apex

[forest gazelle]

ahahaha

he was so fucking

dogshit

and ALWAYS cried about roller

[toxic magnet]

he still does it gimmie a sec

lemme get a ss

[forest gazelle]

he called me controller

i never corrected him i just let him get mad

[sinful thistle]

i definitely don't do this

[forest gazelle]

bro hes been going on for like

fking years now

for 0 reason he wont talk normally just crying about controller

[sinful thistle]

passion

[forest gazelle]

fr

it wasa fun tho

[sinful thistle]

remove hop ups and its a fine gamemode

[forest gazelle]

it was

i ran rampage during car meta

and mozam meta

and farmed them..

u dont know the rampage tech

[toxic magnet]

we love ap

😭😭

[forest gazelle]

AHAHAHHA

[toxic magnet]

god these were good times

[sinful thistle]

this is not real

[forest gazelle]

yea they were using pink gibby

[toxic magnet]

i miss arena

the shit talk in this server was top tier

[forest gazelle]

for some reason i dont remember u typing there

did u have a diff name?

or were u not pred

[toxic magnet]

as soon as someone got beat by runtz he insta @ them

[forest gazelle]

well yea it was made by predicted

[tight totem]

i think pathy is one of the better legends rn

for ranked

[toxic magnet]

i never spoke in here

it was just fun to watch the drama unfold

[mental ridge]

ngl i always felt like arenas is a sanctuary for gamesense less rats

[toxic magnet]

drop off with pk pathy

was fun

until a 3 stack of weirdos came out the woodworks all mozam spamming

[sinful thistle]

the japanese have invaded the vamp server

gg

[forest gazelle]

JP STRONGGGGGGGGGG

https://www.twitch.tv/mistahmonter/clip/ManlyTolerantSquirrelWoofer-yy-wSOPn6qx9YXc3

mozam meta got nothing on my mirage tech

[sinful thistle]

they just long strafe on controller

i went 65-0 this morning

[forest gazelle]

mirage is my secret weapon

LMFAO

[sinful thistle]

bm

[forest gazelle]

that was their like

4th game in a row against us

too

[toxic magnet]

HAHAHAHA NAHHHH THE ONE ROUND THEY LOSE

INSTANT MOZAM 😭😭😭

[forest gazelle]

ye bro fucking monter

[toxic magnet]

i’m dead 😭😭😭

[forest gazelle]

was such a mozam crutch

[toxic magnet]

lose a round went straight to mozam 😭

i played volt wing

if it went bad i went havoc

[forest gazelle]

devo turbo strong 💪 🇯🇵

[toxic magnet]

the controller configing horizon that would buy devo 😭

[forest gazelle]

the cheaters werent very good i dont thikn it made it harder unless u were like bottom pred on a loss streak

u could beat the closets most of thje time

just not the hard cheaters

[sinful thistle]

the mmr was weird

[forest gazelle]

yeah

like sometimes u went against legit babies 50 games in a row

[toxic magnet]

when you met the bili bili 3 stack you knew they were all 3 configing Pathy Horizon Octane

i usually duod

[forest gazelle]

if u duo'd on eu it was free mmr

or Free elo should i say

until u ran into the cheaters anyway

i would just check if anyone was crying in ap farmers

abt them

maybe not sure

im still not really interested atm just going to see how it unfolds

yeah the new changes seem solid

im a big fan of the flinch removal

ye

im not much of a controllercel anyway i try to phase that excuse out of my brain or i jsut become cynical

they simply outaimed me ^_^

with their raw aim

yea

lot of them will be pussies until cqc anyway

or at least try to force a closer fight faster

ye

well theres a few demons

but most of them suck

fakin nemesis man

at least havoc is fun to shoot

lmao

[late furnace]

how do i know if i am on skypad

?

[forest gazelle]

)

ask Jeus Christ

🀄

jaajajja

[late furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1104122698973577276/1258835299291893860/1st_degree_coupon.gif

[forest gazelle]

running down is meta

[late furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137432628618870946/1262503542443479185/You_are_aiming_wronk.gif

[forest gazelle]

si

its like us complaining about aa

but reverse

theyre mad cus they dont get aimbot..

😠

[late furnace]

35mg of adderall > 1000 hours of kvk

[dull falcon]

Bro ur cooked

But no cap if we all started aim training at 14 we woulda been so comp but its over now

[forest gazelle]

they were

[dull falcon]

It was when i was 14

[forest gazelle]

povdmm4

[dull falcon]

I found fps games like 2 years ago

[forest gazelle]

lgc3bot

[dull falcon]

Or 3

[forest gazelle]

u missed peak fps

💔💔

[sinful thistle]

now we are talking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PQPbSHjXr4

[forest gazelle]

Shoutout nick man

[sinful thistle]

he is the only reason i aim trained

and still do

[dull falcon]

I aint have a console till like i was 16-17 when i started working. Had a shitty pc but i was playing roblox n shit and like sim games before that .the lil zombie game mightve played some shooter games on there.

Actuall there were some shooter games on congregate i used to play

[forest gazelle]

the come up

kongregate games went hard though

when I was barely sentient

[narrow swift]

how long have you been playing shooters?

[sinful thistle]

not that long

maybe 2016-2017

but not competitively or anything

[narrow swift]

yee i get you

apex was my first shooter, i played fighting games mainly before

classic

[sinful thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQt9xCWi5d8

[forest gazelle]

RF

[dull falcon]

Ther was thing csgo rip off on facebook

Global strike

[forest gazelle]

i think most ppl nowadays dont know that this was a browser game

really

thats insane

i havent went to that site in sooo long lmao

i forgot my login

been too long

saved urself from being rotmg otp

[dull falcon]

There was another game

[forest gazelle]

get on madness interactive

yea time is passing too fast

[dull falcon]

Help me remember

[forest gazelle]

i have some cs vids that will turn 10 years old in a few months

crazy to think about

[narrow swift]

wow

[forest gazelle]

hop in the wheelchair old man

[dull falcon]

Its shooter game. Space mechs . Browser game. The mechs had different abilities a d shi

