apex

[wintry cypress]

or alt

[mellow kestrel]

yea obv

but

its just sad how weak the r9 is now

[wintry cypress]

yeah

and the prowler is still insane

like

[mellow kestrel]

it was perfect imo before mag size changes

[wintry cypress]

respawn balance team off a perc

[mellow kestrel]

yea just remove the prowler honestly

roller gun

[woeful garnet]

Why

[mellow kestrel]

its insane in general but def a roller gun

[thorn swallow]

Because people are brain dead because they have a second life

[main merlin]

All the burst guns are good

[unborn token]

progression kinda goated holy

real

[sharp ice]

301 agruably feels worse

than r9

piss gun

unless you headshot it does nothing compared to like a flatline

unreal

[unborn token]

cool vro

[woeful garnet]

how do you dodge better

[mellow kestrel]

practice dodging

[bright elm]

lg duels or 1v1s

only way to get better at dodging is to have bullets shot at u

[warped basin]

Its a great gamemode and a lot of fun but the lobbies are very sweaty. I just W key of course and the amount of insane 1 clip i have received by pred roller players isnt funny

Kinda him. What vt rank?

[thorn swallow]

im actually so pissed about this if i had killed the teamers i ran into during this

[warped basin]

U got it

Got my first 20 today as a relatively new apex player and i had to play like jesus himself. The lobbies are so sweaty but just try to find a havoc, play octane and just go from kill to kill with 0 time wasted. Octane op for solos because the selfheal is so much that u can permastim.

[ornate gorge]

KC land cage play if its hotdrop and play KOH

easy 20k of ur like

life^

[warped lake]

no

[silver olive]

yoo do you like my new eRgONoMIC mouse?

[uncut stream]

0

got 16h on kovaak XD

nah tbh overwatch was my aimtrainer back in the days

were i started FPS / Shooters

[mental ridge]

do the benchmarks its fun imo

i dont play alot of aimtrainer but its fun every now and then

[uncut stream]

ye wanted to, just to see how it feels / where i am in aiming scenarios

[mental ridge]

takes some time to build kovaaks gamesense

[mental ridge]

gogogo

[strange canyon]

I think I'm in silver rn

I was in bronze yesterday

[placid root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234541021933867109/1242543083116040333/mnk_gamer1.mp4?ex=664e37ec&is=664ce66c&hm=36809cea8a3dbb738bba80bffe431dba5079c1c3383ba72e6e17263451bfc439&

peak mnk enjoyment

[wintry cypress]

guess imma start grinding some OW again 😭

[late rampart]

is it bad to main two legends because right now i main wriath but I also want to get good at pathfinder

[regal rose]

no mines all over the place based on what my teammates pick

[late rampart]

alright

[regal rose]

i also main those two lol

[rose wraith]

dunno why the fuck the hemlok is just allowed to remain this busted

does so much damage for no reason

[quaint karma]

they do it on purpose

have metas like this i mean

gun balancer at the lan before the previous one said as much in an interview

theyre perfectly capable of achieving balance in the guns

they just dont want to do it

must be a live service game thing

i mean realistically, everything is in a pretty good state rn, they could literally tweak a few variables and have near perfect balance imo

keep r9 mag size the way it is and give it its damage back, increase r301 mag size and decrease havoc mag size

idk abotu the burst guns, many ways to tweak them

[young pine]

they do have a balancing philosophy it's just very different from the way you think games should be balanced

or people in general think it should be balanced

they'll be bringing subs more in line with the r99, its just in an awkward spot atm

[quaint karma]

its just useless rn

[young pine]

but they want subs to be very punishing like the r9 can be

[quaint karma]

could be less useless with bigger mag

[young pine]

they want to make sure ARs are very good long range and only long range

[quaint karma]

but last time they nerfed it they double nerfed it for some reason

god knows why

[quaint karma]

they arent

burst guns are

which i guess are also ARs

different category of AR tho

[young pine]

yeah the game is in an awkward stage rn, where some guns match their ideal balance

and others just dont yet. in time they will tho

[quaint karma]

theyre not looking for ideal balance

i can link the interview

unless their opinion on balancing has changed within the last year?

[young pine]

Sure i'll watch it

[quaint karma]

ok ill try to find it actually, im sure its up somewhere

[young pine]

from my understanding they want ARs mid/long range, subs super close range they hate that you can main a sub

[quaint karma]

i only saw it on twitch live

[young pine]

and not sure with shotguns

[quaint karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU-O83JqEGM

this is with stupid reactions ig

yeah they talk over the interview

smh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePCKNnjx5UY

this is without the reactions

yeah he says it literally at the start

@young pine

more on that 9 minutes in

[young pine]

yeah that's very concerning you're right. awful way to look at the game. I thought their vision was to gradually bring other smgs to where the r99 is

but they're just sick of the r9 😂

[quaint karma]

its alright, i dont mind too much

but i just dont think guns should be as unusable as the r9 is

like you can hvae guns shine but that doesnt mean some of them have to suck this badly

like its exceptionally bad

[young pine]

my biggest problem with the balancing are the marksmans/snipers

longbow just doesnt feel good to use it needs a huge rework imo. charge rifle needs another rework

bring my 3030 back that was my baby

i like what they did with the wingman tho. great off drop/early game but falls off

[mental ridge]

its bs gimme back my mags

[true ravine]

they should do the same they did to wingman

brings back old 30-30 damage but cant use ext. mag on it

scout needs a rework too

no one uses it

for a long time

[mental ridge]

this is some bullshit does he even know what hes talking about they are consistantly nerfing every gun over time

like r301 nerfed

flatline nerfed

wingman nerfed

all smgs nerfed

mastiff nerfed

pk idk tbh

they nerf so much

[quaint karma]

well this is from the lan before the previous one

idk when that was

[mental ridge]

when i talk about nerfs im talking over the cours of the entire game

spitfire is nerfed and so is the rampage

g7 is nerfed

3030 is nerfed

only Mozambique and p2020 got buffed

[young pine]

the spitfire just needs to be deleted

its one of those guns thats gonna be OP broken or useless

[young pine]

i think it just needed a big hipfire nerf and thats it. but im bias af i loved that gun from day 1

