health

[dark dock]

CTS is strictly in your wrist and hand if your arm is hurting after training its just sore. Does it get slowly worse as you train? How long do you normally play for (not just aim training) because if you've played 4 hours straight of a aim intense game like overwatch before with no problems then it might be something medical.

[kindred galleon]

ure dead bro

[rustic geyser]

Rust is the way to train or siege

Sigma hardcore aim train

You should spend you’re money on more useful stuff than aim like a car or house

👍

[fossil ingot]

i got both thanks tho

[ornate musk]

99.9% chance you lack the stamina for how long you played (1h in aim trainer is = to at least 2h in other games [some time it's more like 10 as demanding even], so 4h in aim trainers is like 8h+ of gaming in half the time for the stress and needing the stamina for it) . The best advise I can give you is no aim trainer and half amount of time gaming for the next few days, see if it's still painful or not and adjust from there. If you do not suffer from any pain in just a few days, that was just soreness and it's normal, take it easy with aim trainer 915 minutes at first is already that) and go slowly up from that. You could really get some kind of issue with too much aim training, not just wrist and hand pain, but all your arm pain if you are not careful. Most of the injuries are caused by a lack of stamina, so yiu need to build it up slowly and do some endurance training for it too, if you can.

[pliant shadow]

well its definitely not just sore. i can feel tingling in my fingertips, and the tests i did to check for cts all suggested i have it. when i tap the inside of my wrist i can feel it jolt into my thumb and it goes numb and tingles

and it is in my arm too, but again its not just sore. also it hurts so bad to type this

also i had a dream i was banned for asking that 💀
i was so mad bro bc i've been banned from other servers for asking similar things

also i feel it at the top of my forearm, right before it gets to the elbow

and it feels so good to press it

it def isn't just sore there's no way this is just soreness

[kindred galleon]

Yet you still won't go to a doctor ?

[pliant shadow]

i'm 17 i cant go to the doctor
i have no money
and my parents dont want to take me

[kindred galleon]

Going to your school nurse is still possible

She can contact social services if you are prevented from accessing medical treatment by your parents

I dunno if the situation is that serious for you, but if it is then there are possibilities

[pliant shadow]

i dont go to school

[pliant shadow]

i guess i will never be able to use my hands again

:/

[ornate musk]

It's not that serious, even if you do have cts, you can still recover, 1hp have great videos and exercises for that exactly. I can't send link right now, but check them out on youtube to see what you can find for you. I suggest to do the 9 minute routine for wrist endurance that have no equipement. Do that twice a day for 8 weeks and you should be alright, if I am not mistaking.

Also, don't get me wrong on yhis, it is not as serious as you not been able to use your hands ever again, but it is a very serious issue that could need à professional if possible, but since it's not, that might be the best free thing for you. If you can pay à certain amount, you can also buy their complete wrist troubleshooter online, but they also have a free version on their website too, which could help you a lot.

[ornate musk]

Ok, I can now send some links for it, here is the most recommended way for you to heal : https://youtu.be/7W_39vlZ2t4?si=LxxoKUAzQgphWoNb
Here is for no equipement : https://youtu.be/q_7x46S3Nic?si=GVBacezxNK-IAMlV

And here is the link for their website : https://1-hp.org/

[pliant shadow]

omg thank u
i really hope this works

wow 1hp
i really am at 1 hp bro

they read me like a book 🙏

ok but it tells me to click which part im feeling the pain, but i feel it in all those spots?

💀 im so fucked bro

its caught up to me 😭🙏

im so cooked bro

im abouta become dr strange

this is actually my life bro

💀

im so fucked if it doesn't work

[jaunty ermine]

patience, my friend, it's agonizing but i trust you'll recover in time

[pliant shadow]

yeah i hate patience tbh

[jaunty ermine]

slow recovery processes are just the reality of life i'm afraid

get the rest you need, put in the work to strengthen, maintain good habits, and it will pay off

[fallow folio]

BY THE EYE OF AGAMOTO 🗣️ 🔥

[ornate musk]

Then do the troubleshooter 8 time, once for each spots.

[uncut spear]

After playing for an hour I start feeling eye strain/headaches... is there anything I can do to help with this?

[ornate musk]

You should rest them, make sure you have the rest you need and the amount of water you need too. I am not sure if there is anything else for that unfortunatly.

[kindred galleon]

Alpha I rly think you're being a drama queen atm

[uncut spear]

thank you

[ornate musk]

I do think they overreact a bit too much, but not knowing too much about the subject can be scare and some do react more or less dramaticaly.

[dark dock]

I know this sounds weird but try putting some sort of dim light behind your monitor also look away from your screen at something distant while in queue

[pliant shadow]

yes
i just wanna rule out things n get information since idk what is going on
it would be a lot easier if this happened before yk

[kindred galleon]

You'll get through it dw, at 17 you have the ability to heal yourself incredibly fast

[honest rose]

Hey guys, I’m having problems with my elbows. I think repetitive clicking is causing pain in my elbow.

I also get pain when I do over head tricep extensions at the gym. I’ve stopped doing them for now. Any advice?

[rose vale]

by the eye of mama coco

[spark idol]

I was having wrist pain so I did a stretch routine now I’m chilling I doubt it’s that serious

Especially if it’s from playing games to much

[distant fractal]

@kindred galleon Wat do u recommend taking for helping with memory retention and recall

[kindred galleon]

Baikal Skullcap, Gingko Biloba, Lion's mane

Any one of those or any combination

[distant fractal]

Anything else?

Gingko gave me serious stomach pain once

[scenic scaffold]

i would disagree with this just do pullups its enough

[ornate musk]

Well, you are free to do and think whatever you want, but I do think that you can trust professionals that have over 15 years of studies/research/infield experience in that subject à bit more than someone that does not know that many peoples here can't do something like a pullup. Many of those that will go with those exercices or go see what 1hp can do for them lost à part of the fonction of their hand/wrist/arm and can't do something as simple as picking à small and heavy object, some can't take a full water bottle because of how much they are affected byctheir condition, so hanging on a bar with 175+ pounds ( 79 + kg) that you need to keep there is unthinkable for them. Some peoples here can't do pullups with their body mass either, I am one of them. Many can't access a gym either, I am one of them. Many can only use the minimal amount of equipement, so that is why I linked the vidéo with almost no equipement and I also put the one with the rice bucket, since it might be one of the best way of doing wrist exercices, it might not be, but it still could be. Also, many peoples here does not suffer from à général weakness or lack of exercices in their arm, but à compression or inflammation of à specific nerve caused by tendons been too tight around it, which is often caused by a lack of stamina in the tendon and muscle linked to it, not the muscle not able to lift some medium to very heavy weight.

I do agree that pullups can be good, just not good enough for many, if not most, of the peoples that will ask questions here and have hand/wrist/arm concerne.

[scenic scaffold]

right i wasnt thinking about those types of people

[ornate musk]

Don't worry about that, this is why having the opinion of many is very valuable and you would be 100% right if this chat channel was for fitness or something like that. I might have over reacted a little too, I am sorry for that.

[vocal lichen]

you're me when I was 17. I'm now 23. Take your time for the love of god, and get off your ass and do your research now. You'll be much better and be able to play much longer if take it serious right now.

[jaunty ermine]

never take your health for granted

[kindred galleon]

as someone who's just got the flu and tried to dey it by doing lots of sports up until it shot me to bed, i fuckin agree

[spice dagger]

does wrist pain mean carpal tunnel or is carpal tunnel rare

my right hand wrist on the left side has a tiny tiny tiny little ache when i move it left and right fast

but i dont have any tingling or pain or throbbing

i just wanna make sure i can always keep them healthy so should i just constantly exercise my wrists everyday?

like if i do the rice bucket thing everyday and go to the gym 4 times a week will my wrists be able to handle 4-5 hours of valorant 4-5 times a week?

• stretching in between games and what not

[buoyant moon]

my left finger tip hurts I rested but still didnt healed

[ornate musk]

If you go to the gum too, maybe half the amount of exercises for the rice bucket and/or do not do it on days that you use your wrist a lot at the gym.

Also, you can replace the rice by beads like those : https://www.amazon.com/Weighted-Stuffed-Animals-Microbead-Blankets/dp/B083S6DTFC/ref=asc_df_B083S6DTFC?mcid=21bf145714ab37a88cc6662f983fd33c&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693440807678&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14514463495832878500&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031040&hvtargid=pla-1251282214280&psc=1

[kindred galleon]

admins this should be reported

[pliant shadow]

infinitrix thank u for helping me and also these other people

[fierce ingot]

ive been having these stress tremors lately or idk how to call them. i cant aim properly without my arm being tensed up and i just need to shake it constantly and i never had these before at al

i cant have my calm aim because my arms feels so tensed up

around this area if that helps..

[kindred galleon]

weak tendons, i've had that for a long time

pull ups + pushups and handstands as a bonus, truly gamechanger

[naive sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoedUZ4OpPY&list=PLB2qbSS-C_EFhoNmxu5Rfj3DrWSZFyGgK&index=13 when im done doing the exercise's in this vid would it be better or worse to put ice on my forearms right after ive seen some vids saying its bad and some saying its good so idk

[spark quarry]

how to get rid of my massive forehead

[twilit relic]

Genetic engineering

[uncut spear]

Why am I always tired unless I get 9+ hours of sleep

6-8 hours just isn’t enough for me

[jaunty ermine]

that's just how it is, sometimes you need more sleep

9 is about my sweet spot too

[uncut spear]

I can’t go to bed at 10 😭

[ornate urchin]

How is your sleep hygiene? Do you turn stop looking at screens 30 minutes to an hour before bed? Do you have a consistent sleep schedule? Do you keep caffeine to the mornings? If you find your sleep isn't as restful as you think it should be, try doing those things if you're not already. As Xira said, some people need more sleep (myself included), but there are things you can do to make sure that you're falling asleep very quickly and allowing your body to really recover.

[uncut spear]

I don’t take caffeine at all, I do look at screens before and have a semi consistent sleep schedule since I gotta wake up at 7 daily

But on weekends I just sleep for as long as I can

Is that bad?

Does it disrupt the schedule

[jaunty ermine]

screens and exercise and what time you eat can make a huge difference

[cinder phoenix]

yo started to get some wrist pain should i lower my sens?

feel like its only logical to take some strain off it ygm

[uncut spear]

but exercising makes me more tired afterwards

[jaunty ermine]

yeah, that's kind of the point ❤️

[uncut spear]

but my goal is to be less tired in the evenings not more 😭

[jaunty ermine]

i thought you were having trouble falling asleep earlier

[uncut spear]

ohh my bad.. that's also kind of an issue but mainly because I do want to be awake for a bit longer

i dont wanna give up more than 8 hours for sleeping

but maybe that's just not an option I have?

[jaunty ermine]

some people just need more sleep

maybe you could try going for less and seeing if you develop a habit of it, but i dont think i'd recommend going below 8 hours🤷‍♀️

personally i take a fair bit of time to fall asleep and wake up in the night a bit, i end up getting like 1-2h less actual sleep than time spent in bed

it does bother me how so much of my day feels wasted but the alternative of being a zombie all day is even less desirable

[uncut spear]

Thank you I’ll try that

[ornate urchin]

It's best to stay consistent on weekend if possible. Definitely not always easy, but sleeping in may impact the time you're able to go sleep the next night. As for screens, they emit blue light just like the sun. Your brain will interpret that as it still being daytime and so it won't produce melatonin until much later. This means that certain recovery processes don't get started until much later in the night, and you end up cutting them off in the morning.

