apex

[sly lynx]

idk if it was bugged

[mental ridge]

youre more smoothbrained than me

[sly lynx]

try me bitch

[mental ridge]

wym try you

like this?

[quaint karma]

absolutely nothing skilled about OP shotguns

shit is plain to see rn

most skillless meta i have ever seen

[ocean flame]

Pellets are just too big rn

Mastiff hitting for 45 dmg from 40 meters

Shotguns r fun imo... still super broken but its fun ...

[sly lynx]

when your ranked teammates have snipers and you have two close range guns 💀

i’ve literally been forced to play snipers because my team doesn’t push

that’s the only sniper i use

i drop everything else

senti 3x i’m happy

[alpine trail]

I'm practicing roller

gonna be goated on the sticks

[craggy prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrTmkDXhVlQ

[mental ridge]

u mean youll Figure out how not to disrupt aimassist and let it do its thing

[ocean flame]

Swapping to the sticks in shotgun meta after aa nerf

[mental ridge]

i mean aa still exists

and if u turn over a enemie it slows down and partially tracks the enemie
so the time window to hit shotgun shots is way bigger

eva 8 is basically a smg

just track in hipfire at full auto

i mean u dont pull it out at long range so youll have to deal with a ar or a wingman

what do u mean with gm

[sly lynx]

why is that so real

even on roller he was an aa schizo

[alpine trail]

yup

[alpine trail]

better input

[craggy prairie]

thoughts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4KoKib7_oA

[mental ridge]

its9pm

[sly lynx]

i’ve been seeing that everywhere 😭

[craggy prairie]

what do you think of it

[alpine trail]

it's ok I swapped to mnk and then dropped 3k dmg

[craggy prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-23255629

[alpine trail]

but I'll still try to swap to roller

[sly lynx]

honestly they had it coming

[sly lynx]

joining the dark side hehe

[mental ridge]

why

did u plateau on mnk and belive u cant get any better or what

[sly lynx]

shut up let him have his roller moment

[mental ridge]

no its a waste of time

[sly lynx]

it’s not?

[mental ridge]

playing roller is a waste of time

[sly lynx]

you wanting to try something new

[sly lynx]

same as trying MnK with input lag

[craggy prairie]

i agree but do you think that they'll do enough to regain people and retain them?

[sly lynx]

hmmm

i don’t really think they’re going to do enough to gain favor again

they might try something that won’t make a big impact to their past mistakes

[ocean flame]

Doubt respawn is competent enough to do anything

[mental ridge]

yes

[ocean flame]

They can try

[sly lynx]

shhhHHHHH

[arctic violet]

and playing mnk is what?

[sly lynx]

is a jolly time

[twilit flicker]

if its fun its not a waste of time

[mental ridge]

i just wished i belived in myself way more b4 ending up with 6k hours on roller

[ocean flame]

?!

[craggy prairie]

6k hrs...?

[ocean flame]

6k ? 1

[mental ridge]

a sensible sensation

[mental ridge]

yes

[sly lynx]

they’re definitely going to try the player base is plummeting

[sly lynx]

shame on you

[craggy prairie]

i don't even have 6k hrs in apex legends.

[arctic violet]

yeah having 6k hours on game without even trying to go pro isn't a waste of time right?

[twilit flicker]

not everyone wants to go pro

[sly lynx]

6k hrs in apex legends or 6k hrs playing roller in general

[arctic violet]

so let the people enjoying things if they have fun

[sly lynx]

apex isn’t the only game guys

[ocean flame]

Nobody plays 6k hours of apex legends and has fun for even half of those hours

[arctic violet]

not "playing controller is a waste of time"

[sly lynx]

ew

[ocean flame]

Anyone with that many hours in apex definitely spent most of those hours suffering

[sly lynx]

i mean everyone has their opinion

[mental ridge]

pros have like double my time lol or tripple

7k isnt that much over almost 6 years

[arctic violet]

u just don't get

[mental ridge]

and idk how much is just idle time

[craggy prairie]

so real.

[sly lynx]

mine is definitely idle time because of some dood always taking breaks

[mental ridge]

id i went from absolutely dogshit with 0 shooter experience to master level on roller now i just play mnk for fum

[craggy prairie]

me booting up senran kagura series and other bangers by Marvelous

[arctic violet]

dude u think mnk is gym for ur brain, I'm not even try talking to u😂

[sly lynx]

you have your point roller is brain damage

[mental ridge]

im a professional casual

[craggy prairie]

what the-

[twilit flicker]

i just like shooting my gun

i tried scrims but it aint for me

[arctic violet]

keep believe and repeat that to urself

[sly lynx]

when i play roller i don’t feel like i’m actually using my brain

[mental ridge]

mnk gives u way better hand eye coordination and makes u improve your reaction time alot

[mental ridge]

i mean learning to play max sense on roller isnt realy a go pro move
if i wamted to go pro id play 4 3 linear but thats boring af

[sly lynx]

4 3 linear is goated 🥲

[alpine trail]

it wouldn't be apex chat if we didn't argue over something I guess

[mental ridge]

yes

[craggy prairie]

....hey. i just noticed. Wraith got changes to her kit and hitboxes that nerfed her while Rev is sitting pretty with a remake that's raised his use rate and win rate and Lifeline is getting really special treatment as well

[twilit flicker]

aimer7 is schizo

[craggy prairie]

what the hell, man?

[arctic violet]

keep going, this brainrot is so fun 😂

[mental ridge]

like mechanics wise and gameplay wise roller is just inferior to mnk the only thing that makes it enjoyable is aimassist but at that point u might just wanna go the extra easy route and use illegal aimassist

[sly lynx]

valk user rate raised tooo and she had like two things redone 😭

[alpine trail]

i would use mnk aimassist cheats if I could

[twilit flicker]

shes really strong rn

[sly lynx]

her perk is insane

unlocked potential

[craggy prairie]

hmm

[arctic violet]

you will be a crazy smart billionare if u keep playing mnk, that's ur argument

[craggy prairie]

i forgot about valk. i guess i've spent so much time mentally blocking her out because her voice and face annoys me

lol

[sly lynx]

i’m actually going to cry

theo why

[mental ridge]

exercising your brain is never a bad thing it keeps you sharp

aimtraining and going to a gym is probably a good way to make yourself this fit and sharp grandpa

[sly lynx]

they’re just trying to say it helps with coordination and brain cognition and this is coming from a roller brain

why am i the only sane person here

[mental ridge]

add in some yoga and some strategie gameplay and you wont age

[sly lynx]

you’re forgetting collagen

[arctic violet]

guys @mental ridge the all knowing with a phd in everything have discovered how to don't age, just play fps with mnk and go to gym

[alpine trail]

thts cap

[craggy prairie]

it is true by my account. i am quite insane/.

