grimoire-discussion

[fast dove]

If this server had reactions I would give you a clap emoji right now (jesters mask would look sick on legion)

[topaz linden]

omg... there's no reactions here

(there's probably a reason for that)

Monster Prom crossover would go hard too (I need a Vera Oberlin skin for one of the survivors, I care not which)

[fast dove]

Heck more nonhuman survivor options in general would be pretty nice, the closest we have are the DnD elves which are just people with sharp ears

Monster prom would be hard to pull off, could see some fun themed origional survivor cosmetics with their clothes, maybe Z’gord based dredge skin from the prank masters ending would be fun

[topaz linden]

Valerie (my wife) would be awesome, but I doubt they'd do it X3c

[fast dove]

I’d say it seems unlikely but DBD has had a cosmetic collab with fucking Balatro of all things so anything is possible I’d say, plus the monster prom series have a good history with collaborations already

[topaz linden]

The psychotic mermaid princess would be pretty easy to implement as a skin X3c

MIRANDA

[fast dove]

Her pink skin would be hard to make look natural as a survivor, but her clothes could def be added as survivor cosmetics, as well as most of the origional cast

Calculester skin for singularity could be fun as well

[topaz linden]

the main cast from Prom could be the main 4 survivors too XD Dwight as Os, Jake as Brian, Claudette as Amira, and Vicky as Meg

[fast dove]

I for one would be happy to rock out a Zoe jacket as survivor or a z’gord killer skin, poor Zoe does have an unfortunate “eater of worlds” role in a lot of time times before she transitions

[fast dove]

Oh heck yeah those would fit well

[topaz linden]

into #1 friend shipper

[fast dove]

👏

[topaz linden]

"what do you mean friendship isn't about me writing fan fics about my friends being in yuri relationships"

[fast dove]

And while we’re still on the topic of nonhuman survivor ideas, my dream chapter would be Murder Drones with Uzi Doorman and SD-N survivors, more robotish survivors would be neat, plus these characters in particular canonically have fleshy bits inside so the current mori animations would still work with them

[fast dove]

Hahahaha, she is for real for that

It’s hard going from eldrich horror to college student

[tropic willow]

Z’gord killer when

[topaz linden]

Robotic survivors would be cool; maybe start with something like Data from Star Trek

[tropic willow]

Technically high school with college age range based off it being “Monster High”

Well college + since some are over 1k years old

[fast dove]

They retconned “monster high” into being a university in the later games, to make dating the cast slightly less weird

[topaz linden]

all the characters in Monster prom are over 19

[tropic willow]

Must of missed that line.

[topaz linden]

they state it at the very beginning

[tropic willow]

But definitely a change for the better

[fast dove]

Monster Con’s my favorite entry in the series, Zoe and Liam get a fun focus with their new cast

[fast dove]

🙂‍↕️

[topaz linden]

Scott Howl as David King

[tropic willow]

Yes but in the first game they state its a high school several times

Which is what caused my confusion that they retcon’d that. Which honestly is a good change

[topaz linden]

yes, but they also hammer home that everyone is at least 19; otherwise they could not get away with the orgy ending XD

[tropic willow]

<@&480465015267262484>

[fast dove]

Why I said they retconned it in the later entries

[tropic willow]

Well obviously. Also would be extremely creepy if they werent. 💀

[fast dove]

They go slightly more serious tone wise in the third and fourth game, there are these really nice “bench conversation” sequences where chars talk about their serious hopes and dreams and stuff. Like the series itself is growing up in a hopeful way

[tropic willow]

Yea i played roadtrip and con just not as much as the first two

[topaz linden]

Kale would be a bit of a deep cut but would also be a cool include (plus plant survivor = bonus points)

[dim bear]

✅➡️ Banned ecsentially with reason scam/compromised account
(1 ban(s) on record | 2 total logs)

[tropic willow]

Most my playtime is in 2 its my fav used

[fast dove]

Yeah I can see that, these games weren’t really made to be 100%-ed

[tropic willow]

I just want some non human survivors at this point. A clone and an Elf are the closest we’ve gotten and even then theyre pretty much just human

[topaz linden]

Aaravi Mishra as a skin for Zarina 🥺

[tropic willow]

Aaravi, Zoe, Val, and Polly are my favs

[fast dove]

I like the modeus colab in that one, set a nice standard for the series going forwards. They got a “cult of the lamb” crossover in the third game too

[tropic willow]

The crappy part is tho they got rid of her in the xbox port

[topaz linden]

Polly is really fun though XD

[tropic willow]

Even if you buy all the DLCs shes not there. 😭

Shes in the switch version tho

[topaz linden]

thought you said Vera, not Val, my bad XD

[fast dove]

Yeah this is part of the reason I’ve been trying to push the idea of Murder-Drones in dbd. They’ve already Skimped out of Michael Afton as a zombie-ish survivor, hopefully they come back to him in a theoretical second fnaf chapter

[fast dove]

dang that sucks, I didn’t know

[topaz linden]

They could make Valerie a legendary skin for Meg and I would P100 Meg so fast XD

[tropic willow]

I mean theyre sisters so not too far off lol

[fast dove]

They do have similar personalities, I can see it

[topaz linden]

gotta make a token perk build to go with it too XD

[tropic willow]

Id rather they just all be set as one survivor like the bards

[topaz linden]

fair

Then we just have Os as the base skin with a bunch of legendary outfits X3c

[fast dove]

It’s easy for me to forget that Valerie and Vera are canonically sisters, pretty sure they specifically change Vera’s datable ending in Monster Con to be more platonic just in case you’re playing as Valerie (Vera’s a guest)

[tropic willow]

Makes sense

[fast dove]

Like real edge case stuff they covered here

[tropic willow]

Anyways im off back to work ill be on break in a bit just had to use the restroom and got distracted by the convo lol

[topaz linden]

Liam would also technically be the second playable vampire survivor

(Alucard being the first)

[fast dove]

Good luck and your job and stuff, you were fun to talk to!

