropping my accuracy, causing me to reset often. I will be a bit intentionally slower and take my time more, even with higher accuracy

• I will try to focus more on keeping my accuracy above 93%-95%, maybe even higher for the time being.

So you have two options at the moment:
either you stay at the same, increased speed and grind the TSK benchmarks (most importantly the VAI and horizontal parts)
or you slow down and go to a comfortable speed.

Theres still a lot further you can push without speeding up.
You should grind the TSK benchmarks even if you stick to comfort
just to prepare yourself for when you inevitably do want to speed up.

Theres still a lot further you can push without speeding up.

You still have to improve in shot landings, chaining targets and maintaining a dynamic pace before i think speed can potentially be an issue
at that point you'll already be able to speed up naturally just from having such a good foundation.

If you're intentionally staying slow you should be able to 97%+
If you're playing normally at a comfortable pace, 92-97%

[gray grotto]

Very important notice about pushing my "pacing"

"Pushing my pacing", to my understanding, has always been about pushing my physical speed. This means that I would either force my flickspeed faster, and/or my deceleration/micro speed faster to "pick up the pace".

But apparently, there is more to pacing other than pushing raw speed.

It is not necessarily about pushing my physical speed, but it is about further optimizing and perfecting the speed that I already am playing on.

Shimmy sent me 1w5t VOD to compare to my own VOD. It's roughly the same speed. On first glance I couldn't tell the difference between both a lot than him just underflicking more and being smoother, but watching in on 0.5x and having some further explanations, made me realize that his flick-speed is consistent throughout the whole run, regardless if it's a closer target or a further away target.
While I try to "adapt" mine depending on the distance, meaning that i slow down with closer targets and try to flick harder with further away targets. This leads me to have inconsistencies in my run.

Rather than trying to be consistent, I am trying too hard to stay up-to-speed with the "metronome in my head", yet again looping back to consistency > raw speed.

Long story short, I am sacrificing control again purely to stick to a certain pace that I cannot keep up with. Instead of sticking to a "metronomic pacing" by varying my speed by distance (If controlled speed is 70%, closing the gap fast between wide targets is 90% and a bit less fast with closer targets is 50%, trying to kill everything in the same amount of time per target regardless of distance), sacrificing control here and there, I should stick to 1 constant speed I can always control (always 70%) and this naturally will make me more dynamic (closer targets will naturally be killed quicker, but further targets will naturally be done a bit slower).

Speed is constant. Distance is the deciding factor in kill time.

Original question:

It's because you're afraid of losing pace for further targets.

So you're sacrificing control for closer and further away targets just to keep up with the metronome in your head.

When you're supposed to be aiming smooth and calmly, it simply means that you shoot closer targets faster and shoot further targets slower as that's how it should normally be.

❗ That's why I said you should flick at a constant speed whether its a further or closer distance bot and in all directions
it forces a dynamic pacing and doesn't leave you in situations where you struggle on landings as you would be comfortable in each situation.

instead of seeing it as some part of the initial flick / landing / shot confirmation speed changing, assume that they all stay the same. its just simply a time = distance / speed, where the speed is constant and the distance is the deciding factor for the time between kills❗

At no point should you have to change your speed for your initial flick or decelerations as that introduces inconsistencies as you'll be changing to a speed that you're uncomfortable with.

Additional comment

It's because there are many more variables to consider than just raw speed

If you increase your flick speed, you have to increase deceleration and stopping power automatically. You can't just pick one or the two
otherwise your deceleration results in an overflick and you ruin the entire time gained with the faster flick.

Pacing in static (with 4+ targets) is mostly determined by how efficient your pathing and clearing of clusters is
while for 1-3 target scenarios it's based on flick speed
but you also can not improve deceleration without also improving your smoothness, and you can not improve your pathing and clearing of clusters if you are at a flick speed that doesn't allow you to smoothly go through multiple targets without micros.

So in summary, just by trying to increase your initial flick speed you've unintentionally given yourself a whole heap of issues that will cause many bad habits and cause you to plateau.

Realisation

Yes, which is why I've been sending clips of me with your flick speed while still getting +150-200

To show you that even though you've been steadily climbing and improving there's still a lot more that can be done
without even touching speed.

