health

[tender hare]

but when it's clicking scens my fingers are wet af

[sage perch]

@inland dew

[unborn hamlet]

有道理

[slow ledge]

i used to have that a bunch when playing splatoon 3 but onto my palms, but i think it was because my palm had full contact onto the controller making it less "breatheable"

making my hands sweat

[tired ether]

How much time should I play or Aimtrain everyday?

Also a few tricks to not get burnout or feel fatigued, I just feel that after playing some time I'm tired or my brain doesnt feel like it is braining correctly

[silk echo]

anyone know how to calm soreness in forearm? I can't seem to stretch it out since its tough to really stretch your forearm muscles... only flexing them easy, which just cause soreness no cramp

[bitter temple]

Muscle soreness? Probably RICE method if its bad - there are also forearm stretches and you can find a bunch on google. Flexing the wrist both ways is helpful for stretching out the forearm. If there is swelling or inflammation then its probably a concern you should take seriously.

[marsh latch]

its soreness, not much you can do except sitting it out, the stuff mentioned is just a short term relief of the discomfort youre experience right now

[silk echo]

This sucks, I've had it for about 4 days now lowkey just hope it goes away by this tuesday

holy my message finally sent

[bitter temple]

u pick it up from the gym?

ur life might be over bro sorry, move to texas and buy a ranch

[hasty stag]

strengthen it

[tardy fractal]

just cameback from a 3 months break i wanted to start aimtraining again but now i feel like ive lost all of my progress for 5months i hit jade on tracking but now i cant even hit plat and my mental health is just kind of giving up lol what should i do?

[marsh latch]

Keep on grinding youll get back faster

[high kiln]

ive tried out vdim but i can't finish the static routine without my arm getting sore almost half way, ive tried taking 15-30 minutes break in between but my arm still feels sluggish, is it because of poor tension management?

[marsh latch]

static is very exhaustive, you dont have the endurance build up for it yet. the sheer amount of runs vdim has is totally exaggerated tho, so just reduce them to one or two runs or split them between days

[high kiln]

alr i'll try to split it

can grip trainers strengthen endurance

[marsh latch]

yup, just keep in mind that aim training is volume that needs to be regenerated, and excercises with the grip trainer too. so dont overdo yourself and plan it properly so your body can handle both

[hazy condor]

no, grip trainers mostly only strengthen the forearm muscles

[arctic turtle]

Lately, I believe I've started dealing with a pretty significant amount of eye strain, as many times I feel like the screen becomes blurry or I have a difficult time keeping my eyes on the crosshair/target especially when having to switch. It's like it just gets blurry or I don't notice things that are right there ocasionally.

That being said, I've been trying to blink more. although I notice some days I wake up with watery-ish eyes or just a burning sensation all around.

How do you guys deal with eye strain like this? Am I just meant to take a break for a few days or something or what because it's affecting me so much it stresses me out in game

[bitter temple]

I've tried to lock in on posture - had to remove arm rests so that I could get my chair under my desk with 90 degree angle for elbow.
now, though, cuz of my shitty chair, my elbow hits it when I pull down on the mouse - should I jump off of a bridge ? I cant get posture right aT ALL

[inland lake]

How wide is the chair's back? Would you have to reach out far to avoid it?

[inland lake]

IF it's a strain then try the 202020 and some eye drops might help, but ultimately see a doctor

[bitter temple]

its maybe a 10 degree rotation if the starting point was my elbows tucked into my body. Its not terrible, I just noted from Ben's video that he said it is best for tension if you avoid elbow flare

also on the topic of posture is it better for the elbow (when off the desk) to be slightly below or above the desk - if not perfectly parallel, which is better? (healthwise or aimwise idk if thats the same thing)

[high kiln]

thats the part of my arm thats really exhausted

[slate musk]

the range of motion in my thumb is fully chalked

i played a single finals game and i cant move my thumb well and it feels sore

[hazy condor]

check if u have a good posture n also try to stretch before every gaming session

[violet swan]

im reading this and wanna make sure im having the same problem, my wrist has been hurting after 10-15 scenarios after starting doing vdim

[marsh latch]

test your theory and do less scenarios and see if it changes in the coming days

[stone kiln]

does anyone know if theres a cheaper alternative to 1hp gaming style posture checking? 400 us is just too steep but I have a lot of health issues influencing my aiming in general and my ability to train

[marsh latch]

look up coach ben posture guide, 2 mins total watch time

[silk echo]

unfortunately no. When im in the gym I lift controlled and don't go too heavy. I don't go all that often currently either.

I actually picked it up by getting put down in an arm wrestle 🥀

mostly gone though

[stiff topaz]

okay weird question but i've gotten a watch with a heart rate monitor recently and i noticed during aim training my heart rate slowly but surely rises (from resting 60 to ~85)

My question is: Is that beneficial for training or should i be wary of it?

"Conventional" wisdom makes me think its always best to lower your heart rate, both for competetive fps gaming and for stuff like aim training but I wanted to ask for opinions

[candid sluice]

Regarding that first pic, is your arm mostly floating, or is it resting on your desk? Either way, you are likely shrugging your shoulder with a tight upper trapezius muscle to bring your elbow up to your desk height.

When you have a moment, focus all of your attention into relaxing the area that feels tense. You might only be able to relax it the slightest bit, but when it does relax, your shoulder will depress downwards. When that occurs, there will be the faintest sensation in your upper-middle back. That’s the antagonist muscles activating, allowing your tense area (the upper trapezius) to lengthen and thus relax.

It will take some mental finesse, but when you feel these antagonist muscles contract when you relax the tense area, try and contract them further. It’s okay if it takes time and if it’s slow. These muscles have probably been underactive for a long time now. Because of that, you will likely feel ăn unfamiliar sensation when you contract these muscles.

After a few days of doing this and rediscovering those back muscles, you can now try to keep your shoulder lowered as you practice this motion:

Try and go all the way up. The most important thing while doing this is that you keep squeezing those back muscles and completely relaxing the upper trapezius (the tense area). It will most likely be difficult and slow to bring your arm up while meeting these two requirements, as you will most likely be using different muscles to raise your arm like this than you have in the past. You’d feel a lot of it in your chest and back

Something that might help is to think of lifting your elbow rather than raising your hand

I had the same issue, but strengthening exercises (in a traditional sense) didn’t help me personally because they didn’t address the core issues. At 1500+ hours, you probably know a lot about tension, so I’m sorry to have the word “relax” fall on your eyes for the billionth time haha but what I did was pretty much what I wrote just above except for my wrist. There were imbalances in my wrists, causing them to never be able to fully relax because some muscles were overly active and stuck in a tightened position, so doing that “relaxing to discover the antagonist muscles” method I explained in the post above allowed me to keep my wrists in a much more relaxed and biomechanically sound position

Which allows them to move both a lot more smoothly with much better acceleration (in terms of both change in speed and change in direction)

[candid sluice]

Oh, to add onto this, this tightness in your wrist probably favors one side. When you reach the end of your range going in the unfavored side, you probably experience a spring-like sensation that has your wrist jumping back in the opposite direction, making smooth motions impossible at this range. You'd have to locate the tight muscles and relax those while focusing on developing the weak, underactive ones. So it really is pretty much strength training in the end lol but the most important part is figuring out what to strengthen

[woven garnet]

@serene stump

[silk schooner]

anyone know how to fix like hard blinking, like when i aim train i always have to blink for like a second while in games i barely blink it lowk messes me up alot 🤔

[scenic coral]

Auto pilot

[spark quarry]

@woven garnet

[woven garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/asa-mitaka-asa-gif-6643641538636584646

[stuck surge]

how much you guys think regular exercise helps with aiming

perhaps the improvement comes from better mood?

ive been doing better recently

[hazy epoch]

being healthy only has positive effects on your life

[hazy condor]

exercising n gym both dont have any impact at all on aiming

[robust bough]

Exercising has a positive impact on literally anything and everything you do

Ur brain functions better when ur bodies healthier

[hazy condor]

if u have healthy lifestyle already then it doesnt bring that much of a impact n it would be very very little amnt that nobody would realize it

[robust bough]

You can’t definitively say that and also that context wasn’t provided in the original question nor was it added to ur answer

He asked if exercising helps and it does

How can you say nobody would realize it if the guy you were talking to did realize it

[hazy condor]

again if u already have healthy lifestyle it wouldnt bring much impact n he prob felt placebo

[robust bough]

Those are assumptions you are making to validate a flawed view

I can’t find him say anywhere he was living a healthy lifestyle before he began exercising

P sure every single study ever conducted on the subject has concluded it is a significant difference too so I’m not sure why you’re so confident in it being a negligent difference

[hazy condor]

yeah thats my fault i forgot to add in that

[hazy condor]

did they study abt exercising has impact on aiming?

[robust bough]

There have been studies on its impact on cognitive function, increases in brain volume and increases in neuroplasticity and neurogenesis

All of which are extremely correlated to aiming

[hazy condor]

oh well im confident bcs myb ik smthin n tried it

[hazy condor]

yeah but mostly from walking n treadmil n its mostly cus of blood supply to brain increases(im jus guessing prob wrong) and the impact going to be low amnt if u already got a healthy lifestyle meaning u dont sit behind ur monitor 12h daily

[tidal surge]

how to fit working out/gym with aim routine should i Workout then Aim train even tho i will have shaky aim or Aim train then gym

[mental light]

it’s better to not sleep and kinda fix my sleep schedule or get 2/3 hours?

[hazy condor]

why would u have shaky aim after gym tho

[stone agate]

muscle and central nervous system fatigue most likely

[hazy condor]

muscle fatigue shouldnt be to a point where he has shaky aim tho same goes for cns fatigue

[robust bough]

Whatever’s convenient

[terse sky]

Hi I noticed that I struggle with a topic that isn’t really talked about enough imo. I find myself constantly thinking about how my pad positioned and how high or low my chair should be and I’ve tried countless times to fix this issue of mine but I can’t seem to do that I always change something in a thought of it’ll make x better or If il do that y will be worse. Do you understand? How can I find an solution to this without overthinking

[oblique horizon]

What is the ideal temperature range my room should be, so that I don't overheat but also don't freeze?

[uneven ivy]

22c

also if ur hands are cold, warm water is op

[oblique horizon]

Should I just have a container with warm water near me? Because I'd rather not always go to the bath when I my hands are cold

[uneven ivy]

I mean just warm ur hands when u can and have a room temp so they don't get cold

[oblique horizon]

Okay, thanks

[blissful mulch]

So my shoulder started hurting more frequently and i noticed its very tense when aiming. Should i make a conscious effort to "untense" it and mostly use wrist aim?

I also changed my posture a bit so my elbows are more relaxed on the table

[uneven ivy]

Definitely learning how to train with 0 tension is the play

But you should still stretch, exercise, rest

I think everything else can be practiced, except comfort

[blissful mulch]

I think its because of call of duty lol, i have to do so many 200° turns and also look up all the time

[uneven ivy]

so you should find a comfortable setup, use a sens that allows you to do everything in game with ease and then just practice

[blissful mulch]

I have to use my whole arm to 180

[uneven ivy]

You can always practice how to use a higher sens

especially if you are not comfortable with lifting your mouse and swiping a lot

[sudden pine]

i have this weird thing that started maybe 3 or so days ago where when i hold/move my mouse it kinda goes like numb i cant really explain it well but its affecting my aim and i dont know if its just a fatigue thing or if i should actually get it checked out

[rugged hull]

get it checked out

[robust bough]

fatigue definitely should not be causing numbness get that checked out

[rapid mantle]

I get a slight discomfort in my wrist here after playing, its neither painful nor stops me playing but id rather be safer than sorry. I suspect its maybe to do with my wrist position when I move my mouse right

[bronze wren]

how do I fix a super tense shoulder especially aiming towards the right?? like it lwky hurt fr

[mellow stream]

I got a "Carpio 2.0" from Delta Hub and it has fixed everything related to wrist pain. You ought to check it out. I don't think that I could play without one now

[hazy epoch]

@summer trout

[stiff topaz]

Hi! What is the current consensus on how long a training block should be (and the break between blocks) if someone were to aim train for 8+ hours in a day?

