health

[quartz root]

Dont think stretching will solve it, take a look at this exercise 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQJYTO67UJ0

The last part is where the knowledge is at!!

[sleek quartz]

for some reason when im aim training after like 30 minutes my eyes get really tired/dry. eyedrops help but if i want to play for more than 30 minutes at a time i have to put eyedrops in every like 15 minutes while playing. if i aim train for like an hour my eyes will just be tired for hours like 3-4 hours before they feel fine again. this only happens when aim training btw, i can play valorant or other games for hours and be fine

any advice?

[river forge]

Maybe you tend to stop blinking when aim training? Try to blink often to reduce eye strain and keep your eyes lubricated. Eyedrops will never be able to replace the real thing

[languid topaz]

bro at one point i had this arm position where i could move my arm crazy fast and my aim was great
i straight up cant find it again

nothing feels comfortable

[quartz root]

when it happens to me i try to shift my eyes focus on something else away from the screen for a minute. I do this maybe every 20 mins

[pearl adder]

my wrist shakes when moving it side to side holding the mouse
I have to move it slow for myself to start shaking
is this a concern?

[valid tree]

my fingertips get tingly every couple days when i play kvk or games, should i be concerned

[novel fiber]

honestly sounds as if it could be a sign of carpal tunnel syndrome but I'm not a medical professional so don't take my word too seriously but you can find more info on it from an article by the NHS or even some other reliable source you may know of. If you're truly worried about it I'd make an appointment with your GP if you can

[valid tree]

its not painful, but its just there

well today its been here for a couple hours

[rain harbor]

i have tingling in my pinky sometimes. I was tensing before a lot in al now i try to actively prevent it

[meager flume]

I get migranes and just a dry bloodshotty feel behind my eyes when I wake up everyday unless I sleep 10+ hours

anything less and I feel like shit for 2 hours

only 2 hours then they all go away

after drinking water and moving around

I feel amazing before bed then boom I feel like a ten ton truck hit me the moment I open my eyes

It makes early mornings a very hard task for me and it keeps me in bed thru my alarms

I have ADHD and I'm medicated where I take the pill when I wake up I take Vyvance so it metabolizes in my body and kicks in in around an hour / hour and a half where I start feeling better. Before medication I couldn't figure out if it was the coffee that made mornings more bearable or just drinking something

I don't wanna be smacking down 500 mg of Tylenol every day. Can't currently contact my doctor was wondering if people have a similar problem orr if there is something I can do before bed to resolve this]

I'm 17 so it could be growing pains I suppose (thats what google says) my doctor said I probably have around an extra 1-2 inches to grow since I started late but I'm already 6'2 and I highly doubt that any of that is happening quickly enough to result in migranes overnight

I hope I dont have a brain tumor 💀

[valid tree]

so i should try griping lighter?

[rain harbor]

if u think its from ur grip. coz i used to tense a lot for big flicks to get faster speed on them. so i tensed in the wrist but it affected my fingers too coz its all connected. now i try to relax as much as possible to not get tense anywhere. so if u grip it in a way that causes fatigue and/or pain then i think u should grip it lighter but watchout for tension in other body parts too
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[valid tree]

my grip style is a claw fingertip hybrid so im not sure how im squeezing my mouse but i know it has to do with the wrists

[rain harbor]

well idk i said everything i know in the msg above mb someone can add something

[violet swan]

Don’t take that, not liver or kidney friendly

[violet swan]

Doubt that

ADHD meds probably causing it

Get a full blood panel and come back with results

Ask your doctor for them and come back and post them

You could be dehydrated or high RBC or anything

Do some deadlifts

[meager flume]

it was happening before i started meds tho

[violet swan]

Oh right… do you exercise at all?

[meager flume]

thats my thought but every night? and resulting in bad migranes? i mean maybe i just dunno

[violet swan]

Yes I think it’s dehydration

You don’t drink enough

How much do you think you drink per days

Day?*

[meager flume]

i workout around 5-6 days a week if not pounding the gym in doing calisthenics

[violet swan]

Yah I’d assume dehydration

Do you use any melatonin?

[meager flume]

well I have a soda stream so i dont know how much the large bottle is but 2-3 a day + a cup in the morning

[violet swan]

So maybe at most 2L?

How much do you weigh

[meager flume]

i have no sleep problems at all instead its the opposite i can literally sleep anywhere

[violet swan]

Cus if you’re 6 2 you should be getting a gooood amount of water in

[meager flume]

around 190/195

[violet swan]

Ohhhh man you need water

[meager flume]

after a small bulk and cut

[violet swan]

I’m 200lbs and I drink at least 4L a day

[meager flume]

planning on bulking again

[violet swan]

Up that water intake and take more electrolytes

Do that for a week and update me

Go from there

[meager flume]

the large soda stream bottle is 1 litre

[violet swan]

Oh right

[meager flume]

so i drink 2-3 l a day

[violet swan]

Hm

Weird now

[meager flume]

sometimes more sometimes less

[violet swan]

You’re constantly tired?

[meager flume]

no

[violet swan]

Or sleepy

You can sleep anywhere

Wdym

[meager flume]

nope if i wanna sleep i can just lie down and force myself to sleep

[violet swan]

Yh that’s fine

[meager flume]

I meditate and im quite good at quieting my head - a tactic i used to use for my adhd and anxiety

[violet swan]

Hm but you say when you wake up

You have headache

And bloodshot eyes

Are you breathing while you sleep?!

[meager flume]

feels like it

not actually

[violet swan]

Oh right

Pushing out sensation?

[meager flume]

yeah kinda

but its only for like the first 2 hours of the day then i feel great

[violet swan]

But that’s not when you have caffeine or your medication

Some sort of stimulation is needed for you to be fine

Do you have any addictive habits?

Like porn addiction gambling drinking?

If so you might need a break

Take some L tyrosine

2-4 g a day

[meager flume]

it happens whenever I have it or whenever i dont

[meager flume]

nah

[violet swan]

What’s your blood pressure like?

Do you intake enough electrolytes?

Cus it’s blood pressure or high RBC causing headaches now

But I would still up the water anyway

4L minimum

Kidneys will thank you

[meager flume]

golden

[violet swan]

120/60?

[meager flume]

literally perfect numbers in everything

[violet swan]

Ok well we can’t pin point it

[meager flume]

idk my doctor just said that I have blood pressure so good i shouldnt encouter any issues in my lifetime unless i do hard drugs

[violet swan]

Lol doc

Yeah but unless he didn’t tell you

Then 😬

But we say it’s good

For now, more water and electrolytes

For future get full blood panel

Can’t do much else without a base

Base is the panel

We could see what’s off n stuff and recorrect it

[meager flume]

I got blood testing done a while back because of a mini stroke i had

my blood was fine

what happened was that my anxiety spiked and caused a stress based migraine that caused a mini blood spasm in my brain

wasnt anywhere close to an actual stroke or life threatening I just basically got stroke symptoms and blacked out from stress

other than my previous mental health issues that are now resolved and im the happiest ive been everything relating to my health is perfect the only thing medically wrong with me is that my left eye is a quarter of a diopter off which is still considered great eyesight

[violet swan]

Did you review it yourself?

If doc said it’s fine that’s not important

You need to know your own values and be aware of what’s going on

[violet swan]

Yeah that’s weird…

I’m not sure what’s going on now ha

[violet swan]

Do you take propranolol for anxiety?

[meager flume]

i mean no but I trust canadian doctors

[violet swan]

Yeah….

But you don’t know what’s going on so that’s an issue I see

Idk I don’t know enough for your complications sorry, seems like a lot of stuff to do with anxiety or cortisol? Could try some ashwagandha for some time to see if it can help your cortisol level

Cortisol level is at its highest in the morning

[meager flume]

anxiety is fine now ive got it very undercontrol

i rewired my brain and also went through some therapy to resolve my shitty family issues

its doesnt happen if i get 10+ hours of sleep as a reminder

if i am able to sleep in then i just feel great off rip

if I wake up before certain times then it fucks w me

anything before 9/10 am and i feel like shit

oh yeah and another syptom is i get nauseous as well when i wake up although that could just be caused by the headache

[violet swan]

Yeah I’m not sure, I would ask your doctor to refer you to a specialist

As it’s time specific and for short periods of time it doesn’t sound common

[meager flume]

dam

[violet swan]

Don’t stress about it, get it checked when you can or try to adjust something.

[meager flume]

yeah i was gunna go to bed super early tonight and wake up nice n comfy as i dont have work tmr

[thorn crest]

hi, I'm looking for help for my wrist problem, I wouldn't say it's pain but for like soreness or fatigue. I have ganglion cis on my wriest, I have had it for about 1 year having it come and go (meaning it has popped and come back). I also lift weights 6 days a week, my wrist never bothers me till a resent after waking up in the morning after working out the day before. any help would be helpful

[mossy heart]

Stop using wrist so much while aiming is step 1

Abstinence is key

[mystic anvil]

Hi, i have a question for the 1HP team :
We talk a lot about posture, stretch etc, but from a purely mechanical point of view, we are human, there must be a "range" of sensitivity (in cm) which should be optimal in order to limit the stress put on our joints and tendons as much as possible.

What is your opinion on this subject ?

[lucid pilot]

only if u play wrist

[jaunty tundra]

yk how ur supposed to have a neutral wrist position that doesnt lean any particular way. mine leans left, it hasnt before but now it does a bit (just a little). any tips how i fix it? thanks

[late trail]

To prevent injury and warm up, what are the best stretches to do before training/ playing?

[versed knot]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JKKSBWXHM-V5C9gMhVFWQgsHwVLcVMgb/view

[heady needle]

is it bad for my wrist to hover when holding the mouse

[small minnow]

every time i play my hand and whole arm shake after a while and i cant move it well anymore so i cant aim. idk what to do about it

[covert bay]

i'm developing carpal tunnel from aim training, how long should i take off from practicing to let my nerve heal?

its not painful for me, i can just feel my thumb index and middle go a little numb when i grip my mouse too hard

yeah, nerves control your ability to feel

its the same sensation as when you fall asleep on your arm or something and cut off circulation

thing is idk if its that deep cause it only happens when i grip my mouse too hard

[jaunty tundra]

dont grip the mouse too hard then. when aiming you shouldnt tense ur arm or wrist or hand anyways.