[gray grotto]

To summarize this whole wall of text

• My technique is better than before, but I am starting to push a speed that is bringing back my issues (overflicking, forced snappiness, unsmooth landings).

• My raw smoothness is partially the blame for it (my smoothness cannot keep up with the pushed speed), but not fully. It still comes down to my overall foundation needing to be worked on and now trying to overpush it too much in terms of physical speed. I will go back to a slightly slower pacing to work on my flick-foundation, and also will supplement with TSK benches (VAI + horizontal) to work on my raw smoothness for more efficiency. Smoothness helps in flicking much more than I originally anticipated.

• I will try to focus more on keeping my accuracy above 93%-97%.

• ❗ Very important note : "Pushing my pacing" does not necessarily mean pushing my physical speed (either flick speed or decel/micro speed). It is about further optimizing and perfecting the speed + technique I can comfortably control, given that a lot of speed and precision can still come from simply ironing out mistakes that I have on my current speed (example: Shimmy VOD that emulates my speed). ❗

• **(Addition) : ** So instead of slowing down my flickspeed for closer targets and speeding up my flickspeed for further targets to avoid losing pacing with a self-made metronome in my head, I just need to push a consistent, controllable flickspeed regardless of distance (so if 70% speed is baseline, 90% was long distance and 50% was clusters. I want to always stick to 70% speed no matter what), and just accept that my long-ranged kills will take a bit longer while the closer ones will be faster (AKA: dynamic, and not a static pacing). This way I am always in a comfortable pace and not losing out on smoothness due to me pushing a speed I cannot handle.

If it helps, imagine you're an aimbot that can only generate the same amount of speed for each flick. Nothing lower or higher.

[upbeat scarab]

something to add to this, I don't think adapting your speed is inherently bad, but you should do it in reverse to the way you described. small flicks can essentially be all micro and therefore often be much faster (especially if you develop your chaining)

but yh longer flicks you want to focus on stability, the time you invest into those wider flicks is more, so missing is actually wasting a ton of time

[gray grotto]

Yeah good point. I likely have been looking at it the wrong way in that regard.

Will see how I approach that

[upbeat scarab]

I think of it as binary, eithet a flick is a micro or its not so it not really a sliding scale

[brazen sinew]

You got this!

[gray grotto]

Some additional comments from Mini, in the following thread -#1212392896691445831 message:

Regulating Speed sometimes does not mean that we have to speed up, it might also be the opposite, finding a more consistent structure within our technique so we don't have as much deviation in our form which allows us to be more open to opportunities

Sometimes we have to stick to that consistent speed lets say 70% raw speed to just get the consistency but ultimately we would want to do it the way you do. I do that as well. regulate my pace, lower the speed levels to 60% to spend less time on corrections due to softer landings
and increase it to 80% while flicking on tasks like 1w2ts

** Its way easier to be consistent without modulating our pace, but ultimate goal is to KNOW how to modulate the pace so we will be able to use it when it's due. **We have to do 180/90 Degree Flick, We want to be OPEN to increasing our SPEED to high levels while having GOOD aim but before being able to modulate the pace we need to learn how to both aim at these high paces and how to aim without them
kind of like yknow learning the cluster technique & wide flick tech
so at the end we are not stick only with one approach
but we are able to utilize the other when its due

but i could approach each target with same approach. That wouldn't make sense tho as i want to regulate my pacing and increase it when i can/decrease when needed, but before i would min-max it like that i would focus on lets say making myself comfortable with flicking at wide distances with good speeds

ultimate goal is to be able to change the speed while maintaining a good aim yes,
but i wouldn't really do it that much at the beginning.
I would rather play tasks in which i can just be consistent with one structure at first
get hang of it
and then make it so i can lets say aim with 80% my speed and increase it to 90% when due

Sounds like a plan yes

In summary

• Regulating our speed is not always about speeding up, but rather have a consistent form to avoid deviations in it, as Shimmy mentioned before too.

• However, it eventually has to start being introduced, but it is not really advised to do so at the start. Eventually as things start to click, it can open windows of opportunity to know when to regulate our speed.

So yet again: I will be focusing on building a good foundation with a consistent speed, and coming back to speeding up in a much later stadium.

[gray grotto]

Feeling a bit sick and mentally meh... might take a small break from training for like a week or so.