[mental ridge]

yeah to many bullets

[mental ridge]

i want mags on my wingman

and if it tops out at 8 with 5 without a mag

[gaunt flume]

c8djrfhk custom game join up

[placid root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690520351989432361/1242623359888654416/aim_assist_haver.mp4?ex=664e82af&is=664d312f&hm=386060aee8f7fe074c1d5be8163ff52a91429e7946537ddda5f6862d8e4622c2&

:clueless:

balanced input

[ocean flame]

that was some pretty good movement

nice

[flat coral]

I hate that being an alb fan has led to me watching a triple roller team

[young pine]

i cant watch roller players

no hate but i just cant

[mental ridge]

its just boring

unless u wanna lol about how broken aimassist is

[young pine]

for me when I watch a stream I normally do it semi educationally. i feel like theres not alot of value i can extract out of a roller stream when i play mnk

thats why I dont watch 3 stack rank streams, because I never 3 stack it doesnt help me at all

[mental ridge]

yes roller gameplay is boring

look at enemie and aimassist them

then slowly turn to the next enemie and continue the bastion roleplay

then for the third look at them and watch them perish to the inhuman reaction time of aimassist

i mean some roller players do interesting stuff but i can only ever enjoy console movement players in console lobbies since they do something barely anybody does in their lobbies

a pc movement controller might aswell play mnk lol

[thin raven]

why so many boosted camper in my team so fking usless aahhhh

[thorn swallow]

update on me going crazy over 20 bomb

[flat coral]

at least configs aren't being abused so much anymore

[mental ridge]

yeah but some people still do lol

[raven hull]

config abuse is mainly mnk now

not sure why they dont just outright disable it and any settings we normally change get added into the client

[mental ridge]

press ctrl shift s then u can screenshot

[raven hull]

makes the most sense

but that would require development time that could be used for some more predatory microtransactions so they never will.

[thorn swallow]

doesnt work on stretch pretty sure

[raven hull]

yeah it doesnt, it just tabs you out if you try

i have the same issue playing 16:10

[mental ridge]

only if u use dx11 and have fullscreen optimisation disabled

should work on dx12 i think

[bright elm]

ctrl alt print screen

[alpine trail]

"AA isnt as helpfull as you think!"

[mental ridge]

no no its a insane controller player just like every other roller player that is mentally in form

[alpine trail]

so true theyre just more skilled than mnk players because rollers are more sane than mnk mostly

[sonic wedge]

dude is everyone playing solos a twitch streamer, 80% I die and see someones banners is TTV or twitch/....

[mental ridge]

yes their inhuman reflexes thats all them

[sonic wedge]

theres more apex streamers than ppl watching streams

[alpine trail]

insane 0ms reflexes

beyond what us mnk players can even imagine

[mental ridge]

they react to whats happening while the frame gets renderd they perfectly predict the future

[alpine trail]

its almost like they already knew its gonna happen

HMM

ARE ROLLERS

READING THE FUTURE?

[mental ridge]

idk i always stopped playing apex when solo lobbies got to annoying and went back to r5reloaded

Basically bootcampung myself and conditioning sbmm

at the same time

[alpine trail]

yeah i think roller players exist on a higher plane than we mortals do

are they 4d perhaps?

[mental ridge]

yes they precive time differently than us

[sonic wedge]

its like u have 1 good game and then u get put into lobby full of preds and TTV streamers wannabies for 5 games untill you get shit on and then the cycle repeats

[ornate gorge]

does solo have altered loot spawns ?

[arctic violet]

what's the meaning of complaining about people being better than u?

[mental ridge]

retention based matchmaking is dog poop

having varying skilled lobbies so u play "longer"

so everybody gets a "good round "

[sonic wedge]

whats the meaning of putting TTV in your name when you average 2 viewers on twitch, thats what I was wondering

[sonic wedge]

ye so true youre about to stop playing and then u get put into easy lobby pop off and youre more likely to keep going

its like game decieding how often youre allowed to do good lol

[woeful garnet]

i dont think anyone says this anymore

[mental ridge]

yes as often as u need to keep playing

[woeful garnet]

other than like console players but nobody cares about their opinion

[mental ridge]

u think that reality is different

[arctic violet]

doesn't make any sense but it's not a thing that u are in control of so it's useless to talk

[woeful garnet]

literally nobody says that tho

only casuals think that

[mental ridge]

yeah no mnk player but as soon as u get into a roller bubble the oppinion is different

[woeful garnet]

nobody that actually understands the game says that

[arctic violet]

Just get good

[mental ridge]

i make good progress but im only half a year on mnk

[sonic wedge]

I mean ye its just this matchmaking is frustrating af

[sonic wedge]

whats your rank in apex ?

[mental ridge]

sucks to get outbeamed by professional aimassist abusers when i wish i could just stay away from roller

[sonic wedge]

they should just remove sbmm and make input spearate lobbies or remove AA all together would be much better game imo

[arctic violet]

dude i'm not here to say that I'm better than u or whatever u think

I'm just saying that's useless and sad complain about people being good at the game

like 'those pred tryharder' ruins the fun of playing

u will prefer to have bot lobby every time u play and drop a 25bomb every game?😂

[arctic violet]

and also rank doesn't define skill

[sonic wedge]

I dont mind playing vs "tryhards" im not complaning about players Im complaning about matchmaking that decieds when Im allowed to have popoff game

I wanna play vs people not algorithm

[sonic wedge]

what does then ?