[sonic seal]

a while ago, i did 40m training, 20m breaks. However, aimtraining for 8 hrs in a day might not be so good

[stiff topaz]

yup but imagine if it was your job to aim train (no other game to practice for), how would you structure your day is what im wondering

[uneven ivy]

30-45min set, 15-30min break/doing something else

[dull geyser]

my wrist starts to hurt pretty much as soon as i start playing (like 1 valorant dm) and i think my biggest issue is tension management. is smoothness scenarios and tracking the best way to fix it? i play on a fairly low sens and im also trying to get used to using my arm more

[tender pelican]

12 hours or until failure

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-budy-ronnie-coleman-gym-lightweight-light-gif-20762394

[median plover]

Yes. I struggle with the same and tracking scenarios seems to help. Also try to conciously reduce tension. Practice this in aimtrainer first then dm then ranked games. Basically remove pressure in ur brain that you need to be really fast (u dont need to in 80% time)

[flat crest]

I've only just started, but the very first thing I'm noticing is that on especially tracking scenarios my stability suffers immensely. My forearm and fingers just get so fatiged and my aim becomes incredibly shakey. I'm sure that strength will just generically improve as I put in more hours into aim training, but are there any finger/forearm exercises external to mouse movement that people are aware of that may target relevant control/stability muscles?

[final hedge]

Any tips on the Gyro Ball? am I supposed to spin the thingy Counter clock wise or Clockwise? should I have my forearm fully extended out?

[unreal atlas]

i got essential tremor that goes craazy when im actively tracking. Am i fried for life?

[rose vale]

kinda weird buttt does anyone have an issue of dead skin coming off the palm when it's rubbed on the mousepad? sometimes it happens and I have to constantly swipe my mousepad off with my arm cuz I just don't like the feeling of something on my mousepad when I'm trying to aim lol

[rose vale]

I've seen players get high ranks with essential tremor's in games that would be extremely hard with shakiness, it's def possible but you might have to work way harder than the average person

I'm not that familiar with the condition so I don't know if there are ways to prevent or train it to not happen as often

[robust bough]

its bad tension management, its nothing to do with weakness of the muscle

[candid drum]

dude i have the same problem. the way i deal w it is to just take rest between scenarios so ur wrist can relax. I used to aim train for hours nonstop (mostly flicking scenarios) with bad tension management and I think that caused it.

[rapid mantle]

I asked in the kovaaks subreddit it about it and they gave me some pretty decent advice, main ones that have helped so far is better tension management like you said, I have a bad habit of forgetting to release it when im locked in as well as trying to use arm aim more when it comes to turns far to the right

[candid drum]

It's called Ulnar Side Extensors pain or Ulnar side wrist pain if you wanna look into it more

https://www.reddit.com/r/FPSAimTrainer/comments/1fwjdlc/for_anyone_having_ulnar_wrist_pain_from_gaming/

Strengthening ur wrist seems to help too

[rapid mantle]

I used to go to the gym a couple years back, at the recommendation of some videos I was linked i started doing the 1hp endurance dumbell exercises

[candid drum]

I also realized that this happens more often whenever I don't go to the gym

[violet swan]

Hello, I can actually feel tension in my left trap. I'm pretty sure this is caused by aim training and playing Valorant most of my day
can someone recommend a viable stretching routine?

[acoustic cairn]

Idk if this is the right chat to ask this in, but is it normal for my mouse arm to turn inwards, like towards the top left of my mousepad instead of being perfectly straight? It does this naturally.

[uneven axle]

it's normal

[acoustic cairn]

Thanks!

[spark pike]

If I have a really bad sleep schedule could it impact progress? For example, I can fall asleep at 2 on a school night, waking up at 8:30 and over breaks and the weekends I’ll go to sleep at like 4, waking up at 2 in the afternoon

This is probably an obvious YES, but I’m curious to the extent it would impact me

[outer roost]

Absolutely. On days that you feel tired or sluggish, stick to theory and technique rather than pushing for PBs.

[half adder]

PMID: 41358909 is a study examining whether differences in sleep timing between school days and days off are related to adolescent brain development, affecting brain organization and cognitive ability / emotion regulation.

https://doi.org/10.1002/agm2.12221 shows that circadian disruption → increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease.

PMID: 41287625 shows that circadian disruption is closely associated with brain dysfunction.

PMID: 40350180 circadian disruption is linked to changes in brain structure, and these changes may be related to cognitive decline/dementia.

There are a ton of other scientific studies too, but listing them all would take forever. In short: with your sleep schedule, you’ll develop more slowly than your peers. You’ll experience issues like brain fog, reduced concentration, reduced memory, reduced cognition, insomnia, and dangerous dementia-related diseases like Alzheimer’s.

Specifically for aim training: You’ll have trouble focusing, trouble forming neural connections to adapt to new training drills. You’ll lose the ability to feel and control the mouse properly due to cognitive decline (affecting tension management). You’ll lose reaction speed because your brain is fatigued → it can’t process the visual information coming from your eyes, and you’ll lose directional judgment based on information coming from your ears, etc.

Remember: neural connections can be created, but neurons can only be lost. Neurons cannot recover and also cannot be created. So what you’re doing is basically poisoning your body.

[clever oriole]

is there like a mathematical or foolproof way of setting my desk up? I have a fully adjustable desk, but all the vidoes from like Kovaks or Struth dont fit me cus my proportions are weird (185cm arms, 180cm height) and following their advice I would need my desk to be so low I cant fit my legs (fuck working out btw before my quads were big I had no issue 😭) + should I use arm rests or no? If no how much of my arm should be in the air? I know most aimers dont use them, only Viscose does but idk whats the general idea. I would appriciate any advice or ideas Im high key suffering

[spark pike]

I fear I’ve noticed some of these already 💔

[slate sequoia]

guys does anyone have camptodactyly syndrome and is a good aimer or seeking to be one here? I have almost 450hours on aimtrainers without autopiloting and trying my best to improve with various methods and I've been consistent with vdim for a while aswell but I still stuck in gold, I never felt insecure about my hands ever but the long hardstuck phase is making me question if my hands where the real problem, any 1hp staff here to give their opinion on this ?

[sonic wedge]

guys why my burps smell bad?

[uneven ivy]

your stomach is literally an acid vat

acid reflux is when stuff from your stomach gets back up, possibly due to poor diet or drinking too many fizzy drinks

[sonic wedge]

Could there be other reason? I didnt really changed diet. And i do mostly drink water

[cedar plover]

can be sinuses, tonsil issues, dirty tongue
it's not always stomach content
if it was never issue but now doesn't stop for weeks seek doctor, i think like half of gastro problems can cause some sort of bad breath

[uneven ivy]

How is your health and have you gone to the dentist recently

[cedar plover]

do you have issues with range of motion during aiming?
if not, then 90% it's not syndrome issue

[sonic wedge]

I have now like stomachache and feel something moving inside pretty loudly espscially when pressing.

Its only today tho

[uneven ivy]

Also if you go into ketosis, your breath smells like death

if u want a more balanced stomach, try some oats and yoghurt

[deft viper]

I have astigmatism, but my glasses prescription is light enough that I don't "need" them for anything and I do not often wear them (yes, I promise I'm not endangering myself while driving).

how important is wearing my glasses while gaming? will I be at a genuine disadvantage by not wearing them?
If it matters: I've pretty much never worn them while gaming, and I can finish a match of bf6 with the top kills pretty regularly

[inland lake]

If you're seeing clearly and prescription isn't "must wear at all times" then you don't really need them yeah, although do try playing with them and see if the image you see is a bit sharper allowing you to see/focus better
AFAIK there's also no real evidence that "blue filter" glasses actually help with PC use so even if yours have that I wouldn't force it on if you're more comfortable without them

[uneven ivy]

Doesn't ur head hurt without glasses

[deft viper]

no, tbh I went without them so long that the only fatigue I feel is when I wear them too long

[deft viper]

yeah, i’ll give it a try. and yeah I don’t have the blue light filter. I didn’t like how it messed with colors when I was doing photo editing and stuff so I made sure these didn’t have it

[robust bough]

How has this remained up in the server for damn near an hour

[hazy epoch]

@empty pendant

W kai

[empty pendant]

because they were right clicked, i went to ban them from another channel and they didnt remove all messages

granted this was 2hrs ago

so instead of wondering why, tag us

[deft viper]

probably a silly question but: if I'm logging water intake, it's acceptable to log flavored seltzers (ex. Polar, Lacroix, etc) as water? I’ve never actually looked into whether they hydrate as well as water does

[cedar plover]

I have ast too, mild form where if I don't wear glasses i am fine
but I think it's best to wear them when eye focused activity happens. doctors recommend using correction with ast, because involuntatily squinting can cause further progression. plus it's less blur, why not?
realistically I don't think it's big disadvantage if you are not yourself feeling you need it, but it's QOL for sure to see clear all the time

[cerulean dome]

plus if you dont like glasses use contacts

[deft viper]

unfortunately contacts do not vibe with me for whatever reason
I think it's just because I have small eyes but getting them in/out was a nightmare when I tried

[cerulean dome]

for me in the start aswell but after a while it was a peace of cake, if you literally no joke dont even flinch or close your eyes when putting it in itll be easier

[cedar plover]

yeah it's not eyes issue, definitely need to get used to. if anything, it's maintenance is PITA - storing them properly in luquid etc.

[dull geyser]

ive found the solution to my issue with aiming with way too much tension but i still have really bad wrist pain from when it. how long do you think itll take of not playing for it to stop

[cedar plover]

if it's bad, then 2 weeks at least imo. RSI is not a joke

[burnt wolf]

maybe your nose was blocked

[dull geyser]

is weightlifting with it a yes or no

[hazy epoch]

@empty pendant wtf

[winged wharf]

Anyone know good exercises for muscle atrophy in the thumb holding the mouse, as I can tell my other hands skin is a lot tighter and there’s a lot less in the part connecting my thumb to hand in the hand I use to hold the mouse?

[fringe reef]

I wanted to let others know if anyone here deals with nerve pain and carpal tunnel if it affects you heavily when playing maybe consider asking if amitriptyline is an option for you I've been taking it since august and it's like the best I've taken from other stuff over the years i had my dose upped twice i feel like it helped me push to levels i couldn't with the pain

Has anyone else taken it i want to know your opinion

[ocean notch]

@wild grove

[rose vale]

Yea I’m kinda curious but is there a big of how bad astigmatism can be? Whenever I look it up it seems extreme but for my the lights especially headlights kinda look like stars with rays extending from the light idek

Hard to explain

I might try and see what stop lights look like cuz I lowkey forgot I’m just used to it

[cedar plover]

ast is not always and only about halo and light effects, text is blurred in general
and it can be very mild or really bad, just as regular short/far sight is

[rose vale]

Yea I mean I’m not really sure 😭 I used to have 20/20 vision than like within a year I can barely see like 10 feet in front of me

I think that light thing has always been there though

[fringe reef]

I have problems too i literally had went to a place twice they messed up both times and this other place listen to me and they got me in with retina specialist for my optic nerve but I'm glad they let me choose my eye power prescription cause i knew my right eye was off and now i can see objects clear that's like 800-1000ft away 🥴

If you wear glasses get a person that tries to get your vision close

I'm glad the od did for me cause i lowkey seeing way clearer than i ever have

[modest spear]

@amber anvil

[rose vale]

Damn got the account with nitro from 2017 stolen 😭

[rose vale]

I do but I rarely use them

I wanna try using contacts but I know swapping them out daily might annoy me but at least I’d be wearing them every day all day

Glasses are weird I already have problems around my ears and it just puts pressure around that spot and I also can’t wear them with headsets because they just push the glasses into my head

[uneven ivy]

Get comfortable glasses and single use contacts

[fringe reef]

Idk what headset you use but i have a razer one and it's comfortable also if you have problem with comfortability you can get glasses where they can heat up and shape the arms like i have a frame that oakley doesn't make anymore but in the arms have a metal rod that can bea heated up and changed like my glasses are fitted to my curve

[slow ledge]

so i'm here doing 1W4ts and i'm finding that my elbow is REALLY feeling it and my forearm also is

it's not an ouch pain

it's more of an uncomfy

any ideas?

[rose vale]

I believe the hyperx cloud II

I used to have the regular razer kraken that headset is probably super old by now though

I had it for over like 6 years

The headphone part I think pushes on the sides of my glasses

The cushion maybe

Not sure I never paid attention I just knew it was uncomfortable lol

[cerulean dome]

@summer trout delete his acc prob got hacked

[cerulean dome]

it depends

for me without glasses is extreme

with it isnt like i have it

[fringe reef]

I had the kraken kitty v1 and now I'm on the v2 pro the cushions doesn't push my frame arms it sits softly against them

[rose vale]

I think I had the regular razer kraken

This one

I got rid of it because it was pretty much falling apart 😭

[uneven axle]

You can try playing with a gyro ball; it's fun. Figure out how to spin it for a long while without getting tired.