[compact sluice]

damn

minigod replied in anarchys thread

[compact sluice]

happens man

come back stronger

👍

[gray grotto]

Will try. Lot of things on my mind rn.

[compact sluice]

same big man

same

[gray grotto]

Some smoothness to chill

[gray grotto]

Change in approach

After an experimental session with Shimmy last night i have decided with his help to slightly alter my approach.

We started experimenting again with pushing my speed, neglecting most of the earlier advise that I have been given while still trying my best to decelerate where possible versus having a smoother approach.

We tested the harsh flick + harsher stops and taking my time with my corrections/hit confirmations on level 3 DM targets and the more smoother approach with nearly-instant target confirmations on the level 1 DM targets.

Conclusion is basically that I have no issue necessarily with me being able to push speed on smaller targets, but that my landings simply are atrocious and this is mainly attributed by my smoothness not being able to keep up with the speed.

So I was presented with 2 options:

• Pushing speed, but mostly training on bigger targets (level 1 DM) until enough improvement is made to go to smaller ones.

• Or reverting back to a more smoother/safer speed, focusing more on smoothly landing on the targets, where I focus more on optimizing the slower pace, fixing errors and working my way up on a proper foundation rather than forcing the speed. Done on smaller targets (level 3 or higher DM).

I chose for option #2, given that option #1 is something I do not enjoy nor can physically can keep up with: lots of tension issues, a lot of inconsistencies making me reset a ton of runs. No consistency in sight. This basically loops back to the advice that has been given to me before I started playing static again.

Although both options are viable, I think I might learn some bad habits more often here and there compared to the other approach, although it will take a bit more physical constraint on my side to accept my scores will dip hard and I have to re-work some stuff.

For the next month(s)

I will either:

• Alternate between playing TSK benches + Level 4 DM, and TSK benches + Boss Level DM depending on the day (1-2x repetitions per task), and using level 3 as my new "benchmark" scenarios like I did with level 1 before.

• Or grind the TSK benchmarks for multiple weeks to focus purely on smoothness first before going back to static / the alternate approach as mentioned above (3-4x repetitions per task).

Given I find precise tracking quite relaxing, I will be doing the second approach here too.

Just posting a screenshot cause I cannot be arsed to quote-write everything again lmao.

[compact sluice]

I think some speed TS could help with your flick landings too

[gray grotto]

Might consider that in the future

[gray grotto]

Father I have sinned.

I inpulsively bought the SP-004 💀

[dense tinsel]

W

i want to get it when its on amazon / on sale

i dont even need it tho skypad 3 is perfect

[gray grotto]

I was just hearing the positives of it being less noisy, feeling even smoother and such and I was like "oh woops dropped my wallet"

[gray grotto]

If I gotta go do smoothness training I better go with an ultra smooth pad kek.

And just learn to keep my fingers higher on the mouse...

Given that I know now that pressing into the pad for stopping power isn't what you want to do anyway

[gray grotto]

@compact sluice You were on glass too right?

[compact sluice]

I am still on glass yeah

sp3

[gray grotto]

I impulse bought the SP004 so I will let you know somewhere next week 😂

[compact sluice]

Bet hahaha

[gray grotto]

I wonder how the speed on the pad will be given that some people say it is faster than their SP3 and some have a much more controlled version compared to their SP3

[dense tinsel]

SP4 speed relies way more on your skates/dots than sp3

which is why people reported different stuff

[gray grotto]

Aah okay. I bought the obsidion pros too given they are apparently much quieter and a bit controlled on that pad so gotta see how that will work out

Still have my ZA with jades on the desk to compare

[dense tinsel]

yeaaa

the new obsidians are really good on it too

which was surprising cos theyre bad on the 3.0

[gray grotto]

Really? Gonna be interesting to test then

I have the 3.0 still lingering around so should be interesting

[ruby tangle]

what have u been using for ur sp3?

[dense tinsel]

normal obsidians

best option

[ruby tangle]

the dots or the full skates? i've been trying to pick up the full skates but they're always out of stock 😭

[dense tinsel]

dots

theyre a lot better and cost effective

[gray grotto]

@ruby tangle @dense tinsel @compact sluice I bought myself a set of Edgerunner Cyclones. They are also hardened PTFE but are apparently much much quieter on glass in general, but there are not many comments to confirm this.