[covert bay]

i realize

i was going for a 1w4t_vbr raspberry highscore so i was gripping super hard, got 42nd tho

[violet swan]

Anyone know how to find the right balance with studying for exams and having free time? I often get really burnt out from studying to the point i don’t even want to play and the other side of it i don’t do any and end up getting stressed…

[uneven pike]

Have you tried Pomodoro?

25min of intense study followed by 5min of break. In this break, you can do stretching or walking

Keeps mind fresh

[violet swan]

i haven’t tried that no but i might give it a try

[uneven pike]

There are apps for it or online websites to track the time

[inner prawn]

neck is very tight

has been for a week

any advice, stretches i could do

[whole nacelle]

im having elbow pain ive been aim training a lot so could be the problem but i have no clue anyone trying to giive some solution

[dreamy flame]

I go to sleep @ 2 am sometimes and wake up @ 8~9am without wanting and can't fall asleep again, what should I do?

[peak urchin]

You can try doing this exercise, 15 times up and down and then turn your head to the side and repeat for both sides

The exercise uses your necks full range of motion and that should ease the stiffness as well as help build strength over time

Chin tucks are another great exercise that you can do while sitting at your computer, can repeat every couple of hours and that will help with the tension too

[inner prawn]

tysm

[peak urchin]

My pleasure bro, stay healthy 🤍

Just try to be consistent with the exercises, I’ve also dealt with back/neck pain and it can actually take a couple of weeks before you see the full effects, might even happen so that one day you don’t feel any relief, but the next one is wonderful

[swift ice]

Question for people who has pinky side wrist pain.

Did you fix it with a wrist brace?

It's getting worse and I've not played in a long time.

Planning on getting a brace

[violet swan]

wrist makes clicking noises how2fix

i have this mushy

[swift ice]

My wrist makes clicking noises too

Especially when moving it left and right

[swift ice]

My wrist is also shaky when bending it

[peak urchin]

Clicking noises without pain is pretty normal, but if you feel pain, then definitely go to a doctor if possible

The clicking noise could be nitrogen bubbles bursting in your synovial fluid - synovial fluid lubricates your joints like motor oil in a car's engine, reducing friction and preserving your cartilage

Sometimes there can be more cracks if your hand has been in the same position for a period of time

[swift ice]

It's cracking during ulnar and the other deviation

The click doesn't hurt but it happens everytime I bend the wrist so Idk if that's meant to happen

[vale forge]

Yo i have the same thing but in my elbow and it does start to hurt if it happens repeatedly

[violet swan]

healthy amount of video games to play a day?

[tardy hemlock]

is it good to aim train with 2 hrs of sleep?

[violet swan]

it’s not healthy to do anything off 2 hours of sleep

still doesn’t mean you can’t do it but you definitely won’t preform at your peak

[shell star]

make sure you get enough sleep after you aim train too otherwise u might not improve

[tawny oyster]

sleep is the most essential part to learning and improving

we even have a sleep guide

[main quest]

i have a little pain in my middle finger capsule i think i overtrained plenty is that worrying?

[loud plover]

Could you describe the pain? Also which part of the middle finger are you referring to?

Overtraining, applying a lot of tension can lead to pain and exhaustion yes, but it doesn't need to be worrying, although in order to determine this, a bit more information is needed

[main quest]

its in the middle capsule

first knot

@loud plover

[loud plover]

@main quest This could very well be due to excessive time under tension for your finger. Try to take a break for a few hours and be mindful of how it feels. In the future, focus on being relaxed when training, do not tense up. Don't be hesitant to see a professional if you do find that the pain goes away despite reducing your time training and tension applied

Although what makes you think you overtrained?

[main quest]

i played kovaaks for 15 hours last 3 days after i read for how long i should train lol

[loud plover]

Oh Jesus

[main quest]

jop

and i tensed up like a mf

xd

still im almost gold so

worth jk

[loud plover]

Hahaha that's almost certainly going to cause such an issue, and even if it didn't cause it directly it absolutely makes it way way worse

An hour or two maximum is just fine, optimise that period and make sure to be firm on your mouse but never tense like a mf

It's not going to help your wrists or your aim in the long run

[main quest]

yeah today it worked out splendid

[loud plover]

Or even the short run tbh

[main quest]

improved on tracking aswell

still i feel a tad bit of pain thats why i asked

[loud plover]

There's a reason every single top aimer is relaxed mostly

[main quest]

yeah it feels nice

but if i "hit a roadblock" normally means i just have to train more intensely

that didnt work in my case so now i know

about that tensing up

how do i tackle it when i tense up mid session or lets say while aiming

if i have to focus on not tensing up my aim gets so worse i can restart

xD

[restive island]

i feel so alone in school what should i do when i am alone?

[velvet grotto]

why is being alone is school a problem to u? does it make you feel sad? if so, why?

[restive island]

I just want a friend or a guy who care about me I ever have 2 in my old school but I was moved here for 3 years but I can’t find a good friend everyone just make me like a tool for helping if they don’t want help they will just leave me alone

[velvet grotto]

Well, people stink, that's to be expected

Finding good friends is a combination of luck and being a good friend yourself imo

[dark belfry]

how do i reset my sleep schedule?

I stay awake until 4 am

and then i wake up at twelve

and life suffers from it

and my aim does as well

[inner sentinel]

ive noticed some discomfort in my wrist/forearm halfway through my training sessions. can someone recommend me a wrist exercise routine?

[woeful atlas]

@dark belfry Wake up a little earlier tomorrow, then force yourself into bed at your desired time in the night/evening and take the L however long it takes to fall asleep and stick to it. Our bodies do a good job at adjusting towards sleep times between that are considered normal because of light and sounds etc.

[spare trellis]

Does anyone here have carpal tunnel syndrome and still play kovaaks?

[past vine]

Get up half an hour earlier every day and try to go to bed half an hour earlier as well. If that feels like to much try 15min or so. I‘d recommend checking out the Huberman Lab Podcast for information about sleep. (The first 10 or so episodes are about sleep and energy)

[toxic saddle]

damn, meditation really opens ur 3rd eye, or in ur sleep

[civic rose]

Dunno if this is normal or not but my eyes sometimes water and burn when I'm aim training

I think it's from my extended sessions where I don't blink

But if anyone has tips or solutions that would be nice

I do eye exercises before aim training everyday but it still occurs

[graceful rose]

ayo for those who had covid how bad did it affect yalls aim during?

[cloud vapor]

how do i take control of my time management and stop putting videogames before my homework (its hard cuz i do my homework and play on the same pc)

[past vine]

Maybe create a second account without access to video games. That way you only need to make one decision after coming home to log into your homework account. After that the friction of logging out and back in is higher than just clicking an icon.

[vale sierra]

Is compression sleeve better than regular arm sleeve?

[violet swan]

Stay awake for 24 hours

Then you’ll be tiref throughout the whole day and when it comes night time then you go to bed

[cloud vapor]

ty

[tranquil oasis]

I do this except I do it everyday

[prime summit]

I've just started playing today and my hands felt hella shaky. Ive never felt this so it feels weird anyone know how i could try and stop this

[thorn hatch]

@prime summit threw the nose out threw the mouth

focus on breathing not tracking

[prime summit]

ty

[onyx flame]

I think I am starting to develop Jumpers Knee(Patellar Tendinopathy) anyone know any good excersises to help this

[tiny rune]

I think people do swimming exercises since you're not putting weight on it

[civic rose]

On youtube there is a lot of good ones. Be sure to thoroughly stretch your legs too since the stress on your knee can get worse if your other muscles and tendons are tight

Just curious if you don't mind me asking how did it arise?

I suffered from Jumpers knee and then patellar tendonitis earlier this spring

it got better after i began stretching and following exercises thoroughly

[onyx flame]

I play alot of basketball and usually dunk alot so I think thats why and I might have gone a bit too hard during my last gym session because of my dad

[civic rose]

yeah that'll do it

just stretch before you workout or play basketball

then if it's really intense afterwards as well

and then if it gets worse then I'd say start on the exercises

[onyx flame]

thanks alot man

[grizzled lark]

I think I’ve bamboozled myself by accidentally hyperfocusing a few days in a row this week, aim-training for 4 hours at a time rather than my 1 hour without stretches. My forearm is killing me and I tried training today and my arm kept on tensing making it uncontrollable to smooth my movements :/

[worldly dragon]

anyone tried weird supplements to improve focus during gaming?

[gritty idol]

i tried natural tablets some time ago (herbs + caffeine), it had no real noticeable effect on me

[violet swan]

are pc’s cancerous? when i was at my dads house his girlfriend kept telling me i need a window open or i will get cancer

[gritty idol]

[hollow lion]

no

[violet swan]

THANK YOU

omd i legit said they not

[worldly dragon]

how can an open window prevent cancer bro

[hollow lion]

it won’t but those kinds of people are close minded and will not listen to you so often it’s best to just comply

[violet swan]

legit

[tardy hemlock]

is it still a good idea to play any fps game and go to ranked when your day was shit the entire day

[velvet grotto]

Only if it makes you happy.

[sage galleon]

green tea

[worldly dragon]

i was more talking about uncommon stuff like ashwaganda and magnesium glycinate

things that apparently could improve focus

[sage galleon]

green tea has caffeine and l-theanine so it can improve focus, and it isn't expensive

[brittle mason]

I simply don't see how I can remove self worth from my games. Or change my mental. It grinds me down knowing I'm such ass and have a dogshit mental state? How can I just pretend to be a plucky go getter and pray that I will actually improve?

[cyan geyser]

has anyone had knuckle pain in their mouse hand near the pinky and ring finger?

please this shit hurts so much

[main cloud]

That's definitely not normal

[copper basin]

OK, so I've run out of the medication I've been prescribed, I was wondering what would be the best way to cope without it for a while until I can top up on it on Friday?

[main cloud]

Medication for what? What medication?

[silent osprey]

Yes

[copper basin]

Venlafaxine

[quick kindle]

does anyone know any good wrist streches?

[worthy cloud]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JKKSBWXHM-V5C9gMhVFWQgsHwVLcVMgb/view

https://gmb.io/wrists/

[runic hill]

So recently ive been having pain in my mouse hand between the first and middle finger on the back near the base of my hand, mostly when i grip things any, ive been doing the some of the stretches above which help but its still there. any thoughts on what this would be and anything else i could do to prevent it.

Also a slight poping there sometimes like when you pop a joint or knuckle.

