siege

[frank compass]

I want Titanfall 2 with a competitive gamemode

that would be perfect

[normal bloom]

titanfall without titans

titanfall movement is sick

too bad apex is br

[frank compass]

Titanfall 2 with no titans

and an SnD style mode

would be fucking amazing

the TTK and movement in that game

are perfect

or give Apex Titanfall movement

instead of the watered down shit that currently exists

[normal bloom]

yeah would be so good

played halo on pc?

[frank compass]

no

[normal bloom]

ttk was high as from memory

[frank compass]

movement looked rlly sluggish

[normal bloom]

twas on xbox. idk if they changed in later games

[frank compass]

doubtful

[vivid jolt]

Don't doubt your vibe.

[normal bloom]

the p12s irons give me anxiety

[normal bloom]

wokkas aim is really average on his korean channel

dw just recent vids

[inland lark]

hello, may i ask how i can improve?

[frank compass]

youre a little slow on directional changes

itd be easier with an avg clip than a hs

also #advice or #vodreviews (depending whos awake rn) might be able to give better (more specific) tips than I can

I treat pasu track like microadjustments

instead of tracking

idk if that makes sense

[inland lark]

avg clip than a hs?

[frank compass]

a clip with an average score

rather than a clip with a high score

its easier to analyze cause you make more mistakes in an average clips than a PB clip

or the mistakes are more exaggerated so theyre easier to notice

[inland lark]

ah sure

its just generally jerky

and im using a sens higher than what i use in actual r6

[frank compass]

Its hard for me to tell specifically WHERE you fuck up

asides from the directional changes

[inland lark]

i get it

[frank compass]

cause 1. Im not great at tracking 2. theres no stats thing

so I cant see where the accuracy is starting to drop

[inland lark]

ohh okay okay

[astral dagger]

i finished writing roaming

pls review

[frank compass]

actually really solid

"Plan an escape route For if and when you get pinched by the attackers,"

reads very strangely (to me)

also should be a semi colon instead of a comma at the end cause you start listing

or a colon

just to break it up better than a comma

but thats a really small grammatical nit pick

[frank compass]

that was smart

although the zofia was mid coming off of an animation

ns on the sledge

[lime wyvern]

thanks.

[astral dagger]

ba-mambo going crazy

[inland lark]

damn i can see enemies clearly in that vid but in my own game i cant see shit idk whats the issue..,..

[lime wyvern]

I can tell you my settings if you want.

[frank compass]

pls share

[inland lark]

u having that issue too>

?

[frank compass]

i always have

[inland lark]

damn please share

[frank compass]

I can never distinguish in this game

I need outlines to see shit 99% of the time

[inland lark]

i cant distinguish terrorist

even

do u use vulkan

[frank compass]

sometmes

[inland lark]

ohh

i tried usin nvidia control panel to control colours

[coarse vale]

GG @inland lark, you just advanced to level 10 !

[inland lark]

then idk

doesnt seem effective

[lime wyvern]

Texture quality: very high
texture filtering: 8x
Lod quality: ultra
shading quality: low/off
shadow quality: low/off
reflection quality: low/off
ambient occlusion: off
lens effects: off
zoom-in dof: off
ainti-aliasing: off
4:3, 90fov
gamma is like 60 I think
5-5-100 1.0Xfactor, default multiplier
Default nvidia settings

[inland lark]

wowwwwwww

okay okay

brightness?

60?

like colour vibrance? or literally gamma

[lime wyvern]

ingame brightness

[inland lark]

ohh ok

i may try playing around w text filtering and/or lod

i have a 1060 6gb so idk if i should change texture quality

[lime wyvern]

lod should be ultra but I can't really tell a difference between the texture quality

[inland lark]

ok then i should keep it at low

i have tried changing lod and texture filtering to higher settings

seem to work for awhile then after that i dont realise anything different from lowest settings

now i think i woul wanna try again

alright thank you

[lime wyvern]

np

I heard that the texture filtering is from ram but I'm not sure

[frank compass]

texture filtering is noticeable at ranges

when looking closely at round objects

cause theyll be less pixellated/blocky

also it barely affects frames so its good to set to x8/x16

[inland lark]

Lod?

[frank compass]

LOD does the same thing as texture filtering (kinda)

It doesnt really

but it kinda does

[night radish]

Sweet answer lol

[frank compass]

i know

truly a wordsmith I am

[night radish]

Indeed

[ocean jewel]

Tbh i kinda hate 5 stacking with randoms

[night radish]

why wouldnt you

[surreal cosmos]

wait a minute

i just realized my monitor had frame cutting or whatever it is called

i was do smoothness close strafe invincible from aljo and everytime the bot changed direction, the top and bottom will go forward more than the middle

g-sync time

[frank compass]

i had that when I was on 120fps lock in kvks

its aids

[surreal cosmos]

i set lock to 300 and still happened

[astral dagger]

just git gud

pretty easy

solution

[surreal cosmos]

g sync didnt do anything but okay

[frank compass]

sad

if its cfsi

it tears very badly

on anything under 144hz

[stuck panther]

Is there a way to uncap FPS in kovaaks?