It's also important to give yourself an 8h sleep opportunity. So if your bedtime is 11 and you game right up until then, then you're gonna have to get ready for bed and fall asleep within the time that you should already be sleeping. It's important to measure 8h from when you actually fall asleep, not when you get in bed

[uncut spear]

But weekends is when I feel the best bc I’m allowed to sleep in

So overtime that weekend feeling will become the norm?

[uncut spear]

I’ve been measuring it based on my smartwatch

But yeah I should give myself a time before falling asleep

[kindred galleon]

at least 90 minutes is mandatory, 2 or 3h would be best

[ornate urchin]

If you find that sleeping in makes you feel better and doesn't affect you the next night it's probably not that bad, especially if it's not super late after your usual wake time. But me personally, I felt like a brand new person when I was really dedicated to my sleep schedule, not smoking weed, reading before bed, etc. If you can improve your sleep during the week, you likely won't feel the need to sleep in during the weekend, and your weekdays won't be so sluggish

The other thing to note is that sleep doesn't recover the same every night. So if you're sleep deprived, usually your brain will recover in mostly NREM sleep (more to do with memory) the first night, then the next nights, it binges on REM sleep (emotional control, etc.). It'll take a few consistent days before the benefits really start kicking in, but once they do, it just gets easier and easier to maintain as your emotions will be more under control, your appetite will be better regulated, and your hormones will be all be doing their thing at full capacity.

[pliant shadow]

how do i stop being itchy right here but only on the inside
and its a constant itch and i have even found myself biting this part throughout the day to try to relieve it

[kindred galleon]

lactic acid buildup

you're overusing the thumb, shift your grip

[uncut spear]

appreciate this information, thanks! ill give it a try

[placid ore]

if I do wrist excercises (with dumbells such as recommended from 1hp) should I skip aim training for the next day if its too sore?

[drifting rover]

does anyone know how to get rid of cold feet and hands while gaming?
whenever I'm playing valorant for more than ~30 mins, my feet start to feel cold and numb as well as my hands and fingers
it makes aiming feel so stiff and unnatural
putting my hands in warm water helps only for a short period of time
i heard that the arm position (if it's too high relatively to the heart) might be the problem, since the blood supply to the hand is harder because it's higher than the heart
but that's not the case
my hands are in the same level as my heart
room temperature isn't a problem as well
no open windows, no cold drafts either

and i don't have this problem in my daily life
so it's not a disease or smth

[drifting rover]

and I'm sweating as well while playing
as if i had a fever
but i don't have one

[jaunty ermine]

adrenaline? and hows your cardio/circulation

[drifting rover]

could be adrenaline
but i wouldn't say i feel like i get much adrenaline just by playing a simple deathmatch
never had problems with neither cardio nor circulation

the blood circulation in my forearms and hands is considered proper i think as my forearms and hands tend to have visible veins almost all the time

btw found this article, reading through it currently https://1-hp.org/blog/hpforgamers/coldhandswhilegaming/?amp=1

"Excessive numbness/tingling affecting your daily activities
prolonged cold lasting a couple of hours even after attempting ways to improve local circulation"

this doesn't apply for me

[drifting rover]

nothing serious ig
more likely adrenaline

[kindred galleon]

Breathe extra slowly thru your 'ose while playing

[junior verge]

I started having hives a few days ago. I stopped taking my supplements cause i thought they are the problem but the hives havent stopped. What should I do to treat the hives?

[rain delta]

I am not sure if this kind of mental health question is allowed here but

I am too obsessed with getting good at games that I am willing to tank my irl life for it, because I feel like I have to be good at one specific thing to feel any sense of personal worth and satisfaction, and I feel like I had to go with video games because of my advantages; and if I don't grind Right Now I will never get the chance to do so again because I'd be too old to do so"

How should I tackle each part of this mentality one at a time?

[jaunty ermine]

definitely reflect upon self worth and ask yourself why you have to feel like you are good at something to achieve a sense of it.

a lot of us are raised to believe we have to do or be something great in order to matter as a person, which leads to a lot of very unhealthy mindsets and habits. we focus so much on how other people perceive us and neglect how we perceive ourselves.

[kindred galleon]

have somthing important to do in your life, it'll put video games on the back burner

[winter sand]

not sure i should ask this here but does anyone else feel like their aim is way worse after they workout if so how do you get it back to normal for that day?

[pallid sierra]

tea or coffee

i just pour hot water over my leaf and call it a day

i dont have a machine that costs two gajillion and another that costs three bajillion to just make me espresso

tea easier and tastier

smells better too

[violet swan]

Too exaggerated

Both would cost $40 total

[rain delta]

That would be the ideal way of going about it yeah
For the most part I've just had long term beliefs that we are defined by what we can do

And it also comes from a perspective that everyone around me is skilled at something but me

So I had to chase after skill in order to not be left behind

[celest quiver]

Pretty sure it has to do with soreness if you go too Hard

I guess you just have to do more strength Training aswell

After a Hard workout I feel a decrease aswell

[winter sand]

would it be beneficial to swap days i do playlist. I do vdim playlist so pretty much every category is always the same day every week so im pretty much doing tracking every Wednesday whic is a day i work out

[celest quiver]

Yeah you could deffo try that and see if it has positive effects

[winter sand]

its noteven a small drop either normally im able to hit diamond to low jade scores but on days i work out i struggle to stay above plat

[celest quiver]

I See do you feel it After and Workout or just after Arm/ Shoulders ?

[winter sand]

arm and shoulders days

[celest quiver]

Okay so I am no expert but I think if you go to failure it will stay like that because your muscles are exhausted

So I for example just go with it cause I priortise my workout and go a Bit less in AIM Training when I expierience to much soreness

[winter sand]

i kinda figured that was just hoping to find some advice on how to lower the loss in skill like takea nap or some lol but thank you none the less for sharing your experience ill try changing days i do certain playlist

@celest quiver

[celest quiver]

Sorry I couldnt Provide more advice but no worries if I find out that works I will Share it with you @winter sand

[winter sand]

thank you would be big help if i find anything ill also share

[celest quiver]

No worries thank you aswell

[kindred galleon]

!admin

[viral topaz]

this creatine powder is so sweet (sweetners) uaaaa im not gunna make a drink outta it next time

just dry scoop is fine right

its only 5 grams

[kindred galleon]

told you not to buy sweetened version

there you go you didnt listen

[junior solar]

got tendonitis on the radial side of my hand probably from aim training and piano playing. i have been applying heat and doing stretches and it seems to be improving. Should i do wrist strengthening exercises now, or does that pose too much of a risk of overstraining, so i should wait for full or close to full recovery before doing the exercises

[fresh thicket]

any excercises on mouse1 finger pain? I guess i just click too much during a day, when i play fps games/kovaaks as well it starts hurting

[zenith grove]

Try to not to press much but for help just stretch out your fingers and massage it a bit

[marsh latch]

That is a question a doctor or physical therapist has to answer with proper background and screening. An overall rule of thumb without risking anything is: dont train with a strain. If it hurts while or after its generally not a good idea to start training, you have to try it out tho. Tendon related issues have a little more nuance to it, hence why a professional is always the best choice to give yourself a proper answer for it

[twilit atlas]

Does anybody experience vision issues when they aim train for a while. Everything goes blurry and it’s hard to read text from far away when I aim train for more than an hour

[celest quiver]

Myb start eye Training if that doesnt help you should consider an eye doctor

Myb some Blue light blocking Glasses

[hot heath]

I missed the 1hp thing yesterday, can someone please summerise what was said 🙂

[hallow sentinel]

hi is there any reason or just my right shoulder rises when i aim sometimes? is that normal?

[marsh latch]

Yes youre lifting your arm up to move with less shrubbery on the pad, you could sit higher or lower the height of the desk if it annoys you

[hallow sentinel]

@marsh latch Okay would higher be better and is there a good height my desk should be?

[marsh latch]

usual recommendation is underarm and elbow parallel on the desk or elbow a little higher than underarm when resting on the table

[serene crow]

fellas how does one with adhd actually get a properly stable sleep schedule shit feels impossible on god 😭

[kindred galleon]

buy an oura ring

get overwhelmingly ashamed when you realise it's wasted money if you dont properly do it

never miss a good night's sleep again

ez

(this has happened to me)

[serene crow]

ty

[spark quarry]

Don’t use TikTok

[serene crow]

I don't use tiktok at all

I just have troubles falling asleep due to insomnia

@tired osprey please ban bots ty

[uncut spear]

I relate to this so much

i wake up at the sametime everyday, but when i go to bed im just not falling asleep for hours

[pallid lodge]

i need help my forearm keeps hurting(its not form gooning)

[vivid saffron]

Are ya death gripping your mouse

[pallid lodge]

I dont

[hushed garnet]

What is your cardio like?

[rich ore]

Ur not doing enough during day time

[uncut spear]

maybe. but i'm really tired when i get back from home, it's not like im full of energy in bed

i do just sit at a desk all day tho

[violet swan]

are any thoughts keeping you awake?

thats what usually gets me
if im too excited or too anxious it takes a toll on my sleep

[wanton jetty]

hey could someone help, i noticed that whenever i aim or play games i typically tense my elbow-shoulder area alot is there any reason why and if so could someone help me

[tender shale]

You're pressing down your mouse on the pad right?

maybe not intentionally, but is that happening?

and also, are your elbows rested on your desk/pad/table? Or is your elbow joint in the "air", like your forearm is resting on your desk etc but your elbow is far back

[wanton jetty]

Exactly this

[wanton jetty]

the last part of this from 'or'

[rich ore]

The issue is so common, if you focused on school, went to the gym, had a part time job and took care of ur diet and hygiene, I’d insure you that you’d be able to sleep properly

Mental exhaustion and sleepiness are two different things

Or more so psychological exhaustion

and I could almost guarantee you’d see good improvement if you took care of all of those factors

Most people are so quick to self diagnose themselves without actually digging into their QOL

[uncut spear]

School + gym + part time job?

In one day?

[rich ore]

That’s what I do…

I’m driving from work rn

[uncut spear]

I respect that

[rich ore]

If you just stop wasting ur time it’s so easy to make it work

I literally have insomnia myself and doing more stuff makes me sleep like a baby

Then wake up refreshed in the morning

[uncut spear]

But I already feel low on energy, how will I be able to do more tasks in the day

[rich ore]

Why do u have low energy

[uncut spear]

Not enough sleep because it takes me 1-2 hours to fall asleep

[rich ore]

Let me get home and I’ll give you some tips

[uncut spear]

On weekends I sleep in for 9 hours and I feel great

Appreciate it

[rich ore]

Okay what do you do on a daily basis 3-5 hours before bed

And what time to you believe you fall asleep at

[uncut spear]

Shower, eat dinner, homework

Apparently 1

[rich ore]

And what time do you wake up

On avarage

[uncut spear]

7 daily

Besides weekends

[rich ore]

Okay look

Do homework before u eat dinner

Snack if ur hungry

It’ll make it more efficient as u won’t be tired from eating a heavy meal

[uncut spear]

Honestly I get home after the gym and I’m basically eating dinner

[rich ore]

I’d still recommend that u snack

If you go gym and then eat a heavy meal

Your most likely to get very tired after that meal

Get the homework done as fast as possible after the gym and just snack on literally anything

Then eat dinner normally

Shower, daily hygiene stuff and then just wind down in bed

I don’t care if u use ur phone or not before bed cause I do and it works fine

If you want to play I’d play after dinner, however i play the most in the morning since I sleep early

Also do not use any type of reels or short form content, wind down to anime, YouTube videos educational or not, doesn’t matter, It’s so easy to start thinking about random shit or even get stuck scrolling

Like if you practice the good things for a while you’ll start doing even better things for yourself, start small and don’t over do it in the beginning, it’ll be easier and easier once u start getting used to it

Like I used to go sleep at 2-3 am every day and now I sleep at 8-10 pm depending on my work

Honestly, I have a shit ton of energy throughout the entire day until I take that shower and hop in bed

[rich ore]

Food doesn’t need to get more complicated than this if your mom doesn’t cook dinner all the time, around 80 grams of protein

[true vault]

hello i have cubital tunnel syndrome what to do for this

[frosty bear]

Heya :) just wanted to thank you, reading your messages made me compare it to what i'm doing, and its safe to say that it allowed me to reflect quite a bit on how much better i could feel by switching things a bit ^^

[rich ore]

My message was insanely rushed but I appreciate you taking your time to reflect to it😃

[tender shale]

So your issue is that because your elbows are in the 'air' your shoulder joint is activated to carry the weight of your elbow/arm which overtime gets it sore. You need to make your elbow joint rested on your disk/table. Bring yourself closer to your table.