[molten badge]

hmmm I assume this is the correct channel to ask this

I've had thumb pain for a while

since feb 2019

it's come and gone and has mostly been gone ever since I started working out but it's come back

and I suspect I know why

all my life I've had a hard time with making precise, fast motions without tensing my hands

this goes back all the way to when I was a teen playing rhythm games in the late 2000s

where to make my fingers go fast enough, I basically had to squeeze my arms

and obviously this is bad...

lately I've been playing FPS games again and now I have hand pain again

and I'm almost positive it's because I use a claw grip and squeeze my mouse when trying to make accurate shots

what kind of things can I do to try to train myself to not do this? I'm just messing around with some of the basic tasks in aim lab using a fingertip grip

focusing less on getting a good score and more on just doing the activities while paying attention to the tension in my hand

does anyone have further advice for trying to sort this out?

I've been looked at by doctors who weren't able to find any signs of nerve damage or arthritis or anything like that

[molten badge]

ugh... this is really hard with some of the tracking ones that basically require you to hold down LMB for a minute straight

[silent osprey]

i used to get really quite significant hand pain until i started gripping my mice much looser and using a way more relaxed grip

you might benefit from doing the same

im surprised that holding left mouse would cause discomfort though

mouse buttons should not be very heavy

what mouse do you use rn btw

[molten badge]

steelseries rival 300

and it's not that holding LMB causes discomfort in itself

it's that when I try to hold it down for a while, the rest of my hand seems to reflexively clench and I have a hard time unclenching it without taking my hand off the mouse

what kinds of things did you do to train yourself to use a more relaxed grip?

I'm in my early 30s now so this is a pretty old habit...

[silent osprey]

mm i just kinda did it

ive never been particularly set on how i hold mice

[molten badge]

just practicing being consciously aware of clenching?

[silent osprey]

not really

just that less tension = higher score

[molten badge]

oh lol

[silent osprey]

so over time u sorta self teach to not deathgrip ur mouse

or at least i did

[molten badge]

yeah I'm getting quite terrible scores because I'm not used to doing this

[silent osprey]

im sure u can work on it quite intentionally

[molten badge]

I'm sure if I went back to my old squeezing claw grip, I'd get a lot higher... as long as my hand didn't fall off

[silent osprey]

also what cm/360 are you using

really high sens kinda makes a lot of people tense up a lot

curious if it might be a factor for you

[molten badge]

not too high... not at home at the moment to check though

[molten badge]

okay I don't have a super precise measurement but it's roughly 43cm/360

[silent osprey]

ye that's not the problem then

[molten badge]

yeah I'm pretty sure it's just a me thing

I was out shopping and realized how tight I was holding the shopping cart... I just gotta be aware of my hands at all times I guess

[deep basin]

is it weird that I find it to be the opposite? I tend to be light on my arms and hands with high sens but i noticed i tense up more often the lower the sens

[proud belfry]

everywhere i marked BLUE including the small part on my chest is where im feeling all this tension. it makes my aim skip quite abit because it feels like it can make my arm do a small spasm

it really makes it hard for me to stay smooth, and it affects my aim the most i would say when i aim "too far" to the left or to the right

[upbeat crystal]

A couple of questions that could help to narrow it down:
Do you exercise it in any way prior to playing/at all?
Do you have any history of injuries in the general area or any health issues that might cause it?
What is your sodium intake like?
What is your posture like?
How long has it been going on?
Do you tense up a lot while playing?

[proud belfry]

1 - i do not exercise it at all. 2 - i have no prior injuries in this area. 3 - i wouldnt have a clue what my sodium intake would be, although that would be kool to know. 4 - i try to keep as much of a "good posture" as i consciously can. 5 - well since ive started aim training, but its been pretty minor. but specifically in the kovaaks scenario "GP Far Long Strafes Easy". im currently doing e1se's beginner tracking playlist and so far ive either felt it only slightly or none at all through "smoothness training 60" scen, "smooth tracking a+ Easy" scen, and "e1se smoothness strafes easy" scen. now that im at GP Far Long Strafes Easy im feeling it a lot now, but if i go back to one of them other scenarios, i dont feel it / slightly feel it. 5 - no i dont really notice myself in game tensing up much at all tbh

sorry for the paragraph

[mighty scroll]

Reposting here because its a bit more acurate of a channel
Does anyone know/have contact with a physical therapist who is already poked into the world of esports?
If so please Let me know and Dm me privately, I have some questions regarding esports athletes achiving their fullest pottential by using certain exercises/streatches and I need to disquss this topic further with the therapist

[violet swan]

I have a pretty odd grip for my mouse. Can anyone tell me if this is bad/unhealthy for my hand

My middle finger stays in the air always.

[upbeat crystal]

There's a chance it could cause unnecessary pressure on the median nerve from the carpal ligament (palmar cutaneous branch) being contracted, which might increase the risk of carpal tunnel. I wouldn't recommend it, as aside from that it can also lead to minor cramping or tension, possibly decreasing performance. The best thing to do if you don't want to radically change your grip would be just resting your middle finger on the scroll wheel.

For the sake of clarity, I will say that this is not medical advice, and the best thing to do would be to talk about a professional in the area.

[violet swan]

What is carpal tunnel?

[upbeat crystal]

Sorry for the late reply, but here's what I might recommend.

1. Perform stretches to whole arm in mornings, evenings and before and after a game. The main ones to remember would be both the anterior and posterior deltoid stretch. They're easy and take little time.
2. Try to work out regularly if possible. In your case, maybe high rows could help
3. Eat more salty foods, although you should still be careful.
4. Whenever seated, try to maintain a 90 degree angle at the elbow, and not have your shoulder tensed or raised

[upbeat crystal]

Damage to the median nerve. It's quite common for dedicated gamers, and has no real cure.

[violet swan]

How do i stop it?

[upbeat crystal]

Take the necessary precautions to prevent it in the first place. There are many ergonomic products if you're really concerned, however if you aren't that worried, just make sure that your hands stay warm while gaming, you don't tense up your hand too much, and maintain a good posture

[violet swan]

Kinda worried now..

[proud belfry]

thank you, i will follow all of these! however, no.4, what do you mean by 90 degree angle? do you mean basically have my arm inline with my shoulder, or?

[upbeat crystal]

I found this diagram since I wasn't entirely sure I could explain it -- hope it helps!

I found for example that my chair was too low which resulted in me having a slightly lower angle, but of course each person's mileage varies.

[violet swan]

Do things like stretches help?

[upbeat crystal]

Yes, a lot. They ensure your tendons don't tense up as hard, which will reduce the pressure on the nerve. This article has some very good stretches if you'd like to try them: https://esportshealthcare.com/gamer-stretches/

Edit: It somehow slipped my mind at the time, but Voltaic have their own guide here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JKKSBWXHM-V5C9gMhVFWQgsHwVLcVMgb/view

[violet swan]

Thank you. 🙏

[violet swan]

I keep getting a bump on my right wrist (low left side of my palm) after doing the reactive tracking exercises. I have tried fingertip with my mouse but I have small hands and i can’t improve anymore than my current score. So am I doing something wrong? I have tried everything… from eye exercises to improve my peripheral and wrist exercises

[timid olive]

Lmk if someone can help me I am at a massive mental block and its affecting my performance. I find myself calling myself bad and giving up too early

[upbeat crystal]

can you describe in more depth on what the 'bump' is like?

[toxic saddle]

working out really helps with aim, and gaming in general

[ashen rune]

I know this is very late but I went through this recently. I tried working on my posture and it actually caused the pain and tension to flare up like it caused it. Imo get evaluated by a physio. I’m basically back to normal but got full rom back (looking up triggered it lol).

If ur anything like me you have shit posture

[violet swan]

It gets worst every time I do any sort of tracking exercise

[violet swan]

oh

[upbeat crystal]

Is it itchy, tender, firmer, or painful, or are there any other details to know?

[violet swan]

the bump starts to hurt a little and goes away after taking a break from tracking exercises for 2-3 days

because of this i decided to get a smaller mouse so i can adapt to an optimal form of finger tip (G-wolves Hati HSK Plus) without worrying about getting that bump. The thing is that i don't know if it's me that's doing something wrong (maybe posture which i'm aware of constantly) or my mouse (i have logitech pro x superlight) that may be too large for the size of my hands

[copper rune]

Recently my ring finger has been going slightly numb after aim training. Is that a sign my grip is bad?

[barren moat]

rome wasn’t built in a day, don’t expect to get a super high score or beat your score in a few runs, continue to go at it, take regular breaks, hydrate and eat. listen to ur favorite songs/playlists while playing. just keep telling yourself everything takes time, and with time you’ll slowly improve, some do faster, some do slower. don’t expect to be insane in like a week, congratulate yourself and celebrate even small increases and improvements.

[upbeat crystal]

I'm not entirely sure what it could be to be honest, but I suspect some kind of irritation from constant friction or pressure. I guess we can wait and see whether the new mouse will help, but I might need to do some reading if it doesn't help.

[upbeat crystal]

Numbness is can be a higher cause for concern, and if you've been using the grip for a longer time but didn't have the feeling before, it could be a sign of some form harm. Two of the most common things I can think of at the moment would be ulnar tunnel or carpal tunnel. If this is the case, try to answer these questions with as much detail as possible:

1. Are you currently on any medications?
2. Do you have any conditions that could be related to this such as diabetes, thoracic outlet syndrome, or any autoimmune diseases?
3. What is the grip (send a picture if possible for a most accurate view)?
4. How long has it been going on and how long have you been using this grip/mouse?
5. What is your posture like, and what angle is your elbow approximately at when you sit?
6. Does your elbow rest on an armrest or table, or stay in the air?

[proud belfry]

how do i stop my tricep from tensing while aiming, even when i swear im consciously telling myself to keep it relaxed, it feels impossible

is this channel best suited for that question? or perhaps advice. ill try both

[molten badge]

tricep is an odd place to be tensing... not your bicep?

