aiming per minute on targets that have no brain
#apex
dawn bloom
pale scroll
aiming per minute on targets that have no brain
you can't dodge midair
so pgt always transfers basically 1 to 1
bright slate
pgt isnt a good trainer for that imo
pale scroll
pgt isnt a good trainer for that imo
as long as it's smoothness tbh, they're all very similar
wintry cypress
how lol
dawn bloom
u play aim train cus u suck and once u play like 50h you see improvement then going back fully convinced that it helps them
wintry cypress
its a smooth arcing motion its as good as any
pale scroll
u play aim train cus u suck and once u play like 50h you see improvement then go...
not really
if ur playing only aim trainers ur just dumb
and not looking for in game
dawn bloom
then u return to the game u main just to realize ur dogshit
pale scroll
nobody that actually tries to get better plays 50 hours of aim trainer w/ no game
if anything it's more like 50 hours of aim trainer to 200 hours game
so ur just fighting a strawman buddy
dawn bloom
nobody that actually tries to get better plays 50 hours of aim trainer w/ no gam...
uh
i never said that no game part
pale scroll
u play aim train cus u suck and once u play like 50h you see improvement then go...
"once you play like 50h then going back"
how are you going back if u were playing both?
dawn bloom
then going back to ur main game and seeing improvement
pale scroll
'main game'
kovaaks should never be the main game if u want transferrable improvement
dawn bloom
what is ur point
pale scroll
what is ur point
that ur fighting a strawman
dawn bloom
i'm talking about aim trainers in general
pale scroll
and missing the point of aim trainers entirely b.c. of it
pale scroll
i'm talking about aim trainers in general
is playing exclusively aim trainers good? Obviously not lmao
but if ur using it as supplemental to game they are fantastic
they don't teach dodge... that's where you go to r5 or ow1v1s or quake
still, not the game
dawn bloom
?
dawn bloom
can you reply to what you're trying to prove wrong
dawn bloom
you start aim training because you're bad at aiming and want 2 improve
pale scroll
you start aim training because you're bad at aiming and want 2 improve
yes?
and I did improve from it
dawn bloom
you don't aim well - discover kovaaks start shooting on bots then they return to main game and seeing some sort of improvement
js wait im not done im on mobile
let me type
then they return to their main game after spending way more time then they should on kovaaks
only 2 realize they have lost skill in main game
pale scroll
then they return to their main game after spending way more time then they shoul...
ok so ur fighting a strawman like I said
ur fighting ppl making mistakes
pale scroll
only 2 realize they have lost skill in main game
and they won't lose all skill either
only if they were complete dog and had none in the beginning
pale scroll
can*
dawn bloom
and they won't lose all skill either
You don't understand
ok
so tell me
what is ur main game
pale scroll
finals
dawn bloom
i'm just saying aim training is subpar compared to just playing and grinding the game you want to be good at AFTER learning the basic fundamentals of aim training
pale scroll
i'm just saying aim training is subpar compared to just playing and grinding the...
define basic fundamentals
because it wasn't for me
dawn bloom
mouse control sens click timing
pale scroll
mouse control sens click timing
ok
so u could be vt bronze then?
and still have the basic fundamentals in your opinion?
dawn bloom
what
dawn bloom
so u could be vt bronze then?
?
pale scroll
?
"mouse control sens click timing"
you said understand the fundamentals
this is knowledge? not skill?
bright slate
i'm just saying aim training is subpar compared to just playing and grinding the...
wrong
its supplementary
pale scroll
what level do you consider as having the fundamentals
dawn bloom
are u implying rank = fundamentals
pale scroll
are u implying rank = fundamentals
I'm trying to understand what you mean by fundamentals
do you mean a certain skill level or just basic knowledge?
Can a bronze have the fundamentals down in your eyes?
pale scroll
fair
bright slate
IF you were to put a rank on it
dawn bloom
fundamentals = baseline ability, not optimized performance. like being able to track smoothly, control your sens, and click with decent timing. vt rank measures how consistent and optimized you are in specific scenarios, not whether you have fundamentals at all. you can have those basics and still be bronze if you don’t grind or specialize. and in apex you build those fundamentals just by playing anyway, so aim training is more supplementary than necessary.
bright slate
aimtrain = mouse control
mousecontrol = objectively good
pale scroll
fundamentals = baseline ability, not optimized performance. like being able to t...
what is smooth
how do you measure that?
how good is decent?
dawn bloom
smooth = continuous controlled cursor movement without jitter overcorrection or micro stalling
pale scroll
smooth = continuous controlled cursor movement without jitter overcorrection or ...
then nobody is smooth
nobody can do that
dawn bloom
??
where are you seeing
smooth doesn't mean 0 error
relatively controlled movement ?
pale scroll
relatively controlled movement ?
relative to what?
what's the baseline?
how much jerkiness is allowed?
you can't answer because there is no answer
you're just talking outta your ass really
bright slate
must do 90 degree angle snaps to track
pale scroll
use an objective term if u want a real discussion
not something subjective like you keep doing
dawn bloom
baseline = when your mouse control stops being the limiting factor in simple tracking
pale scroll
baseline = when your mouse control stops being the limiting factor in simple tra...
simple
what is simple?
simple ad?
there's never a point where it doesn't limit you in some way
dawn bloom
ok what exact threshold defines fundamentals then? what vt rank? what score?
dawn bloom
why are u avoiding the main argument
pale scroll
why are u avoiding the main argument
which is
dawn bloom
simple = lowcomplexity tracking no recoil no erratic movement if you can control your aim there you have baseline fundamentals
bright slate
ok what exact threshold defines fundamentals then? what vt rank? what score?
again
if you were to put a rank on having all fundamentals down
i think jade would be it
dawn bloom
which is
once ur aim isn't the main holdback once u learn how to move a mouse is when aim training becomes supplementary
pale scroll
once ur aim isn't the main holdback once u learn how to move a mouse is when aim...
that's.. what we've been saying
it's supplementary
pale scroll
that's legit what i've been saying this entire time
no
you've been saying it's pointless past a certain point
that point being not a complete shitter
dawn bloom
ok so
willow hill
bout to play
bright slate
you said it was subpar past a point
willow hill
hope my wrist is chill
dawn bloom
learning the basic fundamentals
willow hill
so i can one clip folks
pale scroll
learning the basic fundamentals
again
I consider what ur describing as basic below the fundamentals
that's just moving a fucking mouse
that's not aiming
dawn bloom
??
dawn bloom
subpar = bad
so this is just not a good follow up
are you implying
you should aimtrain to get better and it is very much needed
bright slate
needed = no
bad? = also no
isolated training is good
why is this hard to understand
dawn bloom
and subpar does not mean bad btw
google is free
it's worse than just playing the game u want to main
cus u just become a brick and have no game sense
rose wraith
100 hours of aim trainers + 900 apex hours >>>>> 1000 apex hours
bright slate
cus u just become a brick and have no game sense
literally who said to only play aimtrainers
?
