hell ye
#apex
alpine trail
@dreamy spade@viscid wraiththe pve addition is so nice.
esp sincei t buffs your shields
it's like a way to force 3rd parties
its amazing
alpine trail
?
No like
You get evo shield red
From killing them
And if people come
You just kill them cause you have red shields
dreamy spade
u barely get any shields. its only really value at lower level shields and u tell everyone in the area ur fighting prowlers which arent usually in the greatest spot
the spiders are quicker
alpine trail
u barely get any shields. its only really value at lower level shields and u tel...
went from purp to red doing them. it's prety good
spiders deff better than prowlers
dreamy spade
it takes 30 prowlers to get red
dreamy spade
they do not give much and tell everyone ur there. they are situational
viscid wraith
the good thing about prowlers isnt what they give you
but how much they distract idiots
prowler cage
is literally the freest kills ever
theres usually someone down at the triple bins in the center, kill him, then someone turns and you mow him down then send their 3rd
then since theyve done all the prowler killing for loot for you youre prepped for the next fight quickly
dreamy spade
i hate prowlers. they griefed a fight i wouldve won otherwise
astral pebble
ya i got fucked up in top 4 or so due to dumb prowlers
fitting for them to share name with the worst gun in game
they're both useless
viscid wraith
holy fuck i am so tired but 3 hr nap i am hyped to finally practice with new mouse 
sinful minnow
i got kill by a prowler!!! 🥲
they should only attack if they get attacked same with spiders
alpine trail
i got kill by a prowler!!! 🥲
.-.
alpine trail
they do not give much and tell everyone ur there. they are situational
that's why 7you use them against ppl
sounds like ur not used to pvevp games
dreamy spade
u cant like use them against people tho u cant like go throw meat and then they chase them
alpine trail
you can abuse the ai aggro
have you not played Crucible, Cycle, Scavengers?
gonna assume not
dreamy spade
if ur talking about destiny no
alpine trail
The Crucible
Amazon game
Knew it, you haven't
So yo8u're not used to AI aggro and manipulation
alpine trail
Pulling a fight to the AI so you can use it to third party is one of the strongest things you can do with annoying AI like Prowlers
Cycle relatively new
Scavengers within this past 6 months
Crucible prolly last year
It's fine, you haven't played AI games, doesn't make you bad or anything
dreamy spade
thats why i said no recent ones. i stopped that phaise after i got into fps MP g ames
alpine trail
Just pointing it out
Yea, those are FPS MP games
lmao
It sounds like you only play mainstream games like Apex Val PUBG Fortnite CSGO etc
dreamy spade
depends
alpine trail
anyway
The fact that you don't see how to utilize prowlers
Shows how little you know about pvevp
It's really easy to abuse, and fun to do it with the prowlers in this game
dreamy spade
as far as i can see there is no way to predictably have them go after people besides proximity so yeah there dumb
also give too little ammo to
alpine trail
And again, you know nothing bout pvevp
But it's fine. It's prolly just an opinion
Cause only at higher elos will it matter if you go prowlers or not
dreamy spade
well if im wrong then tell me
alpine trail
in low elos, people are pretty unpredictable
dreamy spade
cause ur acting as if u can be consistently get them to chase people and as far as i can tell its only based off proximity so unless someone actively goes towards them and is in there radius they dont do anything
alpine trail
Was in a fight with a sniper squad earlier, and just used the prowls as meat shields lmao.
Rather take 25 damage than 100 damage.
alpine trail
cause ur acting as if u can be consistently get them to chase people and as far ...
That's exactly how it works. If someone pushes you, you manipulate the range
Besides those big ass termite mounds are good cover
dreamy spade
oh then i was expecting something more complicated from u then. guess i missread
yeah i know what ur talking about now i thought it was something more interesting. ur just using the prowler zone as a semi zoning tool by baiting people into going into it
alpine trail
Ye. It ain't something massive brain. Until you use it and it actually works.
dreamy spade
i mean its still not but itll make u feel like it lmao
deep linden
just remember guys i'm responsible for all aiming and it doesn't pull 🧢
alpine trail
i mean its still not but itll make u feel like it lmao
Spoken like a true person who doesn't get it.
dreamy spade
Spoken like a true person who doesn't get it.
i mean like its cool but like if they were smart they wouldve realized u were baiting them into it is my point. its like getting a kraber no scope. like u kind of just got lucky but doesnt change the fact its feels good and is prety cool
i think this is just a taste thing. i get what ur saying i just dont find it as interesting or unique as u do
viscid wraith
@mighty brook figured out the pureg static thing, its 5 minutes total to finish the scen but it ends after you hit a certain number of targets
alpine trail
@dreamy spadejust had it happen in a game
can clip it for ya
Again, you haven't played Cycle, but this last fight was very similar to the old Cycle fights.
dreamy spade
i think we've established i know what u are talking about so idc. if u want
alpine trail
Ye, maybe it'll give you ideas or something
If not, no harm done
This is gameplay from The Cycle https://clips.twitch.tv/UninterestedUglyCoyoteOptimizePrime
And here's a clip of it happening in Apex. Teammate rezzed, got Moz, was able to escape thanks to Prowlers, got geared, won the game. https://clips.twitch.tv/LightViscousOrangeJebaited-jiuoLuV17DZLCGJY
alpine trail
anyone up late for ranked? :D
New map is amazing for FPS. Running Vtuber model and still getting high FPS.