[alpine trail]

echo is sane

he lie

[craggy prairie]

totally sane

[sly lynx]

some random ass beef out of nowhere

[sly lynx]

insane gamer

[craggy prairie]

yeah the arguing on discord isn't my thing. i save my aggression for the ring.

[alpine trail]

insane in the membrane?

[mental ridge]

do yoga and some problem solving of choice

[craggy prairie]

god i wish

but that is why i haven't given up on aim training (yet)

[sly lynx]

same

[mental ridge]

i just feel like alot of people confuse oppinionated discussions with arguing

[mental ridge]

like who do u gonna spar with? your boba?

[craggy prairie]

aimer7 guide...? wasn't that deemed outdated some time ago

[sly lynx]

i mean in definition it is an argument 🤓👆

[craggy prairie]

i can see that. but some of these feel like they get kind of personal. (not saying you specifically)

[unborn token]

center zone supremacy

( i didnt have ammo )

[craggy prairie]

hmm

[sly lynx]

it should be a civil argument obviously but suddenly you guys are talking like a bunch of girls on pms with your little attitudes

[unborn token]

most of my dmg unironically is my rockets

😭

[craggy prairie]

that's fine. get back out there and do 4k

[mental ridge]

i have a bad habbit of phrasing my discussion in a way that i could be called rage bait

[narrow swift]

i hate the term rage bait

[craggy prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/atharva-subhan-pratik-gif-26480835

[sly lynx]

relying on your sass

[narrow swift]

or phrase whatever the fuck

[mental ridge]

i have post apex syndrome

[sly lynx]

i’m taking back the plushie

you don’t deserve it

[mental ridge]

my boba stays in my bed

[sly lynx]

[sly lynx]

so supportive qwq

[craggy prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-gif-14020839647007962499

[alpine trail]

I just be using roller to have aim assist

[craggy prairie]

i need to rewatch Gunsmith Cats.

[sly lynx]

echo is the cleanse to this chat

[alpine trail]

0 missed bullets and calls

[sly lynx]

you should’ve played roller in it’s prime T^T

[sly lynx]

[alpine trail]

good times pass, I won't get 0.4 but I got 0.3

[sly lynx]

unlucky

[alpine trail]

the bad times also pass

like this initial roller brain I got

I died to zone yesterday

while trying to phoenix kit

[craggy prairie]

guys

if i wanna learn to solo should i play duos solos until i can do high kill high damage consistently

[ocean flame]

i dont think u should learn to solo

bad habits

[craggy prairie]

i see.

well ik what i'm getting sooooon.

[ocean flame]

might be good sometimes but teamplay is much higher prio

[craggy prairie]

teamwork makes the dreamwork and all that power of friendship stuff.

[unborn token]

people sweating revival deserve to hangthemselves

turbovirgin rampart team not moving from their spot for like 3 minutes

and turbo loser failed comp restarts just threestacking like they r playing cc

2 man chasing me

🤡

[craggy prairie]

the apex experience.

it's 5. off to training i go

[alpine trail]

@craggy prairie atk f1 extreme

its 35 grams

and not as expensive

i might actually get that instead

nvm sold out

[lethal barn]

is it worth it to aim train on controller if not then how do i improve my aim

[rose wraith]

Yes it’s worth it since most top summers use linear on apex

[lethal barn]

so do i use aimlabs tracking scenarios, or in game aimtrain?

both maybe?

[rose wraith]

It’s an under explored aspect of training

[lethal barn]

gotcha

[rose wraith]

Most people will just ignore it or tell you you’re stupid for trying

My suggestion is to use fairly easy scenario playlists since aim assist will fix the details at first

Do entry difficulty vdim

If you kill that move to novice vdim

Controller support is only for Aimlabs currently I believe

[severe canyon]

Na you can use roller on Kovaaks

[quaint karma]

you can play controller on kovaaks by turning on steam input

which essentially emulates a mouse

plenty of people do it these days

[lethal barn]

i struggle with long range, like i aim with my movement " left stick" instead of right, since i just mirror strafe in close range. do i just train tracking?

[quaint karma]

although i wouldnt go too far with it unless youre just really bad and need to develop a lot of stick control quickly

most of your aimtraining youd wanna do WITH aim assist

[rose wraith]

Long range apex combines a lot of things such as leading targets and understand weapons handling

[quaint karma]

source: ive been playing controller and aimtraining on it for about a year and a half

and was one of the first people to do it

[rose wraith]

IMO u will get a lot of value out of doing stuff like ground reactive tracking in aim trainers, in apex itself you should only really do spray patterns unassisted

Everything else should be on live server AA

[quaint karma]

@next latch

tell him

[rose wraith]

This is actually an interesting field of study; I’ve been wanting to try coaching some roller players for aim to see how the process differs from mnk

Might have to actually put some hours in myself as a guinea pig to see what transfers well and what doesn’t

[quaint karma]

tbh at this point im not entirely convinced kovaaks transfers as much as people think even on mnk

apex requires very little mouse control, just requires you to know what peoples strafe can be like

[rose wraith]

Mah that’s cap

Aim training matters hugely

[quaint karma]

dont think so

[ocean flame]

Yep

[quaint karma]

i shouldnt be beating celestial reactive players while im gm

[rose wraith]

Apex has non raw aim translation layer that add to cumulative skill

[lethal barn]

am all the way down here bro 😂 😭

[rose wraith]

Objectively good mouse control will make your own aim better

[quaint karma]

i agree with that but your raw mouse control only matters to an extent in apex

i have too much experience to the contrary to believe otherwise

[rose wraith]

That’s every modern game

And that’s on purpose

If raw aim was still prized then we would still be playing tribes and unreal tournament lol

