siege

[frank compass]

is ur acog or 1x?

[analog halo]

Acog

[mental snow]

omg

[frank compass]

oh

thats high

[mental snow]

ur sens is so high

[frank compass]

super

high

jesus

[analog halo]

Yeah, I got used to after I switched from slow

[frank compass]

2-2-30 800dpi goated sens

hehe

[astral dagger]

I'm 34cm with 84 ads

[frank compass]

im gonna keep saying that till someone tries it

i think im 32.5 hip and 53.83 holo

92 acog or so

[mental snow]

even on a shidenkai that would be miserable

[frank compass]

iirc

[mental snow]

kripps who used to be a goated ash player plays 5-5-45

400

[astral dagger]

I could easily go much higher maybe 24cm even and still have my accuracy

[frank compass]

he played 7-7-43 towards the end of his career

[astral dagger]

Higher sens is so much better for r6

[frank compass]

on 400

I remember because thats when I stopped doing the pro settings spreadsheet

[mental snow]

i know that cause i asked him when i was playing ranked with him

like 2 weeks before he left chaos

always 60fov 169 tho xd

[astral dagger]

I tried out shaiikos sensitivity for a month and honestly it sucks ass

Idk how he plays like that

[analog halo]

Try Wokka.

I used it a while ago it was nice

[frank compass]

yea the fact Kripps used 60 fov is gross

[astral dagger]

I've tried many different sens but 34cm 83ads is the best ive tried

[analog halo]

True

[astral dagger]

90 fov 16:10

[frank compass]

I like my weird multipliers :>

Brad Hickey always calls me a retard for them tho

the best resolution for siege is still a mystery to me

but thats mostly because I play horribly on 4:3

[astral dagger]

There is no best resolution or fov

[frank compass]

nope

[astral dagger]

That shits all a meme imo

[frank compass]

there is always a definitive best

no meme here

there is a definitive best everything

best sens, best res, best socks to wear

[astral dagger]

I play the exact same on any common fov and any aspect ratio

It's all just preference

[frank compass]

preference is a myth

unlike muscle memory

!!!

wait

i fucked that up

[astral dagger]

[frank compass]

fixed!

[astral dagger]

I prefer my settings

I don't see how that's a myth

[frank compass]

:<

idek what im doing anymore

[normal bloom]

74/75 is the goated ads

[frank compass]

60-70 is the goated ads

[solid rampart]

I was just accused of cheating in ranked because I prefired a guy like 3 times

he was buck and always was blowing open walls being mad loud lol

[astral dagger]

6-6-63-800dpi 4:3 80fov model o with paracord and soon aqua control + pad :))

[frank compass]

happens

[solid rampart]

it was just funny to me

[frank compass]

4-4-33 800dpi (0.030718 multiplier / 0.030461 XFactor) 16:10 86fov zowie fk with paracord and hyperglides and artisan zero soft

:))

[solid rampart]

5-5-83 800dpi 16:10 86fov zowie divina s2 with hyperglides

Only reason I use 83 is because all other games I play my ads is also 1:1

[astral dagger]

@solid rampart i use to play that sens 40cm was nice

i played 400dpi tho 10-83

[solid rampart]

I played 400 as well

I just recently switched to 800

[astral dagger]

i feel uncomfortable with some parts of my mouse pad if that makes sense

[solid rampart]

I should be playing 11 bc 40 cm is a little slow but I can’t without switching dpi

[astral dagger]

like if i move my arm bottom left of my bad it feels strange

[frank compass]

theres a way to fix that

[astral dagger]

multipliers

[frank compass]

play speed training and dont reset your mouse

no i meant the being uncomfortable with parts of your mousepad

[astral dagger]

ye doing that now

ye ik was talking to other guy

about playing 11

[frank compass]

oooh

i misread

[astral dagger]

@solid rampart change multiplier to 0.002 and play 55

it'll be same as playing 5.5

[frank compass]

or just go to 400dpi

[astral dagger]

then you can play 800

[frank compass]

either are viable

[astral dagger]

ye

[solid rampart]

I dont want to have to switch dpi per game yk

but I might

[astral dagger]

copying beaulo sens are we haha just with 800dpi??

[frank compass]

multipliers are the best :)

[astral dagger]

ye easy fix

[frank compass]

My multipliers are the best of all

:D

[astral dagger]

4-4-33 800dpi (0.030718 multiplier / 0.030461 XFactor) 16:10 86fov zowie fk with paracord and hyperglides and artisan zero soft
:))

nice settings

[frank compass]

I literally calculate multipliers around the number 4 for my hip and an ads value in teh 30s

its 32.5 and 53.83

lol

[astral dagger]

you got my dream pad ahaha

[frank compass]

I also have a hein soft :>

[solid rampart]

@astral dagger no it wasnt meant to copy beaulo

[frank compass]

I might get my hein out to do my tracking benchmark tmrw

[astral dagger]

and zowie fk solid mouse i got the model o just a lighter fk]

[solid rampart]

just is a 360 on my mouse pad

[frank compass]

Model o- shape feels slightly weird

compared to fk2 for me

[astral dagger]

i got model 0 not - wish i had -

[frank compass]

so my model o- is sitting in its box :>

yea

ik

I was just saying

I wanna try an S2

[astral dagger]

i paracorded mine with a blue camo paracord and i have the rgb set to blue

[frank compass]

but I lack spare funds in this economy :<

[astral dagger]

haha i wanna try za13

and a ul2

[frank compass]

UL2 is nice

[astral dagger]

just to try them

i kinda like small mice

[frank compass]

I was originally never gonna use my ul2

and just sell it a year later

[astral dagger]

might try a hati or gpw

[frank compass]

but I tried it out of peer pressure

really good mouse

[astral dagger]

ye

just rare and expensive niw

now*

[frank compass]

also not worth the price

locked at 500hz

idk what its selling for rn

wow

only like

[astral dagger]

btw i'm playing close standstill flick 360 without re centring my mouse that should help my issue right?