[narrow swift]

rimworld is a better game

[forest gazelle]

rings a bell but can't tell you the name

[narrow swift]

also just gonna wait for next season

[forest gazelle]

i also fel like ive played this

mandela effect

[fossil field]

aim bots on cs go was good for aim training

[forest gazelle]

i played that shit for so much time and it did literally nothing for my aim

[fossil field]

helped me a lot when i was a kid

[forest gazelle]

yea it helped me when i was a kid too but like after 150kpm its pointless to play aimbotz

otherthan 4fun

[sinful thistle]

is it not just horizontal static

[fossil field]

yeah tbf it was mostly fun warmup

[forest gazelle]

ye with Quite large targets

i dont think it teaches much if u play it with brain off

[sinful thistle]

i would jump on the ledge

[forest gazelle]

ye same

m4a1s

[sinful thistle]

ye

u get it

[forest gazelle]

thats meta bro

get with it

ajajajaj

[fossil field]

no helmets had so much better sound imo

[forest gazelle]

i miss all csgo old sounds except ak

ak pre rework gave me tinnitus

but the rest of the sounds were nice

[sinful thistle]

are u okay?

[forest gazelle]

hes warming up for real game bro-..

Realisstik Warmup

p2k clears im sorry

im ocean spray

the skin.

what u know about the dad p2k skin

https://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/730/P2000 | Coach Class (Factory New)

dad p2k hit diff

[dull falcon]

https://youtu.be/06Dxe56VdK8?si=BlZjTxGly18uKS7C

Freefall tournament

[forest gazelle]

the lock on

[dull falcon]

Yall don't know bout this

[forest gazelle]

i sold my shit in 2021

so i missed cs2 p;eak

lost l;ike 2k

from missing that

prob more

[sinful thistle]

i had like a really shitty m9

that i sold ages ago

and its worth like 300-400 now

i think

[forest gazelle]

yeah its crazy

i dont like looking at the prices

cus it makes me sad

[sinful thistle]

my friend had

an insane inventory

and lost it gambling

[dull falcon]

Can i just make a cs account and just spin for shit

[sinful thistle]

on the fucking

syndicate

site

[forest gazelle]

i had mw bfk cw+m9 autotronic before i cashed out

[sinful thistle]

his trade history is fucking insane

[forest gazelle]

ahaahah

poor guy man

i gambled and lost too but not my whole inv

[sinful thistle]

nah he doesn't care at all

he's like

is what it is

[forest gazelle]

demon

i like it

ahhaha

im looking at my opskins inv

i remember buying this for like 65% qs

from some chinese guy

when china was rare in cs

fuck sake

yea

glock fade for 27usd

[sinful thistle]

tbf i dont think anyone would of really guessed skins would of grown to what they are now

[forest gazelle]

yeah for sure

[sinful thistle]

i thought that shit was over priced at the time

[forest gazelle]

i knew they would go up but not this much

thank china

they absolutely blew up the market

thats fire

meanwhile my irl

cashed out 30k and bought a bmw and blew the rest

[sinful thistle]

funded my underage gambling addiction

[forest gazelle]

legit

put a whole generation into gambling

https://tenor.com/view/waking-up-cat-reverse-mimir-gif-14394846257419819571

burst weapons

[sinful thistle]

i like the nemesis and the prowler

i hate the hemlok

[forest gazelle]

i used to love prowler but not anymore

idk why

ye

[sinful thistle]

i like it because it actually has sick hipfire

[forest gazelle]

yeah hipfire is really good

[narrow swift]

car

[sinful thistle]

we just need barrel stabs back

on smg

was so good

[forest gazelle]

i remember using a glitch to take the gold barrel stabs off of the guns in caustic on kc

for no muzzle flash

like the old cfgs

so chill

they should just add a disable all clutter option

[sinful thistle]

when the old config glitch

happened

[forest gazelle]

i used that

[sinful thistle]

it was so nice

[forest gazelle]

i thought i was gonna get banned for it

lowkey

[sinful thistle]

for those few days

i didnt care

it was so enjoyable

[forest gazelle]

yea it felt rly nice

[sinful thistle]

i remember

tdon 1v1d gdolphn

and he was using it

and gdolph thought it was like

some cheats

[forest gazelle]

LOL

[sinful thistle]

cause he got

pissed on

[dull falcon]

Ima just play r5 today fuck apex till tuesday fr fr

[sinful thistle]

play vamp!

[dull falcon]

I was on the lg server yesterday

Wydfuture having 35% accuracy is actually insane but that's like avg roller

[sinful thistle]

damage differential is only cool stat but it doesn't even exist in r5

[dull falcon]

Idk some mnk kid was shitting on me yesterday more than other mnk players do

[sinful thistle]

who

[dull falcon]

Like he was super consistent

Sillybilly22222

[woeful garnet]

Yes it does

[dull falcon]

I think

[sinful thistle]

where

[woeful garnet]

Well it doesnt

But u just do the math

🧠

[sinful thistle]

there is no damage taken besides

deaths

no?

[woeful garnet]

Ok and multiply your deaths by 200

[sinful thistle]

ye

but

[woeful garnet]

Because rhats how much health u have

[sinful thistle]

what about fights with health remaining

[woeful garnet]

Just dont count them

[dull falcon]

My dodge is good so i actually never get hit

[sinful thistle]

happy for you

[forest gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5A5s3ZofMY just found a clip from 3 yrs ago where mande made fun of me using a master badge bro

hje has the worst positioning ever and called me a sniper

yea

[dull falcon]

Crazy

What's with the firing range now

It was fine now its not

[woeful garnet]

Nothing

Except for attachments disappearing

[dull falcon]

^

[near shuttle]

インサイトキャプチャーで録画したVALORANTのゲームプレイを見てみよう
https://insights.gg/v/3Ey8No6Q4cTCaMGIIva8bR

[mental ridge]

lmao bro lool at the chanel name

[sinful thistle]

gosu

[forest gazelle]

banger song

[narrow crescent]

My goat

[dull falcon]

He got a a twitter or youtube

[sinful thistle]

patch notes out

[dull falcon]

Mhm

[quaint karma]

https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/shockwave-patch-notes

[dull falcon]

This wasnt bad

[dull falcon]

Bis arenas back

Do ppl actually use dx12. Version of apex

[grim python]

this shit is so confusing

[mental ridge]

what percentage is the badge again

the second one

[grim python]

Wdym

[glad nimbus]

Apex Legends

Apex Legends™: Shockwave Patch Notes

Get charged up for Shockwave’s launch with class perks, balance and Legend updates, and more.
NEW ENERGY, MORE ACTION
Grab the squad, because the Games have a whole new energy! Drop back into the fight with Revivals, feel your power surge with Akimbo, use two new Battle Sense features to narrow in on your enemies in the heat of the fight, and more updates that make the Outlands legendary for all. Hone your skills in Bot Royale and hit new heights in E-District, your very own neon playground....

