siege

[granite ivy]

Watched season 1 in like a day and a half

Season 2 is so fucking weird

[inland lark]

Thats what im trying to achieve, i guess i would have to continue hone my skills

We are science, papi isnt

[granite ivy]

I think it’s partly mental

The biggest shift was when I suddenly stopped being conscious of my aim

I can’t tell you when it happened exactly, but I definitely remember the distinct sensation of being unable to properly focus as I’d get uneasy and feel like I was “manually aiming”

And then one day I was just fully comfortable

Who knows

[inland lark]

Maybe tomorrow ill stop who knows

I guess "focus on target, not on aim" ?

If that makes sense

[granite ivy]

Guys you wanna know what the 3rd world experience is like?

I just stopped a break in attempt into my house

@astral dagger

This fucking country sucks

[worn wagon]

i wanted to say

that ik how it feels

but ig i live in 2nd world

now

[granite ivy]

Fucking hell man

[worn wagon]

you ok there?

[granite ivy]

They somehow managed to open the front gate

Idk

I listened to it

Woke up everyone

[worn wagon]

might wanna get a guard dog or a firearms licence or smth

[granite ivy]

Activated the alarm and got everyone up in the block

We were lucky a patrol was going around

Now we got 4 cops in here

But I can’t take this shit

2 years ago they got in

And scared the shit out of my mom

Threatening to hurt my ill uncle

This shit isn’t ok

[worn wagon]

Well I'd seriosly consider upgrading my security

just get a mastiff

[granite ivy]

It’s as secure as it can be tech wise but there’s legit no way my mom wants to get a dog again, let alone a gun

I’m just mad

[worn wagon]

oh

[granite ivy]

Who knows what would’ve happened if I wasn’t up?

I’d be with my hands on my back lying on the floor again while they take all our stuff?

I hate this

I just wanna graduate and leave

Take my mom outta here

And fuck off this shit hole

Sorry guys, I’m just venting

[astral dagger]

a la mierda

qur mala suerte

espero q salga todo bien 🙏

[worn wagon]

it's siege

doubt anyone is angry w/ it

[granite ivy]

Gracias, todo salio bien por suerte

Te taggie para quejarme de este pais de mierda

[astral dagger]

si la verdad es q yo tambien me iría a la mierda

https://tenor.com/view/papáde-jimmy-neutron-jimmy-neutron-gif-19796203

[granite ivy]

Los memes de algum br son ciertos

No se que decir

[astral dagger]

Si.

[worn wagon]

@granite ivy where do u want to move to?

[inland lark]

Canada

[granite ivy]

Wherever the fuck I get a job

I wouldn’t mind living in NA, west EU, OCE or even stuff like japan/korea

I just don’t want to be in a place where this stuff happens

[astral dagger]

(Latinoamerica)

[granite ivy]

And to top it all, a neighbour said she saw 2 cars speeding off once the first patrol got here

That means 5-6 people

[inland lark]

but you gotta learn their language

for jap and kor

[granite ivy]

Idec

I’m good with languages

Point is

[inland lark]

you just wanna get out of argentina?

[granite ivy]

I just don’t feel safe and it’s the worst feeling ever

[inland lark]

shit okay

[granite ivy]

Not even that, we can’t even get vaccinated for covid

Because our government didn’t do shit to secure vaccines

[inland lark]

from what i heard indonesia fines peoplefor not getting vaccinated

[granite ivy]

Our economy is going to shit

And literally nothing works here

[inland lark]

sad

[granite ivy]

It’s hopeless

Sure, I live a relatively good life

[inland lark]

all the best dood

[granite ivy]

See how cops got here in 5 mins

But that’s not ok

What if I lived in a shitty neighbourhood?

[astral dagger]

Cops shouldn't be having to get there in the first place xd

[granite ivy]

Well yeah

But what I mean

Is

That I called 911 and they got here fast, but even that’s probably random

[astral dagger]

Yeah

[granite ivy]

Living here just makes me feel hatred

[astral dagger]

Yo vivo

En el medio

De capital

[worn wagon]

oh god that sounds horrible papi

[granite ivy]

I despise every fucking idiot who voted for these corrupt idiots

I legitimately hate them

[astral dagger]

Bueno tampoco es como si hubiera muchas opciones

Son todos una mierda los políticos

[granite ivy]

No tengo ganas de pelear, pero si hubieramos tenido gobiernos radicales nada mas nada esto hubiera pasado. Eso solo voy a decir. Detesto con pasion y le deseo la muerte ahora mismo a cualquier peronista/kirchnerista

[astral dagger]

No te voy a mentir

Radical es mejor que peronista

[worn wagon]

that horrible

[granite ivy]

Ok guys, thanks for being here

I’ll just go back to binging aot I think

I’m not getting any sleep so I might as well make the most out of it

[astral dagger]

[inland lark]

@granite ivy stay safe

[granite ivy]

I will, thanks renz

[astral dagger]

are there any more that you wanna recommend? Doesnt have to be dynamic clicks. I am currently trying to create my own playlist

if I am correct, targetswitch and dynamic clicks are the best for r6 right?

[worn wagon]

Static
Dynamic Clicking
Target switch
Smoothness
Reactivity in that order

Popcorn rAim
Popcorn votlaic easy
Xentargetswitch
Voxtargetswitch
VoxTS raim

[astral dagger]

isnt the popcorn stuffs very hard for beginners like me? I found them really hard to hit a single shot

[near path]

it's pretty difficult in the beginning but you will improve quickly

play easier variations at first

[worn wagon]

Popcorn voltaic easy then

But playing pasu at first is ok

[inland lark]

try voxts 200%

i think its a good scene too

bots are small and move pretty fast

[astral dagger]

110 ROFL the median is 200

[astral dagger]

sth like pasu 1w5t and stuff?

[astral dagger]

i need easier ones haha

what I meant easier, very easier than y'all

[vestal brook]

@astral dagger when i started popcorn it took me a few tries but do it alot and youll be at the median most likely

[inland lark]

i think another impt thing is getting used to the scen

sometimes difficulty may not be the actual problem

[vestal brook]

@inland lark yo ik u from gta lol

[astral dagger]

btw when I try doing popcorn or any moving target clicking, I tend to aim where the bot will go. I dont really think this is the correct way to play the scenario. Am I right?

