general

[worldly kindle]

and the other side of this is saying val gamesense is harder cuz theres more different types of util

[sonic lodge]

cs2 you need to use your util well otherwise its useless

[worldly kindle]

thats what i mean when i say theres nuances and its all ultimately based on perception of difficulty

[placid wave]

you can play your util/ability slop cs clone

nothing wrong with it

[worldly kindle]

difficulty is a subjective measure there is no way to be objective

[keen finch]

Whats wrong with macro pablo

[full escarp]

Back in my days it wasn’t this ability intensive…

[keen finch]

Adaptation is skill

[sonic lodge]

like when i play inferno with friends, we throw a flash or two up banana while sitting back so the enemy team nade dumps and then its easier for us to push up

[elder lichen]

yeah but that captures only maybe 40% of the abilities tho

[fallen hatch]

i meant to say i find valorant clunkier because of the slowness, its very different

[full escarp]

Oh yea i find it clunkier too

[worldly kindle]

and thats what i mean when i say theres nuance and everything is multifaceted

[full escarp]

I hate valo movement

[worldly kindle]

u can literally give endless arguments for either side

hence its subjectivity

[elder lichen]

I never argued that theres no nuance

[full escarp]

BUT VALVE REMOVED 128 TICK FROM FACEIT

[serene field]

which is why this happens every week

[full escarp]

so valorant it is

[worldly kindle]

yep. pointless argument

[serene field]

this place exists for random people to argue pointlessly

[fallen hatch]

i think valorant atleast has an anticheat so thats good

[placid wave]

Mechanics and gamesense are different things

[keen finch]

Is that a bad thing

[serene field]

no

[full escarp]

An anticheat and very dedicated ppl on anticheat team

Very nice

[worldly kindle]

just gotta accept that there is no inherently more difficult game

[fiery onyx]

not really

that's lack of nuanced thinking

[serene field]

nooooooooooooo.............

[keen finch]

Developing consistent mechanics in different situations is a skill and to optimize different situations requires adaptation

Which is mechanical

Sicks seven

[worldly kindle]

just adopt my stance. cs and val are equally difficult. but val is a horseshit spiritually israeli game. and cs is the greatest esport of all time

[full escarp]

minigod ❌
mininoob

[sonic lodge]

maybe its just the lower ranks on prem, but i dont actually really run into many cheaters

[placid wave]

They go in tandem but they are separate things

[royal sluice]

league better

[worldly kindle]

this guy is funny

[royal sluice]

cs doesn't have faker

[keen finch]

Ur a loser

[full escarp]

@fiery onyx queue faceit with me in 7 months if ur EU

[keen finch]

Sorry

[royal sluice]

6 time world champion

[keen finch]

That was mean and odd

[serene field]

https://tenor.com/view/tish-bri-gif-8989407742432775903

[full escarp]

I carry

[placid wave]

Ez dota bro

[royal sluice]

greatest esports player of all time

[full escarp]

I probably will not carry

[placid wave]

Low elo

[full escarp]

But I carry

[sonic lodge]

@elder lichen i also found it much harder to learn callouts on cs than on valo since there is a callout for basically everything

[elder lichen]

i dont mind that tbh

[keen finch]

U dont know about prime serral

[full escarp]

League would be better IF I COULD GET OUT OF IRON 4 😭 😭

[keen finch]

Thats okay tho

[full escarp]

Tf2 has b4nny

🔥 🔥

[elder lichen]

my biggest issue is actually that someone in here literally had an opinion while never having played the game

really

[keen finch]

Its your fault for putting weight onto that opinion

[serene field]

thats like 90% of people

[keen finch]

Everyone has an opinion

[sonic lodge]

if u mean bro i have more hours on valorant than cs

[keen finch]

I think that skateboarding is worse than ice skating

[elder lichen]

idk still stupid

[worldly kindle]

cs as an esport anybody can just watch and generally understand whats happening. its simple, yet incredibly nuanced which is why its thrived for three decades. val is just overwhelming and i wouldnt be surprised if it "dies" the same way overwatch did

[supple summit]

and now rando trainers are here.
just need to add structures atp

[elder lichen]

well im clearly not talking to you then

[fallen hatch]

there might be more utility on valorant but you can just press the key to build a wall and don't need to line up a nade throw, flashes curve around corners and stuff.
could make an argument if its more or less tactical

[serene field]

the wall is thinking of a rebuttal right now

[sonic lodge]

hey, just saying

[elder lichen]

you have sova that has also line ups you need to throw

[full escarp]

I hope valorant doesnt die IVE INVESTED TOO MUCH

[fallen hatch]

could also make an argument which has a higher skill floor and more bullshit to learn

[full escarp]

imo valo has higher skill floor

[sonic lodge]

but that only applies to sova players no?

[placid wave]

Devs and players think util and abilities make a game harder when all it does is make it mechanically easier

[sonic lodge]

everyone in cs gotta know lineups

[full escarp]

Im 1k rr peak and i still have a fuck ton to learn

💀

Shit game

[elder lichen]

you know by just saying "bullshit" and like saying the terrible util and how useless it is, doesnt make the utility any less to learn

like you still need to learn it to play on a high level

[full escarp]

icl it depends on who you ask

And depends on elo

Up to 3k faceit elo u can literally just not know lineups anymore

[elder lichen]

a lot of agents have lineups

[elder lichen]

not the devs

again

the devs

have no power over what goes into the game

??

[full escarp]

How does util make valorant mechanically easier

[sonic lodge]

you have a point, but if you know lineups, you have an advantage in game because you know what the result of ur util will be everytime

[full escarp]

I don’t understand

[fallen hatch]

well im giving the nuanced take you asked someone for, i obviously don't think anything specifically is bullshit its just phrasing for the amount of base things you need to play the game for both

[worldly kindle]

ik i was talking about no such thing as objectivity blah blah. but cs has OBJECTIVELY a better community than valorant

[full escarp]

Ye ofc

[daring topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-mina-gif-17651238930892623622

[worldly kindle]

racist russians vs edating pedophiles

[full escarp]

Idk i love cs

[worldly kindle]

im taking the former any day

[full escarp]

Yo 😭

Ur not wrong doe.

