#apex
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ah. i understand now...it rewards you a looooot more for headshots than doing body.
thanks fellas. I'm going to keep at it. 
I BELIEVE IN YOU

today was a day of gains. 
...now if only i could get my click scores to a proper level.
bro why are you playing pubs
is it that launch royale?
you’re going to get there eventually
that is horrible
how nice they’re letting us relive the input lag or whatever it is
this season is cooked
no its smoother
by far
but its terrible in terms of loot
and other shit
whats this visual clutter shield thing? im tripping or was always there?
its new
its a bug
i probably couldn’t adjust to the weirdness
it honestly felt like i was being slowed down
kk, ur free for 1v1? need to unwash myself
not rn ranking
Wtf they made it worse

They added a lot of "quality of life" "improvements"
Like now your character screams out in agony whenever youre low on ammo or health just to make sure you realize
Great stuff
The game has been going downhill ever since i stopped giving them money very interesting 😔
?????
what r u saying man
dude spent million on apex😂
Its just like helldivers!
to be fair u can turn that off in the gameplay tab
Did not know that! Ty
but yeah the shield flashing, the game flashing red on the health and shield icons when u don't have any health or shield
annoying
this season in ranked
annoyingn
for sure
what im saying
Never play in the beginning on the season
Ever
Shits sweaty
As shit
poor nunu
even in bronze 😭
yee norm its only on the edges of the screen its like all stretched and weird atm
back from sparring. 
coach says i say "sorry" too much after landing a hit.
i got bonked
is apex stair 1v1 on aimlab bugged the scores seems so different with the same acc and shots
Headshot bonus
is that a scen where dummies shoot back?
launch royale ends in only 11 days? 
Mode's garbage anyway
it's the first time I've had fun in apex in at least 2 years
Was fun for a lil but it really shows how dated that shit was
literally
it shows how much more fun it was than the current shit
evo shields are nice but the newer gun and ability balance just feels so anti-fun
map feels better too
Old apex feels a lil cod-like because of higher ttks and no evo shields
Map may be better or worse idk but we literally have kc with skulltown in the game rn so
wym skull town? the new relic poi is nit skulltown and not comparable
Its got the buildings aside from the center ones
yeah the center is what makes skull town
the side buildings are present all over the map
Ngl tho seeing the old skulltown and the rolling sand dunes went so hard
Especially the sand dune part when the flying loot thing lands there, that was a blast to the past
Great nostalgia trip but still wouldnt play more than 10 games of that mode
ya if they just added evo shields and you spawned with white shield it'd be perfect
I just like these guns a lot more as they are than in the new version
and I prefer the original legends a lot more
Definitely nice having less legends
yes thats cancer appart from that its great

Huh
someone died in my firing range i guess
the new bloodhound heirloom animations are sick
my fav loom just got better 
probably he left and you joined in after that
i like hearing the voicelines ngl
also i think it helps casual players
devs be like "so u can get 300fps with dx12? well fuck u😂"
they even know this bug exist?
things being tied to fps is such a console thing to happen. Same shit happened with RoR2 with the DLC update, they fucking tied everything into FPS because on console it doesnt matter but on pc where you can get upwards of 480frames it completely broke the physics and spawning
ror2?
Risk of Rain 2
bruh i noticed it in og mode and thought its something from the past
lol never heard of that game
Goated Rogue like
i still dont understand what a rogue like is
A game like rogue

yes. i love this mouse as much as the attack shark! ...still going to get a waizowl(?) Cloud though.
yeah i was supposed to get the Cloud first but they sold out really really quickly.
....and i may or may not have had some anime merch as priority during that time
😆
I dunno but i've heard some neat things about it and want to try it myself. plus it sounds cool.
the name i mean. waizowl c l o u d
thts true it does sound cool
let us know how it is
I'm impaitiently waiting for the hyperlight
cant stand wait times
how long did you wait?
my gpx double clicks so much I'm losing my mind
I think I'll try to fix it myself by opening it up today
aw mannn
I guess I'll have to wait too
3 more days
I bought some jade skates
and I bought another g sr se because I got roasted for cleaning my mousepad and ruining it
I may have cleaned it with bleach
and thrown it in the washing machine
and scrubbed it with a brush
💀💀
apparently the coating was supposed to stay on, I basically took it off right away
I think the proper cleaning tech was to just gently wipe or smth
bleaching a mousepad

thats certainly A choice
not one a sane human would choose but hey ho
ehehe...
disciplined is just built different.
this g sr se must be a really nice mousepad if you're going for another.
just something about it
they say the gsrse blue one and red one are the same
but imo completely different feel
rouge was so much better
now I wanna try the gris
a black variant of it
maybe it'll be better maybe worse, I must test