[tender shale]

Consult orthopedic surgery. They might do a simple incision for relief, or use splints and physiotherapy. Also depends on past medical history and causative agent eg you're a bodybuilder on huge doses of growth hormone

Either orthopedic surgery or start with physio

[true vault]

I am doing physio thanks will let u know if I see any changes

[final hedge]

Has anybody here bought the 1 HP Mental Performance for players thingy? I am thinking about buying that and the wrist thingy but idk yet! I feel like my Mental is too weak even though I believe I have a strong one the negatives just outweight the positives sadly! :(
And also! how much sessions would I need to do? I just found out that it is $200 per session! 🙀

[azure hinge]

guys i dont think my wrist is supposed to hurt after aim training right 😞 i might be too tense while doing it or might be holding my mouse wrong i dont know

i did the becnhmark wich was about an hour and 15 minutes if i had to guess then i played overwatch but my wrist hurt like shit

should i take a break

[rich ore]

Take a break, find wrist exercises and stop over tensing your wrist

Could be a posture or desk/chair height issue

[azure hinge]

how long of a break should be the best? if it doesn’t hurt tomorrow should i do a routine or should i give it a few days?

def not out here trynna get carpal tunnel

[rich ore]

If you want you could focus forearms in the gym, it will help your wrist

[azure hinge]

i see

[rich ore]

It’s fairly hard to get carpal tunnel, I wouldn’t be worried unless you actually over do it

[azure hinge]

alr phew

[rich ore]

You could try splitting up your routine

Also wrist exercises helped me a ton

When I started out

Ever since I started going to the gym, my wrist pain disappeared like it never existed

[azure hinge]

very interesting i will take note of that

ty 😌

[rich ore]

Just take it lighter until it eases up, you wouldn’t even need a break

And you could maintain consistency with that

[azure hinge]

good point, i’ll do maybe half an hour instead

[cloud dock]

how the heck do people position their keyboard and leave space for their mouse? This position is killing my left shoulder, but it leaves room for my mouse. While the 2nd pic leaves no room for my mouse

maybe my forearm should be at an angle outside of my shoulder width and not straight? like so, but is that good posture?

[jaunty ermine]

smaller keyboard helps a ton, also putting it much further off to the left

keyboard shouldnt be centered for your setup

[jaunty ermine]

no, this isn't good

[cloud dock]

if i put it much further off to the left, then my left arm is just in the same position that my right arm would be in that 3rd picture though?

[jaunty ermine]

i like centering around the middle of my numpad personally, gives me a decent amount of space on both sides without needing to spread my arms

i did end up getting a smaller keyboard that saves me a few cm which helps a bit

unless you have very narrow shoulders it should be pretty okay

[cloud dock]

i.e. the center of your chest == the center of your numpad?

[jaunty ermine]

and monitor, yes

doesnt have to be exact, but it should be way better than your examples above

[cloud dock]

This is adjusted per your recommendation above. Still doesn't seem like enough space tbh. Is the solution really only a 75% keyboard?

[jaunty ermine]

are you not taking the picture from the middle?

[cloud dock]

not really, the phone is in my left hand. but the numpad is centered on my chest. monitor would technically be directly above the numpad too

right arm is straight

left arm would technically be angled out in this position

[jaunty ermine]

hmm, you either have pretty narrow shoulders or just hold stuff narrow

options would be smaller keyboard, or you could try the tilted keyboard

personally i always hated the tilt

[cloud dock]

i hear tilted is awful for the wrist tho

[jaunty ermine]

yeah, i hate it

[cloud dock]

well, i figure* it's awful for the wrist. havne't heard much

[jaunty ermine]

some swear by it but i cannot figure out how to use it comfortably lol

i either have to learn over my board a bit to angle inwards, which fucking sucks, or angle my wrist in an awkward way which also fucking sucks

[cloud dock]

needs to be more content about keyboard position tbh

[jaunty ermine]

agreed

easiest solution is to just get a smaller board though I'm afraid

[cloud dock]

this is where i get the "just outside of shoulder width". seems like good advice still tbh?

what do you think?

[jaunty ermine]

basically what i use, not quite as wide as in the pic tho

[cloud dock]

that was this pic here. It's even better if I move my keyboard left slightly. What was your problem with this photo?

[cloud dock]

cuz u replied like this. Did my wrist angle look bad?

[jaunty ermine]

hard to tell in the picture, but it looks pretty wide

[cloud dock]

fair ty

[rich ore]

U are way too wide to be able to control your mouse equally in most angles, you’ll be severally handicapped aiming to your right

[cloud dock]

I was just trying to emulate the picture above, do you agree with struth?

or disagree

[rich ore]

I disagree

I haven’t seen that video however I wouldn’t put my anchor point in a position where I can’t aim equally to all angles

That’s just inconsistent in any high ranked scenario

[cloud dock]

so with my mouse hand coming directly off my body, not tilted to the right. this is what it looks like for me. just no space

[cloud dock]

appreciated, that's my next step after figuring out how to position my stuff. looking to see what consistently hihgh ranked players do

[rich ore]

Okay if you have a table size problem, u don’t need to be sitting in the middle of it

It may feel weird but scoot your chair over to the right so you have more space to move

[cloud dock]

I mean I don't though. it's a nice and large table. I just shouldnt put my forearms wayyyy out to the side

and scooting to the right would put my keyboard forearm at a large angle

[rich ore]

How would putting your keyboard forearm at a larger angle effect your overall aim

[cloud dock]

figured it was a health thing

[rich ore]

Sure it’s a posture thing but if you actually exercise and don’t spend too much time at your desk, there shouldn’t be any worries

[cloud dock]

so for the mousehand, it's not that you think it's unhealthy to have your forearm angled to the right: it's that angling it to the right limits movement MORE to the right, correct?

[rich ore]

Yeah, it limits your ability to move to the right making it inconsistent when you compare aiming upwards, downwards and to the sides

[cloud dock]

i follow

ty

[rich ore]

all your movements would be completely different and you’re forearm would get friction in different locations every time you move

I wouldn’t recommend it if you want to improve aim

But it really shouldn’t matter as it’s a matter of comfort and shouldn’t be dwelled too deep into

[cloud dock]

referring to the angled forearm, rright

here's what I switched to based on what you've been saying

[rich ore]

Yes, if you were shoulder width and had around a 90 degree angle on your elbow, would make it way more consistent

[cloud dock]

right forearm is straight, 90 degrees off my body. left forearm is like -120 degrees off my body

lots of space, seems okay and all?

[rich ore]

Depends on your sensitivity

If you would need it

[cloud dock]

i mean tbh i hate having the keyboard out like that

feel my rhomboids stretching on only one side, major imbalance

[rich ore]

Well it depends on yourself

[cloud dock]

i follow, i still gotta find something that allows me to actually have room to aim train

[rich ore]

U shouldn’t overthink too much

Just use whatever is closest to optimal but still comfortable to you

[cloud dock]

i mean im trying to figure out what's optimal rn

[rich ore]

You have to find that sweet spot yourself

[cloud dock]

because i hit my keyboard all the time

[rich ore]

If people can be good whilst having their keyboard on their lap, I’m sure you can be good with most setups if you put your mind to it

If you just put the time into aim training I’m sure you’ll figure it out as you go

Currently it just looks like you’re overwhelming yourself with ideas that there’s that best posture that will make you into thanos

instant results usually don’t work out in the long run

[jaunty ermine]

as a counterpoint; bad ergonomics are not something to fuck with and just training through it with an uncomfortable setup can do a lot more harm than good

[cloud dock]

i might try to find an aiming coach to see if that'll help. my ergonomics are out of whack af

[rich ore]

Ergonomics wasn’t my point though, I’m talking overall improvement. You could literally have the basic ergonomic factors down and still be healthy and good, instead of wasting time overthinking perfect positioning at your table

[cloud dock]

ive got too many overuse injuries to not focus on it at this point tbh

[jaunty ermine]

well the topic of the convo is getting those basic economic things sorted out, there's no harm in trying to figure out what's considered the ideal and then working from there

personally if i'm not in a 99%+ perfect ergonomic setup i'll injure myself in 1-2 sessions

so like, yeah

[rich ore]

You humanly can’t maintain 99%+ perfect ergonomics for a long while

Unless you sit with 0 unnecessary movement and completely like a stick

[jaunty ermine]

well that would be very suboptimal because having mobility is rather important for ergonomics and health but this is beyond the point atm

[rich ore]

I’m sorry but there is no perfect ergonomics as all types of ergonomics would still cause harm when overdoing things like sitting

It would only help prevent injuries to a certain point

[jaunty ermine]

i think you might just be misunderstanding what i'm saying but that's okay

long story short it's good to get a comfortable setup that works for you

[rich ore]

This statement itself is so false, I’m just going off of what you said here

Not what I understand or not

I understand your overall point but that itself is so wrong

[jaunty ermine]

alright well if you want to keep going at it i'll clarify it for you; i'm suffering from chronic full body neuropathy and it's incredibly easy to injure myself badly while playing - if I am not accurately using my ergonomic habits that i painstakingly crafted through trial and error over the past 8 years since i developed the condition I will injure myself while playing. every time i make a mistake with how I'm handling my pc time, i will hurt myself.

but as i also said it's really not the point of the conversation and now we're derailed 🤷‍♀️

[rich ore]

You humanly can't have perfect ergonomics no matter who you are. You can have GOOD ergonomics but not to the point of it being anywhere near 99%. You can have GOOD ergonomics that suit you specifically but the human body is not capable of having PERFECT ergonomics no matter who you are.

Your situation has no matter in my point at all

[jaunty ermine]

semantics

[rich ore]

semantics... i've been telling u that it's physically impossible for the human body to achieve perfect ergonomics this entire time

you're just not reading what i'm saying

[jaunty ermine]

your definition of perfect ergonomics and my definition of perfect ergonomics are fundementally different, this conversation isn't going to go anywhere my friend lol

let's just move on?

[rich ore]

so your definition is binded specifically to you and your needs right

that's all i want to know

and im happy to move on

[rich ore]

@velvet spindle @summer trout

[velvet spindle]

ty

[tender shale]

This is the same with people trying to optimize hitting 169.5 grams of protein and making sure they do 6 days a week at the gym. My brother if you can just hit 160 and train hard 3 days a week you'll be fine lol

[kindred galleon]

Nah you don't train the same if you go 3x or 6x at the gym lol

[tender shale]

yh but theres people that are like well if i dont make it 6 days a week everything fails and ill stop training, or if they miss out 10g of protein its the end of their gains. It shouldnt work like that. Consistency will always beat perfection.

[acoustic cairn]

If I need to find a good desk and chair height, can I simply copy someone else's desk and chair height if they are the same height as me? Or is that not how it works?