rose wraith
literally who said to only play aimtrainers
Usual straw man to justify never touching it
dawn bloom
100 hours of aim trainers + 900 apex hours >>>>> 1000 apex hours
100 hours of learning how to aim and control a mouse properly
u can do that in game just by playing
and learn scenarios in game against ppl with a real brain
round pulsar
bright slate
literally nothing
bright slate
also can you change my nickname to nihil please
dawn bloom
literally who said to only play aimtrainers
ahhhh when did i imply that
wintry cypress
like at the beginning
wintry cypress
where u said u play 50h of aimtrainers then go to the game and realize youre still shit
wintry cypress
ah aight
dawn bloom
where u said u play 50h of aimtrainers then go to the game and realize youre sti...
playing aimtrainers more then main game, seeing improvement because you're learning how to aim cus u suck
i know many people who are vt gold or have never even touched a aim trainer for more then 2h that are high ranking in other games
im saying if you want to get good at ur main game just grind it
and if ur not a total idiot you can get good
rose wraith
and if ur not a total idiot you can get good
This doesn’t really apply at all
Nobody said you can’t eventually get good by grinding only the game
But in apex alone there’s an incredible amount of waiting
Traversal, looting, loading in, character selection
Being dead
Booting up the game
Waiting for friends to get on
Aim trainer you can just get reps one after the other and refine a process quickly
Or get a lot of volume in a comparatively short amount of time
Not using an aim trainer is dooming you to a tremendous amount of extra in game hours to get equal skill
I had 5k previous mnk shooter hours by the time I touched kovaaks and I was only like platinum when I first started
Another 1k hours of apex did not necessarily make me that much better at aim, but 100 hours of aimlabs in a month got me from plat to masters and my damage output and lethality massively improved in apex
Game sense and positioning don’t matter if you can’t put your crosshair on the target and keep it there
Good mouse control chops let you ward off pushes from roller players at least somewhat
dawn bloom
This doesn’t really apply at all
you should only really need aim trainers until you build basic mouse control and learn how to aim properly. after that, most of your improvement should come from actual in game reps because apex aim is way more than just moving your mouse well. once your fundamentals are there, game specific practice is way more valuable since it teaches recoil, movement, strafe reading, peeks, crosshair placement, and fighting under pressure, which aim trainers can’t fully replicate. so yeah aim trainers are useful early on, but after a certain point they stop being the best use of your time compared to just grinding real fights
fossil field
you should only really need aim trainers until you build basic mouse control and...
agree on this, and tbf for most people who have played fps games before shouldn't really be spending too long on aim trainers if they want to get good at apex
fossil field
Traversal, looting, loading in, character selection
i mean looting and traversal is part of the game though, being an aimcel only gets you so far
fossil field
Another 1k hours of apex did not necessarily make me that much better at aim, bu...
for me it was completely different, i did like 50-100 ish hours of aimtraining and it helped a little bit but the one thing that was the difference was just grinding the game at the end of the day
i mean isolated training is good i agree on that. but imo you do get some sort of aim training even while grinding the game, plus you get the whole package of grinding everything else at the same time
i guess different people different needs at the end of the day
rose wraith
i mean looting and traversal is part of the game though, being an aimcel only ge...
Idk why ‘aimcel’ is part of the discussion lol
Nobody is saying ‘hey football players should just be gym rats instead of practicing football’
20-30% of your time in the chair aim training is a reasonable percentage that supports its role as accessory work
Players of all skill levels can benefit from using aim trainers both to develop skill and then maintain it or warm up
None of the game skill matters if you can’t do any damage when the roller horizon swings you
The problem with untrained mnk players isn’t damage out puts
It’s consistency
Aim training gives mnk players much more consistent damage output vs untrained
Apex mnk grinders can hit wild beams and shots but they have low peaks too that are preventable with a solid background in fundamentals
It only takes one missed magazine because you fuck up a cross up or overhead track
Or a octane stim breaks your ankles
You can get to master by avoiding fair fights and playing smart, but gun skill is necessary to frag meaningful KP and hold god spot when a pred team apes your shit
Funnily enough, I think some games affect this more than others
If you have a background in valorant your flick tech might be great
OW players usually are untrained monsters in dynamic, air, and evasive TS
some apex mnk players who are shoving fights and taking rifle duels are getting experience
many are just picking up dmrs and snipers or are just wanting to plink at targets vs taking 3s up close
dawn bloom
You can get to master by avoiding fair fights and playing smart, but gun skill i...
so is gamesense ngl
so if you are trying to get good at the game you main
just grind it learn the system
and play r5 tdms scrims
dawn bloom
its still in game experience
rose wraith
its literally a modded version of the gam
with different acceleration values for strafes and no hitslow
dawn bloom
you get to use same weapons and fight same ppl
rose wraith
at this point we are arguing over semantics
rose wraith
if you're saying that tdms and scrims can replace aim trainers then im just disagreeing
those are not equivalent
mnk players should aim train some
dawn bloom
i guess
i dont really agree
if youre gonna rot in a aimtrainer atleast rot on aimbeast
rose wraith
what's the point of playing aim beast if you're not already super good
most players who need aim training are beginners
or untrained with poor technique foundations
dawn bloom
aimlabs is always free lel
rose wraith
kovaaks has piles and piles of beginner scenarios for developing players
dawn bloom
well im talking about aim trainers in general
rose wraith
which isn't what i'm talking about
dawn bloom
why are we talking about kovaaks then
rose wraith
i'm talking about the use of the aim trainer as a developmental tool for intermediate apex players
not aim trainers in general
if you only ever play retail, short strafe duels heavily incentivize players to learn reactive dueling exclusivcely through the lense of reading strafes
which creates inconsistency
VSS apex duels do not always happen and a lot of untrained apex players have big gaps in proper reactive technique from it
including current apex masters
i have had to teach players with purple badges basic intermediate level reactive technique using an aim trainer because they were so read-pilled from grinding retail and r5
if you teach players that before they spend 3k hours playing apex
that makes those apex hours more valuable
because they're getting 3k hours of transfer
dawn bloom
ok so
say for example
what would you say
to a horrible apex player
that just blindlessly bought an aim trainer
rose wraith
that just playing an aim trainer mindlessly without structure won't be very useful and to seek out guidance and structure
it's a gym
but it's just weights and machines
you still need programming
dawn bloom
ok so
rose wraith
correct form, developmentally appropriate exercises, and a focus on generating good errors
dawn bloom
you would tell them to just aimtrain until they feel comforrtable
or just tell them to play the game 50/50
rose wraith
i would probably have them split their time 50/50 apex and the aim trainer until they had achieved some arbitrary check point and I felt like they had a strong handle on mechanical technique
and then have them reduce that to like 10/90 or 20/80 trainer/apex
for maintenance
and long term development
rose wraith
then they definitely need to go 50/50 on the trainer up front
yes
absolutely
a stronger mouse control base and better visual reading fundamentals makes your time more valuable in apex long term
opinion
dawn bloom
ok so
we both agree that you need to get better mouse control etc
but
what about reading and fighting ingame
they can track a bot but bots dont have brains
rose wraith
i don't consider this an issue at all and they should still spend half their time aim training up front until they are finished with their conditioning phase
if I have a freshman in high school that wants to play football
he's not going to become deeply immersed in my playbook until he c an sprint, shove back against a heavy object, and pick up a heavy weight
rose wraith
you have to condition athleticism before you spend a lot of time in the weeds on in game detail
and mouse control is one of those athletic foundations needed
dawn bloom
apex movement is pretty important
rose wraith
in a game about putting your crosshair on someone to do damage
the better you move in apex, the more you create fast adjustments and the harder it is to effectively deal damage
plenty of mnk players see a vast drop in dps once they turn on octane stim
or do a tap strafe
this is all opinion; you're more than welcome to disagree and consider aim training unimportant, I just don't think that's the case
learning how to manage tension and maintain your damage output is important
dawn bloom
im just trying to understand ur pov
dawn bloom
learning how to manage tension and maintain your damage output is important
agreed
rose wraith
its a game about putting your crosshair on a target
and keeping it there
its a significant part of the skill expression
aim trainers cram tons of reps into a very small amount of time
so a large percentage of aim trainer time, up front, is very helpful
because when you're bad, you are fighting the least
you are slow to loot
slow to rotate
getting shot in the back rotating late
you're not even getting to ijmprove
you're just getting farmed from poor game skills
rose wraith
that's what the 50% apex is for
that's still half their time gaming playing apex
and it's temporary while we remove weak mouse control as a crutch
if I coach basketball players, conditioning only lasts a few weeks in the fall. Then we just maintain all year while we focus on our gameplay
this is standard sports training and programming.