[hollow brook]

apex is just about being aware

you get third partied like every fight if you don't choose wisely

positional advantage, weapon advantage

so many things

[sonic wedge]

there are people who que into solos for 10-20 times just to instat die then they get into bot lobbis and farm 20bomb

[hollow brook]

i dont get your point

[sonic wedge]

my point is sbmm sucks ass in this game

[hollow brook]

the game varies so much that it doesn't matter

[arctic violet]

your gameplay and ur mechanical skill

[arctic violet]

that's always been like that

nothing new

[sonic wedge]

which you have to use in ranked games and then you have mesurement of how good you are ? lol

[hollow brook]

winning is more brain than mechanic

[sonic wedge]

ye I would say it goes game sense>aim> movement/mechanics

[arctic violet]

yeah but it's not related to u and only u but to ur teammates also

u can reach master easy if u 3stacks have decent aim an decent overall knowledge of the map/game ecc.

that means u are really good at the game only because u have a badge? not at all

[sonic wedge]

ye I would say if you can reach master that means youre really good at the game

unless its s17 master or you 3stacked and got carried or some shit

[raven hull]

those are probably the caveats that Theo means. You have no way of knowing how someone got their rank. Just because someone is pred doesnt mean they actually have pred skills, same applies for masters too.

ive seen some utter dog shit masters players who got there purely because of hours played and not skill or awareness. Would i consider them good players? no not in the slightest

[silver olive]

if only they had soloq for ranked so you knew who got there for real

[mental ridge]

and then there is me if i say so myself im quiet good for beeing shit

[silver olive]

a soloq master is far scarier than a 3stack masters

[sonic wedge]

I mean ye there were seasons where you could cheese your way to master s17 ofc thats why theres so many master badges but I dont think you can apply that to pred

[raven hull]

[mental ridge]

last season master is scary in general

[sonic wedge]

ye last season and this season even dimond is scary lol

[mental ridge]

there were less people in diamond than there were people in master ever since season 13

[arctic violet]

exactly

[raven hull]

its very easy to apply to pred, theres tons of boosters selling pred rank holds. Tons of cheaters etc.

[silver olive]

which was the season when they banned like 30% of master/preds cuz they were cheaters?

[raven hull]

when i watch pred streams i swear theres atleast 2 bans every match

i mean good that they are banning them but shit, they shouldnt have made it that far to start with

[sonic wedge]

this season and last season rank is a good representation of skill imo and it is that way because they removed sbmm in ranked which birngs it back to my point sbmm sucks

[raven hull]

tbf im bad, so i shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion on this anyway

[mental ridge]

sbmm in pubs is so bullshit... like why did i get better? just to end up in lobbies where everybody obliterates me if i blink to long

[mental ridge]

1v1

the stake is honor

[raven hull]

i have none to start with

[mental ridge]

weak

[raven hull]

i already got flattened enough this morning 1v1ing reformed after helping him set up his monitor

he was adjusting to the 240hz and still spreading my cheeks

[mental ridge]

he was adjusting to a upgrade ?

[raven hull]

Sort of, he was playing on a 1440p 144 downsacaled to 1080p

now hes on a 1080 240 native so it felt a bit different to him

either way

clowned my ass

[mental ridge]

what kind of shitbox does he own so he downscales to 1080p

[raven hull]

it was more end game scrims would put his fps to 90 and give mad screen tares

look i advised against him getting 240 1080 and said to upgrade his gpu

so dont ask me

i take no responsibility

[placid root]

Not good enough, apparently

[marsh sentinel]

if you wanna improve fast go grind r5, that will humble you real quick

[raven hull]

ong fr

[mental ridge]

should have told him to get a r7800x3d rtx 4080super 230hz oled setup

[raven hull]

240hz oled is goated

i can confirm

[placid root]

my 240hz 1080p TN panel is still good

[mental ridge]

to me it did the opposite i expected to get shit on harder

[raven hull]

[mental ridge]

cry

[marsh sentinel]

what is your r5 name? I want to see your stats

[raven hull]

whens the jungle gym lesson then fella

[placid root]

anytime

[mental ridge]

smoothbot

im on mnk for half a year

i expected to have a negative kf

[raven hull]

wait shit, i lose the use of my arm tomorrow. uhhh nevermind

[marsh sentinel]

1.13 is pretty good for R5 ngl

all semi-pro/ pros on there or roller demons

[raven hull]

i didnt realise it was already Wednesday

where do you check kd for r5?

[marsh sentinel]

https://r5r.dev/leaderboard.php?type=player&player=smoothbot#s

[marsh sentinel]

what is your VT rank?

[raven hull]

you know what

the fact i nearly have a 1kd

is fine with me

24% accuracy tho, is pretty abysmal

id be better off punching

[marsh sentinel]

gotta get used to that r99 recoil I swear it starts with r9 80% of the rounds

[raven hull]

Im honorable af

[mental ridge]

plat hit it lately

[mental ridge]

mostly eu tho

[marsh sentinel]

damn I woulda thought GM or something your stats are pretty good on R5 for plat

is EU r5 easier than NA? dunno how that works

[raven hull]

yeah eu is full of creatures

[marsh sentinel]

lmao

[raven hull]

also EU had worse ping for a long time

because the servers were in Israel

[marsh sentinel]

oh geez yeah that is bad

[raven hull]

that well known EU country

[mental ridge]

some say so

[raven hull]

[mental ridge]

i have 5 ping most of the time

[raven hull]

yeah its been fixed for a while

[mental ridge]

i started playing r5r like last week end

[marsh sentinel]

I get a lot of no regs in r5 but idk if that is server or just r5

[raven hull]

but for while it was better to play NA than EU lol

[mental ridge]

i swear to god i choked so many kills coz i locked in r99 wingman the ammount of times some dude just oneclips me with a havoc i feel like im.throwing playing my favorite guns

[mental ridge]

r5r feels so wierd half the time my brain thinks im.on but i aint

[sonic wedge]

Havoc just too good

[marsh sentinel]

Zer0 is the R5 god for MnK his strafes are on point

[raven hull]

i dont even understand strafe theory, i barely understand how to live

[mental ridge]

zaizen is enough to make me look like a toddler

[mental ridge]

i never got to read it propperly

[sonic wedge]

"strafe theory" sounds serious

[raven hull]

its all the top r5 players talk about

[sonic wedge]

Like some Stephen Hawking stuff

[raven hull]

literally nothing else comes out of their lips

[marsh sentinel]

this dude explains it pretty well https://youtu.be/o7D-9KaT2fQ?si=aWn_zn5OhQbeZClD

[raven hull]

no way doki used the VHS filter on an educational video

im dead bro

hes over uses that shit so hard

[marsh sentinel]

lmao

[raven hull]

hes so goated but his videos are unwatchable because you cant see anything

[marsh sentinel]

https://r5r.dev/leaderboard.php?type=player&player=LethalOne20#s wow this man is dedicated