[kindred galleon]

yea, that works

[jaunty ermine]

it might be a bit more complicated if your torso lengths are different, but gernally that's a good idea at least to start with

[violet swan]

I can say in perspective of time that all the symptoms on the wrist have disappeared and if there is any pain it is after a minimum of an hour of intensive training and only on the forearm and nowhere else

I've been training and functioning normally for a month now

weird

[lapis barn]

Anyone experiences veins feeling pressure during aim training?

[vocal wedge]

bro does anyone know how i can heal a suspected tfcc injury in both my wrists? its been kinda bad for a year and im almost certain its a tfcc injury

[ornate musk]

Nice! Glad it worked well for you!

[violet swan]

Relax tension

Even when flicking

You should tense only on landing imo

[hot dirge]

anyone had this pain in this area? what should i do is there an exercise or just take a break

[spark idol]

I have I just stretched and did strength exercises

I’m not recommending anything I’m purely saying what helped me

[tender shale]

Your symptoms are possible consistent with a syndrome known as “flick wrist syndrome” it’s kind of like a tendinitis (inflammation of the tendons) of the tendons responsible for ulnar deviation.
You may have noticed these symptoms after long sessions of gaming

Mainstay of treatment is to stop playing , do isotonic exercises and stretching before gaming sessions.
And consult physio/consider splinting.
I’m not an orthopedic surgeon nor physiotherapist so I can only give basic management.
Try not to use meds but you need to and have no issues with kidney function/gastric ulcer disease
Then consider NSAIDS like ibuprofen, just basic pain relief

[violet swan]

i have a question, i have a non adjustable desk with an adjustable chair is there a height i can put the chair at so my shoulder doesnt come out

[misty lantern]

why my forearm + wrist got hella itchy/rash after using the kurosun samurai after a bit (the part that touches and slides on the pad)

i used to use a hard pad without a sleeve then with a sleeve and had no problems, am i allergic to dust, or is the pad bad? ion think anyone else ik got this problem. is it also possible its a friction thing? i want to buy a new mousepad and i wanna make sure this dont repeat again

i wasnt sure if this went in periphs or not so ill ask here as well

[rich ore]

Yes, if ur chair isn’t able to get high enough you could put a pillow underneath u, a wooden slab/board under ur chair, you’ll need to experiment on your own to find the optimal height

There isn’t a said height that’s optimal as everyone is different, arm length, height, table height and chair height etc

[violet swan]

Thank u 👍

[rich ore]

I'm unsure about the about the mousepad but, something you could look out for is if your mousepad is abrasive. You could actually have a dust allergy though, rashes from dust are still quite rare even if you were allergic. I'd recommend cleaning your setup more often, take care of your hygiene (if you aren't). Otherwise I'd recommend you going to a health care advisor or even a dermatologist, If your problem is recurring.

The issue here is that so many factors could play role in why you're getting these rashes that nobody here could answer your case specifically. It could even just be a coincidence that you're getting a rash in those specific areas, so i suggest a more thorough look into it.

So i looked into it a little and found that it isn't an abrasiveness issue, unless you're allergic to something they coat the mousepad with so, I recommend option B.

[misty lantern]

uhhh i clean my mousepad lightly every day n generally im a pretty clean person like germaphobe so i was kinda confused as well

[misty lantern]

main diff from old pad and new pad is that the kurosun has like slight lines kinda like holes that r part of the weave

[shy lodge]

Is it normal to feel lactic acid buildup on biceps and shoulder when aimtraining?

[rich ore]

Tension over a long while could make you produce lactic acid over after a while if you have bad overall endurance and being unused to being tensed for long. There is no other factor in play than you being tense, especially in your bicep

When you're starting out with aim training it could be fairly normal as you're not used to being tensed up so much, It should go away as you progress in aim trainers and when you actually learn to control your tension

[violet swan]

hi does anyone know anything about chairs or where i could go for chairs

[kindred galleon]

whats the budget

that shi mad expensive rly fast

[violet swan]

£200

can go up a tiny bit

if it means better price to performance

[kindred galleon]

look up sihoo on amazon

that's a tough price bracket but at least you get smth decent

[violet swan]

i was having a look at these, but theres so many different ones the marketing is dumb

[kindred galleon]

used herman miller sayl near you would be the golden ticket

but it's so hard to come by

[violet swan]

yeah

i doubt i can get my hands on a herman miller tbh

[kindred galleon]

if you can go 300 or 400, look at a promo on the new Fractal Design chair

[violet swan]

i heard their chairs were good

refine chair being sold at £500...

[kindred galleon]

wait for promo

a good chair is really worth its price

it's like a good monitor, it makes more difference than the pc lol

[violet swan]

i would

but

ive been using this chair now for the past few months after my last one broke

and my back and aim has really taken the hit

and also need to somehow snipe a 5070 on release

looking miserable

[kindred galleon]

shit's rough at the moment yea

[kindred galleon]

i was waiting for 5070ti or std but i"ll skip both lol, gonna play at crap resolution until the Super come out

[violet swan]

like the chair i’m using is so bad it’s insane found it in an old shed

[violet swan]

i’m on a 7800x3d and a 1650 rn 😭😭😭

[kindred galleon]

king cpu, peasant gpu

[violet swan]

yeah literally im just trying to be patient

but anyways

ill look out for that fractal one

if not will have a look deeper into sihoo

[kindred galleon]

i have one, it's really decent

[violet swan]

do you know which model specifically?

[kindred galleon]

nah, amazon just has the pic but not the model name

!admin

@velvet spindle

[violet swan]

i think i saw those guys that review erganomic chairs say some good things about this one

[kindred galleon]

it's aight, it's on it's third year at my desk

the lumbar aint the best, it doesnt go quite as high as i'd like, the headrest is non adjustable

but it does a really solid work when i sit in it for 8h straight

can't say the same for any other chair at my place

[lapis barn]

helped a lot tysm

[reef thorn]

anyone else get pretty bad tension in specifically the neck and shoulder area

[tender shale]

No because that means you are contracting your trapezius/sternocleidomastoid, and it means your arms aren't rested on your table comfortably, you're lifting your arms and your shoulder joint is taking over which overtime produces excess strain without you realizing it

Rest your arms on the table and you'll be fine

[reef thorn]

0:

alright

i'm still just trying to switch to lower sens and arm aiming so my posture is pretty different

though i feel like i got a lot more neck tension when i was a wrist-only extreme sens gamer

i think im just struggling with getting my arm to move without overcompensating

but i sat further up to my desk and that feels better

[devout dome]

Its Amazon product

https://amzn.eu/d/gZHA6au

French amazon, but its the same chair

[uncut pendant]

My left shoulder blade hurts when gaming, especially during aim training. Any tips?

[merry junco]

i have it on my left side, and i dont know why, my arm is on my desk and its comfortable. but for some reason it hurts

[tender shale]

The same symptoms as the other person described? Be more detailed

[tender shale]

Kindly describe the pain:
where exactly on your shoulder blade? Is it medial? (Closer inwards to your spine) is it lateral? (Outside towards your shoulder itself) or anywhere else
Character (dull ache, sharp stabbing, tight pressure etc)
Does it spread anywhere
We know it’s worse with aim training, is there anything that relieves it?
Are there any other symptoms such as a burn or redness on the area, any issues with your range of motion of your shoulder?

Just a tip for most complaints I’ve seen here
Yall need to train your rotator cuff with external rotation + your lower trapezius muscles to maintain adequate shoulder mobility and strength especially with the position of gaming. It tightens your chest and internal rotation of your shoulder joint, this can lead to a pathological imbalance.
And rest your arm comfortably on your table

[uncut pendant]

where exactly on your shoulder blade? Is it medial? (Closer inwards to your spine) is it lateral? (Outside towards your shoulder itself) or anywhere else

• see picture

Character (dull ache, sharp stabbing, tight pressure etc)

• stabbing ig

Does it spread anywhere

• no

We know it’s worse with aim training, is there anything that relieves it?

• standing up and stretch a bit fixing it for short term

Are there any other symptoms such as a burn or redness on the area, any issues with your range of motion of your shoulder?

• no

i thought about desk height maybe but i tried arround and it didnt fix anything
also my left arm is my keyboard arm

[tender shale]

So that’s where teres minor/ and your lower trapezius are situated

Do you strength train? how often? And do you do rotator cuff / external rotation work? And tell me about the length of your gaming in a day with aim training

[uncut pendant]

i did but stopped last year summer now i just do cardio

i play arround 6hrs a day. i have those issues since a year but its getting worse so the pain starts after 1hr already

[tender shale]

If you don’t have time or passion for strength training that’s fine
But if you can get a physio massage to relax your tight “gaming-dominant muscles and mechanics” which are mainly internal rotation of the shoulder joint, and strengthen your external rotation it’ll be better. It’s again a common issue I describe above

[uncut pendant]

i tried physio but didnt help much not for long term

[tender shale]

I’m not a physiotherapist I just do the referrals, but all you need is some resistance bands, a foam roller/stretches for pectorals and lats etc

[tender shale]

1. Were you compliant with the treatment
2. What did they prescribe? You should have a routine for external rotation strength training via resistance bands at least. I can give you some exercises I used to do cause I had that issue.

And you also need a routine to stretch your tight internal rotators (pecs, lats etc)

[uncut pendant]

aigth ty

[tender shale]

Np, happy to help (:

[sweet flower]

any1 know any good lotions for dry skin that acc last

[slender cobalt]

when i play games i have an extreme lack of focus especially when my enemies peek me i believe this is due to eye strain, i used to take caffeine which made me not notice it, now whenever i play for more than half an hour my eye strain becomes really bad, i already drink a lot of water, try to blink a lot, have lowest brightness and contrast, take eye drops, have a blue-light filter on, and take breaks. i also wear prescription blue light glasses, but the problem always comes back after a while. these solutions have only been temporary and delayed my eye strain but it seems to get worse every time i play.

[honest plaza]

had the same, could be that u need glasses even tho u might not notice a bad eyesight

like newly adjust cuz ur eyesight changed or so on

[slender cobalt]

i got the prescription a month ago

[honest plaza]

hmmm okay thats odd then

[merry junco]

Yes, ive recently started lifting my wrist, but that doesnt make sense that i feel it in my left trap. Left arm is wresting on the table

[kindred galleon]

Use the stuff used for curing burned skin. Tiny amount daily, lasts much longer than lotions

[kindred galleon]

Make frequent breaks to look at far away objects. Focusing up c'ose for more than 30mins does fatigue the eyes a ton

[median topaz]

Is hand weakness and wrist soreness sign of carpel tunnel. Can’t tell if it’s just from gym or aim training 2h a day

[unborn herald]

does it feel like fatigue or a different kind of weakness

[median topaz]

idk it's a bit weird like a tendon thing or something in wrist. like the very bottom part of hand.

[unborn herald]

that sounds kinda scary

[ornate musk]

Could be some sort of carpal tunnel syndrom, yes. I would advise you to try to reduce your aim training time and also try to do some wrist endurance training in your gym time, if you can, since it will help you out for recovery and prevention too.

[median topaz]

What exactly is wrist endurance. I mean my wrists are already decently strong just from lifting so much but idk about endurance

[ornate musk]

Well, it's the endurance of your wrist, you know about the fact that if you increase your rep amount and lower your weight for the reps, you will not gain much strength, but you will be able to do the exercises much more than normal, it's kind of the same with the wrist. One of the best resources I could refer to you is from 1hp, here is the main video I like to refer to for endurance training : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_7x46S3Nic

There is also the rice bucket routine that is good, from 1hp too.