viscid wraith
anyone up late for ranked? :D
id be down im still farming pissers in silver lmao
have like 3-4 hrs before work
viscid wraith
do you have a dc or i inv to mine up to u
alpine trail
just make a room here is good
viscid wraith
ah aight forgot there was vc here lol
viscid wraith
just make a room here is good
done
alpine trail
elfin thistle
dreamy spade
how tf are u so good
share some of the gamer powers with the rest of us ur hogging it all
solar bison
astral pebble
i'd hate to be in that guys lobbies
probably every single one of 60 players are hackers
alpine trail
164633628
hallow arrow
goated
fallen birch
whats ur guys apex routine
astral pebble
he's a pro aimer
sinful mantle
why is current plat ranked just dumb fuck duos who think they can hotdrop here like its fragment
elfin thistle
Hot dropping is the only fun way to play
latent vapor
wheres a good pub spot to land?
chilly charm
You're actually goated
alpine trail
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoggyHungryBasenjiHassaanChop-9QfpdsOZOj4ACbIj featuring @rocky wharf and @viscid wraith
alpine trail
really need to get the pay to win r99 lol
alpine trail
r301 outperforms it in range, r99 beats it in dps. Kinda hard to find a fit for CAR
astral pebble
99 is trash but ya I'll pick car > flatline > 301
elfin thistle
r301 outperforms it in range, r99 beats it in dps. Kinda hard to find a fit for...
Car has higher dps tho
202 vs 198
Car is also more forgiving than r99
wintry scroll
r301 outperforms it in range, r99 beats it in dps. Kinda hard to find a fit for...
but what it has is versatility
astral pebble
i should try car in arenas..
alpine trail
its good
elfin thistle
How much does it cost in arenas
alpine trail
but what it has is versatility
Versa-what? The fact it can use both ammos?
lusty vault
I hate this game bro
alpine trail
y
lusty vault
I’ve never had to fight so hard to survive LMAO
leave everyone 1v1 1 hp
It’s like whoever 1 mags first
There is no reload
In any fight
lusty vault
was playing in bronze last night bro
tried arena ranked too
actually dogwater
Couldn’t push
Had to farm their meds
alpine trail
yo hiswattson is in this server?
wintry scroll
Versa-what? The fact it can use both ammos?
u just compared the CAR to r301 and r99, what im saying is even tho the CAR lacks in some aspects compared to those 2, it is well balanced in everything, good dps, good recoil if u get used to it, and also it could use both ammos yeah
elfin thistle
Idk man I just see big damage=pog
hallow arrow
Feels good to use
Every beam feels so nice
viscid wraith
I like the car, the r9 just feels more satisfying imo and volt is volt
Volt r9 and flat I'm basically running some combo of those 3 weapons when I can and it's just nasty
viscid wraith
I want to say volt should be tweaked but im afraid they'd butcher it since it's a fine line atm
Best gun in the game no cap
solar bison
It's the worst smg
viscid wraith
It also has zero recoil
mighty brook
not to spiyt
lusty vault
Flatline is very strong but it should be imo idk
mighty brook
he 1 clipped me multiple times
viscid wraith
Problem with rampage is it's hot ass without a thermite
lusty vault
????
solar bison
Nobody uses rampage
viscid wraith
With one thi ee
lusty vault
That shit is busted
solar bison
Unless it's first from drop
viscid wraith
Smgs r9 is def at the bottom but that's not a bad thing it's still very good gun. Comfort pick for a huge amount of players
viscid wraith
I disagree but to each his own my opinions are skewed from titanfall
I love volt
Volt r9 is prob my most fun load out rn
With flat volt being the more meta combo to me
viscid wraith
Yeah cause Tf2 volt was kind of the hardest smg
solar bison
Oh for me it was still easier than r9
viscid wraith
So to me I use Apex volt and
It feel good
Recoil it was yes but overall ttk was wierd with it
mighty brook
spiy when do you get on today
viscid wraith
Tonight at like 11ish probably, I work late tomorrow so I can play a lot more tho
I will def be on in the morning
Tbh weapon balance feels overall decent rn tho - 301 and especially flat are a bit too effective at all ranges and lstar can still shoot for a decade but I'm not noticing it as much
Only stuff I doubt my ability to kill with is mozam lol
solar bison
Lmfaoo
viscid wraith
Tt will need some attention but that was expected since it's the same gunn it was
viscid wraith
Same p20 I'll go nuts but a mozam I either hit everything or nothing
viscid wraith
Maybe is cause I use it so much it's just comfort gun
Everyone I hear always saying it wack but I'd rather have volt over most things
I was buying base volt in arenas for a while and that might've helped
lost harbor
r9 1 clips feel amazing but the gun just feels weak as fuck when ur not literally beaming
viscid wraith
That's kind of the thing imo if you are good with it it's rewarding
wintry scroll
r9 1 clips feel amazing but the gun just feels weak as fuck when ur not literall...
yeah
car feels strong even if ur not beaming
imo
viscid wraith
any advice for a newbie in apex?