Once both the skates and SP-004 arrive I will let you know how they feel compared to jades and obsidion pros

(in case you are curious)

[compact sluice]

bet!!

[ruby tangle]

Id love to hear it yeah I've been using the stock for ages and I was surprised at just how loud they were on the sp3 lol

[compact sluice]

I've heard that the SP4 has a lot of control whilst also keeping the speed

would like to hear ab that

[gray grotto]

Apparently it is incredibly skate dependent, so gotta wait and see

[glad comet]

I love how the games where we just click balls take 14 and 7 gb of your disk

@gray grotto is it just TSK doc or is there smth else

[gray grotto]

just the doc

[glad comet]

I am a bit lost

[gray grotto]

Put the sharecode you find at the bottom of the sheet in the "online playlists" - tab's search box

After doing that, you can download it to your local playlists

[glad comet]

Do I default to new TSK extra thing

[gray grotto]

I would do so yeah

More scenarios and what not

[glad comet]

So do you just play all of these as routine

[gray grotto]

I personally dont. There are 24 scenarios so its a bit long....

Personally I will do VAI + horizontal mostly

[glad comet]

What's VAI

[gray grotto]

diagonal

[glad comet]

Alr I'll check it out when I get the time in between my AL VDIM grinding

Thanks

[gray grotto]

Goodluck! they are fun

[glad comet]

Did you just say centering is fun

[gray grotto]

I unironically like centering

[glad comet]

Yea I don't hate it either, but I see why it's boring for majority

[gray grotto]

I personally find it quite relaxing to play compared to the rest.

[dense tinsel]

i love centering

unless it's like hella thin or fast

[glad comet]

I love everything, don't care the task improving is nice

[glad comet]

Only 24 pfft. Advanced static/dynamic VDIMs have like 87-90 plays

And when you start reseting it gets even more fun!

[brazen sinew]

I started the tsk bench too, shit was so fun I just unlocked (got level 4) the actual bench

Hella fun

Today is the grind for the actual bench

[gray grotto]

If UPS doesn't deliver too early before I am back from work today then I might have the skypad today

[compact sluice]

🙏🙏

[gray grotto]

Edgerunner cyclone skates in the bag.

Skypad soon (within 2 hours)

[west python]

Getting a skypad in june. 🙏

[gray grotto]

Noice 👍 which one? 4.0 too?

[west python]

Yes sir!

Is there any EU resellers, zerthys is looking to get a skypad.

[gray grotto]

I think I will be posting about my impressions in here once it arrived here.

[west python]

Import taxes are insane in sweden.

[gray grotto]

I bought mine from them directly. I don't think there are at the moment.

It got flown over from Denmark

[west python]

They're an EU company?

[gray grotto]

I believe so

yup

[west python]

The mention of tension management and guides, is sad as 90% of my recent improvement is tension management. Just found out I had tense fingers resulting in my recently developed pain as I began to redevlop my bad habit.
I believe tension management should be more noticed.

[gray grotto]

Yeah it is quite an understated thing in my personal opinion

[dry zealot]

Usually when people say be smoother they mean manage ur tension better

Like in dynamic

[gray grotto]

Acquired

[dry zealot]

Dam fancy box

[gray grotto]

Quick first impressions:

SP-004 actually feels like a slab of glass to me compared to the SP3 who feels a bit more "plasticky" in a sense.

Jade skates: X-raypad jades are noticably a bit faster on the SP4 compared to the 3 in terms of dynamic glide. Static friction feels about the same and just swiping the mouse across doesn't feel like a big difference, but sliding it from 1 end to another shows that the jades slide longer before comming to a stop on the SP4.

OP1 stock skates: seems to feel about the same in terms of speed on both pads.

Cyclones (freshly installed): MUCH quieter than any of the pervious 2 skates. Feels so far as fast as the Jades I think.

Sound on both pads: the SP4 is a little bit quieter but not as much. SP3 has more of a "scratch" noise to it, a little higher pitched, than the SP4 has. You can tell the SP3 has a bit of texture rubbing against the feet making that noise, with the SP4 it feels very smooth and it is a bit lesser than that.

The Cyclones are much quieter on both pads. Instead of soundling like a high pitched scratch it is more a lower-pitched "hollow" sound if that makes any sense.