But well, I might not have answer your question, now that I think about it, so let me explain a bit more as to why it's might be relevant to your problem and well, I already send a video on how to fix it. The reason why that might be relevant to your problem is that a lot of the case of carpal tunnel syndrome and repetitive strain injuries (rsi) are caused by wrist that are over used over a short or long period of time without the right endurance for it. Some have low endurance and doing 2h of aim training a day for a few day will give them serious injuries, some will do that for a few years before getting injured. The injuries happen when you have used a good part of your endurance, 1hp name is from the fact that they heal at 1hp, but I think that if you go at 10% of the hp of your hand, you might have a rsi after a while, that is why their mission is to increase your hp bat (endurance) to get you better for that. The way you can do it is with some endurance training, like in the video, and to manage the load you have for your hands/wrist and arms.

The reason why it make you feel pain is that the tendons can kind of "collapse" onto the carpal tunnel and make your nerve irritated and that make it that you feel pain and you have weekness too, with better endurance, your tendons will stay in place and not irritate the nerve (at least not as much)

[median topaz]

Ok thank you I will try those exercises tomorrow. And ya in my case I went from no fps games for two years to aim training 2+ hours a day and 2+ hours valorant every single day for a month

[iron fractal]

When i'm gaming my shoulder is in a large amount of discomfort and im constintly trying to find a confortable position and cant its messing my consistincy and during games since i get caught trying to adjust it, any tips

[kindred galleon]

Carpal tunnel's most telling symptom is the loss of strength in the hand. Other things like stabbing needles in the inner part of the forearm, strong burning sensation at the joints are also a thing.

If it's just fatigue, it's fatigue. Make more frequent breaks during gameplay and pay attention to your health, like hydration vitamins etc.

[tender shale]

it is still possible for you to tense your trapezius (contract the muscle) without actively forcing a load on your shoulder joint. For example you may notice some people tilt their downwards while playing even unintentionally.

[merry junco]

tilt their what downwards?

head?

[tender shale]

Yes, or laterally towards their neck

Just now i finished a match of counter strike and iw as tense, i can feel it in my neck lol

[uncut pendant]

playing since 5min and pain already kicking

[tender shale]

The same pain in the bottom shoulder blade right?

Did you do any foam rolling / stretches for pecs / lats
And did you do any external rotation strengthening

[uncut pendant]

tried to stretch a bit

[kindred galleon]

Tennis ball between your chair and your back

Best shit ever for anything between the shoulder blades and under

[uncut pendant]

ill try out

[glacial marlin]

if you're early pubescent it might have to do with that, my shoulders hurt a lot around that time in my life.

peeps who sleep on they side, my pectoral aches so fucking bad any stretches you'd recommend

[rain delta]

is it good if I aimtrain like 30 minutes after I wake up?

[kindred galleon]

Lateral raises without weights, go as high up as you can

[kindred galleon]

Also, if you sleep on your side use a pillow that maintains your head at a level angle so you don't tense the neck and pecs bc of bad position

[rich ore]

Why would you choose to do dynamic stretches against pain that’s already there, there are so many static stretches that would give far greater results

Lateral raises work mostly your shoulders and you won’t get a significant stretch in your pectoral doing them even when you experience chest pain

[kindred galleon]

cuz it wont kill those pecs that are already sore, it's also less intensive on the muscles at risk.

i stated weightless motion, it shouldn't hurt anything but get a decent ROM to the muscle and help get some decent stretch

[radiant dagger]

elbow pain tips?

[cinder phoenix]

pain in the bottom of my thumb, like on the palm if u get me from microadjusting on pokeball any tips?

[kindred galleon]

You're too tensed up, you either need a larger mouse so you don't pi'ch it as much or relax your grip, and use your arm more to compensate for the loss of finger mobility

[cinder phoenix]

might be the mouse tbf, its a op1 8k, and yeah man ill try that

it went away but its fairly strange as ive never felt it before

[kindred galleon]

I too have issues when using the OP1 8k, doesn't fit my grip that well

[split topaz]

i have pain in my hand tendons specifically right before my knuckles any tips?

[violet swan]

Can anyone recommend a resource for general setup ergonomics? i.e monitor height tilt etc

[kindred galleon]

https://youtu.be/locnPgVvRio

[kindred galleon]

https://youtu.be/locnPgVvRio

[tender shale]

You NEED strengthening for your rotator cuffs and stretches for those muscles. You can youtube pec/lat stretches. As for strength for rotator cuffs, buy resistance bands and try these two exercises: 1. Band pull-apart (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoL5784uNwg&ab_channel=[BackSpace]ChiropracticFitnessTV) I recommend doing it unilaterally with 1 arm. I tie my resistance band on a door knob and then perform the exercise. 2. Sharapovas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krMbY1VKo-g&ab_channel=AretePhysiotherapy) Those were part of my routine, they are favorites of mine. Another exercise 3. Serratus wall slide, but for a hack to keep your rotator cuff activated, put a resistance band between your arms, kind of like you're doing the sharapovas, then do the wall slide, the tension from the resistance bands forces an isometric contraction of your rotator cuff (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXhb6ZFqsn0&ab_channel=BSRPhysicalTherapy) <- so do that same exercise but put a resistance band

As for reps there's really nothing specific but, 10 reps each side x 3 sets minimum 3x a week isnt a bad start. And do NOT forget to foam roll tight muscles! Your pecs, and lats especially.

@uncut pendant also sorry for the late response was covering 24 hr call :Z

[uncut pendant]

dwdw thanks for ur help

[median topaz]

Is it normal for wrist to hurt more after gentle massage and stretch. My wrist would always hurt more or have a burning feeling in forearm and wrist area after gentle massage and stretch

[dense tangle]

anyone know what the muscle/part is located in the upper back? shoulderblades? trapezius?

[fallen osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169577662017175622/1346120997325246625/reject_m0dernity.gif

[marsh latch]

Yes and no, different people react differently to those things. If it disappears in the same day its nothing to really worry about IF the pain is tolerable

[kindred galleon]

depends the part of the upper back lol

[kindred galleon]

real, but cigs taste like shit lol

[dense tangle]

im not sure my self, when i look at image its around that part. i think i figured it out looking at previous comment history though im not certain if its posture or just too much tension on my part.

[kindred galleon]

this part is easily affected by chair height/desk height

[cyan rivet]

The middle of my spine feels bruised but isnt. is this a sign of my chair being too high or too low?

[median topaz]

Well it’s been going on for over a week now despite stopping aim training. But the pain has always been mild.

[outer zephyr]

Hello guys! I have issues with my posture when playing. i frequently experience back and neck strain/fatigue when playing. Its either my low back or my traps/neck. When i try to sit upright, my shrugging is largely reduced, but i seem to fatigue my low back and hips very quickly (typically feel it within 15min). When i relax my low back and sort of slide my hips forward i dont fatigue as fast, but this leeds to my upper back "collapsing" and i start to shrug. I have suspected this to be a table/chair height issue, however as i am 5 foot 10 and keep my desk at 70cm this doesnt seem correct as many shorter players seem to have good posture at a typical 73-78cm desk. I have my chair as tall as i can while maintaining solid contact with my feet.TLDR: straight posture fatigues my low back/hips, while a more "collapsed" posture causes shrugging and neck pain. I hope someone here has experience similar issues and can provide some tips for me on what to do. Thanks in advance to whoever reads 🙂

[median topaz]

Assuming posture is decent, this is probably caused by muscle imbalances from tightness and weakness (common thing from sedentary lifestyle). Neck tightness is connected to trap tightness(lower all the way to upper trap). Probably caused by trap weakness. Would recommend face pulls if you have access to a gym. Targets rear delt and mid traps.

I personally do shrugs, face pulls, and a lot of lat exercises. Lats not necessarily for this.

[marsh latch]

Nah thats not normal and i guess it didnt really come from the massage/ stretches if it takes that long. Probably just trained too much, and the stuff you did to help it aggravated it

[tender shale]

Weak core, weak lower traps/rotator cuff that warrant strenghtening + tight muscles in other areas eg tight hamstrings/quads and tight internal rotators/pectorals/latissimus dorsi

3x a week of proper strength training with correctives, you will notice an improvement

• Foamrolling/stretching of the tight muscles i mentioned

[dusk hollow]

if you're naturally slouching, your core is stronger than your back muscles

when you sit down on a bed or something, does your back have a significant curve?

[marsh latch]

Hey man, the stuff you described is something called postural pain, which is totally normal. Every posture you are in (relaxed like slouching or active posture like sitting up straight) gets uncomfortable after a period of time (one of the many reasons you move in your sleep and dont keep the same position like dracula). Different people describe this pain after different amounts of time and the general advice is changing your posture more frequently when youre sitting for a longer period of time. another good advice is the one from @tender shale . General and consistent strength training can improve your endurance in said postures, so youll be able to stay longer in those positions before you experience this kind of discomfort

[polar merlin]

healthy food

[rose vale]

bro what is this

[spark idol]

Bro

That looks like shit

[flint cliff]

is that Kompott? idk the englisch wor

[exotic tusk]

any stretches to help with pain at pinky area?

[vocal sapphire]

Yo, so this thing started happening around 2021 where when my body heat rises or I lightly tense my hand when using my mouse for prolonged periods, my pointer finger, thumb, and pinky (but mostly pointer finger) on my right hand start to get red and hot. They don't actually hurt though, but the heat is annoying and uncomfortable. I've also never had any issues with wrist pain. I assume it started happening because I was grinding my aim hard while not doing the proper stretches. I haven't really grinded since then, but it hasn't gotten better or worse since. Is this very obviously Carpal Tunnel (and should see a doctor)? Also, anybody who has had an experience similar to this, does using a smaller mouse help to alleviate it? I've been using a Deathadder V3 Pro and Viper 8K, but I'm starting to wonder if the size+form factor combined with claw grip contributed to cause this issue

[rich ore]

Your rashes wrap around the top of your hand. I have a hard time believing you got this from aim training. You should most definitely see a health care advisor or even go to your dermatologist

It looks like a mild case of dermatitis, you could be fine just moisturising

[vocal sapphire]

Haven't really thought of it as a rash, I have gigadry skin tho, so it would make sense. The red colour only happens when my hand heats up. Will def get it checked out tho, tyvm!

[rich ore]

Heating makes you dry up to a degree, you could try washing your hands between games or just moisturising

[vocal sapphire]

Could dryness cause my hand to heat up? That's my main concern, because the heating feels very abnormal, and why I'm worried about carpal tunnel

[rich ore]

No, you holding your mouse and tensing (actively using your muscles) or friction cause you to heat up

For me personally the heat makes me sweat a lot so I use antiperspirant for longer aim training sessions

[vocal sapphire]

Ah, I see

Where I live it's actually super cold, so usually the rest of my body is cold, but my thumb, pointer, and pinky will heat up a ton

It's like, my body heat is directed into my aiming hand lmao

Or something is being irritated and swelling/inflaming

[rich ore]

When you’re cold your body warms you up, you getting warmth from friction actually makes your hand heat up even more making that heat be able to be directed to your body instead

I live in Sweden so I get what you’re saying

[vocal sapphire]

I think I'm gonna schedule a doctor's appointment soon just to be safe, tyvm! :D

[marsh latch]

In the meantime look for some moisturizer with panthenol while youre at it, your hand looks very dry and flaky. Panthenol helps to rebuild your skin barrier if its irritated by the dryness. And drink alot

[outer zephyr]

@marsh latch @tender shale @median topaz Thank you all for great repsonses! Muscle tightness sounds like the root of my issue. I wouldnt suspect its a strength issue as im an active weight lifter with good upper and lower body strength, however i guess it could also be an imbalance. I will start a stretching routine to try and target these areas and hopefully get some relief.