[frank compass]

$130-35

I usually do Tile Frenzy 360 Strafing 400Prct Tracking

[astral dagger]

or would a more vertical map help as well for corners of the pad

[frank compass]

you can try Jumbo Tile Frenzy Flick 180 with half sens 130 FOV

I do think Tile Frenzy 360 Strafing 400prct tracking with 130fov and normal sens works wonders for that issue tho

[astral dagger]

ty will try it out

ul2 with paracord and matching scroll wheel colour looks so nice

pink paracord and scroll or teal para and scroll

[frank compass]

I wanna sand the buttons on my fk2 down

[astral dagger]

mhh\

[frank compass]

cause i saw someone do it for lighter clicks

and if it actually works thats a good idea

[astral dagger]

give it a go haha

[solid rampart]

I sanded the gloss off of my s1

[frank compass]

i hate how whenever you look up fk2 mod

its always abt the wireless mods

[solid rampart]

what barrel is best on ela

[frank compass]

I wanna say comp

But i need to check what im running again

Its either comp/vert of flash/vert

Cant remember since they changed recoil again this patch

[solid rampart]

same

dont think they shouldve

[frank compass]

The gadget is dumb

The gun was fine last patch

[solid rampart]

facts

[astral dagger]

hey i'm gonna send 2 thunt clips can you tell me how my movement is if you think its bad good or insane etc

personally i think i got good movement really good tbh not to sound cocky

[frank compass]

Ye

If u have any montages ill also watch those

Pretty bored rn

[astral dagger]

also what about crosshair placement been working on it a lot

i'll send 2 thunt clips now

https://streamable.com/9auf6u

https://streamable.com/ozqszc

if you have anything i can improve on lmk

[frank compass]

Im not the right guy to ask for xhair placement cause mine is bad

[astral dagger]

only got 400hours so trying to get better

[frank compass]

But movement im generally good at

[astral dagger]

check the 2 link lmk what you think

[frank compass]

Lemme get back to my pc

cause mobile wont flip horizontally

[astral dagger]

@vivid jolt what do you think about my movement and crosshair placement anything i can improve on?

[frank compass]

And watching vertical is aids

[astral dagger]

ok haha

[frank compass]

First clip:
you peek the long hallway oddly
you also rounded the door into blue bar weirdly but eh you were also mid reload so it can slide

second clip:
you lean unnecessarily a lot
your leaning is pretty smooth
if you were actually trying to clear aqua/billiards as if you were playing real players instead of bots, you leaned the wrong way a couple times

Your xhair placement is fine, I can tell its neck height because you keep making micro flicks up to head

its not head level tho

[astral dagger]

ah ok i can show a clip of me actually trying thunt like it's a game if you want

i'll just do a quick 1 min clip playing like i would if it was online 2mins

[frank compass]

ill watch it sure

I dont really see the point of thunting if you dont clear as if you normally would

cause thunt isnt great for aiming

its an ok warmup tool for recoil and movement

nothing else tho rlly

imo

[astral dagger]

i use it to warm up my aim flicks etc so i just rush and peak dumbly to get into multiple gun fights at once i put myself in bad situations for high pressure situations online

this is more of a aim clip then movement but what you think about my leaning? i'm uploading the thunt clip now btw it's about 2mins long

https://streamable.com/czsq47

@frank compass

[frank compass]

you lean the wrong way with the first pistol shot

theres an unnecessary lean in the hallway right before

the movement is fine

Im just very big on removing unnecessary movement because it keeps aim as steady as possible

which is one of the reasons I really liked hold lean

[astral dagger]

the pistol clip i used the lean to help aim cos i swung far out

i do it a lot to get my aim on the head if i over flick etc

or swing to much

[frank compass]

correcting with mouse is a better habit to get into than trying to correct with leaning

its just better habit building down the line

[astral dagger]

ye

ok 1sec thunt is nearly uploaded

[woeful galleon]

i correct with leaning oof

[frank compass]

A lot of ppl do

[astral dagger]

https://streamable.com/24u9sv

@frank compass

[frank compass]

you clear a lot of angles very quickly

the movement is good

but on kitchen for example

you clear like 2 default angles in such a small amount of time that had there been someone holding it you wouldnt have been able to hit them

because you wouldve already been past

although ill give benefit of the doubt that its a sped up version of how youd usually clear

[astral dagger]

ty sir

[frank compass]

when you were in vase you peeked right to kill the guy pink door

[astral dagger]

i'll work on my angle clearing more

[frank compass]

instead of peeking left between the vase

[astral dagger]

ye

[woeful galleon]

damn gotta go fast

[frank compass]

thats something I wouldve done differently

your leaning is very smooth tho

[astral dagger]

ah i see

ty sir

i know what to work on now

[frank compass]

I have a kafe clear I just recorded, the movement is a little slow because I havent played in 3 days

[astral dagger]

and ye i've always been a fast player people think i'm on super high sens all the time cos of it

[frank compass]

but Ill post it

[astral dagger]

ok

[frank compass]

when it finishes processing

yea if i had just watched that

I wouldve assumed like

7/8 on 800 with 60-83 ads

[astral dagger]

6-63-800dpi

[frank compass]

ye

its just fast

is what im saying

[astral dagger]

44cm holo 33hip 75acog

[frank compass]

which isnt a bad thing

[astral dagger]

use to be really fast on 5-5-83-400dpi to

[frank compass]

LOL

[astral dagger]

back when i played that haha

[frank compass]

that sens was fun until you realize low sens suck

low hip sens*

[astral dagger]

ye i just like being in the 40-60cm range good accuracy and fast flicks etc

my play style fits that range more fast flicky play style

once i get my aim dialled in i think my speed will help a lot in gun fights

[frank compass]

Once I rediscover a playstyle that works for me ill be decent again :>

https://streamable.com/8f20x0

[astral dagger]

wtaching now

[frank compass]

my jiggle peeking was bad

but generally I think thats the ideal way to clear most corners in the game

[solid rampart]

you guys make me feel trash lmao

[astral dagger]

your movement is so smooth and nice

the way you track the corners of doors and walls as you peak is something i need work on

[frank compass]

you shouldve seen me on hold lean a week or two ago

cause I think my movements look really rigid rn

but alas

[astral dagger]

we have like opposite play styles you're slow and smooth and I'm like fast and aggressive

[frank compass]

toggle is superior

yea Im a flex player for the most part

and I never had that tick to play fast and aggressive

[astral dagger]

i need work on my angle clearing the way you sweep a room is perfect

[solid rampart]

Im hot trash compared to you guys, would yall be down to critique me?