i see mouse control as athletic skill that needs to be conditioned up front
it takes a priority to just hours in the game
once you can sprint and jump, now we can talk ball
what i'm not going to do is take a kid with zero athleticism and just make them grind fast breaks when they can't run, can't dribble, and can't catch
every time you take a duel against a horizon that lands on you or you fight a character right in your face, if you dont have the prerequisite skill, you just eat shit
you learn nothing
same thing that happens when you make a beginner play advanced difficulty aim trainer scenarios
that's not developmentally appropriate
a lot of tasks in apex are too hard for beginners
shooting flying enemies, short strafes, very steep angles, etc.
those apex hours spent in those situations without the aim skill are wasted on new players
pissed away
dats what im sayin; if someone wants to learn apex, spend your first 100 hours doing 50 kovaaks and 50 apex, then you can just go to like 10 hours of kovaaks per 90 hours of apex after that
placid sphinx
Is voltaic diamond tracking good enough to get diamond or Master in apex? assuming the hypothetical person in question has a good understanding of the game?
dull falcon
that's what the 50% apex is for
I aint readin all that
dawn bloom
every time you take a duel against a horizon that lands on you or you fight a ch...
gamesense
rose wraith
I aint readin all that
mogged 
dawn bloom
if you say so!
if ur in a posiiton where a horizon lands on ur forehead i think you need to play the game mroe
sly gate
what’s the single most useful koovaks scenario for winning 1v1’s in apex, would like to hear ur answers
dawn bloom
what’s the single most useful koovaks scenario for winning 1v1’s in apex, would ...
clsi
sly gate
i see
sly gate
close long strafes invincible
i heard air angelic was super helpful
i was thinking of js doing 20 min clsi and 20 min air angelic to rlly help my 1v1 aim up close
dawn bloom
try it
dawn bloom
if it helps it helps
sly gate
what would you recommend
sly gate
if it helps it helps
cuz although the vt playlist looks good idk i wanna focus on specific tasks that’s what i enjoy more
wbu @rose wraith
dawn bloom
what would you recommend
i have a ground playlist for whenever iplay but i dont consistently play anymore
alr hit masters idgaf abot pred
sly gate
i see i hit masters last split asw but i just wanna become one of those apac goats 😭
dawn bloom
i have all my playlists on aimbeast
dawn bloom
its all personal opinion
sly gate
fairs
rose wraith
wbu <@183202964381368320>
depends entirely on your skill
the playlist itself doesn't matter
the most important thing is that you're training on scenarios appropriate for your development
sly gate
depends entirely on your skill
masters mnk came from val where i hit radiant
good mid-long range js ass close range keep losing 1v1’s
that’s why imma focus on reactivity a lot and smoothness
clsi and air angelic tmrw
dawn bloom
ru going for pred
dawn bloom
but once i improve probs
close fast strafes invincible, close long strafes invincible, kindaclose fast strafes, and vss close-mid long
lmk how u do on these
sly gate
close fast strafes invincible, close long strafes invincible, kindaclose fast st...
and this is for the 1v1’s right
not air angelic? i thought reactivity was goated
for my goal
dawn bloom
and this is for the 1v1’s right
i guess they're good ground imo
pale scroll
close fast strafes invincible, close long strafes invincible, kindaclose fast st...
11800 on the first one
top 2%
empty thistle
Is voltaic diamond tracking good enough to get diamond or Master in apex? assumi...
Ye but you’re playing on giga hard mode
dawn bloom
11800 on the first one
nice
pale scroll
nice
im still trash at apex 1v1s tho
none of my main games have had dodge actually matter 😭
so im not much better than an antimirror spammer rn
doing my best to grind it out tho
dawn bloom
yea i would get back into apex etc but i stay washed
hit radiant in val tho so maybe will play apex sooon yeeee
empty thistle
I’m extremely jaded against playing mnk to actually win 1v1s atp
Nova barely puts you on par with an average high diamond roller if you’re not also using movement
Meanwhile you can put 20 hours into training controller and get Astra up close for free
Learning controller was just supposed to help my reading a bit and understand what I’m trying to counter but instead it’s just making me giga jaded
outer sleet
I think I'm quitting for a while my wrist is cooked
Or like keep playing to a minimum
Farewell its been fun ggs
nova sorrel
My team was amazing
They played Aggro
But not too aggro
Played for placement aswell
I only died cuz caustic gas slowed my days
*dash
And I forgot they added that
Cuz I stopped playing when they added that
static yacht
with different acceleration values for strafes and no hitslow
It does have different acceleration?
devout tusk
It does have different acceleration?
i dont think so but theres a few differences that make it feel like it. no hitslow, old wraith hitbox, different server architecture and huge ping disparities means more server corrections. I dont want to fully explain server replication but basically the server puts them where they would be when it recieves a command based on when the player pressed the key which is why on super high ping people teleport and stutter around, but that player isnt experiencing any of that themselves. On just high ping what this looks like is the slow down/speed up part of the strafe being skipped, so it looks like acceleration is higher
nova sorrel
I played 4 games today, these 2 are the only ones longer than 5 mins. I didnt play amazing but I didnt do half bad. for the ash game, my positioning was kinda bad and i forgot caustic gas slows cuz i havent played in a while. Octane game, i played really bad in the last fight
Feedback is appreciated 🙂
outer sleet
That shit easy af on your hands
It started hurting during my console days
It was fine for a long while but its been acting up lately
mental ridge
Nova barely puts you on par with an average high diamond roller if you’re not al...
nah you dont just need movement, youre lacking strafe positioning and micro gamesense... watching you makes apparent that raw mousecontrol is your biggest strength
mental ridge
so im not much better than an antimirror spammer rn
what about not spamming anti mirror
mental ridge
Is voltaic diamond tracking good enough to get diamond or Master in apex? assumi...
yes easily i only got one jade score from season 4 and hit masters twice but i wasnt solo queuing and hat competent mates
mental ridge
dats what im sayin; if someone wants to learn apex, spend your first 100 hours d...