[outer zephyr]

Yes i do naturally slouch, atleast after some time. Although, my back doesnt completely collaps, but it does slouch

[dapper beacon]

massage dat

[polar merlin]

Liver

[polar merlin]

liver

[flint cliff]

ahhh

[polar merlin]

Multivitamin central boyo

[flint cliff]

True

[polar merlin]

tastes good too

wothout salting it

i drink the blood too for more nootrients

[flint cliff]

Im not to experienced with liver tbh, ate it sometimes but mostly in paste form

[flint cliff]

thats where i cut the line xD

[polar merlin]

Why

Its good for you

[flint cliff]

never tried it aside from sausage

[polar merlin]

its what ur made from

how can it not be good for u

[flint cliff]

i could imagine there is too much iron but i never drank blood

[polar merlin]

im eating some more right now

[flint cliff]

which animal can you drink the blood from?

[polar merlin]

any that you get from a trustworthy farmer

[outer zephyr]

ur going to get vitamin a toxicity dude

[polar merlin]

supermarket animal blood will probably Make you a woman

[polar merlin]

nah bro, i only eat it when i crave it

my body knows when i need nootrients

[flint cliff]

have you eaten blood sausage?

[outer zephyr]

well, my body seems to know when i need donuts

[polar merlin]

Yes until you get diabetes and rot your teeth and have gut issues from the toxins in the dough and glaze

[flint cliff]

I think thats kind of an unfair comparison as Donuts are so highly processed but I agree too much blood/liver cant be healthy

[polar merlin]

too much blood doesnt exist

liver maybe

but ik when to stop

[flint cliff]

I think too much blood is unhealthy beccause of the iron content, isnt healthy if its too much

[outer zephyr]

im sort of joking, but i wouldnt just listen to your body when it comes to consuptions of such nutrient dense foods. its not unnatural to have unlimited access to liver

[flint cliff]

also why you shouldnt drink your own nosebleed

[polar merlin]

Its not unnatural

?

[outer zephyr]

its not natural to have liver for breakfast, lunch and dinner

[polar merlin]

Cuz thats ur blood so if u drink it again most of the nootrients will be losy

[polar merlin]

i only have it once every few days

like 1-3 depending on how i feel

[outer zephyr]

that sound more reasonable👍🏾

[flint cliff]

"Hemochromatosis occurs when the body absorbs too much iron, which can build up to harmful levels.
Primary hemochromatosis is caused by hereditary factors, while secondary hemochromatosis is caused by eating a diet too high in iron or by multiple blood transfusions. The condition can cause illness and damage to organs" https://www.healthline.com/health/drinking-blood#side-effects this occurs with almost every blood from mammals, not only humans

[tender shale]

You're always welcome, happy to help with what I can 😄 heading to orthopedics and physiotherapy will always be the mainstay of my advice though

[kindred galleon]

This takes a while to reach tho, eating liver weekly isn't nearly enough for that to happen

[flint cliff]

drinking blood though

[kindred galleon]

Also you mf really eating raw liver ?

[kindred galleon]

Not nearly as dense as liver tho, lots of water in blood

[tender shale]

Not once have i eaten raw liver nor do I condone it. Not saying you'll die if you eat it.

Just eat 80% minimally processed nutrient dense whole foods, and 20% any treat food you like, and you'll probably be fine

[exotic tusk]

ight will try ty

[dapper beacon]

or get a wider mouse

if thats your issue with a narrow mouse

[exotic tusk]

I have 18.5×9 hands and using a hitscan hyperlight rn

think the issue is that sometimes I deathgrip my mouse

[kindred galleon]

your photos are just criminal then

but guys listen to this crazy SoB, those foods are good for you

eat horse meat, game if you can, don't shy from fatty pork cuts, etc

variety is important, that's where you get the benefits from meat nutrients

[exotic tusk]

thanks for the advice added some grip tape to thicken sides lets see hwo it goes

[tender shale]

My photos???? I didn’t send any 😂

[polar merlin]

I am

[kindred galleon]

Gotta burn your tongue with vitriol to stomach the taste of sum like this

[spice dagger]

dude my upper back gets sore when i play a bit

idk if its bc of my low sens and i need to get used to it

or my posture

0.09 1600 dpi val

[shadow sun]

In the last week or so I've been having some pain in my hand that I aim with. The pain usually comes out when playing or aim training and I first noticed it after a pretty long session of aim training and since then it comes back. It hurts somewhere in the middle of my hand if that makes sense. I assume it's probably because I am using too much tension/pressure (im learning to use less currently). Should I just try to take a break from all things games till it goes away or is there something else I can do?

[dapper beacon]

just got my maya x bro and this thing

the contact to my palm and the width of the mouse is super comfortable

[prisma rock]

boys calw gripping my mouse is hurting the bottom of my thumb is it my mouse or jsut rsi ? any exercises / rehab to do ?

(mouse is gwolves hts +4k and an xm1r)

[violet swan]

These VDIMs are great, but intense 70+ min aim routines cannot be healthy for the nerves in the wrist 🤔

[rose vale]

You can take breaks, and there’s wrist, hand and finger stretches for stuff like that to minimize any injury

[marsh latch]

its a training routine, like any workouts breaks are essential so that stuff like this does not happen

[kindred galleon]

i almost never play a vdim in it's full form, it's way too long w retries

[median topaz]

Need someone to help diagnose my injury and give suggestions. About two weeks ago I've stopped aim training and games because of burning sensation in carpal area when I click with pointer finger.

Context: right side upper trap likely pulled over a month ago during high weight shrugs(apparently nerve in carpal area is connected to this). Normal wrist irritation during push exercises like dumbbell press. started intense aim training in January and did it everyday. Also have to use mouse, keyboard, and pen frequently at work.

Symptoms: extensor carpi radialis longus sore for about four weeks. burning sensation in carpal area. no tingling or burning in fingers. I did carpal tunnel test by pressing wrists together and only burning in carpal area. I've also noticed the back of my shoulder aching. And just today I am getting pain in the back of my hand and even my left wrist has started hurting.

I've done gentle stretches and light wrist exercises and they seem to have made things worse. It's gotten to the point that I can't even do upper body exercises at the gym anymore because it will irritate my wrist. Has anyone experienced this and know of any ways to accelerate healing?

[violet swan]

@rose vale @marsh latch @kindred galleon Understood, I was under the impression these routines were supposed to be tried to be played in full at once. Apologies for not reading all the documentation. ❤️

[rose vale]

No worries! Good luck

[kindred galleon]

Keep yourself warm, especially the shoulder and injured arm, rest a fuck ton. I've gone years without guitar due to an injury very similar to yours and it's taken a whole to get back in business after that.

If you're in a country where electromyograms are cheap/you have access to healthcare, go for one so your doc knows for sure whether it's CTS or not.

[still harness]

Does anyone have any representation at how much I should stay at the table in relation to my body?

height

[ornate musk]

Something like this?https://www.omnicalculator.com/everyday-life/desk-height
Or something else? I am not sure I understand what you mean

[still harness]

Not exactly, it is in relation to the height of my arm on the table I do not know if there is a problem I leave it a little raised or should change to be parallel to the body as it indicates in the image

[ornate musk]

You want about a 100 degree angle, so your wrist a little bit lower that your elbow

So elbow a bit higher than the table, if possible.

[still harness]

elbow more than 100 degrees

Type about 130 140

[ornate musk]

If it's way more than 100 degree, like 120+, it might be a bit too much for that and you either want a higher table or a smaller chair. That is the better way to have it for ergonomic, but well, there is some very good players that can still do it in weird position anyway.

[still harness]

I am used to playing with the high elbow, as I try to leave the elbow in 100 degrees I feel lost performance in the target, I do not know if it is a matter of usual

[ornate musk]

I don't think it will be too bad for you how you normally play, so I think it's fine. I am not an expert for that at all though.

[still harness]

Ok thanks

[gaunt thistle]

thumb twitching, wrist tight. Any advice?

also sometimes when i click i get a sharp sensation and prickling down my arm

[woven mural]

rest

[gaunt thistle]

thats it

[woven mural]

yeah

[gaunt thistle]

what if it comes back

[woven mural]

i had a hard time aiming earlier cus my hand was hurting

took some time off

then its back

cant say that im good but i was performing really badd earlier cus my hand was hurting

[gaunt thistle]

how long

[woven mural]

idk like

30 mins

or 1 hr

[gaunt thistle]

dude

my shi is more serious den dat

[woven mural]

yeha

leave it off

for a while then

if ur hands hurting just stop

cause itsj ust gonna make u worse

[split topaz]

anyone got anything on hand tendon pain?

[rich ore]

Tension or grip problem

[spark idol]

I just ate 1,5 pounds of 90% lean ground beef for lunch

[solemn compass]

Hello, hope everyone is doing good, need some advice, every time I aim train in aimlabs I get dizzy, I tried changing the background color from bright to dark mode which helped a bit, but 15 min in and I feel dizzy again, plus my vision will get blurry

[edgy kite]

you need to go to the doctors

[hallow hazel]

Has anyone else gotten severe neck pain (caused by upper back tightness) after grinding aimtraining? I'm about 50 hours into kovaaks and have been doing 2 hours a day. My neck has become so painful that it's hard to move my head side to side. In order to release it I need to use a lacrosse ball to get deep into my upper back and rotator cuffs. This causes me to be sore the next day and I'm feeling a little ill.

My ergonomics are good, I sit up straight, eyes in upper third of monitor, aeron chair. I use the same setup for 12hr+ a day for work and no issues previously, so I'm fairly certain it's from being tense during aimtraining.

Has anyone else experienced anything similar? Should I take a break till I feel better? What can I do to prevent it in future?

[uncut spear]

I've been trying to sleep earlier so I can get more sleep, but I always end up waking up after 5-6 hours. I can't really get much sleep afterwards either, so I end up feeling tired throughout the day. What can I do to help sleep longer?

[upbeat crystal]

Heyo folks, to anybody who might have more experience than me. I've lately been feeling a lot of weakness and shakiness, especially when making movements towards the pinky, and I've been drawing a blank on what it could be. I'm gonna start resistance training for the time being and see how that helps, but does anyone have an idea on what could be the cause?

[hallow hazel]

Let me guess, when you wake up the reason you can't get back to sleep is because you have thoughts you can't quiet? If so, keeping your phone in another room (e.g. kitchen) when you sleep can be a big help. Even if you don't typically use your phone in your bedroom, it helps you get more restful sleep by quieting the mind. After a week or so you'll subconsciously 'learn' that you can't act on your thoughts by checking your phone and your mind will start to have less intrusive thoughts. Meditation during the day also helps a lot, but it's more gradual

There's also the basic but effective sleep hygiene tips: set an alarm for when you go to bed and make it the same time every day (trains your body for sleep), hydrate before sleeping but not too much so that you wake up and pee (keep a log of how much you drink if necessary), use blackout curtains to keep the room dark (use eyemask if necessary)

[kindred galleon]

Chronic tension build up, it's about as common as it gets. Drink lots, eat lots, sleep lots. Exercise is always a good idea. It'll go away on its own if you rest properly

[upbeat crystal]

It's such an unsatisfying answer especially when I feel like I've actually been resting well lately but you're probably right

[kindred galleon]

happens to the best of us lol, i'm beating all my pb atm and want nothing more than to play a ton, yet i fucked my thumb w exercise and need to take a break, feels shitty lol

[stuck radish]

What do y'all do about arm day pumps affecting your training?

[kindred galleon]

space the two out

i keep workouts to the morning, gaming to the evening

[rich ore]

Aim train in the morning and work out in the afternoon

[fervent radish]

Guys I started doing grip strength training everytime before I aimtrain to work my overall muscles in that area because I dealt with pain during long aiming sessions (and also in the gym sometimes, especially when training back) and now I reached a point where I broke my 80kg grip strength trainer, am I cooked?💀

[grim flame]

ts why i quit aiming too many sweats

[rich ore]

What he wrote isn’t about aiming…, he wrote about him overcoming his wrist pain with strength training because of aim training

[rose vale]

Ts why I quit working out, too many sweats. 💔🥀

[hazy epoch]

if you let passionate people bump you out of your hobby you are weak.