Was watching a zeeq video and he had FPS in the 500s

[raw fox]

set the fps cap to 0

i capped at 400 for my 240hz

[frank compass]

i have mine capped @ 300

for 144hz

[surreal cosmos]

;(

[raw fox]

cant wait to get a 360hz for the memes

[frank compass]

the higher frames, regardless of refresh rate

is just smoother

is there a good 360hz that costs <$500??

[raw fox]

gonna be so fast that i see everything before it even happens

[frank compass]

lmaooo

itll make your shaft 0.01% better

wait

wrong game

[astral dagger]

bucks boomer reaction time

holds him back anyways

360hrz wasted

[frank compass]

man

[raw fox]

not yet the tech is just going to hit the market soon

[frank compass]

must suck to have a 240ms reaction time

smh

[raw fox]

smh

[frank compass]

its ok Buck

we're here for you

🙂

[astral dagger]

👍

[raw fox]

i can live my reaction speed if i can prefire

[frank compass]

lmaoooo

true

[surreal cosmos]

4K IPS 240hz is probably like 2k

[frank compass]

but like

why need 4k

if there was a good 1080 ips @ 240

thatd be dope

but last i checked there wasnt

[raw fox]

i can live with 1080p till 2025

then we will get good affordable 240 4k monitors

[frank compass]

I just dont see the point for 4k in gaming

like frame wise

itll be horrible

[stuck panther]

More pixels hahaha

Pretty pixels

[raw fox]

also in 2025 we can run 4k 240hz

hopefully

[vivid jolt]

Gonna try and do the Rappel and Destruction sections later today if I have time.

[frank compass]

I was gonna do rappel because Im a pretty good rappel player, but Im bad at explaining window movement

and the only thing I could really coherently put into writing was

"abuse perspective"

[astral dagger]

always move

left and right

on a rappel

[frank compass]

no

thats bad advice

that only works on a few windows

and if you try to apply that to all rappel spots you will inevitably overexpose yourself/fuck up your angle

[analog halo]

Upside down rappel, small peeks, try to look for feet, careful for people proned close to window.

Also, have someone drone you before you peek, or drone it yourself and have someone watch run-outs/jump-outs.

etc

[vivid jolt]

Go for Rappel if you want to do it.

I'll add onto it later on if there's anything I can think of.

[surreal cosmos]

when i rappel upside down i lose sense of direction lol

[astral dagger]

I'm very bad at rappel

I've finished roaming and anchoring, not sure what to do next

@vivid jolt finished the attachment part

feedback from you guys appreciated

[vivid jolt]

Insane job hurls.

[frank compass]

really good hurls

do we really need a recoil control sub topic?

its covered pretty decently with Attachments

and I feel like itll just be repetitive

I also feel like trying to talk about peeking

more than what is said with leaning

is really hard to do cause its extremely specific to scenario

[analog halo]

DAMN HURLS WROTE AN ESSAY!

[vivid jolt]

That's true. I think you can remove the recoil control topic and just add a note in the attachments section.

[astral dagger]

@analog halo I rather do it right this time

so no one has to re-do it later

Insane job hurls.
@vivid jolt glad its not shit lol

i can do the recoil stuff

if i have time

[opaque bolt]

https://youtu.be/pYf4hMyrpMM

[astral dagger]

already seen

[opaque bolt]

He basically says its not worth it

I think its worth it tho

[astral dagger]

pengu plays mini tile frenzy to warm up pre game

his knowledge on aim trainers and what they do

[opaque bolt]

Lmao

[astral dagger]

must be insane

[frank compass]

thats what i said

when I saw the vid

I think toast is the one that said what Im abt to say

any FPS pro that says Aim trainers are pointless is like a basketball pro telling you practicing shooting is pointless

[opaque bolt]

He did make the distinction that for pro league players

Aim trainers arent worth it

[frank compass]

Pro league players also have dogshit aim

[opaque bolt]

Probably hes right since hes a pro and i dont know the pro scene

[frank compass]

for the most part

because aim isnt important

at high level siege

the game is 90% positioning

[opaque bolt]

Yeah thats what i thought it would be

[astral dagger]

they are worth it as they make you improve your aim , what he says is that the time investment might not be worth it if you are a pro and have decent aim

as they practice other stuff

[frank compass]

"pro lvl aim"

[astral dagger]

yeah

[frank compass]

90% of pros have shit aim

[astral dagger]

i edited

XD

[frank compass]

then theres ppl like Vertcl

hyper, beaulo, muzi, etc

[astral dagger]

yeah no idea why i formulated it like that

xd

[frank compass]

but theyre few and far btwn

and a lot of players with good aim wont go anywhere because theyre shit at positioning themselves and making coherent plays

I know plenty

most of the players with "good aim" in siege dont even have good aim, they just know where to aim

[astral dagger]

ye

[frank compass]

like

[opaque bolt]

Like macie jay?