[hallow whale]

hey guys, im struggling with hand pain, im doing the lifts (all 4 directions) + grip strength, and finger rubber band extension

currently doing everything 3x10 4kg dumbell via progressive overload, increasing weight (reducing sets to 2), then increasing sets to 3, then increasing weight

but i am not sure what i am doing is optimal for aim training
is there an established meta in the reps, weight, tempo, etc?

[inner sinew]

Hey yall, I’m struggling with eye pain and incredibly dry eyes. Both my eyes get very red after my sessions, I usually play for about 3 to 4 hours with a 5 to 10 min break every 40 min ish. Yet my eyes are always feeling dry and get really red. Is there a pair of glasses or particular eyedrops anyone could recommend? Anybody experiencing the same thing?

[hazy epoch]

blink

look outside for 30 seconds every few minutes

[cerulean dome]

@empty pendant sorry for ping

[empty pendant]

@cerulean dome always ping one of us for those images. ty

[cerulean dome]

np

[faint bear]

idk how to explain this but I recently got an oled and Idk if its my eyes or the screen but I see trails behind bot health bars, my bot health is purple so I see yellow trail behind it

[uneven ivy]

Change color

[faint bear]

its not only that color its also with like red I see cyan behind it or pink I see green behind it

I tried clipping it but in the clip I don't see it happening

[uneven ivy]

set up your monitor settings

[hazy epoch]

@empty pendant

kai cenat giving lots of parting gifts after quitting..

[empty pendant]

more money for me ig

[slate carbon]

Hey y'all what's good
I'm here to get professional health tips and advice

[robust bough]

@sonic seal

Hella scammers good lord

[ashen rune]

Make sure the lighting in your room is good. You don't want to be playing in the dark.

My eyes would burn within 20-30 minutes of aim training back when my room was very dim

[real canyon]

@summer trout

[summer trout]

holy fuck

[fringe reef]

I don't know why but sometimes when i feel my worst my dynamic clicking is better like i think i might of had an episode of serotonin syndrome saturday night trying wellbutrin and when i took amitriptyline that night i had the worst interaction and I'm in nerve pain I'm feeling alot better i didn't get seen when i should've but seeing my pcp tomorrow but i feel like when I'm completely burnt out and my brain activity is lower i feel like I'm on track going target to target without really missing I'm like totally burnt from nerve pain and dizzy but it stopped like i wanna know the science in this it's interesting like i shouldn't be able to play this good while being in really bad condition but i am

Like maybe it's because I'm used to being like this like yes the interaction was terrible but i had experience like that without meds

[real canyon]

@summer trout

exodia bots

[summer trout]

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY

[worldly obsidian]

@ionic atlas

[uneven ivy]

ppl rly desperate these days

[acoustic cairn]

When i first started aim training, I would copy a lot of other peoples settings, grips, etc. I dont remember how I used to grip my mouse back then, but one thing I do remember is forcing my pinky and ring finger to curl, because thats what I saw a lot of people doing. My pinky and ring finger have always hurt because of this. Over the years, my ring finger straightened out and relaxed on its own. My pinky is still curled, but it doesnt hurt now. I assume it doesnt hurt only because I got used to it, but that doesnt make it good or right. Even though it doesnt hurt anymore, my pinky still feels "active" or "full", whereas all my other fingers feel neutral.

Should I go straighten it? What do you guys think? And is this an issue for aiming? Sorry for the long message.

[uneven axle]

as long as your pinky is relaxed and can comfortably push against the mouse, and you can preserve the gentle feeling at the contact point between the pinky and mouse that you get when moving the crosshair just a slight bit to the left, all the way till your mouse reaches the edge of your usable mousepad area, where the force on the mouse at the contact point gradually increases from 0, you are fine.

[cedar plover]

@velvet spindle ^ spam above

[uneven axle]

Most likely, you think too much when you play. Simply focus on bringing crosshair to taget by varying the pressure on the top and sides of the mouse. DO NOT think of the muscles involved and their usage if you wanna preserve near-continuous perception of the bot. You can do that during practice though, it helps if you manage to think a more efficient motion to let your body experience it, then let it move unconciously again.

Also DO NOT predict too far into the future, for u'll spend time distracted by cognitive dissonance if you expect wrong.

[gentle burrow]

my right pinky is similar to this, except im not sure how it's hurting
im using a fingertip grip and it's not curled

im gripping pinky on the side of the mouse

[fringe reef]

Bro i don't think at all i even turn my brain off when i aim training i most solely focus on my music the only thing i use my brain for is if i go off pace cause I've been keeping habit of reset when I'm not pacing to keep my high scores with high accuracy i don't push for pr's

But for some reasons i train better when i feel like completely bad overall

[uneven axle]

hmm you may process stuff unconciously, and process even less when feeling bad. Send VOD of you playing some precise tracking with bouncy ball, like PGTI Voltaic or VOD of when you are okay and not so okay on the same scenario? It's very difficult to help with unconscious stuff without seeing anything!

[fringe reef]

Well the thing i have a low processing function I'm actually in the process trying a adhd diagnosis so i can get the go to treatment medications but i need the actual diagnosis i always avoided growing up I'm really high in tracking but like when i put both visuals and brain together that's when i crash down that's why i always train in a way i do things unconsciously

[uneven axle]

How do you change your autopilot? Is consciously working on it for practice out of the question?

[fringe reef]

Like how do i managed to workout unconsciously?

Is that what you mean?

[untold anvil]

what if i can see the future

[uneven axle]

if you find a mistake how would you train to fix it?

[fringe reef]

Lowkey i forget what they're called but it's rare if it happens to me I've had dreams of events that happened to me like nothing serious that puts me in risk but it's weird i had dreams of stuff then it happens later on

[untold anvil]

same

i understand you on that one

[fringe reef]

I even had deja vu when going to places and see certain things or area's my brain activity increases and it makes me confused cause i seen it before

[untold anvil]

i have dreamt of exact scenarios happening and they do happen and i legit get scared bc of it

but something else i noticed is if i think of something happening in the moment it will for some reason happen the very next minute

[fringe reef]

Like let's say micro corrections i have a system if i my visual processing sees a mistake my conscious will kick in and tell me to reset and after a long period of training i fixed my micro correction without thinking or solely focusing on doing it

[fringe reef]

The first one i can remember like in elementary school i remember i was sat down by a teachers aid about something i did but in the dream i didn't know what i did but only that specific person and what chairs we was sitting and the angle between us

[untold anvil]

ngl those dreams made me believe theres something of a higher power controlling us or our fate

[fringe reef]

But also on top of my response if i think at all what I'm doing training that's when things fall apart and i mess up alot but it's crucial if i fully shut off my brain from thinking what I'm doing when i first started aim training years ago i was always slow cause i was thinking the more i trained the more i understood i need to shut off my brain and over the years doing it i became more accurate and upped my speed like for instance for years i also off and on played fps games with no audio queues increasing my perception and visual reactions

[uneven axle]

Then there's no problem; you can become aimbot-like

[uneven axle]

This is very cool, thanks for telling me! I think it's also important to train error-recovery in sight-reading though, so perhaps you do that separately

[languid vault]

When I move my wrist to its max range of motion left/right/up/down and then try to slowly move it back to a neutral position I can't seem to get a smooth transition and it seems to move in increments. I'm not tensing my wrist at all and I am keeping it completely relaxed. Is there anyone else that has had this problem and how would I fix it?

[ancient kelp]

Unsure where to ask but any solution to sweaty hands during tracking

[fringe reef]

Just like how people have chalk for weightlifting try looking for a lotion/solution that can block sweat I'm sure you can probably look around on reddit and see if you can find any threads you can google what your looking for like maybe saying product to block sweat while gaming reddit and it'll load links for posts people made

[long wedge]

how to improve reaction time

[lost sand]

Vitamin

[long wedge]

which ones

[lost sand]

Honestly, Im not a health guru or anything. I dont have an issue with reaction time. but hopefully someone comes around and can tell you which vitamins are helpful. I take some unrelated to gaming, and someone else told me it helps with reaction time. idk how true it is, but I guess there's gotta be a vitamin that helps with that.

[long wedge]

its not like im actually that bad i just wanna improve

[gray sapphire]

baby powder may be worth trying
I use it regularly to keep my hands smooth and dry

[ancient kelp]

Avoid any smart drugs because they make u slower

Creatine caffeine and vitamin C/B do help but better sleep and consistent cardio does way more

[scenic coral]

caffeine

[fallen jackal]

Is Good for smooth tracking?

[fallen jackal]

Get a tennis shooter ball thing, and catch/Dodge every ball that comes at you, once you start getting good add more to all sides including the blind spots, and boom ultra instinct unlock (I’m not joking, try it)

[long wedge]

10 hits to the body per set until i can dodge 💔

[fallen jackal]

It work yo not joking try it

[long wedge]

where do i even find those thing

[fallen jackal]

Amazon

[long wedge]

err what else besides that thing should i use

[fallen jackal]

Read the book inner game of tennis

[long wedge]

the what now

can i just crank up the caffeine until i feel weird

[fallen jackal]

Talks about mental performance and whole bunch of other things I recommend

[fallen jackal]

Also read thinking fast and slow

[long wedge]

oh

how do i heal an overstrained / overstretched muscle

[fallen jackal]

Rest/stretching (dynamic stretches)

[fallen jackal]

Fish oil can help

[uneven ivy]

Protein and rest

[hollow hornet]

I do a lot of things that use my hand like penspinning cardistry piano guitar osu mania osu and idk... my hand has been getting more and more shaky and gets very painful at night, what should i do? Since when i aim my tracking is... aweful due to my shaking, but my flicking is very good

[hollow hornet]

Whoops... someone got hacked

[fringe reef]

Lowkey what games do you typically play?

[sage perch]

@velvet spindle

[modest notch]

shoulder tensing only when wrist/fingertip aiming not arm aiming? any pro tips 😭

[ancient kelp]

Stretching protein sauna then cold water magnesium

And start takint creatine it ll make strain less likely

[long wedge]

err tacfps

[fringe reef]

I know it might sound crazy but a way to help improve visual perception and reaction time is play without audio i don't play tac shooters like i used to but if you have the game sense playing without audio will be less challenging I've done it playing csgo for years there was multiple times where i wanted to play but was bothered by audio due to my migraines so i played with my headset off

[agile steppe]

See a doctor

[hollow hornet]

idk... i told my dad and he just told me to quit penspinning and everything and we dont need a doctor for that so idk ive just been toning down the playing and i mean it has gotten slightly better i just idk...

[hasty stag]

start conditioning your hand through strength training

and stretching

[vapid linden]

Anyone with adhd who play worse on meds?

Or ADD, tomato tomato

[dusk imp]

depends on which med it is

i just take armodafinil now as opposed to something like adderall or vyvanse. it's a really good stimulant without crashes, and lasts significantly longer, no neurotoxicity either

not as strong as traditional stimulants, but it's safer long term

[uneven ivy]

explain

[uneven ivy]

adhd meds that aren't stimulants don't usually work

[dusk imp]

armodafinil is a stimulant...

and plenty of people can have success on non-stimulant medication for treating ADHD

[uneven ivy]

Not what the studies say, at all

[dusk imp]

okay, let's say the "studies" suggest that they don't treat effectively. what do they suggest does then?

[uneven ivy]

metylphenidate based medications and Lisdexamfetamine and such

[dusk imp]

vyvanse isn't methylphenidate (ritalin). they are two completely different medication families

[uneven ivy]

Do you know what the word and means

[dusk imp]

sleep deprivation is real, oops

do you think they are safe and effective longterm, despite their well-documented neurotoxicity and cardiovascular effects?

[uneven ivy]

But anyways, amfetamine and methylphenidate based meds are the ones that work really well, it's just that you have to manage the side effects

yes

there is no toxicity

[dusk imp]

lol

[uneven ivy]

cardiovascular effects depend on the human being and vary depending on the medication

[dusk imp]

even in therapeutic doses neurotoxicity is still present

i had bad cardiovascular effects from years of stimulant use

[uneven ivy]

Not significant enough to not warranting medicating one of the worst mental disorders someone can have

[uneven ivy]

unlucky

[dusk imp]

yea

i don't deny it's effectiveness, but the tradeoff simply wasn't worth it for me. i've found lots of success in alternative ways of treating it

[vapid linden]

I use lisdexamphetamine, Elvanse

[vapid linden]

I feel like i overanalyze my ingame decisions a lot more on my meds, in contrast to not giving any f's when im off them or smoke weed, and i perform way better

[uneven ivy]

lol

[torpid narwhal]

After a week of playing for 12-16 hours a day, I started experiencing pain (like periodic electric shocks) in the nerve area of my hand. Can I assume that this is just overexertion or something similar? Or is it 100% tunnel syndrome?