[fast dove]

Oh yeah Alucard being playable is funny, his little fangs are cute even if you can only see them in a couple of animations

[topaz linden]

so glad they changed Liam's VA XD

[fast dove]

oh, me and my sister usually do impressions of the characters when playing these games so we don’t pay much attention to the VA’s. What’s wrong with Liam’s old VA again?

[topaz linden]

Grooms more than hair

[fast dove]

ah

I see

[topaz linden]

god, I need all the Coven as playable survivors

Joy would be the closest we'd likely get to having Verosika Mayday as a playable survivor (in voice only)

[fast dove]

Oh dang I didn’t know that they shared VA’s, that would be pretty sick!

The conven would be the type to get involved with entity realm-like stuff canonically anyways

[topaz linden]

Yeah :3 Christina Vee

I could easily see a hellaverse collaboration, but it'd likely be a cosmetic collab only

Depending on KoG's success and horror aspects we could get something on that front too 😄

[fast dove]

Eh, it would be harder to translate 2D stuff to 3D, so even though it’s pretty popular I don’t really see it fitting in dbd

[topaz linden]

plenty of figures to go off of, and a large company and fanbase; with a big enough cry for it, it could happen

[fast dove]

Like Dandy made a fanmade Alastor DBD chase theme, and even tho it got a ton of views, horror isn’t really a part of the hellaverse’s DNA, not even in like a horror/comedy way

[topaz linden]

it could even bring more people into DBD

[fast dove]

Plus I don’t really love how the hella verse falls behind a bit in writing women

[topaz linden]

I get your concerns, Loona and Millie did feel like background characters early on.

[fast dove]

Like don’t get me wrong, I binged helluva boss’s first season religiously, and have many of Hazbin’s songs from the second season on my “sing along to” playlist, so I do like the series

It just doesn’t feel as horror adjacent as you could argue that a lot of Glitch Productions stuff are

[topaz linden]

Doesn't stop Loona and Niffty from being some of my favourite media characters of recent years X3c but yeah, they get more screen presence than vocal presence

[fast dove]

Tho I would love to see some glitch productions skins in DBD, ima big supporter of that

plus they do female protagonists really well, led me to getting invested in a ton of their stuff

[topaz linden]

Like I said, I'd love to see KoG in DBD if it takes off as well as I expect

dunno what route Guin is gonna take, could be interesting to think about her as a survivor (if not at least a charm)

[fast dove]

God Guinevere’s guts being used like a leash in the pilot are so visceral, I have no idea how a 3D animation studio knocked it so out of the park first try with 2D animation but I’m not complaining

[vast plank]

Hiii

[fast dove]

A Murder Drones chapter or Digital Circus cosmetics would be a dream come true, MD pays a lot of homage’s to classic horror tropes, it’s in the series DNA (not to mention it was some really beautifully animated horror mush bits in the 8th episode)

Arguments could be made for digital circus being horror adjacent enough for DBD as well, especially after the lasts episode with Caine bring more antagonistic

[topaz linden]

Caine being the host of the next anniversary event XD

[fast dove]

Loved the torment sequences from the newest episode

[fast dove]

haha

I have no idea about Glitch’s crossover policies tho, guess we just have to hope for the best

[tropic willow]

Think its up to the creator of the series

[echo folio]

That feels very in universe for him

[tropic willow]

Since ik their series policy is that the creator can end them at any time on their own terms

“On todays adventure youre going to be hooked on you! Oh wait wrong entry in the series.. i mean youre going to all be Dead By Daylight! Good luck!” Pops out of existence - Caine

[topaz linden]

a TADC collab would probably be relegated to banners, badges, and charms though; given how inhuman the cast are right now ^^;

[echo folio]

The anniversary and the finale of The Amazing Digital Circus conveniently happen the same week

[topaz linden]

but Jax and Ragatha do have the best proportions for skins

[tropic willow]

Ill count them as my non human survivors if they do get added

[indigo abyss]

You’re talking about the what now

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEx6ZVQawAA8ftQ.webp

[topaz linden]

Jax would fit a lot better if we had Bendy and the Ink Machine in the game already

[tropic willow]

Pomni gonna get the chucky treatment

I want an Inscryption collab

[topaz linden]

XD or the Dustin Henderson treatment

[indigo abyss]

That’s grimoire discussion guys

[topaz linden]

Characters in lobby are taller than they appear

[tropic willow]

Nah hes 18 when taken so he might be the right height

[topaz linden]

but he's shorter in the lobby than the match XD

[tropic willow]

Is he?