I'd get one but i already have my heart set on something else...
this is the art that i was yapping about earlier this week. gonna be my next mousepad design. 

sometimes I feel like the design can impact the glide n stuff but it's no big deal
it looks cool
is that how that works...?
here i was hoping that it would be like my Yuki Aim XL pad.
i am such a mnk noob
thanks
me too so don't believe in me, I'm just yapping
Echo 🤝 Disciplined
Professional yapping
@placid root forgot how fast lifeline resets 
LMAO
which squad
was it the zip building fight
gibby, lifeline
when did you even start playing mnk
Yuki aim is amazon quality

WE ALMOST KILLED YOU
lemme know you're ready for round two
yea buy a xim
@twilit flicker dyknow how to disable names in lg?
like 2yrs ago. 
what would you recommend then? 
They're hereeeee
Umm artisan
Or if like u wanna print that design
Xraypad

this is the shit
FL OZ though haHA
and not plastic bottle
drink this more than water
yeah i was so surprised to see this. i'd only ever known the plastic bottle variant!
i love these bad boys.
it's a 12 pack of my babies.
🥲
damn
this vendor has a matcha one too. crazy work
30 pack of 15oz bottles for 18 bucks here xd
when i moved to japan i more or less stopped with sugar drinks, i do drink a fair bit of sugar free energydrinks but most soda i stopped drinking entirely, switched to tea
w choice
yah, i lost roughly 50kg/100lbs in less than a year after moving lmao
lifestyle change
that'd certainly do it.
when i started fighting and eating clean i shedded quite a bit.
feels good.
yeah it does, first tiem in my life i wasnt fat
then i got a gf and instantly gained some weight lmao

too many konbini nightruns

I had this convo sitting on my second screen
get destroyed. 
time to get a membership at a gym or at home.
gym is fking expensive in japan though

they also have this stupid tiering of membership so the "normal" ones which are like 70-100 bucks are only usable at that specific location
while selling a higher tier that works in more stores
it’s okie we like our bf chonky
my mixed martial arts gym is 150 but they get you into shape with a nice workout and self defence.
what was japan cooking
gym is extremely niche
due to social norms
feminine boys is the shit
not jacked testo dudes
when i mean feminine boys i dont mean like soyboys or that kind
tell me more. 
pretty boyos?
ohhh i see. clean cut, clear face, bright eyed types...
with really effeminate features. interesting...
so this is "hot" in Japan.

slender and smooth body and faces is the shit
no idea who or what that is lmao
she has multiple cds and shit from him, she used to be a diehard fan
she even won some raffle for a meet and greet
Urushi Rushia was a vtuber who was Hololives number 1 draw for a long, long time. it got leaked that she was having relations with him and a looooooooot of stuff happened.
she was abusing the guy and cheating on him too
...but yeah this is neat lol.
oh damn
yeah the whole idol, fangirl/boy shit i distance myself from
its extremely toxic and dumb in japan
true 
I do have some personal stakes in that opinion though
the first girl i ever dated was secretly spending insane amounts of money on one idol group for a specific guy, i will never forget when she asked me for money so she could get some new clothes because she was going to disneyland with some friends, later got to know the entire point of the disneyland trip was so she could go go on some date esque thing with the idol guy
xddd
ever since then i will always gag whenever i see anything idol related lmao
jesus christ
never gotten played that hard before, i remember when i found her hidden twitter acc lmao
she would upload anything and everything
her friendgroup, basically all of them were spending insane amounts of money on these idol guys for pictures, handshakes, dates and whatnot

degeneracy of japan
I don't understand how one can be such a big fan of a person they don't personally know
her explaination was that it was not out of love or affection but rather feeling the sense of being a part of those guys development and entry into fame as an artist/idol