[inland lark]

yes tragik

[vestal brook]

lol wtf

[inland lark]

i think smoothness is impt for popcorn as well

[astral dagger]

so, to track the bot when moving?

[inland lark]

https://youtu.be/ZBNEAgaGjdQ\

@vestal brook when you posted your twitch here i think i knew it might be you

and the profile links in your disc

nice seeing you here

[astral dagger]

is there any more who explains how to do stuffs?

[inland lark]

specifically moving dots?

[astral dagger]

nah, just kovaak itself

[inland lark]

he also has other vids for static

tracking

[vestal brook]

@inland lark yea i saw your name and it seemed familiar and i check mutual friends lol, how long you been doing voltaic?

[inland lark]

1+ year in this voltaic group, and close to two years playin kovaaks

nice to be here

[near path]

how many hours do you have in kovaaks?

[inland lark]

400

100 hr on tile frenzy 😄

[near path]

jeez

I have 333 and I've been playing for like 3-4 months

it's pretty addictive xd

[vestal brook]

i just started

20 hrs

[inland lark]

it is

[vestal brook]

been fun so far

[inland lark]

yeap

@near path 333 hrs and you're already so good

[near path]

in kovaaks

[inland lark]

haha

[astral dagger]

is the easiest but considered good dynamic clicking scenario Bounce 180/360?

[worn wagon]

bad vids

for staic

[worn wagon]

bounce isn't universally considered good

pasu small and pasu 3 click are basically best clicking scens
if you want smth easier play normal pasu or pasu easy
good pasu:
pasu fixed(voltaic ac 13)
pasu goated reaload
Pasu slow
pasu easy
pasu 3 click v2
pasu voltaic small

[inland lark]

gotta make a playlist for pasu w these scens

should be good enough

[devout rock]

Voxts

[patent schooner]

[ocean jewel]

gm pro aimers

[velvet fern]

Morning Aim Trainers

[astral dagger]

but it would be frustrating as hell for me

reloading my ass off haha

[inland lark]

thats part of the scen

[astral dagger]

hate to admit

but true

[inland lark]

i was like you at the start

like "aw cmon man why do i keep missing(and therefore reloading my ass off)"

but ig its just about accepting it and ehh

be better

: D

[ocean jewel]

get better muscle memory men

[inland lark]

💪 🧠

[inland lark]

Playing siege right after reactivity playlist fucks up my hand so badly

like when im holding an angle, and when someone suddenly swings, i overreact w my crosshair

dk whether its really because of reactivity playlist but thats what ive realised for these two days

Idek whats wrong

Lmao

[devout rock]

If yall could bring back one thing to siege what would it be

Old ads, old movement, acogs or old house

[inland lark]

not downloading siege

[primal hamlet]

acogs

i miss F2 acog

[primal hamlet]

but this too

[inland lark]

kk it feels much better now guess its the lack of thunts

[velvet fern]

ADS

[worn wagon]

Old ads was the same btw

There was a several season long but when it was faster

[patent schooner]

same but not with siege basically any other tracking scene

playing air like its fuglaa smh

[prisma latch]

Anyone got the movement guide ?

Oh shit it’s pinned now nvm

[patent schooner]

cringe

[astral dagger]

dont try matching them, it will take a long time xD

[patent schooner]

it's not that

[astral dagger]

3x = infinite

😮

[patent schooner]

it's me being used to playing 17cm

[astral dagger]

lmao

[patent schooner]

im gamer

now playing "medium" sens kinda cringe ngl

[astral dagger]

is 53% hs accuracy good?

[solid rampart]

fuck

[patent schooner]

@cerulean sleet boosted diamond

cant even talk

[ocean jewel]

!!!!

now he gonna take your muscle memory

[astral dagger]

He gonna take malasangre’s rank

[patent schooner]

[astral dagger]

Be careful tommorow u will be unranked

[astral dagger]

[granite ivy]

Technically yes but I wouldn’t focus on it too much since sometimes you’ll just get hs in situations where it didn’t give you the kill faster for example

I think I had 62% on burnt horizon, but I definitely wasn’t that good or anything

Now I’m at 54% I think

[noble belfry]

papi

[granite ivy]

[patent schooner]

s-papi

[bronze spruce]

[astral dagger]

i stop playing siege until next season though, im in the weetard bracket againµ

[tropic flax]

Is reflex a hidden option now or is it still not enabled for siege

[worn wagon]

@granite ivy what are the 5 best scen for siege and for overall mouse control improvement besides static?

[granite ivy]

that's a good question

[tropic flax]

Are you making a playlist

[worn wagon]

No

Not really

Don't like playlists

[granite ivy]

for siege? probably pasu voltaic (fixed versions tho); stuff like ptiv2 (recoil control); I'm hesitant to say this but centering II is enough IMO for the basics of horizontal tracking in siege; tied between xents and psalmts for speed in all directions (xen seems better at first but it's legitimately fatiguing); and then you need something that has fast strafes since I notice too many people struggle with dealing with swings, gpv probably would work but it's overkill

[worn wagon]

Tbh I already have my list, but I really do like listening to people and what they think

[granite ivy]

overall? definitely smoothbot vt xsmall, pgti vt smaller, air vt, pasu small reload, the proposed 3d reactive clicking scenario (a 360 scenario where the bot has fast strafes and blinks and dies in multiple shots) and probably cfsi

[worn wagon]

Not cfsi ufo?