thats exactly what i did switching of roller to mnk and without aimtrainers i would be far worse
still gotta hit a aimtrainer arc when i got enough free time because i wanna get it over and done in a (few) week(s) gotta get my mousecontrol to master and be happy
empty thistle
yes easily i only got one jade score from season 4 and hit masters twice but i w...
you also could get masters scores if you actually grinded the benches tho
you're barely worse than me on miyu
mental ridge
you're barely worse than me on miyu
wich you barely put any effort in to beat my scores
if i had your raw mousecontrol i belive i could reliably go for pred
empty thistle
idk I think ur awareness is ur issue
u just force things so many times
might be a tired issue
empty thistle
wich you barely put any effort in to beat my scores
I’m like mid gm in reactive tho
You could hit masters for sure
mental ridge
u just force things so many times
well i have good opportunities where i could do much if i had the aim to back it up
bad aim can turn medium to low risk opportunities i to high risk high reward situations
beeing able to do alot of dmg buys you freedome
empty thistle
well i have good opportunities where i could do much if i had the aim to back it...
which is why its a roller game
mental ridge
u havent grinded it
if i grinded it with propper knowledge and understanding of my weaknesses i would also improve alot
empty thistle
mnk mech is kinda weird
cuz u always lose against a controller unless u have some kind of advantage so in a way it doesnt matter
but missing when u already have an advantage does still fuck u
mental ridge
cuz u always lose against a controller unless u have some kind of advantage so i...
well an advantage can also be surprise
if you have the capability to jump people and get a knock quickly it doesn't matter than the one you caught off guard has aimassist... guess how preds play they get you defensive by minimal stuff sometimes even justa crack close the gap get a knock and its likely over for a none pred team
but that only works if you have reliable and good aim
if youre inconcistant you cant rely on such tactics
rose wraith
well an advantage can also be surprise
if you have the capability to jump peopl...
This is what I had to tell ace lol
Ego challs are already dumb
But doing it on mnk is suicide
mental ridge
if i can get my aim to a point where i can reliably beam 130+ with my r99 no matter tha situation and get concistent aim on my wingman im certain i can go to pred r99 wingman only
but for that i need better reactive control and especially smootheness tracking and also need to heavily work on my dynamic clicking to be able to hit shots when my reading is off
mental ridge
This is what I had to tell ace lol
ace as in aceu?
rose wraith
You don’t need mouse control to hide presence, rotate early, and only play weaker positions next to god spot
rose wraith
ace as in aceu?
Acevedo
But you can’t push unless you can wide swing and win
Even with a health advantage
It is crazy how often mnk players just don’t do damage
mental ridge
You don’t need mouse control to hide presence, rotate early, and only play weake...
thats gameplay but my mousecontrol doesn't enable me to play the the way i want
mental ridge
It is crazy how often mnk players just don’t do damage
mnk moment
doing 1vs1 both 1 from the r99 spray and both continue to miss 10 wingman bullets
rose wraith
thats gameplay but my mousecontrol doesn't enable me to play the the way i want
And even then that’s your mouse control now
Before it was even worse
If you didn’t start a fight with a knock finishing it was tuff against stacks
mental ridge
If you didn’t start a fight with a knock finishing it was tuff against stacks
thats why i need better mousecontrol to start playing as a entry fragger using cover and surprise to get entries
rose wraith
Yeah, I think there is a lot of misconception about how entry frag works in Apex
mental ridge
i used to always find a way to get quiet close to any team without taking dmg but i kind of stopped doing that because my reliably worse mnk accuracy compared to roller didnt allow for that playstyle
rose wraith
It doesn’t necessarily mean that you pick the first fight or get the first knock
mental ridge
It doesn’t necessarily mean that you pick the first fight or get the first knock
well you can pick most fights if you dont just start shooting midrange but have a fragger that weasels close and gets an opening
starting fights midrange is the worst habit i picked up playing mnk
rose wraith
Agreed
Number 1 pet peeve
Engaging the moment you enter effective range
Instead of walking up and frying someone
mental ridge
Engaging the moment you enter effective range
and then you got a stale mate both sides have cracks
rose wraith
Actually that’s not true
My number one pet peeve is terrible looting
Controller players and mnk players alike are untrained at it and can’t do it effectively
And rollouts are sooooo slow
mental ridge
My number one pet peeve is terrible looting
yeah sometimes the advantage you have from beeing looted up 20 seconds earlier than enemies means you can just walk up to one for free and get a entry
like open door
rose wraith
- prevents teams from walking up on you for free
mental ridge
kp serverd on a silver platter
rose wraith
- gets you ahead of the first big party fest for 13th
mental ridge
- gets you ahead of the first big party fest for 13th
especially in stacks you dont have ANY time to waste
rose wraith
- prio on all neutral objectives like evo and vault
mental ridge
stacks is imo the worst spot to get send to
rose wraith
- less likely one person gets aped because they were looting
rose wraith
stacks is imo the worst spot to get send to
It’s not stacks
It’s any ‘good POI’
Too much loot to go through
Have a clear path and grab and go
The only time you should full clear a big poi is if you spawn into god spot early and can confirm ring 2
And at that point you need to tell your team to roll DMRs and snipers so you can show presence from your power position
mental ridge
It’s any ‘good POI’
no stacks is just the worst you got dome and maude suoer close and you cant push either without expecting a immediate thirdparty
mental ridge
Just rotate
yes thats literally the only option there
rose wraith
The rotation out of stack is very easy
mental ridge
The rotation out of stack is very easy
yeah through the cave
rose wraith
Going through cave can be dangerous because of launch site
They get vault key a lot from loot bugs
rose wraith
Bridge west of Maude
Nah
You can get to Maude bridge ez
Maude will go back side stacks to walk up
Or will push small poi north
mental ridge
Or will push small poi north
Geysir
mental ridge
ngl i think ill just solo queue pubs to get a feel for walking up peoples arse
rose wraith
You need to play Valkyrie or loba
Loba gets a lot of early rotate advantage because vault
mental ridge
You need to play Valkyrie or loba
you need to take a day off
rose wraith
lol nah
You can def play WE
WE only sucks in comp
Where the map is ass to play when it’s dense
mental ridge
i find we to be densely populated in ranked aswell
mental ridge
Ranked has been good with drop ship!
idk i just dislike we
nova sorrel
I played 4 games today, these 2 are the only ones longer than 5 mins. I didnt pl...
could some1 pls review my games 🙂
mental ridge
So just draft the correct legends
WRAITH
i wanna be a wraith main again and shoot backs
crawling up their butts
rose wraith
WRAITH
Don’t draft wraith unless you need to transport a big man
Play alter instead on WE
IMO
Horizon crypto valk
nova sorrel
What’s WE?
mental ridge
Don’t draft wraith unless you need to transport a big man
well i want the get out of jail for free card
nova sorrel
Ahh ok
mental ridge
so i can start walking up again
rose wraith
well i want the get out of jail for free card
I’m ngl her purple perk is nuts
mental ridge
Yea worlds edge is a bit bleh
i mean fragment is fun to fight in
mental ridge
6 seconds invincibility and double jump
yes
if u chain double jump with a mantle boost you basically got a Revenant pounce
because mantle boost benefits from the extra velocity
nova sorrel
could some1 pretty please w cherry on top review my games 
static yacht
i dont think so but theres a few differences that make it feel like it. no hitsl...