[keen flicker]

8am sunlight (with exercise if possible, better than gym), (meat, fish- undercooked), broccolis (with sauna if possible), grounding, no 5g, no plastic, alone thinking time, hard mental exercises, antioxidants (natural) - (honey, milk, seasoned eggs - non-pasteurized), seasoned liver; vitamins - B complex, D3, A, K2, Q10, Zinc, selenium (ordered for cheap at compound pharmacies to ease daily routine) - Dr. Andreas Kalcker routine, Dr. Peter McCoulogh routine, Dr. Lair Ribeiro routine(s) ... were things I added to my life that have shown significant improvements on multiple levels, 114 IQ to 130 IQ for example. forfeiting psychic medications have also untangled my thinking processes, anxiety vanished.

[keen flicker]

can you provide info on your posture/hand-arm posture while gaming/training

[torpid narwhal]

I sit with my back bent, leaning slightly on my elbow.

[keen flicker]

your elbow could be pressing ulnar nerve, your hand muscles could be tightening median nerve on the base of your hand, a quick check with a physiotherapist could tell you whats going on. although, leaning forward, even slightly hunched could compromise more than back and elbow, but also your face muscles, neck muscles, even more if you are mouth-opened when gaming

[torpid narwhal]

Ty ill gonna fix my posture, tomorrow ill go to physiotherapist

[keen flicker]

take a look at some aim intensive pros and their posture, some are aiming to not have problems in their future, other are trying every edge in their prime. nevertheless, you can achieve just as much, if not more, with posture and physical practices that are healthy, but focused on your desired area - take as an example Donk, who has one of the most straight forward horizontal aiming focused styles. it's not the best posture one can get, but it's not damaging in the long run.

[gray sapphire]

12-16 hours a day

[dusk imp]

based

[fleet island]

How shall i sit while i play sim trainers and games in general then

[barren glacier]

How high should the desk and chair be for good postures?

[nocturne vessel]

Your legs should be at a 90 degree turn at the knees with feet flat on the ground

[fallen jackal]

@shrewd cradle has video on this stuff

[barren glacier]

Where to find it?

[barren glacier]

Thanks friend. What about elbow placement?

[fallen jackal]

Search up imbenstaudt on YouTube and go to his most popular vids and click on the posture one

[nocturne vessel]

I dont even know myself I just play whats most comfortable for me

[cerulean dome]

@empty pendant

[empty pendant]

passsing up free money smh.

[plush canyon]

fake

[calm storm]

Hey, Im getting back into aimtraining, and I've been trying to take it serious, so I've been trying wrist stretches etc, but I have hypermobility in fingers/hands, and im genuinely not sure what stretches to do, or rather what to avoid. Any tips?

[native flume]

random question, i have no pain or anything in my wrists and fingers but everytime i roll it around (to the right in specific) it makes dozens of little popping sounds every time

is that bad?

[sage perch]

@velvet spindle

[kindred galleon]

Go through the motions, dont stretch to the most extreme but get the blood flowing

[cerulean dome]

@summer trout

[summer trout]

ty

[cerulean dome]

np

[tough oyster]

how do you fix shoulder soreness?

[tired marten]

is that k3soju lol

[heavy thistle]

Do you guys think its better flr me to do the vdim playlists in 30 mintie intervals? My eyes get sore whenever i aim train so instead of doing a 1 hour long session i just split it into chucnks?

Thoughts?

[cerulean dome]

@wild grove

[ebon elk]

can listening to music while sleeping affect improvement on aiming? 💀

[cerulean dome]

kinda

because if you think about it, you learn in your sleep, and if youre listening to music while sleeping youre most likely relaxed having good sleep, and when you have good sleep that improves every other aspect of you meaning the learning part that will translate to a better performance when aiming because you "learnt" better

[ebon elk]

actually ita asmr 💀

im so cooked

so tahts why my aim improvement slowly prog

k switchin to music now

[cerulean dome]

if it isnt ear bleeding asmr it should be fine

[ebon elk]

smth like ear picking typa

on like 25% volum

can tbe bad right?

[cerulean dome]

if it aint too loud

it should be fine

put it at like its background noise level

[ancient kelp]

I am looking for decent routine for arm stretching

[robust bough]

@summer trout scam

[cedar plover]

for normal people music doesn't make it better or worse, but if have problems sleeping then yeah

[winged flower]

Anyone with Connective Tissue Dysplasia here?
how does it affect your aim

[unique mist]

How to make my arms sweat less? I sit with two open windows when outside is a winter and they anyway sweat

[edgy rose]

any1 ever had pain in these areas and along the whole arm? i have this problem even when im doing something repetitive phisically or just carrying bags after 5/10 mins, only on my right hand, the side of the hand on the pinky side also hurts alot when doing it

[tranquil sand]

What type

[winged flower]

EDS

[tranquil sand]

causes excess tension and spasms but it probably varies person to person

[winged flower]

me fr

[grave vale]

I'm panicking, I'm trying but I'm never making progress. What frustrates me is that I'm the only one. I'm trying to understand the advice but I don't understand anything.

[pine mango]

Im hoping somebody knowledgeable can help me with a wrist issue. I have been training for a few weeks on kovakks, however, ive noticed my wrist has become sore in my aiming hand. This makes my aim choppy and undesirable. I have been prioritizing proper form with my arm all the way on the table, back straight etc. So my question is, should I take a few days off aiming, also, would resistance training my hand/wrist muscles prevent aim related soreness in the future? Bonus question, Do yall think muscle mass has an effect of aim capability? For example, would Ronnie Coleman in his prime, given he took aim training seriously, be hindered by his muscle mass, or would it not have an effect?

[ancient kelp]

I am pretty buffed guy and never experienced those issuesn

But i stretch entire body everyday

Also u should take short breaks between few scenarios snd just shake wrist or smth

[grave vale]

Please ?!

[ancient kelp]

You probably refuse to listen and keep being stubborn

[grave vale]

I'm listening, but I'm having trouble applying the advice. my brain is blocked

[pine mango]

@ancient kelp Do you train forearms/grip strength, Mr. Buffed Guy? my wrist feels like I did a heavy set of wrist curls. I am a avid gym-goer, but never train forearms because I feel like having small forearms makes my upper arm look bigger, im also lazy 🤣 . I've also always used straps on back exercises as to not be hindered by grip strength. My question is, do you think resistance training my forearms and wrist would help my wrist not be fatigued by aiming?

[ancient kelp]

I do train forearms but generally your aim is gonna be shitty afdter that

[ancient kelp]

I do train forearm and grip strength

[grave vale]

@ancient kelp Thank you for not helping me; the channel is supposedly called health Mental.

[ancient kelp]

You just proven my point

actually

wtf

[grave vale]

You're not listening to me either when I say my brain refuses to keep up. My body is so stressed that it has trouble understanding what the person I'm talking to is saying.

[pine mango]

Play more and breath, focus on not tensing up your arm when in gunfights. not panicking dosent happen overnight, jsut got to work on it man

[ancient kelp]

You seem to make excuses

idk what u meant about panicking

just analyse what u do

and see what u can do better

as simple as it gets

[grave vale]

I panic all the time

[grave vale]

of repeated defeat and mockery, and I have trouble analyzing my game. It's becoming confusing

[dusty sleet]

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[cedar plover]

had it in the past from constantly leaning on elbow, something something ulnar nerve. numb pinkie and unpleasant sensations

resolved itself over month when I started focusing on not straining it (so, no leaning etc) and did some stretches to move nerve around, but mileage may vary. also i now use soft thing under this arm to not compress arm into desk).
main thing is to try and identify actual repetitive thing you do to arm which causes this, not something which triggers it, and avoid it and let it heal

[edgy rose]

i feel it mainly when carrying heavy stuff around like work or grocery bags but now that u tell me that i think i press my arm down when playing, ill try being mindful about it 😁

[cedar plover]

I have small thin beanie folded under left arm. maybe something like flat sock as well, or just any not too thick soft material (like dust cloth) may work. I also used to hard lean on it (to hold head when bored) and I think that was main thing, and after inflamation started it'd flare up on almost any pressure or usage and force me to stretch it, relax it by hanging freely on my side etc.
not as bad as carpal I reckon, but still unpleasant as hell. at least it's not as sensitive as wrist RSIs because problem originates in elbow

something like holding phone a lot in bed can also affect it or sleep posture

carrying heavy things uses grip so it can affect grip so yeah, can explain why it shows when you do it

[hasty stag]

we are not your therapists

[grave vale]

What is the purpose of the health channel?

[ancient kelp]

Set smaller goals, take a break, hit the gym

or look at what u acomplished already and enjoy it for abit

[grave vale]

I already go to the gym and it's practically the same thing; I'm not progressing because I'm constantly stressed, which makes me feel weak. At the gym, I pay a coach; thanks to him, I stay alive.

[grave vale]

a more modest objective, that is to say

[hasty stag]

i don't wanna be mean but you clearly have issues that we can't handle, you have to work with professionals

advice from us could even hurt you

[grave vale]

It says "mental" at the end and I'll take all the advice and I need to try it out.

[zenith hollow]

what the helly

[hazy epoch]

@empty pendant

#prime 🤑

[empty pendant]

free money <3

[cerulean dome]

@empty pendant there's 2 giving money

[cerulean dome]

@empty pendant

[sinful plinth]

I've quit playing games for a about 4-5months sub 10hrs in those months and just now coming and i cant play r5 or overwatch for more than 5 mins without a fuckton of pain in my elbow tricep and going into the right side of my wrist. Before I could aim train and grind for literally 16hrs straight minimal pain or discomfort. Have the muscle groups just gotten weaker or is another form of injury is should do an exercise for/stretch

[cedar plover]

i mean, if whole arm hurts from 5 mins... definitely health issues. It doesn't happen naturally. Don't you use mouse in daily life? do you death grip? do you use 100 cm/360? does your mouse weight 1kg?

[sinful plinth]

nah i've been using the laptop pad thing only use it for school. 28-32cm iirc and i think its like 57 grams. i use light tension when tracking just like a used but not death grip. i used to death grip to where my thumb would go numb.

idk ill prob just have to grind through the pain until it either gets better or gets worse and ill stop try something else

[cedar plover]

i'd recommend to pushing through pain, it's never good sign

try other arm maybe just to test if it's mouse arm or both

[open holly]

i need a video, i dont understand this at all

[open holly]

some sort of tendonitis maybe, like lots of pain?

using your muscles shouldnt give a bunch of pain, unless you exercise a bunch and are heavily sore

[grave vale]

👋Is there an exercise I can do before playing to stay focused, avoid stress, and prevent negative thinking?

[open holly]

sounds like you need to meditate or do some yoga

meditating can be as simple as sitting still and doing nothing for 5 minutes

[hasty stag]

basically push one of your fingers down into the palm, hold other 3 up

[open holly]

ah yea that makes sense, the graphic had my head spinning

[worthy phoenix]

Do you all feel like the general pain/stiffness in your hand went away after training for a while? I remember when I played Osu with tablet I had bad pain for a month or two and that eventually subsided as the muscle strengthened. I'm imagining something similar will happen with aim training?

[heavy thistle]

can coffee fuck up aim training?

faster heart rate and all?

[unreal kettle]

@wheat charm I'm basically a millionaire by now

[unreal kettle]

It helps actually

Faster reaction time

[heavy thistle]

[vapid linden]

No but if ur sensitive to stims in general you can get shaky

[ancient kelp]

Do stretching before its too late

I necer had pain while playing osu and usually when people do they stop

[hollow yacht]

Hi can someone help me with my problems. The current problems im facing right now is pinky/ring finger and wrist numbing and tingling also when going to the gym my wrist hurts. could anyone help me with this?