[coarse vale]

GG @solid rampart, you just advanced to level 6 !

[astral dagger]

what's your sens look quite slow

[frank compass]

53cm ads

32 cm hip

it did feel kinda slow

idk why

[astral dagger]

not to slow then very good range tbh

[frank compass]

I like how I dont see the terrorist sitting stage

im so fucking blind

[astral dagger]

i have 400hours and been in plat 3 seasons now i was close to plat 2 this season 1 game away but i hit plat 3 on 150-200hours so I'm quite happy with my progress so far need more hours to improve and hopefully by 1k i'll be higher plat maybe diamond

what's your region?

apac?

or na

[frank compass]

Im NA

[astral dagger]

700hours

damn

i'm 400 overall including thunt and cas

[frank compass]

yea

Ive been on pc since op health

[solid rampart]

@frank compass would you be willing to critique a terro I do? I'm nowhere near as good as you guys

[frank compass]

I took a lot of breaks during Y4 so Im behind where I should be skill wise

@solid rampart yea i got nothing else to do rn

[astral dagger]

even tho we have very diffrent play styles i can learn from the way you sweep a room and clear angles you minimize the amount of angles you can be shot from which i do badly

[frank compass]

yea I also have another 80ish hours on my alt

and then maybe 400ish from xbox

so I have a lot of hours at this point

i definitely practiced incorrectly for the first 2ish years while playing tho

[raw fox]

offering budget offbrand aldi aim review for r6. will say just play 1w6ts and call ur aim dogshit in a misleading way

[frank compass]

oooh

I like that offer

[raw fox]

🙂

[astral dagger]

BOUT TO HIT UP THE SOLO QUE

3AM UK TIME SOLO GONNA BE SSOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUN

:(((

[frank compass]

id say Id come play

but ping ass

and also i feel really slow rn

not sure why

[astral dagger]

i get that feeling sometimes

like your brain and arm is lagging

and you can't do the movements you want

[frank compass]

I think it was the 5-6 hours of kovaaks i did today

kinda draining

[astral dagger]

i hate plat3 so shit all high sens egotistical fucks

[frank compass]

I love watching someone play

and instantly being able to tell the sens theyre running is too high/low

its my favorite solo q minigame

[astral dagger]

mad pixel skipping and jumpy tracking

dead give aways

[frank compass]

ah

im noticing my arm is not being positioned correctly

I think this is why my sens feels slow as fuck rn

[night radish]

def preferred watching alja's vs contuurs

contuurs made me wanna puke lol

[astral dagger]

ouch

harsh words

no need

[frank compass]

LOL

I drone a shit ton in real game

[astral dagger]

just not fast enough to handle the speed

[frank compass]

so my clearing doesnt look like that most of the time

and usually it would be faster cause if I am clearing like that its because there isnt info and I need to go fast

but nowhere near as quickly as contuur

thats actually insane to me

[astral dagger]

every ms counts in siege

1shot hs an all

[frank compass]

that is true

since the majority of guns ttd is less than 300ms

[astral dagger]

beaulo moves fast like me tbh

he has similar play style

[frank compass]

most players who move like u use hold lean

lol

[astral dagger]

@night radish was that your way of calling me trash or just a joke?

confused about your context haha

[night radish]

not callin you trash you just move hella fast

[astral dagger]

ah i see hahah

ye thats my play style

fast player

[frank compass]

Trading w terrorists is the worst

[vivid jolt]

@astral dagger No point discussing crosshair placement in THunt where the whole point is just to move the most.

[frank compass]

:<

Toast how get better xhair placement

mine suck

[vivid jolt]

Aim head.

[frank compass]

:<

[vivid jolt]

AIM HEAD.

[frank compass]

[night radish]

Your crosshair placement is great @frank compass

At least in that t hunt

[frank compass]

I lost plenty of gunfights in ranked that makes me think its bad

idk

maybe valorant improved it

[night radish]

If you use the crosshair placement in that t hunt vid i dont see it being an issue

Id say yours is probably a C hair better than mine

[normal bloom]

https://youtu.be/9suLr5YYg3Y

16:9 is beaut

[frank compass]

ur anz?

or is this someone else

also yea 16:9 is smooth

and flicks look the best on it

[normal bloom]

someone else but im also anz

AVC vs HEVC?

[frank compass]

huh

[normal bloom]

screencap setting

[frank compass]

oh

nvm theyre both CPU bound encoders

youre better off asking in #tech

but probably hevc if youre using it to record siege based off the little I just read :)

avc/h264 (in my experience) didn't play well with siege

[inland lark]

Do u guys just thunt by rushing the whole map or by checking angles playing slowly ?

[frank compass]

depends

if Im playing house the former

if Im playing comp maps the latter

I switch depending on how Im feeling

[inland lark]

Ah i see

[frank compass]

clearing angles in thunt is a good way to practice it

its also a good way to figure out the movement patterns you should do for optimal clearing

[inland lark]

Ye i need to try that later

All ive been doin is rushing in

[frank compass]

running through thunts is a good way to get your hands warmed up and practice recoil

I dont play nearly as much thunt as I used to

[inland lark]

Ah so i would say its good to do both?