Quit while you still can 
Serious tho just play games slower, analyze when you die try not to repeat mistakes
Spend time in firing range learning guns with and without attachments and sights etc
lost harbor
That's kind of the thing imo if you are good with it it's rewarding
that's not the point, every gun is rewarding when ur whole arm aimbot activates
lost harbor
car feels strong even if ur not beaming
^
like sometimes u land on a p20 and 1clip the kid that dropped on u
doesn't make the p20 a good gun
obviously the r9 is way better than a p20, but it's underwhelming in comparison to volt/car
lost harbor
and i love the r9
go to smg in pubs
but i take literally any other smg over it in ranked
mighty brook
my aim yesterday was actual hot garbage
I just used the flatline lmfao
every time I pick up a smg or wingman it’s a instant sell
viscid wraith
I don't want to be rude but I basically only play double smg and I have to disagree - that doesn't mean your wrong, but to me I take r9 over 301 etc
R9 is def the weakest smg like I said, but it is also a hipfire machine and light ammo
With very controlled tracking
lost harbor
if i had way better aim and i was playing with a mechanically strong team, i could see myself picking r9>301
viscid wraith
But you see my point kind of stems from that - if I had a buffed r9 man id be fucking lethal
I already can 1-clip sometimes aty rifle range if I'm on my a-game
iron dragon
r9 with car visual clarity
viscid wraith
What kind of buff do you think would be fair? 1-2 damage per bullet wouldn't be to crazy ig but it's range is quite fine and it's mag sizes are perfect tbh
viscid wraith
r9 with car visual clarity
Visual clarity in general in this game man respawn obv wants me tracking balls of light
iron dragon
they don't want you to track shit 
lost harbor
What kind of buff do you think would be fair? 1-2 damage per bullet wouldn't be ...
even 1 dmg buff would probably make the gun feel a lot better
viscid wraith
Yeah tbh I could see that as fair
Would put it on par with car maybe
Not quite volt tier but more arguably viable for general use
And not for.nerd fucks like me that been using the gun across 2 games and since s0
Just wait till they add epg the casual mnk crowd will finally have their gun lol
lusty vault
Ya r9 is still my fav smg
Also prowler is so good
People say it’s just a controller gun
But that shit slaps
viscid wraith
I am doodoo water with prowler if I'm not hipfiring lmao
Burst gun make brain go monke
And mouse control goes away faster than my dad
hoary hamlet
2nd mess up on my 3k
teal canyon
i'm a proud braindead w-keyer with average aim
Your Voltaic rank and Average aim… does not compute.
viscid wraith
Benchmarks do not equate to in game aim. Means you're good at benchmarks
teal canyon
They need to stop playing and put my Alternator back in ground loot.
viscid wraith
Not talking shit about people with high bm scores
But you can be very good in controlled.scens
That you grind over and over
teal canyon
Benchmarks do not equate to in game aim. Means you're good at benchmarks
They do not equate, but they hold SIGNIFICANT relevance.
viscid wraith
Huh
I mean, I guess.it signifies you have above average emouse control and a good attitude towards improving
teal canyon
So you’re no going to aim exactly to same in ground plaza as you would in game because of recoil, lack of movement, actual player movement, etc. But mouse control and game aim have direct correlation. You move mouse over enemies and they take damage. But now you have other stuff trying to stop you from aiming like FUCKING VISUAL CLARITY.
I’m sorry.
So much clutter in ApexZ
teal canyon
What did it do?
viscid wraith
Removed muzzle flash entirely among a couple of other things that were a bit broken
Used to be able to heavily modify clutter
teal canyon
XD Now they got little ugly grass and plants they block people headglitching as well. Got even more obvious gaps that the person closer to them can fire through as well. Lol
I wish I knew how.
lusty vault
Assuming discord role translates to in game aim
viscid wraith
Also for the record I do agree with you regarding mouse control but you're slightly misunderstanding my point
teal canyon
And the little bugs and leaves stuff that fly around on screen
viscid wraith
I mean that just being X rank in for example VT
wintry scroll
Benchmarks do not equate to in game aim. Means you're good at benchmarks
fr
big agree
viscid wraith
Will certainly mean you have above average mouse control in game
Which provides a elevated starting spot for learning in game ajm
But does not necessarily mean
You won't have "average aim" if you don't work for it in game as well
I have met many people in here who are really not particularly good in a lot of shooters - practicing kovaaks to develop a foundation is incredibly useful, but applying it thru experience and time in your chosen avenue is another important aspect
lusty vault
I’ve seen at mains eat ass in game
viscid wraith
Like I played the VT benchmarks as warm up.everyday for like a month
Got a couple of Jade/diamond scores not that it matters
But I'm far more useful putting my time towards scens improving aspects.i don't get.to practice easily in game
Instead of getting shiny discord rank
If Apex had workshops like overwatch for example I prob wouldn't even use kovakks
But that's because I have a very decent foundation of mouse control, my improvement from here in that category would bring me diminishing returns
Anyway I wrote a fucking book you get my point haha
teal canyon
Assuming discord role translates to in game aim
That makes sense to me at some VT ranks, but at higher ranks like Master+ I’d think that in general they have better than average aim as long as they’ve been playing the game for a few hundred hours.
lusty vault
Playing the game for a few hundred hours
Is the key point
Anyone who plays the game for a few hundred hours
Is above average
iron dragon
Your Voltaic rank and Average aim… does not compute.