i did some research into it, basically they have these live concerts, which btw men are not allowed to attend lmao. a ticket to these shows cost 1000 yen, 1000 yen equals one point, you can spend more money on things like cds and merch or even outright "donate" more for the ticket. i.e paying 50k for a ticket would net you 50 points and then with these points you could claim different rewards
the highest reward is generally some kind of 1on1 date for a few hours
but anyhow fuck that, extreme degeneracy
Fr
what the fuck am i even reading bro
VT needs to sign em.
YES
I am harris, let me change my name rq
i just uninstalled fortnite. a guy that i was fighting pulled out a rocket launcher, shot near my body for 80 hp and killed me with a spray
😭
hit em with the widow
yeah i love widow [whiff] [whiff] [whiff]
no but actually though
i can't hs consistently enough
lol
for some reason with Ashe, sure
but widow not so much...
i thought we usually grow out of that phase
ew
lmao, dunno at what that age would be but she was born 03
honestly prefer ragehackers
less kanker to deal with
EU pubs 
if i play something else tonight its gotta be an animu game. srys
me no understand
np
I suppose I'll play some league then
Fuck na
The new shield break visual clutter shit infuriates me. What was the point of addin it? Ah yes my shield was broken and I cant see.
the devs hate the players.

Its a bug
its listed in their tracker and it is under "investigating"
so maybe fixed in 2 weeks LOL
its nearly unplayable
Stop breaking things! :C
owo?
owo
What's This?
LMAOOO
fuq is that shiet
no
take it to firingrange
arts and crafts ah skin
why are people complaining about just a casual silly little exploit thats only useable in pubs
it doesn't give them an advantage lol
is this satire
other games: disable their new feature causing bugs, look into them and fix.
apex: 
Apex: 🗿
Stares motherfuckerly*
i want the bost kit back
i died many times doing stupid shit
i literally donated kills while having fun
@unborn token yo whats the technique to predictable short strafes
im struggling lol, i keep overflicking and cant stay on target
stay in the middle of the bot
wdym
just
shoot the bot
just track it like any other
ah right
this makes sense just a skill issue rn lol
send me sheet
sheet?
yuh
@craggy prairie yo whats nekopara?
OH GOD
nah genuinely what is it
Sounds like you're trying to immediately get back onto it instead of reading and accelerating towards it. If you're trying to flick into them on a short strafe odds are by the time you've flicked and tried to micro correct they'll have changed direction. Worse yet it makes it harder to see what the target is doing.
Just relax and be smooth
Cause apex players are cringe
A wonderful story with beautiful art by the artist Sayori about bonding with your cat girls.
Smile
💀
my goat next up pred
We lost -65 x 3
FUCK
effect is on a different level
Dont be fooled, he will grind at the start of the season. Run into 3 cheaters and then wont play and will mald for the rest of the season "its pointless to play"

Jokes on y I didn't do that
did swdn end up holding pred
didn’t play the last day
i kinda zoned out of the game while he was grinding
so just dropped out
when reformed told me about it i shed a tear
but it could be worse
you could be like me
S20 split 1 pred 

ive not properly played in like 2 seasons now. Mainly done bp stuff
but kind of want to again
im sure a few games will sort me right out and remind me why i got away
last season i wasn’t playing on my main account the first split so i didn’t get that BP done
W
(i didnt do 2nd split)
doesn’t make me feel as bad for not getting it now
i feel that 😭
ok
we need a bobapara then
do you wanna bond with your cat girl?
Vanilla was quite the cutie pie.

i only have a baka girl
bobas ontop
gasp

blasphemy
u just have never felt the warm touch of a smoko pearl boba
what about cinnamon?
cinnamon is great!
really, really horny, but great.
ah. we have a boba place near the house. its so tasty. 
my reaction when the boba is bussin'
what abt Coconut? i was a big fan. the big strong cutie that's the big crybaby.
so good....