[ocean flame]

Console crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 18%
Console performance mode crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 22%
Controller on PC: Aim Assist strength reduced 25%

[quaint karma]

thats like .5 and .4

for normal console and performance mode respectively

[narrow crescent]

No clue I just find usernames like that funny lol

[mental ridge]

wait they didnt introduce same aimassist for all consoles?

[mental ridge]

that literally confirms performance mode aimassist is 0.5

cant tell me respawn doesn't hate mnk players

[tight totem]

once in a blue moon i see a console playe

relatively

[ocean flame]

Pubs are like half console

Or more

Dont really see console in masters +

Still plenty in diamond

[young pine]

respawn is so terrified to step on console players' toes

it's like they're the youngest child that gets grounded for 30 seconds

[lusty vault]

Gonna queue some in a bit

Try to get out of bronze

[dull falcon]

I want to as well

[wintry cypress]

that shits a goldmine

[dull falcon]

Ppl are playing like pubs fr

It is

[lusty vault]

Carry my ass

[dull falcon]

Console players think every pc player spent 2k on their pc

I mean i did

[lusty vault]

2k is low end no?

[dull falcon]

7900xt 5800x3d

32 gb ram

Idk if that's low end or not

[wintry cypress]

mine is like 800 and i have a 3060 ☠️ 🙏 😭

[dull falcon]

Is that low end .nah maybe midrange

[wintry cypress]

pcs do cost a lot

nowadays

[lusty vault]

Yeah at the time mine was 2.5k

Probably closer to 800 than 2.5k now

[dull falcon]

It shoulda went down a little this year

[quaint karma]

less than 1k is low end

[wintry cypress]

middle/high end of low end range

[lusty vault]

^

Good way to put it

[quaint karma]

you can probaly buy a fairly competent pc for 1.5k all in

[wintry cypress]

if it was mid range id prob have like a 3070ti or smth

[dull falcon]

I had a seizure reading that for some reason

[wintry cypress]

i didnt know exactly what to call it but yeah i can see why

[dull falcon]

But i can pretty much play whatever i way no issues

[lusty vault]

My pc runs so well on apex but dogshit on val and cs somehow

All cpu games

[dull falcon]

Don't that run differently

[wintry cypress]

same i can play most games just fine but id have to optimise settings and use DLSS

[dull falcon]

Theu*

They

[lusty vault]

Issue with cs is the optimization rn is horrid

[wintry cypress]

really?

i didnt have that much fps issues

[lusty vault]

It’s so bad in cs2

Unless you have a amd card

[wintry cypress]

i mean it was less than csgo but really not that bad for me

then again i play 4:3 so

[lusty vault]

I get a very inconsistent 240 in 2

I got like 750 in go

[wintry cypress]

hmm

[lusty vault]

That’s on 16:9

But if you have an amd x3d card

You get like 900 fps

It’s absurd

[wintry cypress]

x3d cpus are made for gaming lol

its crazy

[dull falcon]

The new pk pattern should be way better now

[lusty vault]

Such a good chip

[wintry cypress]

ya

[lusty vault]

Idk why I keep saying card

[wintry cypress]

i dont have one but

[lusty vault]

On me

[wintry cypress]

yeah

[dull falcon]

My cpu

[wintry cypress]

i got a 5600x rn but my pc is starting to show its age

next time im dropping 10k on a pc

[dull falcon]

I have a spare one

[wintry cypress]

lol what

[dull falcon]

Save that for a down-payment on a loan bro

[lusty vault]

I’m like 11 series Intel cpu 3080

[dull falcon]

6700xt 5600x just laying around

[lusty vault]

Mine is starting to eat shit

If I upgraded my cpu my pc eould be good still

3080 is good still I imagine

[wintry cypress]

ah yeah the code issue or smth

[wintry cypress]

im not buying no house any time soon

[dull falcon]

I want to make a mini pc build tho

[lusty vault]

They’re building my house rn so I’ll stay on my shit pc and half dead monitor

Gets the job done

[wintry cypress]

lelel

same

[dull falcon]

Building bro what

[wintry cypress]

i should have a good amount of money in like 6 months

[lusty vault]

Yes

[dull falcon]

Rich rich

[lusty vault]

Lucky

Fortunate*

[wintry cypress]

gambling 😎

[mental ridge]

no console players think that almost every pc players plays mnk further more they look at goated mnk players and assume that the skill gap between noobs and good players regarding beams is comparable to controller ... they look at movement and think every mnk player can pull it of as if its just a slide jump
and their brains cant comprehend what aiming without aimassist is like

[lusty vault]

I’m ngl I have seen a lot of good controller players still be able to pick up a mouse and beam

[mental ridge]

yes 3080 is still good i combined it with a 7800x3d

[wintry cypress]

i mean its vice versa as well

[lusty vault]

Yeah that’s what I wanna do

[lusty vault]

Oh 100%

[wintry cypress]

7800x3d is amazing

[lusty vault]

The biggest issue on both sides is movement

[mental ridge]

i havent seen a controller player pick up a mouse and beam ...