i guess this is kinda true. i tend to devalue myself but i am quite jittery and have a bad prediction tendency
iron dragon
same
but if you think about actual in-game player averages, it does sort of make sense
master is the first rank that has actually taken "proper" effort from me to reach
lusty vault
The average player is way worse than most people think
Anyone who’s dedicated any amount of time to getting better is above average
The average player has no interest in getting better
wild latch
If ur Voltaic rank isnt translating into ingame performance you've been training wrong :/
lusty vault
I disagree
wild latch
People grind so much they forget the point was to correlate it to their game, and so the disparity increases more and more. But if you play your game after training, the correlation will be there.
teal canyon
I agree.
iron dragon
playing vaaks has definitely improved my aim in the areas i used to lack a lot in, because of the types of games i played
but i've played fps games for ~17 years, so i wasn't terrible when i started
teal canyon
I had a 0.04 KDA in Apex when I started.
wild latch
ive played controller growing up and swapped M/K as an adult, playing fps games the whole time...Id shit on the version of me from before I started training like he thought he was better than he was, and I'd prolly call myself a hacker lol
viscid wraith
People grind so much they forget the point was to correlate it to their game, an...
Pretty much this, yep. Heavy agree
iron dragon
i've played both pc kbm and console controller up until i fully switched to pc in like 2014?
or whenever ps4 and xb1 released
wild latch
i like having the console controller background now that theres crossplay, i understand the strengths n weaknesses better than if I only touched PC
iron dragon
ive played controller growing up and swapped M/K as an adult, playing fps games ...
i used to be a tac fps/15-20cm flick aim one trick before i started playing vaaks
but even then it only took me the first 20 hours on vaaks to go from silver to plat 2 i think
wild latch
Nice that means u were prolly cracked before u touched it n just needed a lil refining lol
iron dragon
yeah well like i said, i've played fps games for ~17 years, i started around the age of 5
hoary hamlet
yeah well like i said, i've played fps games for ~17 years, i started around the...
wish i had that ngl
wild latch
that gamesense though
hoary hamlet
got into fps like 2 years back
wild latch
thats a lot of reference points lol
iron dragon
a lot of my time spent were in cod2, cod4, gta san andreas multiplayer and runescape though
but cod is where i got my flicks from
wild latch
i only played COD on console until MW, i played BF when i got PC
WoW was my timesink instead of runescape tho
iron dragon
i played mw2 and bo2 on console and mw2 mw3 on pc
console was mainly sniping/trickshotting tbh
wild latch
no cap i was a terrible sniper before I aim trained, like truly I thought there was just something to it that I didnt have
viscid wraith
4k hrs of siege between PC.and console and I was a game sense warrior I thought aim was for dumbass speds and that I was superior cause me big brain hehe
Now I am aim sped and have the game sense of a hamster 
wild latch
yeah sorta same spiy i had to rely on positioning over aim even in non-tac stuff
viscid wraith
Played t4 siege league with maybe silver VT aim
That more attest to how dogsht that game is but eh
iron dragon
i find it sort of interesting that there are people who play games for hundreds or even thousands of hours and barely improve. i've never really cared about rank / playing super well in any game but i obviously improved a lot over time. could just be a mindset thing and being oldgen where games and gaming were different
wild latch
Yeah self-improvement has always been a constant for me, or I feel like im doing something wrong
lusty vault
you can’t improve if you don’t want to improve
wild latch
Sadly
viscid wraith
Improvement and depression are a fun rollercoaster
I have some excuses that people around me call legit but I choose to ignore and have been grinding for long time now so when I don't see improvement mental just goes boom
viscid wraith
So many many hours of my life and denying things to people ridiculing me and trying to prove things it wears on you
viscid wraith
stagnation or performing below my average tilts the fuck out of me
Same so much same
Idgaf if I lose games or rank or blah but If I'm playing like shit hell no
teal canyon
Improvement and depression are a fun rollercoaster <:sipbulb:586373774245363723>
I felt this…
viscid wraith
Help how do I unstupid my stupid
So I don't be in good spot
And think to self
"yo this clip would be fucking sick"
YEET
I think I inted Lillia a couple of time last night doin that
mighty brook
most consistent shotgun
mellow kestrel
yep
odd root
Is eva8 still strong to play? o should i use mastiff? xD
viscid wraith
Eva still arguably best shotgun
TT is best not shotgun shotgun
Personally I'm not even running shotties in this map tho they don't feel right to me
mellow kestrel
peacekeeper > mastiff now
odd root
Thanks guys 😄
lost harbor
honestly on this map, i take triple take/longbow over any shotgun
lusty vault
Mastiff is the worst shotgun
little verge
Yeah, PK has better range than mastiff now because of the pellet size change.
Literally the only advantage Mastiff has is a quick load of two shells with the hop up
static rose
i have only found the quick load hop up like once so far
viscid wraith
I forgot it existed cause I don't pick up weapons that use it
I think they placed it in craft
For the starting week
Idk why lmao
viscid wraith
Usually they put that shit where you can find it and use it
static rose
map is starting to grow on me ngl
little verge
Map is probably good for ranked, but for farming pubs it feels bad.
keen flint
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Critique-by-an-Apex-Gamer-To-the-developers/td-p/10462427
lost harbor
drip
viscid wraith
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Feedback/Critique-by-an-Apex-Gamer-To-the-deve...
That entire thread is leaving my brain numb from stupidity - his points aren't even all that wrong but also all wrong lol
The ea forums are cancer
Bunch of wannabe gremlins
lost harbor
post reeks of ego lmao
sand aurora
i stuggle really hard to implement my movement into real games any ideas to fix?
in training ground i am really comfortable with them but in game i cant
viscid wraith
i stuggle really hard to implement my movement into real games any ideas to fix?...
