apex

[oak veldt]

its my 2nd season of ranked

[mental ridge]

yes

[final forge]

good is relative, as long as you are gaining it's good progress

[oak veldt]

alr then ill call it good progress

[willow hill]

Reminder if you’re on roller you’re soft

Been a while since I mentioned it

Had to get it out of my system

[tight totem]

4k in 5 hours or crashout

[devout tusk]

toddlers wit baby hands using c i swear

[pale scroll]

Your fingers short or something?

Can't reach over?

[bright slate]

thats why i use comma and space

[devout tusk]

shaq binds

[pale scroll]

32cm <<< 40cm

32cm apex kd was 1 to 1.3

I swapped to 40cm, and now I'm getting 1.5 to 2

And that's r5, which is mostly close range

[bright slate]

25cm >

[mental ridge]

lately i just randomely swap between 0.6 0.7 0.8 and 0.9 at 1600dpi

[mental ridge]

if you play controller on pc you crave validation without wanting to put in the effort to deserve it.

[willow hill]

no cap

[pale scroll]

https://giphy.com/gifs/NzQkhb2iwaMbj7BfKw

everybody knows a pc pred and roller pred

isn't even close to the same

[mental ridge]

playing controller on pc is the same as using cheatcodes in gta. you aint got the mental resolve to earn it yourself and use the easy way

[empty thistle]

Would be true except like 80-90% of players in a diamond+ lobby will be roller

Just levelling the playing field

https://x.com/birnooce/status/2047567816568742080?s=46&t=ryWMv4Kp5EIzIiFdlZsxoA

BirnoOCE (@BirnoOCE)

X · Apr 24, 2026, 6:46 AM

[pale scroll]

yes

maybe not 80% but a lot

what worth is a rank if it's achieved without skill

"I'm pred" well you're roller so that automatically makes you a shitter

[empty thistle]

Not really, a lot of the skills in the game transfer between inputs

Roller is only a insta skill boost to bad players

[pale scroll]

shitter is a shitter

[empty thistle]

There’s a reason genburten can plug in a mnk and mog 99.9% of them

Same for Hal after not playing mnk for 2 years

[bright slate]

gen is good on mnk

[mental ridge]

but thats because they got good on mnk first

the majority of controller players play controller because they perform way better on it

[pale scroll]

ok and

shitter is a shitter 🗣️

its only acceptable if ur playing comp and have money on the line

otherwise

you're doing it for the ego boost

and that makes you a shitter

https://giphy.com/gifs/NzQkhb2iwaMbj7BfKw

[mental ridge]

yeah doing it to be payed is the least obnoxious reason to play controller

[novel loom]

Yall watch the gdolphn 1v1 tourney yesterday?

[empty thistle]

Only saw xander won

[novel loom]

yeah no surprise there. Kingviktor won for mnk side

honestly i feel like pablo could have won the mnk side but he was choking against viktor

[cobalt ledge]

Surprised that he went back to MnK. I was hoping people like peepo or maybe some top quake players would play. Would've been cool

[novel loom]

yeah that would have been cool, however, I think the setting in the house with the doorplay would have been not that interesting for quake players

[cobalt ledge]

Yeah, I would've liked it if they broke the doors at the start. I think there was 1v1 tournament a long time ago in which Serious did pretty good (only losing to the eventual winner)

[vagrant basalt]

how do you ping mods to report that shi

[empty thistle]

new elo peak for ur local thumbless roller

been 3 weeks now I think roughly

[cobalt ledge]

The score part standa for ELO? TIL

[novel loom]

a few crazy pb's i hit today. I went on a schizo 3 hour CFSI only session lol

[novel loom]

Yep

[cobalt ledge]

How is it actually calculated?

[novel loom]

I'm not entirely sure, but I assume it's by beating players higher scored than you increases your score while losing to one's lower than you decreases it

I don't think it's based off of placement within the match

[cobalt ledge]

Makes sense. Was happy to see my acc% to increase a bit from last season but my ELO also dropped a bit so that adds up xdd

Just noticed it says how it works if you hover over it

[tight totem]

holy shit

u got any in game clips

[mental ridge]

whats your score on the most popular cfsi

[empty thistle]

Ye 300 is average apparently

I guess 600+ you’re quite good

Is wxltzy a strafe god cuz idk how is elo is so high with 34% acc

[cobalt ledge]

Id be cool to see some kind of ELO distribution chart

[empty thistle]

Just look at the leaderboard by elo and you can reverse calc the percentiles

[cobalt ledge]

I was thinking of an interactive chart you could filter and look at shape od the distribution. Maybe you can do already do that on leaderboard

How dows your current ELO compare to your MnK?

[empty thistle]

Still worse than mnk rn

I think I was like 550-600 before I ruined my stats with my first few days in roller

Kd was 1.25 anyway I know that much

[empty thistle]

Would be cool but doubtful we could get it

Lost the eu server as soon as they added stat tracking

[trim dragon]

what really is the elo in r5, is it used for match making?

i have a 330 score and sub 1 kd so im assuming that is not great cus i get mogged a lot

[empty thistle]

Shouldn’t you be better for gm 😭

300 is average

I think

I mean my kd is still negative with 460 lol

[trim dragon]

Unfortunately not

At least my accuracy is above average i guess

32% is above average right ? Idk

[empty thistle]

Pretty far above avg

Avg is like 25 with 3% sd

How are you strafing to have a negative kd 😭

Bros doing the coach frosty strafe

[novel loom]

14500 63%acc

[novel loom]

yeah but i dont stream or anything

[tight totem]

insane comments

[tight totem]

can u post some clipss

i wanna see what it looks like

[trim dragon]

i have no idea, probably i look like bot royal movement from other's pov

[novel loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdExlWC-axc

I did a season where i basically played nothing but arenas everyday for like 6+ hours a day. I was hackusated quite a bit during this lol. I rushed with the editing which makes the clips a bit mid but this was some highlights from it

[tight totem]

bro ssent me a montage from 3 years baack

[novel loom]

thats the only thing i have lol

i wanna build a streaming pc but ive been putting it off

[wintry cypress]

dont worry about it bro

we're all broke

[novel loom]

this guy has better CFSI scores than me. I think he's #4 in the world on it, he's also imo top 5 mnk in eu

https://youtu.be/vfJjfkHh6sE?si=GZFYD5goAE3swh7-

[tight totem]

oh ive seen pablo

hes good

[tight totem]

so this is genuine curiosity right

even though youre obviously a really good player, why clip the first clip

[novel loom]

bro i told u those clips were super mid lol

[tight totem]

nah but like i said im genuinely curious because

even pros do this

is it just filler

[novel loom]

i just clipped a 1 clip and i think i had 2 b2b 1 clips so i just threw it in there

[tight totem]

alr sso it is filler

i was wondering if i was missing something all this time

[hushed forge]

If he only threw the best of the best clips in it’d take 2 months to make a minute long video

Gotta throw in some filler

[wintry cypress]

Yeah it usually takes me a long time to make montages as well

Like 2-3 months to gather clips with my low ass play hours

[languid trench]

yo

[mental ridge]

Pablo was on this server until he managed to get himself banned

[wintry cypress]

reformed as well

[hushed forge]

Free pablo

[mental ridge]

brother you arent even in the top 100

fix that

i must have gotten better because now cfsi isnt just a randome untrackable blurr anymore

[fallen apex]

What crosshair color do you guys use in apex. I’m wondering what color I should use. Any suggestions?