And quake

Since we are not we can only assume that most popular games only allow raw aim to impact a portion of your interactions

But raw aim can benefit nearly everything you do in apex and dramatically improve consistency in situations

[quaint karma]

this is true but theres so many things to learn when it comes to your aim that you have to do inside of the game

[rose wraith]

Specific things such as recoil control and strafe mechanics are almost entirely isolated from raw aim

[quaint karma]

and that you can only learn in the game

[rose wraith]

A lot of aggression in apex requires verticality or fast swings esp in a shotgun meta

[quaint karma]

its not just these things

[rose wraith]

Aim training massively improves dueling against shotguns both using and against

[quaint karma]

although they contribute a lot to it

[rose wraith]

I feel like ‘Kovaaks doesn’t rly do much’ is just too hot a take for me

[quaint karma]

well when i say that i mean you should get a certain baseline for raw aim

past that youre better off focusing on in-game aim

[rose wraith]

As someone who hit master in apex without any aim training at all, getting to Gm has been a massive change in my play making and dueling

It’s actually ridiculous how much more I just close fights and handle my own plays

I find openings way more and one clips happen constantly where before it was basically never

Damage output against arcing and ziplining opponents massively improved

And these are situations you’re in all the time

I also whiff shotties and wingman’s up close way less from all the close strafes invincible practice

My damage increased sure, but the quality of my damage output improved as well

Hitting shots on fast moving or awkward angles for players

[quaint karma]

the issue is theres only so much time in a day to aimtrain

[rose wraith]

How is that an issue

You just do it a bit and then go play your main game

[quaint karma]

yeah but you have to either play kovaaks or do in-game

[woeful garnet]

what if u just dont do that and play the game

[quaint karma]

unless you want to dedicate a lot of time to it

[rose wraith]

Then u will miss out on the benefits of high volume practice for raw aim

U can still be very good at apex without it

But you’ll randomly be very weak in tasks that require it

[quaint karma]

no @next latch

personally i think you should get your tracking to maybe around jade level and then focus mostly on doing in-game exercises

unless youve got the time to spare

but even then you should spend most of your time doing stuff in-game

r5, flowstate

firing range

doubly so for controller

[next latch]

for roller doing more r5 than kovaaks is better for new players , then you can start aimtraining a bit after u get the basics correct (like knowing how to strafe properly etc )

[rose wraith]

Brooo here too??

Ok

[craggy prairie]

back from sweating in gym now time for games.

[rose wraith]

It said it didn’t post for me yeah

Here’s an image of the text

[quaint karma]

@next latch look at this btw

[rose wraith]

It’s a cheat sheet for how to use burst rifles

Weapons handling is one of my specific areas of expertise for apex

[quaint karma]

i just control the recoil reactively but i know people who do it by memorizing the pattern

for burst guns in particular

might evne be better on controller cuz controlling reactively is hard

[rose wraith]

Controlling reactively is required in live conditions for moving targets but understanding recoil patterns is a vital skill for damage output

Especially dmrs

Creating a small grouping on a standing target (i.e. an ambush) is where damage efficiency matters the most

[quaint karma]

yes but his is wrong @next latch

its plainly obvious

this is more accurate

[rose wraith]

? Is someone in here talking and I can’t see them

[quaint karma]

no hes in vc and i cant talk

[rose wraith]

I feel like I’m tripping lmao

[quaint karma]

rn

[rose wraith]

Ohhhh ok

I was like this is bizarre I’m confused

[next latch]

lol

[quaint karma]

💀

[rose wraith]

? I coach melee and p+ too lol

I do sf6 also

It’s sick

Next question

I work at UCO in Oklahoma

Yeah we were the first ones to get one in Oklahoma

It’s badass

[runic copper]

Checkout my VALORANT gameplay recorded with Insights.gg
https://insights.gg/v/2v8LcjkdpTxmAduzJg1CUE

[alpine trail]

nice clip! but i think u might have meant to send that in valorant text chat?

[craggy prairie]

wait what the heck? how do i obtain this secret sauce

[rose wraith]

? Aiming isn’t secret it’s practice

[craggy prairie]

the spray pattern stuff

[rose wraith]

? Shoot a gun in the firing range

[craggy prairie]

understandable have a nice day

[devout tusk]

Legit just shoot the guns at a wall in the range this stuff was figured out the day apex came out and we didnt even have a real firing range back then lol

[tight totem]

i miss how the old firing range looked

the goof yass catapults and the janky 1v1 stone

[devout tusk]

Same tbh

When the game came out tho you had to go through the bloodhound tutorial every time

Until he spawned the guns

[tight totem]

i just started i s7

horizon boom

[rose wraith]

anyone want to play some duos for a bit? NA

[mental ridge]

as a roller player that statement makes sense as somebody with voltaic platinum level mouse control i beg to differ
if i just had better mouse controll i could do so much better in game

[modern oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/itsjadeyanh-jadeyanh-good-gif-5773469662237294378

[bright slate]

I was high ranked in multiple fps games before aimtraining at all

[craggy prairie]

can't relate

apex is why i started playing shooters

[sinful thistle]

what games/ranks

out of curiosity

[bright slate]

Ow/shitstuck4.4k apex/10k hardstuck cba to solo to pred csgo/whatever the one above lem was while forcing scout deagle no util

"High" rank

I guess

I got diamond in 2 weeks on siege

All of that with >10 hours on aimtrainers

Most games is just game sense and dedication to the grind

[mental ridge]

shit makes your game easy if u dont have to compensate with gamesense for lacking aim

u can pull of shit u could never with just gamesense

[bright slate]

I cant think of a ranked game where aim is the highest priority

God like gamesense >above average aim

Imo

[mental ridge]

i think of many times where i wiffed or was limited by my aim

[bright slate]

But how many games have you won only off of your aim

[mental ridge]

i do come from controller the so i have a shitton of gamesense on insane aim

[mental ridge]

u missunderstand my point

gamesense is important but gamesense alone limits you

u cant compensate bad aim entirely with gamesense

[bright slate]

I disagree from a team standpoint

Well

There is passable aim needed

[mental ridge]

if u queue up with 2 rollers sure

[bright slate]

Like

Put zachmazer on the sticks and we are fine

But him on mnk big nono

[mental ridge]

ofc u can get far with mid aim
but if u got good gamesense and actually good aim you can pull of cheesy stuff