[rich ore]

Comparison is the thief of joy

[unborn herald]

does anyone else sleep 12 hours after aim training a lot

[median topaz]

Had RSI for almost a month now. Stopped games, stopped the gym, tried every tendon glide/exercise/stretch under the sun I could find online. watched pretty much every 1hp video. not sure what to do now. are endurance exercises bad if you currently have inflamed tendons?

[kindred galleon]

12h of actual sleep is crazy

[kindred galleon]

Is the rsi diagnosed by a doc, or by yourself ?

[median topaz]

Myself. RSI is just a general term that covers muscle, tendon, and nerve injury due to a repetitive motion.

[kindred galleon]

Rsi takes a very long time to heal. I've used Reishi and Lion's Mane to great success during this period, ymmv.

Make sure your sleep is the best it can be while your arm heals

[median topaz]

💔 there is very clear signs I have tendon and nerve irritation. Seeing doctor on Monday but I honestly doubt they or a typical PT will know anything useful

[kindred galleon]

Have an electromyogram done if possible, it's pretty definitive as an answer as to nerve damage

[median topaz]

Pretty sure no nerve damage but just nerve irritation. I’ve seen clear cubital tunnel syndrome symptoms but they were mild and didn’t last long. I’ve had much worse pinched nerve in my leg before and fully cured that through muscle training and stretching so I’m not too concerned about nerves yet

Problem is at work I’m forced to use pencil, keyboard, and mouse a lot so I can never give it a rest

[kindred galleon]

Best of luck, you could maybe try compression gloves or sleeves if the situation allows for it

[median topaz]

have you healed and are able to aim train even? I just want to return to being able to perform at work, go to the gym, and aim train as much as i want without worry

[marsh latch]

just keep in mind to keep quiet with self diagnoses when youre talking with a professional, you never know what doc you get and how he handles his ego with google doctors 🙂

[median topaz]

it's gonna be so annoying when he google searches in front of me and prints out the first pdf he finds on stretches. then tells me to "avoid things that irritate it" happens everytime

[kindred galleon]

I'm in better shape I've ever been. Sports has helped me so much cure my nerve damage, it's quite insane. It's taken over 3 years in total

[median topaz]

bruh i dont want 3 years i literally just built my pc

[marsh latch]

thats a reason why you should not do that, make him look for it through talking, inspection, and testing. the typical reason for that what you described is lack of time. and the usual advice that "happens" everytime is because thats the start of it. irritated structures need rest first. a pt is usually for the after care after the inital rest to show you how to load and plan the following training of the irritated structure

[kindred galleon]

You might not be at the level I was, check with your doc. Ask for as much testing as he'll let you

[median topaz]

I've rested it for almost a month now to the best of my ability and it isnt cutting it

[marsh latch]

pain is at the start always a warning signal that something may happen in the long run. if you ignored that warning for a longer period of time until something happens, its on you mate. the body told you, and you didnt listen, so you gotta deal with the consequences 😦

[kindred galleon]

I've had mri, shoulder echographies, emg, lots of other tests before finding anything worthy and actually meaningful

[marsh latch]

if you really injured something and it has to heal, youre in for a ride, a month is nothing in typical wound healing

[median topaz]

man i guess there will be no egirls for awhile then. ill just have to come to terms with that huh

[marsh latch]

bro wait for monday and see what the doctor tells you. if youre not satisfied press for a sports doc or pt

[crisp elbow]

I think I'm starting to develop carpal tunnel, I've got a whole bunch of the symptoms (tingle in the fingers, wrist/back of forearm pain). I'm a Comp Sci student (go figure lol) and when I'm not coding I'm playing Val or some other FPS, which is probably why it's affecting me.

Any advice on how to cope with this?

[dim scroll]

weight lifting, rotator cuff exercises and wrist and finger exercises really helped me

used to have severe wrist pain and shoulder pain

a youtuber called squatuniversity is my goto for physical therapy videos

[crisp elbow]

Baller, thanks for the advice!

[dim scroll]

NP

[dim scroll]

also if you're playing for long periods try to stretch out your wrist and fingers every 1-2 hours just so you dont get stiff

[kind island]

i have subscapularis pain can someone help me

[kindred galleon]

tennis ball between your chair and your back

roll it around and massage the scapula

[kind island]

thanks

[reef thorn]

my shoulder is damn sore after playing ultrakill and then valorant all day what do

i know i should treat myself better in the long term but how can i reduce the soreness now

[marsh latch]

not much you can do , youll get used to it and the soreness gets less after a while. just be sure to differentiate between soreness and pain. soreness is not needed but "okay", pain is a no go

[reef thorn]

yeah well i just meant more like can i massage it somehow to make it better right now :v

[marsh latch]

yeah, you can wait until it disappears

[kindred galleon]

Same advice, use tennis ball and your chair's backrest

[fallen garnet]

Does anyone have any experience with pain in the hands knuckle area that largely goes away when wearing gloves? It's driving me nuts tbh, it won't go away and the fact that gloves soothe the pain is confusing as fuck. Have no idea what's causing it

[rich ore]

Any tension within the fingers also tenses the knuckles. Sounds like you death grip or have an unnatural mouse grip, perhaps a tension problem by itself. Using gloves helps linder the problem because less tension is needed to hold the mouse thus decreasing pain

It could be an ergonomic issue where your just unaligned or at the wrong height

Making ur fingers have to compensate for the lack of stability

[kindred galleon]

Joints

When gloves helps, most often it's the compression factor that alleviates the joints. Add more collagen to your diet

[warm canyon]

should i be able to do an hour straight of aim training? how do you guys break up your practise? im using vdim on kovaaks, i find my arm fatigues really quickly, like its properly painful

[marsh latch]

i usually to a 2-3 minute break after my eyes get tired or i lack concentration. Happens mostly after every scenario block, sometimes even earlier

[opaque pier]

I don't have any problems with clicking scenarios, I can do them for hours. But after 10 minutes of target switching or tracking scenarios, when I have to press the left mouse button, my wrist starts to hurt. So I just bind fire to spacebar and press it while doing tracking scenarios. In this way, my wrist doesn't hurt. Is this bad for my aim, and should I play tracking scenarios with me pressing LMB and do some exercises for my pain? If so, what exercises should I do to fix my problem?

[kindred galleon]

Space bar use is fine, it doesn't change anything. Doing exercise is always better than not, stretches as well

[surreal tartan]

How can I tell if I push too hard in the gym?

[kindred galleon]

You don't recover after 3 days

[tight jewel]

Within session, if your vision blacks out for a sec and sparks start flying. And also if you fatigue starting from first exercise and you can't seem to pick up your breathing to normal until end of entire sesh

Across sessions, what half note said

[surreal tartan]

Thanks guys

[fervent radish]

Genuine question, how to best fix my sleep schedule?
I have an important exam in 5 days and I have to be up by 6am to get there on time.
Problem is, for the past month, I have always went to bed around 5am. So obviously that is gonna be an issue lmao

Would you recommend me trying to wake up early for the next 5 days even if I go to bed late or would you recommend me to pull an all nighter tonight and let that (hopefully) fix my sleep schedule forcefully?

[dense lagoon]

wake up at 11am go to bed at 12am

[fervent radish]

I wake up 11am everyday but I am still up until 4-5 lol
Earliest I can go to bed is like 3💀

[dense lagoon]

just turn off the lights n lie there

[kindred galleon]

no screens in the bedroom

[tight jewel]

Is your issue that you fear you will oversleep day of the exam and miss it or that you won't be able to properly study these next few days

[fervent radish]

My issue is that I want to have 8 hours of sleep on the day of the exam but I have to wake up at 6 and going to sleep at 10pm seems absolutely impossible to me

I will definitely not oversleep. I always wake up when my alarm rings, even if I barely slept. I just dont want to be tired DURING the exam. That is my only issue

[fervent radish]

Easier said than done I only have one room lmao
But of course those screens are all turned off when I actually try to sleep

[lean flower]

Seems like ur overthinking sleep
If 10pm seems impossible try earlier or at least the latest would b midnight
And turn off all electronics and notifications then play like white noise or sleep sounds

[tight jewel]

yeah novaskat is right, ur overthinking sleep.

I'd argue being harsh on yourself and being fatalistic about it will hurt more than a few less hours of sleep.

Not having 8 hours of sleep is bad when it compounds over many days, so you sleeping less hours for the next 5 nights hurts your chances. you not sleeping 8 hours day of the exam is meeeeh get 8 hours of sleep these next few nights whatever the schedule and you'll be up and running

biggest exams in my life I took on 2-3 hours of sleep. my sleep schedule was good, it was just the anxiety of taking the test tomorrow that would have me rolling in the bed for hours. its perhaps body's way of dealing wit it

you know Georges St-Pierre the UFC legend? he said the only time he slept good before a fight he took an L. so dont sweat it bro, study and get 8 hours in these next few nights. ull be good

[vivid cedar]

I am just coming back to aim training after not playing much for the last like year or something and I am having alot of issues with over tensing and shaking that I have never had before. Anyone have any suggestions for getting through that?

[brittle dust]

how do you stop turning off your alarm?

[dull ravine]

try gripping your mouse with the lightest possible grip, then playing precise tracking at high sensitivity till you manage to stay with that really light grip for the entire minute, take deep breaths and try to exercise
avoid excessive caffeine, above 100mg could affect your shakiness

[dull ravine]

this app called "alarmy" in the play store (android) is an alarm that makes you do missions to deactivate the alarm, such as taking steps, jumping, or solving math problems or scanning certain qr codes so that it makes you actually turn on your brain when you hear the alarm and you can't fall back asleep (the alarm will never turn off unless you complete the mission) it has helped me for so many years it's incredible

[glacial mango]

Anyone else ever felt cold air on the top of their hand after a bit of aiming? Like,as if it was slightly wet and you could feel the air breeze (really weird question,but happened to me yesterday out of nowhere and its making me worry)

And no i didnt have a fan,anything cold near my hand or stuff like that. No external factors.

[dull ravine]

it should not be a concern unless you start experiencing tingling and numbness, it just seems to be a nerve/blood circulation quirk

even if you don't get to sweat you can experience slight perspiration due to blood flow and muscle use and the moisture evaporates making it feel cold

it could mean you're tensing too much, or maybe you need a little bit to get used to it

[rich ore]

Tension > warmth > moisture > your arm becomes much warmer than the air - you’re just over heating when aim training

[glacial mango]

is there any way to fix it in case it happens again? really messed me up for that day

because from what i know tension is something i keep really well under control,but maybe i should keep myself in check even more

[dull ravine]

you could try a dehumidifier

or keep a tissue near you to clear the moisture

[slender cobalt]

has anyone used omega 3 supplements for dry eyes and if so does it work?

[dull ravine]

they do work but you can also obtain omega 3 from fish and other foods, and don't forget to drink lots of water

[kindred galleon]

astaxanthin has had more of an effect for me, omg3 is kinda imperceptible

[narrow nest]

my hand naturally rotates outwards whenever i am tracking and such, is this an issue that i should be worried about?