[oak veldt]

triple caustic in wildcard is so funny

just farting everywhere

[rose wraith]

Reminds me of me seeing high school kids playing triple controller for TDM

TDM against triple controller on pylon

The most aids shit to ever exist

They switched to BR tho before I could loudly advocate for some team comp restrictions

[novel loom]

ik bro im the ultimate choke artist, the amount of times i easily had a top 50 score

[novel loom]

yes! thats progress. If u grind it out it gets wayyy easier

[oak veldt]

It is super aids but it’s a blast

Catalyst was fun as well

[bright slate]

gotta do triple bang

[oak veldt]

We did that too

[bright slate]

or maggie

[oak veldt]

Won a game that way actually

[bright slate]

triple ball into 3x neostrafing maggies

[oak veldt]

We shall try that next time

[bright slate]

triple fuse

[oak veldt]

Oh nah 😨

[lapis nacelle]

💀 W it keeps getting me 2/3 in wild card

totatlly unfair

[main merlin]

I wish I didn't spend 3k hours on mnk apex.

[bright slate]

you wish you spent more.

[main merlin]

Probably but apex was ass 2 years ago. It's in a decent to good spot now

[mental ridge]

any other tipps doe cfsi

[novel loom]

yeah i can give you a couple

focus on the bots movement with your eyes, it likes to do a lot of long strafes so make sure you follow that. if you find yourself resetting a lot and running out of mousepad space it might be beneficial to raise your sens. Most good CFSI players go under 20cm

if you find yourself just flicking erractically to get back on target you're wrong. You need to be making smooth transitions on directional changes. If the bot is too fast/challenging to do the easy variant until you feel like you have a good grasp on it

obviously dont predict, this might be the most important thing but one of the hardest things to not do starting off.

higher sens allows you to focus mainly on wrist movements, if you play on a slower one youre going to be transitioning from arm to wrist aiming frequently. People have found success on slower sens on this scenario but the vast majority use a faster one.

[mental ridge]

ill try 20 cm

[novel loom]

i run around 23cm, ive been increasing it slightly everyday. I started on 37cm

[bright slate]

you need schizo edm

for ground

300 bpm

[novel loom]

thats hidden tech, he's not quite there yet

ironically aimer7 made a statement in one of his guides that playing female vocal pop music like taylor swift or something drastically improved his scores

[mental ridge]

lmao

[bright slate]

instrumental music boosts focus iirc

[mental ridge]

gonna listen to female vocal speed garage then

[bright slate]

yatashigang

most dizzying music ive heard

so loud as well

https://open.spotify.com/track/2qCvsmE9jO1QQQQ1jpndVZ

LOUD!

[novel loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-w6wnwPXnw

avril lavigne has been my jam the last couple of days because of this video lol

[mental ridge]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5NJFLiDKyjT0vF1VXTwzpE?si=ecoc36peQ3uJGMerkqHsFg

this song is lowkey fire

[bright slate]

kordhell took over

https://open.spotify.com/track/0J5logwix3UXFydSN9xULS

this one is a bit more coherent

as a song

[mental ridge]

nah that song is too tame

[empty thistle]

Damn so all my girly pop songs were aiding my aim /s

I miss mnk

Nerf AA so I can swap back please 🙏

[novel loom]

i honestly feel like they might

theres been a trend again in AA complaints

same thing happened before they nerfed it before

[mental ridge]

just grow a spine and work on your fundamentals?

[static yacht]

If fun comes from the result and not the way you achieve it, I understand Worzel

I'm same

Swapped to roller a week ago and I won't look back until they nerf AA

[empty thistle]

No fundamentals is giving me 40% acc

[mental ridge]

you pointed out yourself that accuracy isnt the onlything responsible for ingame lethality

[empty thistle]

Well I can’t swap back anyway en

My current setup won’t allow it

[mental ridge]

who cares if you can hit 40% accuracy on good strafing enemies if enemies have a 50% accuracy on you because youre an easy target

[mental ridge]

youre on playstation now?

[empty thistle]

Good strafe isn’t monopolised by mnk

[empty thistle]

Na just have it here to play games with gf

[mental ridge]

it isnt but you would likely perform well better on mnk to the point where you didnt feel like crutching aimassist

[mental ridge]

btw you need a xbox for easy pred

[empty thistle]

Too many cheaters on console

I tried and died to aimbotters 4 games in a row in plat

Recent bans sent them all back to new accs

[empty thistle]

Not like roller has to be skill less

I’m already almost maxing out the intermediate aimlab official benches for tracking 😂

98% of aimlab mnks being worse than a guy with one stick

[mental ridge]

@novel loom have you grinded fast strafes humanoid switch?

[mental ridge]

@empty thistle that score is higher than yours

[empty thistle]

Look how old mine is

I haven’t played that version in years

Play easy thin if you want a recent one

[novel loom]

i dont think so

[novel loom]

whats the scenario like?

[mental ridge]

its different from cfsi idk how to describe it it feels more real to me imo as in ints close to how som,ebody would strafe ingame

[novel loom]

ill give it a try tmrw

i do believe CFSI is the gold standard for close range reactivity

if youre able to get good at that imo u can pretty much do any ground reactivity scenario as the fundamentals transfer

[mental ridge]

i find my problem with cfsi or any fast strafes in that sense is that i just have trouble to react quick enought its as if my brain is to slow to pick up on the direction change. i cant tell if its because im too shaky and this its hard to visually see the direwction change as it happens or if its just my reaction time

[novel loom]

how much time do you have on the scenario?

[mental ridge]

on human benchmark i can score arround 150ms if i lock in

[novel loom]

reading the bot gets easier with time. i can without trying get high 50s acc and a good run for me is low 60s

a few months ago i was barely able to get 50

i might have been in the 40s i cant remember

but i had weak fundamentals

predicting bot movement, being lazy on reading the movement, just poor technique. So i would reckon its just matter of time spent playing it for you

[novel loom]

thats better than me

[mental ridge]

i have 21 plays in cfsi and and 86 in fast strafes humanoid switch

[mental ridge]

well only because i minmax how i press my mouse button

[novel loom]

i would say keep playing it, 21 and 86 is very little imo

but i also take the approach of just autistically grinding a scenario until i get the score that i want

[static yacht]

How true is that on flicking scenarios

[empty thistle]

I’m like 50th percentile on clicking

🥀

[wintry cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

Bro thats like 100 kills in 1w4ts voltaic 🥀🥀🥀

[empty thistle]

What do you want from me it’s controller 😭😭

I think Nekosu is only like dia

[wintry cypress]

Oooohhh

I thought u meant mnk

[dull falcon]

Any more algs streams today

[placid root]

@quaint karma Hohohoho 🎅

[terse raptor]

What are y'all's Edpi?

[pale scroll]

vt rank?

[pale scroll]

40cm

why do ppl still use edpi in this day and age, it takes 30 seconds to learn your cm

[terse raptor]

Why not

[terse raptor]

Nice

[pale scroll]

because it's not transferrable between games?