[elder lichen]

I do agree with taht

[fallen hatch]

you could make atleast a few arguments either way

[elder lichen]

but not bcs of this

edaters are quite rare

tbh

at least where I play

[sonic lodge]

very accurate

[worldly kindle]

bro

[elder lichen]

or well not even rare I dont see them

[full escarp]

The Russians arent even racist icl they mad chill

They just wont stop yapping if they find another Russian on the same team tho

[worldly kindle]

every time ive played val

ive had like

[elder lichen]

it might be an unrated / swiftplay thing

idk

[worldly kindle]

his sage and her jett in a game

once a session

[full escarp]

Def swiftplay thing

[elder lichen]

yeah no that doesnt happen to me

ever

[sonic lodge]

lowk the aussies on my server are very racist

😂

[elder lichen]

however even with them its not the worst

the community is omega cancer

[full escarp]

Thats fire ngl

[elder lichen]

bcs its the most insane ego inflation you will ever witness

[full escarp]

I love finding racist people in game

It’s refreshing

[sonic lodge]

i swear every game has someone smoking in the middle of the game

[worldly kindle]

i swear i see some new drama on twitter with the val community very other week

[elder lichen]

people thinking they are like a better human

[unkempt fulcrum]

They are on every game

[elder lichen]

bcs they peaked diamond

[full escarp]

Do u wanna see smth

[worldly kindle]

always some new edater val drama every month

[unkempt fulcrum]

Yk who surprisingly racist

Canadians

[worldly kindle]

me

oh

[sonic lodge]

so much for multiculturalism

[full escarp]

https://girlcockx.com/i/status/2007618315175506412

angelic (@GumiFPS)

self proclaimed "professional" orgs & players when any minor inconvenience happens...

Quoting VENOM (@protocol_VENOM)
︀
One of the most impolite and disrespectful orgs we’ve ever played official match / scrimmed against.
︀︀One of their players trying to knife our girls the whole game and now this post
︀︀👏👏👏

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[serene field]

ok

[full escarp]

Low Valorant gc always has random drama happening and its always meaningless

Its kinda funny

[worldly kindle]

malibu @crisp sparrow

[serene field]

prime spaz

[unkempt fulcrum]

Interesting link

[worldly kindle]

prime WHO @crisp sparrow

[full escarp]

It’s funny asf

[worldly kindle]

fuglaa game changers

[full escarp]

Animates the video too

[lofty cradle]

Valorant is the harder game to play because I get bored of it quicker

[full escarp]

Real

[fallen hatch]

true

[unkempt fulcrum]

What is gc anyways on Val

[worldly kindle]

female pros

they be changing the game and shit

[unkempt fulcrum]

Oh

I see

[full escarp]

Not just female

Its

Anything that isnt male

Apparently

[fallen hatch]

close enough welcome back team siren

[full escarp]

team siren

[unkempt fulcrum]

They better watch out for me

[full escarp]

Oh wow are u gonna show us the chop chop video

[west shell]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-explode-dog-fire-dog-dog-fire-dog-explode-fire-gif-856717762916149374

fuck you embed

[unkempt fulcrum]

I do not know

What that Is

[visual bronze]

good morning y’all

[viscid dirge]

lol embed fail

#noobdown

[worldly kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-son-gohan-gohan-son-ultimate-gohan-chadhan-gif-7625508867855665575

[west shell]

you're following me

[elder lichen]

tf are you doing here

[west shell]

stop following me

[unkempt fulcrum]

I jus slammed sum rolo ice cream

[west shell]

he's following me i've been saying this

[viscid dirge]

im literally here bc of u bro

[elder lichen]

arent u a rawinput general person

[elder lichen]

oh.

[west shell]

SAME LMAOOO

[elder lichen]

oh.

[viscid dirge]

LOL

ye

[elder lichen]

2 discord colliding

[west shell]

wanted to see what the shit housery was about aga

[elder lichen]

this can only go bad

[viscid dirge]

im always following u salzi....

[elder lichen]

WHAT

[viscid dirge]

we connected......

[elder lichen]

erm,.

[viscid dirge]

its ok u dont gotta tell anyone else

[lofty cradle]

But the reality is that cs2 is much more complex, the mechanics are deeper, the maps are more complicated, utility is incredibly fucking hard (sometimes even to a crazy degree). And with CS2 you can’t even do a perfect counter-strafe, unless you use SOCD. Aiming in cs2 also requires much more different techniques than csgo/valorant do.

Valorant is a simplified version of cs, so the focus is much more on simple aiming. I’d say for me it would be more difficult to do well in valorant, where it’s more about hitting one shot really well, than doing 10 different things perfectly.

Basically, CS2 is more complicated and difficult than it even really needs to be. I find that very entertaining and engaging, since I can spend months grinding with a team and then I just watch pro team play a map and realize there is a whole another level to it.

[viscid dirge]

it can be our little secret

[elder lichen]

oki

[west shell]

and i will be taking my leave on that note

[visual bronze]

anyway

Matty is talent. And i don't think im wrong. Who can win the aimlab and say its not. Im sorry i cant say other thing.

been a minute

[unkempt fulcrum]

Val is noob version of cs

[lofty cradle]

Dota2 is the best game of all time tho, so make no mistake about that

[unkempt fulcrum]

Nooooooooo

It’s Fortnite

[visual bronze]

it’s cs 1.6 hide and seek

[unkempt fulcrum]

CSS

Surf/bhop/kz

[elder lichen]

this has to be a copypasta

[next copper]

Morning @sacred marsh @idle kelp @stuck drum

[idle kelp]

morning @next copper

[visual bronze]

he summoned his gang

[serene field]

DNI

[lofty cradle]

I did enjoy valorant back in season one, and I do come back to it time to time. I just think the maps are ass and the whole design of the game puts me off

[visual bronze]

i hate like most new maps since fracture

[unkempt fulcrum]

ok but

[visual bronze]

only sunset is somewhat okay

[unkempt fulcrum]

Have u ever played valorant with ur life on the line (breach prior nerf in beta)

[peak estuary]

every val map post breeze v1 is bad

[lofty cradle]

Oh you were just a ragebaiter nevermind

Back to ignoring fans of simpler games

[elder lichen]

AHAHAHAAH

[peak estuary]

so good that it has to be kept alive by saudi oilprinces

[elder lichen]

WHAT

[half crow]

I played valorant beta a lot

Feels like the game got worse with every new agent

[lofty cradle]

Dota2 literally requires hundreds of hours of suffering just to be able to enjoy it

[unkempt fulcrum]

Cycle of adding new agents that are busted

[rose night]

wouldnt all the abilities make val harder

[peak estuary]

sounds like you want to play pyandons in factorio

[elder lichen]

dont do it joey

[peak estuary]

2k hour modpack

[elder lichen]

its a waste of time

[half crow]

I should try valorant again

[worldly kindle]

no kevin no

[rose night]

i love wastes of time

[unkempt fulcrum]

Play a real game

[lofty cradle]

Val abilities are just different versions of util and some movement tech, like, that’s just a different version of cs, not necessarily more or less difficult

[rose night]

actually i love wasting time

[unkempt fulcrum]

Like fortnite

[half crow]

What if I like it

[worldly kindle]

i know u wont

[rose night]

wouldnt the movement tech make things harder tho

[placid wave]

you don't need to shoot for a kill

[half crow]

I'd like it until I get back to a rank where I have to use my brain and then id uninstall

[viscid dirge]

morning @next copper @idle kelp

[elder lichen]

immortal 3 400rr

[lofty cradle]

Players moving in cs2 is harder than most valorant moving abilities

[elder lichen]

have you played val at least?