[frank compass]

but I used to only rush and I dont think its the best way to practice

because it doesnt really do much for you once you have a pretty good grasp on movement

[inland lark]

Pretty much explains my thunt w/l lol

There was once ive watched darkzero's aim routine by hotancold i think and how he did thunt was by clearing angles i think

I tried it after that it kind improved a bit for me but the next few days i went back to rushing in thunts :(

@frank compass ive this bad habit of spam leaning alot unnecessarily especially with pistol just to dodge bullets(dek whether it works) do u think hold lean can change?

[frank compass]

spam leaning is pointless

Hold lean will def get you to stop spam leaning

but its difficult to learn

[inland lark]

I keep doing it subconsciously

[normal bloom]

practicing angles is more useful than rushing imo

[inland lark]

Then after eveything i would be like oh shit i did it again

[frank compass]

and hold lean isnt as practical as toggle

yea no its just something you have to pay attention for

its easier to aim when your xhair is straight and not tilted

spam leaning can actually be a detriment in some gunfights

[inland lark]

Tilted as in when u lean the crosshair kind tilts?

[frank compass]

yes

at least in my case

I aim better when my crosshair isnt slanted/tilted

which is why when I played hold lean I always let go of my lean key when I was in a gunfight

lemme see if I can find an example

[normal bloom]

spoit

does that a lot

[frank compass]

that would be a good one

he uses hold lean

some toggle players will also unlean by repressing their key in gunfights

I noticed Fultz did it a lot in PL the other night

[inland lark]

Same i just realised

In my thunt esp acog i just unlean all the time

If not i will have to q q / e e to lean and unlean

Idk i think i should try hold lean get a feel

[frank compass]

you can try hold lean

[coarse vale]

GG @frank compass, you just advanced to level 18 !

[frank compass]

the problem is the hand movements are very difficult if you want to be proficient with it

its a lot of shifting

its not actually difficult its just hard to do consistently when your starting out and requires some thinking until you get 100% comfortable with it

and thinking about movement while also trying to aim can (maybe) throw you off

[inland lark]

Ill try in thunt first

[normal bloom]

anyone tried toggle aim?

[frank compass]

many times

hold is better

[normal bloom]

good?

[frank compass]

Its not bad

It suites a passive playstyle well

but youll have to adjust to aiming without the pressure on m2 all the time

which is actually something that can affect ur aim

[normal bloom]

yeah ive heard of quake players shooting and adsing with keys

[frank compass]

Pengu played it for 4(?) years and switched to Hold and said Hold is better

uh

some quake pros ads'd with like spacebar or one of the thumb keys

but most of the ones who did that moved forward with m2

the vast majority of quake pros ads with m2

or at least the ones I can readily think of

[normal bloom]

strange

[frank compass]

Mentalist has a very efficient key setup

[normal bloom]

youd leave all binds that youd use during a gunfight off the mouse

to not effect aim

[frank compass]

when I say thumb buttons

I meant like X-b

on the kb

[normal bloom]

but to have movement with mouse

[frank compass]

not the mouse, i phrased that poorly

there are siege pros who lean on mouse buttons tho

Rampy is the most notable one I can think of

Geo used to aswell, but Im not sure if he still does

[normal bloom]

thats awful imo

[frank compass]

yea

i tried it

[normal bloom]

unless youve got really soft clicks

[frank compass]

i prefer to keep movement to one hand only

[normal bloom]

yeah

[frank compass]

les variation on mouse pressure aswell

which isnt a huge deal

but still

[normal bloom]

with my old fk1 the side buttons were firm as and would move the mouse when used

[frank compass]

hmm

my fk2 side buttons are pretty good

scroll sucks, clicks arent as light as id like

but best shape for me

[normal bloom]

yeah ive got a mm710 now. its good for the price but uncomfortably big for me

because of the palm hump

[frank compass]

im tempted to say try the model o but im not a fan of mine so i cant recommend it to others

[normal bloom]

tried a gpro wireless?

[frank compass]

yep

mine doesnt double click

its a good mouse

I just like the fk2 marginally more because of weight and shape

[normal bloom]

looks like a nice shape

[frank compass]

I pref the Viper Ult over the gpw

but thats mostly due to how I can grip each

[normal bloom]

yeah looks pretty good

what do you think of the zowie s series?

[frank compass]

I wanna try an S2

I havent had a chance yet

only Zowies Ive used are fk1/2

not a fan of ergo and the za's shape looked uncomfortable for the way i grip

lemme get the list of mice ive used/have

Razer Deathadder | Zowie Fk1 | SteelSeries Sensei 310 | SteelSeries Rival 600 | Logitech G403 | Logitech G302 | FinalMouse Ultralight | Logitech GPro Wireless | Zowie Fk2 | Logitech G203 | FinalMouse Ultralight 2 | Glorious Model O- | Razer Viper Ultimate

[normal bloom]

what were the ss mice like?

[frank compass]

Sensei 310 was awful

[normal bloom]

laser one yeah?

[frank compass]

no its an optical

it was one of the newer ones

[normal bloom]

ah i remember rela playing with a laser ss

[frank compass]

the plastic sides are just bad and the material is cheap

Id love to get an original Sensei or Kinzu to try

i dont think id use one tho

Rival 600 was pretty good tho

its ergo tho so not my style for long term

[normal bloom]

yeah idk ambi just feels nice

[frank compass]

ergo forces palm

and I fingertip/claw

[normal bloom]

does your palm touch the mouse when you claw?