Base is very nice. The SP4 actually lays still on my desk compared to the SP3, and the La Onda Glaze

OP1 skates were a pain in the ass to remove though... stock skates left a shit ton of residu and there is still plenty there I couldnt remove

Jades (first) vs Cyclones (second).

There was something stuck under the jades... but even without that squeeky noise from it it remains the same.

[compact sluice]

So in general, what differences do you notice?

[gray grotto]

SP4 is a tiny bit quieter than the SP3 and a tiny bit faster but not by a large margin for me.

Base is signficantly better. The added sliver of height is also nice.

It does feel smoother. There is less of a "scratchy" feeling on the SP4 compared to the 3.

[compact sluice]

so not so much difference in the glide or anything?

[gray grotto]

Shimmy mentioned it is skate dependend and it seems to be true. Jades are quite a tad faster on the 4 in terms of dynamic friction.

And as I said: the overall glide feels smoother and a bit more consistent I suppose? SP4 feels "textureless" while with the SP3 it still feels like it has some nano-texture. It just glides a tiny bit nicer

But I wouldn't say the difference is night and day "OHAHGAW get it now!"

[compact sluice]

Ok ok thank you

I will not be investing then haha

[gray grotto]

I have to wear them in a bit more but the Cyclone skates are nice as fuck. Very smooth and much more quiet

[compact sluice]

Interesting

I don’t really care about noise cuz of my headset being noise cancelling

[gray grotto]

We talked about the Skypad yesterday right? @haughty vapor You can find my initial impression above ☝️

[gray grotto]

Yeah it really is nice. Magnetic one too. Much better than the older one.

[dense tinsel]

more height is bad noo

whenever im doing wide vertical flicks my forearm gets really sore from being pressed against the edge of the pad

[gray grotto]

Personally I never had that issues so I cannot erall commeny on that myself

[haughty vapor]

Had this happen to me too, did you get an op1?

[haughty vapor]

Thanks for mentioning me

Yeah I didint think the differences would be massive tbh, interested to see how you progress with it though

[gray grotto]

Op1 8k

[haughty vapor]

My main is an op1we (:

[gray grotto]

Slowly getting back into things with the Skypad.

The Skypad wiggle is real 😂

Smoothness arc soon

[compact sluice]

skypad wiggle is SO real

[gray grotto]

I struggled trying not to pull back on the mouse yesterday lol but i will get used to eventually

[compact sluice]

hasha

[gray grotto]

I assume that is what you dont do either on the skypad, right? Just letting the friction (whatever is let) do the stopping for you

[compact sluice]

well i stop the mouse manually but also yes i guess?

i dont apply counter tension if thats what you mean

[gray grotto]

Yeah that. Just let the mousepad do its thing basically

[glad comet]

That's mainly why shimmy told you to visualize flicking to only halfway, the rest skypad will handle, not like you apply this to "normal" non-superfast pads

[gray grotto]

Yeah I was doing this on cloth too, but given that the pad has way less resistance to stop the mouse for you I was thinking if something differently needed to be done, but guess it just comes down to decelerating sooner and not accelerating as hard (the latter for now at least)

[glad comet]

I mean I don't do that at all and I treated that tip skeptically but then I remember shimmy is on glass and it made sense

[gray grotto]

What do you do if I may ask? Or do you just decelerate later on in the flick?

So instead of the halfway point, you do it way later

[glad comet]

My pad is arguably shit so I just flick to the target and it usually lands on it or just before it, rarely I get a slight overflick which is acceptable

Lemme check one of my latest plays on AL

[gray grotto]

While still keeping the decelerating thing that Walk mentioned in mind I suppose

[glad comet]

I just relax my hand and let it stop (or transition into micro if I react in time)

[gray grotto]

So yes 😛

[glad comet]

Like as I argued about ages ago I hate deceleration mentioned, since you just relax your hand and it happens and that's what you should recommend imo

[gray grotto]

Yeah I understand the wording can be confusing, hence why I always add additional details.