[frank compass]

he doesnt even have decent aim

but yes

https://clips.twitch.tv/RenownedPlumpMinkGrammarKing

this clip

[astral dagger]

i also think

spoits actual aim

[frank compass]

is much better

[astral dagger]

isnt as nuts

he knows where to aim too

[frank compass]

for explaining kvks/aim trainers

yea

Spoit has good xhair placement

and movement

his actual aim

[astral dagger]

same with godly

[frank compass]

if we consider flicks/tracking

not very impressive

that rapha clip is also applicable to siege

except quake is an aim/control based game

and siege/cs/val are positioning/control based games

that said, applying aiming from kvks into games like siege/cs/val is possible, but the problem is its not necessarily going to be the driving force behind why you improve as a player

its like playing b180 where the amount of time you spend in the scen directly correlates to your score in most cases because it rewards your reading skills more than your actual aim (if youre playing it for score), Siege rewards time played and your ability to learn from mistakes more than it rewards your ability to 90deg flick shot someone

[opaque bolt]

Def true

[astral dagger]

siege is just micros

[opaque bolt]

I used to play siege

[astral dagger]

put your crosshair right

[opaque bolt]

Extremely heavily

[frank compass]

yea I agree hurls

[opaque bolt]

Like 12 hours a day on avg

[frank compass]

also why is your name

in japanese

or is that chinese

[opaque bolt]

Its korean

It says throwing

[frank compass]

its korean?

tf

[opaque bolt]

Yup

[frank compass]

korean is curvy tho

thats really straight

hmmm

[astral dagger]

you didnt look in general

[frank compass]

no

OH

[astral dagger]

like few hours ago

[frank compass]

WERE YOU THE ONE

WITH BOOM

I was asleep

[astral dagger]

no

[frank compass]

a few hours ago

oh

well

I asked boom why his name was in KR

[astral dagger]

everyone had japanese or korean name tho

[frank compass]

oh

I see

[astral dagger]

done

[frank compass]

danke

[astral dagger]

all for you

the german xd

[frank compass]

so

it is Bitte

when someone says Danke

right?

[astral dagger]

yes

bitte

[frank compass]

my german is like

[astral dagger]

<3

[frank compass]

functional

[astral dagger]

u cute

[frank compass]

but not great

and I also stopped learning

cause Im lazy

:<

[astral dagger]

köftespieß keupstraße

mit ayran

[frank compass]

I know

[astral dagger]

?

[frank compass]

none of that

[astral dagger]

its a meme

[frank compass]

I never got to the meme stage

[astral dagger]

from a german rapper in a prison interview

[frank compass]

I got almost through present tense

[astral dagger]

hes asked what he would do when he comes out

and he says he wants a kebab

[frank compass]

LOL

[astral dagger]

meme is like all over the place

atm

[frank compass]

also

Ich habe Hunger

is weird

[astral dagger]

XD

[frank compass]

or

Ich habe Durst

is the other I think

[astral dagger]

ye

[frank compass]

weird when translated directly

[astral dagger]

well

translating german

directly

is wierd

yeah

[frank compass]

Im a big fan of the word heisse

and how it means my name

and hot

[astral dagger]

i mean

it doesnt mean hot

like its not the infinitiv

[frank compass]

hmm

[surreal cosmos]

any micro micro adjustment scenarios because when i VOD myself i have decent crosshair placement, just sometimes enemies are slightly below, slightly on the right, etc. no need for large flicks

[frank compass]

pasu track, 1w6ts, wide wall 10targets extra small

[vivid jolt]

Forgot about this from a week or so ago, but the perfect circular hipfire-diamond glitch is back.

[frank compass]

._.

[astral dagger]

how

lol

[frank compass]

shit devs

patching on old versions of the game

thats why there are bugs from white noise

and from chimera

this is a fucking joke

[stuck panther]

good siege sens / good 360/cm for siege?

[frank compass]

40-70 for holo

anything for hipfire

acog is % of holo

[stuck panther]

currently on 12-12-60

feels ok

[frank compass]

thats in the rec range

[stuck panther]

should i stay?