[raven hull]

i respect the grind

i mean in his case probably grinding his sanity into a fine paste

but its a grind none the less

[raven hull]

Like seriously, im getting a headache trying to read this. How did he edit this and think "yep thats fine"

i feel like i took off my glasses

[marsh sentinel]

Yeah that is super blurry lol he could have condensed the video a bit too

[mental ridge]

@lapis moat

[raven hull]

ive told him this before

[lapis moat]

looks hard

still does

[mental ridge]

making sure constructive feedback reaches him

[lapis moat]

but ur right for some vids i should turn it down a lil

[raven hull]

then info is sick but man, i have a headache after a few mins

[marsh sentinel]

W vid though doki good info

[lapis moat]

especially when i’m editing for like overwatch stuff

[mental ridge]

we wanna learn not i stictively clean our clean glasses for no reason

[mental ridge]

u have any tipps for wingman ?

i lately developed this strate where i sometimes just stand still for a split sec to better see where the enemie strafes

[raven hull]

I agree, the vibe is immaculate. for stuff like montages its a cool opening for a clip or two but then could fade into normal quality. Sometimes you have used it to such extreme cases that when you shoot something med - long range its completely incomprehensible

just my 2 cents

[lapis moat]

ye definitely sometimes

i actually have a less intense filter for frag vids

[marsh sentinel]

I agree that fading it out after into would likely look better overall

[lapis moat]

should use that for stream highlights like these

[marsh sentinel]

intro*

[lapis moat]

two things

1. take ur time with shots, the motion should be aim, confirm on target, shoot

its ok to miss out on a little bit of dps for better accuracy

2. is take note of your aim strategy, you should be tracking with the gun, no unnecessary flicks and no flicking off and back onto the target

[raven hull]

would you say the same applies to shotguns as well

?

[lapis moat]

yes

[marsh sentinel]

that is my big problem is unnecessary flicks, I try to do a huge flick onto target when I should just keep my aim on the target the whole time

[lapis moat]

no chasing the enemy with your shots either (another common mistake for clicking weapons)

[mental ridge]

im.nit tracking that much i think i just keep my poa near the enemie and wait for a vailabel moment to flick

[lapis moat]

you should first aim by reading the enemys strafe, and then put your crosshair where you believe he will go

only go back to flicking if you realize you made a wrong read

[mental ridge]

i tend to keep aim quiet

[marsh sentinel]

are you looking at the enemy feet, chest area, crosshair? when tracking their strafe

[lapis moat]

also underaiming always helps

chest area for me, but aim in game is not just putting your crosshair on target

[mental ridge]

chest obviously

[lapis moat]

there is a whole part to aim where you actively read the enemys movements in game to figure out their intentions

if someone is ad spamming you should stay calm and aim in the middle, people whiff trying to purely react to movement

this is why movement players are good in pubs against bad players but always get stomped by people like us

because movement is visually hard to react to, but mostly easy to read

[mental ridge]

tell that them console players lul

[lapis moat]

controller aim is also what your mnk aim should look like because they are always underaiming

good goal

[marsh sentinel]

yeah I react too hard and overaim often when they spam strafe

[raven hull]

ive heard that before and its so true, slowing down your aim and being more deliberate instead of spazzing all over that place trying to hit shots.

[lapis moat]

its not 1:1 since controller is op and you cant react as fast but you get the point

no unnecessary movements

[raven hull]

for sure

[marsh sentinel]

https://r5r.dev/leaderboard.php?type=player&player=KoyWasTaken#s insane stats lol

[lapis moat]

i would have the highest acc on mnk if i wasnt on 250 ping

but even then it would only be around 36%

[raven hull]

thats you right?

[lapis moat]

ye

[raven hull]

actually disgusting stats

[lapis moat]

my mate tvvo is next up hes probably better than me by now

wtfistwo

[twilit flicker]

two is insane

doki does he come from quake?

[lapis moat]

ye he plays lg

[mental ridge]

@lapis moat how hard is eu voltaic 1v1 on average?

[lapis moat]

i dont play eu a lot but just from stats a lot easier than NA

and then japan is even easier

[twilit flicker]

ye i can tell he does the standing still thing to bm

[silver olive]

what is difference between chasing and tracking?

[lapis moat]

theres often mnk players trailing behind the enemy and then trying to flick back on every shot

instead of a smooth motion

[mental ridge]

so anyways u said alot about underaiming confirming shots etc what about ständig still for like half a sec just to land a guaranteed shot?

[lapis moat]

i mean u still have to like kinda confirm ur crosshair is on target visually regardless of your own movement

standing still isnt recommended for obvious reasons

[mental ridge]

not even for a split second to break my strafe pattern ?

like the Plaza bot does it alot and it throws at least me off alot

[lapis moat]

yea but ur mnk

thats the problem

[mental ridge]

u mean rollers wont be thrown off?

[lapis moat]

also apex movement accel/decel isnt fast enough for this to be hard to react to

[lapis moat]

ye

[mental ridge]

what do i do if the enemie strafes throw me off so much that idk whats going on with them

[twilit flicker]

do the same

[lapis moat]

ye + then its pure reacting for your aim if you cant read it

[mental ridge]

like sometimes they strafe so fast left and right i cant sync my strafe into either a mirror or anti mirror in any way

[lapis moat]

u can do the same and try to dodge

realize if its hard for you to aim when dodging it is just as hard for the enemy

[mental ridge]

as in move more in 1 direction to get a different perspective on their strafes?

[lapis moat]

bias, dodge tracers, etc

getting an angle like that would be good too, but not always doable

[mental ridge]

what if due to a desync for me its impossible but for them they are perfectly anti mirroring me

[lapis moat]

if your strafes are short they cant antimirror perfectly either

[mental ridge]

hm how do i dodge then dont i need longer strafes for that

[lapis moat]

nope thats not how dodge works

[twilit flicker]

depends on the player

[lapis moat]

and ye it also depends

luka knows a good amount too i’m going to bed

[twilit flicker]

gn king

[mental ridge]

https://youtu.be/o7D-9KaT2fQ?si=aWn_zn5OhQbeZClD

if i watch that to the end will most of my questions be answered or is there somewhere more material on the matter?