Reactive clicking sounds like it's either gonna be very very good or very poor

Also tyvm @granite ivy

Algum ar

🇦🇷

[granite ivy]

I'd argue against ufos for the most part since they're generally so extreme that the scenario ends up not being about tracking

I prefer the dashes and changes in velocity on sth like gpv

[granite ivy]

yeah, the inspiration came from mccree lmao

I think it's a good idea

since we don't put a lot of emphasis on "tracking" a target when clicking

because most scenarios are 1hk

so clicking becomes all about speed instead of about reading movement and timing shots, which IMO is something that's generally much more important

ofc this is more about games, rather than pure mouse control

but I'd love that scenario

[tropic flax]

you mean reading movements is more important vs speed or vice versa

[granite ivy]

I don't think it's more important

but it's definitely sth that hasn't been touched upon much by people in here

there's air nuns click which is on the OW playlist, but that's basically it

so basically, I think that the current benchmarks just focus too much on speed since you have to switch targets all the time

but when playing cree or wingman you don't really try to go fast, you try to be accurate and look for gaps in the movement

I generally think that this stuff is better suited for practice in game, but it could be interesting to see if the habits can be helped through aimtraining

also I think this can be one of the reasons why a lot of people think that tracking is much easier to practice in an aimtrainer

[noble belfry]

pasu profile with 2-3 hits could be fun

[astral dagger]

Air 3 click

[astral dagger]

Pasu 3 click

[noble belfry]

ah there you go

I will have to play it

[astral dagger]

why do ppl play with 83 fov

[granite ivy]

random number that probably comes from the fact that 83 ads was used for 1:1 maybe?

people are dumb

[noble belfry]

Wasn't 83 fov the same fov as csgo is when using 1x? (as in 106.5ish horizontal, I think a little higher)

[granite ivy]

oh, that would make sense wouldn't it?

[noble belfry]

I think that is the case

[granite ivy]

checks out for hfov on 16:9

let me see on 4:3

it's 90 hfov on cs right?

for 4:3

in that case it doesnt

[tropic flax]

i play 78 because that's 110 hfov

http://themetalmuncher.github.io/fov-calc/

[noble belfry]

Well i could remember something at least

I'm pretty sure I always just use 87-90 (depending on the ratio)

[granite ivy]

you could probably use 3:2 88

[noble belfry]

used to always use 78-82 16:9 though

[granite ivy]

16:9 looks ugly af and it just feels wrong in siege for some reason lol

[noble belfry]

Yeah

I think its because, at least for me, I'm so used to seeing other people use different ratio's

Like you watch a Muzi video or Papi popping off and then load up and if in 16:9 everything just seems so fish eye

[granite ivy]

true true, but I wouldn't dare put myself in the same sentence with muzi

[tropic flax]

I hate watching people play at 4:3

16:10 is fine tho

[granite ivy]

also, I feel that vfov is what affects me the most so I'd rather just keep 90 vfov while reducing hfov for better visibility

[noble belfry]

What'd mean papi best 2 south american aimers ez

I think 16:10 is that sweet spot of not looking bad and still being enjoyable

[tropic flax]

I just switched to 16:10/84

[granite ivy]

there's still nesk and alemao

and can't forget about paluh, he doesn't show off but he's impossible to beat in a 1v1 istg

fucking sixth sense

[noble belfry]

I rate nesk highly too but papi will always be top 3 in my heart

[worn wagon]

nesk isnt an aim heavy player iirc

atleast he wasn't when I watched pl

aka at his peak

beating g2

alem4o is pretty good tho

papi also crackedededed tho

[granite ivy]

yeah, it's mostly movement but his aim is really insane

[tropic flax]

I think most don't play 16:9 because they just blindly max fov. I played quake for years and don't know many players that played at 120fov+ they existed but it was rare and they preferred the fish eyed look. They typically had better movement too

[granite ivy]

paluh is a better example of a non aim heavy player

[tropic flax]

16:9 121hfov is dumb

[granite ivy]

alemao is very impressive, he's annoying af and toxic but has very good mechanics

[inland lark]

Never had this issue before, only until these past two days

[worn wagon]

best esports team period'

[granite ivy]

[mental snow]

nah paluh's aim is actually fucking ridiculous no cap

https://youtu.be/_XsU6L5QPc8

one of the best r6 highlight vids ive ever seen

[granite ivy]

he's ofc good

there's no way he'd be the best fragger in latam otherwise

but still, his movement and aim aren't as clean and efficient as others

I've played a lot of times against him

what separates him from other pros is how well he reads enemies, you can't catch him off guard

[mental snow]

true, thats especially important in a region where everyone is monke aimer lol

[worn wagon]

mongy aim!

mA on top!

[tropic flax]

what's the avg latam pro sens

does it differ than eu/na

[worn wagon]

Maybe

[tropic flax]

like koreans have higher sens consistently over EU/NA

it seems faster

from what little i saw

latam that is

[worn wagon]

Maybe

They do be less consistent tho

[granite ivy]

it used to be noticeably higher

I'm sure the difference is a lot smaller today

the only real weird is sexycake

he has sth stupidly high like 20cm 1x iirc

[inland lark]

Oh yeah

[worn wagon]

Agreed

[inland lark]

Exo setting up new mA group?

[worn wagon]

We already have one

We even have managers

And a ceo

[mental snow]

it used to be a lot higher if i recall but a lot of them i think play on average slower now

eu plays pretty slow too since a lot of them came from cs

id wager its apac -> na -> eu -> latam

but eu / latam could prolly be flipped, not sure cause i havent checked in a moment

[patent schooner]

wtf how many monky aim are there

[inland lark]

We never know

Wow ceo

[uncut marsh]

anybody know a few good scens for getting smooth straight lines in 1wXts scens?

[worn wagon]

Pokeball

[uncut marsh]

only pokeball?

[worn wagon]

I mean there's lots of scenarios

And smooth straight lines aren't that important

[tropic flax]

get to the target as fast as possible imo, you don't track your way there

if you can see everything clearly, you're going to slow

[worn wagon]

Basically you wanna have a distinct flick and an adjustment

But don't take that too seriously

Just try to overflick less

[uncut marsh]

i rarely overflick but my flicks arent very accurate

so i thought straight lines might help me get more accurate

[worn wagon]

What score range do you get in 1w4ts/ww3tm

?

[astral dagger]

what would u say is a decent siege cm/360 range?

[worn wagon]

25-30 on Hien/Raiden

34-66

Or even lower

[astral dagger]

guess ill settle at 50 for now then

watch me die 200x because im not fast enough in the weetard elo

[worn wagon]

Play high hipfire

Like 20 hipfire 50 1x

[astral dagger]

i never played with different ads speeds

feels so weird

but well i might try that in thunt for a week

[tropic flax]

You have 1:1 ADS for every scope?

If you really wanted 1:1 feel, you'd match it based on monitor distance for that scopes fov. Seems like a lot of effort though

[astral dagger]

ive been using 83 ads since wayback hahah

[worn wagon]

1:1 is around 53 now

Isn't it?