[frank compass]

sometimes

depends on how far I pull the mouse in with my fingertips

[normal bloom]

claw feels like a more reactive grip

like clicking is more ergo

[frank compass]

when i use my wrist

I mostly claw

but most of the time I just use my fingertips

when I use my arm/wrist together my palm isnt on my mouse

idk what I do when I track

id say id pay attention but then i probably wouldnt grip naturally

[normal bloom]

thoughts on using ring finger for m2 and middle on scroll wheel

[frank compass]

I used to 1-3-1

I dont think theres any benefit to it over regular 1-2-2

Except I guess you can use scroll wheel more readily

the only person I can think of who uses that in Siege is nvk

not sure if anyone else does

[normal bloom]

i remember some cs players having really odd grips

[frank compass]

Twistzz grip is my favorite

[normal bloom]

lol

brax

[frank compass]

Brax's isnt that weird

iirc

its just index finger clawed and ring finger straight

or was it the other way around

oh

thats worse than I remember

what the fuck

[normal bloom]

yeah haha

[frank compass]

https://youtu.be/Tee3vOmSBN4

Mentalist is a good player to learn from

my favorite apac player as well now that Wokka has retired

[normal bloom]

do you think there is much mechanical difference between regions?

[coarse vale]

GG @normal bloom, you just advanced to level 11 !

[frank compass]

LATAM and Japan are usually considered the best mechanically

SEAS, NA, ANZ, and EU are all pretty on par now

mechanically

KR is hard to speak about

[normal bloom]

yeah was just watching KR

[frank compass]

it really only has C9 in terms of competition and I havent watched them a lot

so mechnically i cant talk abt the sub region

H3dy used to have really good mechanics

but I havent watched him play for like a year and a half now

so Im not sure if hes kept up

[normal bloom]

wonder what the ranked stars are like for apac

[frank compass]

Mentalist was

SEAS ranked god

[normal bloom]

anz has a lot of qe spammers

[frank compass]

wja had a lot of cheaters last i played it

i still have a guy on my friends list nicknamed "some asian guy"

because he could speak some english when I was on wja and he talked to me in game chat

it was great

[normal bloom]

lol so good

https://gfycat.com/enlightenedampleantlion

https://gfycat.com/slipperysardonicfrenchbulldog

[dawn coyote]

this dude crouching like its minecraft

[frank compass]

wtf

how old is that clip lmaooo

thats gotta be Wind Bastion right?

cause of the killcam bug and crouch spam

[normal bloom]

idk not my clip but was 2018 im pre sure

[vivid jolt]

Classic.

[inland lark]

Xddd

2018 times

Back when i just started the game

[frank compass]

2018

th elast time perspective wasnt aids

[normal bloom]

heres an idea

leaning with keyboard thumb

[frank compass]

CV leaning is weird

also I crouch with C and the only other viable alternative for crouching if CV are your leans is to use CTRL but then idk where to put prone

Doki and a few others use CV leaning tho

[normal bloom]

could crouch with b

[frank compass]

then you cant crouch and lean

or if youre using hold lean you cant crouch while holding an angle

its inefficient

[normal bloom]

ye didnt think of that

[frank compass]

could use a mouse button

for prone

and crouch on ctrl

[normal bloom]

yeah

[frank compass]

or prone on X

but I feel like if you wanted to do that

you should start out with that keybind setup

otherwise readjusting from default would be very hard

kinda like going WASD to ESDF except a much larger pain in the ass

[normal bloom]

very true

what was mentalists binds?

[frank compass]

ESDF and iirc correctly AZ leaning

everything else was shifted over one key right

[inland lark]

Im not sure but there was a livestream of him showing how he plays on his kb with his keyboard cam

[frank compass]

yea theres def a clip somewhere

thats what I remember

i might be slightly off

but he did play ESDF

[inland lark]

Thats how he does it from when he was young is it

[frank compass]

yea

[normal bloom]

i remember seeing somewhere someone who played with their keyboard vertical

[frank compass]

there are pros who play at basically a 90 deg kb tilt

[normal bloom]

ye i meant like rotated 90 deg counterclockwise

[frank compass]

I havent seen one rotated counter clockwise

[normal bloom]

mightve just been a shitpost on reddit

[inland lark]

Lol

[vivid jolt]

A guy in my squad uses CV hold lean.

He says it's the way.

[astral dagger]

I know people who use hold lean with side mouse buttons

Sounds very stupid

[vivid jolt]

My side buttons stay on Reload and Sprint in every game no exception.

[inland lark]

I dont even utilise them

What should i bind them to

[astral dagger]

side buttons are terrible imo

hate using them

I have mine on prone

But I don't use them for any other game

[vivid jolt]

IMO your mouse's side buttons should never be bound to something that is relied upon to be precisely timed.

Things like leaning as mentioned.

Things like reloading are done out-of-situation and can be cancelled. Also sprinting is mundane similarly, hence why I use them as side buttons while never having to take my fingers off my movements keys.

[velvet fern]

I use it for pushing to talk. Pretty convenient for when im holding an angle and trying to call out.

[lime wyvern]

I have two side buttons. The bottom is bound to secondary gadget and the top is bound to knife. I don't really use them since I didn't have side buttons when I first started.

[noble belfry]

I try to always have my side buttons be something I will never have to use when aiming

I used to use push to talk, but moved it off because when talking and having to aim it'd always be off

[tepid cosmos]

side buttons for push to talk and util

Nitro cell on mouse button 💯

[astral dagger]

i wish mouse buttons werent popular

i like gripping my thumb where my mouse buttons are

same

annoying feature

[limpid bridge]

Is siege worth buying as a new player?

[astral dagger]

is any competetive game worth buying?

yes if it looks fun to you

[gleaming furnace]

how important is target switching for siege ?

[normal bloom]

if you know the maps and how to clear angles, not very

[limpid bridge]

@astral dagger Any issue with cheats?

[warm girder]

I don't think there are many that cheaters below platinum matchmaking

[coarse vale]

GG @warm girder, you just advanced to level 3 !