[lapis moat]

theres a bit more to it but this is a decent start

as for reading material look at sams guide

and then

https://x.com/eskebn/status/1753388849273672014?s=46&t=YgEf-6HRatFp33CnDRgSzA

✦ eskezje (@eskebn) on X

Bored out of my mind, so I whipped up this guide on lg dodging
I don't think there is such a comprehensive guide out there as this.
it's FREE btw https://t.co/jv2MjQFfNF

Twitter · Feb 2, 2024, 12:04 PM

https://x.com/sqbon/status/1765882748336480428?s=46&t=YgEf-6HRatFp33CnDRgSzA this is alright

Sqbon (@sqbon) on X

1/ Angles - Thread

What are angles?
Why do they help?

An "angle" refers to positioning yourself on the side relative to the enemies crosshair position and player model, this changes how they look on your screen making them appear slower and easier to hit.

Twitter · Mar 7, 2024, 11:30 PM

[twilit flicker]

https://bysam.github.io/strafe/

[ornate gorge]

r h guys lacking shields in solo

or js me

i could kill 10+ people and have zero shield cells

[mental ridge]

sams guide ? just google it?

[mental ridge]

oh this one? is sams guide?

[twilit flicker]

yes

[mental ridge]

is there a good video about it coz my adhd brain realy struggles with reading

[twilit flicker]

i dont think so

[mental ridge]

how isnt it a realy old guide

[twilit flicker]

i think wrthcrw has some strafe vids

havent watched but people say its helpful

u could also learn from dokis vods

[mental ridge]

thats my plan

and then ping him everytime i cant read something xD

[fickle scroll]

Hello people, I'm training my backwards superglide
Aaannndd I'm struggling: I don't know when i have to press S and the glide input

[devout tusk]

yeah sometimes i have 8 bats sometimes i have 0 shields at all

[mental ridge]

u can backwardsuperglide without tabstrafes?

[devout tusk]

you can but its like

really hard to do

https://www.reddit.com/r/Apexrollouts/comments/rynkg7/completely_backwards_super_glides_are_possible/

[dusk saddle]

today hurt

i got my first 20 bomb though 😭

[marsh sentinel]

W, in solos or pubs?

[dusk saddle]

solos

unfortunately did just too many kill steals </3

[dusk saddle]

so i got both 20 bomb badges

i aint mad

[compact oracle]

How are u not losing ur sanity watching the .4 aimbot kill cams in solos

[wintry cypress]

LMAO

I get that in mixtape

Fucking horizon aim assist abusing while bhopping

Best player in the game

[compact oracle]

yea was bad in mixtape and now in solos too. I play like 2hrs and then i start tilting seeing the same 4-3 linear havoc horizon starterpack every time i die

[mental ridge]

wait u get both 20bomb badges in solos?

[compact oracle]

yes you do

[mental ridge]

huh whats the point of the event 20b badge then i thought they introduced it coz solos 20bombs are from solos

[unborn token]

240hz buff 🗣️

should honestly have

way better

at least like top 20

[wintry cypress]

thats why i played like 3-4h of xdefiant today

was honestly pretty fun

and then i started throwing or smth

prob cause i got tired

[wintry cypress]

im defo getting a better monitor next year

but first better pc

[unborn token]

man

switched from 1440p 144hz va

havent

used an ips

in ages

like 7 years

close

[wintry cypress]

been using an IPS panel for like 2-3 years now lol

165hz

next up is oled 1440p with 240hz or more

[unborn token]

man

what fucks it

is that i can see

individual pixels

[mental ridge]

i got the 360hz alienware for under 900€

[unborn token]

bc ive been on 1440p

for 3 years

closee

[wintry cypress]

blud is rich

i got like 150eu in my bank acc rn

[mental ridge]

i work full time and im living alone

[wintry cypress]

that makes more sense 😂

[mental ridge]

i looking forwards to study tho so maybe my cheapo days come soon

[mental ridge]

thats so annoying about 1080p

[wintry cypress]

cant relate

[mental ridge]

whats the diagonal ?

24 or 27 inch

[frigid bramble]

i’ve been using one for about 6 months now. best thing i’ve ever bought for my gaming. got the LG 1440p 240hz oled

[wintry cypress]

27 inch 1080p is suicide

i kinda wanna wait for 360hz tho

not that i have any money anyway tho 😂

[thorn swallow]

1kd btw

[sonic wedge]

wait for this one

[wintry cypress]

nah what am i gonna use 1000hz for 😭

[mental ridge]

so u can see each frame of apex

[sonic wedge]

same thing as 360hz, pretending it makes your aim better

[wintry cypress]

Valid lol

[late rampart]

what legend will help you get better at the game the fastest

[quaint karma]

wym wait for

[soft saffron]

can you even run apex on 1000 fps

[quaint karma]

its limited to 300

[summer cape]

How you liking the monitor? Got mine last week

[mental ridge]

alot it took me some time to optimize my system to have the best motion clarity tho

[mental ridge]

still better motion clarity at 360 compared to 240hz

[summer cape]

Same here it’s amazing, was worried about eye strain but haven’t had any issues

What res do you run on apex

[quaint karma]

jade patstrafe on controller

[glass bridge]

hit this clip

installed my handcam today so

[quaint karma]

was there someone behind you here? you shouldnt walk up those stairs towards the octane imo, no space to strafe

roller oneclips that every day of the week

[glass bridge]

yeah it was more just me playing casually, i didn't realize they were behind me

i hear footsteps to my left and think hes up the stairs

that drop sound was them behind me and and i instictively ran into the room for cover

[quaint karma]

also the octane is very clearly behind you as you walk out the room

and is gonna shoot you in the back

[glass bridge]

yeh, i banked on that he was gonna be bad

since im bad and my mmr is basically that

[quaint karma]

https://tenor.com/view/jigglypuff-pokemon-pokemon-jigglypuff-super-smash-bros-smash-bros-gif-14974125131297210697

[devout tusk]

I hope they keep solos

I havent played apex this much since s3

[bright elm]

what if im also roller

[devout oyster]

salut tout le monde si jamais il y a des francais je chercher des playlist sympas pour kovaack

[half salmon]

coinflip

[alpine trail]

🪙

[mental ridge]

2k 16:9

[mental ridge]

what do u wanna tell me?