[astral dagger]

yeah i use 58 rn

I changed it to 28 hip 47 ads

It seems to work

I think i found the working factor for my ads to work

I just gotta use the same bend on arm as wrist

[patent schooner]

how can yall play so low men...

I'm trying too hard to transition to 30cm

[ocean jewel]

get slow muscle memory?

[tropic flax]

why? to fit in?

[patent schooner]

Getting shit scores in a lot of stuff and performing awkwardly bad ingame

@tropic flax probably better

In the long term

[astral dagger]

Yeah he used higher sens before

[patent schooner]

I just wanted

Diamond

On 15-20cm

[astral dagger]

He wants to be average click timing player now

[patent schooner]

Already got it so

[astral dagger]

He already unleashed the wolf

[patent schooner]

I'll just try for one week or smth

And see how it goes

[astral dagger]

How slow is ur pad?

In 4 days??????

[patent schooner]

It's a shit noname pad

[astral dagger]

Huh??

[patent schooner]

Hien soft arriving next week

😳

[astral dagger]

Like literally i couldnt bare playing on such a high sens unless it’s my worn down pad

[patent schooner]

U living in the past?

[tropic flax]

Don't be so sure, I mean give it a shot. But don't force yourself. They could all force themselves to play at a higher sens and do well too, probably even hit more insane shots, in fact i'd guarantee it. Just would take a lot more effort to be consistent

[ocean jewel]

😳

[patent schooner]

Ye man I'm liking the transition so far tbh it's something I wanted to try out sooner or later

I'll decide after using it for 1week at least

[astral dagger]

Hipfire 28, ads 41 im settled oh lord i shouldve changed this quicker

[tropic flax]

Now you'll start using angled on everything

[astral dagger]

Well i don’t think i ever used the normal grip

But i mained iq g8 so its normal ig

[astral dagger]

time for me to go to bed, dude has 1800hours, plays castle and roams with castle in silver elo. this game just feeds me anger

dude got boosted to plat by good teammates this season

he literally got worse aim then a cockroach

Why do i want to uninstall everytime after my teammates are quote on quote “amazing”

[patent schooner]

xd

[astral dagger]

Dude literally said “im not an entry fragger but i can hold obj” i frag 3 guys and they still manage to plant in site when he is holding main stairs on villa

Im going back to my alt tommorow trying to get plat on my main is just hurting my head

I don’t know but i can’t stand players below gold 1 they are most of the times just 1 iq players

[late peak]

don't worry it's the same in plat

[patent schooner]

even p3 its pretty easy

to get brainlessly xd

so nobody there is necessarily a not terrible player

[astral dagger]

I just get tilted playing siege since september

Idek why

So much stuff bothers me its unreal

[untold otter]

I been hardstuck plat 1 all season

No way out

[tropic flax]

TBH watching all the champ MMR streamers tells me it doesnt get much better at any rank

and you'd have to stick to 10 mans

to get a "good" game

[patent schooner]

Ye i stopped playing siege seriously like 4 months ago

Only played this season placements

[astral dagger]

I was one game off plat 2 in august and highest ive reached since is gold 1 because of my mentality with brainless tards

[patent schooner]

And a bit more

I feel your pain

Game becomes unbearable sometimes

[astral dagger]

My friend i used to duo queue with also stopped he stopped me from tilting to teammates

I have had a passion for siege since i played it on console but oh god i wish i could go back to the times i didn’t even know of it’s existence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwqv3VqMSaA&t=194s&ab_channel=WolvR6

[patent schooner]

Epic charm

[astral dagger]

fr

Ash blackice

[astral dagger]

r6 is all about skins

having better skins = win

idk but I do really feel like that haha

placebo effect

btw, what does "having different sens in Kovaaks and ingame does not matter" mean?

[tropic flax]

exactly that

[inland lark]

Playing 30cm in kovaaks and 50cm in r6 doesnt matter

Read 5th pinned message

[astral dagger]

s-musclememory

[bronze spruce]

Changing your sensitivity isn't harmful for practice and likely not harmful at all.

🔸 Read why 'muscle memory' is seen as a meme in aiming https://t.co/q5DGnafCm9?amp=1

[astral dagger]

s-sensrange

[bronze spruce]

Sensitivity Guidelines based on aiming style:
Tracking: 20-40 cm / 360°
Click-timing: 30-60 cm / 360°
Complete/KovaaK: 25-35 cm / 360°
Separate hip-fire sensitivities may allow flexibility with these ranges.

[astral dagger]

simply, it is ok even if you use 80/360 in r6, you can use 40/360 or faster in Kovaaks, and it will not affect anything?

[granite ivy]

Mfs forgetting about the most important command 😤

s-papisens

[bronze spruce]

Read: #siege message

[granite ivy]

@astral dagger

[astral dagger]

i see

[inland lark]

Spam everyday and we will rmb it :)

Ok bad idea no

[tropic flax]

I do disagree about muscle memory not being a thing though. I can flick based on sound/tracers alone and already start firing before I can focus on my target. That wouldn't be possible if I didn't learn X distance is roughly Y movement.

It's just not something that is necessary to worry about because you pick that up fast, or at least i do

[granite ivy]

The way I see it you’re doing nothing more than a movement based on information. Even then, stuff like a 180 requires very little precision so one might be able to get that off “muscle memory”

[tropic flax]

well yeah and that's very much apart of being comfortable with your sens which shouldn't take but a few minutes

[granite ivy]

The point is that regular aiming, where you’re focusing on a target and need to be precise is all about deliberate and controlled movements in which your eyes play a huge role. Even if you could get perfect sound cues, you wouldn’t be able to pull that stuff off blindfolded

[tropic flax]

oh i dont know about that

i probably have hundreds of shots that i didnt even see them

and got the kill

i mean the fact that you blindfold though that would throw off the axis entirely

so not really a counter to muscle memory

because you see where you start, even if you don't see your destination for the flick

[astral dagger]

I don't get the correlation with sound and muscle memory tbh

[tropic flax]

sound = visual cue in head

= flick

i literally picture it in my head and flick

by the time i register my target, sometimes they are dead or i am. Othertimes i actually get to see my target though

[astral dagger]

Still not 100% accurate

[tropic flax]

doesnt have to be

[astral dagger]