[kindred galleon]

That's physics lol

[analog hill]

does gooning affect aim

[tight pagoda]

my forearm gets really tense and uncomfortable when tracking long distances making it difficult to practice properly because it forces me to reset

[kindred galleon]

Up your sens then

[rose vale]

honestly not sure why but I always feel groggy, tired and demotivated

I get decent sleep besides waking up alot in the middle of the night

I get exercise usually because I work most days

[kindred galleon]

sheesh, you got ascendant bro wp

[rose vale]

Yea especially with my fuckin tiredness and lack of focus 😭

Was annoying but I’m pretty close to immortal now

[kindred galleon]

stop eating wheat entirely, it changed things for me grogginess wise

[paper lodge]

i start to strech my wrist all day but i stay playing i thik its make my wrist better but i not work and my wrist clicking

[rose vale]

I also drink caffeine a lot but sometimes it just ain’t even do anything

[kindred galleon]

you build a tolerance to caffeine, if you dont take breaks it becomes useless

[rose vale]

I mainly used it before I aim trained and gamed but it started becoming a daily thing

But besides the point I’ve felt like this off caffeine so

[stoic trail]

If my desk is too high and my chair doesn't go high enough, what can I do to adapt the setup?

Pillows make my back go weird on the chair since it is not straight...

[rose vale]

Does anyone have issues with melatonin waking them up in the middle of the night a lot?

[dull ravine]

this can happen due to consuming melatonin way too close to sleep time (you should do it 1-1.5h before sleeping) or due to a really high dose

and just a heads up, i had a friend that genuinely wondered why melatonin didn't work and he then told me he drinks 4 energy drinks a day because "they didn't affect him"

[spiral light]

when i do clicking (one that goes fast) my arm gets tired and i dont do aswell as the first 20-30 seconds. like i might get 70 in 30 secs but 50 in the next 30 secs

anyone know how to fix that

[lean flower]

That j sounds like muscle fatigue
keep doing it more often and ur arm should get use to it and you wont fatigue as fast

[dim scroll]

is it normal to have really shaky aim but if a apply pressure with my middle finger my aim is smooth

[dull ravine]

it's actually pretty normal, the small tension that you apply with your middle finger can cause stability on your arm/hand by distributing the tension evenly and engaging muscles that wouldn't be otherwise
the only case it'd be a concern is if it causes you discomfort, pain, strain... otherwise just adapt your grip this way

[dim scroll]

while it works well in kovaaks because my aim button is untoggled, in other games it hard especially when i need to hipfire but my whole hand start shaking

maybe a new keybind for my aiming would work

[rose vale]

I only really drink under 200 mg like 1 serving of gfuel or occasionally 1 energy drink every once in awhile, I do take melatonin an hour or later before bed. And I don’t really drink caffeine past 4 pm so it has some time to go away before bed time

[dim scroll]

do you also wake up in the middle of the night when you dont take melatonin?

[rose vale]

Yea but not like as often but it still happens

[dim scroll]

do you eat carbs before sleep?

[rose vale]

Not really

Maybe sometimes if I want a snack lmao

[dim scroll]

try eating a small carb heavy meal before bed to avoid a cortisol spike

can cause you to wake up multible times in the night

maybe some magnesium too if you dont already take it

helps reduce cortisol

less likely cause is sleep apnea tho it shouldnt be related to melatonin

[dim scroll]

i would try and see if taking melatonin closer to bedtime would help for example 30mins before bed AND AVOID SCROLLING ON YOUR PHONE BEFORE BED

oops caps

[dull ravine]

keep in mind that you should ideally use the energy provided by caffeine through exercise to be able to make your body tired enough before sleep

[dull ravine]

use blue light filter if you don't already

[dim scroll]

yea exactly melatonin is a tool not a fix for bad sleep routine

[dull ravine]

people like to think melatonin will kick you to sleep and such but in reality it will only help you stay asleep if used correctly

[tight jewel]

Literally never heard this said before

Just keep in mind caffeine half life is 8 hours, so last caffeine intake be 8 hours beforw sleep

[dull ravine]

i heard it from my coach back in 12th

[tight jewel]

The latest

[dull ravine]

do know that caffeine does not fully leave the system in a loooong time even after that

[tight jewel]

Yeah but its peak drops after that and it disturbs sleep minimally after

[dull ravine]

caffeine in small amounts (<75mg) can even benefit sleep

using the crash to your advantage

though there is no reason to consume 200mg of caffeine as a sedentary person

it can have many downsides

it aids with working out

[dim scroll]

caffeine blocks adenosine while exercise wont get rid of the caffeine in your body it will create more adenosine making the caffeine less effective that it is

[rose vale]

I do it because I’m tired 24/7 I never feel rested, and usually before gaming or work

[dim scroll]

caffeine blocks adenosine while exercise wont get rid of the caffeine in your body it will create more adenosine making the caffeine less effective than it is

[dull ravine]

unrelated but i felt like that before i was diagnosed with ADHD, that "constant fatigue" that never goes away

medication solved it

[rose vale]

Do people actually wake up refreshed or is that just a myth

😭

[dull ravine]

definitely something worth speaking about with a doctor

[rose vale]

I’m taking anti depressants

[dull ravine]

it can be related to chronic fatigue syndrome

[tight jewel]

Okay but talking in terms of gaming here, how do you exactly recommend take caffeine-exercise-gaming trifecta?

[dim scroll]

thats ur problem

[dull ravine]

ah yeah thats

when i was on antidepressants i couldnt stop waking up during the night

[dim scroll]

amphetamine anti depressants?

[rose vale]

I feel really bad and more tired off them irrc

I take way more naps

[tight jewel]

Its weird linking caffeine intake with exercise unless your coach specifically recommends that to you as per your regimen

But thats not meant for you to generalize as advice to others

[dull ravine]

amphetamines are not anti depressants, they are stimulants used to treat adhd, and they can have fatal outcomes mixed with other antidepressants !!!!

[dim scroll]

my bad i meant stimulants

[dull ravine]

methylphenidate is an amphetamine i take to treat adhd, my doctor warned me that i cannot ever mix it with an antidepressant

years ago though i was misdiagnosed with depression instead of ADHD and the "chronic fatigue" was associated to that

[dim scroll]

no thats just ritalin altough it is a stimulant its not an amphetamine

i take vyvanse/lisdexamphetamine

which is a slow acting form of dextroamphetamine/adderal

[dull ravine]

completely right i was confusing it with my previous medication (adderall) which used to have a huge crash on me

[dim scroll]

adderal is too unstable for me

[dull ravine]

antidepressants did make me have sleep issues like that one

[tight jewel]

Get educated on caffeine consumption brev, advice here seems to be pretty shih

[rose vale]

I have gone over sleep problems with my doctor and he thinks it was anxiety/depression related

[dull ravine]

what is ur source btw just curious

[dim scroll]

caffeine is most likely to cause problems falling asleep and sleepquality but constantly waking up in the middle of the night points to a bigger issue

[tight jewel]

Talk to your coach and ask him whether he recommends you forwarding his advice to you to others

[dull ravine]

not the question i asked !

[rose vale]

It’s still probably fine as long as you take it early and awhile before sleep

[tight jewel]

But the answer you needed

[dim scroll]

tuff

[tight jewel]

WHICH YOU AINT IN A POSITION TO GET AT HERE AND SO YOUR ADVICE DONT QUALIFY

[dull ravine]

and this is why you don't let ego take over you

[dim scroll]

who are you to make assumptions about my qualifications?

[dull ravine]

thanku for ur time

[tight jewel]

I can tell

Because no qualified professional would do it

With the level of information given here

[dim scroll]

would do what?

recommend a sleep routine?

[tight jewel]

Tell someone to consume caffeine and sweat it off with exercise

[dim scroll]

if you were able to understand what we were talking about you would notice that we were not telling him to consume caffeine rather we were recommending not taking to much caffeine

complete opposite of what youre accusing

[dull ravine]

chatgpt

i invite you now to argue with a bot that has likely taken thousands of sources into account almost entirely from professionals on the topic

[dim scroll]

wwe were pointing out that at his low dose of 200mg it was most likely not contributing to his sleep issues

[dull ravine]

they took the caffeine pretty early on the day

[rose vale]

yea I take it really really early

[dim scroll]

yea exactly

[rose vale]

between 9-10 AM

and I sleep around 11 pm

[dim scroll]

i consume 400 mg caffeine daily and take amphetamines yet i dont suffer from sleep issues

because i have a sleep routine and exercise daily

its about exerting more energy than you gain

[rose vale]

I slowly exert that anyways

if u think I should do a slight workout later I can

just to exert some of that energy I might have left

idk

[dull ravine]

this is exactly what i tried to express

my coach was surprised that there were people who consumed several energy drinks a day and just stayed in front of a screen without exerting their energy through exercise

she told me it could lead to shakiness and anxiety

[rose vale]

even when I do, I'm still tired

lmfao

[dim scroll]

yes most definitely stimulants in a nutshell make ur inputs stronger and harder to control which leads to shakiness

[dim scroll]

feeling tired and being tired are two different things

although being linked they are seperate

[rose vale]

Physically like I’m fine but my mind is tired and I just wanna sleep

[dim scroll]

most likely your anti depressants

because they increase serotonin which although serotonin can help you fall asleep its distrubts your rem sleep

[rose vale]

yea but I felt more tired and took naps more often off them

[dim scroll]

before taking them or on days you dont take them?

[dull ravine]

when i was on antidepressants this was a constant

[rose vale]

is there a way around that while still taking them?

[rose vale]

like some months I would get off them

cuz I felt "better"

[dull ravine]

first off, what antidepressants are you using

[rose vale]

and then I ended up feeling much worse

[dull ravine]

there are several kinds

[dim scroll]

yes and no

diet plays a big part

[rose vale]

40mg of fluoxetine

[dull ravine]

i used vortioxetine

looking it up they work in similar ways

[dim scroll]

yea i magnesium could help

[dull ravine]

just use this rule of thumb, if you feel worse with the medication than without it, that means the problem is the medication

after going through several antidepressants i was diagnosed with adhd and it fixed every symptom i shared with major depressive disorder

they're easy to misidentify as adhd comes with similar symptoms

[dim scroll]

the thing is just it takes time to really tell because withdrawl might play a factor

[rose vale]

I feel like I have shown signs of ADHD but idk

[dull ravine]

i really meant as in prior to the medication

[dim scroll]

yea ADHD is like a fukin mimic of mental issues

[dull ravine]

as i said, i was misdiagnosed with depression (or maybe it was derived from adhd) and after i started adhd medication it fixed every issue i had (such as chronic fatigue indeed)

they even were suspicious i had BPD

but adhd just has so many outcomes that ressemble these disorders

[dim scroll]

yea adhd can mimic BPD, Depression and alot more

[rose vale]

def seems like something I could mention to my doctor

[dim scroll]

could be worth it

[dull ravine]

i mentioned it to my doctor after my friends told me this possibility and they were right

[dim scroll]

either you do have it and you get proper treatment or you dont and ur at the same place u are now so no real negative

[dull ravine]

from day 1 of medication all my problems were gone and it felt like every piece of the puzzle fit together

[rose vale]

its been so long I can't even imagine feeling better, like it just feels normal lmao

[dim scroll]

same altough i spent a big part of the day just staring at a tree outside my window

[dull ravine]

i spent over 5 years with the "am i depressed" "am i bipolar" "am i bpd" "am i CFS" "am i just acting what is wrong with me" then it was just adhd and it was solved in one singular day of medication (i was lucky to find the right medication first try)

[rose vale]

yea ever since I entered middle school

[dull ravine]

given the wrong medication, or the wrong dose, you can act like a zombie and stare at the ceiling in bed for hours

[rose vale]

taken like 2 different kinds of antidepressants, seen multiple doctors, phychologists, therapists

[dull ravine]

could very easily be adhd

[dim scroll]

true

[dull ravine]

i faced incompetent doctors that were like "what?? how could you ever have adhd?? you are normal!!"

[rose vale]

never once was ADHD mentioned

lmao

I do move around alot

shake my legs

lack of focus, motivation, tiredness, mood changes sometimes

[dim scroll]

because adhd is hard to diagnose correctly because symptoms often vary daily or weekly