[topaz linden]

yeah XD

[tropic willow]

I got his adept and havent touched him since tbh the last season kinda killed the show for me it wasnt as good as the other seasons

[topaz linden]

he just becomes normal male survivor height

unless they fixed it

[tropic willow]

TADC collab survivor pomni
Killer evil pomni

[celest bluff]

can evil jax be a legendary skin for pomni

[tropic willow]

No but jaxni can be

https://tenor.com/view/jax-pomni-suit-plush-jax-jax-digital-circus-funnybunny-pomni-gif-14708282394263315209

[celest bluff]

im not caught up with my tadc stuff who is jaxni

[tropic willow]

Its just a plushie they made they have one of jax in pomnis clothes and one of pomni in a jax suit

[celest bluff]

hm

neat

[tropic willow]

If jax was a survivor 100% need shy jax, freak jax and maid jax

[celest bluff]

maid jax 🤤

[tropic willow]

Maybe aussie jax

[celest bluff]

i agree with all of these

[tropic willow]

Huh just saw this posted in a different server

[echo folio]

7 gens to die

[tropic willow]

7 gens to do

I more see survivors being ported as skins to that game than other way around tbh

[celest bluff]

interesting

[echo folio]

Like with that one zombie outpost game where the main four survivors were added?

[tropic willow]

Yea or how they did with the original 7 days and added a Walking Dead dlc

[gusty cipher]

da fuq

[finite plume]

honestly good, the 7DE devs were kinda incompetent and ruining the game

[gray forge]

the outfits for IMOGEN are certainly smth.. (im buying the first skin she gets so i dont have to look at the hideous thing)

[tropic willow]

Yeah i just hate the way they did drops. Where had to watch the devs and then they like never streamed to get them

[tropic willow]

Who?

[gray forge]

imogen the new surv ofc

im not calling her aurora

[tropic willow]

Ah forgot that was one of the options

Tbh idc if the nun wins i wont use it but i wouldnt mind it. I prefer the other outfit’s head snd her default clothes over it tho. I do however hope the male bone outfit wins from this vote for killer though

[static knoll]

Anyone else having problems voting? It would let me choose either option on the questions.

[shell lynx]

why not

nun outfit deserves too win

[echo folio]

It makes me happy that for the killer they revisted older less voted for textures for the killer. One is very much the bone armor and multi hands of the head silhouette and the other option has the mask and gold metal texture while also combining the legs to the body like the statue form did.

[hot venture]

which Aurora outfit did u guys pick?

I've picked the 2nd one

[flat bison]

I picked the

[shell lynx]

the nun

the only correct option…

other ones basic and boring asff

[echo folio]

I picked the opposite of the nun outfit

[copper marlin]

hi

[tropic willow]

The statue one won though

[echo folio]

The being of light is what won

[tropic willow]

The other one was flesh and what looked like a rotten corpse

The one that won looks more like a statue imo

[echo folio]

I just can't see it. It was like choosing a statue of flesh or a golden being of light but that's my opinion

[topaz linden]

me too, despite the lack of granny feet in the game

[gaunt dawn]

(I edited out what little nudity there was of this tarot card) just getting hype

[gaunt dawn]

With the skins. One of them should be for auric cells and the other should be on a rift

We just want it all, lol. So excited

[gaunt dawn]

We also have alucard. Hes a vampire

Its not in character. But it would be cool if taurie also got a nun skin to match. I think taurie could fit so well into this chapters rift if you guys decide to do it

[echo folio]

Accidentally had the reply feature on, this just in general. I thought the chapter art would look similar to the grimoire opening art

[indigo abyss]

But grimoire is its own thing

It’ll return in the future, probably looking about the same

Grimoire is just how we shape the new chapter

[calm rain]

Huh

[fresh fossil]

What are y'all gonna do if this doesn't win

[calm rain]

Cry in a corner

[dull lodge]

Im gonnna cry if the survial skin wont win u know the red nun

[eternal vale]

boog

[trail pebble]

I hope this new killer spawns a beggar and has a chance to spawn a bomb bum, battery bum, key master, devil beggar or rotten beggar.

[tropic willow]

Crash out

[echo folio]

Still play the killer?

I want it to win but I've got a divine killer I am happy with what we're making so either way we win

[fast dove]

be happy because the religiousey skin won instead of the one thats just kinda harping on an aesthetic we already have with artist

[rancid moss]

I have faith, we got the granny through, we will get the DMC design through as well.
It will trully be our "Chorus of Sin" xP

[lavish niche]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[verbal hornet]

I honestly like the other design better.

Makes the killer feel more like a biblically accurate angel to some regard while this other one is more or less demonizing it.

[surreal isle]

Le shrug

[humble ice]

I’d be fine

Both cosmetics are cool, even if that one is better

(They should just add the one that loses to a rift or smth)

[verbal hornet]

I actually agree here. Me personally I like the other design a lot better but both designs are cool in their own respective value.

[humble ice]

Ehh, they both speak to the character, the “judgement” is a divine being that’s formless and has to create its own form to inhabit, and throughout the grimoire has been based on the narrative “elegant and terrifying”. One outfit takes on elegant and regal, the other takes on terrifying almost in an arcane cosmic way. They both are completely accurate to the narrative of the character

[humble ice]

I think they’re both great tbh

[verbal hornet]

Yeh can’t deny that whatsoever. I just love the regality design of the skin that looks more like a biblically accurate angel since it is something terrifying taking on a form close to how religion depicts it but the Terror looking skin gives its own respective share on how frightening this killer could be.

[humble ice]

Also I wouldn’t say demonizing, it gives the character an eldritch cosmic horror god feel instead of a regal pride filled elegant kind of deity

It goes from a being unknowable putting itself in a pedestal, to revealing itself to cosmic horror

[humble ice]

It doesn’t feel accurately religious , it doesn’t really match angels. It moreso matches the clothing that religious groups put on themselves

Like priests, popes, oracles, yknow, any wealthy kind of religious figure

But I agree on what your saying

[fresh fossil]

I hate when they give us choices like this because people are obviously gonna start fights over it

[verbal hornet]

As is the nature of people. If we can’t enjoy something equally we have to get mad that we don’t get what we wanted.