I play a lot of games, I don't know my edpi's for all of them

cm is just easier

[terse raptor]

Well, we are talking in apex legends channel so you know what I'm talking about

[pale scroll]

so?

as I said, it's not any harder to learn cm than edpi

and is easier to use b.c. ppl know what you mean even when they don't know the sensitivity settings for specific games

so it's just objectively better

[terse raptor]

Tbh I quit fps for like 2 years, before I quit YouTubers mentioned edpi more ig

Didn't know that cms/360 is more common now

[trim dragon]

god damn i suck even more today, accuracy went up by .2 the but score dropped by like 150

[shrewd pollen]

in any case good accuracy

[placid root]

diamond incomplete

[pale scroll]

I mean kinda is kinda isn't, most ppl still use edpi, but for an aim trainer discord I feel like it should be standard to use cm

cause I don't go into a game and try to set my edpi, always my cm

[pale scroll]

crazy

has to be really good reading skills ig

wraith did have aah dodge though

[trim dragon]

man i can go 160 on the first mag then miss 5 shot gun shots in a row

[cobalt ledge]

Maybe you just need to work on your strafe a bit. Make yourself a bit harder to hit

https://youtu.be/TLG32aIXjeQ?is=YRivwnHSsVwApBJP

[dull falcon]

Ur gm bro

[dull falcon]

Ur not fucking washed anymore

Washed mnk player unwashes himself

[placid root]

I mean, you can look at my other clips, and it'd be clear

[trim dragon]

yeah but i don't really play real game, i play like 5 games of apex a week that is it

[dull falcon]

Start playing more

Literally the best fps game

[cobalt ledge]

I think I saw that the melee animation on the bat is slower than normal. Is that still the case?

[trim dragon]

my brain is too small

[terse raptor]

Yeah sure

[wintry cypress]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2048062908953956564

Captain PO (@CaptainPO2)

Quoting JUPI (@FoxJupi)
︀
@ImperialHal @ZuniUK Yea, def NO advantages on MNK like; moving at death box, access to all items, and an entire arm to adjust aim. You should ask the World Champion @MonsoonGG what input he uses!

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😂

[dull falcon]

The arm thing is so silly

[wintry cypress]

Fr

[main merlin]

"Faide's Son" Bro just stood there afraid.

[visual bluff]

are they ever gonna fix the super laggy servers in high elo
like the moment u start getting the pred games it's lagging like crazy

[mental ridge]

i like wingmans

[static yacht]

is this a troll post

what the fuck is thgat

[pale scroll]

2 in a row???

[keen scarab]

literally everyone on m&k is a movement head on r5 now

[worn anvil]

Lag switchers is all it is

In terms of high versus low elo lag differences

[wintry cypress]

Probably

[novel loom]

clean lil target switch

[mental ridge]

pew pew

[novel loom]

@hexed inlet that was me on r5

[hexed inlet]

oh

I see

hi

trying out 2304x1440

[novel loom]

Thoughts on it?

[hexed inlet]

really nice

been on 4:3 for likew 3 years or so

everything is so slow

on 16:10

[final forge]

Cursed, try 2560x1600

[empty thistle]

first split on roller finito

just need 500 rp for the 2nd acc too now

[willow hill]

With new matchmaking changes

BREEEEEEEEEZED through diamond lol

2k+ damage in 1/3rd of the games

1k+ damage in 80% of them

Wayyyyyyyyy different than when shit gets constantly interrupted by pred3 stack I just saw play in ALGS

Also if you play roller you’re still soft… had to remind the boys

[final forge]

Repair my mouse and we can talk about playing mnk

[willow hill]

😂😂aye man could be 10000x mouses available

At some point 99.9% of people who played on MNK and swapped to roller know exactly what I’m talking about

Def a certain frustration that they felt they HADDDD to convert

😂😂

[final forge]

No i love my Zeromouse Blade. No controller could ever compete

[visual bluff]

I don't mean other players I mean I am lagging as well as my teammate and most of the people we fight

[final forge]

Normal for master/pred lobbys

[visual bluff]

Yea I realize that it's been happening for like over 6 months
But you would think it doesn't take over half a year to fix something like this

[worn anvil]

Telling you brother it’s just the lag switchers messing with the dedicated servers for higher elo, there are slightly better servers (tho same 20 tick rate) reserved for masters lobbies and they are very often effected as a whole by people lag switching

Ran into a lag switcher just yesterday that made each of my teammates crash as soon as he fought them one by one until same thing to me

But it didn’t crash me fully just had to reconnect my ethernet after fully freezing

[hexed inlet]

Zuni res 🧘‍♂️

[empty thistle]

You’re not getting 15+ master / pred squads most games? 😭

[willow hill]

Up until higher d1 no

But at that point it was chill cause I could afford to get the mental ready to play a few rough games

Being d4 and getting shit on by them is diff than being close to masters and getting shit on by them

[compact fulcrum]

they changed mm so thast only d1 plays with masters and preds i believe

[empty thistle]

Ahh

I hit d1 on both accounts and haven’t really played much this split since apart from past few days

But it’s mostly been that for me 🥲

[empty thistle]

I guess

I forgot how much pain it is to play without a stack until this split

[willow hill]

Yeah I only solo queue

But now I’m chilling my ego is safe

[final forge]

Most people don't even know you can do 2560x1600 or 2560x1920 (4:3), so they run some low blurry res instead

[willow hill]

Again being qualified as masters player being gate kept by preds/ 3 stacks is diff than being d4

[empty thistle]

I never wanna soloq to masters again

[empty thistle]

Honestly I don’t find the pred lobbies that hard

You just play like a bitch and get free top 5 before the change

[willow hill]

From solo queue standpoint or ?

[empty thistle]

It’s when there’s 10 squads ring 5 and you have two drones who can’t shoot a stationary target it’s stressful

Ye soloq

[willow hill]

And if you’re acknowledging that you have to play like a bitch

Then it’s kinda contradictory no?

[empty thistle]

Ye but it’s free points if you play that way

[willow hill]

“Yeah the games are pretty easy… i just never fight”

Who wants to do that though lol

[empty thistle]

Meanwhile the diamond lobbies are hard to win cuz there’s 10 teams in the endgame and you have two idiots with you

[willow hill]

That’s why I brought up the mental part earlier… because you can play like a bitch a couple games

Nah diamond lobbies are easy IMO cause you just win every trade

AND players are more likely to also have idiots

Compared to pred lobbies who are coordinated and less likely to lose trades/fights

[empty thistle]

Idk I always find myself somehow dying to the one multi master 3 stack team

[willow hill]

Oh yeah they def shred and put in work

[empty thistle]

My dia lobbies are just this every game

[willow hill]

But you can definitely feel the difference fighting them

Compared to pros and shit

The master players feel beatable… and you can point to different points you could have done different stuff

Those top preds though? Lol you hit them for 100 they hit you for 200

You hit them for 50 they hit you for 90

[empty thistle]

Doesn’t feel very different to me

[willow hill]

Yeah it def happens to me too

[empty thistle]

Like I’ll peak hit one for 180 and get aped by their teammates cuz both my teammates took 150 / got knocked and dealt 50

Then I just get run down before I can pop a bat

Result is the same

Like with a good stack you can drop 30 kills in those lobbies

Most of the time soloq tho you’re stuck with two ai players fighting the one good team in the lobby

Doesn’t matter I skill diff any of them individually

As a whole they’re just so much more than me, my career d4 and the random plat I’ve been given

[willow hill]

Yeah I just ignore games like that

If my team is obviously just not in there to do shit then it’s cooked can’t get too mad about it

I just try to dominate next matchup/game

Ultimately it’s a team game and if these guys have their monitors off it’s kinda cooked

I try my best to give good comms (which helps a fuck ton - in case anyone doesn’t comm to randoms)

[empty thistle]

I try to avoid soloq and just Smurf or work on my mechanics

But haven’t really had a stack anymore lately

It’s just such a difference man

[willow hill]

Oh I can only imagine

[empty thistle]

I can pick up some random d2s from battlecord ans gain like 200 per hour

Soloq I’m fighting for my life for 100 an hour

[willow hill]

I have this weird thing though where when I play in squads

I can’t really focus on being a beast in the games

Idk…

It’s like a mental block

Where I try to be TOOOOOO team reliant

Or too much of a team player… where in solo queue.. I’m just thinking “I’m best player in lobby let’s get shit done..”