[bright slate]

For sure

But you will be caught out more and forced to rely on your aim

[mental ridge]

opens up alot of different possibilities
and u cant see everything comming so when your gamesense fails you can compensate for those situations with aim

[bright slate]

1D players arent very good

[mental ridge]

your whole argument is trading gamesense for aim

wich is not my argument

[bright slate]

Ideally you supplement your gamesense with aim

[mental ridge]

ideally u have a good balance

neither should be bottle necking you

[bright slate]

Agreed

Im not sure which i would rather though. Aim bottleneck or gs bottleneck

[mental ridge]

but how do u know your aim is lacking if you build your gamesense with potentially lacking aim
u learned to play arround it and compensate for it

[bright slate]

Everyone can get better at aiming

[mental ridge]

thus a shitton of possibilities might be hidden from you because they were never a option

[bright slate]

It goes both ways no?

[mental ridge]

i feel like good aim just adds speed to your gameplay
and more speed opens up to your potential play

[bright slate]

Sometimes your aim is an issue and you whiff or you cant get in a position to frag

[mental ridge]

idk i always felt like my gamesense was more dominant than my aim

[bright slate]

I would agree

[mental ridge]

soley because im lazy

[bright slate]

To me at least its more intuitive than aim

I suck at aimtrainers tbh

[mental ridge]

but in the finals im now in a position where i feel like my aim is more dominant than my gamesense

[bright slate]

But i understand them less than i do games in general

[mental ridge]

there is nothing realy to understand about aimtrainers appart from u shouldnt predict to much and u need rhythm for certain tasks

[bright slate]

Ik but aimtraining just doesnt click for me

[mental ridge]

for aimtrainers u gotta learn how to turn of your brain

[bright slate]

That was done 6 years ago

[mental ridge]

sure there are things like pathing etc in multi target scenarios but at the end u need to be reliable precise and fast

look at target follow it until i changes
then dont predict to much but react

[bright slate]

Idk my time for tryharding and caring about fps games is over

So i just cba to aimtrain with meaning

[mental ridge]

same thats why i aimtrain lol coz i just wanna shoot nice

i should aimtrain more

[craggy prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/onimai-mahiro-goodnight-gif-27612654

[mental ridge]

good night
and sweet 2d dreams

[devout tusk]

good aim also turns your own mistakes into wins sometimes, if enemy goes to punish you but you just output way more damage in that timeframe you can make it a 5050

[bright slate]

But why make the mistake in the first place

[devout tusk]

everyone makes mistakes, sometimes the "mistake" is just the enemy made a better decision than you

[bright slate]

Obv you cant make the correct choice 100% of the time

[devout tusk]

also in a br you maybe made the mistake 5 minutes ago and didnt realize

[bright slate]

But why not limit the amount of things you can control

Like choosing to heal rather than fighting with your team

You will 100% get better if you minimize your own mistakes as much as possible

[devout tusk]

you can have both good aim and do those things though

[bright slate]

I agree

[devout tusk]

there will come a time where you get pushed at 50hp

no matter what

[inland briar]

You can limit things like that, but also, sometimes not fighting with your team and healing is sometimes the mistake that causes the loss. Everything is situationally dependent and having a good base is important to help during times when the "correct" path is blurred

[bright slate]

And out of those times your aim might not even be the deciding factor

[devout tusk]

good aim just lets you be more flexible and the enemy less flexible

[bright slate]

I dont disagree with that notion

I just think that with gamesense you can snap them before they can flex at all

Moreso than with aim

[devout tusk]

i think usually yes

[bright slate]

How do you even begin to win against a chess opponent who can see your next move

[devout tusk]

aim to me is like "my queen has 3 lives" in that analogy

[bright slate]

A lot more variables to apex but yeah

[devout tusk]

also just personally mechanics is where i "feel" that i got outplayed the most in games. like obviously i can tell when someone is making better decisions and stuff but they dont actually beat you until youre dead so it feels really bad when its like "if i did 50 extra damage" "if i hit that 1 shot" etc

[bright slate]

Idk that might be cope

[devout tusk]

and i hate the feeling of struggling to aim at something

[bright slate]

Using league as an example

You can set up the gamestate in a way to where the enemy cant play

Even if its "close" you are just beating them everywhere

[devout tusk]

i mean league is completely different and has 4000 systems in place to prevent mechanics from even being relevant most of the time

[bright slate]

Ik but you can very easily abuse human psychology to give yourself an advantage in both games

[devout tusk]

ofc like i think gamesense is more important in apex

but aim like effects the thresholds of things

like how bad of a misplay do you need to make to be punished

or how small of a mistake can you punish from the enemy

[bright slate]

Setting up the game to give you a 60-40 chance of winning before mechanics even come into effect is always good

I do agree that you can punish very hard with good aim 9/10 times

[sly lynx]

valorant is two chats above how can anyone get that wrong 😭

[alpine trail]

all good

i dont judge

[alpine trail]

except for when i do

😈 😭 🪄 🧏🏼 😻

[unborn token]

😭

[novel loom]

any rankers d3+ wanna play?

[rose wraith]

What region

[marsh sentinel]

I am D4 old and washed carry me

I will play supp EZ

[main merlin]

"This company is like a family."🧢

[unborn token]

I LOVE FIGHTING CHEATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[craggy prairie]

the mouse will be here tomorrow

[mental ridge]

@bright slate like a 2v3 is easier if both teammates out beam the enemies

and sometimes you just get fucked over by the 5th party that comes to you while u try to escape the 4th party fighting with the 3rd party

[craggy prairie]

on the outside: 🙂
inside:

[craggy prairie]

odd i thought that i replied to this but it looks like a really sick mouse.

[alpine trail]

I'll play, but in a bit

[alpine trail]

ya it's seemingly just like the hitscan hyperlight

but maybe even a little better?

it's sold out

might wait for it

[craggy prairie]

but better.

i want the owl mouse next. it was on my must have but it sold out...now the darn things are all out and about now that I've got the hyperlight.

[craggy prairie]

welp lmk what it's like when you can.

the hyperlight will be here tomorrow

[alpine trail]

ya

that'll be good

lets see the echo rating

[barren jackal]

is there a way to remove the hipfire crosshair?

like in the configs or something?