Dude wtf is up with all these bots

[fast dove]

god I will be sad if the robed skin doesn't get in, i love the preistly look for the exalted

hopefully we might get both, cosmetics are a lot easier thing to include as a bonus then revamped killer designs for example

[indigo abyss]

You mean for the judgement?

[fast dove]

oh god dangit, that was the winner? ive been thinking it was the exalted this entire time

[indigo abyss]

Yeah

[fast dove]

well now i feel silly

[round sierra]

the grimoire killer mid af ngl

ability boring

[tropic willow]

I agree im hoping the losing outfits become available later

[carmine kelp]

jump with joy tbh

[willow fog]

I just hope it’s not vecna 3.0

[carmine kelp]

i preferred the other one

[willow fog]

I voted for both since I got console and phone

[carmine kelp]

www

[willow fog]

But anyways take care 👋🏻

[glass rivet]

i love the robed survivor! i think that would be just such a fun concept to play with and makes her stand out against the rest of the survivors

[rare quartz]

I like the idea of having robed holy look next to Taurie Caine since you’d have like cultist next to catholic you know

[glass rivet]

omg i didnt even think about that

[calm rain]

HA! A cultist and a nun would be funny

In the same team

[calm rain]

So many people my word

[calm rain]

Sammmeeeee

[fickle scarab]

Ill be disapointed but the other one is cool too

[clever abyss]

“Demons to some, angels to others”

[echo folio]

That's how I feel about it

[dawn surge]

When do they announce the results?

[echo folio]

Voting I think ends tomorrow so maybe in 48 hours? Wednesday perhaps

[real pasture]

we all voted for style 1 right?

i was kinda wishing we'd get the giant hammer though

[fickle scarab]

wdym by style 1?

[indigo abyss]

Trickster reference

https://tenor.com/view/trickster-monsters-vs-aliens-bob-shocked-dead-by-daylight-gif-4508721557549613599

[willow fog]

I voted for both since I got multiple platforms😇

[real pasture]

the first one from left

the more white one

[fickle scarab]

youre gonna have to be a bit more specific. Do you mean one of the cosmetics for the killer? The order of the options is randomized whenever you open the page too

[real pasture]

the cosmetic

[tropic willow]

Theyre in a different order for everyone

So saying option 1 or 2 is pointless in saying which one youre talking about

[calm quartz]

When are we getting the killer from the grimoire dawg

[indigo abyss]

Late August - Early December

Around those two releases

[fresh fossil]

Your telling me I don't get it until summer ends

[echo folio]

That is sadly correct

[tropic willow]

The voting isnt even over yet my guy lol

<@&480465015267262484> should i tag you guys when theres another compromised account posting links or just the “read my bio” ones? So you guys can ban the hacked account(s) via the audit log?

Just so i can have some clarification on when to tag you guys for those types of accounts posting.

[gilded blade]

Tagging us for these is fine

[tropic willow]

Ok thank you for the clarification

[indigo abyss]

End of Summer or beginning of Winter, yes

[celest nova]

they did the chorus of sin killer so bad bruhh

ive yet to see a killer on par with myers on scare levels

[indigo abyss]

What

[celest nova]

its not scary

[indigo abyss]

What do you think makes Myers scary

[celest nova]

myers is just myers hence why he’s scary, long lunges his addons everything is scary

[indigo abyss]

That’s a non answer

[celest nova]

ion want no sunshine chasing me

[indigo abyss]

You’re not giving any reasonable criticism

[celest nova]

it is an answer 100%, no terror radius, his ability its fun and scary

[indigo abyss]

So you just like stealth killers

[celest nova]

not at all, only myers. The other stealth killers arnt scary i find them fairly boring

[indigo abyss]

So you’re just biased towards Myers then lol

[celest nova]

not at all, Ghostface just stalks and needs a regular m1. Nothing unique there. Pig is fine just annoying which i find fairly okay but besides that. What makes you think a blinding angel is scary

[indigo abyss]

You haven’t answered what makes Myers scary

[celest nova]

I have

[indigo abyss]

“It’s just Myers” doesn’t work

[celest nova]

this alongside his incredibly stupid ranged lunge, Everything about him is creepy including his cosmetics

you just havent read what i sent

[indigo abyss]

Ah yes, dash attack so scary

I’m utterly terrified

[celest nova]

it is you out of everyone shouldve seen its range and distance covered

[indigo abyss]

It’s scary gameplay wise because it’s a threatening attack that forces you to predrop every pallet

It’s not scary because it makes you scared

Scary power is something like Dredge’s teleport with nightfall or Unknown’s hallucinations

But then again that’s just arguing about subjective things

[celest nova]

unknowns halluncinations arnt scary??

the noise is annoying but aside from that its just playing in the dark. Your still able to see outlines of players and him

[indigo abyss]

When Unknown teleports to you mid dispel that’s quite scary

[celest nova]

also not really that scary. They tend to just m1 you its 50/50. To be expected both ways

[indigo abyss]

What do you even want from the devs

[celest nova]

a scary killer for once pls 🙏

[indigo abyss]

Just do stealth killers with lunge every time?