[keen flicker]

feet flat on the ground, back rested on chair a little over 90 degrees (with lumbar support if possible, office chairs basically), elbow angle is preference (although 90 degrees will be better for posture, but worse for skin drag coeficient - depends on aiming style), chin tucked, mouth closed, tongue resting suctioned at the roof (if silent gaming). 15 min walk on grass (grounded) before any practice or game will provide better results - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31977638/; https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1875952123000733

[vapid linden]

First half was so good then you went schizo

[onyx sphinx]

does your wrist/fingers hurt when you try to force/make certain motions. try to move your hand in certain directions and use your other hand to resist the movement.

[shell delta]

@summer trout

scams :3

[ebon oasis]

How do people aim train without their wrists killing after a few days , just started done like 14 hours last 7-10 days and now my wrist is killing and my aim is worse cus of that , any advice ?

[cerulean dome]

stretch

@empty pendant we have 2 people giving money

atp everyone in voltaic is a milionaire

[deep dock]

I get pain in the back of my shoulder when aim training not sure why

[teal crystal]

I get a feeling of dizziness/nausea when tracking and I feel like it's holding me back from actually aim training daily/bi daily or just most days.

This does sometimes happen in game and in real life, but never to this extent and also due to some other medical factors. I play on a 300hz monitor, and on especially frantic moving targets I think my eyes dart around a lot, I recently got rid of all hud features because I would lose focus when looking at them and it would make me sick again while trying to re-focus on the ball but this has been a constant thing for the 60+ hours I've aim trained on Kovaak's.

[untold anvil]

check it out with your doctor if theres any way you can lessen the effect

[untold anvil]

train your wrists lol

[teal crystal]

Thank you, I've already told my doctor about the dizziness thing and I need to go for a checkup soon about it.

[untold anvil]

and maybe take breaks inbetween sessions

maybe that can help

[teal crystal]

I try but going back into it even after a break, it comes back. I used to be consistent and daily with it but after the dizziness stuff happened I couldn't really bring myself to open Kovaaks and try again cause of it

[untold anvil]

shit sounds like a sad story

i feel bad for you gang

[teal crystal]

😭 It sucks but at least some of the aim is still in me...

[untold anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-kovaaks-aimlabs-ratspin-voltaic-gif-12741477814851601312

[keen flicker]

ah yes, because "hollistic" and memefied, right? i fight for my health. even with research sources you still deemed schizo because you spend all day reading tiktok bot comments saying "tiktok knowledge" even on the most basic effective science. conspiracy and all 🤣

[keen flicker]

panicking out of performance anxiety probably. something that used to happen to me 6 years ago. taking prescribed medicine didn't fix it, it just removed something out of me. this isn't A solution, but one step: turn your brain off when practicing, just do it, of course, after you've taken care of your physical health. this method helped me enter the Zone more frequently, allowing me to have room to think IF needed. just do it

[keen flicker]

i started drinking coffee late 2024, i felt everything slow down, i could move almost twice as fast, but in axiety inducing scenarios such as clutches, my heart rate became a problem. it isn't recommended to remain sit immediately after ingesting caffeine, or have coffee on an empty stomach (professional advice and personal experience), nor have it with too much sugar.

[rare swan]

Hi, can I get some help regarding ergonomics, ive been trying to adjust and follow general guidelines. However, I keep getting pain (annoying enough to make me want to stop). Could anyone help me out please. i realise i should consult a professional but still would like some advice and another perspective on the situation.

[uneven ivy]

Where is the pain

[rare swan]

Shoulder or Traps

[uneven ivy]

bring ur shoulders down

[rare swan]

It’s specifically my right side, don’t know if that influences it

[uneven ivy]

Start from bringing down your shoulder, then have your arm go down by your side, and just flex from the elbow to touch they mouse

[rare swan]

Alright thank you

[uneven ivy]

If your shoulders are raised, it's such a weird posture that youll get pain in all kinds of different muscles

[cerulean dome]

@summer trout

[quick dust]

i highly recommend doing whats most comfortable and minimizes pain while playing. combine that with some general resistance/strength training. youd be surprised how much having a bit of strength in muscles that support your spine help posture and reduce posture related pain

i personally dont think there is an "optimal" posture to reduce pain outside of the general ergonomic advice that im sure youre already aware of

[ebon elk]

is there anyway to fix shaky hands?

[zealous spindle]

I started VDIM on Jan 1st, went from iron/bronze to gold complete by Jan 21st. Trained daily for around 1h (occasionally 2h+, sometimes less), I didn't manage tension or take mini-breaks, ignorant of the risk.

I suddenly felt moderate wrist pain on the 21st, and immediately stopped training. It's been over a week with no training since, and the pain hasn't gone away.
I still get minor discomfort in my wrist, forearm, and fingers (like 2/10 pain) during general light mouse use for work. Ulnar deviation (pictured) causes 10/10 pain though, I can't do it at all. I tried yesterday for half a second and it caused my fingers, wrist and forearm to hurt all day. Frustratingly I've also had to stop the gym, most free weight movements aggravate it.

Anyone else have a similar experience? How long was recovery? I'm assuming this is fairly common occurrence with new players, is it? My action plan is to keep off of it for another week, then introduce gentle training again if pain free. I'm going to introduce rest days twice a week, and start introducing mini-breaks every 10 mins or so during sessions. I think tension management is likely a huge factor here too, I was prob death gripping the mouse throughout training, I'll learn to manage that. I'm curious to hear whether that plan sounds reasonable (Sorry for the blog post)

[cerulean dome]

I started to fell a lot of pain today and did some stretching to aliviate the pain what should I do to not stop grinding and not feel pain

[hazy epoch]

strengthening

[cerulean dome]

@summer trout

[summer trout]

no way logan paul!

[gusty elk]

Does anyone had advice to efficiently deal with dry eyes? I've noticed my dry eyes are even worse than usual today and the usual eye drops I take are doing absolutely nothing and it's making me punt so many pbs

[velvet night]

It is most likely an overuse issue with a tendon, you should take a break and rest, during this rest slowly reintroduce yourself to as much pain free range of motion as you can through stretching and just moving your wrist around without resistance then with resistance strengthening the wrist through extension flexion etc etc. everything in that image as well as grip ideally going to the point before it starts hurting, I find it to be easiest to perform most of these with a resistance band though it’s a bit harder to standardize reps. Isometrics both yielding and overcoming will probably be best at least initially especially for training ulnar deviation. I had a similar problem once and this is the jist of what I did in physical therapy, recovery will take a little bit but the main thing is staying consistent even when the pain goes away.

[empty pendant]

If long pc hours, staring at a screen like that will not make it better.
OTC eye drops may be effective, worst case, see a doctor if persists or other side effects come up

[keen flicker]

i wash my eyes with saline water when it doesn't lubricate itself, eye drops have never worked for me.

[river lodge]

Another one bites the dust

[zealous spindle]

Will keep this in mind, thanks. Good to hear you recovered, how long did it take you?

[cerulean dome]

@summer trout

[cerulean dome]

@velvet spindle 2 of em

[cerulean dome]

@strong mason logan paul is giving away money

[velvet night]

Around a month but I had an issue with my elbow as well

[zealous spindle]

the things we do to ourselves 😆

[fringe reef]

Anyone here takes bupropion? I got prescribed it as off label adhd med and my heart rate and palpitations is literally bouncing up and down i wonder if anyone experienced that before

[surreal sequoia]

Yeah, blood pressure and resting heart rate through the roof for me

[fringe reef]

Yea ngl I'm not taking that shit again last time i took my amitriptyline while the bupropion was in my system it made things worse i should've went to the er last time the heart rate was extremely fast after i took my amitriptyline

I am lowkey actually aiming better but i think i need some other med I'm pushing for a stimulant though i want to see if I'm better off with them or least get those out the way if they don't work instead of going through the trial and error with the other non stimulants for adhd I've gone through trial and error for my migraines and headaches i don't want to waste years like i did for that

[rose vale]

well after all this time I asked many many questions and got told to be tested I've been diagnosed with undefined adhd, social anxiety disorder, generalized anxiety disorder and depressive disorder. If anyone has any tips or anything that they do to help themselves lmk cuz I'm always down to try different things

[rose vale]

I'm on 300mg of bupropion as well as atomoxetine 60mg, I think at 150 it wasn't bad but a month in after I increased to 300mg I started noticing being stressed more and higher heart rate/some form of shallow breathing or a tight chest idk how to explain it

I believe my heart rate was always high in social situations tho, around 120-130. so I don't know for sure if bupropion has effected that at all for me

[fringe reef]

I'm level 2 autism but i was told they can work around the adhd diagnosis needed to prescribe a stimulant i asked if they can reinstate the adhd diagnosis cause anytime i did neuropysch testing growing up i answer questions avoided diagnosis cause i didn't want to be on meds i was going through my old documents and as far back as 2nd grade i actually had the adhd diagnosis and my school records shows alot of adhd symptoms they kinda brought up my ocd diagnosis cause they think differently what could be causing issues but the thing is people can have all 3 they walk around things

[fringe reef]

Have you ever go to doctors and have any heart rate above 100 without meds and just resting level?

[rose vale]

not that I can remember but I can go check like visit reports. I remember being in high school off meds and even hitting like 140 resting heartrate

[fringe reef]

Like i have tachycardia I'm gonna get any possible heart conditions ruled out cause I'm trying for the stimulant and made that aware to my pcp and cardiologist i also told the cardiologist I'm concerned it's pots cause i have fibromyalgia and it can be common for people to have both

[fringe reef]

Yea that's tachycardia

[rose vale]

I wasn't sure if it was that or the social anxiety

the cause I mean idk what caused it

I need to get a fitbit and track my heartrate when I'm alone and not in public as well

[fringe reef]

I mean that wouldn't hurt you could get a smart watch idk about apple but i know samsung ones does the heart rate

[rose vale]

yeaaaaaa I'm just not a fan or spending alot of money

my heartrate rn just sitting here is I believe 120? I did a workout but that was def like 2 hrs ago I think

then again I have no idea if that's cuz of GAD or a medicine side effect

lemme check visits before I was on bupropion

also last visit my blood pressure was 140/90

with uhhh 121 pulse

when I was only on zoloft I had a 70bpm pulse

it's really hard to tell but I think the higher bpm in public is just anxiety but based on what I'm seeing it might be the atomoxetine

[fringe reef]

I mean your heart rate always goes up with activity but i think what's more important is resting level like for instance i can get 130-150+ at resting levels

[rose vale]

yea my resting is 120 currently

[fringe reef]

I wonder @rose vale do you by any chance have inconsistent reaction times? I bounce up and down sometime i have the most insane reaction times and i have ones that aboves the avg of 200ms that's another reason why i want a med that can bring me to normal function levels

[rose vale]

actually yea but I never noticed it until I got tested.

there was this reaction time test thing and it fluctuated a lot

[fringe reef]

Yea sometimes I'll have reaction times in the 120-150ms range then I'll bounce to like 220ms

[rose vale]

I think I was like zoning out or something

I remember focusing and then thinking about stuff then telling myself to focus again lmfao

[fringe reef]

Idk i feel like i can focus but no matter how focus i am i still bounce

[rose vale]

I think it was especially because it was long and boring tho

[fringe reef]

I feel that

[rose vale]

it could be worse for me idk I was on 2 non stimulant meds when I was taking the test so

[fringe reef]

What's weird is i know they focus on working memory for adhd but that I'll bounce from below avg to avg and sometimes had scores in the above avg

[rose vale]

it really effects me when playing games tho I notice it alot

the amount of times I auto pilot, forget a comm that someone just said, get overwhelmed very easily and can't think straight or slow down, comms being told multiple times before I finally process it

stuff like that

and irl as well I have terrible memory and mental fatigue

[fringe reef]

Lowkey i think playing alot of games especially challenging ones that was rated M which i shouldn't of played at a very young aged helped me with working memory

But my processing speed always been low which is why i want a stimulant cause trying to learn especially things I'm interested in i lose interest and i multitask and i drop what I'm doing

I told the pyschiatrist that i don't want the med to gain advantage in things cause i know alot of people fosh for that but i want it so i cam learn and push through things and i would actually benefit from cognitive behavioral therapy and stuff if i was on a med like that there's a lot of pros than cons in the way i want go about it

[deep dock]

trap/shoulder hurts while playing, tried raising my chair issue still persisting, am I just raising my shoulders subconsciously?

[cerulean dome]

@wild grove

[high oak]

Hello everyone!

I having some trouble here. After playing a match that made me nervous or anxious my arm start shaking a little bit. It gets worse when I try to do any kind of effort (shoot or tracking, e.g.). What can I do to stop this? Should I see a doctor? Exercise those muscle groups help?

