general

[sullen lance]

surely

[sage oasis]

RIGHT NOW

[sullen lance]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

[sullen lance]

coach me 🥹❤️

[sullen lance]

add me on steam goat

[sage oasis]

Ok ican get

[sullen lance]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scuba-scuba-catgif-cat-gif-3307696218951769070

[sage oasis]

u to

astra ground

[sullen lance]

bet

i like ground

[fallen slate]

I actually slept

[sullen lance]

LETS GOOOO

[humble goblet]

Good morning

[fallen slate]

I just watched

Actually

https://x.com/i/status/2043325717010604434

xwetoo😱 (@xWetoo_)

Mamy nowy rekord Polski w 67speed💪🇵🇱

▶ Play video

X · Apr 12, 2026, 1:49 PM

Yeah

This shit is funny

Idk why

[regal stag]

they just keep getting worse

[sage oasis]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/eIfaction/ this my steam

[regal stag]

I'M TIRED OF TRACKING

GIVE ME SOMETHING FUCKIN ELSE

I CAN'T DO THIS

[hardy fjord]

why against back of chair?

I'm at the very front

[sullen lance]

sent

[hardy fjord]

I can't move arm back if I'm at the back

[fiery flume]

damn I must have my desk low asf rn coz my belly button is just above it LOL

[hardy fjord]

because there's chair there

[humble goblet]

You can pick something else, viscose bench has stuff that's not tracking

[sullen lance]

stability, and comfort. unless the chair restricts arm movement when verticals

yes

[peak estuary]

@idle kelp

[sullen lance]

u answered me before i could

[ancient osprey]

you hqve to learn pal

[sullen lance]

this is a chair issue

unfortunately

[coarse belfry]

im desk capped cus every chair in existence too low

[hardy fjord]

what kind of chair wouldn't have this though

a really skinny one?

[blissful agate]

Seat cushions might be a nice upgrade

[past nebula]

prob not a mechanics problem

[coarse belfry]

i have them

[sour totem]

Hey I have optimal seating then

[regal stag]

if i have to do this every day i'm going to lose my mind

[hardy fjord]

buy a new cylinder

[regal stag]

this feels awfu for me

[chrome talon]

if i use my old posture as a reference

both feet planted ✅
back of chair ✅
shoulder relax ✅
forearm on desk ❌ (it's generally floating but i can put my upper forearm down if i need to)
elbow not on desk ✅
desk above belly button ❌ (desk below belly button)

[sullen lance]

no

[hardy fjord]

???

[sullen lance]

you want your forearm relaxed on table

not floating and optional

here ill send a vid

[fallen slate]

i love floating on it

🙂‍↔️

[peak estuary]

?

[fallen slate]

What I actually do that

[chrome talon]

but if i use my current posture for reference

both feet planted ✅
back of chair ✅
shoulder relax ❌ (shoulder protraction and retraction for vertical motion)
forearm on desk ❌ (floating)
elbow not on desk ❌ (elbow on desk)
desk above belly button ❌ (desk upper chest height)

[hardy fjord]

desk at belly button ✅

[chrome talon]

so i guess my current posture is a massive downgrade from my previous one

[sullen lance]

ignore skates being loud

[ancient osprey]

can you stop making it seem like anyone is forcing you? if YOU want to get good YOU have to do things but no one is forcing you pal

[hardy fjord]

just do less

or play tracking scenarios you find more fun

you don't have to do viscose

[supple summit]

we're cookin.

[ancient osprey]

lddh

lddh duel

[chrome talon]

the friction between the forearm and the desk/mousepad is what throws off my vertical tracking smoothness, how do you fix it?

[regal stag]

it's just a lot of fucking sitting and playing like 80% a genre that literally doesn't apply whatsoever to valorant

[sullen lance]

i use a sleeve, but it shouldn't be so much friction to the point you cant move your arm, you should have enough ability to tense and control your X/Y axis movements

[regal stag]

i'm just getting worse palying this benchamrk

[chrome talon]

i already use a sleeve

[regal stag]

it doesn't actually seem like it's good

[sullen lance]

depending on how much pressure you put on the desk, how much you feel when going up and down

[pure bloom]

my chair is selling me I can only pull all the way down if I flare my arm out

[sullen lance]

gg

[pine wolf]

what rank are you in val

[drifting dock]

G1

[regal stag]

gold 1

gold 2 peak

[pine wolf]

that makes so much sense

[past nebula]

wow

[pine wolf]

get your mental up

[regal stag]

i'm taking a break right now so i want to spent it improving my aim

but oh my god this just sucks all the life out of me

[pine wolf]

yeah so get your mental up

[past nebula]

its prob an attention issue too if ur ass at tracking specefically @regal stag

[pine wolf]

stop complaining TO YOURSELF and you will improve

just naturally

[muted cliff]

^

[regal stag]

how am i supposed to not when i'm getting all time lows and can't get anywhere near my original highest scores

[sullen lance]

im speaking in this video

[regal stag]

this doesn't feel like a plateau because for those you have to actually have a hard limit that you never get above??