[raven hull]

Goated panel

[mental ridge]

yee u dont even need gsync / freesync

for below refreshrate fps

[raven hull]

true, i run fixed refresh and its the smoothest the game has ever felt

[mental ridge]

yes took me some overclocking and optimizations i didnt knew of b4 to get tge best motion clarity

[wintry cypress]

360hz 1440p oled isnt out yet right

[quaint karma]

its been out since january

[wintry cypress]

The fuck 😭

Aight i just need the money then i guess

[quaint karma]

might be 800 by the time you buy

its still like 900 now

[unborn token]

Apparently only if you've been on 1440p

And then go back

You can just notice difference

Which I do now

Kinda fucks some stuff but

[devout tusk]

Ye i miss 1440p tbh

[quaint karma]

@unborn tokenhttps://streamable.com/4o5sp6

am i the best or what

[devout tusk]

But its nice not playing potato graphics

[devout tusk]

Beast, which roller do you use

[quaint karma]

ps4

[devout tusk]

Nice

[quaint karma]

crazy how sloppy you can be and still get jade

i think even gm might be doable on controller on this scen ngl

idk i havent tried the advanced one

but master is very much possible

[unborn token]

🗣️

[silver olive]

should i use the monitor elmb for motion blur?

[unborn token]

No idea

[devout tusk]

Adv is a lot harder, the short strafes go crazy

[unborn token]

The monitor arms came

And I don't have a fucking drill

😔

[quaint karma]

drill for what

[unborn token]

The wall

[quaint karma]

[unborn token]

Its a wall mount

[quaint karma]

bees make money

[unborn token]

Need to wait till my sister rolls up w her bf

The guy has a drill

🗣️

[unborn token]

Bees make honey

Legalize tren

And swag messiah

[quaint karma]

https://tenor.com/view/sing-singing-singer-koffing-jigglypuff-gif-4712643

[unborn token]

Sensirely your griddy terminal contract

No ops in the griddy

[unborn token]

It's 24.5

Noticeableish difference from 27 curved

[dusk saddle]

thats the fun part! you can't lose what has already gone long ago.

[dusk saddle]

it's still br though

[woeful garnet]

..?

[unborn token]

What r we questioning

[raven hull]

[unborn token]

Legalize lem

[raven hull]

[unborn token]

I went to pet my cat

[raven hull]

[unborn token]

And this fucking bitch

Got jump scared

[raven hull]

Cat moment

[unborn token]

And just fisted my hands w her nails

Fucking bitch

[raven hull]

Certified cat moment

[unborn token]

She cut me everywhere now

I just bonked her with my foot

Did it again

[raven hull]

I cant imagine why she would scratch you

[unborn token]

She stupid

I just wanted to pet her

Bc she been chilling next to me for a while

And she just lost her shit

Like I was some ballistic missile entering a village in israel

[raven hull]

And that is exactly why we love cats

[raven hull]

[unborn token]

I'd honestly make her into a catchicken

[unborn token]

Accurate description bro

[mental ridge]

in a solo round played as intended 99 deaths happen in br maybe 70 at best

[mental ridge]

do u play streched or so? coz yeah i swapped from 1440p 165hz tn to 1080p 240hz ips and recently back to 1440p 360hz oled and yeah its different one is a bit more blurry but pixel counting no maybe my eyes are just too bad for that

[devout tusk]

the edge aliasing is way more obnoxious on 1080p for me

Random white pixels

[unborn token]

No I don't I used to play 1728 x 1080 p like ages ago

But I also played that equivalent and others on 1440p

Still felt weird and I just like native

I have a friend that has a 360 Hz 1080

[mental ridge]

wym ? the liney edges?

[unborn token]

Can't even get framerate

Waste of money

To get that tbh

[mental ridge]

yes nativ is king

[mental ridge]

ngl if u would het a 240hz oled 1440p it wouldn't be a waste of performance since oled doesn't need gsync etc for below refreshrate fps to have realy good motion calrity

i remember i was a bit annoyed by the liney edges on 1080p and the more blurry distance but i got over it after a while

[unborn token]

I can't even achieve

That frame rate

On 1440p

Not buying a monitor that's like 800 mininum

Maybe next year

[mental ridge]

i mean if u would achieve over 144fps consistantly on 1440p id agrue its valid to oled

[unborn token]

I also had been playing 1080 on the 1440p in game at least for

5 months close

For perf sake

[unborn token]

I do

But

Not in comp

There would be no pt

I'd be wasting money

I could get 200 fps even when nth was happening and like 140-130 in fights

But it would drop

Now imagine an end zone w 5 teams alive and everything going down

It used to fuck my perf so bad and drop to 100 and noticeably feel horrid

Reason why I switched

Once I upgrade GPU I'll go for that res and an oled

Or stick to 1080 but dk

[mental ridge]

on oled it wont be as horrible due to oleds realy good below refreshrate performance

well the older 240hz oleds get cheaper and cheaper i could get tze 240hz lg one for under 700€

i mean i dont fully use my 360hz oled im capped at 280for bhops and i never realy notice fps drops

and i do drop below 240fps for sure

[unborn token]

Yeah but

I don't play pubs

It kinda matters for me

With a 3060

Just not worth it

[mental ridge]

as if the devs gonna fugg ove dem selves

[mental ridge]

what im saying is that u will notice drops far far less making apex with drops way more playable

[devout tusk]

It already came, weve been in hell this whole time

[mental ridge]

whats your cpu

[unborn token]

5600x

[unborn token]

Still

800 for a monitor is insane

And that's not even

Here they go for like 1.1k

Cheapest oled

Screen on 240hx

Hz

[raven hull]

true but i cant get my oled to run 180 fixed on native, it loads up the game and goes to 144 shits weird

[raven hull]

yeah who would pay more than that

[unborn token]

Yeah

I'll for sure buy a monitor that costs

An entire new gaming rig

[raven hull]

[unborn token]