[upbeat crystal]

They wrote about deltoid tension earlier, so I'm assuming that the two are related somehow

[molten badge]

oh that makes sense

[upbeat crystal]

The only reason I could think of the tricep tensing is that your arm is too far stretched out, or you're trying to raise it slightly. Try to maybe move closer to your table and lower your seat slightly, if possible. Hope it helps

[violet swan]

I’m 17 and i’ve just recently starting getting multiple voice breaks again…

Is this normal?

not really relevant to aiming but

I had like 2-3 years without them

[violet swan]

Thank you. I appreciate the care and I’ll let you know how the smaller mouse goes for me

[copper rune]

1. no
2. no
3. claw grip, i think its specifically relaxed claw but im not sure
4. about a week, I've been using this grip for over a year and the mouse probably 7-8 months
5. I have good posture most of the time, not sure what angle my elbow is at sorry
6. my elbow is off the table most of the time, but it seems supported bc the rest of my arm is on the desk

[upbeat crystal]

Hmm. I'm not so confident now. Just to clarify, you haven't had any injuries or strain aside from gaming in the past month on the finger? I think more information would definitely be important now.

[molten badge]

yeah I'm not sure

just tried a one minute tracking and it just

my hand just got tense

I'm really not sure what I'm supposed do to stop this from happening

[molten badge]

I'm 32 and my voice cracks sometimes. it happens and will continue happening for the rest of your life probably

I think maybe I just need a new mouse or something

[copper rune]

yeah no strain or injuries. hopefully its just from unknowingly gripping my mouse too hard bc i have no idea why it started happening

[molten badge]

is it just your ring finger?

and not your pinky?

does the outside of edge of your hand feel weird?

like particularly sensitive to touch

[upbeat crystal]

Here's what I might recommend: Take a break for a couple of days, try not to strain it. You don't wanna make it any worse, and should let it rest. Come back, and see if it continues. If it does, I'd suggest going to a professional, as some person online might not be the best for medical advice. I don't want to make any radical conclusions that could be more harmful, but the most reasonable conclusion is that it's temporary. I'd still advise caution though, because this can be a sign of ulnar tunnel or other forms of nerve damage.

[violet swan]

i know doing drugs and all that is bad but, if im on quite of a high dosage of xanax, will aim training still be worth it on these conditions?

[runic brook]

yo, so i've been having some hand concern's recently:
my right hand seems to hurt a wee bit, almost feels like my hand is strained when typing. not completely, but my right hand is always less comnfortable than my left majority of the time whle working at my desk. not only that, my wirst and back of my hand feel "constricted" while my left feels more "free". whenever I rotate my wrist and move my fingers up and down, i can feel things moving in my hand and all cracks and pops are audible. there's no pain, but sometimes hand can feel a lil tired in comparison to left. right hand feels more tense

am feeling no pain

just cracks and pops and a bit a tense in right hand

left hand is mostly fine

very very very minor cracks/popples in wrist

[molten badge]

have you done wrist mobility exercises?

https://youtu.be/YGYCePIyOXs?t=20 these are good ones

[upbeat crystal]

Some of the main cognitive effects of xanax include analysis supression, memory supression, and thought deceleration, alongside sobriety delusion. Under a high dosage, I would say that it would be quite difficult to improve any significant amount.

[proud belfry]

@upbeat crystal ive tried everything i possibly can. i cannot for the life of me keep my bicep / tricep relaxed. its the hardest shit in the world.

[dusky kettle]

If my wrist starts to hurt should I stretch it, or just seize what I'm doing and wait until it feels fine again?

[main cloud]

Both probably

[upbeat crystal]

Is it still just the section you highlighted previously? I'm having trouble understanding where exactly the tension is. Is it bicep, tricep, deltoid, or all?

[main cloud]

If you're finding it particularly hard to avoid tensing muscles it's almost certainly a posture/ergonomic problem

[violet swan]

Any good wrist/arm warm up recommendations before starting aim training?

[upbeat crystal]

Voltaic have their own guide for wrist exercises here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JKKSBWXHM-V5C9gMhVFWQgsHwVLcVMgb/view

[violet swan]

Thanks!

[upbeat crystal]

test

[proud belfry]

well now it’s just the bicep and the tricep but i suspect it’s because i have my arm slightly lifted (not hovering) because it’s the best way for me to track since my arms rubs and my aim skips and jumps around everywhere when my arm is planted. i’ve tried arm sleeves and they make my aim a lot worse 😦

[short chasm]

Is your wrist supposed to get really tired after doing the fundamental routine?

[main cloud]

If you aren't used to playing an hour straight of aim trainer then you will be more fatigued than usual

It's definitely not desired though

[short chasm]

yeah I am not used to it

does it get better over time?

I'm not sure if I should brute force it or slowly build up the routine over time

[main cloud]

Uh the latter

Or you can space it out a bit

Over the day

[short chasm]

Thanks for the advice, I think ill try this out

might split it in half

[rancid meadow]

my ring finger's knuckle hurt when aiming, i mainly aim using wrist only and my cm/360 is 27.2143

any explanation?

[violet swan]

Been lacking motivation and feeling easily tired not bothered to grind the game, how can i fix that in a way, the feeling of playing valorant competitively feels more like a need instead of a want but i do want to get back into the ranked grind

[main cloud]

Many possible explanations: weak wrist, bad posture, too much playing. In this case it's possible you're gripping the mouse poorly/too hard

[main cloud]

My immediate suggestion is to take a break, find something else to do for a bit.

[sand peak]

is it possible to completely recover from tendinitis?

[balmy summit]

Is there a general consensus on wrist/forearm position in terms of health? I know that you want a neutral wrist as in no ulnar or radial deviation, but what about pronation/supination?

A lot of the times I see people recommending a flat wrist, but wouldn't this actually be bad? A flat wrist would be a severe pronated wrist, which should be a far more tense position with health concerns? The main reason for vertical mice is the neutral position of your forearm after all.

In that sense, does it make sense to try and tilt your forearm a little bit (less pronation), to lower the tension?

Same goes for the recommendation to have your arm close to your body. The closer it is, the more tense the pronation gets. Sure the rotator cuff can more easily function, but wouldn't a middle ground be the best, as in maybe 30° angled or something?

[main cloud]

That's a question for your doctor

[main cloud]

There's a number of competing factors that I'm aware of. In terms of pronation, there's a tradeoff between mobility and ergonomics. The more supinated your wrist is, the harder it is to use it for corrections.
"Flat" in this case tends to refer to the other directions if I'm not mistaken
As for the distance from your torso, your arm being further out induces stress on other parts like your shoulder.

[shy abyss]

Recently I changed my sens from a usual high to a low sens, now I use a wrist and arm for aiming and i'm starting to get like I guess pain or soreness on my upper arm to shoulder area. Not sure if its because its getting used to the new aim style.

[tawny oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsyUH4OIk2w

try exercises before playing

[shy abyss]

Alright I will try that out later today

[limpid heart]

I cant find a good sit position i cant aim up and down or left and right freely im 182CM and i already cut my table down to 70CM and i just dont know how to sit,place my arm,place my back it feels all so bad and i just cant aim smoothly because of it and i keep thinking about it and im not having fun in gaming bcs of it.

Anyone needs to help me :(

[proud belfry]

i’ve been having trouble with my aim in terms of smoothness because my right arm has been tense a lot even when i’m my “neutral” position and no matter how much i consciously tell myself to relax i can’t. and right now i’m laying in bed and i keep getting random idk spasms and tenseness and shakiness in the upper part of my arm / shoulder i guess, i’ll show you

the shakiness, tenseness and spasms are also on the underside of my arm in that highlighted area. so exacrly on the side where i highlighted, plus under

[sand peak]

what doctor should i see for tendonitis?

[pulsar niche]

depends how bad but a hand specialist for diagnosis and then likely a physical therapist

[sand peak]

will an orthopedic suffice for diagnosis and treatment

[pulsar niche]

diagnosis likely but treatment probably no

i recommend reading this but not to do any rehab work by yourself if its bad https://stevenlow.org/overcoming-tendonitis/

[limpid heart]

Do you guys sit with your belly against your desk or is there space between? I feel like i sit wrong

[runic brook]

so i did this and i don't think i did them very well

i'd be pretty upset if i gave myself carpal tunnel

i can feel all my finmgers okay but when i tried to sleep tonightresting on arm/hand it was throbbing nerar the ball of my hand

not so much the wrist but yeah

what can i to to prevent carpel tunnel and aveliate these symptoms i've been having

when i rotate my right hand wrist i fele things moving inside 😭

[pulsar niche]

i do because i like my forearms on the desk instead of my armrests, its not ideal but im planning to make a custom desk soon with a cutout so i can sit properly while still having my forearms on the desk

[limpid heart]

I just dont know how to arm aim and sit properly for me to be able to make movements up and down smoothly...and it seems nothing and nobody can help me with it and it takes all my fun out of gaming away

If anyone knows someone that can help me in discord call with webcam on to help me sit/place everything properly it would be really appreciated i just wanna have fun again..

[rose relic]

Anyone know a good way to address pain in a specific region of the shoulder? Feels like it's right below the bottom of my deltoid, about the depth where you'd feel bruising after getting a shot.

This is a chronic issue, aim can exacerbate it though. All the stretches I normally would do target other areas.

I tried to send an image but probably don't have perms for it

[fallen mortar]

Is it fine to go through a day with 6 hr of sleep for like 1 day (I usually get 8hr )

[worldly dragon]

yes

you might feel a bit more tired but in the long run it won't change anything

just try to go to sleep at around the same time

[molten badge]

yeah I dunno

my arm and hand just aren't getting better

[astral heath]

Is it bad to lean into my monitor?

[violet swan]

What do you do if you just don’t feel like sleeping?

[limpid heart]

Hello,
Is it possible to feel very dizzy when i stand up.
Atm i do not work or go to school because i had to quit both because i was very sick.
At the moment the only thing i do is sit behind my monitor eat, and sleep.
Everytime i stand u im spinning around in my head.
Could it be because i sit too much?

[worldly dragon]

low blood pressure

[tawny oyster]

it will strain your eyes so yes

[junior dove]

go to a doctor

[main cloud]

For the sake of your health it's important that you are least try to sleep. Schedule yourself a bedtime an wake-up time (try to keep it consistent) and leave yourself at least half an hour (preferably more) before bedtime with no phone, no computer.

[trim drift]

and stop spending whole day sitting at your pc

[violet swan]

why do you need 30m with no phone?

[main cloud]

A couple of reasons. One of them is that the blue light inhibits sleep (which is why devices have a red night light mode these days). The other is more to give yourself some time to relax without the stimulation of the entire internet.