"You should decelerate, AKA, after the flick, relax your hand and the mousepad does the rest". Rather than say 1 over the other

[glad comet]

Holy my runs suck

[gray grotto]

@MeEveryday

[glad comet]

Wait lemme check fiveshot maybe it's not as bad as threeshot

[gray grotto]

You can see my lil skypad wiggle here: #1196131037172990002 message

Gonna take a while to get used to it

[glad comet]

💃

[glad comet]

Yeah I wouldn't serve as a good smoothness example, but I'm getting there

[gray grotto]

Smoothness arc starting today for me... Gonan be hell of a grind

[glad comet]

I wanna grind smoothness but at the same I don't want to get off my daily VDIM grind

I keep thinking maybe I should grind some smoothness early in the day and play VDIM as I usually do at night but since VDIMs are usually 75-90 tasks it's just gg

[gray grotto]

Yeah that is just an overload lol

Sometimes I lose the track of time and it just happens, but man... it is draining

[glad comet]

Yeah you tell me when I start reseting and get off PC in the middle of the night

Imagine 87 tasks VDIM and you start reseting

[gray grotto]

Starts aim training at 8pm

Suddenly 00:00

"Yeah didn't reset as much like yesterday!"

[glad comet]

So real

Esp when my angleshot (pasu) PB is under 80% accuracy

How can you not reset with this shit

[gray grotto]

Or you just miss once

and then rapid-trigger the reset button

Imagine buying a Wooting just to reset your Kovaaks/AL scenarios faster

[glad comet]

AL default reset to F6

It's already annoying to reach I'll keep it that way

[glad comet]

More like miss once then miss 5 more times on 1 target then you reset like 10 next runs cuz u cant hit 2 targets in a row

Focus issues

[gray grotto]

Shimmy to me a while ago: "try having good accuracy in the first 5-10 seconds of the run. It will get you into a flow.

Me: Misses the first target and resets 50x times

[glad comet]

In AL you can aim on the target before the start so it's missing the second target for me LOL

[gray grotto]

No wonder static is easier on AL /s

[glad comet]

I mean it's just 10 points..

It's actually easier on KvK

since no accuracy penalty, most of the tasks you play on KvK are reload so you don't lose the score for missing

on AL you missed once you not only lost 10 points you should've hit but also a bit more

[gray grotto]

#1196131037172990002 message

Those 10 points could've spared me 2 hours of grinding or so last time 😂

[glad comet]

91.6% accuracy would remove more than those 10

I actually don't know how sqrt accuracy thing works

[gray grotto]

ssshhh just let me be delusional

[glad comet]

I have like 92.4% accuracy on my PB and it took 48 points off me

Could've been almost gm in static

[gray grotto]

Ow yeah AL punishes misses right?

[glad comet]

Yeah that's what I meant by accuracy "penalty". You lose score for missing

I need to ask someone what's the math behind it since amount of points removed for 1 miss would depend on final score

[glad comet]

Okay so it's just sqrt(hits / shots) * finalScore, finalScore for static is just hits * 10

[gray grotto]

Quick mafs

[dense tinsel]

can't get any worse than this

https://youtu.be/Bhn9lNi_iHU?si=6Bhb-uvUBD2qcdTs

6:45

getting a good flow state just for a slur to get you out of it

[gray grotto]

I was watching without sound at first but damn the debuff is real😂

[gray grotto]

Im gonna need so much practise with my skypad cause you are flicking on the same speed as I do on cloth (but faster and efficient of course) and on glass I genuinly feel like I need to use the smallest amount of force to avoid overshooting lmao. I am otherwise just skibbidity-boppin all over the target

But I guess that smoothness training kinda will help a good chunk with that

[dense tinsel]

yea smoothness is way more important on skypad because there's no stopping power

you have to decelerate all by yourself there's no pad assist

[gray grotto]

But you still dont apply like counter-tension/mouse pulling to stop right? Or do you do a bit on the skypad

[dense tinsel]

i dontget it sry

are you asking if i use tension? cos I do

but it depends on the scenario

[gray grotto]

Using tension to stop AKA pulling back on the mouse, instead of relaxing after the flick and let it play out

[dense tinsel]

oh nab

i use tension for stuff like clustering as it helps me with stability

anything where I have to speed up or be more precise ill tense my fingers

but if it's not required i have none

[gray grotto]

Okay. Just making sure this still applied to glass too lol

But then with very little/no assistance from the pad compared to cloth

Gonna be fun...