[lime wyvern]

@vivid jolt You said 120fov isn't competitive. What is competitive for kovaaks? Just curious

[vivid jolt]

Excluding the reasonings why competitiveness in Kovaak's is irrelevant to Siege, I think ~100hFOV is optimal.

[lime wyvern]

Yeah just curious

[vivid jolt]

Most Kovaak one tricks I see all use around 100hFOV as well. ~18% bigger targets compared to 90vFOV but still big enough to have peripherals in a scenario.

[latent blade]

that's surprising

[noble belfry]

unless target switch then it normally gets cranked up it seems, well at least from hs vids

[vivid jolt]

@gleaming furnace It's my belief that Target Switching is the most valuable style to practice for any low TTK game, Siege included. Even moreso than click-timing. Reason being that if you're target switching at a high level, then you're snapping just as fast as you would in a click-timing scenario but also training to stay onto that moving target. That's of course what you'd do in a practical situation-- snap and spray.

(but of course don't neglect click timing.. train everything always)

[inland lark]

What doess ttk stand for?

[coarse vale]

GG @inland lark, you just advanced to level 9 !

[lime wyvern]

time to kill

[inland lark]

Oh

[lime wyvern]

Siege is low ttk because people die in like less than a second vs like apex and those sorts of games

[inland lark]

Today i tried playing kovaaks for an hour, played siege 3hrs after kovaaks and i dont feel the aim i had compared to when i play r6 right after training in kovaaks
Is it normal?

[night radish]

Yes

Youre also overthinking it

And mouse buttons on vault and slow walk over here boyos lol space bar is crouch hoooweeee

@frank compass what size are your hands? I have 18x10 and the S2 fit like a glove. But XM1 and viper mini are goated. Best mice by far

For me

[raw fox]

my peanut brain just sparked a thought: why cant we have advanced grenade options(pulling it out but not taking out the pin)

[inland lark]

@night radish wdym overthink?

[night radish]

your performance is more than likely going to vary day to day

and there is no "one right way" or "one right answer"

[outer forum]

i have the same problem renzlre

[coarse vale]

GG @outer forum, you just advanced to level 2 !

[outer forum]

i cant kill anyone now x

d

[gleaming furnace]

@vivid jolt well i am at silver level (sparky benchmarks) currently and my rank in siege is plat 1 so where do you think is it best to improve first ?

[night radish]

uhh?

thats a weird question secdot

[gleaming furnace]

i think i put it wrong
wait a second

[night radish]

if youre P1 in siege but a silver sparky aimer than you need to just play the scenarios more and youll exponentially improve

or you have insane game sense

[gleaming furnace]

i would say good game sense
but i am kinda lost with my aim
its not that bad but i think this is where i need to improve the most but i am kinda lost there

[night radish]

are you silver in all three categories?

[vivid jolt]

@raw fox Bucky you're thinking Year 7. I'ma need you to dial that back down to Year 5.

[gleaming furnace]

yes in every single one

hardly managed to get there 😄

[vivid jolt]

Then I believe you answered your own question.

Practice everything.

[gleaming furnace]

okey thank you :))

[vivid jolt]

We have a WIP list of scenarios that were voted better for Siege in the pins.

You can take a look at some of those for practical use.

[gleaming furnace]

ok thanks

[coarse vale]

GG @gleaming furnace, you just advanced to level 2 !

[vivid jolt]

Which, btw, if anyone still has scenario ideas that they think are universally great for Siege specifically, let them be known.

[lime wyvern]

6 Tile Jumbo Frenzy

https://prosettings.net/rainbow-6-pro-settings-gear-list/ This has a lot more people if anyone is interested

@vivid jolt can you add Jarvis to the list.
1,600dpi 0.00223multi 35v 35h 60ads

[vivid jolt]

I can but is Jarvis really a great aimer? I can if others would like him, sure.

Also prosettings doesn't update a lot of their pros. So I don't often trust it.

[lime wyvern]

Honestly not sure I just like to monitor him. But I thought you said the list was of people we are curious of not necessarily the best aimers

[vivid jolt]

True I did, but honestly I'd prefer to keep it to people who are somewhat noteworthy of their aim or fragging ability at least, not just random pros. As this is a mechanics server after all.

List would get too long if it were just any pros.

[frank compass]

Jarvis was considered a good aimer back in y1/2

Hes not anymore

@night radish 18.5x9 ish

[night radish]

yeah try the XM`

1

[frank compass]

How much does an xm1 cost

[raw fox]

60 usd

[frank compass]

pain

[latent blade]

viper

mini gang

[frank compass]

viper mini looks v good

[night radish]

its goated

you can find an old xm1 on r/mousemarket for like $30

[frank compass]

S2 then xm1

I should really try to sell some of my mice

[night radish]

or trade them

you need a paracord for both

[frank compass]

yea I would need to buy more paracords aswell

the only one I have I rewired to work for my fk2

[astral dagger]

Glorious model d

Best mouse I've ever used

[raw fox]

g pro has been the only main i couldnt replace so far

GPW*

[mental snow]

jarvis and chala are two players who used to have really good aim and have seemed to have fallen off

[ripe tree]

how can I improve my game sense in siege? i know one of the answers is watching pros, but that's not very true for getting out of silver because everyone plays for frags. how can I start playing better and finally escape silver?

[frank compass]

work on your movement

[ripe tree]

i have no idea what good movement looks like

[frank compass]

one sec

https://streamable.com/8f20x0

this was my example for Contuur

[ripe tree]

watching

[frank compass]

my movement is slightly rigid cause I hadnt been on for 3/4 days

but thats how you should clear corners and generally move around

Vladr has very good movement if you wanna look at his youtube (I think its connected to his discord)

[ripe tree]

i would agree with you on your whole room clearing strategy

but thats not very useful for silver because people just sit in corners proning waiting to get a frag-refrag

[frank compass]

The entire point of my movement in this clip

is to show how you can clear every angle of a room if you arent able to drone it

thats another thing

use your drones effectively

[ripe tree]

i usually save my drone after getting intel on whether or not they're spawnpeeking

[frank compass]

most low plats and under genuinely dont know how to drone properly

[ripe tree]

honestly i dont know how to drone too well

i don't know what TO drone and what NOT to drone

[frank compass]

you can drone anything

there isnt like a set list of things to and to not drone

[ripe tree]

no yeah i get that

but i dont want to drone something useless

[frank compass]

if you are entering a room

droning it isnt useless

just be efficient

[ripe tree]

also, how do I work on specifically improving my movement?