Takes practice man the more you use them and get comfortable the more you will find ways to work it in to you fights
I'm one to talk tho, 1k hrs and I'm basically this games bastion
sand aurora
u think arena is a good way to do that or go for real game and just die till u get it?
proven pulsar
Keep practicing your movement techs until you can do them without effort and then start actively searching for opportunities to apply them in game
sand aurora
arena??
proven pulsar
Firing range for practice, any other mode should do for actual application
hoary hamlet
I'm one to talk tho, 1k hrs and I'm basically this games bastion <:pepeLaff:6351...
the name bastion gives me nightmares lmao
viscid wraith
the name bastion gives me nightmares lmao
sand aurora
he gets reworked i think
hoary hamlet
https://c.tenor.com/NK1fymm9MToAAAAM/overwatch-overwatch-league.gif
not that but yea
viscid wraith
I know I was giving you another night are lol
hoary hamlet
viscid wraith
crude geyser
Is it normal for Apex predator player to trash talk?
Anyone care to play pubs with me, i'm lonely 🙂
viscid wraith
It's normal for any rank to trash talk
clear zinc
viscid wraith
Imagine not playing no fill hehe aggressively taps strafes off a cliff
viscid wraith
It's funny how people like to play duo and left the third person
Bro fr if you aren't in ranked just no fill, teaches you to only rely on yourself and you will never be mad about teammates cause you're to not having em anyway
crude geyser
I srsly don't know how to improve with no fill
viscid wraith
Your kd will go down initially it's a learning curve
crude geyser
I need to learn the 1v3 technique
viscid wraith
My max no fill was a 17kill 3.8k lifeline solo.squads
crude geyser
damn
viscid wraith
Was so fucking high on dopamine
crude geyser
more like cocaine
viscid wraith
Lol
No fill teaches you the importance of positioning and movement as well as punishes you for mistakes
It's frustrating at first
But it's like a drug
You get addicted
To that level of self loathing that passes as you queue the next one
After getting landed on by 3 gold's that saw you were.solo landing
You become numb to idiots
Mental either breaks and you uninstall the game or hardens like steel and you thrive idk I'm rambling cause I have nothing else to do rn lol
crude geyser
Teach me
sensei
I'm having trouble carrying braindead Gold ranked players 😦
80% of the time, i do most of the job
viscid wraith
How 2 carry golds is you run at fights and kill them all - if you get low back off and sacrifice your teammate s to create space
viscid wraith
80% of the time, i do most of the job
Then you're doing it right
Lol
What region are you dash my acct is still gold I'm not ranking it fast
Trying to play with people give other soloqees chance to mingle
crude geyser
Singapore
I gotta ask you a question, if there are 3 people in a building, both of your teammate are down in the building, would u run or fight them?
viscid wraith
Run
Or better
Let one hit you for a chunk
And bait him to chase you outa door
For a.1v1
sand aurora
is strafe taping close range good? with faid slide
bc i really dont know how to move close range
viscid wraith
is strafe taping close range good? with faid slide
Very much depends on the situation
Sometime tap strafe just gets you killed
viscid wraith
Singapore
Sadge I'm NA, what ping do you get to Tokyo?
Is best ping Asia server for me
sand aurora
Very much depends on the situation
whats good to do when ur like open range up close or in generell up close
viscid wraith
whats good to do when ur like open range up close or in generell up close
Prefacing this with the fact that my strafe is shit: just work on strafing techniques. Counter, mirror, there are more knowledge able YouTube videos for this than I could explain to you . Begin implementing as much of it as you can without hurting your aim too much
glossy bluff
spamming no fill wont make you better at the game
glossy bluff
how will no-fill teach you how to play against a high elo 3 stack
viscid wraith
It will teach you how to handle positioning yourself vs a stack of enemies with teammates that might as well not exist
Master's+ prob won't see improvement in no fill
He's talking about gold rn
glossy bluff
likewise
dropping solo and forcing 1v3 without any clue of what to do wont give people eureka moments
viscid wraith
I'm assuming he's not brand new to the game, you can get away with a lot of poor play with teammates that no fill otherwise will punish you for
sand aurora
what is this game people complain i am not insane when i am playing sliver and he is lvl 400
and i got 3 times his dmg
sand aurora
i am just annoyed no need to understand
lusty vault
I’m not going to lie solo qing pubs is basically no fill
viscid wraith
Yes, it's an annoying process for sure but if nothing else you are working on extremely applicable fundamentals that over a good period of time a good player is able to analyze and piece together
lusty vault
Your teammates aren’t going to help regardless
viscid wraith
For sure some people just aren't going to reflect on why they died
In which case mindlessly dieing is bad
But if you learn from what got you kill ed you can only get better
I saw massive improvement s in my play going from fill trios to no fill duos and eventually no fill trios
Mostly in decision making and knowing where to capitalize on mistakes in position
glossy bluff
have you considered whether or not it was simply adaptation to playing the game without teammates?
viscid wraith
That's kind of my point, which you basically don't have teammates until like d2ish and even then it's coinflip
viscid wraith
Games where you do have teammates cause ye that does happen just seem so insanely easy compared
If you are soloq a selfish solo player mindset + 2 meat shields can just play smart and be diamond pretty easily
crude geyser
Sadge I'm NA, what ping do you get to Tokyo?