[frank compass]

up to you

[stuck panther]

debating if i wanna just grind it out

only been on it for two weeks

might just have been an off day today

[astral dagger]

currently on 12-12-60
@stuck panther dont say your ingame sens without mentioningdpi

[frank compass]

400

is assumed

[astral dagger]

yeah its obvious

me too

its just

annoying

[frank compass]

because thats a super common sens

yea

[astral dagger]

when ppl do that

[frank compass]

I agree

[stuck panther]

yeah sorry

400

im still new to aim groups and that

thanks for informing me

[astral dagger]

np np

either say your cm/360

or ingame sens

but then

the complete thing

[frank compass]

or if talking to anima

deg/mm

because hes special

[astral dagger]

deg/mm is goated

wdym

[frank compass]

and thinks its the superior measurement

no

fuck you hurls

[astral dagger]

it is

actually

[frank compass]

cm/360 superior

[astral dagger]

if ppl would understand it

[frank compass]

well

thats the problem

[astral dagger]

cm is just simple

[frank compass]

deg/mm is mathematically superior

[astral dagger]

cuz ppl can imagine

what it looks like

[frank compass]

cm/360 is superior tho

[astral dagger]

deg/mm isnt harder to understand

just inst visual

[frank compass]

I mean

if I knew the conversions to cm

then it wouldnt be hard

but like

if someone tells me

0.6667 deg/mm is their sens

?????????

54ish cm

I shouldve picked numbers

that arent close to my sens

but im lazy

[astral dagger]

ye

[night radish]

Deg/mm js absolutely harder to understand lol

[frank compass]

its harder to visualize

therefore harder to understand

therefore inferior in all but mathematics

[inland lark]

Lol deg/mm

[night radish]

its better in math? how lol

[frank compass]

it's linear

[raw fox]

i just eyeball my sens and dont adjust

put it in a calc, get close and leave it

[night radish]

and use a fleshlight while finding it

[raw fox]

no

[night radish]

im jealous of your skill

[frank compass]

I use multipliers religiously

to the 4th sig fig

[raw fox]

every game feels different on the same calculated sens. 2.5 in cs feels faster than 2.5 in r6, and 2.5 in apex is slower than 2.5 in quake champions.. all 400dpi

[frank compass]

yea

but like

muh muscle memory

!!!!!

also 2.5 slower in apex than QC?

def other way around

[raw fox]

thats how i feel about qc

bumped up to 31 cm since 41 was a little hard to move with

[frank compass]

so wouldnt it be the other way around

QC is faster than Apex so sens feels slower

at least thats my opinion

[raw fox]

i think thats what i said

2.5 in apex is slower than 2.5 in quake champions.. all 400dpi

[frank compass]

I think we're saying teh same thing

I think its just your wording is fucking me up

or its actually backwards

I cant tell at this point

[raw fox]

it is what it is

[opaque bolt]

I thought 800 dpi was better than 400 dpi?

[coarse vale]

GG @opaque bolt, you just advanced to level 5 !

[frank compass]

technically yes

[opaque bolt]

Like a higher dpi being able to make tinier micro adjustments

[frank compass]

but its not noticeable

[stuck panther]

well after testing im trying 14/14/73 400dpi which is 32.53cm/360

[frank compass]

yes

[opaque bolt]

Oh

[frank compass]

like

theoretically

[opaque bolt]

So just preference then

[frank compass]

1600 is prob the best

for minimal sensor noise

and microadjustments better than 800

but its such a small amount that is prob never going to be noticed in game

[opaque bolt]

Whew

[frank compass]

400 does skip on some sensors tho

so

800 is def better imo

[opaque bolt]

Was asking cuz i used to use 500

Then switched to 800 dpi

[stuck panther]

stupid question but 400 doesnt skip on hero sensor right?

[opaque bolt]

Thought i messed up

[frank compass]

no

but 800 is native to Hero last I checked

ur dpi doesnt really matter

it's really insignificant

[stuck panther]

so then should i make the switch from 400 to 800 since it's native?

or not worth my time

[frank compass]

meh

if ur comfortable w 800 on desktop then go for it

if not

dont bother

it wont make you better

and you wont notice it in 99% of cases

[stuck panther]

mouse question

[coarse vale]

GG @stuck panther, you just advanced to level 4 !

[frank compass]

hmm

[stuck panther]

so i have a my gpro wireless which i use now and i also have the finalmouse 2

should i stay on my g pro?

[frank compass]

preference

literally doesnt matter

[stuck panther]

ok

i got hyperglides on my gpw so ill stick to it

that way i can remain consistent even when the skates wear down

i can always replace

thanks for all the assistance @frank compass

[frank compass]

hyperglides are good on most mousepads

[normal bloom]

400 “skips” on every sensor

just that the angles it skips are so small that it doesnt matter unless youre playing a stupidly fast sens

[frank compass]

yea youre right

although

I think I was thinking of resolution

not sensor

maybe not idk

[normal bloom]

pixel skipping is misleading since youll skip pixels on 4k but not on 800x600 at the same sens

my mouse does 16k dpi lol

kinda wanna try it for the meme

[astral dagger]

@vivid jolt is there a way to add a little picture in the doc ?

being able to add one of those graphs

would make explaining recoil

way easier

[frank compass]

you can copy paste the image in

[astral dagger]

would need a high res image tho

[frank compass]

I mean

meh

that one looks good enough

[astral dagger]

gonna use this for now

[vivid jolt]

You can but those are useless.