[frank compass]

thunt

[ripe tree]

gotcha

[frank compass]

best way

[coarse vale]

GG @ripe tree, you just advanced to level 5 !

[frank compass]

just load up maps that are in ranked

and go through them clearing as if you were in a real game

see how long it takes you to clear an entire map

[ripe tree]

its really hard to play siege atm because of my shitty monitor but once i get a new one i'll make sure to get on T Hunt

[frank compass]

make it as time efficient as possible

[ripe tree]

alright thank you so much

[frank compass]

practice jiggle peeking (even though you really wont use it much)

its a good way of just becoming more fluid with your controls and leaning

[ripe tree]

also, when people say watch pros; do they just mean watch games? like i watched the TSM vs EG match a few days ago

[frank compass]

dont lean spam

either watch the game and focus on specific players

or watch streams of pros

[ripe tree]

should i be watching anything in particular

[frank compass]

yes

[ripe tree]

ah yeah i was gonna find a player so i can see THEIR view

[frank compass]

you should be making mental notes of how they approach situations

[ripe tree]

like what specifically they are doing

mhm

[frank compass]

what they play and how they play it

[ripe tree]

alright will do

[frank compass]

angles they hold and the types of engagements they take

etc

[ripe tree]

brb give me a second

but thank you so much

[astral dagger]

got my aim and game sense back did good today top frag most games

quite happy with my performance hope i can stay consistent tho

[frank compass]

I havent played since sunday night/monday morning still other than that 1 thunt clip :>

I def feel like valorant has improved xhair placement tho

[normal bloom]

What do you think of hold lean to improve movement? Switching back to toggle after

[frank compass]

I do it like once a year

but I do it out of boredom

idk how much it actually improves your movement

I dont think mine has gotten better or worse after doing it

[normal bloom]

seems not worth it but idc

[frank compass]

its def not worth it

but its fun

[inland lark]

Because after the 3hr break i had no more "mouse feel" unlike when i just play siege after kovaaks i have it @night radish

[night radish]

ahh fair enough

[astral dagger]

https://streamable.com/esymvy

https://streamable.com/dk30he

https://streamable.com/4nk9al

[frank compass]

I saw one instance of excessive leaning

and the ash rush was just a bad play but you got a kill off of it

so it wasnt that bad

pretty good clips tho

[inland lark]

@outer forum no mouse feel as well?

[night radish]

currentlygetting ddos'd in an unranked lmaooooo

[frank compass]

nice

[raw fox]

lean spaming hurts to watch

[frank compass]

^

[solid rampart]

what barrel should I run on twitch, still comp?

[frank compass]

flash

or muzzle

[astral dagger]

badseed tech swears by the thor it's so shit

[frank compass]

huh

[raw fox]

i swear by the hien and my aim is better

[frank compass]

ok ok ok Buck

very important

actually 2 questions

do you have a Hein SOFT?

[raw fox]

is it about my fleshlight?

[frank compass]

or a Mid

[raw fox]

oh

[frank compass]

oh

[vivid jolt]

fasssstpaaaadsss..

[frank compass]

:<

[raw fox]

xsoft but supposed to be mid but the seller had a little ooop

still love it

[frank compass]

do you have a zero?

[raw fox]

thats how good it is

nope

[frank compass]

aw

[raw fox]

had a hayate otsu

[frank compass]

Im trying to decide btwn my hein and zero

[raw fox]

vladr swears by his zero and so does my apex duo

[frank compass]

cause switching gear takes effort

[raw fox]

so it gets a pass

[frank compass]

hmmm

I go back to zero

[raw fox]

the easiest way to tell if it works out is if your aim isnt dogshit in pubs

when swapped

[frank compass]

my aim is always dogshit in pubs :<

[raw fox]

you dont feel like ur at a disadvantage

[night radish]

this hien mid is fucking fire

[normal bloom]

anyone tried a glass pad?

[frank compass]

theres prob some people in here whove tried the shidenkai

if you consider that a glass pad

[normal bloom]

technically

im just curious, dont really want a glassy unless theyre amazing. i imagine them being earrape loud

would be horrid if youre sweating

[frank compass]

the best pads for siege are prob hein and zero

[normal bloom]

artisan sell mouse feet

[frank compass]

dont think so

I have hyperglides on my fk2

[normal bloom]

theyre on the mobile site under acc

[frank compass]

are they just teflon?

[warm girder]

my hien xsoft is goated can confirm

[normal bloom]

polyethylene and nylon

[frank compass]

I mean

I think youd be better off buying mouse specific hyperglides

if you wanted new mouse skates

[normal bloom]

ye was just mentioning them

[frank compass]

yea TIL

[normal bloom]

never heard of artisan skates

pre sure someone mentioned wall mounting their monitor yesterday

[frank compass]

Contuur

[normal bloom]

actually beast

[frank compass]

I think

monitor stands are goated

idk about wall mouting tho

[normal bloom]

ah the desk mount?

ye sick

[frank compass]

yee

[normal bloom]

imo prob one of the best investments for your setup

my xl2411 base takes up heaps of space on my pad

[frank compass]

ye

same

[astral dagger]

@raw fox how do micro adjustments feel on your xsoft?

mine feel a tiny bit sticky

im pretty sure there was a hacker in the other team as well

there was this lvl 20 guy who was just dropping 20 kills a map consistently

and i checked his main and hes hard stuck plat 3

who cheats in a scrim

[frank compass]

LMAO

ns tho

[outer forum]

@outer forum no mouse feel as well?
@inland lark kinda like that, i cant aim properly in ads, and just shitty spray

[inland lark]

well ye

[outer forum]

imma show youw ait

1200hours..