I'll look more into it, maybe even try to break it down
empty thistle
could some1 pretty please w cherry on top review my games <:plead:74859158662715...
ill take a look later
nova sorrel
ill take a look later
thanks 🙂
empty thistle
ye sure
lost fulcrum
what are the best perks for alter and gibby
mental ridge
what are the best perks for alter and gibby
gibby depends
heal bubble if youre good at playing bubble / positioning else electro bubble
mini ults are ok but generally speaking the normal ult is gigantic and combined with ult accels quiet oppressive
so on purple the shotgun perk is definitely better if you play shotgun on him
lost fulcrum
cheers bro
mental ridge
cheers bro
bubble resets with heal are insane
but u gotta have a team that can utilize it
static yacht
what are the best perks for alter and gibby
alter blue depends on what you already have but with no scan or console character in the squad i take scan
purp always speedboost tac
gibby electified bubble + smaller ults
im yet to see a team use x2 heals
mental ridge
gibby electified bubble + smaller ults
small ults arent as impactfull in a full late game
hexed inlet
small ults arent as impactfull in a full late game
mental ridge
https://x.com/FeudaApex/status/2039386860921794880?s=20
now imagine they have a gibby
hexed inlet
small ult is really good
the shotgun perk is good sure but not as impactful as triple ult
use it the same as sparrow triple ult
and it's fucked
mental ridge
the shotgun perk is good sure but not as impactful as triple ult
well in a good case of a super tiny ring and teams not needing to move its good
but what about larger endzones where you want to deny a large area
hexed inlet
use it the same as sparrow triple ult
.
mental ridge
smal gibby ult is small
mental ridge
push people out of places
yes but the big ult can impact multiple teams
that are spread out
i atleast myselfe have encountered smal gibby ults i could easily dodge
a charged rampage is also good when you have a headglitch on a team with no cover and you can beam everybody in the back but that doesn't make everybody run rampage
elder kayak
https://x.com/FeudaApex/status/2039386860921794880?s=20
is this a April fool prank?
😭
empty thistle
i atleast myselfe have encountered smal gibby ults i could easily dodge
I’ve got insta killed to triple small ult too many times now
empty thistle
gibby depends
heal bubble if youre good at playing bubble / positioning else ele...
Electro shield is giga broken and should always be taken imo
If it’s not another gibby or Maggie it’s oppressive af
50 dmg and stun for walking in
final forge
gibby is mid at best for ranked
bright slate
get in the buuubb
hazy crest
are any diamond+master+pred apex ranks here? could you give tips on how to fight controller players at close ranges as well as aiming tips in general. Ik Bang smokes help
pale scroll
are any diamond+master+pred apex ranks here? could you give tips on how to fight...
im only plat but my advice would be to turn off the pc
ur not winning it so pack it up
wintry cypress
are any diamond+master+pred apex ranks here? could you give tips on how to fight...
pray the enemy is a little timmy with 20h in the game and pray the he somehow fails to hit you despite the aim assist
other than that just aim better and have a good strafe with a bias
bright slate
are any diamond+master+pred apex ranks here? could you give tips on how to fight...
learn to strafe
dull falcon
are any diamond+master+pred apex ranks here? could you give tips on how to fight...
Play cover
dull falcon
learn to strafe
This is solid we all just dance with the aimlock
mental ridge
are any diamond+master+pred apex ranks here? could you give tips on how to fight...
well having a aimtrainer ego and relying on aim womt help you
you can basically win by doing everything that doesn't come down to aim better
like strafes, positioning, peak/engage timings, in some cases advanced movement, using cover propperly
in other words just try to avoid a fair aim duel try to be unpredictable and surprising because they cant hit wjat they dont expect
mental ridge
pray the enemy is a little timmy with 20h in the game and pray the he somehow fa...
aimtrainer player mentality
wintry cypress
aimtrainer player mentality
just be vt nova
mental ridge
just be vt nova
lets do some 1vs1
i wanna see how much it actually helps beeing nova
wintry cypress
(im not nova)
mental ridge
(im not nova)
breh
wintry cypress
atleast a voltaic gm?
i have a couple GM scores yeah
mental ridge
i have a couple GM scores yeah
well does the website think youre gm?
wintry cypress
some of them are almost nova but tbh i havent been anywhere near those scores recently
wintry cypress
well does the website think youre gm?
no i just have GM scores
mental ridge
some of them are almost nova but tbh i havent been anywhere near those scores re...
relatable (with my smoothbot jade score
mental ridge
no i just have GM scores
ah man
wintry cypress
i was master in s4 vt tho
wintry cypress
nah i hate that shit
mental ridge
youre slacking of thats not so poggy
what do we think if i wanna hyper fixate on one benchmark is viscose more beneficial or voltaic s5
unborn glade
Oh thanks for the free racks
nova sorrel
Some1 ban this guy
nova sorrel
on my life eu players r slow in the head
This guy lands solo, he fights solo he does everything solo
We were fighting 2 teams and instead of helping, this guy runs to fight another team 200 meters away
He died(obv)
Then he starts flaming us
At the end of the game(which was like a minute after he died), I check score, me n teammate have 700 damage, THIS GUY HAS 95 MAN
HOW DO U GET 95 AND FLAME UR ENTIRE TTEAM
empty thistle
just be vt nova
Still insufficient
empty thistle
what do we think if i wanna hyper fixate on one benchmark is viscose more benefi...
Viscose
lost fulcrum
what polling rate works best for apex? I have an 8k mouse but not sure.
nova sorrel
Finally out of p4
mental ridge
what polling rate works best for apex? I have an 8k mouse but not sure.
idk 4k seems to be working on my quiet well optimized system but i always default back to 1k recently i feel like apex inst realy meant for anything more i mean the engine is old as fuck
lost fulcrum
idk 4k seems to be working on my quiet well optimized system but i always defaul...
yh been testing out 4k its nice tbf
ill try 1k asw now you suggested it
mental ridge
yh been testing out 4k its nice tbf
yeah but it feels a bit unstable to me like too floaty
i dont like it for playing wingman 1k feels locked in you know
abstract sparrow
why is this scam still a thing 🙁
nova sorrel
I take too many fights in the open expecting to one clip
I should js play behind cover
But I don’t
rose wraith
I take too many fights in the open expecting to one clip
You do not want big trades where you do 100 damage and take 50
Do you want small unfair trades where you deal 50 and take nothing
nova sorrel
Alr
devout tusk
what polling rate works best for apex? I have an 8k mouse but not sure.
highest is best i found in apex, theres a weird stutter the lower you go. i dont notice any perf impact from 4k/8k
nova sorrel
Looking to buy a new mouse, what’s a good rec? I’m looking for cheaper mouses
bright slate
I take too many fights in the open expecting to one clip
if its ever a 50/50 fight you already lost
rose wraith
what polling rate works best for apex? I have an 8k mouse but not sure.