[tacit trout]

hi

[lofty cradle]

Val has the same thing as csgo where the characters move on railroad tracks

[placid wave]

healing and reviving is another thing that makes valo easier and more boring

[lofty cradle]

And the characters are slower than cs

[elder lichen]

dude

you played like what

20 hours

??

[placid wave]

yes bro

[brave leaf]

yeah reading that sentence just killed my brain

[placid wave]

high elo

[elder lichen]

oh no

AHAHHAHA

LMFAO

[peak estuary]

i think rezs are a bad mechanic

[viscid dirge]

is this jokes
isnt breeze specifically like an awful map on val bc its all giga long sight lines but that game has fucking random bullet spread past 15/30meters

[placid wave]

i quit before it took any more of my time

high elo

[half crow]

I feel like in val when you hit a one tap it's just like yeah thats what youre supposed to do but in cs it actually feels satisfying

[lofty cradle]

I think healing makes a game like TF2 boring to me, definitely not valorant lmao

[unkempt fulcrum]

Wha is high elo to u

[peak estuary]

plat

actually

diamond 3

[fallen hatch]

https://youtu.be/FxlyAiZUvzY
dropping this in the middle of a mechanics discussion

[peak estuary]

thats top10%

[placid wave]

silver

[peak estuary]

[unkempt fulcrum]

running it down in silver

I see u goat

[elder lichen]

again have you at least played val before?

[viscid dirge]

yo are you the pablo minecraft 2011 apex guy on twitter

[worldly kindle]

tldr takeaway u should have for this stupid pointless debate: no game is inherently harder than the other as they are all nuanced in different ways. but val is a dogshit game and cs isthe greatest esport of all time

[viscid dirge]

fire emoji

[worldly kindle]

there we go case closed

[viscid dirge]

i liked the vid

[serene field]

except the game i like its way harder than yours

[half crow]

Wow this is actually true

[unkempt fulcrum]

Thus val sucks

[placid wave]

yes bro the roller ape fighter

[brave leaf]

imo cs is much harder to aim in than valorant

if that was the discussion

[lofty cradle]

I was 1 win away from immortal in season 1 of valorant and just quit due to boredom

[elder lichen]

part of it

[elder lichen]

I agreed with this

[rose night]

hey id argue that street fighter 3 is the greatest esport of all time

[peak estuary]

people move slower in val

anyways

[elder lichen]

imo the util and gamesense is harder in val tho

[half crow]

Nobody thinks val isnt easier to aim in

[peak estuary]

lets get on a kz server

[lofty cradle]

Movement in cs2 is fucked tho, the devs made it a bit easier, but it’s still needlessly difficult

[unkempt fulcrum]

Have u ever been Ferrari peaked in cs

[brave leaf]

valorant has an absurd amount of knowledge required to perform

[elder lichen]

dont do it bardoz

I already tried

[viscid dirge]

LOL

[peak estuary]

180ms russian turbo sprinting

[placid wave]

yes bro you need a notebook to understand the util

[brave leaf]

I can play CS after years and always get high level immediately, I can pick the game back up no problem

VALORANT on the other hand, I'd need to invest a lot

[elder lichen]

YOU DONT PLAY THE GAME

OMG

[brave leaf]

because of how much you have to learn to have decent gamesense

[placid wave]

but then again you could get spammed by every ult and die

[brave leaf]

that makes it harder to play

[unkempt fulcrum]

ya but how many hours do u have on cs

[peak estuary]

waylay ult should just oneshot me

its so aids to be hit by

[unkempt fulcrum]

didn’t u say u been playing it since source

[brave leaf]

yes

but I also played VALORANT since beta and went pro in it

so I am familiar with both

[placid wave]

yeah true

[lofty cradle]

I think the maps have more forced playstyles in Val for sure. So if you do what is not intended, you just suffer. Meanwhile in CS2, because a lot of the maps are very dynamic, doing things ”wrong” can actually be a good thing

[rose night]

ngl i like source

[unkempt fulcrum]

ya but how many hours do u have in val

Versus csgo

[brave leaf]

idk but what point are you trying to make?

[viscid dirge]

that clip of the roller player screaming the 3 magic words is so fuckin funny

[peak estuary]

get on surf boy

[half crow]

The thing with val is you can have 5000 hours in season 1 and then play today and have no clue what half the shit on your screen even does

[visual bronze]

ain't no way cs2 vs valorant difficulty is a conversation rn

[brave leaf]

exactly

[half crow]

Same as OW

[peak estuary]

meh

[lofty cradle]

But there are maps like overpass, nuke, train, where you just lose to util if your opponent knows the map and you don’t

[placid wave]

the newest montage ?

[peak estuary]

ow felt easy to get into again

[unkempt fulcrum]

im jus saying u can return and be a goat at cs because of the hours mainly

or experience

[brave leaf]

no

it's because of the type of game it is

I mean, yes

[half crow]

Some might call that artificial difficulty tho

[brave leaf]

ofc it's thanks to the hours

[viscid dirge]

whichever one was pinned

[serene field]

it hasnt changed in 10 years either you dont have to learn a new exec

[brave leaf]

but it isn't the hours that's preventing me from doing the same in valorant

[elder lichen]

cs doesnt change nearly as much as valorant does

[brave leaf]

exactly

[placid wave]

oh that one that im so proud of i peaked there

[unkempt fulcrum]

I get it’s new agents and new maps and what not tho

[visual bronze]

yes it does, "look guys new AK sounds"

[brave leaf]

the issue is that valorant inherently has a ton more cognitive load required to be played

[elder lichen]

if you dont play val for a while you need to learn 4 new agents with 4 new abilities each

[peak estuary]

they should nuke nade momentum just for the fun of it

[placid wave]

just the montage not the aim or clips

[unkempt fulcrum]

Crazy work

[placid wave]

but the idea of that montage was very good in my opinion

[elder lichen]

I mean

its not a bad thing

only bcs cs is starved of updates

or innovation

[half crow]

Good sports dont change rulesets often because the core game is good enough not to need it