[grave vale]

I might have an autism spectrum disorder, I don't know if that's why I'm bad at everything, every time I get anxious

[cerulean dome]

@velvet spindle who should I ping next when someone types this

[velvet spindle]

anyone on the mod team is fine

[jolly merlin]

sry i got hacked

[cerulean dome]

yes but choose one

[velvet spindle]

go for wawe

[cerulean dome]

bet

[rose vale]

I personally don't think that me taking meds is gaining an advantage because my at my base self is already at a disadvantage

I kinda think of it as just stabilizing it

[fringe reef]

I kinda look at it as an advantage cause i already play at a high level without it and really improved my aim i think it would put me at an unfair advantage cause I'll have the consistency i don't have

[rose vale]

ehh for me it's not. my memory, motivation and mental fatigue is just cooked the entire day despite how healthy I try to be with eating, physical activity and sleep. No matter how hard I wanna play even after 1 match I'm almost so mentally tired it's impossible to not lay down

my anxiety makes me tense all the time and my hands are shaky so medium to fast sens is harder to control and my wrist/arm fatigue very fast

even my jaw when I'm aim training lmfao

[grave vale]

Please

[kindred galleon]

What's the actual question you're asking ?

[grave vale]

Myvquestion Is that related? I've noticed I have trouble analyzing my game or thinking clearly.

[stiff topaz]

Yo, can anyone direct me to some resources regarding caffeine usage for gaming?

I'm basically drinkng 1 can of monster daily (i drink it throughout a ~5, hour period, usually from 10 to 15) and I'm worried that this could have some bad health results or that I've gained caffeine tolerance cuz i just dont really feel it working

[hasty stag]

@velvet spindle

[vital garnet]

the bigger issue here is that this intake will eventually destroy your liver and kidneys

[stiff topaz]

What would you recommend? Quitting?

[real canyon]

dont use caffeine

easu

[vital garnet]

If you need caffeine, swapping to coffee or even black tea would be a good start. I'm also not saying that you should quit drinking altogether, but one can daily is a hefty dose.

[real canyon]

just hydrate and work to improve your sleep

[vital garnet]

But yeah, enough water and sleep are the best option.

[stiff topaz]

I was thinking about this, quitting caffeine alltogether (or switching to like 1 coffee a day or sth with ~60mg of caffeine) and then only drinking energy drinks for tournaments

[real canyon]

I avoid caffeine at all costs

[stiff topaz]

I drink a lot of water so i got that figured out, sleep definitely could use some improvement

[real canyon]

most I have it in is tea

[stiff topaz]

Just for long term health reasons or are you worried about developing an addiction?

[uneven ivy]

Well, why are you drinking it

is the bigger question

[real canyon]

long term health reasons and no actual reason for it

worst case scenario I wake up tired

but at least I'm not stimulating myself to stay awake

[stiff topaz]

i started cuz i liked the taste and then it kinda became a routine (i used it to give myself a treat basically)

[grave vale]

??

[tidal leaf]

Hey, aimers. Has anyone else experienced generalized anxiety disorder? Can it seriously hinder and slow down progress?

Or is this just an excuse?

[grave vale]

I have the same problem as you. It's too hard, people are fake and ungrateful. I've already asked the question and was ignored. It's like streamers who are good and become ungrateful, and when they have problems, they get no help.

[wheat thunder]

Can you elaborate? What is your experience with anxiety and how is it currently interacting with your practice?

[tidal leaf]

It's really a pity... I had my first major panic attack in early January 2024, but then, after a full examination, I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder. I began to notice in games how this affects progress

[tidal leaf]

Honestly, it's hard to call it a struggle with anxiety)) I was prescribed zoloft and atarax. I have been taking zoloft since April. I take Atarax according to situations and most often when I go out in public. I actually have a lot of symptoms, but each one is different. I went to psychotherapists for cognitive behavioral therapy, but it didn't do me any good

[grave vale]

I've been anxious like this for 5 years. No one wanted to listen to me, and you would think that a psychologist would help, but it only makes you suffer even more. The only way is to be with people who will help you in every way, but given the world of assholes we live in...

[tidal leaf]

I agree

[grave vale]

I'm warning you in advance, no one is going to reply to you. They're going to answer you, they can't do anything about it, but they're big liars. As I said, to make progress you need to have good people who are there with you regularly.

[wheat thunder]

Not sure what this other guy is on about but I'm sorry to hear that. I won't act like I've been through that, but if there's something specific about how that's showing up in your gaming you could share it might be easier for people to offer advice

[high oak]

Hi! Two of those links at the Nutrition section doesn't work anymore

[severe fern]

This is normal

[severe fern]

I'm unnecessarily tensing my neck and it's affecting my runs. What are some possible facors? (monitor height, posture, etc)
My default solution atm is to slouch a bit when I notice it, and that really helps for some reason

[grave vale]

@tidal leaf

[fallen jackal]

This is a mental thing

[hollow yacht]

Hello can anyone guide/help me with these next following things?
Elbow pain, Tingling and numbness in pinky/ring finger, wrist pain and super tight forearm and hand muscles.

I was thinking of trying to get help from 1hp but im not sure if anyone has past experiences with them let me know

These problems affect my gaming and gym going

[hazy epoch]

@summer trout

ca$h 🤑

[ebon elk]

are there anyways to help with learning habits

[cerulean dome]

@empty pendant

[cerulean dome]

@summer trout go for gold

[rose vale]

what abt soda? I assume if you did, you would drink zero sugar ones that aren't caffeinated like sprite. Unless you just don't drink that either

I used to have alot more caffiene but I started relying on zero sugar soda lol

[ebon elk]

how do i deal with arm fatigue beside rest?

[broken spruce]

i sleep 10+ hrs and wake up to red eyes, the sleep amount should be enough and been getting 8+ hrs but my eyes stay red

[uneven ivy]

dry air is pretty common in the winter

[tired grail]

vro im pretty sure sleeping more than needed is bad

[broken spruce]

maybe maybve

[deep crow]

hello

is somebody there?

[wheat thunder]

Definitely a physical therapy angle. Try and find a professional if you can afford it. If it’s affecting more than gaming I’d try and find an in person provider

[hollow yacht]

Do you think i should book an consultation on 1hp?

[wheat thunder]

I’ve never used it but my feeling would be to go to someone in person so they can physically examine you etc

[velvet night]

Nerve issues, there is a lot to learn online for free if you can be bothered but I recommend you just find a PT or coach or something similar with good reputation if you don’t care for spending money

Nerve flossing stretching/moving in ranges you can tolerate trying to maintain good posture and a lot of patience with good nutrition will help, very generic advice that will apply to almost anyone in your situation but getting specialized help for your situation will be best

[river lodge]

Feeling some fatigue in my wrist. Is it better to rest it to full and stretch. Or should I stretch it now while it feels tweaky.

[broken ore]

I have a eye tic and it effects my performance while aiming and it always distracts me I cant focus at all. Is there anything I could try? Should I just go to a psychologist to get something prescribed

also have some sort of big focusing problems

[uneven ivy]

ok north korea

[rose vale]

are you already taking medication?

and make sure to get sleep, not drinking too much caffiene and reducing stress if any of those can be a cause

and obviously drink water

[solid loom]

I should blink meanwhile aim training right? my eyes get super tired during tracking scenarios

[ebon elk]

i see some dust in my eye when i play kovaak on white theme

[broken ore]

Recently my eyes start watering and my vision gets slightly blurry after looking at my computer for about 20 minutes how can I fix this?

[fallen jackal]

Get sunlight

[broken sky]

fun fact this is how i do those exercises

https://youtu.be/-b7ItCmvUio?si=OibtBLPYh-2f6uP0,

[fringe reef]

@rose vale so i moved to an in person pyschiatrist who apparently has about 30 years of experience i started the first appointment why i changed prescribers i told him what I'm looking for he asked me why i want a stimulant and what benefits i think i would gain from it i told him about i want to get on meds that can regulate my brain cause it's hard to get motivated to learn stuff even stuff I'm interested in i told them i always bounce in performance with anything i do i want to also get back into stuff like speech therapy and other things and think a med like that will greatly improve the effectiveness he said he would want to start me on one but said i need to do a test called creyos to see if i actually have adhd and need a clearance letter from my cardiologist stating it's a safe option for me

I did asked them for what other non stimulant options than wellbutrin i can take with my amitriptyline cause i tried tamper off of it but things got worse especially my carpal tunnel so I'm staying on it he gave me strattera to try i don't think it'll work but doesn't hurt to get that out of the way i do have an echo for my heart next week i might see if my heart doctor will clear me if that comes back normal before my 2 week holter monitor results come back in march i have an appointment in april but i really don't want to keep waiting wasting time i want to start effective treatment asap

I'm not worried about adhd performance test i definitely have it and the documentation to prove it under the dsm-5-tr which is the changes of criteria and stuff an adult looking for adhd diagnosis most likely gonna have to provide childhood documents that shows signs and stuff at age 12-under which surprisingly i managed to get which should've gotten destroyed i understand the problem with adhd diagnosis in america and that they're trying to set guidelines to stop or slow down over diagnosing

[grave vale]

The person is me; I asked almost the same question as him, but I haven't received any answers.

[pliant stirrup]

Is it better to slightly float your wrist on the mousepad or have it touching against the mouse pad when gaming? I’m asking from a health perspective

[spark flare]

I think it would depend how high you are on your chair compared to your desk

If you're a lot lower down, having your arms raised would probably be worse

Vice versa

[pliant stirrup]

My forearms are 90 degrees when I’m sitting down atm

Like would it be better health wise to have my forearms resting on pad, with wrist slightly raised, or wrists also resting on pad ?

[spark flare]

Don't take my word for it, since I'm not educated in this area at all really, but on first impression it would make more sense having your forearms and wrists resting

But you should also get up to stretch every hour or so anyway, so just include some wrist exercises if you're worried

[fringe lynx]

Does anyone have a good workout regiment specifically for maintaining wrist health? For RSI from gaming

[grizzled talon]

This is not only about aiming but stamina heavy games in general, does stretching my wrist might end up recovering my stamina for a time?

I keep noticing everytime i stretch my tired wrist in stamina heavy games like gd, osu, etc... i can keep spamming perfectly

[opaque wadi]

ive been having the same thing but only in kovaaks, when im playing a normal game my eyes are fine

[wild scaffold]

i need some advice, just recently started aim training, but whenever i do, my right eye waters constantly the whole time, yet whenever i play a game for hours on end for example, it doesnt water at all im really confused on why it is, ive never had any issues before

[hasty stag]

what theme do you use?

[wild scaffold]

clover static

[hasty stag]

for everything?

[wild scaffold]

yes

[hasty stag]

i'd experiment with using some darker wall themes, and more importantly textured walls for scenarios that have moving bots

[wild scaffold]

am i able to change the color of themes on kovacks?

[hasty stag]

ya, you can also find some on kvk-hub.app

[wild scaffold]

is there a tut on how too somewhere, ima check out kvk-hub.app too

[hasty stag]

just go to visuals tab in settings

u can choose materials, colors etc

[wild scaffold]

appreciate you bro

[meager skiff]

Is using 107,2 edpi too low or bad for health while playing games such as cs2 or valorant?

[hazy epoch]

what is that in normal terms

edpi is very outdated and not useful

[meager skiff]

Cm/360°
121.855

[hazy epoch]

quite low for both of those games

[wheat nexus]

Mods get his balls

[flat stone]

holy

[fringe reef]

Holy hell i tried strattera and instead of doing anything it made me really tired

[cerulean dome]

@empty pendant

[severe fern]

My shoulder's actually hurting pretty bad rn

I've been playing a mix of things, but also a lot of static. But not hours per day

My posture is good. I'm sitting right next to the table, my elbow makes a natural 90* angle right by my side

What can I do? Played like 20 minutes of static rn and couldn't go past that

[cerulean dome]

@tulip notch

[rose vale]

is there like a reason for an uncomfy feeling around this area?

kinda like a random spot so like idek

[grim fable]

any tips on better sleep 💔 been taking melatonin all my life and barely works anymore. Been laying in bed for 4 hours now and can’t fall asleep. Hate feeling sluggish and slow next day due to bad sleep.