120ms 😦
alpine trail
just be the one who shoots through the door
glossy bluff
that is unfortunately poor advice at best, just soloqing and playing selfishly using your teammates will not make you a better player
stray valley
^^
glossy bluff
instead a player at any level should be questioning their motives and actions at all times and thinking about what actions to take in the situation given to you
viscid wraith
And you can't do that playing solo??
glossy bluff
as well as trying to absorb as much information as possible from other players
well what you say is makes no sense
you can do the same with teammates
you also have different situations with teammates that you wouldnt have as a solo
no, immitating your favorite streamer doesnt make you good
you might be doing some things that are good
static rose
I mean the best way to improve is to to play with some intention on what you want to improve on
glossy bluff
but building bad habits along the way
viscid wraith
Hmm. Well you make good argument I'm not gonna call you wrong it's a.playstyle difference. I have noticed how much it helps me - I'm not the most insane player by any means but I am capable of playing as team member from experience in other games so I approach Apex from an aggressive angle to target what I am weak in
If someone pays attention and doesn't just autopilot
alpine trail
there's a difference with playing with your team and using them as insurance
also
I can afford to make dumb decisions because my team will clean up
is not a great mindset to have
viscid wraith
I'm not advocating that lol
glossy bluff
i mean your bottom line was baiting your teammates in order to clean up fights yourself
valid strat but does it make you a good player?
proven pulsar
railgun teaching apex
bright elm
just have aimbot and brain
viscid wraith
It's not going to work against master's+ because that is a very different overall game.compared to dia and.below but it also creates a very solid mechanical foundation for holding your own as a player
bright elm
👍
alpine trail
i mean your bottom line was baiting your teammates in order to clean up fights y...
this sort of boils down to how mindful you are of whats really going on
for instance,
glossy bluff
do you have any evidence itll do more than if you played squad?
alpine trail
I know my teammates are holding the attention of the enemies, therefore now I can push up, reposition, etc.
glossy bluff
lmao
alpine trail
which is a part of fundies
viscid wraith
That is a good point no I have not played for squad in quite some time unless.im in premade - I can't say for certain or with results that it will perform better
glossy bluff
i assume youve reached at least master no?
viscid wraith
20 off 3 season back, so technically I am still dia shitter
proven pulsar
glossy bluff
railgun moment
proven pulsar
Shut up
glossy bluff
glossy bluff
i only said that cause you memed on him
proven pulsar
glossy bluff
youre in the same spot no place to talk trash
glossy bluff
playing solo might make you better as a solo
but never get good at teamplay
the solo players you see on twitch are already good at teamplay so they can really do anything they please
glossy bluff
but you dont beat tsm by baiting your two teammates and trying to max out your own damage
bright elm
because apex is 90% of the time a team based game
proven pulsar
So you are saying that getting good at teamplay improves your solo play, but it doesn't work the other way around?
proven pulsar
I mean it kinda makes sense if you were trying to say that but ogey
glossy bluff
learning to play as a solo is learning to play as a solo
viscid wraith
Teamplay is.nkt difficult to learn
glossy bluff
oh really
glossy bluff
thats probably the most ignorant thing youve said so far
dunning kruger
why do ALGS teams struggle so much with teamplay if its so easy?
theyre full time pros
if they cant get it down perfect how can you
alpine trail
he did say easy to learn not easy to master
xd
a squad with good teamwork easily wins 3v3 even against mechanically better players if they dont coop correctly
viscid wraith
You are losing slight basis her e bro
I'm not saying teamplay at pro kevel
Is not complex
proven pulsar
viscid wraith
Teamplay is nothing more than utilizing the combined experience of the group and especially at the pro level under the guidance of an overarching goal or plan at any given moment while understanding the limitations placed due to mechanical error or competition aka ranked vs algs
Teamplay in ranked
Vs in algs
Lmao it is not the same beast
I am running on 2hrs.of sleep. Trying to put an argument together when very obviously we do not agree
Which nothing wrong with thsy
That
glossy bluff
i asked you why you thought it was easy to learn not to make a verbose definition
proven pulsar
Let the man come back to this discussion after some sleep bambi
2 hrs of sleep do feel like shit
alpine trail
sleep is for the weak
glossy bluff
why even try to lecture if youre that tired
proven pulsar
Cap
alpine trail
i meditate 15 mins per day
proven pulsar
Cringe
viscid wraith
Establish heirarchy, formulate game plan, execute and communicate like at the ranked or.most basic level playing as a team can literally mean as little as just shotxalling a push and communicate positioning
mighty brook
i have a simple solution for everyone in here
solo play is solo play and team play is team play
they can both be developed
proven pulsar
Who
mighty brook
🤝
viscid wraith
Like this started with me telling someone in gold playing with comparable to robot teammates to solo to work on his ability to count on himself mechanically and mentally in the moment
And now we dragging algs into it I am tired lmao I'm not trying to write a book when we are in different sections of the library Bambi
glossy bluff
i can agree with your definitions of teamplay but to say its easy
because of shot calling
and communication
is a stretch
well i already spoke of why your suggestion of soloing was bad
viscid wraith
It is skewed for me ig cause I have like 3k scrim hours across various games to me teamplay is simple at it's core
Experience and playing with people when the time comes to do so teaches most of those core fundamentals
I was approaching the original topic from a mechanical and.confidenxe standpoint
glossy bluff
and like i said dying endlessly as a solo will definitely help with those how?