[lofty cradle]

I hope they make more dynamic maps in Valorant, like mirage/cache/d2 in cs, so you don’t have to literally do the same thing every time as the most efficient play

[brave leaf]

you need to know something in the order of (n_characters*n_abilities*n_maps)

[elder lichen]

yeah

the complexity by the sheer amount of abilities makes it harder

[brave leaf]

you need to know ALL of the visual and sound cues of all of them

[unkempt fulcrum]

Can’t speak on val mostly I only played beta

[peak estuary]

[elder lichen]

or increases the workload

[brave leaf]

plus maps actually have gimmicks in VAL instead of just the geometry

[placid wave]

yes and all of them will be op and have util that kills you in stupid ways but if you get dicked long enough you will know and remember what to do you will understand the recipe book

[peak estuary]

i will just play with sound off

[elder lichen]

again

you dont even play the game

[brave leaf]

so I could have 20000hrs in VAL, take a break for 1yr, and still struggle to get back into it

[elder lichen]

nor have hours on it

[viscid dirge]

did u manually get the clips or do u use something like ReactClips software on overwolf

[brave leaf]

and yet, CS is harder to aim in

[rose night]

im in bed

[peak estuary]

ur fake

[placid wave]

some were stream some were obs clipping

[rose night]

bardoz were u good at cs when u first playef

[elder lichen]

yeah I agree cs is mnuch more precise when it comes to timings in terms of input

[half crow]

Which is why cs is more fun at the end of the day

[brave leaf]

no

[half crow]

For me at least

[rose night]

cause ik this isnt related but i was thinking of getting into fighting games

[placid wave]

i cant use nvidia clipping shit because it doesn't like my amp/dac

[lofty cradle]

I think one of the things that made me not invest further in valorant was that if you want to play some agents, you actually have to learn lineups just for that agent

[placid wave]

and always breaks

[peak estuary]

its bad anyways

[rose night]

and i was gonna start at playing online for em

[half crow]

Let's get into 2xko

[placid wave]

and other clipping software is so cancer

[brave leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoXGgxlahuE

[half crow]

Valorant ass fighting game

[lofty cradle]

Like, it’s a character based game, but you should never play sova if you don’t learn lineups

[rose night]

i was thinking more like third strike

[peak estuary]

almost the same age as joey

[half crow]

What year is it

[visual bronze]

EIGHTEEN years ago

[peak estuary]

🥀

[visual bronze]

yalla

[brave leaf]

this was my fourth day of gameplay (or so I say in the first BEAUTIFUL animation)

[unkempt fulcrum]

Rip bro fps

[placid wave]

that the only good option is OBS but you need to remember to press a button after getting the clip but after getting it im not thinking shit i need to clip that

[worldly kindle]

id argue melee is the greatest fgc game oat

[rose night]

1999 i think

[elder lichen]

but doesnt that simply confirm that theres more complexity to the game?

[worldly kindle]

but sf2 has an argument too

[placid wave]

im thinking what i need to do now

[west shell]

im one year older than that video bro 💔

almost got age gapped by a file

[half crow]

I wish it was 1999

[elder lichen]

and if not then the argument of cs liuneups is equally as invalid

[rose night]

depends on which one

plus sf2 had a shit on of jank

[elder lichen]

at least in that regard

[fallen hatch]

melee isn't really a traditional fighting game

[lofty cradle]

Maybe it’s my igl brain, but other than lineups, it’s always very easy for me to understand what’s the most efficient tactic in most valorant maps

[half crow]

When all I worried about was pokemon and all if you weren't even born yet

[rose night]

sf2 vega i heard was like hell to fight against

[half crow]

[viscid dirge]

oh yea im using obs now, im jus trying to figure out how to get the streamer reactions

(without using overwolf spyware/bloatware)

[rose night]

with the mixups from his walljumps

[errant prawn]

how do i enter valorant kovaaks benchmark in the page with ranks? (bronze, immortal, etc)

[rose night]

but i see why u say melee

[brave leaf]

how can you do that without learning all of the new agents that have been added since you stopped playing, and their abilities, and the updates to the abilities of existing agents? that's the problem

it isn't just about lineups

[lofty cradle]

There is complexity to valorant, especially with different agents. But that doesn’t translate between agents

[brave leaf]

it's that you need to LEARN things

[placid wave]

bro most streamers play streamer mode as well shits so cringe only way to know is to kill them and get killed by them and remember the skin and pred rank really

[brave leaf]

that you can't intuit

[lofty cradle]

Meanwhile in cs2 I can just play a different role every round if I aanted to

[placid wave]

even no name streamers play streamer mode for some reason

[viscid dirge]

@placid wave but ill watch your other comps, i just remember seeing the pinned specifically and absolutely dying laughing at the controller player SCREAMING the 3 magic words

[lofty cradle]

Playing vs new agents isn’t that complicated, playing them is

[placid wave]

in apex everyone is too egotistical and pussy to get clipped

[tiny ledge]

alot of ppl get toxic and come in your chat and say some unhinged crap when they die to you

[unique spindle]

RAAAAHHHHH

[brave leaf]

I might have a video older than this on my yt... of when my main game was gta:sa multiplayer (sa:mp, a mod to play mp in gta sa)

[worldly kindle]

i dont think just cuz there more differences and more variations in content necessarily means the gamesense of it or whatever is inherently more difficult than cs

[unique spindle]

Oh hey its bardOZ hallo!!!

[worldly kindle]

its more nuanced than that is what im saying

[placid wave]

i love that shit bro

[placid wave]

thats so funny to me

[brave leaf]

I didn't say it's more difficult if you check my messages

[worldly kindle]

oh

[brave leaf]

difficult is a word whose semantics are just too vague

I'd avoid using it for smth like this

[worldly kindle]

thats what im saying

[placid wave]

if i shit on someone that it makes them say i should game end myself or say slurs

its like pure Victory

[half crow]

Part of it is once you do understand the abilities you can kinda predict the enemy teams entire playbook based on their comp

[placid wave]

pure bliss i love it

[worldly kindle]

ive been saying difficulty is an inherently subjective thing

[unique spindle]

ong

[elder lichen]

yeah ig thats on me then

[fiery onyx]

is samp still alive?

[viscid dirge]

do you mean on the voltaic .app website? you can change it at the top of the scoresheet by clicking on where it says kovaaks/aimlabs/valorant benches

[brave leaf]

I doubt it

[worldly kindle]

and its pointless to compare the difficulty of the two

[fiery onyx]

ive only seen some mta clips on my youtube recently

[elder lichen]

maybe complexity is a better word then

[half crow]

CS has more strategic flexibility

[fallen hatch]

people still cbug

[lofty cradle]

The knowledge barrier in valorant is quite high for sure

[lofty cradle]

Yes

[fallen hatch]

samp is alive

[errant prawn]

ty

[viscid dirge]

best feeling in the world^

[naive crag]

Tracking is fast flicking?