[lusty vault]

I have this discord used to be full of them

[wintry cypress]

nah the game is fighting both me and my pc constantly shit stutters like a mf after playing for 2h

[mental ridge]

unless u talk about roller pros who have probably more time on mnk than a mnk causal

[lusty vault]

This discord when arenas was at its peak was full of insane players

Think they’re all banned now

💀

[wintry cypress]

i used to ''grind'' arenas

i played it quite a bit

[mental ridge]

ingame or on discord

[wintry cypress]

but never did ranked lol

[lusty vault]

Discord

[wintry cypress]

lol

[mental ridge]

i mean probably 50% of them cheated anyways

[wintry cypress]

except for the goat daniel variable

[mental ridge]

once u hit Arenas diamond it was a cheat fest so annyoing

[lusty vault]

I’m ngl I always forget apex has cheaters

Brain just assumes roller and I q next

[ocean flame]

Got my 4070super+7800x3d pc for 1600ish

[wintry cypress]

real

i see like 2 obvious cheaters per year

the rest i assume is roller

[lusty vault]

Yeah it’s not a issue for me but I legit don’t play so take that with grain of salt

[wintry cypress]

or they have a masters or pred badge and im like ah that checks out

[wintry cypress]

same i dont play anymore either

i used to tho and even when i did i didnt think there were any cheaters

[lusty vault]

Now qing cs premier I’m calling cheats on all 9 players

That aren’t me

[wintry cypress]

lmaoooo

have u seen the recent artwork cs players have been putting on their guns tho?

[dull falcon]

Tdlr ur a console sympathizer i aint reading all that. + those are the same ppl that use pc and mnk interchangeably

[lusty vault]

Yeah they kind of got control of it

But it’s still bad

[wintry cypress]

really? 😭

[lusty vault]

I’ll be honest I haven’t run into it in game

I think it’s bannable

[mental ridge]

smal brain detected

[wintry cypress]

i thought it was funny as fuck

[lusty vault]

But I know people still have it

[mental ridge]

cant even read and understand

[wintry cypress]

the n word plastered on the side of a gun

fucken hilarious

[lusty vault]

Yeah I’m so glad valve lets me say whatever I want

[mental ridge]

whats the n word

[lusty vault]

Nice hair

[wintry cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-bodybuilder-pecs-black-pec-bounce-gif-1076301405568312554

[lusty vault]

Bait

Good response

Valid

[wintry cypress]

😂

[mental ridge]

no bodyhair?

[wintry cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-chinese-man-cigarette-yelling-gif-20864925

[dull falcon]

Says the guy who cant make their points in a concise manner

@mental ridge

[mental ridge]

concise?

[mental ridge]

English isnt my main language

german has a more complex sentence structure im not good at dumbing down my thoughts

[wintry cypress]

this is true

[mental ridge]

im used to beeing to detailed i guess

[dull falcon]

Instead of saying the sky is blue u say its a mixture of red in blue.

[wintry cypress]

german scentence structure is so weird

[mental ridge]

im just glad i can even somehow speak English

[wintry cypress]

ur not native german?

[mental ridge]

edited already

[wintry cypress]

ah

[mental ridge]

brainlagg

@dull falcon btw nobody is a bigger console player / aimassist hater than me

i was so stoked to have equal aimassist for all in oc lobbies but no respawn pussied out

[dull falcon]

Too late im happy for whatever scraps they give me

[mental ridge]

id wish theyd rework aimassist

having constant fullforce rotational aimassist is not good and not balanceable

it needs to be dynamic depending on how off the input is

let alone extra turning yaw/pitch is the biggest bullshit

imagine you can set your dpi do go down by 90% when ever youre close to a enemie (aimassist bubble)

[floral lodge]

i mean in theory u can

it just isnt as beneficial as rotational aim assist

[mental ridge]

it is

[floral lodge]

nah idk

[mental ridge]

you turn towards an enemie at max stick input and then when u get close to them it slows down dramatically giving you a shitton of extra time so u dont overflick

[floral lodge]

yes but if u toggle ur dpi to slow down when u are on an enemy it won't give u the same exact effect that rotational aim assist does

i understand the point u are trying to make tho

[mental ridge]

no aimassist is actually 3 things

rotational

percentage wise slowdown across whole input range

and faster turning at max input outside of the aimassist bubble

[mental ridge]

this is most beneficial at low senses like 4 3 linear where u max out stick tilt quiet alot during tracking and turning

[narrow swift]

ofc

[forest gazelle]

ofc

jinx

[white flicker]

literally just play the game and you'll get there

[mental ridge]

next season u can go for master if the rumors are true

top 15 no minus

i wonder if master is gonna cap out above or below 33%

[frail kiln]

bro is that real

top 15 ?

will make season 17 ranked distribution look like childs play

[mental ridge]

idk its just rumors i heard

we also heard that pc gonna have 0.3 aimassist for any platform but that was a fluke

[fossil field]

seems there is nothing about it in the patch notes lol

unless im blind

[mental ridge]

yeah i guess itll be in different patchnotes

but u know what do we know they tell content creators stuff about the new season that they change anyways

[frail kiln]

I thought they were removing aim assist

im so let down right now ngl

[young pine]

we could never be that lucky

[fossil field]

yeah, keeping that in would be absolutely horrible

legit ruins the whole point of the ranked mode

[mental ridge]

i mean its good to practice dodging and strafing

coz u dodge strafe etc for dozens of seconds straight

and u track the whole time

its basically those strafe tracking scens from kovaaks but with a real player that shoots back

[white flicker]

very useful

yeah

[white flicker]

I havent played it a lot but I've noticed small improvements in game

which is aight

[craggy prairie]

same.

these bias strafes have these AD spamming kids whiffing

[lusty vault]

played a ranked rumble game

what is rumble

[craggy prairie]

[lusty vault]

is it because ranks get locked at end of season

or is this how ranked works

[craggy prairie]

no clue. in fact this is the first i've heard of such a thing.

[white flicker]

it's just ranked with no rp gain/loss

[mental ridge]

like 10 game grinding in ranked lobbies for the highest score games

[white flicker]

I thought

[frail kiln]

can silver and rookie play together ?

[lusty vault]

so its rookie placements but diff?

[mental ridge]

u can get 2 skins and there is a special badge for all the cheaters

[lusty vault]

so i csant q normal ranked?

[white flicker]

nah

[mental ridge]

normal ranked is over

[frail kiln]

poor nunu

[lusty vault]

got it

im fucked until tomorrow

[frail kiln]

finding out he's been fucked by respawn one more time 🥹

[lusty vault]

got a sick bronze game in

[craggy prairie]

lewd.