[raw ember]

I've struggled with feeling comfortable gaming for years (arm position, mouse grip, chair height etc.) but today is decided to play while leaning back in my chair kinda like jdm from cs and it instantly felt way more natural and comfortable, does anyone know if this is bad for my back or anything, i have a good chair it feels way better

[maiden seal]

I think its bad for your wrists

[rotund mural]

Can’t even do kovaaks my hand just feels weak

[golden plover]

Consider giving your hand some rest if you know what I mean 😜 (no offence)

[rotund mural]

I’ve only touched kovaaks/pc after 3 days

Couldn’t be asked to play

[olive terrace]

hi

so i play a really aggressive claw grip where my hand in on top of the mouse the back of the palm is almost in the middle of my mouse and my fingers are around the mouse.sort of like twistzz's mouse grip.which causes my fingers to really curl up and cause joint pains.but i can't aim any other way cause i have been doing this for a while.any ideas?

[mortal nest]

hey i notice my hand feels very stiff and cracks alot when moving even after stretching

[tawny oyster]

perhaps you need a different mouse shape that fits your grip more

[runic brook]

wrist is acting up evne more now, lest pain but also feeling less strained kinda?

whenever i rotate it, it's sill snaps crackles and popples in side hand and wrist. it feels like somethingi is insid emy hand

thumb is affected by it when i do it too

[tight nacelle]

go to a doctor

[runic brook]

oh okay, gotcha

i'll book one now

[pulsar niche]

sitting at 90 degrees or leaning forward is outdated info, leaning back slightly is what all good ergonomic chairs try to achieve

takes strain off your spine too

but movement is good for you so you shouldnt be just static

and i disagree with what adieu said, leaning back doesnt mean its bad for your wrists

that just means the rest of your setup isnt optimized

[junior dove]

yup, my chair does that

[maiden mirage]

is it normal that io have double vision after playing the tracing senarios?

it takes a couple minutes to refocus again

to my knowledge i dont have any eye issues other than astigmatism

[olive terrace]

idk what mouse to get.

[tawny oyster]

specify your grip and ask some people in #peripherals im not an experienced person on the matter unfortunately

[pallid shell]

I tense my arm a lot like it starts to hurt after about 10 minutes when running through the benchmarks, but in-game I don't tense my arm at all, I feel like I need to tense my arm in tasks like sixshot and chainshot to hit the small targets

is there a way to aim without tensing arms?

[main cloud]

The short unhelpful answer is don't tense your arm since that's within your conscious control

[hollow current]

Usually tensing means your putting conscious focus on your muscles. You’re actively thinking about how to move your arm and that leads you focusing on your arm and muscles then tensing.

Having an external point of focus is best. Simply focusing on the target instead of worrying about the correct movement.

Other things you can try are things that relax you before and during aim training since you might be “over tryharding” it. Doing muscle relaxation techniques before the session, relaxing music, stretches, breathing, etc.

[gloomy glade]

When i am aim training or doing the warmup my arm is like shaking, is this a sign that I should rest?

[hollow current]

Hand is shaking or arm? Does this only happen during warmup or also in games?

[gloomy glade]

During warmup only

[hollow current]

Then rest wouldn't make much sense because if it were related to fatigue you'd probably have it throughout the entire session.

[novel fiber]

can keeping your wrist elevated off the mousepad while aiming cause wrist issues?

only asking because my wrist has always been a weak point for some reason and i'm feeling slight tension but i'm struggling to adapt to keeping my wrist flat on the mousepad

[shell wraith]

I am not sure if this belongs here but I did 3 hours of Kovaaks today, 60 minutes per session and three hours+ in between

I went to sleep and woke up after 3 hours, am I "losing" the progress I made or should I say can I still consolidate said information just as well might be a stretch if i just sleep in 6 hours-ish ?

Appreciate it thanks :)

[hollow current]

Sleeping so little definitely will affect your consolidation. Not only your consolidation but sleep deprivation (even an hour less than your body needs) will decrease performance and focus the next day which will then make your practice less fruitfull was well

Always go for the amount of sleep your body needs. Motor skill consolidation happens primarily during stage 3 sleep

[hollow current]

One last thing is that the most important hours for consolidating motor learning is in the last couple hours of a full sleep

[sage canyon]

Sleep is very important to Neuroplasticity witch allows you to consolidate info. 8 hours is important if you want to get the most out of your training.

[narrow wren]

sounds like your not eating enough

eat some meat

[limpid heart]

Ill eat yours @narrow wren

[hollow current]

Too little context for a proper recommendation but if this is happening frequently then I would say go to the doctor. Syncope, orthostatic hypotension, dehydration, etc could all be possibilities.

[narrow wren]

ayoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[limpid heart]

@hollow current thanks man

Ill check it out

[violet swan]

anyone have any good wrist exercises ?

[pallid rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoedUZ4OpPY this good enough

[violet swan]

thank you :>

[pallid rain]

in pins like the 4-5 ones

https://gmb.io/wrists/

[pallid rain]

it could be external factors like diet, sleep, cleanliness or exercise did any of those change?

[silent osprey]

Why are you using 500 dpi lol

Also chances are ur just being too cerebral about it

Soz meant hz

Not dpi

[pallid rain]

use 1k hz

[silent osprey]

It's only going to make u less smooth and less reactive

[pallid rain]

wait wrong message

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[silent osprey]

Make sure ur not holding it mouse too tight and make sure ur relaxed overall

A lot of shit like this is just cuz ppl tryhard more than they need

I mean maybe u have a hand tremor or something but that's usually not something that randomly occurs iirc

The vid u posted isn't uncommon to see tho

Focus on simple training protocols and just be smooth with it

👍

[civic rose]

Anyone know if weightlifting is a positive or deficit for aim training?

I've heard both sides so idk

I lift regularly and have for 6 years now since I'm a D1 athlete but I wanted to know which side is right

[pallid rain]

weight lifting is good exercise (I am assuming because u are an athlete you don't over do it)

[civic rose]

Yea but idk I feel like it hinders my aim after a good workout

Since my arms are shaky and tired

[silent osprey]

@civic rose I find that it's the exhaustion that gets me not the actual muscular fatigue

But if you wanted the best of both worlds, do your aim training beforehand

[civic rose]

That's kinda hard for my schedule

I workout twice a day in this season

Once in the morning and once in the evening

[toxic ivy]

does anyone know why playing FPS games could cause you to have vertigo despite it not ever being an issue before

ive been playing games for years without issue but for some reason in the past 4 days playing any FPS game, especially val, has been giving me really bad vertigo

[civic rose]

It could be similar to motion sickness

i struggled with it and have for years

especially when I'm in certain scenarios

uhhh make sure you're getting enough sleep too

[toxic ivy]

yeah i just dont know why its only an issue now

[civic rose]

do you take breaks?

[toxic ivy]

yea i take breaks pretty frequently

and it seems to start almost right away when i try to play anything

[civic rose]

it might have to do with your senses in the game

look up how motion sickness occurs since I can't really explain it to you

but for me it gets really bad when I focus on like my crosshair

while everything around me is moving and i get no audio (Apex moment)

It makes me extremely dizzy and i have to get off

[keen basalt]

are there any recommendations for academic textbooks on introductory psychology / sports psychology? i read inner game of tennis but i want a more structured read that an academic textbook would provide so i can learn better

[low musk]

Any tips on how to deal with work going from day shift to night shift constantly. I try to just have days but since I’m a flex I have to fill in for spots.

[main cloud]

One thing I've heard helps if you switch shifts a lot is to get glasses with tinted lenses. Off the top of my head I want to say the Amber color ones but you should double check.

(I'm pretty sure it's either amber or blue, but those are opposites so it's important you use the correct one)

[tidal root]

does massage gun really helps for wrist aim or its just good for forearm

[violet swan]

my finger tips have this tingly feeling when i aim train that last about 5-10 secs should i be concerned?

[low musk]

Alrighty, thanks!

[twilit pasture]

should i drink water or coffee for performance?

[tawny oyster]

water

coffee should only be for waking up imo

[narrow wren]

I think I have food poisoning should I be concerned⁉️⁉️

[tawny oyster]

not necessarily

[silent osprey]

food poisoning is pretty non lethal lol

u should be concerned if you have some other disease/condition that would make it worse i suppose

[hollow current]

Scientifically, both. Water obviously should be 3.7L a day for optimal performance and you can use caffeine as a performance booster. Only rules to follow is to not consume consume dumb dosages, and not take caffeine after 3pm

Coffee and tea have a wide array of benefits.

But I also think that people consume too much and are reckless with it.

[hollow current]

I remember reading Sport Psychology for Dummies.

[hollow current]

Exercise is an absolute no brainer benefit for aim training. You can even tailor workouts to augment the benefits.

If the question is weightraining vs cardio or something else then its tough to say. The studies done usually use aerobic or anerobic exercise.

A quick exercise before aim training will increase focus, attention and reaction time due to increasing blood to the brain and periphery.

Exercise after training will increase substances like BDNF (brain derived neurotrophic factor) that aid in learning. BDNF release is correlated with increased intensity.

[hollow current]

That actually sucks. Same happens to me in hospitals with call days.

Depends on the frequency and time intervals. If it’s 100% at random then kinda screwed.

Ideally you can progressively adjust your circadian rhythm (through sleep habits) but if its random then a quick fix is sometimes using a melatonin pill (3mg) on the night before the shift to forward your sleep schedule.

I don’t like to suggest a pill, only used if there is no other way to get some more consistency in your schedule.

[hollow current]

Usually this is from a mismatch between what your eyes see and what your vestibular apparatus senses. Like have you ever worn a VR headset and gotten motion sickness?

The reason is usually that there is a delay between the information on the screen and your movements. Like you suddenly turn your head right, your brain recognizes that and it SHOULD mean that what your eyes see also pair with that but in VR there sometimes is a delay (internet lag, frame rate or whatever) so you get motion sickness.

One thing you can try is sitting farther from the monitor so that your eyes can use the stillness around the monitor as a “visual” anchor for the brain.

[wispy hazel]

is it really true people can get great sleep just from 6 hours?

i heard there are people called super-sleepers

[hollow current]

A small subset of human have genes that allow for shorter sleep. But this is an extremely small number.

[wispy hazel]

so u can’t train yourself to become super sleepy

sleeper *

like for instance say i was able to get 6 hours of insanely high quality sleep

[hollow current]

No

[wispy hazel]

an ok

this might be an odd question but do you think how croaky your voice is when you wake up could correlate with your quality of sleep

[hollow current]

Think about evolution. Your body and brain has evolved for millions of years to need a good sleep. Would it make sense to be able to change that so easily?