[sullen lance]

hope it helps a bit

[drifting dock]

bro it's the same shit with valorant again

[potent sand]

So hot

[past nebula]

bro how long have u been playing

[regal stag]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL ANYONE

I'M INSUFFERABLE

[regal stag]

91 hours roughly

[pure bloom]

anyone know a good cheap office chair or something and a desk

[past nebula]

yeah bro

[unique spindle]

I think I left my jacket at your house can i come over and get it

[sullen lance]

@chrome talon

[regal stag]

how the hell does anyone sit through thousands of these hours

[past nebula]

shits not gonna change overnight

[regal stag]

i already want to give up

[sullen lance]

love u twin

[past nebula]

cause they dont think the way u do

[drifting dock]

go custom make 1 with like a wood guy

[drifting dock]

they aren't that bad

[regal stag]

there's no magic solution to how i think i feel like

[sullen lance]

plateau isnt a hard limit you cant get above, just a temporary state

[pine wolf]

ok listen to this

if youre consistently getting the same scores then you have not hit your peak

now if you look at it backwards this means that you will not be able to always match your peak or improve you will have those lower dips in scores but also this doesnt mean that you should half ass attempts you should always play for peaks nonetheless

but if you keep playing in the long run you will get higher and higher peaks

[drifting dock]

No one has a magic solution bro

[sullen lance]

you will improve dominick

[past nebula]

goes for both ur mechs and mental lol

[pine wolf]

not that hard to understand

[sullen lance]

just keep showing up

try new things

[pure bloom]

whats the like recommended desk size just measured mine and its 31.5 x 16

[past nebula]

no magic solution either

[drifting dock]

u acting like when we improve we just suddenly figure it out

😭

[sage oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1466878098875089200.webp?size=96&animated=true

[sullen lance]

my desk is 60 x 24

but im getting a 63 x 32 soon

[drifting dock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scuba-scuba-catgif-cat-gif-3307696218951769070

[undone fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1412126882211561685/1492608087020802078/caption.gif

[unique spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scuba-scuba-catgif-cat-gif-3307696218951769070

[undone fiber]

Smoked.

[sullen lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1466878098875089200.webp?size=96&animated=true

[unique spindle]

bang

[chrome talon]

ive only been conscious about my tension with my fingers and wrist but never thought about forearm or shoulder tension, great perspective, thank you

[pure bloom]

well damn

[sullen lance]

you have to learn tension across all muscle groups! its very important

shoulder forearm wrist and fingertips!

[fiery flume]

real

[sullen lance]

it will change your life

[fiery flume]

what do you mean I can’t instantly be good at something?

this mustn’t be for me.

[drifting dock]

I'm ngl although I saying this I'm kinda facing the same issues as him too

but it's ok slow motion is better than no motion

[humble goblet]

The first step is not giving up

[regal stag]

it's not that i'm not instantly getting good at it, it's that i don't know how in the world to fix anything when i'm bad at it

[fiery flume]

by continuing

[pine wolf]

bait or low iq

call it

[regal stag]

i could jut keep playing over and over but wouldn't that just be dimishing returns???

[fiery flume]

no?

[pine wolf]

ok yes for one aim training is diminishing returns

but you are not at that stage yet

[hardy fjord]

have you started using wrist for direction changes?

[humble goblet]

Diminishing returns still implies returns ie improvement

[pine wolf]

and for two how would playing over and over make you worse

[past nebula]

have u just played over and over only pushing a hs?

[pure bloom]

works sometimes

[fiery flume]

diminishing returns is only applicable the higher up you go, when you’re at ground level you have infinitely larger returns on investment to take

[sullen lance]

@regal stag i promise you you can achieve heights you cant even imagine right now. even someone as legendary as viscose started off as a silver player. And someone like me, despite not being at the top, have achieved all i have so far without ever touching a keyboard and mouse before february of 2025. just keep showing up, keep learning, keep trying new things, but never doubt yourself, especially when the person at the top Big Matty himself has stated that to this day he is still improving and learning more every day.

[regal stag]

yes but i keep not getting anywhere near them on half of them so i give up with a mid score

[sullen lance]

just stop complaining

nothing good ever comes easy.

[pine wolf]

instead of tilting and complaining TO YOURSELF why not try to use some REFLECTION and identify some ISSUES in your technique

[fiery flume]

so don’t give up

boom

problem solved

[regal stag]

well how do i identify those issues

[pine wolf]

bro

[drifting dock]

but yea bro don't waste ur energy malding and overthinking ab why u aren't getting better

[sullen lance]

not by complaining

[hardy fjord]

you never answered. Have you started using wrist on direction changes?

[drifting dock]

it's simple u just aren't doing it right

[regal stag]

THAT'S A VALID QUESTION

[pine wolf]

you have to figure them out yourself

[sullen lance]

read what i sent dude

[pine wolf]

sometimes you cant

[pure bloom]

rage tilted into gold complete today

[pine wolf]

and thats ok

[pure bloom]

was either that or a broken monitor

[drifting dock]

I've wasted many hours doing this

[past nebula]

not to be rude but u def have issues that need solving outside the trainer

[pine wolf]

thats when you ask for advice and stuff

hence the channel

[regal stag]

i don't know how to switch between them on a dime. they feel like they move too quickly for me to do that

it's either all wrist or all arm

[pine wolf]

but the way youre playing your tasks rn i bet is completely mindless

[drifting dock]

Bro it's the same as dm

[hardy fjord]

practice that first. wrist flick into a speedmatch

[drifting dock]

win or lose doesn't matter

[sullen lance]

time. and. practice.

[pine wolf]

if you realize that you keep overflicking then just overadjust less

[drifting dock]

we are playing dm/aimtrainers to aim better

[hardy fjord]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/131tMwNmJY-lJPVdddpOWKY9uajDWWe3I5ym-UzmF0QE/edit?gid=532719343#gid=532719343
play jade palace ground entry to practice it

[humble goblet]

Ask for advice, then listen to the advice, and practice, lots of focused targeted practice not jumping between scenarios switching to a different one after 10 minutes

[regal stag]

i can't get to anything that makes me flick because it's all just tracking

[drifting dock]

not for the scores

[pine wolf]

drop the recording agian

it could also be the opposite like youre lagging a lot

[past nebula]

@pine wolf

[pine wolf]

0:07

whats that look like?

[regal stag]

oh i actually hate this wrist flicking thing

[potent sand]

I found the triple t at da mall

[pine wolf]

see that contradicts your this statement right here so moral of story you need to fix your mental

[hardy fjord]

turn off bullet trails

[drifting dock]

ttt ma boii

[drifting dock]

u gotta understand what parts of aiming u using

[sage oasis]

Dis tuff

[sullen lance]

this takes TIME and PRACTICE. every player at every level and rank works on this in specific. learning to use ALL of your arms muscle groups effectively IS aimtraining

[drifting dock]

Tung tung, tung tung, don't leave.