[frail kiln]

was downright illegal what we were doing in those pub lobbies

[lusty vault]

every apex game im in should be illegal

pause

[frail kiln]

I Lowkey could get used to seeing kill leader on my screen 🗣️💯

[lusty vault]

im hungry

the format they use is very good for the viewer

horrible to play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGSC2LNWHa4

what happened to my goat...

he doesnt make videos anymore

[frail kiln]

nunu during ewc: "ZachMazer and Sweet are still playing?"

he doesn't know any MnK that isn't IGL got culled from NA 🥀

[lusty vault]

All ogs

[narrow swift]

yes by far

[severe canyon]

Teaches you to dodge better which is really important on mnk

[narrow swift]

u can actually fight real sentient humans on vamp

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[severe canyon]

That’s a push

[woeful garnet]

Dodging is useless just use arm assist ..

[severe canyon]

Crouch spam mofos got me astral projecting

Shut your trap Sean

[woeful garnet]

Sorry

[severe canyon]

All good bro you just got me fucked up as usual

[lusty vault]

any qers

[wary star]

true and real

just stand still and shoot head

assert dominance

[vestal isle]

sure

im certified ass tho

lmao nvm looks like ur abouta play val

[lusty vault]

i probed like 8 discords at once

i am sorry

[vestal isle]

its all good

at least i figured it out

[craggy prairie]

apex community has been saying this for quite some time...i wonder what made them change anything

📉

[trim crest]

(APEX devs play on controller - wonder why they don't nerf)

[severe canyon]

They have a battlebeaver partnership

Only reason

[young pine]

aim assist is still gonna be too strong. they need to rework how it functions in the first place

[craggy prairie]

tru

[young pine]

the visual clarity changes theyve made are a way bigger W imo

[craggy prairie]

big facts

like

mnk players will be able to see properly during gunfights now

😩 at last

[young pine]

we've only been asking for it for 5 years

[craggy prairie]

not long enough

https://tenor.com/view/hideri-anume-run-gif-12295764

[young pine]

2029 AA rework gonna go crazy

[craggy prairie]

"2029"

actual kek

i almost spit my drink onto my keyboard

[young pine]

l0l

[trim crest]

How's about they turn down the brightness on every god damn visual effect, tone them down a bit, and turn up the lighting indoors? Respawn is inept at actually fixing problems.

Shoot a gun -> SPARKS AND SMOKE EVERYWHERE

[young pine]

that's why i've been experimenting with 114+ fov lately

[trim crest]

Not sure how that would help

[mental ridge]

more peripheral vision

[trim crest]

The problem I'm talking about is targets literally under your crosshair being hidden under 10 layers of garbage.

I love when someone throws a fire nade in one of these little fuckers. Makes the whole room black, can't see shit.

[ocean flame]

What is this screenshot of

[rose wraith]

What the actual fuck

[trim crest]

Olympus hotdrop spot - the little huts around the edge. Good example of a building with trash lighting that gets completely broken when abilities/nades are used inside.

[rose wraith]

I am not even to the weapon balancing part and this patch is the goat

[lusty vault]

very good

[rose wraith]

Killing aim punch, reducing aim assist, AND seer passive on dealing damage to help see through concealment???

Are you for real?

[lusty vault]

were all coming back for this

now make it so i can buy heirlooms with usd

and i retire on apex

[rose wraith]

Also love the ammo rebalancing and QoL ping changes

[bright elm]

r99 is so back

[lusty vault]

r99 rn is so fucking bad

[rose wraith]

Also this

• all CAR mags give an extra bullet

And this

• 50% reduction in purple loot

The CAR is back baby

22 rounds is a lot

[mental ridge]

they talked about having equal aimassist for everybody in oc lobbies but now they favor controller players from consoles who can easily avoid pc lobbies anyways

[rose wraith]

Idc about the asymmetrical change really

It’s impossible to know what works best without production testing

They can always change it later

I’m just glad they’re experimenting

The version of controller that gets the most fps gets dinged the most on AA

[mental ridge]

it doesnt matter what works best aimassist is so broken people can pick up a roller and perform considerably better than on mnk

[rose wraith]

Ok well I’m in here trying to actually talk about stuff

[mental ridge]

what about low end pc players ?

[bright elm]

did u see the care package r99

for next season

[rose wraith]

A valid concern and I’m sure you’ll see people talking about it but idk why it means it’s a terrible choice

[mental ridge]

buffed ads speed right and walk speed

[rose wraith]

It’s just A Choice ™️

[bright elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755865360401694743/1270118857767391304/IMG_9754.jpg?ex=66b289dd&is=66b1385d&hm=6d82185aa4f83be4109c7026207cc7804ee833984ac2127be463e3b2a11116ea&

@mental ridge

[bright elm]

real

[rose wraith]

They’ll roll it out and we will see how it feels in practice

[mental ridge]

yes im talking about that

[bright elm]

14 damage close up

is crazy

[rose wraith]

Imo they should probably just gate down AA based on frame rate if they think it matters all that much

[bright elm]

same with no movement speed penalty

and ads speed increase

time to beam

[mental ridge]

tge thing is they told content creators pre release of written patchnotes its gonna be equal aimassist for everybody

[rose wraith]

So what

They can change things

They also made aim punch go away completely

Asp opposed to rumors it was just reduced

[mental ridge]

i wish they did that to every smg

apex is a smg game

assaultrifles are cool and everything but in apex hands on fights are the most important

[rose wraith]

One of the PCs I run apex on has a 3600x and a 2080s and it runs 165hz at 1080p well enough

Maybe the people really struggling and their game chugs at 70hx or whatever will make their case for it

[mental ridge]

well see but once i get used to pc enemies aimassist and i get beamed unexpectedly and its a console player i gonna complain obviously

[rose wraith]

Oh I had no doubt you were going to complain

[severe canyon]

Go off Benjamin

[bright elm]

ppl are still gonna bitch about AA when it's rotational

[mental ridge]

i played most of the time on controller coz i didnt believe in myself but after a while i realize that if i play max ads sense on controller and do good i might aswell play mnk anyways since i wasnt realy crutching aimassist

[rose wraith]

How unfair I got blown up by the roller player who had 7% more aim assist than I did. This game sucks.

[mental ridge]

we need dynamic aimassist that helps smoothe out slight aim mistakes but doesn't do much when your input is completely off

[mental ridge]

7%??

[rose wraith]

You do bring up a valid point that PC players on weaker hardware may not necessarily be benefiting from their implementation of a variable step down for the aim assist nerves, but I don’t see why that can’t just be a conversation and not instantly a bitch fest

Yes, console aim assist is getting nerfed by 18% and PC aimassist is getting nerfed by 25%. That is a 7% difference.