[quaint karma]

good game

[woeful garnet]

No

I dont think theyll ever add that option

[ocean flame]

That's big

👍

[sly lynx]

whaaat

the map is refreshing

[barren jackal]

:I

[sly lynx]

you can add your own though

i mean as in overlay

[barren jackal]

yeahh i know

that's what i have

but I just want this wide ass hipfire crosshair to be completely removed

it would be so much cleaner without

[unborn token]

[next latch]

[unborn token]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-staring-cat-cat-mr-fresh-fresh-gif-4714710619997780774

[alpine trail]

https://tenor.com/view/narpy-cute-calculating-ur-cute-you-are-cute-gif-14867200

[craggy prairie]

mousepad art work completed.

[alpine trail]

dub

lets see how that mouse is soon shall we

anyone gaming

[alpine trail]

this new cod seems decent

[alpine trail]

@novel loom you playing?

[rose wraith]

im around if anyone is pushing master or just wants to pub

[alpine trail]

@rose wraith you and i could play with guts but hes just gone

rip

[barren jackal]

guys do you know who named himself "gronimo benavides" in R5?
i just got gapped by that guy in every way

[alpine trail]

roller gameplay in plat

lul

[jade portal]

Console Mozams were indeed better

[tight totem]

eva beats mozam doe

[jade portal]

i was 0.5 inches away from him

i dropped on him with my Lstar out so it was gg

[novel loom]

Sorry I’m eu so I was sleeping 😅

[alpine trail]

ahh I thought you were na for some reason haha

[thick marsh]

Does somebody want to play some ranked? EU servers - low Dia elo.

[unborn token]

Eva beats anything atm

[tight totem]

yea mate am just sayin

misplaced complaint

[novel loom]

except for mastiff on a corner

[sinful thistle]

shawty like a melody

[tight totem]

in my head

[sly lynx]

that i can't keep out

[raven hull]

my ability to read is cooked, i read that as "Shawty like a melon"

im going to go stare at a wall and try work out where it all went wrong

[alpine trail]

@craggy prairie mouse here?

[craggy prairie]

not yet. i was even checking at work to see if it would be waiting for me

[unborn token]

@novel loomgg

[alpine trail]

okok

[alpine trail]

hope you get it soon

[unborn token]

did u give yr mouse to @craggy prairie

[alpine trail]

nop

I rlly need a new one and he's getting the one I want

so I wanna know stuff bout it

not from paid channels "this mouse will change your world..." bs

[unborn token]

straight fucking w the scout

Lil sauce

fucked predstacks bc we the goats

[alpine trail]

dub

414 big

[unborn token]

if obs wasnt bugged

wouldve shown y clips

[alpine trail]

think discord has clipping now too

[unborn token]

waaait what

[alpine trail]

ye but i cant seem to see the keybinds for it

i wonder if they took out disc clipping

[mental ridge]

u gotta streak for that

[alpine trail]

wat does that mean

[unborn token]

tdmed 3 console players

most interesting tdm in existence

[craggy prairie]

@alpine trail It's heeeeere

[mental ridge]

stream*

[alpine trail]

ah i see

yeah that may be it

[alpine trail]

les goo

its looking slick

try it

[craggy prairie]

feels amazing to hold. the coating is great, coating great...now i have to play a game

[alpine trail]

better than the attack shark?

[craggy prairie]

a tad early to be saying that

but it's certainly a great feeling mouse....

[alpine trail]

give it some time lets see

[woeful garnet]

What mouse is this

[craggy prairie]

hitscan hyperlight

[rose wraith]

games?

[severe canyon]

On your phone?

[craggy prairie]

a phone game that i recommend to everyone is definitely princess connect: redive

[rose wraith]

had a sentinel do 105 to me what's up with that?

headshot with a helmet but no amp?

that's all i can think of.

[unborn token]

What mouse is it

I can't see shit

[unborn token]

Ohh

[craggy prairie]

i really really like this mouse already. done while listening to v-tuber asmr.

this mouse is seriously sick

[craggy prairie]

hihi

i surprised myself with some wingman shots earlier. I actually landed them! i'm basically aceu

[alpine trail]

nice

hm

hows the weight feel

[craggy prairie]

it's really really light

it's kinda odd

like i'm not actually holding something

lol

[craggy prairie]

alright this mouse is pretty goated. found my new main for sure.

[alpine trail]

nice

that easy huh

for me now i can either get the atk f1 extreme or hyperlight

[craggy prairie]

why not both?

i still want the 雲 Cloud soz i'm going to get that one

i dunno about the atk f1 though

[alpine trail]

did you get the 8k dongle

[craggy prairie]

i did not.

my pc cannot handle the 8k

"Your deaths will come with speed and precision. That is the skill of a pilot."

damn Ash is so cool.

i dunno much about the titanfall universe but i hear she was in one of the games. i wonder how capable she was in human life

ever since i reset my pc, my AMD software is acting funky. i can't seem to record stuff. i had some neat clips i wanted to share. ...ah well.

[alpine trail]

shadowplay?

try updating windows

[craggy prairie]

huh i did in fact need to do an update.

lol

new mouse has me excited to play at 1440p on the new build.

imagine Echo getting his first 4k bomb.

...is it called 4k bombs idk?

lol

[sonic marlin]

Just called 4k

[craggy prairie]

i see. tyty

welp that's enough apex for a while again. it was a neat sesh actually.

[sonic marlin]

4k 20 bomb

[craggy prairie]

testing mouse with serious game over. time for weeb game

ahh so bomb refers to the kills done.

[unborn token]

Soloq revival

[craggy prairie]

that's a great idea.

i should test this mouse in Runescape to see if i can keep up with the sweats

[unborn token]

Yurr

Ez 4k

[novel loom]

Ggs

[unborn token]

Mf what u doing up this late

Also I just remembered ranked used to have div 5 for each rank

[tight totem]

huh

how old is that

[craggy prairie]

i sleep

take care gamers

[bright slate]

finally pisslow after not playing for 2 years

[devout tusk]

no?

[storm mural]

Yeah, base Sentinel headshot to a blue helmet.