No need for more than 2k or 4k if you only play 1600 dpi
lost fulcrum
No need for more than 2k or 4k if you only play 1600 dpi
i play 800 1.2 now trying out 1k
lost fulcrum
Looking to buy a new mouse, what’s a good rec? I’m looking for cheaper mouses
do you mind wired?
if you dont mind id rec the op1 8k v2
lost fulcrum
highest is best i found in apex, theres a weird stutter the lower you go. i dont...
i thought it was the other way round
devout tusk
i thought it was the other way round
how bout you go look for yourself instead of thinking stuff
lost fulcrum
how bout you go look for yourself instead of thinking stuff
alr bro damn🤣
devout tusk
sorry bro #1 issue i see in every community is people spending hella time speculating when they could just go try it most of the time lol
so sometimes i SNAP u feel me
lost fulcrum
nah its fine mate i found it funny
tbh ive tested them all and not seen much difference tbh
nova sorrel
if its ever a 50/50 fight you already lost
Yea ik, that’s my issue
nova sorrel
do you mind wired?
My current mouse is wired so not really
nova sorrel
if you dont mind id rec the op1 8k v2
I’ll check it out, thanks
rose wraith
Yea ik, that’s my issue
Ego challenges are for roller players
Mnk don’t get the luxury
nova sorrel
Ego challenges are for roller players
hmm yea
bright slate
i dont think its bad to take ego fights
rose wraith
If you want to wide swing on mouse and keyboard, you need two apes right behind you
nova sorrel
It’s my Val ego
rose wraith
The problem is that the inputs are not equal
nova sorrel
i dont think its bad to take ego fights
All I take is ego fights
bright slate
you wont get better at fighting if yo ujust ignore it
rose wraith
Even a mediocre controller player will fry you if anything goes wrong
nova sorrel
yea lol, ide win so many more fights if I didn’t stand in the open like a lost child
rose wraith
rose wraith
yea lol, ide win so many more fights if I didn’t stand in the open like a lost c...
@nova sorrel
this drill is about aggression out of cover
Watch the video and read the instructions and practice it for yourself; it might help you build better intuition on how to create small advantages before committing
devout tusk
tbh ive tested them all and not seen much difference tbh
did you try like 125hz just to see, for me on all mice, every pc, it behaves so strange compared to other games. its more than stuttery, it like vibrates back and forth
issue gets less bad as i go up polling and is barely noticeable at 4k
bright slate
i like 125 on krunker
it feels unusable on anything else though
500 is usually alright though
lost fulcrum
did you try like 125hz just to see, for me on all mice, every pc, it behaves so ...
i dont even have 125 as an option
maybe i have to change settings to get it or smth
devout tusk
prob in software but anyway 4k is fine apex can handle it
lost fulcrum
im just playing on 1k for now
nova sorrel
Watch the video and read the instructions and practice it for yourself; it might...
Alr thanks a lot!
I’ll practice this
trim dragon
damn r5 duel are rough, even against mnk players some of them are so damn good, I can barely have 30% accuracy on there
also the player models in there are so much quicker than the real game
rose wraith
damn r5 duel are rough, even against mnk players some of them are so damn good, ...
Apexrecoilstrafes
Start out by learning these patterns cold
They will be a good generic evasion pattern + let you just track in the right hand
empty thistle
damn r5 duel are rough, even against mnk players some of them are so damn good, ...
I swear masters tracking is like the avg mnk there
trim dragon
probably should try that , my recoil control is quite inconsistent, sometimes start out on a 150, then sometimes a 30
like these are against the worse players there, the few people that are there everyday cooks me hard, I strafe with no dodge intention sometimes
https://youtu.be/53Y7UxSHEFA
and i panic with a half-baked ras strafe doesn't help
trim dragon
I swear masters tracking is like the avg mnk there
Yeah a lot of them are just that good, had one who got 33% accuracy while being a movement player
half salmon
pale scroll
nova sorrel
This is a scam ide fall for😍
nova sorrel
I’ve been playing cover a bit more
My tracking got better aswell
But my apex is reallllly laggy
Like 400 ping
fluid sphinx
yo i have 3 questions
1st is it true everyone recoil scripts
is movement like superglide very important
and is playing mnk a handicap
devout tusk
no sometimes sometimes
fluid sphinx
i started playing apex in season 2 but i have like 100hrs
im tryna be comp in this game
but how tf am i suppose to superglide on 360fps
devout tusk
well you cant have 360 fps, plenty of people superglide on 300 fps
with 100 hours i wouldnt be worried about supergliding though
its just an optimization
fluid sphinx
this game is so annoying i have high end pc but i stutter every 2 sec when i shoot
wtf
might be internet driver related
rose wraith
anyone got a server i can find good teamates
Go to any LFG server and you will find people who are just as bad but talk a lot
If you want good teammates, develop yourself and become a very capable player first
lost fulcrum
Go to any LFG server and you will find people who are just as bad but talk a lot
can you give me some names other than the official server id appreciate it
lost fulcrum
If you want good teammates, develop yourself and become a very capable player fi...
already working on it
velvet plaza
but how tf am i suppose to superglide on 360fps
Cap at 240hz it’s the highest and most stable for consistency
Using steam commands
And I use 0.6 actuation on my space and 1.6 on C which is my second crouch button and I just press at the same time
I have abt 200 hrs on apex because I just started playing and I superglide consistently with that
Or you can flip your crouch keycap or space bar
rose wraith
Keep in mind
Cheaper keyboards are incapable of consistent glides due to a low polling rate
final forge
Who even superglides now?
velvet plaza
Who even superglides now?
It’s better because you can tap strafe out of it
final forge
It’s better because you can tap strafe out of it
You will not hit them as consistently so supergliding is not better
wintry cypress
Yeah idk how people hit that stuff consistently
And u can still go diagonal with the space glides that the game gives u
At least, im fairly sure ive done that
Maybe even sideways as well
final forge
You can go diagonal and sideways
nova sorrel
can you give me some names other than the official server id appreciate it
Battle cord also districts server
Even the official apex server
nova sorrel
Cap at 240hz it’s the highest and most stable for consistency
I capped at 143
nova sorrel
You will not hit them as consistently so supergliding is not better
Mantle boosting is high cortisol gameplay
velvet plaza
You will not hit them as consistently so supergliding is not better
If you practice them they’ll be mostly consistent
Tap strafing out of superglide will make you harder to track that’s why it’s better
Obv mantle boost is 100% but still
velvet plaza
wdym 100%
If you time a mantle boost perfectly you’ll get it 100% of the time but if you time a superglide perfectly I think you only get it like 90-95% of the time
nova sorrel
If you time a mantle boost perfectly you’ll get it 100% of the time but if you t...
but superglide has aura
mantle boost is bleh
final forge
If you practice them they’ll be mostly consistent
I can hit superglides 9/10 times and they are still not as good. The most common use is faster traversal of the map, usage in fights is very limited and not all that useful especially when you will probably die of missing a single superglide
mental ridge
You will not hit them as consistently so supergliding is not better
well if you can it it 9-10 times its 9-10 times better in the presence of enemies
wishglides are only better for map traversal and gap closing out of los
static yacht
and is playing mnk a handicap
From my week of playing roller, I now know that I'll immediately switch to roller once I hit master. I avg 38% accuracy in R5 on roller with no prior experience while having 30% on MnK after playing it basically my whole life. But it'll still take at least 20-30% of my total playtime to get used to roller, so I'd say it depends.