[severe canyon]

Erm actually its 66%🤓🤓👆👆

[mental ridge]

u dont know the values huh

[severe canyon]

The difference isn’t 7

From 0.3 to 0.5

Tag team Benjamin

[severe canyon]

?

[mental ridge]

console has drastically more aimassist

[rose wraith]

So is this saying it’s 18% of .6 and not 18% of .4?

Help me out here

[severe canyon]

Yeah exactly

[mental ridge]

the base value of console aimassist is 60% aimbot for 60hz a undisclosed value for 120hz people assume its somewhere around 50% aimbot to 55%

[severe canyon]

.6

25% of 0.4

[rose wraith]

So console is going from .6 to .5

[severe canyon]

Yeah

Unless your on performance mode

Because it already puts you around 0.5

[mental ridge]

0.55 with 22% less is 0.43 aimassist

[rose wraith]

Which makes pc roller .4 to .3

[severe canyon]

Yeah

[rose wraith]

Ya I still don’t really have a prob with that.

That sounds fine

[mental ridge]

or 0.39 if they have 0.5

[severe canyon]

Me neither

[rose wraith]

The issue mentioned of low performance PCs being an outlier is a valid one but like

Just tell respawn on Reddit or whatever

[severe canyon]

I think sometimes I get molested by 0.6 close range but they only tickle me outwith 30m range so kinda balanced

[rose wraith]

They can just tune numbers as needed or maybe make it tied to frame rate not platform

[severe canyon]

They most likely won’t change for a bit

[mental ridge]

effectively its only a 16.7% reduction

[severe canyon]

I’ve seen comments from the play test saying that they’re not satisfied with aa in its merged state

And the time it took for this nerf

I’m not hopeful

But it’s a step in the right direction for sure

[rose wraith]

I averaged it

18% of .6 actually puts it at .42

Wait no

Other way

[mental ridge]

lets just hope they keep looking at data and dont shy away from nerfing

[rose wraith]

49.8

[severe canyon]

Yeah

[rose wraith]

I mean yeah that’s why complaining is stupid

They literally can just change it again if it needs work.

[severe canyon]

The problem is that they don’t change

[rose wraith]

Why not let them try a way and then if it needs tuning they tune it

They are literally changing it tomorrow.

[severe canyon]

Or are excruciatingly slow at doing so

[rose wraith]

Hot fixes addressing problematic patches happen constantly too

[severe canyon]

It took them 3 years of the understanding that it was too op

[rose wraith]

It’s not a guarantee but with aim assist being as a sensitive topic as it is I feel like they’re gonna tune it a bit more as they go

[severe canyon]

They don’t hot fix

Just bi-season updates

[mental ridge]

i did some vector calculations on how those value impact aiming
and the increased time on targets after a not realized strafe direction change is ridiculous on any of those values even on 0.3 they stay on target 1.43x longer

[severe canyon]

I’m disenfranchised as fuck

You getting in too deep again wolf

Stop before you became the mofo from beautiful mind

[mental ridge]

i mean realistically they need let people get used to aimassist to see how much further they need to nerf to evenit out so we wont get hot fixes Anyways

[rose wraith]

I am totally OK with roller having some amount of accuracy higher than mouse and key. It’s not like the argument that mouse and key benefits from specific things in a way Controller doesn’t was snake oil.

The numbers just needed tuning. If they can get the accuracy to be closer to 15 to 20% more than PC mouse and key I’m sure things will feel way better.

[severe canyon]

They should just make rollers players play with their hands behind their backs at all times

[rose wraith]

The study that came out for Rfive servers showing that controller accuracy was like 30 to 40% higher, definitely showcase that the existing system need changes, but frankly, I am just grateful respawn is making a change

[severe canyon]

And employ people to certify everyone’s doing it

[rose wraith]

Controller definitely feels like dog shit with absolutely zero aim assist, the number just needs to be lower so that it helps with some of the frustrating stickiness. You lose from a lack of dexterity without making wide swings as an interactive as they currently are.

[mental ridge]

nah i believe that its unfair towards raw input players to have people with a advantage due to software... if they want dual input matchmaking make it even and give people a oppertunity to choose their inputs independently of the platform

[rose wraith]

It is totally fine to believe that

[mental ridge]

obviously we need aimassist in a dual input game

[severe canyon]

I don’t even want dual input matchmaking

Cus then rollers would have no aimbotters

And I’d have them all to myself

[mental ridge]

but the problem with current state aimassist is that it reacts at full force b4 you can even react as a human

[rose wraith]

Considering I just read a humongous blog post from blizzard talking about how their main reason for changing the format of their game was queue times, I am not so sure that a dual input system makes the most sense for their live service game, even if it comes at the expense of the competitive experience

[severe canyon]

Ye

[severe canyon]

Eat blueberries

[rose wraith]

I don’t even disagree with you in a vacuum that the two inputs shouldn’t be in the same lobby, but clearly there are some significant realities to confront when it comes to the overall happiness of their player base which funds the games development.

[severe canyon]

Yur

[mental ridge]

doesn't help im already vaping blueberries and thats definitely hitting harder than oral ingestion

[rose wraith]

I also think that refusing to even acknowledge attempts from respawn to balance the existing situation and taking a hard line all or nothing perspective on completely removing aim assist is out of touch and unrealistic

[severe canyon]

You throwing

I’m acknowledging their attempts

[mental ridge]

the problem is they communicated equal aimassist pc lobbies to content creators hyping up everybody just to take a step back

[rose wraith]

My response to respawn making changes that attempt to make aim assist less of a polarizing Subject is: good for them. I hope that their rebalancing is successful.

[severe canyon]

But they’re also making too much money for me to appreciate them taking 3 years to do an obvious thing from any playtesting

[mental ridge]

i domt think if that was what they let the content creators tell is that i would be annoyed

[rose wraith]

I don’t see that as a problem; in between the time that they pushed out information to contact creators they probably got a lot of pushback or maybe finished testing a new format and decided to push that to production instead. That happens all the time I’m not gonna die on some Hill because what a content creator was slightly different than what got pushed to the game everything that the content creators were told is still basically true. There’s just some minor variations on details, and I’m actually happy that Theymade a more aggressive change to aim punch then what content creators were told.