[celest nova]

i mean if it makes them scary, absolutely

[indigo abyss]

There’s only so many powers you can make

They’re already repeating themselves, why make the variety worse

[celest nova]

lost ideas wowzerss, atleast a scary design maybe? 🙏

[indigo abyss]

I don’t think Myers’s design is scary

Am I to be catered to or you are

[celest nova]

the bloody outfit or the original one is

[indigo abyss]

You assume this makes a difference to me?

[celest nova]

i mean yeah fairly, i dont think white outfit or light coloured killers are scary

[indigo abyss]

I myself find Legion’s mask to be more scary

Is it because it’s actually scary? Hell no

But it’s my personal bias

[celest nova]

howcome?

[indigo abyss]

It reminds me of Smiley movie which scared me as a kid

That’s it

[celest nova]

only thing that scared me as a kid was michael jackson thriller music video so

[surreal isle]

I know, right? What a time to be alive...

[celest nova]

frrr

[tardy stone]

Someone said in my class once they wanted the smiley killer to sit on her now that I’m older I understand 🌚😭

[indigo abyss]

Who the fuck starts a conversation like that

[surreal isle]

🤔

[lavish niche]

micheal scared you as a kid

[lavish niche]

https://tenor.com/view/whothefuckstartsaconversation-gif-22983824

[celest nova]

when hes a zombie and that werewolf hell yeah that scared me

[eternal wren]

Vote sister aurora

[tropic willow]

Wdym they? Its literally what the community wanted since its what they voted for.

Also the game would suck if it was only stealth killers. Spine chill would become a mandatory perk

[tropic willow]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-square-pants-i-dont-really-feel-like-it-sleeping-sleep-no-thanks-gif-5384362

[celest nova]

not what i meant, i wouldny like it if it was only stealth killers. But we need scary killers and a lot of killers require a stealth option to actually be scary

[echo folio]

https://giphy.com/gifs/coffee-get-body-y0DI4w3LGA12w

I voted the other option already

[indigo abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/we-who's-'we'-there-is-no-'we'-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-11309058542407564718

[gaunt dawn]

We really should get all the skin options because why not. We are willing to pay for them

[indigo abyss]

Because skins take time to make

They have a few dozen skins in the work simultaneously

And this stuff is planned out on months ahead

[fickle scarab]

given how incredibly detailed these designs are the models are probably gonna take a lot of work

[indigo abyss]

It took like 3 months to add Claudette’s missing headpiece

[fickle scarab]

Not really what I meant

I meant how detailed the models are.

Like I'm pretty sure I recall the Yellow Rabbit cosmetic being done by one singular person, and them talking about it on twitter. Imagine doing those crazy models for Judgement by yourself

Serious talent and likely time.

[tropic willow]

Doesnt mean we cant get them later down the line though and i hope we do

[tropic willow]

Think that was more an OCD/nitpick thing since they said they werent happy with it at launch.

Speaking of did they ever give us those heads?

[fickle scarab]

wdym

[tropic willow]

To which part

[fickle scarab]

wdym by heads

[tropic willow]

The claudette heads from last rift

I dont play her and never saw a pop up for them so i was asking if we ever got them

[gaunt dawn]

Im patient

[royal knot]

Would The Judgement be considered the Arachnophobia Killer that we've been weirdly and seemingly lacking

[indigo abyss]

Not really

Vaguely spider shaped legs is not something that usually triggers arachnophobia

Look at the entity claws, they’re very spider like and even they don’t cause any problems

[royal knot]

Why hasn't there ever been someone who would cause Arachnophobia
It's a horror game after all
And as far I know of, the only thing that could really cause it to happen is like 2 spiders you see on Dvarka Deepwood Realm

[fickle scarab]

Theres a Hag cosmetic that is spider themed lol

The entity is also spider themed, and there is a tome centered around giant spider monsters

[indigo abyss]

Why hasn’t there been [insert unexplored genre]?

Because it’s one of those genres which haven’t been explored yet

[fickle scarab]

Wasnt in stated in an AMA or something that they did want to add a spider themed killer because the entity is already spider themed or something

[indigo abyss]

Idk but I remember Mathieu directly stating they wouldn’t refuse a spider killer because of arachnophobia issues

It’s more about other difficulties

Wasn’t that long ago too

[fickle scarab]

Anyway the design for judgement that lost was more explicitly spider themed. 8 wings, covered in thread, more explicit spicer legs

[indigo abyss]

What?

Oh you mean the base look

[fickle scarab]

Yeah

[indigo abyss]

Mhm, the design we’ll get doesn’t even have spider “legs”, they’re more just big claws

[fickle scarab]

These look more like legs

Also I just realized this design has eyes covering the appendages

[indigo abyss]

Wait a second

I was about to note how apparently they did make the base design more androgynous based on the key art concepts

But also look at this

[fickle scarab]

These cosmetics are far more adrogenous

[indigo abyss]

The legs have joints now

[fickle scarab]

Than the base design

[fickle scarab]

huh

[indigo abyss]

I should’ve put them in a different order

[fickle scarab]

Well it is a concept art. Doesn't have to be 1-1

[indigo abyss]

The third design wouldn’t look good if there were no joints

[fickle scarab]

I have to wonder

Aspects of these cosmetic options feel like responses to feedback

Like how theyre more androgenous and how they limbs are more clearly attatched

Theres also all the eyeballs on one of them that people wished was more apparent

[indigo abyss]

Wait which one

[midnight summit]

Lesgoooo. I upgraded my longest chase time from 59 seconds to 1 min 16 seconds!