[frank compass]

they are

[vivid jolt]

They're pretty much all wrong.

[frank compass]

well

[astral dagger]

nah it helps explaining

[vivid jolt]

Fair.

[astral dagger]

if you could take a look at what i wrote

obvsly not finished yet

but not that i got the idea wrong xd

[normal bloom]

i remember seeing a pic of the recoil diamond ages ago

would be a good example

[astral dagger]

It would be legit if we had someone make a YouTube guide using each section as a script

wink wink nudge nudge

[normal bloom]

[astral dagger]

https://streamable.com/9puoif @vivid jolt is this a good training map to get better with my whole mousepad as it feel strange in certain areas

[vivid jolt]

Just seems like a worse TFS 360 or B360.

But 360 scenarios are underrated.

Great practical use.

Especially TS 360s

[astral dagger]

i'm also not using any wrist i lock my wrist and only use my arm as i feel i flick with my wrist even on big flicks and it put my wrist in a position that i can't adjust with if i need to if that makes sense

[vivid jolt]

Happens.

[astral dagger]

ye trying to just work on more arm movement and bigger flicks

my smaller flicks with wrist are fast and accurate just my arm flicks are not quite there yet

[vivid jolt]

I’d definitely recommend utilizing your wrist though. The most accurate part of your body.

And you’d hardly ever not use it in game when doing those flicks.

[astral dagger]

ye i guess

[vivid jolt]

Just find the balance combo of using both.

Don’t overextend one or the other.

Not very helpful advice but that’s probably the right direction.

[astral dagger]

My arm aim is terrible but my wrist aim is very good

I might experiment with very low sens to improve my arm aim

that's what i did

also did super high sens for better micro and wrist adjustments

try shaiiko sens

5holo sens

80cm

gonna go play some val even tho it's shit

[normal bloom]

anyone do aimer7 smoothness in siege?

5:4 60 high sens

[astral dagger]

never heard of that

[normal bloom]

i may have just invented it

[lime wyvern]

I did 5:4 60 as a joke and instantly got a 3k

[frank compass]

arm is for macro

wrist is for micro

on lower sens

wrist is for macro

ftips are for micro

on higher sens

I dont know why I typed it out in the least efficient way possible

but going to a super low sens wont make your arm aim better because you'll end up compensating with your wrist in conjunction with using your arm

[astral dagger]

tonight was a good night in ranked

over 600 elo gained

[frank compass]

nice

[stuck panther]

Best method of learning a new sens?

[inland lark]

damnn

soloq?

[frank compass]

playing the game

[astral dagger]

yeah im a few games off diamond

then ill have diamond on smurf and main

[frank compass]

haha

imagine getting diamond when every 8 games are hackers and every 2 weeks are rollbacks

😆

[astral dagger]

i havent played hackers once this season

odd ang

[frank compass]

ANZ

least % of hackers prob

the asia servers are full of them, EU has it pretty bad, NA usually seems to be the worst with the blatant ones at least

LATAM is hard to say

[astral dagger]

@raw fox you got your hien yet?

[raw fox]

Had it since february

[astral dagger]

How are microcorrections

[raw fox]

I did wash it a couple times but still really easy after 2 weeks of hard use.

After washing i mean

Out of box it feels weird

[astral dagger]

Super small movements are difficult for me but I can't tell if its me or not

I am 34cm

[raw fox]

I wash mine frequently

[astral dagger]

Same I wash mine every 2 weeks

[frank compass]

I was mine 2 months

micros feel fine

[astral dagger]

Should I get pure ptfe, I'm using the stock model d feet

[frank compass]

for the hien

[raw fox]

Get tiger arc 2s

[frank compass]

comparing stock zowie to zowie hyperglides

i dont notice the diff

[raw fox]

I use that for my hien

[frank compass]

errr i do, but its not a lot

[astral dagger]

I really like my hein but I feel "jumpy" when it comes to very small mouse movements

[frank compass]

are tiger arcs any diff than hyperglides/corepads?

like thyere just Teflon no?

[raw fox]

Pure ptfe yes, differences? No.

[frank compass]

yea ok

cause ik my corepads are essentially the same as my hyperglides

performance wise

[raw fox]

I like the glide tiger arc2s have over the first gen

They behave nicely on any pad

From my focus 2, hien, otsu, hard plastic fnatic mat, shidenkai, gsr

[frank compass]

shidenkai mmmmmmmmmmmm

too bad theyre way to expensive for their life span

really wanna try one

[surreal cosmos]

im using stock gpro wireless. do yall use amazon for stock feet or do u actually go on the website (corepads, etc)

[raw fox]

They are really silky to the touch and i had no problem aiming with them

But its just over kill for stand shoot fps that i like to play

[astral dagger]

Are small mouse movements easy for you on the hien?