[sullen lance]

just stop complaining, it WONT help

[polar pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scuba-scuba-catgif-cat-gif-3307696218951769070

[kind glade]

Shut up

[sullen lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1466878098875089200.webp?size=96&animated=true

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scuba-scuba-catgif-cat-gif-3307696218951769070

[kind glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421596847499247723/1461485975380426833/image1.gif

[polar pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768262165525168168/1460799207043498085/G-kuLaBbQAEKxZF.gif

[drifting dock]

my guy if u desperate to improve u should be wanting to know everything ab aim training

[kind glade]

jarly is such a familiar ass name

[drifting dock]

so u can get better at it

[sullen lance]

yare yare... or someshit

[kind glade]

but i cant remember why

[drifting dock]

not fold to every single challenge

[regal stag]

WHAT

HOW

THIS FELT AWFUL

[drifting dock]

bro ur not even doing that bad

[rose night]

that is NOT big sahur 😭

[pine wolf]

try changing your crosshair see if that helps

to sum bigger

[sullen lance]

https://tenor.com/view/everywhere-at-the-end-of-time-its-just-a-burning-memory-backrooms-the-caretaker-trollge-gif-24774320

[regal stag]

well i thought the tracking part was really bad

i couldn't focus on anything but the actual flick part

[muted cliff]

dude u gotta chill otherwise ur gonna get cooked

[pine wolf]

dw bro masons silver

[polar pivot]

I cant watch the vid cuz av1 but based on sound its not that bad

[drifting dock]

My guy this is what my first viscose bench play looked like

[past nebula]

ur fried

[drifting dock]

This was 2 weeks ago

[past nebula]

dude pbed and is saying it felt awful

[drifting dock]

alr why am I catching strays

[potent sand]

Ty bae

[drifting dock]

I'm trying ok

[potent sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scuba-scuba-catgif-cat-gif-3307696218951769070

[pine wolf]

😺

[polar pivot]

Add me to flkr

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-money-no-money-no-money-meme-money-please-beggar-emoji-gif-7109609360249280076

[hard stump]

is anyone here skinny

[regal stag]

which one you recommend?

[polar pivot]

@kind glade

[regal stag]

i'm 113 lbs

[kind glade]

@hollow basalt

[pine wolf]

idk i use the cross with the outline but really small

[rancid cypress]

jesus

[pine wolf]

you can try using that but big

[rancid cypress]

Pick up the fork bro

[kind glade]

what if hes 5'0

[pine wolf]

bros petite

[drifting dock]

swear ill be master and at least ascendant in 6 months

[pine wolf]

good point

[drifting dock]

Swear

[regal stag]

5'4 though

[rancid cypress]

I’m sorry jit

[kind glade]

the bar is in hell

[hard stump]

what’s it like seeing your toes

[sullen lance]

is skinny and lean different to you guys

[hard stump]

yeah

[pine wolf]

yeah

[kind glade]

Yes

[potent sand]

Can I join?

[ancient osprey]

6 months from iron to asc is fair if yohre new

[drifting dock]

ok diamond in 6 months

[sullen lance]

ok

[rancid cypress]

Skinny = not much muscle

[drifting dock]

Master is kinda trippin

[sullen lance]

ok

nvm

[rancid cypress]

Lean = low bf

[hard stump]

yerr skinny is like slim

[kind glade]

also u can be lean and not skinny

[pine wolf]

wait does he mean low bar or high bar

bc master in 6 months can totally be low bnar

i feel like

[sullen lance]

wait whats my category then

[rose night]

yeah

[sullen lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1466878098875089200.webp?size=96&animated=true

[kind glade]

obese

[hard stump]

papa

[drifting dock]

I don't know gng imma be fr I barely got any confidence in myself cus I'm buns

but I'm trying

[sullen lance]

prob

[rose night]

chudling

[sullen lance]

chudmaxxing

[kind glade]

the only obese guy ive met is boarito

[rancid cypress]

U can be jacked n low body fat

[kind glade]

thats what i meant

im saying they arent interchangeable

[rancid cypress]

Oh wait I read that wrong

[sullen lance]

so whats that called

[rancid cypress]

Dw

[hard stump]

i thought he was finally down to 320

[sullen lance]

jacked and low body fat

[kind glade]

me

?

[sullen lance]

u mean me

right

surely

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1466878098875089200.webp?size=96&animated=true

[kind glade]

the worst part is

[drifting dock]

https://tenor.com/view/mariolord-mariolord14-mario-lord-mario-lord-gif-12993108603153607612

[sullen lance]

jk ima chud

[kind glade]

hes not even 1/3

of this

[drifting dock]

chud lite

[pure bloom]

how much harder is intermediate compared to novice? Not playing it today cause I don't want to start tweaking again.

[rancid cypress]

Not that hard

[regal stag]

couldn't flick with my wrist so i used my arm for this one but i got a new pb!!!

[rancid cypress]

U get used to it pretty quickly

[pine wolf]

how quick

im struggling

[stuck drum]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HDjeVDsW4AAghul.mp4

[rancid cypress]

idk bro

Day or 2

[sullen lance]

the life

[pine wolf]

sounds fair

[sullen lance]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-cat-kitty-silly-cat-gif-13005602971504799451

[shadow comet]

jesus fucking christ your insane

[drifting dock]

ohmagod 5th celestial?

[stuck drum]

It's all I am now

[sullen lance]

y

[regal stag]

oh

[sullen lance]

this is normal

dont 😿

[rancid cypress]

over for u dom

[drifting dock]

shi without that pace bar I got 0 idea how I'm doing in my runs

Especially for tracking

[pine wolf]

when are leaderboards gonna refresh again

[regal stag]

the oens like this feel really complicated to me

oh i'm pink now

[drifting dock]

u doing pretty well bro

don't stress urself out

[muted cliff]

work on speed matching

wait ur not even doing that bad

[pine wolf]

OMG

gold to master pasu in 3 days?