@dense tinsel 30-days smoothness arc starting tonight.

Those balls gonna regret it

Still not sure which senses to use for the categories but will figure it out

[dense tinsel]

even more correct on glass

since theres no stopping power

[gray grotto]

That is what used to confused me a while ago about glass.

If there is very little to no stopping power on glass, then how would you apply it properly without doing it yourself.

But yeah, its just the same principle (let the motion play out after the flick, relaxing your hand) but you just have to do it a bit earlier and/or less hard.

[dense tinsel]

i need to figure out how to get my scen idea

it could be a life changer

[gray grotto]

But I used to have the idea at first that stopping power equaled to stopping it yourself (AKA pulling back) so when I learned this it was a whole new world

[gray grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[dense tinsel]

i dont know how to word it properly but i think "pulling it back" sounds really bad

its just deceleration

[gray grotto]

The difference is basically you applying force to stop the mouse vs not doing it and just let the motion play out by itself basically.

I always thought at first it was the former part but yeah thanks to you and the others I now know its the latter.

which was even worse cause i was trying to be way too fast

Just lil voltaic silver nostalgia

[glad comet]

You're not supposed to touch the glasspad right?

[oak elk]

change the percent to a decimal (91.6% -> 0.916), then take the square root of that

[glad comet]

@oak elk

but yeah

[oak elk]

pretty much ye

[gray grotto]

Smoothness grind (Day 1/30)

Link to next day: #1196131037172990002 message

**Sens range that will be used: **

• 30-35/40cm for VAI/Pasu/Most Horizontal
• 20cm for SYW

I think 20-30cm will be a bit too excessive for everything

Starting point (No vertical for now):

[gray grotto]

VAI

[dense tinsel]

that vai 1 master omg

[gray grotto]

Horizontal

Pasu Track

[gray grotto]

I love how when you look at my VAI scores it goes from best to worst.

My bottom-left to top-right is the best and then it goes down from there

[dense tinsel]

ahaha

[glad comet]

@gray grotto Ok so I did some horizontal benching first AND I GOT HUMBLED PRETTY GOOD. 3 basic scores, 2 beginner, one unranked. I unironically though for a moment that you could have better scores than me on those. You actually beat my always left, but I think I just jinxed it cuz my always right is better

I'm slightly better but we're starting on the same point and you'll probably beat me since I can't dedicate much time to this

[glad comet]

Also I can't help but notice that tracking with Ctrl as shooting key is actually harder for me in majority of cases, although not all of them. I'd like you try Ctrl for a bit and see if it's easier or not. I think smoothness wise it's probably harder

[gray grotto]

The always left and right are tough for me lol. Having to reset is so jarring.

What ranges do you use yourself for the scenarios?

[glad comet]

I used 25 for wrist and 40 for the rest for now

I'm kinda good at angletrack in AL so I except at least good pasu track rank

[gray grotto]

I am still figuring out what to use

Using 20cm for SYW, and around 30 for the rest + VAI.

For Pasu track, the first one or two I might do with 20 or 25 given the target is bigger and the rest I will continue in 30-35 given they are smaller.

Guess that works for me so far.

Found 20 on most things a tad too difficult to control

[dense tinsel]

mmmmmmmmmm

[glad comet]

I'll be going all around 20-50cm range, even for wrist smoothness I'd do both 20 and as slow as it can get to force it to move faster and still be smooth/speed match, same with arm

[glad comet]

@gray grotto will you try 🥺

I genuinely think absence of any pressure (by holding M1) adds to the challenge of smoothness training thus making it efficient? Since any kind of jitters you have will be way more visible

[gray grotto]

I was just trying on a few righ as you pinged me.

I personally wouldn't say it is harder for me, but I do feel a little "disconnected" if that makes sense.

[glad comet]

Yeah that disconnection thing too

Like with M1 you lock onto it and without it you can't or something

So yeah nearly all of my scores are better on M1 so I prefer training Ctrl more

[gray grotto]

I personally don't know what to think of it, so I just stick to M1 myself ;p

[glad comet]

I can do Ctrl only on TSK and we'll see how it goes for both of us in comparison

I don't hold down M1 in val anyway don't need that at all

[gray grotto]

Smoothness grind (Day 2/30) (Link to day 1: #1196131037172990002 message)

Link to next day: #1196131037172990002 message

Benchmarks before starting day 2:

VAI

Pasu track

Horizontal

Sens ranges for future runs (trying to stay on the faster-side without going too fast):

• VAI: 30cm.