[wispy hazel]

i mean i thought it might’ve just been thay super sleepers just got such good quality sleep that they didn’t need the extra 2

but thanks for the info

[hollow current]

Nah, only genetics. And most don’t really map out there genes so be wary of people who claim to be able to do so.

One of the things about sleep deprivation is that people who are deprived are terrible at recognizing they are deprived.

[wispy hazel]

i’m really struggling with sleep rn

i’m trying to just spend my life around planning my sleep rn because it’s a big problem

[hollow current]

Thanks for sharing. It’s a common issue. There are a lot of things that can help. Let me post something here real quick

[wispy hazel]

i read the voltaic guides

for sleep

[hollow current]

Not that

[wispy hazel]

and i’ve done most of the things on there but i think it’s just more of a waiting game rn because i just recently got my pattern set in mind it’s just im struggling to sleep even when im tired

[hollow current]

I’ve been working on a new document for Voltaic 🤫

[wispy hazel]

ahh okay

😊

[hollow current]

Sent some guidelines through DM.

[wispy hazel]

took a good read i’ll definitely try and do some of the first things

my end goal of the year is to try and get my sleep score into the 90’s

maybe even higher

on the fitbit if ur wondering what i meant

[hollow current]

Awesome. Let me know how it goes. GL

One last thing, don’t put pressure on yourself. Wanting to fall asleep will just cause sleep anxiety and lead to no sleep leading to a vicious circle.

[wispy hazel]

any advice of what to do then whilst waiting to get my mind off of it

i heard reading before bed is good

[hollow current]

One of the suggested things in the guideline is PMR. You can try that.

There is a bunch of other things like sleep hypnosis (it has actual science).

[hollow current]

Yea, it’s in the guidelines. Just try those out.

[wispy hazel]

is it really as bad as they say to use ur phone before bed like i remember before my sleeping pattern was messed maybe a few years ago it barely had any effect on my sleep and i’d feel well rested after waking up despite using my phone in bed

[hollow current]

Absolutely horrible.

[wispy hazel]

so even like if i was reading a book thougg my phone with blue light filters ?

much more convenient to read from ur phone than an actual book nowadays

[hollow current]

Ranked:

1. Read from a book with a lamp (ideally the lamp is at a low height and one of those orange-y light ones).

2. Tablet with night mode, lowest brightness possible and wear blue light blocking glasses. Turn off all notifications, use airplane mode.

3. The rest

[wispy hazel]

do u think back sleeping can help in qualify of sleep and general health i don’t think enough people focus on it enough imo

because i know it can cause shoulder problems if u sleep on ur side too much

[hollow current]

As far as I know there is no conclusive research on one position being better than the other

[wispy hazel]

i’ve done some of my own research and i think the biggest cons of it are shoulder pain and it can mess with your face symmetry

your teeth as well im pretty sure

[hollow current]

Well side sleeping (fetal position) is the most common and I just saw there was some supposed connection to improve brain function. Didn’t look into it more. It also puts the least pressure on your spine compared to prone or supine.

I think it probably has to do more with the specifics of your position and pillow. Like how are you positioning your arms and how rigid is the pillow and mattress.

[carmine timber]

does anyone know if there are any aimers with parkinsons?

[wispy hazel]

i saw a guy with hand tremors

[carmine timber]

ceiba

[wispy hazel]

would drinking 100mg of caffeine at 8am effect u at 10pm when ur trying to sleep

[carmine timber]

i have never had caffeine so i couldnt tell u

[main cloud]

You're asking if caffeine consumption 14 hours before bedtime will affect your sleep?

No, it probably won't

[violet swan]

?

[main cloud]

How often

[violet swan]

like once a day or sometimes it just doesn't happen then randomly comes back

[main cloud]

Probably not concerning

It just happens randomly or?

[violet swan]

past 3 days it hasn't but before that it happened like once a day

[main cloud]

Like when does it happen

Or is there no pattern

[violet swan]

after aim training or while aim training

[main cloud]

I would consider the normal wrist safety stuff (posture, stretching, not overworking) but otherwise that doesn't sound notable

[violet swan]

thank you!

[main cloud]

Obviously if it starts happening more frequently or severely you should look into it

[subtle glen]

So I’ve started back school recently and been lifting weights 3 days a week but I noticed that I frequently get tired in the afternoon and started taking more naps for the past couple of week. Any advice on how to improve energy throughout the day?

[hollow current]

Caffeine has a half life of 5-6 hours. Meaning that if you took 100mg it at 8am then by 1-2 you should only have 50mg in your bloodstream. By 10pm it should not affect your sleep. Rule of thumb is no drinking past 2-3pm.

[hollow current]

Well there is a lot that can go into this.

You started exercising so maybe you’re body is asking for recovery.

If taking caffeine in the morning it could be an afternoon crash.

Are you sleeping the hours your body needs?

Naps of 15-30 mins in the afternoon are actually healthy and good for productivity.

What are you eating? Carbohydrate meals tend to increase sleepiness due to the amino acids they contain. Try eating more fat/protein lunches.

Some basic stuff.

[hollow current]

Tingly feeling is called paraesthesia. By itself and with the infrequency you describe should not be cause for concern.

But maybe you grip and put too much pressure on your fingertips? It could be some minor nerve compression.

Also having a balanced diet might help if its some kind of minor vitamin/nutrient deficiency.

But honestly those are just shot in the dark things.

[subtle glen]

1. Don’t have any sources of caffeine but I do tend to eat cereal in the morning.
2. Most likely true, 2nd week into doing strong lifts 5x5
3. Sleep schedule is a little borked but I try to sleep from 11-7 but most people in my house are nocturnal so it’s not consistent.
4. Naps are kinda inconsistent and they tend to be at least 2 hours so that could factor into it.
   5.I really don’t eat a whole bunch but I’m getting into meal prepping soon but I do eat a decent chunk of bread.

I’m getting a sleep study done next month so hopefully that’ll help.

[hollow current]

Yea seems like your diet and sleep habits might be a big factor. Good luck on your study

[subtle glen]

Appreciate it. Thanks for the advice.🙂

[past mural]

I need help on weight loss, i'm 5'6, I used to weigh 120KG, I went on a huge deficit at around 1700-1500 kcal a day, and also hit the weights for 4 days a week and basketball for 3 days a week, I'm now at 78kg (my lowest recently being 75kg) and I feel like I'm plateauing, and I feel like it's because I can't drop the deficit any lower because I already went straight to 1500 from the start, and going any lower feels dangerous. Any tips?

I wanna at least be anywhere from 65kg-72kg

[hollow current]

Wouldn’t recommend going lower. These types of questions are pretty loaded and require much more context to give safe and educated tips. Scheduling a call would be best.

[past mural]

Where could I schedule a call?

[silent osprey]

plateau is normal

it'd probably be reasonable to stay at ur plateau for a while aka maintainance. sub 1500 calories gets kinda scary in terms of getting adequate nutrient intake

[hollow current]

Voltaic should release news on that in the coming week 🙂

[silent osprey]

evaluate where u wanna go after a bit instead of just bruteforcing weight loss

a period of maintenance is nice during a diet, since it gives ur body a bit of a chance to normalise metabolic rate for you to then go into another period of deficit (or not)

also if youre fairly new to lifting, being ok with having some extra body fat at the start is pretty good, since your body composition improves over time even without further deceasing bf%

also ofc make sure you have adequate protein intake, and consider increasing it further if you are on the lower end of 'recommended' intake levels

[hollow current]

Solid tips. Rule of thumb for protein intake is 1:1. 1g per 1lb. Higher intakes have been correlated to decreased muscle breakdown.

[trim drift]

why am i so bad in every game when im hungry

[hollow current]

A little hunger can increase focus but when you get the growling stomach it just messes with your concentration. Your brain keeps getting distracted since your stomach is basically yelling at you "FEED ME".

[trim drift]

i literally aim so bad i cant explain it... from compared to when i eat normally i just cant focus and every time i die cuz i whiff and i just get super tilted

and im doing that as i speak and cant stop it

[hollow current]

Low glucose levels probably also have an effect since its the brains main energy source.

[hollow current]

Just eat?

[trim drift]

i did

it just cant be gone in few mins

and since of school i slept like 4h last night

on top of it alll

[hollow current]

Well pretty obvious why you can't perform right now. No reason to tilt. Get some rest, relax and go again later.

[trim drift]

will do thanks

[hollow current]

Take a 25 min nap now, or ideally a 1 hour and 30 min nap. It will increase your performance especially since you're sleep deprived.

[trim drift]

my sleep schedule is kinda bad and now since school started today i went from sleeping from 4am to 12pm to getting in bed at 2am adn waking up before 7 today

and im gonna try fixing it by going to bed earlier

and actually eating breakfast

[hollow current]

Yea that's pretty horrendous. Even though you're technically sleeping 8 hours it still has a bad effect on your performance and health due to the timing.

[trim drift]

yeah

i eat lunch at like 4pm

and since i wake up like 2 horus before it

i dont eat breakfast

and just eat 2 times a day

[hollow current]

☠️

[trim drift]

basically i eat like i wake up at 7am

[hollow current]

Fix your sleep and general daily routine and you will see immediate improvement to your gaming and mood

[trim drift]

will do

[hollow current]

Sent you some guidelines through DM. Good luck

[trim drift]

alright thanks

[violet swan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoedUZ4OpPY&list=PLbWApV2CEX6UAOajtRhNzSqNwQsjui-GC&index=6

could this be bad to do before gaming?

[wispy hazel]

my boyfriend stretches me out before gaming and it's never been bad for me

[strong gale]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[violet swan]

real

[haughty canopy]

I have like a numb/bad blood flow feeling in my arm any suggestions?

[wispy hazel]

anyone recommend Benadryl for fixing sleep patterns?

[main cloud]

If you want to establish a new sleep pattern (and you'll be consistent with actually sticking to he new schedule) you can try Melatonin

Preferable to do it without pills though

[violet swan]

does a caffeine addiction affect my gameplay ? and in a negative or positive way ?

[hollow current]

No. Fix sleep through proper sleep hygiene. Worst case use melatonin as a momentary aid

[hollow current]

Caffeine enhances cognitive performance especially when combined with L-theanine. But you mentioned “addiction” which inherently is not good. Needing a substance to feel normal is never good. If you’re addicted you probably need caffeine just to perform at normal levels at this point and would need higher than normal doses to get benefits. Would definitely recommend tapering and cycling your caffeine.