[muted cliff]

nice

[muted cliff]

thats jade

[drifting dock]

bro this is alr like orca

[pine wolf]

yeah

maybe i can get 980 tmrw

well see

[muted cliff]

u got this

nah do it todayt

[regal stag]

i don't think this scenario
helps with aiming at all

[drifting dock]

I'm still like the 3rd lowest rnak in that scene

[regal stag]

targets are absolutely massive

[pine wolf]

bro its midnight ☹️

[sullen lance]

because easy, but until u can play it well its helping

[coarse belfry]

got rid of my nasty jade spot im never playing this shit again

[past nebula]

is that the easy bendchamrks

[muted cliff]

yeah ur on easy tho

[sullen lance]

your tech needs alot of work.

[drifting dock]

Yea

[bold dock]

40 points away from another indigo

aga

[coarse belfry]

hate frogtagon

[muted cliff]

not with that attitude

play agan

[coarse belfry]

no i got the score

[muted cliff]

wait

i misread

oop

[coarse belfry]

took me longer than every other scen combined

so far

[muted cliff]

really?

[coarse belfry]

yes

[muted cliff]

fark

[regal stag]

oh my god i'm finally off the fucking tracking

uuuuuuuuugh

[low iris]

Can someone please review my vod. I've been struggling on this map

[past nebula]

bro the tiers on that benchmark make no sense i cant get seal but im celadon

[bold dock]

aa4ve indigo complete

[regal stag]

i don't think i understand pokeball though

[drifting dock]

😭

[drifting dock]

Hold click btw

[regal stag]

i am

[drifting dock]

dont let go

[pine wolf]

WHAT LMAO

@regal stag

[drifting dock]

this scene my only seal 😭 😭

[sullen lance]

nice

[regal stag]

uuuh wait what are you pinging me for

[pine wolf]

look at the drop

from 930 to 800

[fallen slate]

🤤

[pine wolf]

saying its normal

[sage oasis]

FUCK YOU

[sage oasis]

FUCK YOU

[sage oasis]

FUCK YOU

[sullen lance]

mmm

yumy

[potent berry]

Do you have a bev with that meal?

you need a bev

[sullen lance]

what steak lookin like

red

or wat

[regal stag]

i think i am AWFUL at pokeball

[muted cliff]

ground for 2 hrs

[regal stag]

i grinded out so much fucking tracking i can't play flicking anymore

[muted cliff]

hell

[drifting dock]

My guy this is like almost seal

u aren't even that bad

[coarse belfry]

better than me fr

[drifting dock]

I started off not being able to even get a rank

[regal stag]

i already have a seal in it but my current scores are like actually awful by comparison

[sullen lance]

flick fast, try to underflick, micro, as soon as you confirm your micro get ready to flick again p much

the targets die very fast

[regal stag]

that's what i

'm doing but like

it feels wrong

completely

[sullen lance]

ur gliding ur mouse

[drifting dock]

he's just tired

[sullen lance]

ur not flicking

[regal stag]

i am

[drifting dock]

oh yea

[sullen lance]

dont over tense tho

[sullen lance]

ur not

[drifting dock]

u aren't

[sullen lance]

look at the vod

you are not flicking

[past nebula]

on my life the easier tier is harder than med

im hardstuck orca

[coarse belfry]

s5 got pasu w acc scoring...

kill me

[drifting dock]

Vro I been playing fo 2 weeks and I have 1 seal

[past nebula]

ive been playing like a month bro

do the mediu m

[regal stag]

yeah no this just

this is why i was saying i didn't need tracking specifically

i can't micro for absolute shit

[drifting dock]

Nah bunch of ppl just start playing and they alr gold

[regal stag]

genuinelty the worst

[slow rivet]

lock in cro

[drifting dock]

Ig I hv to try harder

[open parrot]

they should add crossy road to windows

[regal stag]

if you say this isn't flicking you're just actually lying

[drifting dock]

Yea this is

[pine wolf]

i think you cant do anything for shit rn and thats ok it just means you need to put in more time in all these different areas

[past nebula]

this is what happened to me

[sullen lance]

i will send you my vod

[past nebula]

then u get stuck playt

[pine wolf]

youre gold bro thats a long way to go but fortunately it also means that you should be able to improve pretty fast

[muted cliff]

^

[sullen lance]

this is fuschia

[regal stag]

how does that mean i should be able to improve fast?

[sullen lance]

look at this

[muted cliff]

just play the game for a bit every day

[sullen lance]

and try and learn from it

[pine wolf]

the speed throughout your movements are like constant

thats moving fast not flicking

[fallen slate]

Ofc

[regal stag]

your micros are infintiely more developed than mine

[past nebula]

h0w do u make the hs bar fatter

[pure bloom]

your smoothness angers me greatly. you're a well oiled gear and im a rusty pos

[pine wolf]

settings

[storm hamlet]

this scen is some bull man

[pine wolf]

theres a thing for size

[storm hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-angry-patrick-spongebob-wrath-gif-15432365849307349642

[pine wolf]

defeault is 0.5

[regal stag]

is flicking not just moving mouse fast??

[fallen slate]

My mom was nice to pick me up nice food as I was sleeping

[pine wolf]

just search up a how to flick video on youtube

[coarse belfry]

no... i refuse..