[frank compass]

yes

errr

compared to my zero

no

compared to my GSR and other pads, about the same

[raw fox]

Yes

[astral dagger]

I'm thinking about trying a hardpad or a glass pad

[frank compass]

Nedis

Helios

Shidenkai

[raw fox]

They are fun but not really good for r6

[frank compass]

best 3

also what Buck said

[raw fox]

Soon to be skypad

[frank compass]

I keep forgetting abt skypad

[astral dagger]

Ahh I think I know why

I have a lot of pressure on my mouse

When I aim

[frank compass]

the gloss on my S2 is fucking my grip

[raw fox]

I hold my mouse like its an angry animal

[frank compass]

pain

[raw fox]

Very light

[astral dagger]

I hate zowie coating

[raw fox]

Sand it down with a kitchen sponge

[astral dagger]

Also they are heavy

[frank compass]

idw sand it tho

:<<<<<<<<

it looks nice shiny

[astral dagger]

And have terrible wheels

[frank compass]

S2 wheel

actually good

[raw fox]

That

[astral dagger]

I used an ec1a for many years

No more zowie

Glorious is my best friend now

[raw fox]

If you havent gotten to experience the kpu/kpoe wheel, those wheels make you feel good

I dont do zowie shapes

[frank compass]

zowie shapes good

[astral dagger]

I went through gpw, kpu, mm710 and ec2b divina but the model d is the best ive tried

@frank compass too bad pretty much everything else on them sucks compared to market standard

[frank compass]

ergo bad

Yea I mean

older zowie models

[astral dagger]

Even new ones

[frank compass]

only have good clicks and shape

[raw fox]

The lack of other substantial features that zowie have compared to logitech/razer/roccat puts me off

[frank compass]

My S2 compares well to everything I have

[raw fox]

They are easy to mod tho

But so is my mm710

[frank compass]

like teh S2 wheel and clicks

are very good

Id say the only one I like more are the Viper's

[astral dagger]

They are heavier, have worse cables and worse stock feet compared to market standard

[frank compass]

Zowie stock feet are not worse than market standard

[astral dagger]

I think the mm710 and glorious line are market standard

[raw fox]

The current market standard*

[frank compass]

cables maybe

theyre heavier than current market

[raw fox]

Way back when all this wasnt mainstream

[frank compass]

way back before the ultralight

[raw fox]

Zowie feet are fine

[frank compass]

Zowie ft are better than most

imo

or at least were until Model O, Viper, etc came around

[raw fox]

G pro w is best mouse of all time

[frank compass]

ew

no

[surreal cosmos]

i use gpw ;(

[astral dagger]

No

And never

[frank compass]

I like my GPW

[surreal cosmos]

y not tho

[frank compass]

but like

not the best

[astral dagger]

Gpw can suck my hairy balls

That mouse scammed me

[surreal cosmos]

Reasoning?

[raw fox]

For what it brought/pushed

[frank compass]

maybe?

[raw fox]

At the time

[frank compass]

but that doesnt make it the best

[surreal cosmos]

i only have g403 and gpw so, i might be biased for the gpw

[frank compass]

g403 shape is woat

[astral dagger]

Double click, bad shape and stock feet are ass

[frank compass]

but i hate ergo

so

[astral dagger]

Also can't mod :(

[frank compass]

shape is ok

not great

[surreal cosmos]

shape is better than g403 for me

[frank compass]

double click is 50/50 issue

[astral dagger]

Without making it unsellable at least

[surreal cosmos]

im using stock feet gpw lmao

[frank compass]

I mean its also a $150 mouse

so modding is

yikes

[surreal cosmos]

i got my gpw by trading 80$ of csgo skins

[frank compass]

like personally I feel very unconfident modding a $150 mouse

[surreal cosmos]

ez deal

[astral dagger]

It's not worth $150

[frank compass]

no its not

$100 maybe

[surreal cosmos]

^

[frank compass]

but with the QC issues

$150 is too much

glad mine doesnt double click

[surreal cosmos]

same

[astral dagger]

Or $250 aud when I bought it a YEAR after it came out

[raw fox]

It pushed the bounds for a safe shape/low latency wireless/low(er) weight all in one package

[frank compass]

yes

that doesnt make it the best

that makes it a good mouse

[lime wyvern]

mine didn't double click either

[frank compass]

like the GPW is an objectively good mouse

[astral dagger]

I feel like the premium for wireless absolutely aren't worth it

[frank compass]

its not the best tho

meh

depends

with paracord no the premium isnt

with most stock cables up until recent

it def was if the wireless was low latency

like logitech

and had good battery life

[astral dagger]

Even with shitty old cables, with a mouse bungee cables won't affect your aim at all

It did have a good battery

[frank compass]

uhhhhhhh

mouse bungee doesnt help rlly shitty cables imo

like the original Ultralight cable

bungee did not help

that thing was fucking horrid

[astral dagger]

Yes they do, less slack cable flinging all over the place less weight to mess with your aim

[raw fox]

I started a fire didnt i...