[unborn token]

Maybe I forget the design and it always like this

[devout tusk]

always 4 yea, basically every other game does 5 though

season 2

[unborn token]

I miss s13 ranked man

[woeful garnet]

i miss season 17 ranked…

[unborn token]

[twilit flicker]

r99 wont be ground loot

im gonna kovaaks myself

another rtard meta gg

[bright slate]

akimbo p20 buff like they arent sleeper

[storm mural]

Can't wait for the tuk tuk tuk increase next season as people decide killing an entire team with one mag is great

[rose wraith]

Holy based

Every single change sounds dope

Perma turbocharger on floor devo

But it keeps the hipfire tightener and arm shield

[lapis moat]

senti buff yea the game is dead

low skill gun

[wintry cypress]

Last time i played the senti was already annoying asf

Wth

That was like 2 months ago as well

Cooked

[rose wraith]

They should buff the long bow and the charge rifle again

It’s time to get rid of bullet drop on the charge rifle

[wintry cypress]

Yeah revert to season 3

[rose wraith]

Make the charge rifle hold a charge and shoot on mouse click release

[wintry cypress]

Do u guys think the apex devs gave up on retaining players

[rose wraith]

Not the devs in charge of balance and mechanics that’s for sure

Game cooks rn

[wintry cypress]

Since their battlepass shit they kinda panicked and reverted/improved a ton of stuff but that seems to have stopped in a sense it seems

[wintry cypress]

Isnt it dying tho? 😭

[rose wraith]

Not gameplay related imo

Gameplay is really good rn

[wintry cypress]

Thats good

[rose wraith]

It’s cheaters and monetization greed that’s a turn off

[wintry cypress]

Last time i played game was fun but they made the ltm objective focused instead of just getting points based off shooting ur gun

Thats why 3 strikes was so fun

[rose wraith]

I almost exclusively play ranked and pubs

[lapis moat]

im just here to grind mechanics and make videos i dont even play ranked

[rose wraith]

All their LTMs are consistently garbage

[twilit flicker]

real

[wintry cypress]

I feel like theyve been better recently but yeah

[rose wraith]

It’s incredible how they can fuck up TDM and make it suck

[wintry cypress]

TDM is ass

But their other ltms not mixtape

Are usually decent

And actually fun

[rose wraith]

Gun run is ass too

[wintry cypress]

Yeap

[rose wraith]

Making it a shared pool of weapons is lame

[wintry cypress]

They really missed the spot with those gamemodes

And the fact IT HAS FUCKING SBMM

[narrow swift]

why is spitfire rampage and senti getting buffed?

[rose wraith]

All mm has sbmm nowadays

[narrow swift]

who asked for this

[rose wraith]

Idc abt that reallly

[rose wraith]

They need it

[narrow swift]

senti

needs a buff

?

what

[twilit flicker]

no

[lapis moat]

lol wingman that does 90 damage at 0 cost needs a buff

[rose wraith]

It’s getting a buff because it has the same mechanic as the rampage

[twilit flicker]

we dont need these idiot weapons ot be good

[narrow swift]

spitfire is alr decent ngl rampage is whatever

[lapis moat]

gun that lets U insta win con needs a buff KappaPenis

[twilit flicker]

make r99 ground loot and make smgs meta

[narrow swift]

156 to head mashallah

[twilit flicker]

people will play then

[narrow swift]

spray and pray

mashallah

[rose wraith]

The senti buff is probably incredibly small

[lapis moat]

spitfire buff is lowkey whatever

[rose wraith]

Like going from 7 shots to 8 or 9

[narrow swift]

at this rate i could prolly be hired at respawn

[lapis moat]

spitfire at 19 probably isnt gonna dethrone flatline

[woeful garnet]

Probably not

[rose wraith]

Some fun break points on that one

Goes from 9 rounds to 8 to down white shield

[wintry cypress]

I dont either if its actually well implemented instead of just giving me 2 level 15 teammates against pred stacks

[rose wraith]

Goes from 12 rounds to 11 on purple armor

[rose wraith]

I have seen zero energy from their dev team towards fixing this

They seem totally unconcerned with how unbalanced the solo experience is

Pros would probably riot

They need to stack to be consistent

[lapis moat]

even blizz figured out u shouldnt be able to full stack high ranked games

[rose wraith]

Not wrong

They should completely ban stacking above diamond

[twilit flicker]

every game figured that out

[lapis moat]

its a mix between actual lack of talent (they have no vision for the game) and being forced to comply with demands from management

[rose wraith]

Ranked with a stack ban on purple and red ranks would be so dope actually

[woeful garnet]

Maybe keep duos

[rose wraith]

Then master doesn’t even need a higher cost for entry

Same cost as diamond

Just ban stacking

Then that +5 cost per 1000 RP system can be back in

[wintry cypress]

Yeah its so annoying

Or just get rid of sbmm in pubs completely

And yeah ranked queing needs changes as well

[rose wraith]

I like sbmm in general

I do think it would be cool for a higher ranked party to be tossed into a game of lower ranks tho with some flair

Like imagine a title different than champion like invader or something

And they have a special red outline just for them

I think if people would be more excited to have a rare drop of high skill in a lobby the issues with no sbmm could be mitigated

[lapis moat]

there was always sbmm they just cranked it up

now the game is unplayable if you have friends that aren't just as good as you

[bright slate]

blizz has a1ds for that

[wintry cypress]

Yea same

But it shouldnt be the way it is rn

Like i want to be challenged not overwhelmed

[bright slate]

agreed

[wintry cypress]

Yeah u get like 2-4 games that are actually fun and somewhat evenly matched and then suddenly you just get railed without permission

[bright slate]

some of the most fun ive had in games was vs pros

but then you have dribbler randoms to balance it out

[lapis moat]

im just a gamer dad with a 9-5 working 45 hour weeks trying to play some pubs after work with my good friends who are unfortunately gold level

[quaint karma]

for me personally i dont mind the sbmm anymore, everyone sucks anyways

but if i was to play with friends that arent as skilled as me

yeah absolutely no way

[bright slate]

the thing i dont like about sbmm is how strict it is and how it affects mm in general

my pubs have more people tryharding than d4 ranked

[lapis moat]

whatever get noname on r5 and lets go 10k games

[bright slate]

i have yet to get r5

[wintry cypress]