[pine wolf]

any one of them definitely covers it\

[regal stag]

if you're talking about bardoz method that's very evidently what i'm already doing

[sullen lance]

@fallen slate can tell you guys how much blood sweat and tears i put into this score bruh

[drifting dock]

it's accelerating

not just moving fast

[pine wolf]

i have no idea what the bardoz method is

[sullen lance]

it takes time

[drifting dock]

s-bardpill

[quick echo]

Bardpill is a technique to practice static that works by going for accuracy with good form and then slowly speeding up.
The rules are:

1. No misses in the first 10 seconds
2. Maximum 3 misses throughout the run
3. Restart when you break rule 1 or 2
4. Go so slow that you finish most runs
5. Slowly speed up with these rules

[sullen lance]

takes time

[pine wolf]

i feel like its actually more about decelerating

[drifting dock]

I think both

[sullen lance]

edit in hud

[drifting dock]

rigjt

[pine wolf]

where your initial movement is "explosive" 😭

[sullen lance]

no, very important scen

[tawny brook]

Hellooo guyss!!

[sullen lance]

thank you, you can achieve the same i promise

[regal stag]

well which tutorial should i use? i feel like half of them are just gonna cover bardpill

[sullen lance]

work hard!

[storm hamlet]

how important

[sullen lance]

zeonlos static method maybe might help you isk

idk*

[sullen lance]

extremely

[storm hamlet]

yuck

[sullen lance]

forces good technique and underflicking

[storm hamlet]

im just trying to get better at tracking

[pine wolf]

im assuming that a tutorial that tells you how to flick explains what a flick is bc thats what youre wondering rn right

[sullen lance]

it will
help

trust me

[storm hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hoodbender-rdcworld-hoodavatar-hood-avatar-gif-7373043062452024678

[vapid widget]

LESSS GO

MASTERS 1W3TSD

FSDJINFGKDSG

FINALLY

https://medal.tv/games/kovaak/clips/mv2jiPkWaGJaYho6z?invite=cr-MSxqWmosMjg1ODE4NzMz&v=60

[sullen lance]

after that score i hit indigo on 1w3ts on glass btw

[vapid widget]

GOD FUCKIN BLESS

[sullen lance]

trust static helps tracking more than u think

[regal stag]

yes but almost all of them will say "oh flicking is actually done in two steps, big uncontrolled flick and then tiny microadjustment!!"

[sullen lance]

shockingly

[potent berry]

is this truth

[sullen lance]

yeah because that's it

[storm hamlet]

ill do it tmrw

[vapid widget]

WOOOOO

[storm hamlet]

im just doing whatever tbh

i mean at least im seeing progress on my volt sheet

my grip is actually holding me back

[sullen lance]

@regal stag

[muted cliff]

anyone here have any tips for me to get ground master

[sullen lance]

got this image from domi

[fallen slate]

True

[pine wolf]

its not two distinct steps btw its more like an initial into a deceleration/microadjustment

theyre muddeled together

[sullen lance]

not really

[pure bloom]

my biggest problem on static I cannot flick in a nice somewhat straight line

[sullen lance]

depends

[pure bloom]

always somehow curve

[sullen lance]

youre describing zeonlos method here

[vapid widget]

ii

wo

[sullen lance]

in general it really is 2 distinct movements

[vapid widget]

^

[pine wolf]

bardoz method really helps with step 4 in that you shouldnt feel the need to check if youve shot the ball afterwards which allows you to instantly move on eliminating a little bit of that lag

[sullen lance]

that scenario helps

[bold dock]

this canot be a real scen bro i refuse to believe it

almost to lavender though

[sullen lance]

4 should be done instantly after step 3.1/3.2

you get better as you play

[pine wolf]

mhm

[sullen lance]

this one so fun

[peak estuary]

all air scenes are below static

🖕

[pure bloom]

debating if I should stop training until I get a better desk/chair this week

[potent berry]

???

[pure bloom]

its so cramped

[sullen lance]

booming u

https://tenor.com/view/gun-memey-aim-gif-14691352

[quartz wind]

what are yall sens on valo like?

[sullen lance]

52cm/360

[bold dock]

doing this on 40cm is kidna helpful but like whats the tech here

[sullen lance]

move mouse less

read target more

[pine wolf]

is 37cm too high

[sullen lance]

for

[past nebula]

how do u fix control and reading

[pine wolf]

valorant

i mean sens depends person to person whatever but like idk

i see lower sens 10cm gain pb

[sullen lance]

i dont play val much at all, just answered what my comfy sens is on that game

so isk

idk*

[sullen lance]

play more, vod review

[hasty verge]

https://tenor.com/view/scrumblous-gif-4389915817572254255

[regal stag]

yeah these flick tutorials arecomplete bullshit

what are they even saying

[pine wolf]

ok dont listen then oops

[sage oasis]

how many days of grinding how many hours did it take

to hit this score

[sullen lance]

uhm...

[bold dock]

i mean sure bro whatever

[drifting dock]

Too many

[sullen lance]

4 days of grinding 2hrs each of the days...

i was stuck

straight hours

playing nothing else

[drifting dock]

ayo I got a pineapple in my yard

[feral bone]

spongebob visiting

[sage oasis]

You have it nice.

im jealous.

[sullen lance]

what

😭

[drifting dock]

Left that shi there 2 years ago and it just grew out

[sullen lance]

i got secret help

[drifting dock]

now I got a pineapple plant

[sullen lance]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-memey-aim-gif-14691352

[sage oasis]

7 days of ground. 10 hours a day each.

[drifting dock]

What.

[sage oasis]

still havent hit my goal

[sullen lance]

is this what ur gona make me do

[sage oasis]

Nah u fine bro

[sullen lance]

what timezone are u in, so ik if u can help me tmr or not

[peak estuary]

70 hour weeks for ground

[drifting dock]

U going for cel?

[peak estuary]

🥀

[sullen lance]

im about to sleep

[sage oasis]

Wr

not cel

[sullen lance]

crazy goat

[drifting dock]

#1?