[placid wave]

i play comp as well i was in PL

[serene field]

Corvo comin in with the real questions

[unique spindle]

Is that pfp you? If so your hair is sick

[placid wave]

mnk player fighting those soft aiming rollers

[lofty cradle]

Design of valorant is such a way that a lot of the maps have an objective most efficient way to play them. That just doesn’t exist in cs

[placid wave]

literally man vs machine

[elder lichen]

Thank you

that is me

[brave leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vw0yXfdrTU&feature=youtu.be here, the oldest video on my yt channel

[fiery onyx]

private

[half crow]

Surely it takes more skill to come up with an original effective execute in a game with 5 abilities than one with 200

[viscid dirge]

this

[unique spindle]

np

[brave leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vw0yXfdrTU should work now

[rose night]

u ever play melee online

[fiery onyx]

actual vibes bro

[viscid dirge]

lmao

[worldly kindle]

there might (heavy emphasis on might) some like fucking computational optimized way to play a map, but its humans playing the maps not computers. and humans are subjective creatures

[fiery onyx]

i remember arena mode with monster trucks

sumo type of mode

really enjoyed playing this

[lofty cradle]

I’m starting team pracc in cs2 and it’s more about how you transition from one phase of the round to another, and not just about how to run the perfect execute

[worldly kindle]

i would stop usng objectivity as an argument cuz it holds no basis

[worldly kindle]

a lil bit

never was good at it

[brave leaf]

I can't believe how many "main games" I've had in my life

[half crow]

Ya but you know what I mean

[rose night]

reminds me of those super old tony hawk videos

[brave leaf]

and sa:mp in 2007 was already like my 10th "main game"

[serene field]

insightful as always joey

[errant prawn]

the valorant benchmarks arent showing up for me

[west shell]

i could think of 4 "main games" in my life 😭

[elder lichen]

its pretty hard these days to stay on one

[lofty cradle]

Sure, just that there exists a perfect way to play doesn’t mean that will ever happen

[half crow]

You know technically I am undefeated as igl in cs leagues

[placid wave]

SA:MP dayz went hard for low spec gamers

[elder lichen]

ive not even noticed how thats the case now

[half crow]

2-0

[placid wave]

it was so good

[brave leaf]

warrock, fly for fun, ragnarok online, god knows how many other games I played all before like 2010

I wonder how many hours I have total in videogames in my life

[west shell]

Very true, i have atleast 5 games in rotation currently not including aim trainers

[rose night]

bro i got a issue where i wanna be good at like a bunch of stuff but i only focus on 1

[brave leaf]

must be like 50k

maybe too much idk

[worldly kindle]

i main whichever singleplayer game im playing thru at the moment

[lofty cradle]

In CS2 pros mostly use the same util, but the way they get to that situation varies wildly and what happens after that is completely unique basically every time

[brave leaf]

or maybe more than 50k mmm idk

[half crow]

I main digimon story: time stranger

[brave leaf]

sadly I don't know the names of the first videogames I played and they are lost to history

I remember specifically what it looked like, at least one of the first I ever played

in MS-DOS

but I have tried finding it

and failed

[worldly kindle]

i currently main: watching ryuuqt die to black dragon kalameet 50 times

[half crow]

My first ever video game was Pokémon pinball

[half crow]

Are we playing the night reign dlc

[placid wave]

bro your name is weirdly familiar did you play apex ?

[worldly kindle]

i go back to school in a week

[elder lichen]

no

[worldly kindle]

idk if theres enough time to fonish it

[brave leaf]

indiana jones and the fate of atlantis was insane too

[rose night]

my first game i remember playing was tony hawks underground

on the gamecube

[brave leaf]

nostalgia hits hard

I wonder what age I actually was when I played this game

[rose night]

i had to have been like 5 or 6

[mighty idol]

can i be gonest with you

thats a thotty pfp

[lofty cradle]

I only started playing cs 18 years ago

[fallen hatch]

still the best

[mighty idol]

sebastian

[visual bronze]

yeah personally i also never lost to Magnus Carlsen in chess

[mighty idol]

wow

[placid wave]

maybe if just seen you on twitter

[brave leaf]

I remember I built a small website in html/css when I was 9 in 2003 or so and at that point my nickname was "cloudff7", so no ragnarok online by 2003, but I am not even sure it was out yet

[mighty idol]

Sebastian Michaelis

thotty

[brave leaf]

I might have played ragnarok online in 2004 maybe and got the nickname then

[half crow]

I won a whole 2 matches as igl and retired, I am the best

[brave leaf]

sebastian is sick

[mighty idol]

the fights were so sick

[lofty cradle]

Gz

[mighty idol]

when she pulled that sword out her throat

that was hot

and then a cool fight

[rose night]

bardoz you ever hear of a game called o2jam

[brave leaf]

shhhhh no spoilers i am watching it now for the first time

[visual bronze]

i pulled out my old hien for some scores

guys

[brave leaf]

nope

[visual bronze]

how do i unbend the edges 💀

[half crow]

Maybe warm water and a heavy book idk

[rose night]

ngl i miss games from back then

like happy wars

[fallen hatch]

just play them then

[rose night]

happy wars was my shit bro

[visual bronze]

i just miss being happy playing games

[serene field]

?

mics on bro

[placid wave]

when does age affect skill ?

[viscid dirge]

thats weird, either u need to link aimlabs or the leaderboard sheet might be down rn

[lofty cradle]

Ok as an old man I’m taking a nap now

[half crow]

Quit pvp games and aim trainers

[rose night]

when u dont wanna become good

[mighty idol]

oh shit my bad

[lofty cradle]

When you get kids and you can’t grind because you have to change diapers

[mighty idol]

uh

uh

[viscid dirge]

she played games with my heart

i was happy

[mighty idol]

tbh its not much spoiler

[viscid dirge]

ykwim

[rose night]

theyre all dead

[worldly kindle]

play real games

play singleplayer games

[fallen hatch]

private servers

[half crow]

Being in a later life stage affects game skill way more than any physical aging

[lofty cradle]

Definitely recommend board games and physical games as well

[rose night]

happy wars was so fun until they shut it down on xbox 360 in 2018

[lofty cradle]

And just being social

[next copper]

morning

[worldly kindle]

fr

pick up poker

[rose night]

what about blackjack

[worldly kindle]

better than any stupid ass video game you will play

[brave leaf]