Uhm
"sus dayo" moment
what is this discord update
i cant be the only 1 noticing this
why does it look like this now

i dont see anything
what?
that visual clutter is something else 💀
Respawn doesn't get that SCREEN CLUTTER isn't part of the OG apex we wanted and somehow managed to fuck it up and add it into every mode
Hot take but support meta is actually so much fun
They can buff the other classes and make every class op 
Thank you!! 🙏 this helps a lot
i have 10 games played this season and that visual clutter is the reason why
i can’t see anything if i’m getting shot at
now the fuck am i gunna kill someone when i can’t even see what im shooting at
Happy to hear it helped
time to lower the FPS
they had the time to get rid of the hover perk but not the visual clutter
Good thing they ruined the performance last season 
So I'm forced to anyway
slept 12 hrs I feel like I time skipped
P2w irons?
bros aiming with a literal brick as a weapon 😹
this is ice cold right?
any gamers?
Yes
@ocean flamewanna play the new mode with me?
have friends to play apex with challenge impossible
New mode sucks

im masters i just discovered you can hold down the eva
Anyone else having problems downloading the R5 update? Keeps getting stuck at different packages.
nope
i did not. 
i do not trust dots.
oh nooo
you’re joining the dark side


playing season for the first time why'd the buff support legends to the moon
bro i am
cooking with the viper v3 pro dot skates
finally off that shitty gpx (not gpx 2)
upgrade buff. 
ya its not even the hyperlight
maybe ill be mega cracked on hyperlight with dot skates
he do be cookin
who was it
doing well in kickboxing and improving in aim training.
yey
thts weird, they gave me dots with the attack shark
and using the dots on my mice rn
idk, glide feels smooth it's great
I'll try dots with hyperlight and lyk
maybe you're missing out on goated tech
I see
oh they did i thought that you were asking if i used them my b.
what pad?
whats wrong with dots
they sink in on soft pads
make the base scrape the pad
this 
g sr se
interesting
havent experienced that with my lgg saturn
i am well. had a lil gaming sesh before i head off to bed in a bit. how u
i agree but i won't settle until like 8 😩
it gets worse after gym. i wish that i could attend morning classes but that's when i work lol...
pretty much why im considering winding down atm its already 8 lmao
oof productive days are good tho
so true bestie moment 
depends on how soft your pad is and how much u press down while aiming some never have any problems on xsoft pads other have problems on soft pads
oh word you're so true
do you wanna continue this convo in dms cuz i think we're flooding tf out of apex chat LOL
i will!
the s0 mode sucks?
s0 mode is fire i love when the wingman actually works
Man that shit is turbo busted
win every trade with 4x r99
and aimbot
https://streamable.com/seeb7k small clip dump
bomba
niceu
Is bro turbogaining
Lobbies are free af rn tbh. About to hop off because we're duo qing and one of our usual thirds will be on closer to the afternoon
I haven't played in like 4 days
Yea usually its a pretty slow gain from plat - master but im just blitzing through plat rn every other game is a win with kp
Most of the top 500 are already pred or they're just scrimming and playing other shi
Yea I think ive only fought maybe 3 pros so far this season. Usually its every game for the first week
Yeah, the first week is always when you'll fight all the pros. After that it chills out a lot(third week is when everybody starts getting close to plat/diamond)
+600 over 5 duo q games isn't too bad. If the lobbies are the same we'll def gain a crap ton more when we have our usual boi
typeshit
just finda lifeline and a Newcastle main
Code ai Newcastle and lifeline and play with them
rahhh Echo jumpscare
idk solo q in eu has been free for me
nice clips
wtf, does newcastle just have a massive circle wall now? or what was that
lifeline
oh naw
nah that alternator clips should be illegal
and heres the spooker
anyone elses r5 sending them straight to the regular game
fuck yeah im game
ur chillin
back from the finals. this is me after running into light players
head shake included
just woke up it's cooked
;=;
guys, please wait for my caustic montage!
dub
who apexing
Hair pull solo qing here
Fair enough, I do not blame ya
y want
Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, I'm down 123858002, or IGN same as here
@inland briar yall gaming rn?
so sad there's no enjoyable game out there
have you ever heard of Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Spla-
😹
@craggy prairie this mouse is taking more than 7 days to deliver
so sad
it only just arrived to Canada
oh god. that has to be a pain in the ass.
the finals
yall never orderd from china or what
nop
isn't it almost dead?
idk about those but i have 0 issues finding games in any mode in the finals
u know if they added tdm mode?
bank it is basically tdm