[sage oasis]

cen

[drifting dock]

what's da progress rn

[sullen lance]

ill be on tmr its 12am for me rn

im about to sleep

ill hit u up if u wanna vc at some point to give me tips

[feral bone]

hes rlly close

[sullen lance]

i need help with gpsv3 and ground s5

[sullen lance]

🙏

[sage oasis]

very close

[slow rivet]

67 soon

[drifting dock]

ofc it's this guy at number 1

[sage oasis]

I can do ground s5

[sage oasis]

yeah cause the real #1 is banned

[sullen lance]

okey

[sage oasis]

🤣

[drifting dock]

who is it

[sage oasis]

Zcn

[peak estuary]

zcnaimbro

[sage oasis]

with 3930

[sullen lance]

my goat

[drifting dock]

Oh

[sullen lance]

🥀

free my goat

[hollow pivot]

doesnt big a have like 4.2k

[humble goblet]

#freezcn

[drifting dock]

whyd he get banned

[sullen lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1466878098875089200.webp?size=96&animated=true

FREE ZCN

[sage oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1466878098875089200.webp?size=96&animated=true

[hollow pivot]

vexin still "only" has like 3.7k right

[sage oasis]

yeah

he can fs hit like

[regal stag]

does this look any better?

[sage oasis]

3800+ tho

[hollow pivot]

100%

[sage oasis]

its a older score of his too i believe

hes gotten so much better

[regal stag]

maybe the initial flick got better i think but the micros are still dog ass

[hollow pivot]

ash if he gets unbanned tho is just gon shit on everyone

[rose night]

free brazillian zcn

[sage oasis]

No point of trying to snipe him

[drifting dock]

u might be tensing too hard

[sage oasis]

if u get close he just gaps you

[hollow pivot]

pretty much

anything ground its hopeless

[rose night]

zcns chicken senses are tingling

[sage oasis]

he also plays js as much as me so

[peak estuary]

whom

[sage oasis]

0 shot at beating that guy

[peak estuary]

zcn?

[hollow pivot]

ash

[drifting dock]

what game does he play

I heard he's on roblox 😭

[sage oasis]

yeah...

i play js as much as him

[hollow pivot]

hes kvks main but he plays kinda whatever iirc

[sage oasis]

and yet hes like

[regal stag]

it feels like
the cleaner the technique the worse my score gets

[sage oasis]

a whole rank above me

in ground

[drifting dock]

U might js be tired

[hollow pivot]

doesnt he also have like a fucked score on crc

and wrc

[sage oasis]

yeah i noticed

[pine wolf]

wdyt this means

[sage oasis]

hes playing a lot of control scenarios

[drifting dock]

I see

[sullen lance]

i wanna be cool at ground one day

its fun honestly

i hated on it a bit before

but it grew on me sm

[fallen slate]

Just be careful

[regal stag]

idk

[fallen slate]

You have a 50% chance of being racist

[sullen lance]

control and ground and aether so so fun

[regal stag]

i genuinely don't knwo what that means

[sage oasis]

thought u were going to say

[sullen lance]

LMFAOOO

[fallen slate]

I lucked out but it might not be the same for you

[sage oasis]

he has a chance of getting injured

[fallen slate]

😭

[sullen lance]

I LOVE EVERYONE IM NOT RACIST

[bold dock]

bro i keep microstuttering and its fucking up my consistency

[sullen lance]

[regal stag]

maybe i'm not doing it wit the right technique? it seems like it's right based on what everyone says

[sullen lance]

LMFAO

[fallen slate]

I only discriminate against French people to a certain degree but that's like a widely accepted thing (I'm also completely joking)

[drifting dock]

If u hate everyone technically u aren't racist too

[pine wolf]

probably youve been playing with bad technique yeah

[drifting dock]

same but with viets

[fallen slate]

I remember when I was young watching YouTube videos and everyone is just dunking on the French people for no reason

[regal stag]

but i saw the tutorials and they say the same "just flick and micro"

[sullen lance]

aye man, im dominican (mixed) and i love everybody of every type, all humans deserve respect no matter their skin or gender preference ☺️❤️

[fallen slate]

It's just the and part that cooks you

[regal stag]

does pokeball even really hel; with anything? i can't think of a situation where you nneed to flick while holding the mouse button

[rose night]

air imo more useful

[rose night]

ts

[sullen lance]

already pgood at air naturally for some reason

without any coaching

[rose night]

and static

[fallen slate]

Technically you are doing two distinct motions but the motions are blended together as much as possible and a good player from a bad player is how well they can link these two movements together

[sullen lance]

i think when im good, my most pushed scens will be air

100%

i love air scens

[regal stag]

that makes it so much more confusing...

[sullen lance]

its my fav type of task

[fallen slate]

And being fast

[quiet widget]

spray transfer for one is such a situation

[fallen slate]

It's just accelerating and decelerating

Think about it like that

[onyx quartz]

how do i make my tracking more smooth

[fallen slate]

You accelerate to get to the Bot but slow down before you get to it

[sullen lance]

grind smoothness and control

[fallen slate]

You slowing down IS you performing the micro

[sullen lance]

learn manage tension

[fallen slate]

Micro: normally referred to as insignificant or small movements

[drifting dock]

is it true u only have tight shirts

[sullen lance]

no 😭 LOL

https://tenor.com/view/how-you-know-im-dominican-how-yk-i-dominican-dominican-papi-gif-4158703481227292398

[drifting dock]

Dominican papi

[sullen lance]

LMAO

[drifting dock]

Frll

I can hear the music

[sullen lance]

check dms

[regal stag]

i can't "blend them together" without "gliding the mouse"

it doesn't feel possible

i seriously don't think new aimers actually have as much trouble with these concepts as i do

[onyx quartz]

i feel like i'm fighting against my mousepad

like my fingers and mouse are sticking to it

[regal stag]

i'm just giving up on pokeball for now. if i keep trying to go for a high score i legit won't be able to complete the benchmark today

[keen cloud]

why do you let go of the mouse

you should be immediately doing a micro once you get there

you look like you're picking the mouse up or something

[regal stag]

i don't my hand just randomly pauses for no reason

my micros are genuinely the worst i think i've ever seen

[keen cloud]

ok can you tell it to keep moving

[regal stag]

it's just such a weird feeling playing this way

[keen cloud]