OMG YESSSSSSSS I FOUND SOME OF THE PICS I THOUGHT I HAD LOST

[half crow]

Pick up powerlifting and guitar

[rose night]

blackjack fun

i love hitting on an 18

[worldly kindle]

blackjack is pve

[brave leaf]

I HAD NO PICS OF THIS MOUSEPAD

[worldly kindle]

poker is pvp

i like pvp

[lofty cradle]

I just started building my WH40k minis again

[brave leaf]

this was my third hard pad I think, aluminum or whatever metal it was made of

[worldly kindle]

is that a rival 100

[fallen hatch]

hard pads were awesome

[brave leaf]

this is the precursor to all steelseries mice

the steelseries sensei

[worldly kindle]

oh right

[brave leaf]

terrible mouse, but some nip players were using it

[worldly kindle]

forgot that was a thing

[brave leaf]

I think get right himself

so I had to get it back then

[worldly kindle]

my first ever gaming mouse was a rival 300

[brave leaf]

sadly it got stolen so I don't have it anymore

[rose night]

my first ever one was a logitech g300s

[visual bronze]

can u change names?

if so can u make mine just lex?

[rose night]

this thing

[worldly kindle]

they gotta bring back the g403

[brave leaf]

I don't remember wtf this pad was called, it was from razer I think

[lofty cradle]

I had the fucking 3 button creat1ve mouse

[errant quail]

[elder lichen]

that chair is goated

wtf

[rose night]

fr

[placid wave]

damn steelseries mouse back when they weren't awful

[fallen hatch]

that is a classic chair

[placid wave]

they fell off so hard

[west shell]

i alr know that chair was comfortable

[visual bronze]

lol

it do look nice

[lofty cradle]

Cant u do it by yourself by clicking your name and server profile

[visual bronze]

nope

[brave leaf]

nah it kinda sucked, the year after this pic was taken I bought a ergohuman v2 that is still being used daily by my wife today, like 12ys after, still brand new basically

I stopped using any chair with padding

[serene field]

thats not a destructor i dont think

[elder lichen]

its disabled here

[worldly kindle]

i know that chair accumulate hell ass sweat

[west shell]

was it for ergonomic reasons or?

[worldly kindle]

but was probably comfy

[lofty cradle]

Lol

[elder lichen]

idk why

tbh

[next copper]

ergohuman my beloved

life changer

[brave leaf]

they just would get destroyed in months, and the cushion would just get flattened

[next copper]

no more lower back pain

[worldly kindle]

this why i only buy mesh chairs now

[west shell]

oh yeah that's understandable

[worldly kindle]

every leather chair ive owned

while comfy

just gets destroyed after a little

[brave leaf]

bro WTF WAS THIS PADDDDDDDD I am PRETTY sure it was razer

[worldly kindle]

and is hella sweaty

[brave leaf]

it was definitely metal

[west shell]

i got a cheap Herman miller from FB marketplace so im set for a while :]

[brave leaf]

https://lanoc.org/review/input-devices/razer-ironclad

THERE we go

[rose night]

hard pads are tuff

[brave leaf]

razer ironclad

[west shell]

Actually a relic, interesting to see how peripherals evolved

[rose night]

i kinda wanted one for a bit

[brave leaf]

I have older pics with older metal pads

I was on hard pads for like 5ys

[rose night]

reminds me of how the old corsair logo used to look

[serene field]

did u have an og icemat

[limpid rapids]

There was also one similar called roccat alumic

[rose night]

and their old mice

[lofty cradle]

Probably just some shit like razer speed

[lofty cradle]

Wtf

[rose night]

corsair made the same mouse but updated the design a couple times

the m65

[brave pasture]

fr

[supple summit]

wat da helly is this

[rose night]

one of the most goated mice shapes

[brave leaf]

this one was a metal pad from steelseries I believe

[rose night]

i womder ehat those pc specs were

[brave leaf]

I don't remember what it was called

[west shell]

old youtube UI holy

[brave leaf]

logitech g9x (my second gaming mouse ever) + steelseries metal pad that would absolutely EAT into any mouse skates you'd use

[supple summit]

bro just needs osrs in web browser

[serene field]

steelseries sx

[brave leaf]

also I notice in this screenshot I had 4chan open

[mighty idol]

23 points off lavender makes me angry

[west shell]

opened Pandoras box

[mighty idol]

@viral path fuck you

[brave leaf]

at least I was on /v/

[west shell]

That's true could be worse

[supple summit]

nap
stayed up till midnight
tired
we're cooked

but im going to bed

[errant quail]

#scores

[rose night]

atleast you have proof of og status

[mighty idol]

shut up

[errant quail]

#no

[rose night]

play devts

[brave leaf]

this is actually pretty "late"

I got into 4chan in like 2008

I was also a fan of zyzz when he was alive and was pretty shocked when he died, I remember my irl classmates actually trying to cheer me up

[mighty idol]

need 2750 first

[lofty cradle]

Lmao

[brave leaf]

it's funny how every now and then zyzz becomes relevant slightly for a bit again and people discover he existed

[lofty cradle]

Real ones know

[worldly kindle]

i got into 4chan in like 2015

[visual bronze]

🥀

[worldly kindle]

i was hella late ig

[brave leaf]

there were so many theories that it was all a hoax etc. and people not believing chestbrah's pics at the funeral

just so weird

[mighty idol]

what sucks is people discovering him now arent understanding what his message was

[brave leaf]

I feel like I've lived 15 lives on the internet man I forget sometimes

[worldly kindle]

i always wonder what my life would be like if i hadnt been exposed to 4chan growing up

[lofty cradle]

I like how in 2007 everyone was complaining on 4chan how it was ruined by newfriends

[errant quail]

zyzz was my hero

[worldly kindle]

newWHAT

[brave leaf]

no one ever mentions that he was a super good pvp mage in wow either

[rose night]

if only they saw it now

[rose night]

he woulda gotten automodded

so fast

[lofty cradle]

Well let’s just say back in the day we used a different f word

[rose night]

nah they still use it

[lofty cradle]

But I don’t

[meager meteor]

isnt 4chan just slurs 😭

[nova trail]

i use it everyday

[west shell]

zyzz was so sick

[rose night]

yeah i wouldnt either

[rose night]

depends on where

[fallen hatch]

https://tenor.com/bSJqo.gif

[rose night]

but kinda yeah

[peak estuary]

they still use it

[worldly kindle]

bro they use slurs even on the woke boards

woke boards like /vt/

[meager meteor]

VOLTAIC

[lofty cradle]

It kinda made me understand how there is an endless supply of content on the internet

[meager meteor]

VOLTAIC IS WOKE

[rose night]

vtubers?