I feel like everyone kinda knew tho the finals, xdefiant, spectre divide r gonna die
just shitty versions of already existing games
sry cant help yall
the finals is probably the most fun fps I've played
I 3 stack with my friends all the time, hella fun
what is the finals a Version of and when did it die i dont see it dead
just coz its giga hype is over doesn't mean its dead
Apex legebds is the best game
peak simultaneous players and arround 10-15 average
especially in a game like the finals where u need 12 players for the biggest modes having arround 1000 lobbies simultaneously filled at average isnt dead to me
and thats steam without console
so sad for xdefiant, the game is fun but have fumbled to become a better version of cod imo
It just didnt stick for me
Was defo fun game tho
But never something id grind tho
At some point i feel like sbmm came on too strong just like with the finals and apex
People start hyper sweating in public matches
yeah like always, also the desync was really bad
i will be happy with audio fix, really balanced character/weapons and no meta playing, but it's impossible
Yeah, was a lot worse in the closed beta tho
looks underage and sus
bro doesnt know honey pie 😿
💀
Xdefiant was such a miss. They had like a year worth of input and let the biggest issues remain unchanged for launch.
It's a shame because the core stuff felt OK but the desync and certain abilities needed to be dealt with before they released it. Definitely feels like a game that had no real direction until the last two years of dev time given the early play tests.
Yeah, so much potential and so much feedback, yet nothing fixed
yeah if i grinded a fps game/kovaaks still
but i dont cause theres no good fps games rn
It's sad because the FPS market is literally free. Make a good game that doesn't abuse its playerbase psyche for more than two minutes and it's GG.
back from gym. 
clearly not because every new fps game is a failure
and wasn’t xdefiant literally just a cod clone 😭
It's cause every new fps game doesn't rly try to be unique
this is how pred player play😂
Can someone tell me where is r5 EU servers?
Better invest 400m and 8 years into never once realizing most hero shooters as competition don't cost 40 bucks.
And honestly the closed tests I played of xdefiant before felt way more hero shooter focused than CoD.
if they are like the finals then people dont play it coz it aint cod
that wasnt the finals problem tho
finals cucked themselves after launch by not fixing anything people complained about since the beta and then doing repeated bad and disliked "balance" changes
so everyone dropped the game
Heavy class just ruins that game
Doesn’t low kp games in plat/diamond not get really boring though?
@craggy prairie mouse is here
lets fkn go
this coating is nice bro
mouse is also light as fk
wait i got a dongle with the mouse
is that not the 8k dongle?
yeah exactly
i hope the new battlefield will be good
but