I don't mean the shot

[tropic flax]

doesnt mean it's not muscle memory

[astral dagger]

I mean the distance

[tropic flax]

it's roughly accurate

every time.

i could flick to the same spot in a room

every time

within a small margin of error

definitely enough to be worth shooting at somebody in a game like apex/siege/quake

anybody who thinks you're precise blindly is batshit insane

but anybody who thinks you don't get a rough idea of how far you have to move your mouse for a given distance

is also insane

This is less likely to happen the more game sense you have and the less chaotic the gameplay is. But I'm sure you've all done 180 or 90degree + vertical level change flicks without actually registering you were on target before you hit them

[granite ivy]

Rough idea yes, but just try and do a static scenario flicking based on this and it’s just not efficient. That’s the whole point, I’ve also got a lot of kills where I don’t even see the enemy but I make the movement based on a threat indicator on screen, a bullet tracer, etc. The point is that in order to be precise you need visual confirmation that you’re on target before stopping. That’s where the blindfold experiment comes into play, even just doing 180s were there’s a very big margin you just can’t do it without your eyes giving you info on when to stop

[tropic flax]

Oh i dont think there's a very big margin for my 180s they are pretty consistent. Wrist planted flick right as far as I can go without the base of my thumb coming up or extending

because that's how i determine my sens

😛

Again that really doesn't matter though because "muscle memory" isn't worth giving up training for better mouse control. Especially since it doesn't take long to adjust to a new sens.

But believe me if i played with 50cm and then 100cm and tried to do my 180?

i'd feel like a retard

i'd have to pick my mouse up 2-3x or change the way I aim

and it would take a while to get use to that

[astral dagger]

was that for me?

[inland lark]

No

[astral dagger]

what I still dont get is, if you wanna be accurate to target the indicator or sound cues, than you will need the practiced aim.
For example, if you are using 50/360 ingame and 30/360 in Kovaaks, then you will overturn because you would be used to the Kovaaks sens that you used to do training with. Or can you be used to both sens correctly?

[astral dagger]

thanks

[inland lark]

It is possible to be used to both sens

[astral dagger]

oh. then if you can correctly aim with 30/360 and 50/360, then what is the benefits of practied aim with 30/360?
More extreme, 20/360 with 80/360. It is said to be ideal to have around 25~35 cm/360 in kovaaks, but what if we use very low sens.

[tropic flax]

The benefit is that you're putting yourself in more uncomfortable positions more often and getting comfortable with them. This allows you to transition from wrist to arm aiming for example.

As an example ive always played really low sens or fairly high sens.

Inbetween was always the most uncomfortable

The reason is because I have the option to transition from fingertip to arm aiming, this lead to me worrying about comfort over efficiency. I'd use movement to help aim more

You're gaining mouse control that allows you to utilize most sensitivities more efficiently.

If you strictly gamed at say 20cm or 80cm then it wouldn't help you much to change your sensitivity. Since she 20cm you're using wrist + micro correcting with fingers while at 80cm you're using your arm and microcorrecting with wrist. However the vast majority of people don't just use 2 out of 3 aiming types. So for those people they should train all motions they would ever make.

[astral dagger]

The simple conclusion is: Use high sens even you use low sens ingame.
The following explanation is: Getting used to another way to aim (Arm, Wrist, Finger) would be useful, no matter what.

Did I got the point right?

[tropic flax]

Yes

[astral dagger]

cool

might wanna use high sens on Kovaaks now

thanks everyone for explanations

[spring flicker]

Hello what is the 16:9 FOV in Kovaak's for R6 please

[noble belfry]

Vertical 1:1

[spring flicker]

ty

@noble belfry So if I have 84 in R6 i put 84 in Vertical 1:1 on kovaak's ?

[noble belfry]

Yeah if you want to use the exact same settings, but honestly there is no need

[spring flicker]

ok

[inland lark]

1:1 103 ow is good enough

[astral dagger]

Papi, muscle memory training method: blindfolded 180 training in aimlabs

Thanks papi im gonna waste 200hours training muscle memory now

[inland lark]

not waste, efficient training

[astral dagger]

[patent schooner]

[astral dagger]

[noble belfry]

[inland lark]

[astral dagger]

[ocean jewel]

[primal hamlet]

does anybody know when the new season announcement is

[ocean jewel]

@primal hamlet

20 minutes men !!!

[primal hamlet]

wow

cant wait to see goyo get destroyed

[ocean jewel]

@primal hamlet

i just got done making strats with goyo and forgot he's getting alt + f4ed

[primal hamlet]

i play goyo a lot

now my life is gonna feel empty

[ocean jewel]

man...

[primal hamlet]

just gonna go back to being a braindead bandit ig

[ocean jewel]

now i'm gonna have to bring 2 shield ops..

[primal hamlet]

https://www.twitch.tv/rainbow6

12 minutes

[primal hamlet]

What is all this waffle

[ocean jewel]

gotta watch a match..

to see the changes..

[granite ivy]

What’re they changing about goyo?

[ocean jewel]

Removing his shields

[granite ivy]

Wait what?

[molten apex]

???

goyo ability: none

[ocean jewel]

There is a screenshot, i'll try and find it but its a screen of goyo's canister on the floor

I'm just hoping it's fake

[noble belfry]

That would be such a strange change

[worn wagon]

What do you think can help a player with insane mechanics get into siege faster?

[primal hamlet]

its literally like a melusi

you just pop the canister on the floor

and thats his abilities

[noble belfry]

Isn't that useless or am I being dumb

[granite ivy]

It’s probably not gonna be much easier for someone with insane mechanics, so I think it’d be the same for them or a regular person

They just need to focus heavily on understanding positioning, utility usage, map knowledge and communication

[primal hamlet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/comments/loesw2/leaks_about_goyo/

papi ^

[granite ivy]

The gunplay aspects should be easy after some time watching ranked stars

[ocean jewel]

man

this revel thing is getting worse and worse

get flanked is on now...

[patent schooner]

aim coach

[primal hamlet]

30 minutes

get flanked has achieved perfect muscle memory from gridshot

[granite ivy]

Oh god poor goyo

Also

???

[patent schooner]

Dont

Read

Reddit

[granite ivy]

I don’t even see comp players complaining about goyo atm

And these casuals want his shields taken away after wamai lost his?