[frank compass]

SteelSeries cables are terrible too and bungee doesnt really alleviate that

I mean the problem is

if you give too much slack

then youre running over your cable

and if you dont give enough

you fuck your ability to use the edges of ur mousepad

and its very hard to find that consistent middleground

[astral dagger]

Hmm, mine usually has enough slack to make it near the edge of my mouse pad

[frank compass]

at least imo, that middle ground changes every day I get on my pc

but I also play

a weird setup

so

[raw fox]

How weird?

[frank compass]

Rapha

[astral dagger]

I still don't like paying $100 for wireless

[raw fox]

Oh shit

[frank compass]

I think the Viper was worth $150

I dont think the GPW is worth more than $120

because of QC

[raw fox]

G305is 49 usd iirc

[frank compass]

you can get em for like $35

[raw fox]

But then again

[frank compass]

G305 has horrible weight balance tho

[raw fox]

Buying a rechargable battery

[frank compass]

I also dont like GPW sensor position

thats the main reason I cant go back to it

its too far forward

[astral dagger]

G305 is wireless without market standard specs

[surreal cosmos]

Wait whats the issue with too forward sensor?

[raw fox]

I like a more forward sensor position

[frank compass]

its preference

theres no issue

[astral dagger]

Like ambi, inbuilt batteries, lighter weight, good buttons

[frank compass]

I just pref in the center or slightly back

yea

but g305 makes a good cheap, modable mouse

and its internals are VERY good for modding other shit

I would love to get an FK wireless but the only guy I know who does those lives in GER

[raw fox]

you can use the internals to make weird ultralight mice

[frank compass]

so its not feasible due to shipping cost

[raw fox]

Fk shape is a miss for my grip

[frank compass]

My grip is very flexible

so

[astral dagger]

Pengu has a wireless ultralight ec2b

Which I really want

[frank compass]

damn

if that GER guy still does the mods

id love to buy one

the shipping would cost as much as the mouse tho

which is kinda absurd

[astral dagger]

I have really big hands so I can't use small mouse, but saying that I did use an mm710 for a while

It was like holding a pebble

[frank compass]

I think the last mouse I want to try

is XM1

[raw fox]

That

[astral dagger]

Xm1 is pretty much mm710 shape

[raw fox]

Thats good news for me

[frank compass]

what brand is mm710 again?

[astral dagger]

Cooler master

[frank compass]

https://gearsearch.gg/shape?Endgame Gear=XM1&Cooler Master=MM710

[astral dagger]

It's like $40

[frank compass]

they look pr diff

[raw fox]

49 ish full price

[frank compass]

shape wise

mm710 is much shorter at least

and thinner

[raw fox]

The buttons are sharp as fuck

[lime wyvern]

I have the g305. I'm looking for a new mouse in the range of $30-$50. Any suggestions?

[raw fox]

filed mine down

[tepid delta]

Bo-Mamba:

I have the g305. I'm looking for a new mouse in the range of $30-$50. Any suggestions?

[astral dagger]

g203

[lime wyvern]

wtf is this

[frank compass]

g203

[astral dagger]

when you do 2 dollar signs

triggers the bot

[raw fox]

Viper mini?

[frank compass]

Viper mini is $60

i think

[astral dagger]

viper mini or g203 best you can get

[frank compass]

if you dont like g305 shape

dont buy g203

[raw fox]

Its 40us on razer's store

[frank compass]

oh shit

then yea

Viper Mini

[astral dagger]

like 50

with shipping

i thnk

[frank compass]

I get my paracord for S2 tmrw

[raw fox]

I want to try an ul2 but my wallet disagrees

[lime wyvern]

The Viper mini is wireless right?

[frank compass]

I do not like my UL2

no

[raw fox]

Nope

[frank compass]

mini is wired

they should make a WL version

but then again

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral dagger]

You should give me your ul2 😏

[frank compass]

its not worth enough to resell

like

I considered selling it

until I saw what it was going for

[lime wyvern]

He didn't say sell lol

[frank compass]

ik

Im js

[astral dagger]

One of my friends was going to give me his ul2 becuase he spray painted it green but it was brown paint and then he tried to sand it off but only half did it

So it looks like someone shat on it

[frank compass]

LOL

[lime wyvern]

🧠

[frank compass]

last i saw

UL2 sold for $130ish

it was $100 on release if i remember correctly

so selling with shipping would be like

$15-$20 profit

shit bot

[astral dagger]

People really do be trying to sell it for like 250 on amazon

[frank compass]

idk I check the ebay listings

maybe amazon would be better for selling it

[raw fox]