[mental ridge]

how did u break it?

[empty thistle]

I just treat it like soloq+

Only difference is they’ll listen to your comms

You still can’t trust them

But it’s just enough of a difference that you can avoid plats and hard stick d4/d3s plus the comms

[empty thistle]

When is wolf hitting masters again

[mental ridge]

i dropped out of d1 yesterday in the last 2 games and got off

helped a mate from d2 to master tho in the last 2 days

i just need another 1k rp

[empty thistle]

Sounds like you’ve still got time then

Ye ez

[mental ridge]

im a professional diamond hardstuck

[empty thistle]

I’m up like 1k just today across both accounts

Played for 4-5 hours

[empty thistle]

Final push

Let’s not make it a repeat of s27

[mental ridge]

that was FUN

[empty thistle]

Roller refused to play with me anymore and has been stuck d2 ever since lmaooo

[mental ridge]

me and my mates we are really inconsistent
somedays we gain 1000 and the next 2 days we loose 1000

[mental ridge]

lol why

[empty thistle]

I’ll send you the clip

[empty thistle]

Sometimes it be like that

I tilt q soloq lost 1000 rp Saturday

I was getting the biggest specimens I swear to god

Had a d2 bang

Wiped a squad

He just needed to rez me and go ring

Bro runs away from a wiped squad lets me bleed out

Crafts us deep storm

We all die to ring rotating in

When we were literally 10m from it when I wiped the squad and had valk ult

9kp game wasted to top 10

Like I’d killed them all and just got knocked to ring, bro had 0 damage

[novel loom]

Why do we have so many good players in here and so many of us are solo q lol

[mental ridge]

because you cant practice teamplay in aimtrainers

nor can you get gamesense in aimtrainers

[novel loom]

No I meant we can play with each other

[empty thistle]

Aim trainer’s solitary players 🗿

Tbf I’ve played with @quasi delta @mental ridge @rose wraith @hybrid cosmos all from here

[placid root]

free ego boost

[pale scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[visual bluff]

Oh I see what ur saying
Yeah that's my suspicion as well that it's people lagging the servers

Typically when I have seen people say lag switch it to meant people lagging themselves not the server
Sorry was confused what you meant

[placid root]

lowkey kinda clean with it

[novel loom]

we gotta get some games in sometime

[rustic shoal]

1% of faides power

But still le calm movement

Shit is so satisfying when you know how to movement consistently

[placid root]

I won't ever be like him

I got a full time job now

[rustic shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-job-application-get-a-job-akira-job-application-gif-8274337411388777231

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-disappointed-excited-looking-for-food-looking-at-the-fridge-gif-2125175655433136255

[willow hill]

Nice spray on the last kill of first video

[compact fulcrum]

hey guys does anyone have a good guide on lurches? tryna learn them

[main merlin]

I mean I've gotten ex masters with 30k+ kills in soloq too in d4. Just gotta not get tilted at the burgers they give you.

[mental ridge]

well atleast you can oneclip yet have to see a faide oneclip

[polar iris]

is wildcard still a thing

[polar iris]

is this achievable on controller

[bright slate]

riley in apex chat

[polar iris]

u hopping on right?

[analog trail]

not bad not bad 💯

[oak veldt]

do you do copious amounts of smooth tracking to get this nice

[chilly gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/u-talking-about-me-u-talkin-bout-me-u-talking-to-me-ddg-you-talking-about-me-gif-17532450886139251082

[eager echo]

no

[chilly gazelle]

it is

I would know

[wintry cypress]

The aim is

Idk about movement

[pale scroll]

why does maggie ult just destroy gibby shield

like wtf

and why does everything slow so much

it's op

[empty thistle]

For sure

[bright slate]

my pc sucks g

[placid root]

I have 100h on Kovaak's, so no 😭

[placid root]

The movement? No. The aim? Easily.

[polar iris]

Rip

[half salmon]

you can probrably do maybe 2% of it with horizon air strafing

[tight totem]

sonion what is going on in your pfp

[rustic shoal]

attention to fucking detail bro

Wtf

[wintry cypress]

Tbh i knew a guy on controller that was able to tapstrafe and superglide so idk

[placid root]

You can, just with no aim assist 😔

[wintry cypress]

Yea he played without AA

Idk what that has to do with the ability to superglide on roller tho

[placid root]

Turns the touchpad into a scroll wheel

[placid root]

You can superglide anyway

[wintry cypress]

O

[compact fulcrum]

they removed tap strafe on roller a few seasons ago i believe

[tight totem]

roller superglide is so ez

[willow hill]

If on roller you’re soft

[final forge]

controller could never

[willow hill]

Oh nah I’m pretty sure controller can do that

You know it’s funny you bring that type of stuff up

Because for the longest of time I thought controller aim from mid/long range was WAYYY harder than MNK

And I thought controller players were putting in a ton of effort to make sure their long distance aim was good

Nah

Not only is it not that difficult

But the game is specifically designed to have OTHER guns that are just as effective in those distances to compensate for any imaginary false narratives I painted in my head

Triple take/3030/snipers

[empty thistle]

I mean rollers not thatttt hard

It just sucks at flicking

You can still get Jade level tracking just fine with the sticks

Got my second account to masters today

Also killed all 3 of zhidans ranked squad by ratting them on mythic 😂

[wild sedge]

when is a new apex map expected?

[quaint karma]

yeah i wish those guns were nerfed

makes any gunskill for long range on controller kinda meaningless

this goes in general but

i hate that people can crutch that shit

[novel loom]

Where’s the clip

[novel loom]

I heard potentially next season so in like 8 days

[wild sedge]

what

noway

[willow hill]

Unfortunately apex is controller game

So not happening twin

[empty thistle]

it aint pretty

only realised who it was when they killed me the following game

game was 10 pred squads 5 masters so I wanted them gone as soon I saw they were kill leader lol

[final forge]

what is that mic

[empty thistle]

It’s the recording it’s not that bad ingame

I do need a new headset tho

Bruh I was so scared we were gonna lose even tho it was 2v3 😭

Allu is a peak d3 without playing with me and other guy was a battlecord random with diamond badges

[final forge]

fair but you need to put more pressure on them after it's a 3v2. You just went back to your old spot that has no real leverage on them

[mental ridge]

holy shit you guys griefed them and yourself so hard. no fucking way. you dont belong in masters

[novel loom]

sick 1 clip

i mean hey u killed a world champ

resume worthy

[willow hill]

Holy

[mental ridge]

there are better ways to kill pros

like wideswing them so hard they miss everything

[willow hill]

One clip and my boy don’t belong in masters

[mental ridge]

because bias strafe is peak

[willow hill]

Sheesh

[wild sedge]

whats the best way to aim train for apex?

r5, firing range, wildcard?