[velvet fern]

What did he get removed?

[patent schooner]

Casuals are very epic

They think overpowered ops are not as much of a big deal and think of okay ops as overpowered ops

[ocean jewel]

Ok guys let me ace get flanked and his casual stack

watch jager get his 4-16 get replaced with the mpx

😳

[primal hamlet]

border rework s1

favela rework s2

multiple small s3

outback s4

[tropic flax]

woah they were using yokai when dead

[primal hamlet]

yeah

and attackers can change ops in the drone phase

🎅

[noble belfry]

So you don't even need to stay alive to get value from yokai drones anymore?

[tropic flax]

it's going to be on test in y6s2 but they also said anything there may get changed or not be added for 2 seasons. But yes that's what it looks like

they specifically want to make the game more engaging while dead.

Imagine the trolling that will go on with moving all drones/yokais

if they let you move drones while dead anyway

Well they just made a lot of money with the elite skin customization option.

[noble belfry]

Jill valentine, though the face looked borky

[primal hamlet]

melusi nerf

damn

[tropic flax]

pretty big one too

[primal hamlet]

i think the weak spot comes up too quickly

[ocean jewel]

no more draws boys

[primal hamlet]

you should have to stand in the radius for like 3 seconds before the weakspot exposes itself

[ocean jewel]

NA USING BO1

[tropic flax]

yeah that was my thought as well, it's actually easier to get rid of than barbed. So they get the sound queue of the banshee, but then they have to be in position to swing, in the 1 second it seems to take to become vulnerable

1 second or less isn't enough time imo

[vivid jolt]

Oh hell nah that drone change.

Ohhh hell nah.

[primal hamlet]

yeah

droning somebody through after youre dead

[patent schooner]

What?

XDDDD

They did what???

[tropic flax]

Did they show you being able to drone through while dead?

I know you coudl use yokai while dead

I have mixed feelings on that

[primal hamlet]

idk

i guess you can do more while dead

[tropic flax]

good for casual/lower ranked play.

kinda insane at higher levels though

Improvements to support phase: attackers can use drones after death, Echo & Maestro can use their gadgets after death

Reduced imbalance towards defenders

Attackers can repick Operators during preparation phase

GONNE-6 attacker secondary weapon that shoots small explosive round

Yeah those are big

especially the repicking operators

[primal hamlet]

what ops get GONNE

all?

[tropic flax]

no idea

[primal hamlet]

https://twitter.com/R6_news_leaks/status/1363590268008734721

R6 Intel (@R6_news_leaks)

Here is the ranked charms for Y6S1 Crimson Heist.

#r6 #rainbowsixsiege

Twitter · Feb 21, 2021, 8:43 PM

[patent schooner]

now that's epic

jesus

just compare this seasons charm to those charms

[primal hamlet]

this seasons isnt bad

look at the phantom sight one

[velvet fern]

Idk i'm not intrigued by this season's charms.

[prisma latch]

Imma need to hit diamond next season then

[pastel trail]

Top left sus

[inland lark]

Top left just looks like some lock from a wooden chest

[ocean jewel]

looks like the lock on my door

[vivid jolt]

I like the concept they are going for with the charms.

And that's about all I can say I like about the season.

Next.

[primal hamlet]

time to hit champ ig

[mental snow]

bidoof im horny

[uncut marsh]

guys vladr is horny what should we do??

[ocean jewel]

[vivid jolt]

https://twitter.com/kyansucks/status/1363580018232676353?s=20

kyan🌺 (@kyansucks)

i introduce to you, the devs that test out new changes! https://t.co/bBInOUm9Ry

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[granite ivy]

I couldn’t care less about how bad they’re tbh

I just wished they were aware that their opinions are as valid as those of silvers

[astral dagger]

silver myself, would be able to hear that beep stuff

[inland lark]

so like am i supposed to get tarkov now?

[velvet fern]

Yeah

[molten apex]

Yeah

[worn wagon]

Yeah

[worn wagon]

Tbh devs (I hope) understand the game better than an average person at their rank

[prisma latch]

How is goyo not balanced after the Jager ads change its become so easy to clear his shields

[granite ivy]

The changes they’re proposing make me glad I’m not putting any more money into the game. I don’t see how they could have any sort of understanding when 99% of pros’ feedback about the current meta was positive and no one was asking for even more defense nerfs and attacker buffs

All thid changes seem aimed at making utility clearing even easier for ranked players

It’s stupid imo

[noble belfry]

I felt as if they are just massively lagged with the changes they make

Like they are trying to fix a meta, that was already basically fixed

[granite ivy]

What pisses me off is that these changes take time to work out, but ubi somehow seems like they feel forced to shake things up every update

If the game is healthy, just let it be

No need to keep making changes when people are satisfied

[prisma latch]

Exactly they made really good changes imo with wamais shield being removed and the ads change and also taking flashes off ash made her pick rate go down

Ubi change things to balance one update then make it unbalanced in another, want to see how this echo and Maestro being able to use cams when dead will play out

[granite ivy]

That was more than enough imo as well, it already forces teams to be a lot more dynamic and play the entire map rather than bunkering down behind utility

Now they’re just asking for defense to run around like maniacs

Istg if all these changes go through I’m legit making my team spawnpeek and runout every single defense round in CL

[prisma latch]

They’re catering the game towards casuals and ranked stars to try and make it easier for them, if u used ur brain it’s genuinely not that hard to clear utility

[granite ivy]

Dumbest idea ever, why try to stay alive to preserve utility when alda go brrrrrrrr?