Personally, I was expecting a simpler Nerf to aim assist, but maybe then we would’ve had the opposite problem where different console platforms would have complained about a lack of equity and implementation. The changes that made it to the live patch seem messy and I’m not quite sure if their numbers are right, but I don’t inherently have a problem with them making platform specific nerfs happen

[severe canyon]

I think they should add a drastic change in height from getting shot in the legs

Preach sister

How to hit more than 9

With pk please mr aim coach

[rose wraith]

Respawn is dropping three humongous quality of life patches that are stealthy contributing to the controller creep; it totally makes sense to me that they are being cautious about Amos’s changes since they are also drastically closing the gap invisibility for MNK

Outlines and health bars on damage dealt is such a no brainer change

[mental ridge]

idk aimassist is such a sensetive toppic and it wasnt tackled for ever this step back makes them uncertain and as if they ate second guessing
further more the aimassist changes have ZERO impact on console players who solo queue or play as a console only party and thus they can always at any time decide of they wanna play pc lobbies meanwhile as a pc player u can never decide that u dont wanna face controller so might as well make it fair

[rose wraith]

Controller players will benefit from it, but an assist was already taken care of a lot of the details so they will see less of a effective damage improvement, compared to mouse and keyboard players who were losing a ton of damage to visibility problems in snow or foliage

[rose wraith]

The word fair is super loaded here. If you make the numbers the same, now it is the console players with the worst frame rates that benefit the least, and are punished the most harshly.

I think the concern about cheap hardware PC players getting the short end of the stick is a valid one, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see that topic start becoming discussed on Reddit fairly shortly

That small subsection of players aside, I am pretty happy with their first go around of the numbers, although I wouldn’t be surprised to see them adjust them a little bit more at the halfway point for the next season

[mental ridge]

id rather have aimassist weaker than stronger than mnk and ngl i dont belive theyll ever touch aimassist any time soon theyll just do it now any maybe again in a year

[rose wraith]

👍

[severe canyon]

Old heads going crazy rn

[mental ridge]

like i ran arround in apex with unreasonably high senses on controller and got my valid season master badges 4ks 20bombs and higher kd seasons without realy stacking or playing careful to maintain my kd
controller is realy not that hard to pick up if u play a safe sense like 4 3 linear

[rose wraith]

This patch is great

Time to see the weapon changes

[mental ridge]

i belive most people heavily underestimate how op aimassist is

[mental ridge]

shotguns are back

[fossil field]

yeah thats why people aren't complaining about it

[rose wraith]

WHAT IS THIS PK CHANGE

[bright elm]

the cry babies won...

[rose wraith]

3 rounds at every mag size for the r3!??

We are so back

[bright elm]

time to uninstall apex, goodbye

[severe canyon]

Huh

[bright elm]

yea im talking about you and the rest of vt apex.

y'all are a bunch of cry babies...

[severe canyon]

How am I crying

Got my ass puzzled

About ea

[bright elm]

anyways

https://tenor.com/view/apex-apex-legends-apex-time-hop-on-apex-get-on-apex-gif-27669695

[mental ridge]

i mean obviously u have like mnk players who never picked up a controller to play the game but the vast majority of controller players pc and console cant tell how strong it is due apex beeing a hard game it feels like its doing nothing to them since they arent used to the fast reaction time necassary on raw input

[severe canyon]

God forbid I complain about a multi billion dollar company

Type shit

[rose wraith]

Lifeline nerf

Yes

[mental ridge]

and those pc rollers just shrug it up to i havent put effort into mnk but theyll assume that once they get better itll be as easy on mnk since they assume the required human reaction time is the same

[rose wraith]

Sheila works like vantage ult

Bro goated change right there

[severe canyon]

You use vantage?

[mental ridge]

idk i feel like its gonna be way more campy noe

[severe canyon]

Diabolical

[rose wraith]

Good seer buffs

[mental ridge]

caustic sitting in his gas fortified on bluerple shield

[tight totem]

yea the sheila buff is funny asf

[rose wraith]

Naw controller zone change is cool

They were underleveled on evo for rotating early

They want to reward you for going to zone on the going to zone characters

Good change

Your team still doesn’t get the benefit

Consistently good placement requires good rotations but good rotations can cost you evo

This will make controllers more viable in comp

Sniper’s mark buff 👀

And QoL change to chew ult acceleration with reload phew

[mental ridge]

from a competitive standpoint maybe what about pubs u just drop loot zone starts closing you run into your 1st team they are controllers that picked up a evo harvester and coz it was on their side of the poi and then they are purple and youre white

[rose wraith]

Great change

[rose wraith]

They’re controllers

How they gonna make you fight them

Just leave

[mental ridge]

but its pubs not ranked

[bright elm]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-i'd-win-gif-7220010602787901432

[rose wraith]

That’s the whole point of mobility

You get to decide when the fight starts and stops

If they’re stacking controllers they have bad mobility

So just leave if you don’t wanna push them

And if they’re running 3 controller that’s zero recon, zero support, zero skirmisher and crypto will just resume being meta as a trap demo guy

Vantage also chews ult accelerators faster

This patch is awesome

Wait spotters lens works on all optics now

Holy shit lol this patch is awesomeeee

[devout tusk]

Sniper buffs are never awesome

[severe canyon]

Yeah especially vantage cus you don’t even aim at them

Although character needs a buff

[rose wraith]

I am contented to move past the lifeline revenant with havocs

Time to see what’s annoying all anew

[severe canyon]

Yeah

Fr

[rose wraith]

Even if a patch meta gets annoying i like the fresh meta every few weeks

[young pine]

I'm gonna love playing gibby this season I think

[severe canyon]

Vantage wouldn’t be annoying if the bullet projectile size wasn’t broken

[rose wraith]

My favorite part about live service games

[severe canyon]

Ginny gone be fun

[rose wraith]

I love her soda can bullets

They’re poggers

[severe canyon]

It’s so hard to miss with it

[rose wraith]

The huge size of them makes her ult less of an aim mini game and more of a strategic tool

[young pine]

do you really think the havoc meta is going anywhere?