[mental ridge]

id say all 3 kombined with a tracking heavy kovaaks

r5 gives you the opportunity to have many 1vs1 bu netcode and strafe speeds are a bit funky there

firingrange 1vs1 gives you the opportunity to 1vs1 with guns of choice

wildcard helps you navigate chaos but mostly against mid controller players

and kovaaks incase your raw mousecontrol isnt where you want it to be

[wild sedge]

you got a good kovaaks playlist?

im vt diamond

[novel loom]

smoothness/reactivity will do you pretty well @wild sedge

[mental ridge]

jade palace is good from what i hear

anyone down for quake lg / apex 1v1?

[wild sedge]

can you send the link?

[mental ridge]

KovaaKsStartingLavenderArmorshard

[lusty mauve]

can anyone recommend scenarios to get insane at r99

i'm good with ARs and volt smg but my r9 is terrible

[final forge]

Then play the r9?

[willow hill]

Thought I lost the chat

Twin here’s what I recommend for r9 training

Go to the training grounds… flick to target and readjust as fast as you can on target

And then smoothly track the dude

And then work on your recoil control on the gun

That’s all you have to do

Do those two things for 15 minutes before you play and you’re chillin

[wild sedge]

recommended cm for apex?

im playing around 30cm ish but im having a hard time tracking enemies that run out of my sight

[bright slate]

that should be fine

[tight totem]

40-60 is alwways good generally

im on 30 aas well

[bright slate]

60 is way too low bro

[tight totem]

good point

maybe 50

but id def say that 30cm isnt very optimal

unless preferred

[wild sedge]

idk i even think i need something faster

[lost fulcrum]

soloq makes me want to quit the game how do i get teamates doing literally 0 dmg😭

[wild sedge]

anyone has tips on how to convert the shit i learn in firing range a real game

cus my recoil control etc is actually really good

but i struggle to win 1v1s

cus i feel overpressured

[lost fulcrum]

just play a lot bro and you will see it translate

and don’t just play mindlessly

[wild sedge]

idk i was stomping till diamond

im d1 now and i literally lose every 1v1

[dull falcon]

Just br super concious what ur doing in game. U might die in the process of being intentional in the moment but it will become second hand

[visual bluff]

apex isnt like most games
the exact point varies from season to season but rn it's D1 where its like an insane jump in difficulty
in most other games it would be like 2 or 3 ranks of difference

[lost fulcrum]

and you already know the matchmaking is never getting fixed😭

[visual bluff]

it's basically unsolvable unless u force soloq in high ranks
theres too many players in one game and it makes it hard to make fair lobbies
or apex would need like 5x the players

[bright slate]

they should try that

diamond+ is soloq

[visual bluff]

just master+ is enough
the problem is 3 pro players will never be a lobby thats fair for them to be there
or not in ranked that lobby exists it's called pro league

in other games like if it's 5v5 u might actually be able to make a lobby of 10 pro players
in apex finding 60? nah it's not happening

[lost fulcrum]

very true

i just need competent teammates who can hold their weight😭

[visual bluff]

to a lesser degree this applies to just like pred players and masters

[lost fulcrum]

i’ll have to see what it’s like when i get there only started playing this season

[bright slate]

even in 5v5 its hard to get all pros

[visual bluff]

if ur new to game honestly just focus on doing what you can to take lots of fights and win them and avoid doing really dumb stuff

soloq is rough but it's a decent learning environment and shouldnt really hold you back until higher ranks
u will be better for it if u can carry the randoms in the lower ranks

[bright slate]

dont take fights mindlessly

they need a reason

[visual bluff]

very true
but they can at least get some on each team then get like other very good near pro players usually
u never have the like random 9 to 5 guy who plays on the weekends having to fight Donk

which is what happens in apex all the time

[bright slate]

that also has to do with how apex does ranked

[lost fulcrum]

i can feel myself getting better got up to d3 so far but my teammates skills have just stayed the same since like gold

i’m just going to keep grinding until i can carry them further

[visual bluff]

if it's your first season and your already D3 your doing great
just keep playing u will be fine

[lost fulcrum]

yeah thanks

hoping to find a solid 3 stack eventually to go higher with

[pale scroll]

master or buns

(im also d3)

[visual bluff]

yea i mean there is an insane skill gap between d3 and master
this season master isnt that hard though there are lot of masters players
some seasons it's more difficult then others where being master wasnt far off pred like season 13
if the i played more then once a week I wouldnt have any issues but the 9 to 5 got me busy

[bright slate]

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now we have neon in apex

wonderful

[empty thistle]

We had an alter and a wraith both with their ults up, all we needed was for them to run into zone and nexus / portal me

Both of them stood still in ring 3

We should never die there

For killing them

The only reason we died was they took nexus and both stood still on it as ring 3 closed not wraith portal into ring or alter run into ring and place a new nexus

You also can’t say I don’t belong in masters when the last time you hit it was duoqing with me for 1000rp on the last day 😭

[empty thistle]

Tbf anyone can kill anyone with the right pre setting in br

I’ve third party killed Hal once or twice

[empty thistle]

Yeah I see what you mean

[empty thistle]

Only 10k masters rn tbf

[visual bluff]

i just mean there has been seasons with like under 5k

season 13 and i think one of the splits of 20 or 21

[empty thistle]

Those are the two hardest splits ever

Most good seasons are 12-16k masters

The weak seasons have like 30-100k

Then meme seasons like 12 and 17 had 100s of thousands

[visual bluff]

yea ik
im just saying it's not that bad rn
there have been seasons where it was way harder

[empty thistle]

Ye but I don’t think this one is particularly easy unless the numbers really change over the next week

Like you can’t just say it’s easy cuz it’s not as hard as the two hardest splits ever out of like 50 splits

It could be a 25k season as we have a week left tbh

But rn I don’t think it’s conclusive

[visual bluff]

to be clear im not saying it's easy im just saying it's not that hard

[final forge]

Master + would not be enough, solo q would have to be diamond+ otherwise you will always be filled with 3 stacks.
Also the entire ranked system is too easy, too forgiving resulting in any top player running down the lobby. Its not that there aren‘t enough good players to fill a competetive lobby.

[empty thistle]

I dont think its that easy its just a result of the skill range within top lobbies

realistically no one below top 6 is gaining points

and you gain fuck all if you're not top 4 with 4+ kp

if you had 20 similarly skilled teams it would be hard af

u can only consistently gain if you gap most of the lobby

or top 5 streak rat I guess

[mental ridge]

you fell off after that...

now youre on controller and grief other teams to have 1 higher placement than them... youre the perfect casestudy of how aimassist corrupts and deteriorates the human brain /s

[final forge]

You dont have to have 20 similar skilled teams, season 13 is a prime example of that. It was hard back then and every fight was a massive risk. It simply didn't matter how good an enemy team was, even against a plat team you could get knocked 3rd partied and so on. It was very calculated, every move important no margin of error. You had to proof that you are better than others, not once a game through winning a fight but by outperforming them over 10 games.