just the amount of down time per death
viscid wraith
Ok now we are in circles my man I'm not going to retype my reasoning s
I.have succeeded with how I play for a targeted goal
Yoyrmethid is not wrong
Holy typo
But we are far frkm
Where the talk originated imo
glossy bluff
well i already wrote my response long ago
viscid wraith
Well we don't agree oh well internet argument in nutshell lol I did like seeing you explain your reasoning tho
https://c.tenor.com/MF2NG1g1EAAAAAAM/spongebob-patrick-star.gif
glossy bluff
alpine trail
so tl;dr
play solo if you wanna work on teamwork
play as a team to push mechanics
: - )
alpine trail
git gud
viscid wraith
Actually the true tldr is it's all a
https://c.tenor.com/Cpyrg86i5OUAAAAM/chika-dance-skill-issue.gif
mighty brook
I am putting words fingers are cold af
it actually is cold as fuck man
i remember not being able to wait for it to stop being hot
but now i miss it
mighty brook
true
viscid wraith
I am in a warehouse with no heat and.comcrete.floors heats been sapped out of me I have 4 fucking layered on Jesus Christ
3 pairs socks and little toe is still numb 
alpine trail
butt why
viscid wraith
Money is good lol
alpine trail
viscid wraith
Paying all my bills at a job where my only annoyance is being cold is pretty dope
I am security guard I do basically nothing but watch this door all day
Unless I swap with coworker then I'm watching a gate for change of scenery
crude geyser
I just died because my team landed in a different place even though i landed on the place where they pinged
nice
Last minute direction change
FML
Shit for brains teammates
viscid wraith
and you're not on graveyard shift
I am graveyard some days, days on others today is a day shift
Wish I had true graveyard would be able to slightly fix sleep
All*
sand aurora
someone wanan duo eu i keep dying to the 2nd dude when i play solo
sly trout
who wants to play ranked and reach Masters or Pred with me🎮
elfin thistle
Simply break out of that mental state
sand aurora
paypal or?
ancient rover
or subway giftcard?
sand aurora
playstation card
elfin thistle
MapleStory gift card
ancient rover
alibaba giftcard
kind sandal
The map is actually decent now
Getting so many good games
First day was awful
Now its actually decent
sand aurora
if u play some insane high sens lower it like 10cm or so
alpine trail
if u play some insane high sens lower it like 10cm or so
am playin 1.2 800
and its literally
only when theres a game with recoil
sand aurora
ur sens is fine try playing smoothnes secenarios with 12 cm/360 for like 10 min everyday
sand aurora
am playin 1.2 800
play this for 10 min everyday and try not to tense
chilly charm
just lost an endgame because my teammates wasted all their nades trying to destroy a wattson ult
mighty brook
1v1 anyone?
wind fulcrum
Hey guys, any tips for my first time with apex? 
ashen trench
maps growing on me ngl
alpine trail
Hey guys, any tips for my first time with apex? <:praydge:779348202787831810>
watch beginner tip videos, try out everything in the firing range, play a lot
also playing w a friend or two that are new to apex makes it a very enjoyable experience
wind fulcrum
Probably I'll do like in Valorant
Go to unranked and try the weapons in game
alpine trail
play this for 10 min everyday and try not to tense
me without recoil- like i rlly dont get this
hot gate
astral pebble
no its fucking doghsit
garbage map
https://clips.twitch.tv/ManlyBlatantClamDancingBaby-_wz2-3WNVsFtdGxC what is this fucking garbage holy shit
astral pebble
qwhat?
proven pulsar
dongie#5065
astral pebble
imagine getting 14 kills in 16 minutes, and here i am for 1hr15mins still trying to get 5 kills or assists
fucking hacker
astral pebble
i average like 3 per 3 hours
last oak
so i got ez picks
but i wanted that 2.5
im screaming
ive gotten thru all 5 stages of mourning
or grief would be the better word
kind sandal
but i wanted that 2.5
Farming damage is so easy in this game, just poke bad players instead of pushing
TT/Rampage is so good for farming damage right now
lusty vault
Is that jolly
last oak
i suck w/ the rampage lolmao
viscid wraith
i suck w/ the rampage lolmao
r301, flatline both very good for that purpose as well if you dont like rampage
301/flat + longbow/TT is prob easy af 4ks with current map
astral pebble
creative
solar bison
It's much easier to hit shots in ow than apex
alpine trail
It's much easier to hit shots in ow than apex
Yh but recoil fucks with my smoothness
Like
I get soo fuckin shaky
solar bison
Skill issue
lusty vault
I think it’s in your head
alpine trail
Bru
compact breach
anyone know how to control the car recoil
like wat shape to draw
cuz i draw a little s for the r9 and the lightning bolt for flatline
alpine trail
little verge
cuz i draw a little s for the r9 and the lightning bolt for flatline
It's mostly pulling down to the right, then mostly left with a touch of vertical, then right, then back left IIRC
It's mostly just getting the timing between the left and right switches that is weird at first.
chilly charm
Hot
solar bison
like wat shape to draw
Down to the right then zigzag
wintry scroll
anyone know how to control the car recoil
its close to the flatline recoil
little verge
Yeah, I find it similar, though I do almost more of a u shape when I do the horizontal for Flatty.