[granite ivy]

Yes, currently it’s not hard at all to deal with utility as long as you don’t waste explosives. Sure, before the jager and wamai changes it was definitely frustrating but now all it takes is 1 set of flashes and an ash/zofia to deal with the strongest setups

[prisma latch]

Very true, I just don’t think ubi are the smartest, for 5 years implementing tons of utility then in a few seasons needing absolutely every pretty much and then a season later giving major buffs to defenders

Funny aswell how in a game like cs I have literally never experienced a bug then on r6 there’s basically one every ranked match/scrim I play

[granite ivy]

I understand that siege is probably one of the hardest games to balance, but I can’t understand what’s going through their heads at times. Don’t they realize that casuals never asked for these changes even? If they just want to keep the majority of players happy then don’t change stuff lmao

Same thing with the dumb op releases

Release new ops when you have a good idea, don’t set a deadline because that’s how we get braindead operators that no one wants

At least if they want to introduce all this changes that make the game easier, do so only outside of comp

We don’t need all these changes when people are actually not throwing on purpose

[prisma latch]

I think Flores looks completely useless at a high level same with Zero he’s shit

They make useless ops with gimmicky gadgets to look fun but in reality they’re just useless

[granite ivy]

Flores seems like it’s gonna be so easy to counter that he’ll see no use

Zero at least can work

The intel is great

But he definitely should’ve kept nades

Maybe lost 1 or 2 cams

Or get the f2000 nerfed

[pastel trail]

Gods gift to man is the ability to not play rainbow six siege

[inland lark]

So mini what are you playing currently

[near path]

before ash changes

and after

[near path]

won't happen as new ops are a direct way to make profits

[astral dagger]

yh if they waited to relese new ops then wouldnt there be less season passes as that guarantees 4 ops a year, and if that figure is jepordised, the sales would probably go down

[near path]

there will be no more season passes, ops will be the first tear of the premium battle pass

[astral dagger]

is it

wtfff

[near path]

yes, and they extended limited availability to two weeks

[astral dagger]

so they drop season passes for battle pass?

[near path]

yes

[astral dagger]

jees

i just save renown

[prisma latch]

I was sure that would have made it go down but then again people mainly play her for her gun

[patent schooner]

blackbeard go brrr

[near path]

20 hp shield starting next season

[patent schooner]

tamed

[patent schooner]

fellas 30cm is tough I get gold static scores 😭

wtf 😭

[astral dagger]

well i get under silver on every single sensitivity so

🙂

[patent schooner]

😔

but it should be the other way around men

good scores with medium

bad scores with 17

i get diamond with 17 and gold with 30

epic

[ocean jewel]

keep grinding

[ocean jewel]

Duality of man

[astral dagger]

ofc

jobless, semester not started student

what else to do except games and workout

[ocean jewel]

grind da kovaaks young one

You wont regret it

[astral dagger]

ofc

im just doing it when i have free time

or whenever I feel bored

feels pretty fun to me

[ocean jewel]

[astral dagger]

67 hours rn and

why not play more 🙂

[ocean jewel]

gains

[astral dagger]

Micro muscle gains haha

[ocean jewel]

💪 🧠

muscle memory !

[noble belfry]

https://twitter.com/Get_Flanked/status/1363584660387823616?s=20

Get Flanked | DZ (@Get_Flanked)

Check my early access Flores video where I show you how you can use his drone vertically to make some big brain plays. https://t.co/U5pSBhiOOh https://t.co/e3SZHhYqJz

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I know its get flanked, but I kinda forgot the drones could stick the walls once you anchor it

[ocean jewel]

!!!!

[patent schooner]

nothing wrong with boomer aimgod

[tropic flax]

Says who? A bunch of people speculating and circle jerking?

You are simply faster with 17cm over 30cm because you don't move your arm as fast nor as controlled as your wrist or fingers.

[patent schooner]

indeed

[velvet fern]

Faster but inaccurate.

[tropic flax]

Clearly not

[velvet fern]

If you're used to it then go you.

[tropic flax]

I'm struggling with that part of static dots too

Dynamic isn't as bad

[patent schooner]

what sens u play riptide

[molten apex]

actually played siege today

crazy.

[tropic flax]

25-28.5

[patent schooner]

ic

[molten apex]

me, unans, theo, haerls and exodus

just piss chillin in unrated

[velvet fern]

Which region?

[molten apex]

EU

[granite ivy]

The speed difference is pretty irrelevant tho, speed only matters as long as you’re accurate. Only real use cases for such high sens are tracer players in OW

Oh and pine, he’s nuts on like 12cm?

[tropic flax]

The speed part isn't irrelevent

Im not talking about potential

[patent schooner]

I'm equally as accurate on 20 and 30, but I'm faster on 20, (faster meaning hitting more shots)

[tropic flax]

I'm talking about being comfortable with the motion. It's very different going fast with 17cm than 30cm

I've been playing with 35.6cm-50cm the last 2 weeks and haven't improved at all in static dots

because of speed

[molten apex]

really?

[tropic flax]

it's not comfortable nor consistent to push like that whereas at a faster sens it's comfortable. I don't put much effort into doing so.

yes.

[molten apex]

I find it much easier to go low sens and faster

[granite ivy]

Doing static on even lower sensitivities is very possible

[tropic flax]

I never said it wasnt

[granite ivy]

Drago and bruh used 80 and 75cm

[tropic flax]

again not talking about potential

[patent schooner]

Tracking is a much enjoyable experience for me on 30 because of smoothness, does not require any effort from me to be smooth, even then, higher sens feels more appealing for ease of movement and as long as you're able to maintain decent smoothness on higher sens I find it a lot easier

(higher sens is anything from 15 to 25)

[tropic flax]

It's also possible to track at 80cm

[worn wagon]

hud also had insane scores on 70 cm

[granite ivy]

Well the point is that if you’re bein lg unable to go fast it’s something on your end

Oh god my brain isn’t working

[tropic flax]

no shit sherlock

I already said it was

glad we're on the same page now

[granite ivy]

I don’t see the point of mentioning it then, if you’re not comfortable then just keep going until you are ig

[tropic flax]

this is why, it's all about him not about the sensitivity. Same with me though I don't play nearly as fast

because i was justifying his feeling because all of you guys are telling him he is wrong

when he isnt

he simply has more control, speed and accuracy at 17cm

otherwise he wouldn't be getting gold score in static at 30cm while getting diamond at 17cm

All this aim theory is largely bullshit and the only thing that matters is how you perform with it

[molten apex]

^'

v true

[tropic flax]

if i convinced you to play with 15cm

im pretty confident you would be good still

doesnt make 15cm better though

[patent schooner]

[tropic flax]

Im just letting you know I get exactly what you're saying

even the tracking being easier at higher sens

it's because we play at a faster sens to begin with

[pine salmon]

I think its a bit of a misunderstanding

[tropic flax]

so slowing it down a bit gives more smoothness

[pine salmon]

There's 3 different mechanical ways you aim
Fingers
Wrist
Arm

Each different way uses different sensities

So wile someone will be good on say 10cm they might be horrible on 40cm

[tropic flax]

yes, and when you aim at 30cm you're using arm whereas at 17cm you're not. Now people are telling those plaeyrs "LEARN HOW TO USE YOUR ARM"

I realize this, most of the server doesnt though

[pine salmon]

Correct a good aimer should be able to use all aspects of aim

27-34cm is the best range for this

[tropic flax]

however that's not the only way to be good.