People who haven't played back then can't fathom the feeling of getting top 3 just to go +- 0 let alone loosing points while getting t5 with kp

[empty thistle]

Bruh my team just needed more than 2 combined brain cells to place the nexus in zone or wraith ult into zone and we’d have kp and able to continue the game as normal 😭

[empty thistle]

That’s what I mean, it’s just a ridiculous system to account for the fact that the skill range in lobbies is too big

In no way should 15% of the teams in a lobby be able to gain points for that match

[final forge]

More would gain but the higher your own rank was the more points you would loose, it was a decent system. If you were the highest ranked player in the lobby you would have to proof it and if you were just average even 10th place could get you some points

[empty thistle]

I’m not really a fan of that system from how it sounds not that I’ve played it

S20 split 1 with increasing entry cost for pred for every 1000rp sounds like the best to me

Have current system with diamond be -75 basically

[final forge]

s13 had increasing entry cost with kp cap

but it also had it flaws like the imbalance of rp lost per match so some plat teams would randomly push because of low entry cost

[empty thistle]

Part of me dislikes locking masters and preds together like they do rn late split cuz it makes getting masters too easy

Just have to beat diamonds for it

[empty thistle]

Ye getting randomly inted doesn’t sound great

[final forge]

It was a rare case but still an issue

Still the best system ever, every game was intense the best players fighting for top spots

But the biggest part was time was not important skill was

[empty thistle]

I’m guessing putting all the bad players in gold and below wasn’t popular with the casuals tho

[final forge]

The timing was bad s12 was one of the easiest seasons followed by the hardest

The Distribution was fairly good, most players high gold-plat.
Now even diamond players dont know how to play the game, or I should rather say even diamond players actively sabotage their own game by questionable plays.

[novel loom]

They need to change the ranks from bronze to plat being a participation trophy. Raise entry costs on lower ranks. There need to be a clear skill disparity on each rank. This would likely nuke queues in diamond+ which may be part of the reason they don’t want to change it

[final forge]

I agree, the entry cost should be equal for all ranks

[mental ridge]

just put a rank inbetween diamond and master and a rank inbetween master and pred that is assigned to the higher ranked half of masters.

that way the casuals can keep their free diamond badge but get gatekept from higher ranked lobbies

the problem is the majority of masters dont have a reason to play

[final forge]

Thats just 2 new meaningless ranks, they need to completely redesign the system and introduce completely new ranks for a fresh start

[mental ridge]

well i thought its obvious im talking of a deeper redesign of the system

[willow hill]

No sarcasm here btw.. if you on roller you soft

[final forge]

such a weak argument, you play to play your rank should only display your skill. Look at league, look at cs you get jack shit and both games are still played 24/7

[mental ridge]

? masters reach master and stop playing

because the next step pred is too much of a time investment

[lusty vault]

Jon still in here

[final forge]

but it has to be completely new ranks, new names new colours otherwise the names stay asociated to a certain skill that might not be accurate anymore

[lusty vault]

The goat

[final forge]

so you think league players top playing after reaching gold because it represents their skill level?

[willow hill]

Think apex has a slight ego inflating ranked problem lol

[mental ridge]

its kind of hard to come up with completely new ranks since bronze to diamond are quiet common across every video game with ranked.

thats why i would suggest just adding new ranks to extract the better diamond players out of diamond and the dynamic grandmaster rank to make atleast half the masters actively play for it throughout the season

[willow hill]

There are a ton of diamond players who shouldn’t be diamond

There are actual master players who shouldn’t be masters

It’s pretty much across every rank lol

Idk if they’ll ever address that but when they finally decide to take the bullet and say “alright guys we’re gonna develop an actual ranked system that actually places you where you belong based on your skill” it’ll be better

[final forge]

most players don't play to reach a rank, they play to. have fun or improve, this wont cahnge anything.
Majority of master players stop because the skill gap is so big, they can play diamond level lobbys fairly well rank up and all of a sudden not a single fight is winnable

[willow hill]

Yup

[mental ridge]

well golds in leave dont stop

diamonds in apex don't stop either but alot of masters see no point in playing when pred is practically unreachable

a gold in lol has the perspective of getting to platinum wich isnt a top750 rank thats gained by alot of grinding

[mental ridge]

if they had a rank to chase they would continue playing

diamond bots get also shit on in diamond lobbies and stay hardstuck

[willow hill]

I think that’s true too

A goal in mind would help

To make the pain of getting gapped a little bit easier

Think it can be both

Idk if you need to add the ranks tho… just put people where they belong lol

[final forge]

most preds are master players with a lot of time, pred itself is probably close to master than master to diamond

[mental ridge]

thats why you introduce new ranks

[lusty vault]

There does not need to be a rank between master and predator

They tried that with master already

[mental ridge]

i disagree

i know alot of master players that could barely gain

[willow hill]

Ima keep it a buck idk where yall be getting this from

[final forge]

that was a needed addition to limit the amount of pred slots (t500 or t750 now)

[willow hill]

A fringe masters player

And a pred is worlds apart lmao

Like I get what you’re saying but I just don’t agree

[lusty vault]

A fringe masters player becomes pred with time

[willow hill]

Nah

[lusty vault]

That is how you get better

[mental ridge]

we need a dynamic rank not a static rank unless you want preds to mainly play against players weaker than masters

[willow hill]

Well if you’re gonna improve yeah

But the idea behind saying a “pred is masters with time”

Mainly is about them being able to constantly be online to make points

I’m talking about mechanical ability

[empty thistle]

I feel like a lot of pred is having a good stack too

[willow hill]

They are not the same

If someone is a constant masters/ pred type of dude

[empty thistle]

You can take most diamonds to masters but you can’t take anyone to climb consistently in masters

[willow hill]

Then fine I can give you that

But there are a ton of masters players who barely touch it

Let’s not pretend if they had a little more time theyre the same as sang or someshit

[lusty vault]

Sang became sang with time though no?

[mental ridge]

a diamond is also a master with time

a plat is a diamond with time

a gold is a plat with time

basically a rookie is a pred with time

[willow hill]

I already just shit on that logic bro

Lol why did you just repeat that

[lusty vault]

I feel like that logic is unshittable?

[willow hill]

If a player is gonna improve with the time then fine you got me

[lusty vault]

It’s literally how you improve

[willow hill]

But then they would fall out of the bracket

No.. merely having extra time is not how you improve

[final forge]

a "true pred" is leagues above yes but any master level player can get pred after understanding the game. I bet I can make anyone that can get to master a pred player by leading them through a game. Mecanical skill is not that important, at least not now (it used to be diffrent)

[mental ridge]

so preds should face rookies because thats how rookies improve

[willow hill]

If you’re hitting me with some “infinite amount of universes” type of shit

Just stop lol

Like that’s the ultimate extreme of the logic you’re using

[lusty vault]

I can’t tell if we’re being dunce on purpose

Tough convo to have

[willow hill]

A little bit but only because it’s like you’re not trying to understand my point

When I read “a masters player is a pred who doesn’t have time” and “he’d be pred if he had more time”

I look at that as the difference being that he does not have the amount of time to beat the other players in the point accumulation race

[mental ridge]

i bet u cant get me to pred. wanna proove me wrong next season?