MnK is still chad input so roller is basically a shortcut
MnK is fun but killing people consistently due to aimassistgap is more fun for me
I can only hope that Respawn will do something to AA, like add a delay (150-200ms) to how fast it activates so it wouldn't just give you free damage on each time opponent strafes
fathom kayak
MnK is fun but killing people consistently due to aimassistgap is more fun for m...
mnk is more satisfying though imo
like if you hit your shots you know its 100% just your pure skill that hit those shots
unlike roller
static yacht
roller is fun for me as a new experience
might get boring after a while though, but it's pleasurable for now
maybe I'm wrong and future me will change his opinion
and I'll stick to mnk
static yacht
like if you hit your shots you know its 100% just your pure skill that hit those...
killing with AA is more fun than not killing with pure skill for me at the end of the day
I'm completely aware that it's a crutch that people use to boost their sub average mechanics
fathom kayak
killing with AA is more fun than not killing with pure skill for me at the end o...
honestly losing fights then winning them is what gives you that sense of accomplishment, but if you enjoy roller more then im not gonna change ur mind or wtv
i just like the fact that 90% of the lobbies im in are full of chuds who have played for 1k+ hours and still lose gunfights to me
static yacht
as I said I may change my opinion in future as I only played R5 in roller which boils down to mindless 1v1s
so maybe in the actual game it won't be that fun
fathom kayak
so maybe in the actual game it won't be that fun
yeah i cant lie
ive q'd with a couple of roller dudes and even they said their lobbies are usually just braindead 50/50s
high dia/master ^
static yacht
yeah whole game is not about 1v1 challing with no cover but AA boost is still strong if you're a competent player to begin with
i guess so
wintry cypress
well if you can it it 9-10 times its 9-10 times better in the presence of enemie...
There will be NO mantleboost slander 😡
That shit is goated
mental ridge
I can only hope that Respawn will do something to AA, like add a delay (150-200m...
we need aimassist to disable when aimassist and player input are in opposing directions
mental ridge
roller is fun for me as a new experience
probably because you value results over skill expression
static yacht
we need aimassist to disable when aimassist and player input are in opposing dir...
what does that mean
oh you mean
okay
so it won't snap if you're not actually tracking it in the direction where enemy moves
static yacht
probably because you value results over skill expression
skill expression might take you only so far in terms of fun so yeah
illusion of free choice
burning out because you lose to rollers or burning out because roller is no fun
final forge
I can only hope that Respawn will do something to AA, like add a delay (150-200m...
Wont do much. If they remove rotational aimassist it might be fair
static yacht
wouldn't it? I feel like this initial time when you didn't react to strafe yet and AA already pulls crosshair into the opposite direction and you end up doing more damage is the main issue and strength of roller
like on MnK if you don't read strafe and you have to react to it, it takes like 150 ms at the very generous best and 50 ms more to quickly snap back to target so you lose 3-4 bullets
rose wraith
Roller is very strong for lots of other small reasons too
Snap to chest when you ADS is a big one
You just don’t have to micro if your crosshair placement is mostly correct
static yacht
Snap to chest when you ADS is a big one
you sure you don't mix it up with AA in other games?
where it actually snaps when you try to ads
or I just didn't get that part
rose wraith
Na I’m not talking abt the actual magnetism that cod does
Watching controller clips is really something though
There’s just so much trust in the idea that if they discover a player they’ll win the duel
mental ridge
Snap to chest when you ADS is a big one
controller in apex has no aim snap
fathom kayak
wouldn't it? I feel like this initial time when you didn't react to strafe yet a...
i mean they could just completely decrease the aim assist value like they do on pc crossplay
rose wraith
controller in apex has no aim snap
Hmm; maybe I’m just confusing it with the left stick AA if people are strafing a bit
fathom kayak
my 2 roller teammates are still smooth asf w their aim even though the aa is decreased
static yacht
my 2 roller teammates are still smooth asf w their aim even though the aa is dec...
wdym decreased?
as in they are mainly console 0.6 players?
fathom kayak
i was told the aa value on pc is 0.3
static yacht
0.6 is only on 60 fps mode
fathom kayak
not what i was told
i got told that if u q in pc lobbies ur aa drops to 0.3 regardless of fps
and if ur in roller lobbies it goes back up to .6
static yacht
0.4 is on 120 but I'm not even sure if it's confirmed
static yacht
0.4 is on 120 but I'm not even sure if it's confirmed
people just say that "120 fps mode feels more magnetic that pc aim assist"
rose wraith
I’m pretty sure it’s input based
static yacht
so it's basically something higher than 0.3 in console lobbies
rose wraith
Per console like ppl sayin
rose wraith
I should try out switch apex I’ve never played 0.6 AA
That shit sounds super fun
Just don’t aim at all
static yacht
.6 is not real on performance mode afaik
static yacht
That shit sounds super fun
I tried by modifying R5 reloaded
And making my server
It's way more snappy
Just don't take your crosshair off AA bubble and you'll be beaming
mental ridge
0.4 is on 120 but I'm not even sure if it's confirmed
nope not at all
fathom kayak
genuinely impossible for me to aim on it
mental ridge
its balanced to 0.6 on 60hz
static yacht
and 0.3+ something on 120, right?
mental ridge
Just don't take your crosshair off AA bubble and you'll be beaming
Problem is on r5 you csn only change rotational aimassist
mental ridge
and 0.3+ something on 120, right?
arround 0.5 in console lobbies (was stronger than 0.4 back then) and arround 0.1 lower in pc lobbies
mental ridge
isn't that
no rotational aimassist is aimbot percentage
aim slow is there to reduce your inputs
in apex its set up so that to track the enemie perfectly your stickinput with aimassist would be the same without
so 60% rotational would have 60%slowdown so your 40% + 60% rotational would be 100%
easily verifiable because slowdown on console is faster
static yacht
oh right there is slowdown
mental ridge
yes
static yacht
i just
I don't know how is it being calculated
I mean a have a way to calculate it by doing 360 with enemy being at some point of turn and seeing how long does it take
but what kind of percentage or something is being used is a mystery for me
mental ridge
I don't know how is it being calculated
i do understand aimassist quiet well because i had alot of time to think in my aprentice ship while filing etc
static yacht
like rotational is understandable. if you're in AA bubble, if enemy makes 1 meter strafe to the left, AA will pull 0.3 meter to the left
but slowdown is a mystery
mental ridge
but slowdown is a mystery
well logically it makes no sense for slowdown to be offset from rotational
static yacht
so theoretically if I set AA to 100% (1) I'll just snap to enemy and won't be able to leave AA bubble?
mental ridge
well logically it makes no sense for slowdown to be offset from rotational
because as i said for it to feel natural your inputs with and without aimassist should be the same to track
mental ridge
so theoretically if I set AA to 100% (1) I'll just snap to enemy and won't be ab...
yes if slowdown and rotational are both 100
wintry cypress
Just don’t aim at all
I mean allegedly aim assist strength decreases with lower fps values
rose wraith
Does*
wintry cypress
Yeah so probably wont be as crazy as it sounds
rose wraith
Respawn’s post a few years said that
60fps is the max and performance modes are less
Pc least
wintry cypress
Cant you get 120fps on ps5/xb series x tho?
empty thistle
From my week of playing roller, I now know that I'll immediately switch to rolle...