probably
?
Do u not enjoy games u play?
this meta is actually so cancer and unskillful its crazy how many people say its great
you cant even be punished for playing like a complete ret4rd and it shows
every ape that has 0 idea how to approach the game now relies on the 3x turbo healing speed and the ability to reset in 0.2 ms
fuck fighting properly to not get 3pd or hold it off
just press a button and you no longer need to have any ounce of competence
absurd
nope did u not look at the site the 8k dongle is separately available
ye ive been watching int scrims, i still dont understand the reasoning to buff support that much
nearly all of the characters in that class are good
I mean I’m pred/high masters having a 2kp game just seems very mundane and boring in my experience…
Unless it’s before top 10 of course but being top 5 with 2kp seems boring IN MY OPINION
No sadly.
You’re entitled to that opinion!
I personally enjoy aspects of the game such as rotation and presence through poking
Kills are one component of the gameplay loop
High kills (without dying) especially in ranked still require those skills just to a higher skill level and understanding of the mechanics etc but regardless was just a question since it isn’t the most common opinion that’s all 🙂
dogshit meta force by incompetent devs
simply bc supports had low pick rate
with more legends being insanely versatile
yeah the dongle for the mouse looks just like the 8k one eaxcept the white
support had low pick rate before? damn
i think it’s slightly up now?
At high elo and comp other than Newcastle definitely
it’s pretty small by all accounts but clearly profitable
Meta was super aggressive before
1/8 apex size on pc
yeah its doing alright, the main issue was it lost like 90% of the playerbase in the first month due to the bad updates and then no one went back
only the people who cared
Tbh the only reason why the meta is kind of toxic rn is because Mirage Rez and Gold Armor passive being universal to all supports is ridiculous power creep
Like I’m expecting next patch to be ‘assault bins give gold weapons’
it could have kept like a good 30% more players than it has now if they didnt mess it up imo
Because that’s how ridiculous the passives are
AND lifeline 20% revive time is universal too
AND the support character benefits even if a non support revives them
They need to make support revive no longer work in heat
And probably kill support 2x small heals passive
And revert Newcastle revive shield buffs
Maybe force lifeline to only be able to doc Revive one character at a time
tbh only reason im somewhat intrested in this game is watching comp
ok the mouse is pretty nice
but i need to not use dots for it i think
is what it feels like to me
yup
be like me
support pickrate went up when aurora started using lifeline
just watch the game and never touch it ever
yeah legit
uninstalled it 2 week ago not fun
last thing i want to do after work is play a game that makes me mad
basically this
what r u talking about
you dont go invis when y get resed
im slowly starting to become an lg player 👎
think he on about the extra health after res perk
i am black
i mean that still isnt the same thing
and mirage did not have something like this before
GG
true true
nah but this meta is hard cancer
feels like over time teamfighting has gotten more and more brainded from a spectators pov
like bh meta
or that fuse evac shit
or even crypto
press button get info ape peeps
the fact supps can res you and your health regens to full in the zone is so so bad
give 0 fucks bc u press 1 button that completely negates u getting punished for any sort of mistake you make
and on top of this other teams now have to play way better to be able to kill you
yeah also like how is there no counters to this meta
makes big sense
there are
does maggie even counter with her drill length perk?
coz thats the only thing i can think of
doesnt do
maggie ash lifeline just turbo int everyone
shit
wtf is that😂
horrible comp
no
yup
newc stuns it no?
just no
and it cant tether thru wall or bubble?
he is gonna sit there with his shield and the lifeline will stall anyway
it really has no impact
ash was good bc u could fuck people like rev pathy and bang
that is the sole reason she was good
it canyt
cant*
you have to be inside
ye so she ass counter
it wont have impact
its 20 dmg + temporary cc that is already meaningless bc they r in 2 bubbles healing 50x
working good for me in solo que plat 1 and barely played this season
just push get close snare free kill
brother
its soloq ranked
you could run anything
and win
@narrow swiftmeta is so cancer infact we did like 3k damage on ateam and we still lost
maybe less than 3k
but its still fucking insane how stupid it is
get fucked man
i did 1k alone
and we still could not kill anyone
thats why horizon might go meta
she is dogshit ish bc she doesnt rly offer anything atm for other aspects of the game
but being able to q over gibby ult / no audio int bubble ON TOP of ult late game
is a solid enough reason for her to be played if she is paired with the proper legends
shit like castle / path or catalyst
would go well
she still bit weak for it tho
you got that good zaza
i am far more knowledgeable at the game than you are
i also explained the entire reasoning behind it
if you didnt read it thats on you
nothing to do with ego
you said ash is good i said she is bad i explained why and then i said horizon could be a better counter to current meta given certain conditions w good team comp and your response was
lol
k
you got that good zaza
lmao
big ego
but sure
you mad bro?
you come off as a massive prick
i just dont get why yr response is that
thats just yr perception
i am just giving an opinion
i respect yours
i just believe its wrong
thats all
wraith meta
i think that’s just how games work
has mostly not much to do with how they acted
new games have a big playerbase and then lose a lot of it
within weeks
ngl u seem to be mad because somebody logically talked to you
some people dont like logical reasoning...
like if u have a oppinion thats not theirs and u put effort into reasoning they feel attacked coz they lack the capabilities to reason back
i think she can be good with horizon or maggie as anti meta
no she is terrible and worst to play trust
unfortunately newcastle and lifeline revive don't count as abilities i think
according to this chat
so he's still useless
oh so you just have to land Q on a knock before they can start it
which often times happens almost immediately
well if youre lucky / silenced early they havent deployed shields yet
does seer's buff that gives him 2 reduce silence duration
i still think hes probably ass rn
because no mobility
no defense
ig if you run him specifically to shut off support resets
and play for that with pushy comp
it works fine
so similar to old horizon seer bang meta where it's just push and eat
could find anything like that on the wiki
i feel like it would be challenging to consistently land the silence tho if the NC or lifeline is playing separate from the knock
if you wait for them to go to the knock they'll press E before you silence
on paper it sounds strong but he seems really high risk since if the silence doesn't go off he's basically useless
part of why he was super reliable before was that he had utility against already knocked players specifically since they aren't able to reposition to get away from focus of attention
and even if you silence the newcastle, you also have to silence the lifeline or the gibby
or the other support will just stick instead
i think i can see situations where running seer feels really good, and situations where it just does nothing at all