Also trying out a g303 would be fun

[frank compass]

g302 has one of my fav shapes

[raw fox]

Channel your inner Literally insane player

[frank compass]

like

i rlly like the diamondback

g303s were like $300-400 last I saw

cause ppl are obsessed w shroud and he used one forever

[raw fox]

Now hes in the gpw gang

[frank compass]

yea

so the price mightve dropped a little

but since discontinued

still inflated as fuck

[raw fox]

I found 4 for 65+shipping so its gotten better

[frank compass]

damn

thats solid actually

$404 on amazon and $589 on newegg

LOL

[raw fox]

But then i gotta paracord and glide

[frank compass]

paracord is like $20

glides are prob $6-$10

I HATE THIS FUCKING BOT

[astral dagger]

can someone please look at what i wrote for the recoil stuff so far

dont wanna fuck up the beginning

before i continue

[frank compass]

is it the part

under weapon attachments?

looks fine

[astral dagger]

befqre

with the picture

[frank compass]

yea

it looks fine

[surreal cosmos]

whats the difference between voxTS patTS devTS

[noble belfry]

they all have different bots

and movements

A lot is different to be honest

[surreal cosmos]

They mostly feel the same lol

[vivid jolt]

Target switching has little variation.

But they're all pretty good.

[night radish]

@lime wyvern how big are your hands

Xm1 and viper mini goated rn

[lime wyvern]

idk

[night radish]

Measure them lolol

Watch rocket jump ninja

[noble belfry]

Viper mini is goated

I kind want to try the regular viper too because it should technically be better for ftip

[night radish]

Just dont get the haiti

No, why would it be better for ftip?

Smaller mice are better for f tip

[noble belfry]

its lower

and the hump is more central slightly

[night radish]

Hm

[night radish]

I know what ypure talkin about

[noble belfry]

just nice for me to see visuals

I don't think my interest in trying it is worth the €80 investment though

maybe if it goes cheap I'll try

[raw fox]

the fact that there are closet cheater champs in a casual match with the same people who are silver 2 0.8 kd makes me want to uninstall

[frank compass]

LOL

how long till BP is over buck

[raw fox]

next week i think

[raw fox]

please for the love of god let there be a pro player on the other team and not a closet cheater

[vivid jolt]

Casual

Thank you, Ubisoft. Who the fuck asked for this?

[noble belfry]

Well me of course because I really care that it is infact a current dev with the skin and not someone that has previously represented ubisoft

Weirdest decision

probably worse then taking grenades off buck and thats saying something

[frank compass]

https://twitter.com/aljobtw/status/1251193891744858114?s=21

alex🥀 (@aljobtw)

@wavyyr6 "Players who see a dev charm + skin in game have certain expectations that this is an employee from Ubisoft and has ties to the current game team."

I'll keep this in mind next time I see a level 38 speedhacking and wallbanging everyone from spawn :D

Twitter

Truly a good use of time

[raw fox]

not gonna waste my time in elo hell

30 minute games for less bp points

[frank compass]

lolol

[astral dagger]

Whats bp

[frank compass]

battlepass

[astral dagger]

Idk about the dev skin thing

Unless you're into the game a lot you probably won't be recognising the skin

I see it as a reward for contributing to the game

[frank compass]

its a very pointless thing to be doing

[astral dagger]

Not a label clearly marking you as a dev

[frank compass]

I agree

not that it matters

because every time I see a dev skin

Im getting 1 tapped in spawn

by a guy who just tp'd on top of me

[astral dagger]

Hackers aren't a big issue for me since when I do play them it's rare and they are banned within the day, it's just a waste of time

[frank compass]

you are so lucky

like I cant explain to you how much i wish that was the case

[ocean jewel]

tbh

i think i've only ran into a maybe 3 closet cheaters?

I haven't ran into any actual raging ones

must be lucky

[frank compass]

Ive been rolled back 300 elo this season, played 10-12 separate games with blantants in high plat on NA

I was given 24 elo

for a game I lost 95 in

[astral dagger]

I've played no cheaters with 40~ games on my smurf and 70~ games on my main both at diamond elo

No rollback either

[frank compass]

NA is truly the WORST when it comes to hackers

[astral dagger]

I'm only plat 2 on na but I've also played no cheaters when I play na

I guess I'm lucky

Only 15 games played on na tho

[ocean jewel]

But atleast its not on csgo's level

of cheaters lol

[astral dagger]

Cus it's not f2p

[ocean jewel]

Yeah

[frank compass]

You play WUS

right mini?

if you play NA

[astral dagger]

Idk I just have my friend change server cus idk how to

[frank compass]

you prob play WUS since that would be the only one w bearable ping

[astral dagger]

I get like 200~ms

[frank compass]

WUS is mostly wja players and some closets or stacks that dont want to play EUS

yea ok def WUS then cause my ANZ friend gets 230 to WUS

and like 300+ to CUS