[worldly kindle]

yeah

[lofty cradle]

Just that I didn’t learn that maybe that’s not a good thing

[viscid dirge]

@hollow basalt bebop misses u and wants u to come home

[rose night]

wonder what they had to say about the ironmouse drama

if anything

[west shell]

im watching you.

[mighty idol]

@potent sand

[meager meteor]

mogged

[viscid dirge]

hot

[meager meteor]

what scen is that

[worldly kindle]

there was ironmouse drama? #unemployment

[brave leaf]

well 4chan in 2008 was basically the only place in the internet that was not just normies basically

[west shell]

alright dude what the flip

[brave leaf]

remember in 2008 memes didn't exist, for example, it's a word that basically originated there

[mighty idol]

Air Angelic 4 Voltaic Easy

[brave leaf]

it was the only place that would feel similar to modern internet

[peak estuary]

most of internet culture still stems from 4chan

[brave leaf]

apart from niche forums

[viscid dirge]

4chan pre-2016 was edgy but it wasnt like, a complete cesspit

[lofty cradle]

Well, the thing with black background and a caption is really old

[brave leaf]

so it had serious problems but it was also, yes, basically the heart of what became internet culture

and still is

[lofty cradle]

Like pre-internet

[viscid dirge]

and it was the only place that had similarities to the current internet

[rose night]

basically rakai and ray from amp came up to her and asked her what she looked like after she said they could ask anything after ray stopped himself and she later said she was visibly shaken and very uncomfortable in a video

[peak estuary]

like "slop" stems from 4chan completely

[viscid dirge]

basically 60% of all internet culture comes from 4ch

[rose night]

now normies are everywhere

[peak estuary]

i know.

[rose night]

prime example

[peak estuary]

the paranormal board is fun though

[meager meteor]

ughh these frickin normies!

[placid wave]

from old people it seems like it used to be peak and actually good

[languid garnet]

Cx

[rose night]

what about the advice board

[placid wave]

and some very old people still use it

[fallen hatch]

Cx

[placid wave]

like 30-40

[rose night]

i like visiting it every now and then

[worldly kindle]

bruh i ran into ice poseidon in korea

[meager meteor]

maybe 60-70?

[peak estuary]

idk

[peak estuary]

i only look at lit fit and x

[meager meteor]

my wrist hurts so bad 😢

[languid garnet]

No shot lmao he's a og

[viscid dirge]

newfriends 😊

[placid wave]

https://tenor.com/view/no-talk-to-the-hand-funny-animals-cats-stop-gif-12197520

[rose night]

i like looking at the animal board

can get alot of bird pictures from there

[placid wave]

how many hours did you aim train was it the full 12 ?

[worldly kindle]

he was streaming too

but this was like 2023

[peak estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/team-crow-good-morning-good-morning-cro-crown-animal-gif-16498647656930809335

[brave leaf]

lmao I had audi's as my ipad backgrounds for so long, then eventually stuck with a black audi rs3 for the longest time

[worldly kindle]

so well after he fell off

[brave leaf]

and then when I "made it" I had to buy a black rs3

[viscid dirge]

/fit/ is dead board where u go if u just want to hear the same opinions theyve been saying for the past 10 years

same with /mu/

[peak estuary]

yeah lol

[languid garnet]

Im still recovering from Cx coin 💀

[viscid dirge]

and /lit/ tbf

[placid wave]

4 chan and reddit are 2 platforms where if you're old and use them i think you used to be cool

[worldly kindle]

and /a/

[fallen hatch]

ice poseidon... i remember a youtuber closing doors with that name 🚬

[viscid dirge]

90% of it is just repeating bullshit and ragebaiting

[lofty cradle]

I think /b/ was mostly about the algorithm already. Boring and bad quality threads just died immediately

[rose night]

prob due to the influx of new people that csme from youtube videos

[meager meteor]

no just 4 but i went bouldering on saturday

[viscid dirge]

go to /lit/
top posts are some stupid hegel meme, something about religious esotericism that isnt esoteric at all, some ragebait rightwing author post to talk about politics

[placid wave]

remember when reaction content got you hate

bring that back

[rose night]

dont call them boulders bro!

[fallen hatch]

would be nice

[viscid dirge]

jinx reacts

[brave leaf]

this autoexec from cs:s last modified 2011 is definitely very useful to keep in my hard disk still connected to my pc

[placid wave]

streamers posting full vods of just watching other peoples content

and collecting ad revenue off of it

[viscid dirge]

to be fair tho the earliest reaction content was REALLY bad

[placid wave]

genuinely disgusting

[viscid dirge]

like he straight up did fucking NOTHING

[lofty cradle]

So the same it has always been

[worldly kindle]

i larp as an older internet user but in reality im 21 years old

[rose night]

yk who was good tho early on?

angry video game nerd

[viscid dirge]

yea 4ch has been stuck in the same loops for 10 years while its slowly died

[placid wave]

jinxreloaded was better than xqc or ludwig

[viscid dirge]

everything interesting and dynamic happens in other places now

[fallen hatch]

its the people that watch it and decide to donate too

[rose night]

what about flight

[worldly kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-reacts-dutt-dutt-pack-weed-gif-3659365446638153989

[placid wave]

or any modern streamer that uploads stream react slop to youtube

[worldly kindle]

flight is unironically hilarious

[rose night]

flight is actually so funny

[rose night]

have you heard his mic from the other pov

[worldly kindle]

nah his mic was mutted

[lofty cradle]

Ppl said 4chan was dying in 2008 bro

[placid wave]

he is funny but his reaction content is ass

[viscid dirge]

they were wrong then

doesnt mean it isnt dying now

its not dead

[placid wave]

for the % of slop and good clips or content just doesn't match

[viscid dirge]

its just not what it used to be

[worldly kindle]

flight is hilarious cuz theres ppl out there that genuinely believe he isnt playing a character to an extent

[peak estuary]

all streamers do

[lofty cradle]

Like, it’s dead for me, and I don’t think a platform that gets mogged by something like Reddit really needs to exist

[viscid dirge]

"bro this dude in the video had the same reaction"

[brave leaf]

screenshot from 2008, the start of the end for my social life (kidding, I always played fps way more than I played mmo's, even tho I am sure I have thousands of hours in wow)

[rose night]

him blowing into his mic was funny as shit

[lofty cradle]

U know xfire? I think it used to take a screenshot on my pc every minute or something

[rose night]

dude won an award at the streamer award congratulated himself for winning it 😭

[lofty cradle]