U are telling me u can’t do this???

dats it

[regal stag]

it's hardddd man

dude i don't know nothing comes naturally to me

thats not the rightg vod

[pine wolf]

i think mason said this earlier maybe youre just really tensed up

and thats why your movements are so split

[regal stag]

i don't t hink that's the case

[pine wolf]

this doesnt look that bad

[regal stag]

i mean i'm slightly tensed around by bicep but that's it

i just stop someitmes idk why

[keen cloud]

your clicking habits are not good

stop spam clicking

make one good shot then move on

[bold dock]

son just give me the indigo

[keen cloud]

if it misses it misses

[bold dock]

1.2 off the indigo thats unreal

[regal stag]

i don't even know what this scenario is for

[keen cloud]

flick control and agility

in other words, athleticism

can't play sports if you can't sprint

[regal stag]

honestly i just wanna get through this benchmark already

takes too long n just stresses me out

[sullen lance]

everything good takes time.

[drifting dock]

my guy if it's not working out maybe take a break and try later

[sullen lance]

sorry dom, you will need to put in hours

[regal stag]

i just wish viscose had a lite version of the playlist

[sullen lance]

no way around it

brace yourself for that

its the only way to improve

[regal stag]

this much aiming is more than i do each day in valorant

[drifting dock]

Shi reminded me of that the rock song

😭 😭

[keen cloud]

im pretty sure the scenario designer explictly mentions focusing on a handful of scenarios at a time

[hardy fjord]

therer is

[sullen lance]

thats a good thing

[hardy fjord]

it's called playing less of them

[sullen lance]

if you play only val and expect to improve, your aim improvement is locked to the moments in game in which you need to actively aim at an enemy. in kovaaks, youre always aiming, guess what that means?

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[regal stag]

i've only been playing them through to their entirety

i thought that's wat you had to do to get effective training each day

[drifting dock]

I think u can try doing 1 category a day maybe

[keen cloud]

so, deliberately against the intentions of the designer

[regal stag]

but so far it's been

[keen cloud]

lol

[regal stag]

4 hours? maybe

[drifting dock]

instead of full playthrough

each time

[keen cloud]

no you should pick 1 or 2 scenarios and play them for 30-60 minutes

or 2 hours or whatever

then go play your game

preferably the scenarios you suck at

[drifting dock]

before?

[regal stag]

i'm taking a break from val so i'm using this moment to train and hopefully come back to be unstoppable

[sullen lance]

if youre going to run through the benchmark from top to bottom, it should be when you have no scores at all to set a baseline score to see where your raw aim puts you at without pushing for score, then pick what you wanna focus on for the day and work on that

so like

1 play max

[regal stag]

i still have like a fourth left 😭

[sullen lance]

each scen

[regal stag]

i dont' even remmeber this playlist taking that long

it genuinely used to be shorter

[winter coral]

@keen cloud you tryna go for nova anytime soon?

[sullen lance]

its not a playlist

its a benchmark

that helps you improve as you play it

[keen cloud]

im grindin rn

control tracking atm

PB for controltrack soom

[regal stag]

if i have to break up the playlists each dayi think that might be too complicated a routine for me to follow

[sullen lance]

yes

this is what we said

bro

[regal stag]

i just want something i can play every single day and get better at :(

[winter coral]

hell yeah perfect time to get grinding

[sullen lance]

anything

literally anything

[winter coral]

good luck man

[regal stag]

but not all of them are designed to play in one day you said

[sullen lance]

oh my god

[drifting dock]

my guy got 4h in and has like double my progress

[sullen lance]

you will improve

just by playing the aim trainer

you dont need to pb every category every day

[regal stag]

i thought that was what everyone strived for

good score = you practiced good go next

[keen cloud]

source:

[drifting dock]

getting better doesn't always mean pb and high scores

[sullen lance]

you can focus on pushing your arm tracking today, then wrist tomorrow, then fingertip the next day, then maybe some stability another day

ect

all the things you learn

will stack

and help you

[regal stag]

that's so much routine :(

[sullen lance]

PLEASE

[sullen lance]

ok bro

uhh

im sorry to say

u can choose what u wanna play yk

[drifting dock]

people said tracking doesn't matter in val I started doing tracking and I suddenly cna shoot people out of the air now bro

[regal stag]

i really just can't work well under routines

[sullen lance]

youll improve

just by trying to improve

[west remnant]

Progress isn't linear
You'll pb one day, relearn something, and then the next you won't pb but you still have improved
Most people are aiming for improvement over scores
Scores are just nice to have sometimes

[sullen lance]

its not a routine bro

u can choose

what you want to push

[drifting dock]

My guy the shit is already categorised for u

[sullen lance]

for the day

play what you want

the stuff is literally already there

categorized

[regal stag]

yea but it wasn't specified like "day 1 day 2 day 3"

[sullen lance]

like he said

[drifting dock]

it's literally Play A today play B tomorrow and keep going then start over

[sullen lance]

omg

bro

[drifting dock]

how is that complicated

[sullen lance]

u dont need

[oblique hatch]

wait a minute its reasonable to play a single routine for 30 minutes? I thought you should only play them for 3-4 runs max until you get diminishing returns?

[sullen lance]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-goku-gif-5183679

breathe.

[regal stag]

mayhbe i'm just dense i don't know

[keen cloud]

whats important:

• train consistently
• on developmentally appropriate materials
• with good technique

thats it

[drifting dock]

diminishing returns are still returns

[sullen lance]

yes

[regal stag]

this stuff makes me f eel really stupid

[sullen lance]

pls

LISTEN TO BEN

[agile lily]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/899764364498837504/1467135362022379581/ezgif-20b6f40f0a822d98.gif

[drifting dock]

u are overcomplicating and overthinking

[pine wolf]

300 hours?