[violet swan]

it used to be a lot worse like 120+mg everyday with 120mg being like the minimum i would consume , i realized i had an addiction and lowered it because i looked into it and someone said to do that , i now only take 80mg a day but i probably still have an addiction

i play everyday so idk how id use caffeine without getting addicted :(

[hollow current]

80mg isn’t that much tbh

[violet swan]

oh really ?

[hollow current]

It’s like 1 strong coffee

[violet swan]

oh lol

well i drink dr pepper cream sodas that have no sugar in them and theyre like 40mg each can

[hollow current]

80mg is not a lot. It’s alright. The thing to watch out for is what happens when you don’t take your daily caffeine

[violet swan]

alrighty ! well i can tell you that i did before i dropped it down to 80mg a day , i went without it for like a day and i didnt feel good physically and felt kinda sick

[hollow current]

Probably a good idea to stop it for around 2weeks to let you receptors to readjust

[violet swan]

alrighty ill do that tomorrow

thanks a bunch i really appreciate it :D

[hollow current]

You can start with a week or 10 days, just time for the body and brain to recover. Then you can go back to caffeine.

[violet swan]

everyday ?

[hollow current]

And just do it in moderation.

[violet swan]

wdym by moderation ? like keep track ?

[hollow current]

Caffeine is not inherently bad, There are many health benefits. I think daily caffeine is alright but I would suggest a different source instead of Dr. Pepper like coffee or tea

[violet swan]

okie :)

would something like g fuel also be good ? ive never had g fuel so im not sure whats in it :p

[hollow current]

Just mean being mindful of how much you’re taking and if you feel like you need it to function. Depending on a substance to feel alright is no bueno. It should be a boost

[hollow current]

Tea or coffee (no sugar). Much healthier and tea also has L-theanine which works even better with caffeine

[violet swan]

alrighty ill be sure to pick some up :D

is there anything else i should know ?

[slow yew]

Bruh I'm drinking 155mg every morning

I guess that's not good

[slow yew]

Maybe I'll just use on long days

[hollow current]

Well 400mg a day is considered the safe limit. To me its just about not having dependance on something.

[tawny oyster]

It's an anxiety bomb for me even at only 100mg, can't imagine who goes near or above 400mg

[rotund mural]

Bruh I cannot drink red bull and aim lmao my hand/arm is so shaky

[velvet grotto]

dont drink red bull 🤷

[hollow current]

Same.

[slow yew]

Well it's exam season kek

[errant kestrel]

finally got my diagnosis after 2 years of dealing with this shit, don't ignore your back and neck boys

[main cloud]

Homie doxxing his own medical history?

[hollow current]

Have you reached out to 1HP?

[errant kestrel]

I’m going to the sports medicine rehab for one of the best college athletics in the world lol

I appreciate the concern though

And I highly recommend anyone with kovaaks related health issues sees a sports medicine provider irl, I had online consultations with an Olympic PT and it didn’t do much tbh

Nothing against reaching out, 1hp helped me a ton and got me in the right direction but irl >>>>

[molten badge]

my god, my fucking thumb is just killing me

I haven't even been playing games for like two weeks and it's just getting worse

I got a new mouse that's more comfortable to hold but it doesn't seem to matter

[hollow current]

Anything MSK related I would recommend talking to someone from 1HP as a starter.

[grizzled oracle]

can i ask a question to a pt or someone that has knowledge

[main cloud]

If you have a question that's really for a licensed professional, you should probably not be asking on a discord server

[grizzled oracle]

thanks that means i get to ask my question

[grizzled oracle]

It’s a rotator cuff issue @ me if u can help

[molten badge]

hmmm, how would I do that?

I'm not sure what 1HP is

I just tried picking something up between my thumb and index finger and it shook so bad I nearly dropped it

also I can't really afford services right now heh

so unless they do free stuff...

[molten badge]

really, my hand just feels exhausted all the time

[hollow current]

Contact the 1HP team.

[grizzled oracle]

im closer to homelessness than a 200 dollar apt

[hollow current]

It has been progressiveky getting worse? It happens only when gripping something?

[hollow current]

Well ask away but I’m not a PT. I’m an MD.

[grizzled oracle]

I can find barely any info online about the difference between a small rotator cuff tear and rotator cuff tendonitis

I've had the issue since april the pain is mostly gone but my range of motion stayed limited

forgot to @ @hollow current

[molten badge]

it's been on and off, mostly on, for three and a half years

but it's starting to get bad again

it's sore pretty much continuously but actively hurts when I grip something

[hollow current]

Which range of motion is limited?

When it started what were you doing?

[grizzled oracle]

Feel it most when using a mouse to be precise, but as for real life, i used to be able to get my arm way further up my back than I'm able to now. I can lift my arm above my head and carry things no problem though if thats what you're wondering

[hollow current]

So you have pain and shakes? Does it feel week? Do you think the muscle on the thumb area looks different on one hand from the other?

[molten badge]

it shakes when exerted

and the whole hand feels weak

when I do this, there's pain in the circled around

[grizzled oracle]

I'm not sure, probably playing too low sens on a high desk

[molten badge]

applying pressure like this is also painful (sorry about the weird picture. kind of hard to take when I only have two hands)

they're not immediately visibly different... the right one might be slightly swollen now that I look carefully

[hollow current]

How long has it been going on?

How long have you rested from doing mouse movements?

[grizzled oracle]

5 months, been to physio and the exercises didn't work, as for playing fps games very very little since april, I do work from home and play games that don't use my full arm though

[hollow current]

My first thought would be that you have tendinopathy of the adductor pollicis muscle

[molten badge]

the adductor being the one that closes the hand, right?

or rather, the thumb

[hollow current]

And it has been going on for years? What activities makes it worse? What have you tried to make it better?

[molten badge]

it originally started because I was looking for solutions to wrist pain, and got a thumb trackball

which worked fine for a while

but then my thumb started to hurt really bad almost out of nowhere

the problem is that

[hollow current]

Or opponens pollicis muscle could be as well. I’m just making guesses here

[molten badge]

even when it heals and I don't get acute pain

there's just this diffuse, "general" pain in my right hand that frustrates my doctors lol

because it can't be pinned down to any particular spot

the hand just sort of hurts, in general

and when I get into that state, I cannot figure out causes or solutions. it seems to just show up randomly, regardless of what I actually do

[hollow current]

Is it more prominent in the thumb and the next two fingers? Do you feel that pain jn the pinky and ring?

[molten badge]

never in the pinky or ring

sometimes I get some pain in the MCP joint on my right index finger

and sometimes the pain radiates from the thumb all the way down the arm

I was actually mostly pain-free most of this year, as I started working out in february

my arms are much stronger than they used to be

but then I started playing first person shooters again, using a claw grip

[hollow current]

Well if physios or PT’s couldn’t help I’m not sure what I could do better. My anatomy and MSK knowledge needs a refresher.

[molten badge]

I'm like 99% sure that was the culprit here lol

but I haven't played in weeks and it's just not getting better

[grizzled oracle]

I was just wondering if it sounds more like tendonitis or a tear. I don't even know what the difference is

[molten badge]

I bought a newer, lighter mouse that fits my hand better but if anything, it's hurt more the last two days

[hollow current]

To me it seems you had overuse injury through repeated motions of mouse movements and it didn’t properly heal which resulted in no pain but a not fully functional shoulder.

[hollow current]

To me it would sound like a tendinopathy. But it can be annoying to distinguish between them.

[grizzled oracle]

Okay, and last question I have would be is it possible to get back to 100% or will I be carrying some form of shoulder limitation for life now

[hollow current]

@grizzled oracle @molten badge Give me a sec, going to check something on a PT book.

[grizzled oracle]

Cool thanks

[hollow current]

@molten badge Please try doing the Phalen's maneuver. Let me know if anything happens. You can google how to do it.

[hollow current]

In your case I would think you started with some sort of impingement.

You said you had pain but then it went away but are left with limited mobility

Impingement is usually in the subacromial area. Its when the muscle tendons are trapped between the acromion (part of shoulder bone), the bursa (a little water balloon that protects from friction) and other structures.

Repeated movements while things are impinged can cause inflammation (the pain), but then it can progress to the tissue becoming fibrotic (like thin and crappy) and eventually breaking.

Is there a possibility you ruptured it? Yes. Can I have an answer? No.

Could I be completely wrong about everything? Yes. So best advice is to try and get an ultrasound or xray done to the area to have confirmation.

[molten badge]

nothing on the phalen's test aside from a touch of pain in the fleshy part of the thumb where I circled before

I did have an EMG of my right arm done in 2019

[hollow current]

And nothing?

[molten badge]

all normal

of course, things could have changed, but my symptoms right now are basically the same as when I had them in 2019

[grizzled oracle]

Okay, perfect. thanks for the help. Do you know if it was to become fibrotic and crappy, if its like that for life without getting surgery?

[molten badge]

"fibrosis" is just another term for scarring basically

scars are pretty hard to deal with...

[hollow current]

Well if the biggest thing right now is that pain then it would suggest a tendinopathy of a pollicis muscle. Tendinopathies usually go away after some rest but you've had it for years right? Again, a PT would be better suited than me. Contact Caitlyn, Dr. Hwu, or Dr. Tsai from 1HP. They are experts in this sort of thing in gamers.

[molten badge]

the acute pain is usually not present but I am currently dealing with it

it's been the chronic, diffuse, hard to pin down pain that's been giving me a hard time the last few years

it's just like there's some kind of strange weakness in my hand that never quite gets better and makes it really easy for me to hurt myself

[hollow current]

fibrosis doesn't really get reversed. But again, we are speculating. Don't start thinking "shit Im screwed". This is whyI dislike giving even general advice through the internet because I can be horrendously wrong since I'm basing everything on limited knowledge. Please try and contact the people from 1HP (Dr. Hwu or Tsai) and say MetaDoc sent you.

[grizzled oracle]

Ok I can try, thank you

[hollow current]

Hm. but it hasn't progressed per say? And you the muscle does not seem atrophied right?

[grizzled oracle]

where is the best place to contact him

[molten badge]

it seems to be getting better this year as I was working out and getting stronger arms

but as soon as I actually tried playing games again

it came back pretty quickly

[hollow current]

Check the #coaching channel which lists their discord names. If not you can contact through Twitter or their 1hp website. They tend to be very responsive

[hollow current]

Seems like no video games for you for a good while.