To have less noticeable drops💀

1.1k to 1.6k

Avg price

In Greece

For an oled

[raven hull]

just buy a 3090 and an oled

like i did

[unborn token]

Cheapest one is 800

No reason

Literally no one runs 1440p in comp

[mental ridge]

i can try helping you

[raven hull]

yeah ill probably try trouble shoot it later

i put like 3 mins into it and decided it wasnt worth my time right then

16:10 2304x1440 isnt bad anyway

[quaint karma]

you can buy a 3090 class gpu for like 550 now

their price fell off hard after new gen released

[raven hull]

ha ha ha

i paid 900

granted ive had it nearly 2 years

[quaint karma]

tbh im decently sure that inthe past

gpu generations were more like a year?

now its like 2 going on 3 years

[raven hull]

correct

[quaint karma]

and people are still like 'wow this 70 series gpu is as good as the old 90'

yeah cool

[raven hull]

its silicon issues and chip size nm changes

that cause it to take so long now

[quaint karma]

idk

lack of competition maybe

[raven hull]

that too.

[quaint karma]

might buy a 5080

well see how much it costs

[raven hull]

idm tho, you get a good few years of milage out of a gpu before a new gen comes

see it would be a pain for me to upgrade my gpu

[devout tusk]

5000 series specs are insane

[raven hull]

i have a full front and back custom block for my 3090

buying another one of those would be annoying

[quaint karma]

[raven hull]

plus i think EK went under a few weeks ago

so i literally cant

[quaint karma]

still only 16gb vram

[mental ridge]

ah ok yeah try yourself first then

[quaint karma]

my 7900xtx has 24 lol

[mental ridge]

700

[quaint karma]

240hz oleds can be had for 650 here

even lower if you go used

[devout tusk]

What you need that for even

Textures

[mental ridge]

just run it at max hz fixed thats totally fine

[quaint karma]

idk

im sure theres games

in the future which will benefit

[devout tusk]

I just want cores lol

[quaint karma]

wait wym

why dont you just have it at 240

[mental ridge]

yeah i needed to read it twice aswell

[raven hull]

superglides are easier for me on 180 and i play fixed refresh so if i get less than 240 it looks like ass because nothing stops the tares

[mental ridge]

especially with a 3090 i have a 3080 and i run 280hz most of the time

[quaint karma]

why dont you just use freesync

[mental ridge]

whats your cpu

[raven hull]

and i dont just gsync for that because fixed refresh feels significantly smoother

[raven hull]

5900x

[mental ridge]

yes

[mental ridge]

have u tried dx12?

[raven hull]

i have not

i forgot that was even a thing for apex ngl

[mental ridge]

i have significantly better performance on dx12 with my r7 7800x3d

[quaint karma]

wym

[mental ridge]

intel cpus i heard perform worse

[quaint karma]

i get 280 capped

with the same cpu

on dx11

[mental ridge]

wich gpu

[devout tusk]

Gsync rtss is smooth as fuck ur trolling if you thing fixed refresh is smoother

[raven hull]

i use rtss to track my frame timings and its a flat graph at 180 (which is what you want)

[quaint karma]

is that relevant?

you mentioned the cpu specifically

[mental ridge]

imagine using rtss in 2024

[raven hull]

im not tho, ive used gsync for years and swapping to fixed recently was a massive difference is how smooth things feel

[mental ridge]

shit feels shitty af

[devout tusk]

Weird

[raven hull]

i mean it could completely be placibo, i have no way of proving it

its just how it feels to me

[devout tusk]

Apex is unbearable to me without rtss

[quaint karma]

idk some people literally tell me they know when gsync is installed

[raven hull]

Rtss my love

[quaint karma]

i cant notice that shit

wtf am isaying

shadowplay

**

[mental ridge]

coz on my amd cpu i have better performance on dx12 than on dx11 with my gpu intel friends literally have worse performance on dx12 compared to dx11

[quaint karma]

well on my old 5900x i used to have worse performance on dx12 i think

but that was like a year ago

[mental ridge]

i hate dx11 aswell unplayable but dx12 is smooth af

[devout tusk]

I suspiciously play way better when recording shit is off but i cant consciously notice a diff

[devout tusk]

Ill try it

[mental ridge]

a year ago dx12 was worse in general

[quaint karma]

dont you need to like do some arcane incantation to get dx12?

[mental ridge]

idk when ever i try rtss it feels there is a delay compared to without

[devout tusk]

There is

[quaint karma]

whats the command for dx12 now

[devout tusk]

But its smoother

[mental ridge]

its 1 startup command

[mental ridge]

idk new google its somewhere on reddit

[quaint karma]

oh nvm, now that i think about it my game just used to crash on dx12

i dont think i ever got to test it

[raven hull]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-domain-expansion-infinite-weight-gif-22627990

[mental ridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/s/wufYZfIvHP

[devout tusk]

Casting the dx12 spell

[raven hull]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-black-hole-gif-13709550587418679820

[mortal hatch]

DX12

painge

[raven hull]

I cast DX12

[mortal hatch]

+not_focus_sleep 0 +cl_is_softened_locale 1 +cl_liveapi_enabled 1 -anticheat_settings=SettingsDX12.json

i shud be fine

i think

idk

[mental ridge]

i run my nvidia controll panel with refreshrate dictated by game and fps capped in apex, threaded optimization on, low latency ultra wich does the trick

[mortal hatch]

i run everything on max settings because im a freak

[mental ridge]

what does the live api thing do

[mortal hatch]

and because i do obs work

[mental ridge]

what does the first thing do

[mortal hatch]

exactly what it says

enables liveAPI

it's for overlays on a broadcast

[mental ridge]

what can one do with live api

[mortal hatch]

and the first thing just so frames won't drop when i alt tab

[mortal hatch]

https://apexlegendsstatus.com/tournament/

[mental ridge]

ah ok

[mortal hatch]

it's just a response of everything that happens in an apex game that you're observing in

[mental ridge]

ah ok u doing commentator stuff with it

[mortal hatch]

yes i staff for ALGS

[mental ridge]

i know

[mental ridge]

hm so u can tab out without your viewers having 30fps?