[regal stag]

i think i'll just at least get through all the becnhmark today then i'll trty breaking it up tomorrow

[drifting dock]

did u make that burger

[potent berry]

Guys should I get apple pie tomorrow? Will carb loading help

[sullen lance]

@regal stag you can grind what you feel like grinding in the bench. whenever you feel like grinding it.

[potent berry]

#noobQuestion

[bold dock]

FINALLY MAN SHIT

[sullen lance]

you can grind your weaknesses when youre unsure of what to grind @regal stag

[west remnant]

Break it up by categories
There's like
4 or 5
One category per day

If you really want to break it up

[drifting dock]

shouldn't u be avoiding carbs b4 aim training or playing

[sullen lance]

hed literally benefit from just showing up

[west remnant]

And have a routine

[sullen lance]

and picking something

[drifting dock]

Good shit bro

[sullen lance]

and working on it

[drifting dock]

Wasn't that hard right?

[west remnant]

Fr

[regal stag]

i still didn't really do it on my own i waited till morning to make it so my mom could help watch

[potent berry]

idk im gonna see how apple pie helps

[drifting dock]

yall don't know how much this means

5 of us spent an hour yesterday trying to tell this guy to go make his damn burger

[sullen lance]

no

eat your macros

all of em

[regal stag]

i would have done the "check the juice color" part completely wrong

[sullen lance]

fats protein and carbs

[regal stag]

couldn't get it on the spatula to tell the color

[sullen lance]

dont cope or starve yourself to improve

just show up

and try to play with intent to improve

vod review when stuck

analyze and compare your gameplay to better players

[bold dock]

6 indigos down

[sullen lance]

nice!

[bold dock]

these benches are really good for improvement im ngl im impressed by them

[west remnant]

You can just grab a knife and cut it a bit? Juice colors can be deceiving, you want to check the actual meat color

[sullen lance]

yeah i like em alot

i think viscose picked great scenarios overall

[bold dock]

this got be back into benchmark grinding so thats fun

i thought that died with vt

[sullen lance]

even if you hit peak rank or something in the benches i think even pushing higher than like fuschia on some is really beneficial

[drifting dock]

can't wait till I can get viscose bench role in this server

[sullen lance]

that idea of

[regal stag]

deceiving how so?

[sullen lance]

"what is it thats holding me back from getting a higher score on this task"

is so valuable

for the viscose benches

[bold dock]

truthing

[drifting dock]

real

[sullen lance]

on all categories

[regal stag]

nothing too inteesting i think

[keen cloud]

gamers give me energy

[bold dock]

i just wanna know im capable of improving to a gm level thats all i really care for

[keen cloud]

i can break this pb i know i

[bold dock]

https://tenor.com/view/genki-dama-spirit-bomb-goku-gif-12526925

[drifting dock]

I fw the color scheme u got

[sullen lance]

you can do it!!!

[keen cloud]

the default S5 bench theme? 😭

[sullen lance]

@keen cloud can i add you 🥺🙏

[drifting dock]

What

[west remnant]

Ground meats, most likely beef in this case, should be cooked through
You don't want pink
The outside of meat can look cooked through but the inside can still be pink
Which is generally not super safe to consume, unless you were the one to prepare it completely yourself

[drifting dock]

I mean it's nice colors

[west remnant]

With steaks and other actual meat cuts, it's safe to consume when pink or rare, but ground meats can be exposed to bacterias when being ground up

[sullen lance]

tru

[rose night]

evil scen

[bold dock]

sure bro whatever

[regal stag]

yes but like, doesn't color in the juice mean blood is present?
blood means less cooked

[sullen lance]

very true, also, the reason why steaks can be eaten that way is because the way the beef is structured, bacteria cant get deep inside the tissue, unlike chicken and pork

so if you had a steak, and ground it up while raw, it is unsafe to consume while undercooked as the outer layer has now been mixed into the center

[keen cloud]

nah

its a good scenario

[rose night]

its evil though

[drifting dock]

joeyts when

[sullen lance]

no, red meat doesnt have "blood in it" its something called hemoglobin, a protein.

[west remnant]

Erm
Kinda? Juice colors can be dependent on things like seasoning or sauces
And a lot of ground meat juices turn a brown color when cooked but it doesn't mean it's cooked through all the way

[sullen lance]

the blood is drained

[regal stag]

then my mom had lied

[west remnant]

Yes this

[drifting dock]

professor jarly

[sullen lance]

or shes just unaware

[regal stag]

anyway
how the hell my score get lower 😭

[sullen lance]

thats all

not necessarily lying

[rose night]

myoglobin u mean

[drifting dock]

wtv goblin

[sullen lance]

yes!

sorry

[west remnant]

No it looks similar and is often mistaken for it
You still don't want to consume it all the time but it's not entirely bad for you, iirc
Just in the case of ground meats and chicken

[sullen lance]

it is myoglobin

[potent berry]

my og lobin

[sullen lance]

i always get it mixed up

but youre right @rose night

just mixed the words up

[pine wolf]

hemoglobin carries the o2 rgth

[potent berry]

what elo did hemoglobin carry o2 gth

[pine wolf]

definitely celestial

[drifting dock]

nah I think stellaris

[sullen lance]

hemoglobin transports oxygen throughout the body via red blood cells, while myoglobin stores oxygen specifically within muscle tissues

[drifting dock]

lwk

[sullen lance]

they both support oxygen

heme is the blood one

myo is muscle

[dim gale]

Vt gen biology lessons

Uhh

Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

[regal stag]

not getting many good scores but i'm gonna keep going

i only have 50 minutes to complete this tonight

[sullen lance]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pikachu-clap-clapping-clapping-gif-gif-13465728489229726846

[keen cloud]

i threw

i was ahead of pace

[sullen lance]

dont give up

[west remnant]

Anyways @regal stag with ground meat specifically, it's safest to actually check the inside of the meat when cooking when you can until you've gotten the hang of it
Or an internal temperature with a food thermometer
Same with chicken