alpine trail
noice
sterile crow
does anyone know a scenario on kovaaks that has different gun recoils like flatline?
astral pebble
nice aimbot
lament arrow
astral pebble
this mfer got more kills in 5 mins than i had in 2 hours
sterile crow
finally, after a couple hours Pog
hoary hamlet
^
lost harbor
just why
latent vapor
Impressive
wild flame
is tracking a wingman player short strafing viable
worn sparrow
man im mad potato with the car
i really need to spend a bit of time with the recoil in the range
bright elm
ignore the whiffs, the fuckin
holy wtf was that armor swap
astral pebble
i see you have met dogshit teammates
latent vapor
Youre not unique
whats up ur ass
latent vapor
ty ily @mighty brook
mighty brook
latent vapor
viscid wraith
tbf theres tons ofposts all day about bad randos, but that doesnt mean theres anything wrong with posting it lol
latent vapor
was trying to add my experience :/ lmao
viscid wraith
<:downbadge:838039428538564609>
oh btw you looking to run some ranked today? gonna be on until 3ish pst
mighty brook
oh btw you looking to run some ranked today? gonna be on until 3ish pst
sure
viscid wraith
bet imma warm up
hoary hamlet
may you be blessed with rp
viscid wraith
mighty brook
hoary hamlet
potent ether
For the past few days I feel like I can't hit my shots and get completely dunked on in any 1 on 1, time to take a break?
glad nimbusBOT
wild latch
Until you win a game and see one of your teammates with 50 dmg without ever even going down...wait where was I going with this?
slate sedge
is there any agreed upon range of cm/360 thats optimal for apex?
alpine trail
think mostly it's 10-50
Some might say 10-35*
Then again, used to play 75 here, and a friend that's on a pro team plays 63
slate sedge
right not one size fits all
I hate sens
i hate that i havent ever found a comfy one in 2 years
im seriously sens-stupid
viscid wraith
aim +1, braincells -32 lol https://streamable.com/ytuu4f
alpine trail
i hate that i havent ever found a comfy one in 2 years
go in range, move around while tracking target, if slow, increase, if fast, decrease. done.
play at that for the next 2 years. you'll like it.
alpine trail
aim +1, braincells -32 lol https://streamable.com/ytuu4f
u rankin?
viscid wraith
ye you want in? we in my vc ill inv
alpine trail
sure sure
alpine trail
nice
viscid wraith
apex is a horror game https://streamable.com/j5wk49
hoary hamlet
apex is a horror game https://streamable.com/j5wk49
AUDIO?????????????
kind sandal
Arenas?
little verge
First match of the day and a console kid goes behind a pillar at the same time I take cover, I get hit with 6 shots and he hits all but two headies.
Who would win, high performance machine with fiber internet or one boxy boi with wifi?
little verge
I'm destined to always fall short, aren't I?
desert temple
@little verge what a great game that was
little verge
@mighty brook Pain. Pain? Pain. Pain?
mighty brook
never gotten a 4k either
idk if u got 1 before but
since that was the closest i got i was so pissed
little verge
This was my closest now, but I had a 3880 game with solo no fill duos.
Would have been 4K but the last guy repeeked me without healing and I double anvil domed him with Flatty.
spring patrol
right not one size fits all
43cm
then 1600 dpi for the fastest armors waps
swaps
alpine trail
bullet slow is so cool😎
little verge
Team tried to third us all game and were just cringe with double snipers. They even get Alternator and Kraber, and I still win the 1vs2.
Even ran out of heavy ammo for the Flatty and had to just R99 at range.
bright elm
think mostly it's 10-50
10???? the fuck
bright elm
is there any agreed upon range of cm/360 thats optimal for apex?
20 - 50
ur nerfing yourself if you play anything faster than 20
no point in using anything below 20
sand aurora
can someone explain me how to move in like close gun fights bc i always just stand still used to it from valorant and siege
little verge
I wonder if standing still would work better on console players with their rotational aim assist lol.
Since both players moving seems to have the most impact.
little verge
Strafes can depend. Use cover, crouch time to time, and there's pros and cons to both anti mirror and mirroring. Def don't stay still though, there's not much penalty for moving.
deep linden
sand aurora
https://youtu.be/A8jMHYng2zU
meant for me or
deep linden
nah
sand aurora
ok
alpine trail
10???? the fuck
there are goats on 13
hoary hamlet
no rollers
bro all i see is rollers lmao
lusty vault
havent seen a single one
bright elm
its like how you see people using 30cm on valorant like s1mple, doesnt mean its a good sens to use
wind fulcrum
Holy jesus 
viscid wraith
is it just me or is this market event mid as fuck except for maybe dj gibby...
lusty vault
the mirage looks sick
little verge
Half Life graphics right there
alpine trail
I feel like anti-mirroring is only viable close range
like close enough that you basically go out of their screen
gm soon ™️
and mirroring should be used only when you have health advantage
but when it comes to mirroring
it should also only be used in like 1v1s
cause if not
then you're just giving away free dmg to the enemy
for their teammate to finish you off
AD strafe is for babies
real men WS only
lol
ez
yeah but in general you want your mvmnt to be super unpredictable
and i feel like you do that by like just applying anything that just comes to mind and not overthinking it
like different patterns and such
and then eventually it becomes second nature
and you don't even have to think about it at all
unless you want to change something
iron dragon
you got it ez