[rose wraith]

Yes lol

[severe canyon]

Nah

Prob not

[rose wraith]

The hipfire nerf is quite large

[severe canyon]

Yeah

[rose wraith]

And the actual nerf, 6 less bullets a box in the back pack, will hurt too

The r3 will be meta again for sure

[severe canyon]

But it’s still so strong at mid range it shouldn’t matter

In comp and high level ranked I think it’ll be the same

[rose wraith]

The havoc is still good and people will still use it but now it has som real problems that might actually outweigh its hilariously good damage output

The hemlok nerf is also significant because now the big ammo jump is blue to purple not empty to white

They just nerfed the shit out of purple mag drops

[severe canyon]

I think more rollers will play volt and car but I think it’ll be similar usage rates

[rose wraith]

So hemmy will have way less presence

[severe canyon]

Defo hemlock though

[rose wraith]

I’m surprised the volt didn’t get a buff tbh

[severe canyon]

I think it’s the best dmg

Smg*

[rose wraith]

The CAR is back after tomorrow for sure

[severe canyon]

I think a few more bullets out of havocs mag would have turned it into smg meta

I think volt still better for most people than car

More consistent oneclips

[rose wraith]

Maybe

They’re all in this nice pool of uncertainty

[severe canyon]

We’ll have to see

[rose wraith]

Not being able to clearly point to which one is the best is a good thing.

[severe canyon]

Definitely more even which is good

[rose wraith]

The hemlock was over Nerfed and did not need such a big Nerf to the magazine and the damage, but it is also extremely meta so I’m unsurprised They are hitting it with the Nerf bat to make people get the message.

Purposefully tuning weapons more than they need to also creates Meta variety which isn’t necessarily bad

Personally, I think they could have kept it at 20 damage per bullet and allow the hemlock to remain the premier assault rifle late game

[severe canyon]

I think hemlok is still usable because of energy ammo nerfs impacting nemesis

But nemesis still better

[rose wraith]

I am surprised that the flatline is getting a nerf as well, even though I don’t disagree with it

[severe canyon]

I don’t really think it’s a nerf

[rose wraith]

They took a bullet out of every single magazine that is a Nerf

[severe canyon]

My biggest problem with it is pulling it out close range and getting the worst hipfire

They buffed it’s hip so it should balance it out

[rose wraith]

I agree, the flat line being a close range reliable tool was a pretty iconic characteristic and I am sad. They decided it had to go when the Nerf assault rifle hit fire.

[young pine]

one thing I dont fully understand are the ammo changes. I'll have to see how it plays but it seems harsh

[severe canyon]

I think ammo makes sense

[rose wraith]

Energy weapons are super Meta and light ammo weapons are not getting picked up a lot. Since battle Royale is a complex game mode with a tactical and strategic sphere, it makes sense that they would explore ways to balance the weapons outside of raw combat.

[severe canyon]

It’s gonna be annoying but it should be

[rose wraith]

Again, I don’t think it made a lot of sense to buff ammo count by such a large number and also give the R301 alternator and R3 45 so much extra per weapon but hey

I also like arbitrary Meta changes to keep the game fresh

[severe canyon]

Light guns are peashooters so I don’t even care

[rose wraith]

The R301 still has a better time to kill than the flat line. Don’t sleep on it.

Three extra bullets at every single magazine size will help make the R30 one off drop feels significantly better

[severe canyon]

Yeah

For sure

[rose wraith]

Like the 18 round R3 off drop is so dog shit

It is going to be crazy how much better that gun feels now compared to picking up a havoc or a flat line

[young pine]

personally I think not having enough ammo is just artificial difficulty that just feels terrible. Just like not finding a white bag off drop just feels like shit

[rose wraith]

It added a ton of RNG back into the drop because if you found a havoc or a flat line instead of an R30 one you basically won for free because your odds of getting a one clip on a white shield was way higher

[severe canyon]

Kendo’s right off drop though

[rose wraith]

Light ammo also tends to do less damage per bullet in every weapon class

[severe canyon]

Energy guns are gonna be so annoying off drop

You’re gonna get 36 ammo reserve

[rose wraith]

Adding more bullets in ends up equaling out damage, dealt overtime in longer range, firefights and chip damage

[forest gazelle]

ben the voice recognition grinder

[rose wraith]

Yerr I’m chilling at the house

I like Siri transcriptions she does a pretty good job

[forest gazelle]

i always feel so dumb talking at my phone lmao i tried it a few times for fun

makes me feel old

[rose wraith]

It is kind of silly if another human can hear you, but I am by myself a lot of the time so I don’t mind at all

[forest gazelle]

[severe canyon]

It wouldn’t understand my ass

I got a Scottish accent

[rose wraith]

There is definitely a learning curve, even for an English speaker, and Lord knows the product is catered to specific languages and accents

Anyway

Goated patch once again

Respawn has been killing it

Love their fixes for visibility and the AA changes

[lusty vault]

If it plays well tomorrow I will but

Nut

[lusty vault]

🤨

[severe canyon]

Butnut?

[craggy prairie]

the emote was inspired by the cat

(real)

[unborn token]

Ok real question but why did we make aim training into the aim training every day day insert number insert benchmark screenshot thing

And that's from people that supposedly " aren't " aim trainer mains

[lusty vault]

Solidifying daily interaction

Is my assumption

[unborn token]

I thought so too

[lusty vault]

But just like any sport you practice

Obviously not daily multiple times a day

[unborn token]

But posting your daily progress when you should be realistically aim training for better in game aim is stupid

[lusty vault]

For best results

[unborn token]

Bc you won't see actual progress the next day

Aim progress comes in a week or 2

And that's from deliberately doing something for a specific amount of time a day

So the whole

Day 50 aim training thing is stupid

You made no improvement from day 47 to 50

Unless they look at it score wise? Which would be stupid

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Those headlines are click bait and round numbers are obviously easier to digest

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And daily " aim " "improvement" isnt present in their in-game clips either

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But I understand

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Made me ask how they conceive improvement

Because no way are you noticing any from last days in-game session to the next

😭

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Some people get placebod hard

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Just this whole thing is starting to be posted by many people on twitter and it's just dumb

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Mixed with better sleep one night

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Ig

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More water intake

Eating

Maybe they coffeed at a diff time

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It prob is placebo effect

They think they r improving day by day but they just aren't

Anyway I go back to movie

Goobye

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