[molten badge]

it has been no video games for years lol

[hollow current]

I had similar issue with my thumb and it went away in time

[molten badge]

aside from very basic stuff

or keyboard-only games

[hollow current]

then thats probably not the answer

[molten badge]

there would be times where I'd play games and get no pain

and times where I'd sit around doing very little and get pain

just very arbitrary. I have no idea what is going on

[hollow current]

Sorry man, wish I could be of more help. I can't give medical advice so please reach out to the 1HP guys and also say that MetaDoc sent you. They would be much better help.

[molten badge]

might give that a go... can't hurt I guess

being on a one-year waitlist for a hand and upper limb specialist here is... not great

[hollow current]

rough

[molten badge]

covid really fucked up our hospitals and the government is just making it worse. lol

[hollow current]

1HP specializes in these things in gamers. I vouch for them. Can't hurt

[urban linden]

weird thing I found out, but I'm able to lower my performance anxiety by holding cold water in my mouth when gaming. Was wondering if anyone else does that or something similar?

[hollow current]

Well that's new.

[molten badge]

anxiety can sometimes be mitigated by distracting yourself heh

[hollow current]

I'd say that would be similar to how people use gum as well.

Just a distraction.

[urban linden]

yea someone else said the same thing, but gum just stresses me out even more

[hollow current]

Are you a very jittery person?

[hollow current]

It's probably the same but holding water in your mouth takes significantly more concentration so it distracts you a lot better.

[urban linden]

well actually my body hates the cold like uncontrollable shakes, but when I lay on the ground I can stop it and my body just gets use to it

[hollow current]

Its like a technique to help people learn skills implicitly is called dual-tasking. Like swinging a golf ball while counting backwards from 10.

You gaming, while trying to hold water is pretty similar.

Well the water thing might be a momentary help but working on the performance anxiety itself would be more practical. Things like meditation and visualization can help

[urban linden]

I see, dual-tasking sounds like the most common conclusion people have told me, I basically use this as a sort of crutch I guess, to help my rational thought flow. I agree with stuff such as meditation and yoga, but I'm still trying to build a better space for it, just by adding more visual things like plants and something to set fire like lanterns

[hollow current]

Nice! You don't really need space to meditate. Can do it anywhere. Other things like adopting a growth mindset and focusing on your gameplay and not the results would also help. Good luck

[urban linden]

ty! yes you're right I don't need a space, just like I don't need leds on my setup , but I'm all for making any kind of space look some what inviting for the task.

[molten badge]

I don't have a single LED on my computer and I disable the lights on all my peripherals lol

[urban linden]

I can only imagine like you're in some kind of void when it's night

[molten badge]

correct

well, when I sleep

I have my light on when it's night

[urban linden]

true, different kind of visual clarity hmm, nice

actually just natural visual clarity

[hollow current]

For sure I support that too. Just making sure it’s not used as an excuse to procrastinate on getting started (i’m hella guilty of this)

[molten badge]

sigh lol

use my left and on my left-handed mouse for just a bit and it starts hurting too

not in the same way as my right hand but seriously... this is ridiculous

[hollow current]

Bilateral now?

How old are you?

[urban linden]

yea technically you're right I am procrastinating, but I've tried mediation for 30 days, but that was back in june. It was cool, but overall just boring to get into, however I did get the idea in august, and just started making a list of cool thing to add to it

[molten badge]

32

my left hand has been just weak and bad in general

when my right hand started having those pains, I'd use my left hand and other parts of my right hand to compensate and I feel like it led to some kind of weird cascading failure

[hollow current]

I feel that. The things that give the best results tend to be the boring ones.

As the “skill level” in meditation increases one starts to enjoy it more though.

[hollow current]

Huh. That sucks. I’m going to refrain from exploring this further. Not my place. Get the help you deserve my friend

[molten badge]

we'll see...

[frigid sierra]

U guys have any books rec on anger problems? need to stop geting banned from val for saying the famous low tier god quote

[hollow current]

Sorry, don’t have a recommendation. Amazon reviews and checking out the authors credentials should be good enough.

Getting to the source of why you’re always angry is the best way to improve on it. Meditation helps to control your anger and then figure out where its coming from.

[hollow current]

Personally, all of Dr. K’s info really helped me. Maybe want to check it out. https://youtu.be/Ke3a7jMKt04

[frigid sierra]

Will check the vid out here in a bit about to go on a walk and will listen to it then

[velvet matrix]

I got an rsi, is it still okay to aim train in moderation even tho that’s the reason I got it

[tawny oyster]

probably best to rest

[molten badge]

rest

that shit can spiral out of control fast

plus from a performance point of view, you don't really want to be training when you have an injury because developing proper habits depends on all the parts working properly

and if you're hurt, you'll likely be overcompensating in certain ways

which may lead to improper technique

also ugh I think it's time for me to just wear my splints for a while...

[pulsar niche]

who diagnosed it and what did they recommend for further steps?

[velvet matrix]

@pulsar niche my doctor, they just said avoiding what caused if it’s possible for a few days and rest my arm/wrist then slowly get back into what I was doing

[errant kestrel]

All i can say is what my docs have told me but this isn't medical advice so talk to a professional

if you develop RSI issues it's very rarely from the load you're placing on yourself, realistically the movements of a mouse should not cause any serious issues.

it is almost certainly bad form and a lack of strength/developed muscles causing the strain

Take a break, let the inflammation go down. But please look into your bad habits/form/weaknesses and address those issues before you get back into aimtraining

If you have insurance or the money I would go to a sports medicine doctor and explain what's going on to them. Make sure they investigate the trapezius/shoulders/back/neck/c6+c8 nerve roots etc.

Everyone here will recommend rest and stretches which will help alleviate the symptoms but unless you address the root cause you'll be right back where you are right now

[tidal root]

after pushup do you feel your mouse is lighter so i it good or bad

[velvet matrix]

@errant kestrel yeah ig maybe it could be outside factors like working out and stuff but today it feels alot better after resting it completely for 3 days

[errant kestrel]

for me it was my back and neck causing bad posture and squeezing the nerve/muscle imbalance

def make sure you're working out all of your trap muscles, lower traps usually get too little attention

and your core as well

that's good it's improving though, def make sure you're going forward knowing to do stuff differently so you dont end up injured again

[pulsar niche]

ye rest is mostly useless after a certain point and i highly doubt cherry has rsi if it got better in 3 days

you could slowly go back into doing what u were doing but gaming is not a very good way to condition your muscles/joints and ligaments

[errant kestrel]

yeah you gotta lift and do yoga p much

if you want to ensure it won't happen again

[violet swan]

College is destroying my mental health to the point that i can’t even play games well anymore. What do i do?

[signal gyro]

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[steel bison]

I feel like I auto pilot way to much in games , I have very rare days when I don’t, I think I have ADHD or something

[molten badge]

does anyone know what it means when my two hands seem to get crossed a lot

like... not in terms of coordination

but for example, when I'm scrolling my mouse wheel, I can feel my other hand also moving a little

it's particularly bad when I'm doing weighted wrist curls

my off hand is basically moving on its own

I'm wondering if my pain is related to this somehow...

[shell oak]

Is it like, an issue that your offhand moves slightly over time? I am kind of confused by what you mean

And unrelated but I decided to finally take the steps to quit nicotine, which should improve my blood flow and overall steadiness when aiming in games. Looking forward to my scores once I'm healthier.

[hollow current]

That sounds serious. Try out the people at Healthy Gamer or at least his content. Very helpful.

[hollow current]

People throw around ADHD waaayy too lightly. There is a criteria to be met. Autopiloting is very normal. The ability to refocus and stop it is a skill. There are a bunch of things you can do to work on this.

Focused attention meditation, priming, cognitive reminders, etc

[molten badge]

hmm I'll try to record what I mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ4mty-xJRU

I am not trying to consciously move the hand without the weight

it's just... doing that on its own

[hollow current]

This seems either psychological or neurological. Way beyond the scope of this chat

[molten badge]

yeah, probably...

[hollow current]

Has that been happening for a long time?

[violet swan]

+1

[molten badge]

yeah, for as long as I can remember

(but I've also been having hand problems since my teenage years so...)

[hollow current]

Seriously? Huh. There’s a thing called Congenital Mirror Movement Disorder. Try to get an appointment with a neurologist and maybe bring that up?

Super rare but it kind of fits.

[molten badge]

hmm, it seems to only happen with the exertion of weights... if I make those motions without holding dumbbells, it doesn't happen

it's not disruptive, but I was just wondering if it could indicate something that might explain the pain

perhaps not

[hollow current]

I see. Regardless, I would highly recommend you see a neurologist.

[pulsar niche]

just a guess but i would think its nerve related so yeah neurologist

[molten badge]

annoying :x

[pulsar niche]

you got good posture?

[molten badge]

my EMG a few years ago was clean for stuff like carpal tunnel

not really lol

I mean I'm not mega hunched or anything

[civic rose]

Serious question do you think smoking and getting high raises depression levels?

Asking for myself since I'm in a community where it's big

I don't do it myself but I inhale it on a daily basis and occasionally get a second hand high

[errant kestrel]

If you’re doing it daily it def has to have some impact on brain chemistry. Burns out your receptors I’d imagine

[civic rose]

Not smoking weed myself but I live in an a poor region where it's often done and distributed

And recently I've been noticing really drastic mood changes was so wondering if it was due to that

[hollow current]

So yes and no

As far as I know there is no conclusive medical evidence linking marijuana smoking to depression.

Like most things it depends on the frequency and reason for partaking in the behavior.

A lot of people smoke and get high as a form of escapism and momentary pleasure to avoid IRL problems. This leads to more smoking, and the underlying problem going unattended and festering longer and longer.

[civic rose]

So it isn't a stimulant of some kind right? Like you get a temporary high then a longer low

[hollow current]

Nicotine and cigarette smoking is a different beast on the other hand

[hollow current]

Weed isn't a stimulant

[civic rose]

Interesting

[hollow current]

It works on the endocannabinoid system of the body.

Smoking here and there isn't probably too much of a concern as long as its done in a healthy way. Realistically though, a lot of people don't do it in a healthy way

It does have negative effects on some neuron stuff and learning.

[civic rose]

Yeah in my community it's constant

[hollow current]

It's an impoverished community?

[civic rose]

In the mornings, after work, at night during parties, etc.

Yeah

[hollow current]

I applaud you bud for being so honest about it.