[indigo abyss]

I mean the base design also has eyes

[fickle scarab]

True

[indigo abyss]

Okay comparing these two side by side:
New one looks more androgynous, the head looks different and its claws have joints instead of just floating around it

[bright sparrow]

I really do hope they change the way sin is applied before our first ptb for this

would just be sad to have another apply effect on power hit before being able to damage with power killer when it could be something so much more unique.

[bright sparrow]

I personally like the first one

[indigo abyss]

You’re entitled to have your opinion

[bright sparrow]

I know? lmao

[fickle scarab]

They were just stating which one they liked

[indigo abyss]

Eh, fairnuf

My bad

I just prefer my angels breastless

[bright sparrow]

I was talking about the key art concept

This

[indigo abyss]

Oh

[fickle scarab]

Something I think is a really cool detail on both cosmetic designs which I assume has gone over most people's heads is the color of the robes

[indigo abyss]

Scott my guy I assumed you were replying to this message

I shouldn’t have😔

[bright sparrow]

You’re all good lol

after you mentioned breastless I was like oh they thought I meant the actual design of the killer lmao

[fickle scarab]

Purple robes in Christianity (or at least Catholicism) are used by priests during advent and lent. It harkens back to medieval times wear purple fabric was a sign of royalty and luxury, Churches use the color basically signifying the coming of the king (Jesus) and the servitude you give up for his coming.

Red and White are associated with martyrs and purity respectively. Red is particularly used during days celebrating martyrdom and white for days of cleansing and coming light.

The purple cosmetic is far more foreboding and has themes of people reaching out to it while in pain

Like a ruler

The red and white one is covered in blood and has a sense of purity and endurance

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[indigo abyss]

Bro

[fickle scarab]

holy shit thats a combo

[torpid shard]

Indeed

[indigo abyss]

Okay the more I’m looking at it the more convinced I become

Like look at this bro

Tell me it’s just a rough sketch and not a deliberate change in design

[royal knot]

Pretty sure they said that they might make them look more like both genders

[indigo abyss]

They did

[royal knot]

Why do they even try to put server invites

They just get shut down by auto mod immediately

[calm rain]

IDK it keeps happening

Why are there so many people

[indigo abyss]

So that people click on the links and get their account taken over and turned into another bot

[fickle scarab]

Its a fishing scheme

Its honestly mindblowing people fall for this

[lavish niche]

i like the right one more, being a killer jst feels like they need a sharper face, the left one just is too kind for a killer yknow

[quartz urchin]

https://klipy.com/gifs/me-when-i-get-you-knight

[gaunt dawn]

Bots dont care. It has nothing to do with logic and purely to do with size of the server

[gaunt dawn]

Another reason Im such a fan of the Volto Blanco Venetian masks. They are so incredibly gender neutral

You can't really tell one way or another what gender this mask is supposed to be

Its uncanny

[calm rain]

Hmmmmm the gender is gender

[gaunt dawn]

The gender is...Human(?)

[calm rain]

Na gender is YES

[gaunt dawn]

I also really like Ayami Kojima's androgynous designs

One of the best pieces shes made here

[calm rain]

Hmm… potential skin alert

[gaunt dawn]

She's the artist for castlevania btw

I adore this design

[calm rain]

Pog

[gaunt dawn]

The beautiful thing is that although its masculine leaning it could easily be either fem-male or masc-female

[calm rain]

Can’t spell female without male

[gaunt dawn]

The character covers just enough to make you question it

The broad chest makes you think male though

[calm rain]

Not even femboy territory

[gaunt dawn]

Ive seen natural women look that way

It depends if they do heavy exercises for their pectorals

Knowing ayami this character is probably male though. Since she loves bishonen

She would do an amazing job making concepts for dbd if they ever decided to rent her talent

Not to downplay the absolutely amazing artists currently at bhvr

[calm rain]

lol

[gaunt dawn]

Finding the right chest size is going to be difficult with a gender neutral character though. Probably the toughest part of its design

He would have to have soft pectorals or she would have to have small breasts to pull off the look

Anime example but a good one is Rika from pokemon scvi

[calm rain]

… I can’t tell if there a female or not

[gaunt dawn]

Or famously Tilda Swinton

Constantine

[gaunt dawn]

I used to have a crush on her when I was younger

And to an extent gwendoline Christie

I mean as an androgynous leaning woman. Not as in having a crush when I was younger..... I mean. I also had a crush on Christie too but I was also much older

She played as Satan in sandman from Netflix. Highly reccomended btw

[echo folio]

Perhaps they want a more ambiguous killer like Desire from sandman

[jolly snow]

i hope u mean the comic

[echo folio]

The comics are absolutely that case. But anyways I just hope we get just a hint of where the Judgment came from originally since its been destroying multiple worlds it isn't native to The same universe as Aurora

[modern light]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gandalf-golden-retriever-cute-wise-gif-575727108947548384

[gaunt dawn]

The only thing I dont like from desire in terms of androgyny is the voice

[fickle scarab]

Rika is a girl

Shes just extremely flat

[tropic willow]

Tf is bishoven

[gaunt dawn]

Bishonen means "pretty boy"

[tropic willow]

Ah

[echo folio]

How do you enjoy the unknown layering two voices into one on the default skin

[dull lodge]

Does annybody know what actully won as cosmetics

[echo folio]

I do not know when they'll announce the winners but it seems the next rift was teased today

[jade palm]

so tomorrow?