I used to grind r5 at some point

Shit was more fun than apex at that point lol

[bright slate]

dont you need origin for tht

[wintry cypress]

Yea

[bright slate]

yeah nvm

[wintry cypress]

[lapis moat]

im enjoying r5 more now

theres some good players on japan

sometimes

so i can actually improve

[twilit flicker]

1v1s and lg deadass more fun that retail

[wintry cypress]

^

I remember there used to be free for all deathmatch on r5/some sort of gungame

Unironically so fun

And i improved my mechanics a shitton as well in a really short amount of time

[bright slate]

i miss when i was actually decent at this game

twas fun

[wintry cypress]

REAL

Or just

When the game was fun

But on the plus side

I get to finally play my massive library of other games

Im just grinding helldivers rn

[bright slate]

me too

[woeful garnet]

What if apex added building and editing

Would be massive

[cosmic mist]

Damn, what if Apex was Fortnite cracking 90's would save the game

[tight totem]

id sell my account

wlell honestly id do it now even

[storm mural]

Apparently your teammates can derank your weapon somehow. It happened to me twice in one game; I probably wouldn't have noticed it otherwise and would think they fucked up the weapon queue.

[bright slate]

they need to bring back the chroma reticle colours

[storm mural]

Imagine getting away from an ass weapon only for your teammate to throw you back into hell.

Was it not bad enough the mf ran away from killing a guy that was 1 right next to me?

[unborn token]

???

on what

[storm mural]

Gun Run.

[unborn token]

no they cant

i mean who cares thats a casual mode

doubt anyone cares abt that besides turbo casuals

i dont think u can derank anything there tho

its just kill on weapon goes to next

sometimes it skipsa

[severe canyon]

If you get melee’d then you get sent back a gun

[storm mural]

If a Legend is killed by a melee attack, their score is reduced by one.

It skips based on team score.

So for example your teammates kill someone in the meantime.

It'll show +1 above your current weapon.

I wanted to like Gun Run to cycle between different weapons since that can simulate a lot of contests / offdrop fights, but some of the mechanics they have for it make it legitimately unappealing.

[bright slate]

yeah back when the game was good and i could contest pros miss it sm

now im old and washed up

[devout tusk]

What they need is to be REMOVED

[rose wraith]

I am a changing meta enjoyer

If it’s strong I’ll pick it up and enjoy how the meta’s changed

Love that Christmas morning feel on patch day

[devout tusk]

Ive experienced every meta 15 times

Lmg and sniper metas are

The worst

By far

Annoying as fuck to play against while also boring to play

[bright slate]

real and true

[rose wraith]

I like metas with guns that aren’t explicitly designed to swing with a stack on kids with

Let the fun guns be meta, Hal and Enoch will be just fine with the CAR and EVA 8 still

[bright slate]

nah get me in the bub

[devout tusk]

U just want to stand still or what

[rose wraith]

Yes lmao I want to rotate and shoot late rotators

Gate keeping is fun

[bright slate]

i dont think playing vs squads standing 3 deep with snipers is very fun

point and click story gameplay

[devout tusk]

Why even play apex at that point though, the game shines in its micro

[rose wraith]

I enjoy apex like that actually

It’s fun

The game is fun in different ways

[bright slate]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-pipe-bomb-bomb-mail-box-cat-gif-18431261

[devout tusk]

Every other br ever has that, its fundamental to the genre

[rose wraith]

R5 is right there for your eternal wingman duel dopamine I like variety

[devout tusk]

Theres 0 variety in r5

And lots in real game even with wingman r9

[rose wraith]

That just sounds like the r5 enjoyers have a more extreme position than you when it comes to what’s fun

They don’t even like br and just want the gun play

[bright slate]

i dont like snipers/lmgs they are just boring to play against

everything else is fine

other than the nemesis

that gun isnt normal

[rose wraith]

It’s just the AR with the best ttk

As soon as a different AR becomes that gun people will run it

[bright slate]

which sucks cuz its boring as hell

[rose wraith]

Killing people is fun what u mean

[mental ridge]

might wanna switch to roller then

[bright slate]

my randoms disagree

all pacifists

m1 unbound

[rose wraith]

Mnk is fun tho playing on roller is a snooze fest

Everything is so slow and painful to do

[mental ridge]

but u have better accuracy and thus higher lathality

assuming u got into the roller groove

[rose wraith]

At specific wide swing and mid range scenarios yes

Point blank and at long range mnk has an advantage

I like snipers being strong it’s good for mouse enjoyers

[mental ridge]

when was the last time u played r5 reloaded against good rollers?

[bright slate]

if you choose to play an inferior input you should be handicapped

[rose wraith]

When I say point blank I mean point blank

5-15m roller wins every time

Like 1-2M

The range where AA is disabled

[bright slate]

isnt AA range 5-30m?

[rose wraith]

AA has no outer range

[mental ridge]

aa is 1 or 2m to infinity

[rose wraith]

The box just becomes useless at long distance because it doesn’t compensate for bullet drop

[bright slate]

really? last time i used roller i felt it fall off after 30

[rose wraith]

So the square is still on them but you need leading targets

Leading targets adequately means leaving the AA helper box

[mental ridge]

closest aa range to where ever the yuse caps out

[rose wraith]

Yes AA will always have that advantage in wide swings and in the open beam fests for sure

[mental ridge]

thats when recoil can moce u out of the aa bubble

[rose wraith]

The skill is more on the roller player forcing those situations

And the mnk player denying them

[bright slate]

i was in the range not shooting

just strafe left -> right

[rose wraith]

Cover and movement into and out of that sub 5m range is the conversational gameplay

[bright slate]

and letting the aa track

[mental ridge]

its kinda impossible to deny 2m to 30m

[rose wraith]

👍

I am uninterested in discussing roller mnk nuances I was talking abt enjoying the upcoming meta lol

[mental ridge]

in a coordinated 3 stack maybe u can pull it off but what if i like those ranges too whats if thats my strongest range too shall i just not play the game?

[rose wraith]

No qualms about agreeing that roller has adv basically always in closer gun fights

[mental ridge]

spitfire with 170 dps is brutal

[rose wraith]

It’s dope I can’t wait

[mental ridge]

sounds boring

[rose wraith]

Spitty wasn’t winning duels even with the hop up against ARs

A bit more dmg sounds great

It should have a bit more teeth

[mental ridge]

imagine wanting to play smg missing a oneclip and then dieing because the rollertard just keeps running at you

[devout tusk]

Why should it win duels

[rose wraith]

Why not?