[lusty vault]

Hit pred rn

[willow hill]

The difference is taken away from the skill gap between the two players

But I wanted to focus on the players skill gap

Instead of the fact that yes it does require extra time to constantly make points and keep yourself higher than everyone else in points

[empty thistle]

Ye tbf 80% or more of master never reach 17k

[willow hill]

Please read what I wrote and try to understand

[empty thistle]

I think it’s like 1.5k or something most seasons

[willow hill]

And if you don’t want to

Pls stop participating

[empty thistle]

I wonder how many masters players are actually like alternate accounts tho

[willow hill]

Because I feel like I’ve made my point really easy to follow and if you’d like to talk about it… atleast come into the convo being genuine a little

[empty thistle]

Like I usually have 2-3 accounts there per split

I’ve had friends that have as many as 4-5

And there’s boosting services

And cheaters getting banned then gettign back there

[lusty vault]

I’m a plat 4 merchant

[willow hill]

Sorry for ignoring the message… I’m 50/50 on this… I will say my main point was talking about mechanics and I can def see a world where you’re able to turn a master player into pred by having him learn the game

I just don’t think it happens like that in game lol

More people tend to just get disgustingly good at shooting

They do work on the macro of the game ofc

But more often than not you can point to mechanical improvements as to why they were able to make such a big climb

Whether it’s consistency/ synergy/ follow up/

[empty thistle]

Idk most masters I’ve known aren’t that good mechanically

[lusty vault]

^

[empty thistle]

Even some preds

[lusty vault]

I disagree with that point I think most people climb on macro

Solely

Very rare you run into a demon

[willow hill]

🤷🏽‍♂️aye then it is what it is

I think if you could find a way to see their damage in trades

In simple trades

[empty thistle]

My friend was ex multi pred and he rocks a big 300 elo on r5 with 37% acc

[willow hill]

They’d have the highest damage in trades amongst any other rank

Can he shoot in game bro

Idc about r5 /vt bench/aimlabs

Those tend to be good ways to see if someone is a demon ofc I won’t deny that

But sometimes people just click with the actual game

And they have it figured out on that game

[lusty vault]

I guess it depends on what we classify as mechanics

Most in game trades are not mechanically intensive

[mental ridge]

how much apex do you play and how often do you lfg for randoms? i feel like you have a biased perspective

[lusty vault]

Holding m2 with a hemlock on a guy zoom locked

[lusty vault]

Almost none and never

So mostly likely yes

My perspective is extremely skewed

[empty thistle]

I mean I think most of fights ingame come down to things other than raw mechanics, it’s why mnk can compete when it can’t in r5

[lusty vault]

I would say learning how to angle out fights is like macro

Not even mechanics

But that is me personally

[willow hill]

Maybe we’re disconnecting from what we consider mechanics

[lusty vault]

I’m willing to go either way

[willow hill]

And I can def have the wrong idea on what that is

[mental ridge]

in ranked the most important skill is pressure tempo and having balls

[final forge]

*Holding LT

[willow hill]

I read this and think well that’s actually proof that mechanics is the importwnt piece

Because to me shooting is mechanics

The most important mechanic matter fact

[mental ridge]

lt and rt

[willow hill]

But I could just have a misunderstanding and classifying things where they shouldn’t be

[empty thistle]

Ability to take angles and spacing in fights has way more impact than raw aim imo

[willow hill]

Lol idk

I don’t want to sound like that type of stuff is NOT important

[empty thistle]

I’ve known plenty of players that are shit at 1v1s shit out damage in br

[willow hill]

Because it is

[lusty vault]

If you’re peeking 3 people idc how good your aim is you are getting bodied

[mental ridge]

yes and no

it can be assumed that anybody reaching master is good enought to shoot a gun somewhat effectively

and the way you use your gun tends to be the deciding factor

[willow hill]

1000%

To nunu^

[final forge]

Mhh id say its the other way arround. A lot of hard shooters never gain since they lack a basic understanding. When i play with randoms from lfg servers (still pred players) most of the time they are not shooting hard while playing overly passive to actually gain

[empty thistle]

I’m probably still worse ingame on roller than mnk rn and my aim is significantly better due to aim assist

[willow hill]

Pred players playing passively

[lusty vault]

If you ever need an inter lmk

[willow hill]

Maybe now with system change

[lusty vault]

I get mine

[mental ridge]

wtf what kind of preds do you find?

[lusty vault]

This is just allocating mental bandwidth to an input that isn’t a subconscious process

[willow hill]

Lol yeah it’s tough to really make any ground ig

Think we just all have ideological differences

[empty thistle]

There’s tons of them

People just imagine them as the ones running down the lobby they see killing them

[willow hill]

Because it’s like if we play diff games 😂

[mental ridge]

@willow hill how much experience do you have playing against and with preds and what are the ranks you ususally achive

[willow hill]

Masters

And been playing against preds for every season I play (I take breaks sometimes for seasons)

All solo queue

[mental ridge]

aids

[willow hill]

Crazy enough solo queue is more enjoyable to me than trios in this game

[empty thistle]

Maybe, I find cuz my flicks are so much weaker it’s harder to reposition rapidly in fights and to gather info

[willow hill]

Maybe I haven’t found the right fit for me team wise

But I can never focus on my shooting when I play with other people

[mental ridge]

but ngl only playing solo queue prevents you from getting good

team ordination is a important skill

[mental ridge]

because teamplay is hard

[willow hill]

Maybe.. id argue the opposite again lol

Team coordination is jmportant

But solo queue has enabled me to not make any excuses or have any crutches

And I’ve been able to work on my aim and get it to be top tier

[final forge]

Same for me and i feel line i will never be ultimately better on either input

[mental ridge]

well you cant 3stack and thats what you would need to be good at to be able to push for pred

[willow hill]

Maybe.. that’s what I’d need to hit pred

But I also think I can still fine tune my aim even more lol

[mental ridge]

aim isnt that important

if you win fights mainly because of your aim you gamesense is questionable

[willow hill]

I think if I can get my current ceiling on aim as my floor

[empty thistle]

Soloq is kinda zzz

[willow hill]

I’d be chillin

[empty thistle]

You either follow your team and hard carry every fight

[willow hill]

Now wha are the chances of that happening? Virtually 0 but that’s the goal

[empty thistle]

Or igl them to play like a scavenger

[final forge]

Oh you would be suprised. Especially with alter some would not dare to even look at an enemy without a super safe alter ult in range.

[willow hill]

Eh idk if that’s necessarily passive

Or atleast super passive

I imagined you meant they were ratting and shit

So I guess that’s on me

[lusty vault]

That’s pretty passive

Does emp destroy caustic traps

[mental ridge]

i think so

[willow hill]

I feel like that’s more of them abusing a broken ass champion

That aids them in not losing points

It’s dumb but when you consider how often you can have these things around you

It’s probably 1-2 fights you’ll miss out on per game waiting for the safety net?

And the rest they’ll be taking ? I don’t know if that’s really passive

[empty thistle]

I mean if you’re top3 on average, any kp after 6 is worth 4-8pts depending on if you assisted

Min maxing extra fights aren’t worth the risk for maximum rp per hour

[willow hill]

Would you do it against gold players?

[empty thistle]

If my main goal was rp above everything else still would

Cuz dying in 15th once every 2 hours is a 300rp diff

-90 rather than +200

[mental ridge]

no because we can easily 1v3 true gold players

[empty thistle]

Kinda boring tho icl

[willow hill]

So if you’re a lot better than your opponents

You’d just throw all the game sense shit out the window

Crazy

[final forge]

Ok imagine this. Top3 last 2 teams are fighting but my teammates dont want to join because we have no alter ult up

[willow hill]

That’s troll

If they’re doing that.. you’re right I’d classify it as pretty passive

That happens a lot?

Or are we just talking about one offs

[empty thistle]

Wolfs idea of playing the game is to ape w key even similarly skilled players lol

[willow hill]

Where the dude is at like 95% and Hess like “Yoo wait for my ult cause it’s only a few seconds off@

[empty thistle]

That’s just insane wtf

[final forge]

Its pretty common. Maybe not in final rings but some straight up dont want to take 3rd parties

[empty thistle]

Cuz they’re scared of 4th parties?