[pine salmon]

Well being good is subjective to the user

[molten apex]

just use whatever is comfy

[pine salmon]

So like say someone pushing nova or ascended slight inconsistencies in skill will make a large difference

[molten apex]

🤷‍♂️

[tropic flax]

yes

[pine salmon]

Comoared to someone pushing platnum

But yeah honestly

Just play and have fun

It's not really that important or worth going elitist over like most do

There's pro cs players with 13cm

And pros with 80cm

[tropic flax]

As long as there is an exception, anyone that says "x is best" is wrong.

The only right thing is the player being comfortable and performing well

yea that's typically my point a well

Or edward using the worst form of accel and still being good

by worst i mean most inconsistent

I'll say something like gaiia or strenx play AFPS at 60-80cm while Agent will play at 7.7cm and they've all won lans.

"but imagine how much better they would be if they used a proper sens" - most people

not sure how much better you need to be if you're winning lans lol

[patent schooner]

yes

I wonder this sometimes

I only do it because I find aimtraining boring lately and feels like something that could make it more interesting

not expecting anything in return

but forcing yourself to use a "decent" sens just because XD

idk

[tropic flax]

I don't think it's worth it

i mean I honestly don't think you need better than diamond level aim

[pine salmon]

There is no wrong path but some paths are more efficient for improvement

[tropic flax]

now if you were trying for ascended

i do think it's very much worth exploring

but if you're just aim training to be better in your game or zone out a bit and click some dots

probably not

[molten apex]

ye

master or dia

is fine

tbh

I pushed it further and didnt really feel any different in game

but I mainly used kvk as a time sink

so dont really regret it

[tropic flax]

well there's also the accomplishment you get from it as well

[pine salmon]

Vertivality helps alot ingame tbh

[molten apex]

thats true

[patent schooner]

ye I'll probably stop

once I reach master

one hit away from diamond in popcorn and basically diamond

and I got all my scores on 15-17-20

so good enough ig

[tropic flax]

I find the problem with when i played with like something like 22cm is when im off

im really off

[molten apex]

nice

[patent schooner]

hm, yes I find many ppl mention high sens cons being extremely inconsistent but

[molten apex]

yeah riptide

[patent schooner]

I'm not really

[molten apex]

always was more consistent lower sens

[patent schooner]

in terms of ingame aim

I'm always decent enough might whiff a shot or two from time to time but that's it

[tropic flax]

have you tried a metronome?

[patent schooner]

yes

I find it helpful to increase kps but I don't think it helps a lot

like using 110 metronome wont make you go from 100 to 110 in 1w4ts

but it's likely to make you hit more targets anyways, at least for me

[tropic flax]

you'd probably have to use like 120 realistically

to hit 110

[patent schooner]

yes

just used it as an example

[tropic flax]

That's where im actually struggling

is KPS on static dots

[patent schooner]

static was hard for me to improve at but ig if you focus on it

with like routines and stuff

and put in time

you're going to get dia or whatever youre chasing soon

[tropic flax]

tracking gains come pretty easy

even dynamic

it's just static dots

[patent schooner]

I raced to static diamond with a friend and he went from 103 to 112 in 1w4ts in like two weeks, he played lots of static tho

xd, I hate dynamic

[patent schooner]

can relate

[tropic flax]

yeah like trackign i just play the scenario more

whereas with static i feel like i have to play other scenarios

[patent schooner]

ye

[tropic flax]

like it's the wide off angle flicks

[patent schooner]

too easy

to improve at tracking

but static is pain

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781397154827993118/811340631476666368/unknown.png

first time I played a reactive scene ever

I wish I improved

at static at that rate

[tropic flax]

lol

[near path]

how did you make this chart?

[patent schooner]

sec

[near path]

not for me x)

[patent schooner]

https://github.com/nahuef/statsViewer/releases

[near path]

ty

[patent schooner]

@spring karma made it

it's very epic

[near path]

ye I wanted to make my own but was too lazy, then they added in-game stats and it covered my basic needs so even less incentive

[patent schooner]

ye but ingame stats cant do this tho

[near path]

rip

[patent schooner]

le hardstook

[molten apex]

[spring karma]

Air is a bitch

[patent schooner]

ye

[spring karma]

but you can't live without it

[patent schooner]

no trust me I can

[molten apex]

[astral dagger]

[near path]

h o w

[molten apex]

play

air angelic

invincible versions

so air voltaic 3

[patent schooner]

gamer

[molten apex]

or 4

whatever

thats it really

takes like a week or 2

just record vod

[near path]

x)

[molten apex]

and figure out which bots you suck at

[near path]

fucking flat line

[patent schooner]

this makes no sense

[molten apex]

and work on those

rlly

[patent schooner]

woow 3 secs from diamond epic!!!

XD?

[molten apex]

isnt that pretty good?

like 930

[near path]

idk apparently not good enough

[molten apex]

is p decent

would have to watch a vof

d

to see what you need to work on

can vod review if you want

[near path]

lmaoo

what is this

[worn wagon]

@mental snow how many siege hours btw?

[molten apex]

im hardstuck aa4 voltaic 3200

[near path]

I can make pretty sine waves

[worn wagon]

so good

[molten apex]

but I havent played much kovaaks recently

[tropic flax]

@near path looks like you peaked 1/28-1/29

[near path]

I do, should I record Air Angelic or something else?

[tropic flax]

for both your scores

[molten apex]

you want to work on air voltaic right?

I can help with that

[worn wagon]

#nak #love #support #wholesome #mongy #dongy

[molten apex]

if you record vod

[worn wagon]

nak love

[molten apex]

im hardstuck aa4 so idk what I can do to help myself !

[near path]

air (angelic) and fuglaa are my biggest enemies xD

[molten apex]

ah ic

fuglla shouldnt be too bad