[dawn jewel]

try sports or smth that can get u tired, and dont eat idk 2 hrs before bed, try being off screens too before sleep.. make sure the room is dark and a bit cold thats what i always hear.
what works for me too is when falling asleep, waking up earlier like only sleeping 6 to 7 hrs and the next day going to sleep abit early.. u repeat that untill u fix ur sleep

[uneven ivy]

Doctor

also sleep hygiene: go to be when you're tired, sleep at the same time, get out of bed when you are not sleeping, do not stay in bed for any other reason other than sleeping

If your rhythm is cooked, you could try waking a bit earlier than usually, not taking naps and then going to sleep early

[grim fable]

have been to doctor sadly. I’ve tried most meds my insurance will cover. Ambien works great but lots of reports of sleep walking etc so i’m worried to use it again

[dark wave]

pinky hurts wwhen aiming

[cerulean dome]

@wheat charm

[fringe reef]

@rose vale my brain is cooked i scored the highest you can for adhd symptoms on the performance test

[fringe reef]

Even though amitriptyline is great for nerve pain and pain in general they also prescribe it for sleep i tried getting off of it and man i kept waking up like 10 times a night it's a good pill for sleep

[grim fable]

i’ll look into it

[fringe reef]

It's a tricycle antidepressant your doctor probably tried the main sleeping meds but there's meds that can have heavy sedation to help with sleep the one i have for my nerve pain is one of them and if you deal with body pain you'll probably feel better on it cause the med boost the serotonin in your system

[grim fable]

does it make you groggy next day? that’s another reason i stay away from ambien

[fringe reef]

For me it did because i was on a high dose but it's something that goes away and gets better for nerve pain they put you on a higher dose but it can be 10mg it might still be worth trying

It's like a med that you take 2 hours before sleeping like if you go to bed around 10-11 pm you take it 1-2 hours before

But i would say the groggy feeling for me is probably worse cause i have chronic fatigue

[rose vale]

Real

Can people stop getting their accounts hacked

[fringe reef]

LMFAOOOOOOOO

You can't fix stupid sadly

[rose vale]

Stop clicking on the free robux button

[fringe reef]

Well now least I'm 1 step closer to stimulants i just need my cardiologist clearance i had an echo done which came back perfectly normal just need the doctor to look at it and see if it's enough to clear without the holter monitor results I'm on 2 weeks so first week of march i have to mail it out and it'll take 2 weeks and that means I'll have to wait for beginning of april if he needs that first

[merry bough]

@ionic atlas

sorry if im not suposed to ping

[fringe reef]

I'm gonna try to get a med that works for like 10 hours for days i want to be productive and one that works for like 3-5 hours if i want to be productive but not all day cause i want to have off days and stuff so I'm not taking it everyday i think everyday would be way too much

[tired grail]

my psychiatrist gave me adhd meds without checking anything outside of my blood work 🥀

and it doesnt even work

or maybe im expecting too much

idk

[fringe reef]

That's bad cause cautious pyschs make sure your heart can handle it i had to change my pysch cause the first one only really wanted to do non stimulants but with me being on amitriptyline only gives me 3 options and i exhausted 2 already the last one is blood pressure med that lowers it but i have perfect blood pressure so it doesn't make sense to take a pill that'll lower it

[fringe reef]

The thing is nowadays it's extremely easy to get adhd diagnosis that's why some places people will make you do more tests than other pyschiatrist or psychologist would everyone is different i have a friend who isn't even adhd and was given ritalin off label for depression and it made his anxiety worse and i was like wtf why would they give you that it's clearly abuse of writing scripts

Did you do any kind of test or was it questions that's related to adhd

[tired grail]

This doesnt really happen in my country tho

i went to get diagnosed for smth else

and after i got diagnosed this thing

psychiatrist mentionned i probably have adhd

[fringe reef]

It's easy in the us but not everyone is willing to do testing or prescribe because how many people want or try to get on stimulant meds

[tired grail]

then made me a "test" which was pretty much asking question to me and my mom

the other thing being autism

🥀

as far as i know this has a tendency to kinda change how adhd affects someone

[fringe reef]

I had to do a performance test even though i provided him the required documents under dsm5 cause if you have documents that shows the symptoms from age 12 and under they can be used but he wanted me to do that test

[fringe reef]

People can have both it's called audhd

[tired grail]

i answered some questions about adhd from dsm5

didn't do any kind of performance test

[fringe reef]

I have autism lvl 2 which is moderate

[tired grail]

ye i know

[fringe reef]

I want the stimulant cause I'm tired of always being fatigued and chronic brain fog my forehead always feels like it has a brick in it

[tired grail]

tbh idk i might aswell be wrongly diagnosed since i tried basic ritalin and ritalin LA and now im on concerta

which doesn't change much

30mg aswell

so not a super low dosage

[tired grail]

never heard of levels existing icl

[fringe reef]

Yea they changed how it is level 1 is basically what aspergers was

[fringe reef]

Have you tried adderall or vyvanse cause when it comes to stimulants it's like other pills some don't work while some do it also depends on the dose

[tired grail]

Adderall is completely illegal for me

didn't try vyvanse

guess its what i will try next if concerta doesnt help

[fringe reef]

I'm gonna try for adderall first if the cardiologist clears me i want the xr one and the ir for days i want to be productive but for only little amount of time cause some days i just want to sleep

[fringe reef]

Is it just completely banned in your country?

[tired grail]

yh

even ritalin is very strictly controlled

way more than stuff like xanax

which i find ridiculous

[fringe reef]

Damn so regulation is worse than the us cause stimulants are scheduled 2

What's weird is xanax is level 4 which is the 2nd lowest so stimulants are 2 levels higher

I had valium for a medical test to help my anxiety and the pharmacy didn't make me show my id to pick it up

I don't understand my country like if most of the world bans one thing why the fuck is it not banned here

[tired grail]

🤷

[fringe reef]

Would you say you improved in general when it comes to games or the meds just flat out don't work for anything

[tired grail]

hmm ritalin IR did felt like it made me slightly better

the rest didn't

tho i take the meds everyday

soooo

[fringe reef]

Damn i hope mine work if i do get cleared i wanna get back into hobbies and learn stuff but it's extremely difficult ik somewhere in between im gonna game with it in my system

[tired grail]

I hope it works for u

like i said personally it didn't help me at all im still procrastinating my hobbies

• my work

even video games

get this feeling of wanting to play but end up not playing at all

[fringe reef]

Ik it's difficult but lowkey if that med works and it helps my brain fog so my creativity can come back i wanna learn how to make custom zombie maps for bo3

I procrastinate my aim training i do it about daily but the last month my time spent between resetting make sure I'm on a constant pace to be in the range i want or taking break when needed increase my 1 hour playlist into like 3 hours

[tired grail]

i don't feel like adhd impacts me in games that much

or maybe i don't realize it

[uneven ivy]

congrats

[uneven ivy]

Concerta goated

The 18mg ones were useless to me after like 5 days of using

54mg is really good and consistent whenever you grow the tolerance not to get massive headaches from that

[uneven ivy]

you also have to develop the skill to start doing stuff

much easier on medication, but it's a skill nevertheless

[tired grail]

for sure

[fringe reef]

You do but if you have low dopamine levels it's gonna be difficult to start things or be motivated and start something and finish it

[cerulean dome]

@summer trout

[ancient kelp]

I have annoying issue basically my thighs are very strained after gaming sessions

[grave vale]

I hate you because You are only helping a few people the others ignore you

[ancient kelp]

Concerta was worst thing I had now on elvanse I feel good

I felt super slow and heavy on concerta also had anxiett

[rose vale]

https://giphy.com/gifs/speed-ishowspeed-abdullahaljashami-c9fo0fcrKAvmBO0UOY

[tribal swan]

no matter how much sleep i get i start to fall asleep when i aim train help

[fringe reef]

@tired grail i wanted to know cause i was curious what was your vt rank before you started med treatment

[cerulean dome]

@tulip notch

[cerulean dome]

@velvet spindle

[tired grail]

nova 😭

i haven't really played that much aim trainers since then

[fringe reef]

That's fire so yea the meds probably don't do much then

[idle raptor]

hey ive got an ergonomic related problem if anyone doesnt mind helping with some advice: i have a full time thats very tough on the wrists, then come home and do 1h aim training, 2-3h ranked/scrims.
i stretch properly but because of my work i still have a pretty beaten up wrist (electricians are notorious for wrist injury), which shakes pretty badly when im tracking to the right past the first little bit of my wrists' range of motion.
im no pro, but i participate in scrims and some low-rank tourneys with a team, so i would love to aim to my best ability and if theres ANYTHING that might help this issue (playing less, training smoothness more, stretching more, incresing sens),
i would be very open to giving it a try.
Ive also considered training again in the gym, and focusing on wrist strength more as a possible option.

For context, im a fox complete on viscose benchmarks, plat voltaic all @ roughly 30cm/360 (havent benchmarked it in a while though), so its not as simple an issue of being generally undertrained, this problem developed with my new jobs strain on my wrist in the last couple months.
Anyones input would be appreciated, thank you!

[fringe reef]

I would see if you have nerve pain and probably get on a med for it

[idle raptor]

didn't consider that actually thank you! i'll book an appointment.

[fringe reef]

Does it feel like it's burning and numb?

[hazy epoch]

strengthening your wrists is op

add that to a stretch routine

[idle raptor]

i wouldn't say that, it's more like a pinching when i'm over a certain range of motion that makes me shake a ton but i can still track.

[idle raptor]

maybe i'll pick up some deadlifts and bench make it a full gym thing.

[hazy epoch]

specifically targetting your wrists i mean

[fringe reef]

I mean it wouldn't hurt to get it examined cause you can develop stuff like carpal tunnel in a job field like that

[idle raptor]

yeye got it, stuffs permanent without surgery i believe so def best to check😭

[idle raptor]

wrist curls and such? sounds like a good idea

[hazy epoch]

yep

[wind gyro]

anyone know why my finger twitches when i use my mouse

[hazy epoch]

@empty pendant W kai

[cerulean dome]

@tulip notch

[dark wave]

pinky tense during control tracking and stuff involving tension

[silk basin]

anybody got mental advice? i feel like a suffer a lot from my inner voice telling me i play like ass 😭

[uneven ivy]

Tell yourself that you rock

With your outside voice

[silk basin]

does this work

it's mostly just a really bad loop i got going on

I do bad > i tell myself im bad > i do even worse

[uneven ivy]

Take a confident pose

Stand up

Flex

And tell yourself that you’re good

And if you’re annoyed by not being good, practice until you are

CBT

Just keep telling yourself the truth (that you are good) and you will eventually start to internalize it

[uneven ivy]

Like, do the opposite of this. You can see how effective this is at killing your confidence, so the opposite should be effective as well

[silk basin]

good way to put, i appreciate the advice

[violet swan]

hello does anyone know how to fix hand pain this recently started hurting like a bitch & is making me have too hop off the game/aim trainer because it hurts so bad

[tribal raft]

hey what should I be doing if my thumb of my aiming had is hurting from its joint?

[flat stone]

my thumb hurts bro like the connecting part

[flat stone]

ye same

[soft hemlock]

just got the op1w 4k yesterday, put about 6-7 hours in and am noticing discomfort in the right side of my wrist that I didn't have when using my gpx2. Does this mean the mice might be too small for me?

[hearty abyss]

Are there any exercises that make your reaction time faster so you can game better for eSports

I don't do much physical work or walk much

[hasty stag]

just being healthy

[uneven ivy]

sleeping and walking

[winged abyss]

Just do 1hp stretches

[winged abyss]

Just do 1hp stretches

[dark wave]

are there excersizes like workout

[opaque marlin]

anyone got tips for a pain near the shoulderblade

specifically my mouse arm

a muscle pain to be specific

like I strained it maybe

[sly trail]

Hey there, I've a weird thing going on, specifically only when i'm doing aim train, my eyes get quite watery and tired, it doesn't happen when I play or spend otherwise time on PC. I think it might be due to me not blinking as much, or barely blinking at all during the scenarios, but it's quite weird, and sometimes I mess up my scenarios because I quite literally start seeing "blurry" because of the "water"

[stray patio]

Ive had this where playing aim trainers for a long time (4h a day) or games like osu my eyes would get blurry and watery and my pupils would also start shaking everytime i’d blink or look left or right

Solution: Pause from using your pc and phones for a week or as long as you need to

[flat stone]

why do i get pain in my back on the right side when im playing kovaaks

[flat stone]

i got that too

[dark axle]

As an addition, pretty practical way to perform radial and ulnar wrist deviations, sitting right in front of the PC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzLPLEW0ag

[wheat kernel]

hi guys, i'm looking for help concerning eye strain/burn (from dryness?)

i just started getting into aim training and after less than 10m my eyes start to wear down insanely fast during a task to the point where even blinking purposefully doesn't relieve the burn, idk wtf to do, i feel like a big poop because of it

[stray patio]

^ what helped me as a depressed teenager that wouldnt leave his house needed to fix mental health and hit big weight on the bad side

not alot but a good starting point

for those who need it

[heady scarab]

yes mrbeast, i will pay you $60 to verify im a real person on ur 200+ fake gambling sites and then pay more money when i try withdrawing the free $2700 thank you!! 🕺

https://tenor.com/view/phatearl-gif-2280842092719572077

on a real note check ur pc for rats or infostealers

[fleet ridge]

Hello hello, not so long ago i'va noticed that I have slow ass reflexes, on an average human benchmark i'm around 182ms, and in a good day while being really welle focused and feeling great, around 174, I don't think my setup is a thing, good pc, good screen, and good mouse with the dingle right ahead of the pad, so if you have tips to enhance this...