[placid sage]

Anyone know when it'll be released you think?

[indigo abyss]

The grimoire chapter?

[placid sage]

Yea cuz i think the cosmetic was the final part and the voting just ended today for that chapter of the grimoire, I think it would be either the next one in 2 weeks or the one after that in 3 months

[indigo abyss]

The voting won’t be over until May

[placid sage]

I dont think their gonna do it mid chapter

[indigo abyss]

We know it’s not an anniversary chapter

So it’s either August/September release or November/December release

[placid sage]

Oh alright

That's cool

Good to know

Have they said anything for the chapter release at the end of this month

[indigo abyss]

There isn’t one

We literally just had ptb last week

[placid sage]

I thought it was every rift pass had one release?

Maybe I was mistaken

[indigo abyss]

No, it’s the opposite actually. Rifts are for midchapter updates

But due to delays some things were changed

Which is why ST chapter came out alongside new rift

And in general, they wouldn’t put out new content without ptb, it’s just way too important to gather feedback and push in bugfixes

[placid sage]

Cuz I was told it was every 3 months and then the stranger thing r3leased with a rift pass for 3 months and I had gotten it wrong

[indigo abyss]

Yeah it is every 3 months

Rift scheduling hasn’t changed, only when new chapters were being released

[placid sage]

Do you know when the ptb will be released to live for the killer changes and diminishing returns?

[indigo abyss]

28th

It’s always 3 weeks after ptb

Give or take a day or two

[placid sage]

Thanks for the info!🤙

[gaunt dawn]

Different kind of creepy but very fitting for unknown. For Judgment I expect something more beautiful. Like a requiem chorus

[indigo abyss]

I mean Unknown doesn’t layer its voices equally

It’s explicitly feminine or masculine depending on the outfit

So an actual harmonic layering of 2 voices would work for Judgement

[finite plume]

we haven't gotten any date for the Angel's release right

[indigo abyss]

2026, post-anniversary chapter

That’s our time frame

[finite plume]

So probably into September

[indigo abyss]

Either around that time or around November/December

My bets are on September though

Sir, this is #grimoire-discussion

[calm rain]

Did sombody call?

[indigo abyss]

No?

[calm rain]

Well somebody @ me

[gaunt dawn]

I think September is a safe bet. Give or take a week or 2 on either direction

[calm rain]

Hmm

[tropic willow]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-memes-omori-wendy's-sir-this-is-a-wendy’s-mcdonalds-gif-10606255422517932247

[calm rain]

So— I have a interesting idle animation- dowsing have to be this killer but just a fun idea

What if the killer rushes at the player trying to break the fourth wall but the entity holds theme back to the same spot

Physically. Holds theme back

[tropic willow]

Make it so it looks like this killer is trying to reach out at the player kinda like how the unknown tries to scare you

[gaunt dawn]

Fun concept. Like a half second of the Judgment being completely alert to the irl player and avout to make a sudden move but a sungular long entity talon comes out to hold it on the shoulder from behind and below it. It looks at the talon and back and the viewer. Begrudgingly waiting. As if the entity were to say "not yet, one day, be patient"

The Judgment turns back to watch the survivors

Maybe during the full frontal killer view its eyes can glow with intensity like it REALLY REALLY wants to pursue but its keeping its composure under intense breaths

[indigo abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-keep-cooking-brother-keep-cooking-brother-cook-brother-gif-18190471689398089969

[gaunt dawn]

I cant contain my excitement. I must know what options won

[calm rain]

:D

[calm rain]

Love it!

[echo folio]

I am too nervous to call a winner on the survivor and killer side I really don't know what might have won

[gaunt dawn]

Living up to your username

[indigo abyss]

https://fixupx.com/deadbydaylight/status/2044430821335904259?s=46&t=Gm_gXVXQ6r6kkw0jm6T1Dg

Dead by Daylight (@DeadbyDaylight)

The results are in! 👁️ Thank you all for voting during Phase 2, Verse 6 of The Grimoire. 👇

**💬 14 🔁 9 ❤️ 97 👁️ 704 **

FixupX · Apr 15, 2026, 3:01 PM

[hoary crater]

Literally the opposite of my choices XD But I still like the killer skin so whatever.

[echo folio]

I am happy the chapter art I liked most won

As for the cosmetics congratulations! Hope these are beautiful when the chapter releases

[jade palm]

welp, hope you guys are happy making Aurora a nun. now Aurora's backstory is going to be that she is a beliver and follower of the Judgement. you guys are happy?

[echo folio]

The cosmetic I doubt will alter the backstory. Aurora is a spiritual scientist

[indigo abyss]

Also the outfit being inspired by catholic nuns doesn’t mean she is one lol

“Why is there a religion inspired attire in my religion inspired chapter?”

[jade palm]

they said so in the stream. they said that while the backstories is constantly evolving and changing, votes does give them direction of where they take the backstory.

[fossil arch]

im curious to see what happens

[jade palm]

I am just hoping Aurora doesn't become Taurie 2.0

[indigo abyss]

True but a skin doesn’t indicate it actually happened

Again, religion inspired attire for a religion inspired chapter

And you can’t blame people for voting for that

[echo folio]

It's also an additional cosmetic not the default

[indigo abyss]

Yeah exactly

[celest bluff]

man
i hope we still have oprotunities to get skins like the one that lost now and were not stuck with skins like the one that won

[indigo abyss]

But even if she turns out to be a follower of sorts, that wouldn’t be the first time we’d be given a hint of that cause I mean look at that

She could be the one who summoned it, regretted it and is now trying to fix things up

[echo folio]

Still like the theory that Aurora is the one that summoned the Judgment without knowing the outcome

[indigo abyss]

That’s unlike Taurie

Who’s still a devotee

Despite everything

[jade palm]

okay, can see some points in that, I can even see her second attempt to seal the judgement being the cause of summoning the Entity, consuming their world and taking her and Judgement in the trials.