[mental ridge]

because mechanics are one thing

gamesense as in pacing used to create pressure with high tempo can give you many advantages

if you give enemies to much freedom so they can do what they want youre giving them to much control over the fight

if your herd them in and Position yourself in a position where you limit their freedome you have power over them

the biggest advantage you can have is catching the off guard b4 they can structure and position themselves together properly

[empty thistle]

I agree being proactive is the highest level of play

But against diamonds you can just sit in a power position and let them ties themselves up with the space you give them

Often one will just walk out of position and then you can ape him for free

[novel loom]

League is a good comparison. Ranking up even from silver to gold or gold to plat has meaning and feels rewarding. There are players that have played for years and are hardstuck in lower ranks on league and that’s okay because they just aren’t there skill wise . As hiswattson said himself respawn needs to pick a side, cater the game to be super casual where everyone wins and gets a trophy or make it competitive such as league or cs where ranks have meaning and you have to really scrutinize your gameplay to go up.

[willow hill]

Yeah

It’s gonna be a little tougher than league because league has wins and losses being the determining factor of how you gain your points

Whereas apex is a lot more fluid

But I think ranking up just needs to be a little harsher lol

For me to hit masters in league I had to go through yearsssssss of improving a bunch of different things

In apex? Just played the game.. got to a diamond level naturally and then aim trained for one- months

Gg

[empty thistle]

Did you hit masters in apex before or after tho

[willow hill]

Before or after what

Hitting masters in league?

[empty thistle]

Ye

[willow hill]

After

[empty thistle]

I think it’s a lot easier to be good at other games if you’ve been good at one before even if it’s not directly transferable

Ability usage, teamplay, snowballing, strangling the other team once you have a lead, how to reflect etc all transfer

[willow hill]

1000%

You won’t see me disagree with that.. idk if that really disproves the ease of ranked play in apex compared to other established ranked systems

[empty thistle]

I agree apex diamond is piss easy

But I think masters is still decently hard

Average split there’s like 16k of them out of maybe a few million players

And a lot of them will be alt accounts / cheaters

[willow hill]

Thinking more on it… I don’t completely hate the take that getting masters is decently hard even compared to other games

I just think about the layers of diff ways I had to improve on other things lol

Compared to this and I’m like damn it wasn’t anywhere near the same

In league I’m worried about so many diff things

In apex? Hit target more than he hits me lol that is all

Well not all but majority.. it’s like 25% don’t be in dumb spots and 75% hit him more than he hits me

[empty thistle]

They’re just different games

Doesn’t mean it’s necessarily easier

I’d still argue the mental stack in apex is pretty high at the highest level

Just ranked is pretty brain dead

[final forge]

Absolutely, pubs for the casuals and ranked competetive, right now both modes are neither casual friendly nor competetive

[final forge]

Apex itself would be a pretty hard game if the rounds were actually played till last zone

[willow hill]

Fair

[willow hill]

Fair as well… I do think there’s a version of the game that can exist that can be extremely difficult

And again I don’t want to make it seem like I’m saying it’s a walk in the park on a sunny day

[willow hill]

We just don’t have that currently

[novel loom]

Apex is so funny, I can litterally waddle around the map, one hand in a bag of Doritos and by chance land myself in top 5 and go positive rp from every rank until to plat lol. Like what?

[willow hill]

Look at that

My boy got the hand in the Doritos and he hitting plat

😂😂😂

He on the IG feed and he almost diamond

😂😂

[empty thistle]

even in low plat I’d argue

Land far away and just zone out and watch Netflix

[novel loom]

fr bro lmao

and those are your diamond teammates 😭

i remember i used to have a duo crypto that i used to play with and the free masters season ( i forget which season) he joined a discord dedicated to ratting and these guys had the most elite ratting strategies. Shit was insane, he ended up high pred that season just from ratting. At some point the dev team really sat down and designed that system thinking it was a good system

[lusty vault]

That’s me bro

[empty thistle]

Actually bro, using the sit in a bin glitch to hit pred with 0 damage takes a lot of skill and tactical genius 🤓

[lusty vault]

I agree

[empty thistle]

Shit like this is why we get s17

https://x.com/leothelion25/status/2048854160204865546?s=46&t=ryWMv4Kp5EIzIiFdlZsxoA

Leo_the_Lion25 (@LeotheLion25)

Pred lobby and we won all for 86 RP. Winning games should reward you more RP or refund the entry cost at least. Doesn't matter if we got 1-5 kills. A Wins a win and this was not easy.

X · Apr 27, 2026, 7:57 PM

[willow hill]

:/

[lusty vault]

582 dam

[willow hill]

If that guy got his aim up

I bet you his opinion changes

🤷🏽‍♂️

[lusty vault]

Confidence*

[empty thistle]

I’ve played with him multiple times while soloqing actually

Wasn’t fun to play with

[lusty vault]

You gotta be low T to post a 4 kill 600 dam game and complain

I can’t lie

[empty thistle]

He’s the guy with 1 kill 😭

[lusty vault]

My bad 1k dam game

[final forge]

He should be happy, in s13 that game would have lost top players rp

[empty thistle]

I only got 86rp for one kill and winning the game 😡😡

It took skill I didn’t just hide until last team I swear!!

[lusty vault]

That game was so hard I had to 3p last two teams!!!

It was not easy!

[empty thistle]

4 respawns

So they lost 2 team fights too 😭

[willow hill]

I’m cool if the dude said that type of shit in VC or something

[empty thistle]

Like bro I could only watch Netflix for half the game wtf

[willow hill]

One of those “damn I ain’t do shit this game” comments

But a whole post? :/

[empty thistle]

The post is complaining he didn’t get more points lol

And to change the ranked system

Homie needs to take the free 100 points and go next

[willow hill]

That’s what I’m saying… he needa just say that in VC real quick and move on

[normal flame]

reactive tracking put to the test

also just learned whatever weapon u put as 1 thats the one that u pull out upon landing

[bright slate]

black screen highlights

[willow hill]

That shit sounded mad good tho no?

😂😂😂😂

[keen scarab]

thank god the alter was able to reset this team 2 million times to secure them the win 🫶

[lusty vault]

https://tenor.com/view/stevie-wonder-gif-3251902549730738673

[empty thistle]

I see what you meant by the late season low diamond being free

Like 2k damage average per game lol

[willow hill]

Who

[placid root]

I love health bars

[tight totem]

any dias

i want to play with new people

[lost fulcrum]

add me im d3

if u want

[tight totem]

i alr got off

im down tmrw

actually lowkey

@lost fulcrum is 1hr fine with u

i dont want to play too late

[lost fulcrum]

sure whenever

[tight totem]

lets go now

[lost fulcrum]

send steam code

[tight totem]

416508729

[lost fulcrum]

sent

[main merlin]

im soo fucking bad for someone with 3k hours in apex

[static yacht]

everyone improves at their own rate

[tight totem]

@lost fulcrumggs

🛏️

[lost fulcrum]

thanks for games

[tight totem]

u2

[lusty vault]

I’m plat bro

[atomic plover]

@bright slate

[bright slate]

@atomic plover

[oak veldt]

how bad is caustic

i have only been playing him

[oak veldt]

me too man

[analog trail]

Brain assist > aim assist

[oak veldt]

this is insane

[analog trail]

thank you

[oak veldt]

what do i play to get like this

[empty thistle]

Idk someone I talked to about it earlier

Rc filter is out today for my controller

Time to start cheating like Hal, akku and nekosu

[analog trail]

I usually play these

specifically #2 and #3