I probably still have that folder somewhere on my hard drives

[placid wave]

msn damn i remember my older brother using it

was it like old people discord

[brave leaf]

seems like my GPU was not doing great in 2009

[rose night]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_LamSX45Aq8?si=aCDwfWHKtfFd5uQt

[brave leaf]

yes, it was also the only way to keep track of your game hours for the longest time

[lofty cradle]

It was msn->skype-> discord basically

[brave leaf]

it was a great piece of software really for the time, it was basically discord before its time

msn was sick too

[lofty cradle]

Old people never used messenger

I used to be webcamming with british girls when I was like 12

And I still know one of the girls lmfao

[placid wave]

weird how they made msn which was good then came skype which was better and they just killed skype

like ruined it

[worldly kindle]

him selling boof weed carts to his audience of children is a lil sketchy tho

icl

[brave leaf]

yeah I used to use all of the like web webcamming as a group webapps that existed basically

omegle/chatroulette before they became mainstream

[lofty cradle]

I feel like skype was better than messenger in some ways but I can’t prove it

Oh and before messenger there was IRC

[rose night]

fair

[worldly kindle]

bruh ppl were making fun of me for having my skype connected to discord back in the day so i unlinked it

[west shell]

must be such a cool experience to look back on these, the furthest i'll be able to look back is snapchat memories 😭

[worldly kindle]

rare account

[brave leaf]

I think one of the apps open in the bottom right tray is xfire in this screenshot actually

[worldly kindle]

well back when my old account wasnt banned 🥀

[placid wave]

skype was one of the only flexes estonia had back then

national pride

[lofty cradle]

Discord used to be a piece of garbage

[placid wave]

now its dead

[rose night]

i miss when windows looked like that

[lofty cradle]

It’s still kinda is

[worldly kindle]

bro discord was better back in 2016 2017

than it is now

6 7

it was simpler

now theres so much bloat on discord

[rose night]

true

[brave leaf]

I wonder if I took this screenshot because I was happy about my internet speed

[rose night]

is that xp?

or vista

i forget

wait that cant be xp

[brave leaf]

ok BRO WHO REMEMBERS THIS? I HAD COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN

[rose night]

that has to be vista

[brave leaf]

windows media player had this weird feature

[lofty cradle]

I think the community aspect of discord is pretty good. Just that as soon as there is more than 10 people chatting it breaks and only sites like reddit or twitter really facilitate shit like that

[brave leaf]

where it would do some 3d rendering crazy stuff

[worldly kindle]

thats xp

[rose night]

oh word?

[worldly kindle]

vista looked more like windows 7 than it did xp

[lofty cradle]

Vista looks like modern windows

[rose night]

ohhh right

i forget

[brave leaf]

it was probably xp

[lofty cradle]

XP still had custom shell, etc, you could make it look like whatever you wanted

[rose night]

i think i used xp at some point

but i musta been really little

[lofty cradle]

Nowadays you need linux to make the pc look like yours

[placid wave]

Vista and windows 7 are basically the same are they not ? i thought so at least

[worldly kindle]

my first computer was xp

[rose night]

yeah but i heard vista was hot ass

[worldly kindle]

windows 7 is vista but not dogshit

[placid wave]

i thought it was because old horrible pcs that couldn't run vista were trying to

and because of it it was ass

[rose night]

wasnt like every other windows ass

cause 8 and 8.1 i heard bad stuff about

[worldly kindle]

kinda

i actually think windows 11 is quite good

windows 10 was ass at the start

and then it became good

[rose night]

except you cant move the taskbar on windows 11

[placid wave]

nah it goes like this they make a good version of windows then they release a shit version then they release a good version

[lofty cradle]

I wouldn’t be surprised if windows 11 still had a bunch of code from Vista

[placid wave]

xp good vista bad

[rose night]

kinda like nintendo in a way

[placid wave]

7 good 8 bad

10 good 11 bad

[worldly kindle]

windows 11 is basically windows 10

i think its good

[rose night]

release a good console then they release a mid one

[worldly kindle]

windows 10 was also pretty shit at the start

but after some updates it got good

[rose night]

yeah i remember the free upgrade being pushed

from windows 7

[placid wave]

i decrapified and uninstalled so much of windows 11 dog shit

[worldly kindle]

yeah but thats also kind of inherent with every version of windows

[placid wave]

i don't even have the windows 11 like windows button

i can't think of the name

[worldly kindle]

windows 10 had hella bloat as well

[placid wave]

the one that opens in the middle

[worldly kindle]

u can change it so its to the side i think

[placid wave]

start menu

[fallen hatch]

i found out the hard way w11 had some stupid drive encryption by default and almost lost my pc install

[worldly kindle]

i dont mind it being in the middle

ive gotten used to it being in the middle

[rose night]

damn

[placid wave]

nah the start menu on windows 11 is hot garbage

[rose night]

i swapped it to the side

[placid wave]

windows 11 feels like a spiritual sequel to windows 8

[fallen hatch]

you have to sign in to your microsoft account to get your pc back lmao

[worldly kindle]

hell nah bro

[rose night]

ngl it kinda sucked on 10 too

[fallen hatch]

like what the fuck is that

[worldly kindle]

windows 8 is hot garbage

[placid wave]

no it wasn't if you modded the hell out of it

8.1 was stable and very usuable and good

[fallen hatch]

classicshell

i was there

[worldly kindle]

well u can say the same about any version of windows then

[placid wave]

but the ui and other choices were just braindead made for touchscreens not for actual mouse and pc users

[worldly kindle]

u can modify windows 11 for it to be basically the same as 10

[fallen hatch]

i also remember when classicshell got hacked after christmas and so many peoples pcs got bricked

because default 8.1 ui was that bad

everyone was installing it

[nova trail]

so gay

[placid wave]

pretty sure windows 8 was very well optimized and added a lot of nice features

[worldly kindle]

windows 8 introduced a lot of nice features but the user experience was ass

those same features were later fleshed out in windows 10

[full escarp]

CAN SOMEONE BUY ME A HOUSE AND PAY FOR FOOD SO THAT I CAN STAY AT HOME FOREVER

[worldly kindle]

and made more user friendly

[full escarp]

THANK YOU

Guys lowkey I might just become a valorant egirl streamer

[fallen hatch]

you can pitch a tent and steal wifi best i can do

[meager meteor]

what does this mean...???

[full escarp]

YES PLEASE THAT WORKS I JUST DONT WANT CONTACT WITH OUTSIDE WORLD

[meager meteor]

im doing this

[fallen hatch]

also you need to be off my property because that might damage the lawn

um and

yeah idk just go to mcdonalds