Let it feel strong

[devout tusk]

Becauae it has 70 bullets

[rose wraith]

If you find the hop up you should feel like you can fight people

[devout tusk]

What is the weakness if it wins duels, why use an ar

[mental ridge]

we had a spitfire meta in the past it was horrible we had a rampage meta in the past it was horrible

[rose wraith]

It has very slow ADS and you still need to shoot for like 1.5 seconds to get good hipfire shooting so it loses those fights

I am ok with LMgs feeling very good at AR’s mid range

And up close if they can spin up

Their recoil is too high to just shoot longer range targets and suppression isn’t real in this game because people will beam the fuck out of you with a nemesis from 70m

It’s nice that they actually feel good in different parts of the game

Right now they only feel good when you shoot at people who don’t shoot back which is lame

[devout tusk]

Which is why they should just be removed, theres no real place for them in apex, theyre either useless or make every other gun in the game feel useless because at the end of the day smg ar and lmg are all just tracking

[mental ridge]

if the recoil is too high in closerange u start with ads because you have a arm shield

[rose wraith]

ADS doesn’t scale up the hipfire tightener

You don’t get credit for ADS rounds fired

Has to be hipfire

[rose wraith]

I’m ok with them making them better and then just laughing and seeing how the meta unfolds

I love some uncertainty as people try things and see what works

The only real meta recently I didn’t like was the havoc + lifeline + rev meta where people would stack his ult with peak op havoc and early red shield

And you would just have a ridiculous ttk disadvantage

That wasn’t interactive at all

And they nerfed all of those things

[devout tusk]

Rev ult is so cringe yea

[rose wraith]

And I’m fine with it now lol

[devout tusk]

Or was

[mental ridge]

jzst because recent metas were bad doesn't justify metas staying bad

[rose wraith]

That was one split of meta bad in like 9 seasons I didn’t like

Every other meta I’ve enjoyed

I just don’t enjoy a well balanced and stagnant meta game

I love stuff just getting big buffs or nerfs

It’s chaotic

It’s messy

Makes me see new stuff

Emergent gameplay from big changes is why live service is fun to me

[devout tusk]

I like wingman op, r9 op, volt op metas

No balance in sight

[rose wraith]

Wingman is still rly strong

[mental ridge]

they count go to firingrange

[rose wraith]

It still obliterates ppl off rip and with a boosted loader it has plenty of ammo

[mental ridge]

if u cant i can send a cli0

[rose wraith]

The volt was killed too soon

Decreased bullet speed and drop and less headshot damage

Rip rip rip😫

[violet sentinel]

is +1 dmg enough for Spitty meta?

[mental ridge]

here spitfire spred reduction after ads
it carries over

[mental ridge]

probably since spitidfre has insane hipfirespred and a armshield

[devout tusk]

Nah we need to go back to 12 boolet purple heavy mag mingman

[mental ridge]

12 is overkill but 9 would be cool

[violet sentinel]

i'm down for a spitty season why not hasn't been meta since I started playing

[devout tusk]

12 was insane but it was fun

[mental ridge]

try the finals

[mental ridge]

the revolver in the finals is hella fun

[devout tusk]

I just spammed light pistol with dash in beta til i burnt out

Prob wont play again

[mental ridge]

its a bit slower but imo its alot of fun once u get a hang of the gameflow

[mental ridge]

weak ranked is alot of fun

[ocean flame]

Yo why is ur clip washed out

My clips have the same washed out thing

[devout tusk]

Do you use shadowplay

[ocean flame]

Yes

[devout tusk]

It does that sometimes idk why

[ocean flame]

The clip looks normal but after i trim it it goes washed out now

Never happened months ago

[violet sentinel]

switch to OBS replay easier on computer too

[ocean flame]

I like shadowplay

[mental ridge]

i play a high gamma and for what ever reason clipping/cutting in windows fotos makes it look even brighter

[mental ridge]

if u set it up right maybe

[ocean flame]

This isnt something new for u?

[mental ridge]

idk

[ocean flame]

I play 70 too

[mental ridge]

it happened in the past aswell idk.if it ever went away

[ocean flame]

I never had it before :/ was away from my pc for a month and when i got back it became like this

[mental ridge]

idk windows do be Windows

[rose wraith]

i hate masters

3 games in a row wiht 6+ kp and i go negative for getting 7th

climbing solo is just impossible because you eventually find one of the coordinate stacks and get rolled

[visual bluff]

Tbh I don't think it's reasonable to expect yourself to climb solo q in masters
It's not impossible but it requires you to be much better then just being masters it's ridiculous
Ur basically constantly playing pros/pred 3 stacks and tons of cheaters

[unborn token]

got turbo boosted

[bright slate]

Soloq masters is horrid lol

0 rzn to do it

[ocean flame]

A lot of preds soloq occasionally and still gain

[quaint karma]

yeah

[rose wraith]

we technically up for the day 👍

oop -90 ran into the same group of cheaters i did an hour ago

[raven hull]

only 7k?? you fell off, old nosh would have got 9k easy

[wintry cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[craggy prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-hi-hello-wave-gif-17742686

[alpine trail]

well

hows day 2 mouse

[craggy prairie]

i just got home. i haven't started anything quite yet i'm kinda settling down after the work day.

[alpine trail]

i see i see

[craggy prairie]

also hi hows you? hope alls good.

[alpine trail]

I'm good

wbu how was work

[craggy prairie]

boring. they made me work gas station where i'm essentially babysitting and standing around

i think i will try The Finals today.

on the new 🐭

[craggy prairie]

i just went through the history to find something and i couldn't help but notice that your hyperlight is 127. why?

time for more smoothbot and air angelic now that i'm all settled from work and did some cleaning.

getting ready to shatter my personal bests.

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-lebron-stare-stare-justpiot-gif-25311591

(i wont)

[alpine trail]

CAD

well if you do get pb's

probably a good sign

of the mouse being pretty good

[craggy prairie]

5 points away from almost beating my air angelic rA easy pb.

dangit