[mortal hatch]

yup!

try

it's neat

the value is set to 0 which means it's uncapped

im like at 180hz so it's not a problem for me but might be for you if you're running on 300fps or smthing lol

[mental ridge]

ill set it to 280 then

to have a consistant cap

[mortal hatch]

i can't find the twitter post where i first saw this arg

dunno if you need to enclose the fps on quotations or not

but godspeed

[raven hull]

[mortal hatch]

[raven hull]

[mortal hatch]

[raven hull]

i feel like i will run out of anime related ones before you

[mortal hatch]

i only have the tohru server for this one

[raven hull]

i need to join more servers

[mortal hatch]

i can send you where i get all of my egirl ones that i never actually use

[raven hull]

[mental ridge]

[raven hull]

PERFECT

[opaque ridge]

bruh

opening apex blue screened my pc gg

[raven hull]

I was actually just looking for this aqua one

[raven hull]

That server has so many good emotes

[mortal hatch]

hell yeah im a fucking BEAST

enjoy : )

[mental ridge]

you are him

[raven hull]

Many fanks

[sharp ice]

holy shit lomg wraimth

[twilit flicker]

nah

thats how u learn most things really

u repeat until it becomes natural and u dont think about it

[wintry cypress]

aimtraining with a bandaid on my thumb fuckin sucks

somehow getting 3050 on smoothbot advanced

[strange canyon]

Are you still on?

Yeah

Give me a few minutes

Ok

[compact oracle]

@lucid lark @strange canyon u still playing?

[strange canyon]

i'm on

kura isn't tho

[compact oracle]

wanna group up?

[strange canyon]

sure

i'm in a game rn tho

[compact oracle]

no worries

[woeful garnet]

nerf controller before i lose my sanity

[compact oracle]

+1

[mental ridge]

play r5r and type wait 60

ull never face rollers again

[severe canyon]

Or just aim duel every controller player you fight and laugh maniacally when you win 1/26 duels

[mortal hatch]

u rly gonna make him wait 1 min

evil

[wintry cypress]

What

[severe canyon]

He’s technically not wrong, if he uses that command then he won’t be fighting controller players, or any players

[wintry cypress]

Oh

I was wondering wtf wait 60 meant

[quaint karma]

well no, only if it cant match him with an mnk player

[mental ridge]

no thats for ibmm

how long he waits for mnk

[mortal hatch]

ah right right mb

theoretically speaking you can make an mnk-only 1v1 server

[devout tusk]

can you host a server on an i5 desktop

[mental ridge]

no need just put aimassist at 0.2

that will probably drive away all rollers

@mortal hatch whos the eu server host?

[devout tusk]

might see if i can set one up, i need my gpu back from my friend tho cause that cpu doesnt have integrated

[marsh sentinel]

I would love a R5 MnK only server

[twilit flicker]

people tried that before

but no one played so it died fast

[marsh sentinel]

oof

too many roller players I guess

[mental ridge]

you eu?

[devout tusk]

nah na

[ornate gorge]

cant u queue mnk only in the 1v1 server?

[twilit flicker]

ye

[main merlin]

Apex is better on dx12 now?

[devout tusk]

ok so its a lot better than it used to be but its still slightly choppy compared to rtss, but i think im finally good enough now where the lower input lag is better than perfect smoothness for me cause aiming feels so much easier

[mental ridge]

for am5 ryzen cpus and nvidia graphics cards surely

[mental ridge]

yes

[mental ridge]

u can send nvidia controll panel screenshots (3d settings ) and and screenshots of your video config and i can tell you what gives me the smoothest gameplay

[devout tusk]

i think i have things mostly correct, i spent a lot of time figuring this stuff out years ago but havent looked at it in a while. I dont really want to change my video cfg tho, i find i see things the best with these and it runs fine 90% of the time lol

[quaint karma]

yeah its where all the terrible mnk players went

mopped the floor in there with no aim assist

[mental ridge]

this obviously needs to be read only

so b4 that id recommend using bilinear and 2gb texture streaming Budget
and nvidia reflex boost
dynamic texture streaming Budget is good imo
maybe no antialiasing and no vsync obviously

[devout tusk]

all that stuff is off in game

[mortal hatch]

SONYX

[mortal hatch]

what specific make

dedi server hosting R5Reloaded is very intensive in processing power

[devout tusk]

8th gen idr number maybe 8600k

[somber quarry]

you guys meow after every elim to boost performance or is that something i just been gatekeepin?

[wintry cypress]

Nah thats just something i did last summer at my job because i was literally going insane

[mental ridge]

i blow bubbles like the handsome boba i am

[mental ridge]

are valo mains realy pushovers some dude came onto apex legends germany discord and asks for movement configs lol and after people point out he should get good instead he starts flexing he reached immo in valo lmao

[devout tusk]

this shit only happens to me i swear

luckily he was low

[mental ridge]

he didnt even hit u once lol

[strange canyon]

my vertical trackngsucks

[devout tusk]

i mean he just freezes

on the zip

at the start

i woulda lost my mind if he got away

[unborn token]

roller destroyer

[ornate gorge]

what is rtss

[honest trail]

the rivatuner statistics server program

[honest trail]

you lose frames with reflex on plus boost, unless your rig's powerful enough to have the option on ofc

[unborn token]

also other " clip "

[ocean flame]

yo what fr ?

ive always had nvidia reflex on plus boost

didnt notice diff between boost or no boost

[sharp ice]

this is diamond reactive?

[unborn token]

no

[honest trail]

yeah it typically reduces frames but it varies from pc to pc

[unborn token]

i have my old ranked remove

and i havent submited

[sharp ice]

oh

[unborn token]

in close to a year

im like

11 off gm s4

plaza

[sharp ice]

alr alr

[unborn token]

w 3 nova bots

and s3 gm

tracking

[sharp ice]

looks v nice

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i am like mega smooth

now its

mix of both

smooth reactive

i fuck w it

[sharp ice]

did u prac on r5 or in aim trainer more

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kovaaks

karma

range

i dont do r5 aim trainer

only a bit

i did it for roller

[sharp ice]

gotchu

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@sharp ice funnily enough i had diamond reactive a year ago+

it was like my first jade

as well

and then i stopped caring abt it

😭

[sharp ice]

crazy