[inland lark]

ye thats me pretty much

no mouse feel

today is better for me but ib havent touched kovaaks yet just 30 min thunt

[frank compass]

Im still awake

you should try moving your mouse

instead of AD'ing to adjust aim

idk what the rest of this conversation is abt

also dont alt walk while peeking things

bad habit

[inland lark]

ive been doing that all the tim,e

time to change xDDD

@frank compass

Today i tried playing kovaaks for an hour, played siege 3hrs after kovaaks and i dont feel the aim i had compared to when i play r6 right after training in kovaaks
Is it normal?

[astral dagger]

having 70fps doesnt help

[inland lark]

lel

[frank compass]

Ill read that in a sec

But

https://twitter.com/sprwokka/status/1248749785755996161?s=21

ウォッカ / Wokka🦄 (@sprWokka)

HAHAHAHAHAHA https://t.co/JUs2acSjd6

Retweets

422

Likes

2984

▶ Play video

Twitter

Wokka is so fucking good

@inland lark i rarely use kvks to warm up for siege, it makes sense tho because you prob werent as warm as if u had just finished ur kvks

[inland lark]

yee

[frank compass]

Tht wokka clip making me wanna use 5:3 again

[inland lark]

wokka is a tier above asian

[frank compass]

His tracking aim in apex is also genuinely fantastic

Man is a god

[inland lark]

he has proven himself everywhere

his nades in r6 are good too

[inland lark]

How can i kick the habit of using ad to adjust

Do more small flicks in thunt?

[outer forum]

sorry im a little bit confused, what is using ad to adjust?

[inland lark]

I think he meant using movements to adjust aim

A = move left
D = move right
By default

[lime wyvern]

he?

[inland lark]

Aljo

[gleaming furnace]

I found this on reddit

what do you guys think ?

[outer forum]

oh now it makes sense thank you

[inland lark]

Its true

U get better at the game when u actually play the game more

Its like kovaaks uk the more u play the more likely u get better

U cant train r6 recoil in kovaaks

[normal bloom]

https://youtu.be/8B_vUV6076Q

nice example of a good raw aimer whos very average ingame

[lime wyvern]

what sens is that

hes super shaky

you don't have to answer

[normal bloom]

idk but hes a sparky master

[vivid jolt]

Fluvio (the reddit post) is right on everything except the "1%" thing. It's most helpful to the people who are worse at the game, not at the top.

It's always useful.

[astral dagger]

there is no reason to not aim train no matter what level you are

id prefer a gold with good aim than a gold with shit aim on my team

[normal bloom]

maciejay lol

[astral dagger]

macies aim is fine

but contrary to popular belief he isnt insane at the game

at least not in the "1%"

[inland lark]

Good aim shit game sense?
Haha

[normal bloom]

i remember macie being a huge potato that had to main shotguns

[warm girder]

better aim improves the no. of gunfights available for a player to take

but aim doesnt matter if you don't know when to actually take the gunfights

[astral dagger]

this r6tab tool is funny af

mate had a KD of 5.8 for his first 17 games in like plat

and we got called out for hacks

like 24/7

[inland lark]

rip

[opaque bolt]

having good aim makes the game far more enjoyable tbh

dying due to a smarter play by the other guy

is way better than dying due to bad aim

[lime wyvern]

Depends what you die to

You can easily just get recoil headshotted by a mp5 or just c4d when planting vs getting outplayed

[raw fox]

@astral dagger for the most part they feel easy and the xsoft kakes it easier to plant my fingers where they want to be sine i have my pinky off the mouse and use it to stop easier

[inland lark]

When do i take gunfights

[astral dagger]

when you risk the least

and have the highest chances of comming out ontop

@inland lark if you and your team play the round out gunfights and kills should come to you and be in your favour

https://streamable.com/peq9h4

smooth

I think you should only feel the need to take a gunfight if you are a man down and have an opportunity to bring it back to even or if the enemy is planting/time is running out.

Outside of that just playing your operator effectively will result in you getting kills and having the advantage

thats why i entry frag

i am supposed to pick gunfights

Not really, the entry usually dies and is refragged, if they don't die they are put on flank watch lol

nah

just ace

on entry

[vivid jolt]

Kills are the most valuable thing you can do.

[frank compass]

@inland lark @outer forum that is what I meant with the AD thing, you shouldnt use movement (strafe, leans, etc) to correct your aim, it's a bad habit

sorry it was like 5 am and I went to bed

that was actually a rlly nice shot haerls

but most 1taps looks like ns to me because I mag dump everything :)

[outer forum]

ah got it, yeah i just dunno why still doing it

guess its just habit from cs

[astral dagger]

@inland lark @outer forum that is what I meant with the AD thing, you shouldnt use movement (strafe, leans, etc) to correct your aim, it's a bad habit
@frank compass are you refering to my clip ?

[frank compass]

@astral dagger no

I was just reading from where I went to bed to present

I was asked to clarify

but was already dead

so

I figured I wouldnt leave it hanging

[astral dagger]

i mean i use lean to adjust my aim in that clip by a bit

not on purpose tho

[frank compass]

yea

I noticed

you actually almost leaned out of your shot

lmao

[astral dagger]

i play on toggle and instead of reseting it to default i lean to the opposite side

thats why

[frank compass]

I watched ur clip after typing that tho

yea most toggle players do

[astral dagger]

makes it look smooth tho

ngl

[frank compass]

but yours was more you leaned out then back into your shot

moreso than you using leaning to like continue tracking a target/flick to a new one