[warm viper]

lower screen brightness/get monitor lamp/your screen has bad quality which makes it worse for your eyes others may not have that issue with same screen

[weary wigeon]

whenever that happens to me its cuz of lack of sleep

[undone sand]

maybe im just slow as hell but this is pretty fast no? average human reaction time is well above 200ms

[wheat kernel]

hey thanks guys, i lowered brigthness by 1/4 and did the opposite of what people suggest by turning off all lights in my room (i had a white light to not play in the dark like i used to) and now its way better

[warm viper]

Its because white led light is bad for your eyes, because sunlight has whole spectrum of colors compared to rgb which is only 3 colors, and dont ignore the fact that playing in dark room isnt also best for eyes, i would aquire monitor light if i were you.

[fleet ridge]

I don't think so honestly, for the average humans yes it seems okay, but among the peoples who plays on a daily basis, I think the "good" ones are around 150/160

[undone sand]

i mean im at around 170-180 avg like you and i dont ever really feel limited by my reaction time and im pretty competitive in the game i play

[short wagon]

i'd say go for 60 brightness + 60 contrast in sufficient lighting

i got around 4-5 hours out of a session with that

if possible, set up ambient lighting behind the monitor

[fleet ridge]

really ? between days where i'm at 174 and ones at 185 I feel an ENORMOUS difference in game, when i'm good with 172 i pull games with like 25/30 kills (cs2, faceit 5/6) and i feel to always shoot before the enemy, when i feel a bit tired and i'm at 190 +-, i end up doing 6 kills in the whole game and getting killed before even shooting a bullet, and when i play against higher ranked players like faceit 7/8/9, even when i'm fine i get destroyed on every duels because they shoot before me like they react really faster, with that as i'm super bad on tracking i looked up at some videos, and while comparing my own try on a task and a one with a good score, they seem to react really faster at a direction change of the target

(hope you understand my english isn't really good)

[undone sand]

dont get me wrong, having faster reaction times helps a decent bit but theres tier 1 players with 175ms or slower reaction times

[fleet ridge]

ho really ? good to hear ! then it means that the problem is probably just mechanical (counter straf, crosshair placement etc), and obviously i'm only talking about pure duels not the rank in itslef where gamesens and strategy are required (to not be misunderstood when talking about faceit ranks), well, thanks a lot dude, saved me some time to not worry about a problem that doesn't really exist !

[undone sand]

yeah np, im not the best cs player at all so i may not be perfectly right but i see mechanics as a way to get you out of spots you shouldnt be in, like if you have perfect gamesense and positioning even with terrible mechanics you would be able to do well in 3k+ elo lobbies (i know people like this)

[fleet ridge]

yeah exactly ! I also have friend that thinks exactly like this but eeerm, that's not my case, in my opinion raw skill really is more valuable than "compensative" strategy, you can setup a very good defensive setup on a site, if a guy in front of you can just run and hit HS on 3 of you, you'll still end up by loosing the round, and that's why i really want to have both, and train myself beside strategic views, to have as much raw skill as possible

[undone sand]

as long as you dont build bad in game habits because you are overconfident in your mechanics this is a good idea

like, you can never have too good of aim in any game (donk)

the problem is that its so hard to get that good at aiming

[fleet ridge]

haa bro, that's why i'm here, i feel like that my aim is "stuck" since 2 or 3 years, it's soooooo hard to improve

[undone sand]

if you only care about cs and thats it then i would say just no life DM

if you play any other game then kovaaks/AL is really good

[fleet ridge]

and getting better score on kovaaks is a things, but transfering it to games is another

yeah cs is actually my main game but I play many other fps, so i just need raw aim

I always thought that I had a pretty decent aim, but the benchmark is waking me up lmao

[undone sand]

thats how i am tbh, im falling out of my love of cs so after this season im prob gonna stop sweating but now i play apex and other aim heavy games

[fleet ridge]

yeah and apex have a totally different aim than cs

[undone sand]

you might in cs specific stuff, like donk is prob only master in certain benchmarks but i wouldnt be surprised if hes nova+ in specific tasks

[fleet ridge]

yeah for example on wide tracking like you only see in 360 games like apex, overwatch etc

that's the ones where I struggle the most as the 2 games that I played the most (and discovered fps with) are CS and R6, so i assume that it's probably the same for you

[undone sand]

weirdly enough smooth tracking is my best category 🙁

i stink at pasu/micros

[fleet ridge]

really ??

that's surprising

[undone sand]

getting back into aim training after a year of playing cs DM so i think it got better but when i stopped my score sheet was 900 for smooth tracking and like 690 in dynamic

[fleet ridge]

yeah one year of cs should have helped, then good luck for your training !

[undone sand]

thanks! you too

[undone sand]

also if you ever want some cs specific advice (macro positioning etc) feel free to ask me

[fleet ridge]

ho, I would definitely need some ! i'm actually mid 5, but i just started faceit, and I honestly etimate my level around mid 6 (1000 hours in total, but since 2015 💀)

[undone sand]

ur doing fine then lol, i prop got to level 4-7 around 1500hrs and stayed there for a long time haha

[pearl heron]

Hello, Could i get some Health tips to implement in my daily basis in order to be a better player overall?

[warm viper]

Theres very well made guide on #resources chanell.

[acoustic cairn]

My right shoulder sits lower than my left shoulder and it’s also rolled forward. This is because I spent a lot of time reaching forward when aiming.

My arm and wrist have always been planted. Today I lifted my right shoulder and matched it to my left one, and my arm also lifted off the pad and my aim is more free. But I only end up with my wrist on the pad.

Should I keep doing it? I feel no pain from doing so in case that matters

[pearl heron]

Im gonna check it out

[indigo acorn]

when im aim training for large time periods my left shoulder starts hurting even though im using my right arm to aim does anyone know how to fix this?

[smoky sun]

Train shoulders

[autumn badger]

Fair will do

[autumn badger]

I think being painless is a massive w

[keen flicker]

the methods were not "placebo", my reaction time improved significantly (awping clips to better illustrate the timing)

[prime steeple]

whats the method

[keen flicker]

see my previous messages

[acoustic cairn]

When aiming or just playing in general, should the elbow be pinned to the side of your body or moving with the arm?

[hazy epoch]

whatever feels good

not pinned though

too little rom

[nova pawn]

hey whats the best posture? i feel like some postures heavily limit my movement and im just struggling to find something that feels good and fits

i hate my arm being stuck on the desk

[uneven ivy]

adjust the height of the table and chair to be comfortable

[nova pawn]

Tried that and cant find a good spot..

Too high and way less movement

Too low and my shoulders start hurting and my aim is inconsistent and feels off

[fossil slate]

moving with the arm

not much tho

[fierce glade]

@nova pawn check out Ron Rambo Kim how your table and chair affect your aim on YouTube

[keen flicker]

depends, what game are you focusing

[tall obsidian]

oblivity have vid on that

[keen flicker]

specific game, kovaaks or in general?

[tall obsidian]

needs to be on table static I'd say from my coaching sessions

when u're moving it w arm, more stutters on aim

[hazy epoch]

no?

[tall obsidian]

yes

[nova pawn]

I think ive watched every vid on posture i found (not many on yt) and still have not been able to figure it out

[nova pawn]

Kovaaks val ow

[tall obsidian]

check oblivity, lmao

[nova pawn]

I watched that video twice

Tried the ideal mouse and keyboard tilt and all

Gave me a 1 week confidence boost and thats all

[hazy epoch]

Who told you this

[tall obsidian]

wym

[tall obsidian]

experience

[vestal flare]

Does anyone know, from personal experience or otherwise, if bouldering helps with/amplifies forearm muscle soreness after sessions?

[chrome mica]

Depends on intensity of bouldering and length of aiming sessions (if that's what you're asking). They both use some of the same muscles in the forearm, and bouldering is high intensity and aiming is seen as long duration

[hazy epoch]

@summer trout

[queen sandal]

is there any exercise for my eyes that can help with aiming or even just seeing harder to see stuff like tiny animation changes that tell more than u would think?

[hazy epoch]

@tulip notch logan paul being generous today

[lost zenith]

😭

[rose vale]

im in the same position bro

nothing ever feels right and tutorials don't help at all

[rose vale]

holy fuck can yall stop getting ur acc hacked

[open atlas]

no

[pliant shadow]

my left thumb muscle thing hurts from aim training (i use spacebar to shoot) is there smt i can do to help this or just aim train less?

[hasty stag]

press it with a different finger

or play aimbeast where you can have autofire

[wheat nexus]

did u look for a doctor

[pliant shadow]

triggerbot? 😭

[pliant shadow]

an aim training doctor?

[hasty stag]

nah its an aim trainer

but it has an option where u can toggle autofire for scenarios

so u don't have to hold

[pliant shadow]

oh holding isn't much of an issue
i've been mostly working on clicking scenarios and that has been what's doing it

but for holding yea i can just rest my hand on it or sum

[bold walrus]

but doesnt having to hold the click change the way u aim

so shouldnt u focus with what is most realistic to the games

[pliant shadow]

wdym

i use spacebar to shoot

it doesn't change the way i aim bc it's not with the same hand anyway

[bold walrus]

ohhh

[pliant shadow]

also kovaaks is my main game anyway

[hasty stag]

im pty sure its better to have it on mouse

cause then u don't have to coordinate both hands

[livid wigeon]

just started aim training again after a few years and ive been at it for a week but ive noticed my eyes feel strained and i havent been playing well in-game on valorant is there any advice or should i just take a break from my screen?

[pliant shadow]

coordinating both hands is NOT an issue tho 😭

just think about typing or smt
u have to coordinate both hands for that and typing is ez

[hasty stag]

because you have too many buttons for one hand hell one finger to handle

but why do you have to complicate it and not use index finger that isnt doing anything anyway

you are adding processes

where they don't have to be added

especially if you don't have an he board

then you add input delay cause of the switch

[pliant shadow]

not really
again, coordination is such a non issue
and i do have an he board, so it's fine
in my eyes, putting primary fire on my mouse is what complicates things, because then i have to introduce tension sporadically throughout my runs

[pliant shadow]

even if there were only 5 buttons, i would split it between two hands so i can have better fingers doing the work 😭 that is not the only reason to use two hands

besides, i type 200 wpm so again coordination is NOT an issue

but how about this
if i ever plateau then i will consider switching it to see what happens but so far i've been p good

[hasty stag]

you're having health issues cause of it

[pliant shadow]

yeah that's true
but also it's not just the tension thing that causes me to have spacebar as primary
it's way more optimal for cpvp since i can butterfly click right click and still spam left click to break crystals

but i think i'm gonna move to rdfg from esdf movement so i can have my thumb closer to the center of it and i'm gonna get o rings so the travel is less

[cerulean dome]

@wild grove

[cerulean dome]

@velvet spindle

and above there's one more

[proud sinew]

just started getting pain near the back of my elbow after starting aim training again idk if my arm is cooked or if its just burn from not having played aim trainers in a while, hand doesnt seem weak but the slight pain im getting is distracting. I notice its worse if I dont lay my elbow on the pad and leave it floating/hanging on the edge of the table/pad

[hasty pilot]

How high off the table are your arms?

[proud sinew]

Its angled a little bit downwards

[hasty pilot]

does it seem like a muscular burning pain (like you have done low weight high reps at the gym) or more of a sharp, uncomfortable pain

[orchid gate]

How come I play a LOT better when I'm drunk? it feels like I shouldn't