• Pasu Track Extrasmooth TE: 20cm-25cm for training. 30cm for pushing.

• Pasu Track Extrasmooth Small TE: 25cm for training. 30cm for pushing (20cm bit too unstable).

• PTeS eeSmall TE: 35cm for training, 40cm for pushing.

• PTS Small TE: 25cm for training. 30cm for pushing.

• PTS DoubleExtra Small TE: 35cm for training, 40cm for pushing.

• SYW: 20-25cm for training, 25-30cm for pushing.

• Center 90/180: 20-25cm for training, 25-30cm for pushing

• Always left/right: 20-25cm for training, 25-30cm for pushing.

[glad comet]

How's your routine looking like? 3 categories * 6 tasks * 3 runs = 54 runs?

[gray grotto]

Mine is 3 runs for each scenario yup, but I ended up doing more each run today.

I first warmed up with like the first 2 or so scenarios.

Then I go back, do the first 2/3 runs on a faster sens, then try to push my scores with a slightly slower one for another 2/3 runs. Rinse and repeat.

[glad comet]

Ic, just finished benching vertical - intermediate with one pre-adv score. Guess horizontal is just hard

[dry zealot]

Another one recruited for tsk

[gray grotto]

TSK go brrrrr

Gonna repost it later today but this is how my benches currently look like

Horizontal mostly remained the same. The rest got pretty hard pushed.

Sheet from yesterday before training: #1196131037172990002 message

[dry zealot]

[dense tinsel]

W

[gray grotto]

@dry zealot @dense tinsel better watch out imma catch up soon on y'all

[dry zealot]

Guess we meet again tsk… time for round 2 of grinding

(Next week )

[slim tree]

"TakeRep" command returned an error: strconv.ParseInt: parsing "**in": invalid syntax

[dense tinsel]

hurry up then

i need motivation for it

[gray grotto]

8 runs later and I hit ultra instinct on this one

Your turn lads @dry zealot @dense tinsel

[glad comet]

@dense tinsel you got gapped...

[dense tinsel]

uhh

[gray grotto]

This one gonna take longer 😅

[dense tinsel]

ill try and hop on tonight

that one should be fine

[dry zealot]

NO

[gray grotto]

YES

First pre-advanced score

[dry zealot]

🔥

[gray grotto]

I am comming for you @past slate

But not today...

[glad comet]

Tomorrow you coming for them

The next day you coming for shimmy...

[dense tinsel]

oh shit im 100

thats such a clean number

[dense tinsel]

your turn

time to spin back

[gray grotto]

Soon (tm)

[gray grotto]

Smoothness grind (Day 3/30) (Link to day 2: #1196131037172990002 message)

Link to next day: #1196131037172990002 message

Benchmarks before starting day 3:

VAI

Pasu track

Horizontal

Horizontal remains a slow one for me.

[dense tinsel]

[gray grotto]

Good stuff

[gray grotto]

How did you get that "to pre-advanced" tab? Mine is immediately set for uber

[dense tinsel]

i edited it myself uhh

[gray grotto]

Ah thanks

I have no clue how excel works...

[glad comet]

If you benched suave on AL what was your score

[dense tinsel]

i dont think i did

ive only played the val bench

[glad comet]

Oh alr, it's basically centering air so I was wondering

[gray grotto]

Smoothness grind (Day 4/30)
(Link to day 3: #1196131037172990002 message )

Link to next day: #1196131037172990002 message

Benchmarks before starting day 4:

[gray grotto]

No PBs. Averages dropped across the board.

[compact sluice]

happens

go again tmrw

[gray grotto]

💪

[dry zealot]

😎

[gray grotto]

Ayooo

[dry zealot]

Day 5 of trying to be an uber driver 🔥

[glad comet]

WE GETTING OUT OF THE BOLT WITH THAT ONE 🔥

[gray grotto]

I really can't tell if SYW (Smooth your wrist) is just a mediocre task or if wrist smoothness just takes ages to work on

Cause I haven't been seeing any improvement in that task for like 3-4 days now