Basically my exact same experience past week
static yacht
Basically my exact same experience past week
It's still not that one sided though
empty thistle
Even Astra tracking probably wouldn’t take me to 40% accuracy which is easily do able on controller with a few weeks
static yacht
It still takes time to get used to it to the point where it's as comfortable as mnk
empty thistle
It still takes time to get used to it to the point where it's as comfortable as ...
Took me like 4 days
static yacht
Even Astra tracking probably wouldn’t take me to 40% accuracy which is easily do...
It won't
No way
empty thistle
Movement is ass but I don’t feel like a fish out of water on it now
static yacht
38% is the highest mnk accuracy I've seen from players who didn't just logged in and played a few games
empty thistle
Kinda my point, why stay on mnk if it’s not humanly possible to match a good controller
If you enjoy movement sure
static yacht
Still baffling that
When Zer0 was the best accuracy mnk player in R5 with 36% accuracy
empty thistle
Still baffling that
Ye this is post nerf lmao
static yacht
All rollers AVERAGED 36.5%
At that time
Sure, again, we're talking about the most controller benefiting scenario, but in actual game you still can use it as a skillgap
rose wraith
I also feel like it’s probably skewed in a lot of ways because roller probably has a bigger advantage the more it’s just a ADS strafe duel
And the averages just probably have controller doing worse against fast movement
static yacht
Sure, again, we're talking about the most controller benefiting scenario, but in...
With ttk being 0.8-1.5 second, you can just peek out of cover long enough to have brief 1v1 chal
rose wraith
Ttk is only that small for roller
empty thistle
I also feel like it’s probably skewed in a lot of ways because roller probably h...
Probably
static yacht
And the averages just probably have controller doing worse against fast movement
if you're curious, there is input based MM in r5
empty thistle
I kinda like the idea of knowing I’ll win 90% of my 1v1s against diamonds
It’s never happening on mnk
wintry cypress
Even Astra tracking probably wouldn’t take me to 40% accuracy which is easily do...
I mean 30-35% is doable average on R5 but yeah in game youre also focused on other things so itll be a lot harder most likely
static yacht
And if I'm not mistaken, MnK had only 0.5 KD against rollers on average
Something like that
Where roller had 1.9 kd against mnk
empty thistle
I mean 30-35% is doable average on R5 but yeah in game youre also focused on oth...
I was at 30% before picking up the roller
Maybe if I pushed to Astra I could see me getting 34-35
But I get that on roller for free
wintry cypress
😭
static yacht
I mean 30-35% is doable average on R5 but yeah in game youre also focused on oth...
I would argue that in-game it's going to be even more due to slowdown on hits and how more lenient opponents strafes are
wintry cypress
Holy cheating
static yacht
I would argue that in-game it's going to be even more due to slowdown on hits an...
As you won't always have enough space for dodge
wintry cypress
Hmmm yeah maybe
static yacht
So it's 50/50
empty thistle
I’m gonna see if I can become a good roller on r5 and how that feels in ranked
static yacht
I’m gonna see if I can become a good roller on r5 and how that feels in ranked
Like ass
empty thistle
I kinda suspect it means you can suddenly just ego chall everyone cuz it’s mostly diamonds
empty thistle
Once my flu passes I’m confident I can hit masters on roller
Fairly quickly
I’ve been bouncing around d3 since my flu hit
static yacht
Actually moving around, looting, shooting something that's not chal 1v1 with no cover is harder
I hit D3 as well this season and I'll just go on second account to play roller at this point
empty thistle
My d3 acc is my roller acc
My main hit d3 day 2
And I started the roller
Or I took a few days off
wintry cypress
Yeah controller feels so ass to play on but then every once in a while you hit a random ass oneclip even tho u have like 2h on controller
empty thistle
Can’t remember
empty thistle
Yeah controller feels so ass to play on but then every once in a while you hit a...
My first game of roller I dropped a 2k in a pred lobby and got a 1v3 few games later
Was all it took to convince me lmao
static yacht
Yeah controller feels so ass to play on but then every once in a while you hit a...
The spiritual feeling when AA pulls your crosshair enough to finish your oneclip 🔥
wintry cypress
My first game of roller I dropped a 2k in a pred lobby and got a 1v3 few games l...
I could never lmao
I feel handicapped asf on a controller
wintry cypress
The spiritual feeling when AA pulls your crosshair enough to finish your oneclip...
Genuinely
And then you try to adjust your crosshair onto the enemy yourself and aim assist punishes you 🔥
static yacht
I genuinely don't even bother actually strafing when I played roller
Just antimirror and that's it
wintry cypress
Who needs to dodge when you can win every fight due to aimbot
static yacht
Those small moments in dodge when you antimirror for a brief period is enough to make AA kick harder
wintry cypress
😭
Controller gameplay is basically just optimizing your strafes to maximize aim assist strength
empty thistle
I feel handicapped asf on a controller
Did you play it as a kid?
static yacht
I'm genuinely convinced that anyone who's comfortable with strafing techniques on MnK will go to roller and be pred
wintry cypress
Did you play it as a kid?
Yes
static yacht
In terms of mechanics
wintry cypress
I played some black ops 2 on a controller on ps3
And that only had slowdown i believe
wintry cypress
I defo remember slowdown but idk about rotational
empty thistle
Rotational is new
static yacht
I mean 30-35% is doable average on R5 but yeah in game youre also focused on oth...
Btw SR Koyful average 47% accuracy on r5
But that's koy
empty thistle
Didn’t xander hit 52 before the nerf
empty thistle
Just a r5 roller grinder
static yacht
Maybe
empty thistle
Mb 51
wintry cypress
Btw SR Koyful average 47% accuracy on r5
Great
empty thistle
We’re trying to become kovaaks gods just to hit 35 😭
empty thistle
This was an old ss
static yacht
We’re trying to become kovaaks gods just to hit 35 😭
I'm sorry brother you can't beat soft aimbot
empty thistle
Actually I afk’d a game or two and went like 5/52
Was trying out different controllers and the cables not working
wintry cypress
We’re trying to become kovaaks gods just to hit 35 😭
At least im having fun while playing 😭
static yacht
valid point
empty thistle
I think you either become a movement player or play for fun on mnk
static yacht
POT triple mnk EU team slammed yesterday
empty thistle
I'm sorry brother you can't beat soft aimbot
True
wintry cypress
I think you either become a movement player or play for fun on mnk
I stopped sweating my balls off in fps games a long time ago
I just play kovaaks and hop on the game every once in a while
empty thistle
I wouldn’t mind going for pred if I don’t have to play too much and school is gonna mean I cant kovaaks much from next year
So roller makes a lot of sense for me
wintry cypress
Yea valid
static yacht
I wouldn’t mind going for pred if I don’t have to play too much and school is go...
pred sounds very aspiring for D3 player
are we deadass
wintry cypress
pred sounds very aspiring for D3 player
Small skill big dreams
static yacht
I'm not even sure I'll hit masters in lifetime at this point