[indigo abyss]

That’s actually top tier idea what

[echo folio]

That'd be like the unknown's backstory where Olivia (a investigator) thought about how something like the entity and unknown meeting would go moments before the entity snatched the unknown in a struggle. Aurora could be the reason the judgment was the first of the two into the fog like older verses said

[jade palm]

just remember guys... the sandals stays...

[indigo abyss]

Next voting is in 8 days, can’t wait

[jade palm]

damn, not that long

[echo folio]

We are never beating the feet allegations

[indigo abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/we-who's-'we'-there-is-no-'we'-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-11309058542407564718

[jade palm]

and we can blame the people who voted for the nun for that

[indigo abyss]

I hadn’t even noticed them before someone on discord pointed it out to me

[echo folio]

I won't blame them I just know I voted for what failed

[jade palm]

remind me, what's next in the voting, it's perk icons and add-ons, right?

[indigo abyss]

Yeah supposedly just icons

They can still move things around or even add something new

[echo folio]

I assume they'll focus on icons and maybe give us Two or so options on the theme for the add-ons because there is no way I can us voting on 20 icons for that alone

I don't see it but it's possible

[jade palm]

yeah, have a feeling they're going to do a theme of items, maybe 2-3 images that has a bunch of items and we have to vote for one. we might even vote for what the relics and shrines look like.

but for the voices and music, I can see that being its own thing, curious to hear what the voices would be. but that will be for another day, for now, will focus on the icons and add-ons

so I think it would be 8 votings in total, 1 for killer power, 1 for add ons and 6 for perk icons

[vague crater]

I genuinely dont believe it because of last time
but im happy with any of the choices

[sage ermine]

This player base have zero taste

I swear it have to be the survivor mains grouping up and giving the killer the worst options

[indigo abyss]

They’re both good outfits

[vague crater]

they were both good outfits

[sage ermine]

Not the killer skin that won

[vague crater]

it fits the divine idea more

[sage ermine]

It’s literally garbage

[sage ermine]

It’s obviously a skin

[vague crater]

which is what the vast majority of people want
stereotypical angel
its ornate, gold and white
those are like
three of the most prominant things in fan designs of the killer

[vague crater]

WOAH NO WAY
i didnt say it wasnt

im saying that it probably won because people voted for the one that fits a more stereotypical angel
since the base design isnt that close to one

also im pretty sure its faceless

which was another big thing that people wanted for the killer

ehh it kind of has a face

[indigo abyss]

Also it’s straight up childish to react this way

[vague crater]

they are both amazing alternate designs to the base cosmetic for the killer

one is ornate and more fancy
the other is more stone looking and scary

the fancy one won

i personally like the gold ornate one more

because it feels more like a being trying to take the form of a human while not fully understanding it

the other one for me personally is not that cohesive
its just a lot of hands and some scary faces but then also having chains and two different sets of wings

the head is definitely more interesting but past that it sort of falls apart for me

[quasi dragon]

the right looks so much better it fits thr gane more and its more gnarly and gruesome looking

[fresh fossil]

Wym the fancy one won

[calm rain]

Awww shit

[fresh fossil]

This is rigged this def should've won

[sage ermine]

This community have zero taste

They only vote for plain stuff or things that remotely look female

[indigo abyss]

It would be appreciated if you stayed respectful

[wanton grove]

how did those skins win

how did judgement red recolor win instead of the one that varies from the base skin (you know, what a skin should do)

[nocturne nova]

im still hurt with the eye killer design not being chosen 💔

[gaunt dawn]

Everything I wanted. That being said. I hope bhvr gives us that other skin at some point because it was badass

[fresh fossil]

They usually add 2 legendary skins so we gotta see if another legendary can please the people who lost

[gaunt dawn]

Both killer skins were incredibly good

[fresh fossil]

IT SHOULD'VE BEEN THE RIGHT ONE

[wanton grove]

this is the first time nothing i voted for won

not even the keyart, how did that boring ass keyart win

[fresh fossil]

You don't like the nun skin?

[wanton grove]

its ok i just liked the other one better

[gaunt dawn]

So far 90% of what I pick wins.

[fresh fossil]

We need a funeral this is tragic

[gaunt dawn]

I think they should still add it

[fresh fossil]

They won't unless the community is loud

[gaunt dawn]

There is no reason all the survivor skin options and these 2 killer skins options can't work

Even if its not right away

[wanton grove]

it dissapointed me so much that this one didnt win

[fresh fossil]

I'm so angry I might not get the skin that one out of spite

[gaunt dawn]

I wonder how we will be able to mix and match pieces.

[sage ermine]

Wrong chat

[jade palm]

I'm sure this cosmetic will be rested right next to Sable 2.0

[gaunt dawn]

Ultimately. Original killers get skins all the time. Unless you are like.... twins

Or skull merchant

[vague crater]

skull merchant gets a lot of skins

she had 3 last year alone im pretty sure

maybe 4

[gaunt dawn]

Im hoping cosmetically that the head is linked to the upper body, the wings are attached to the lower body and the legs are their own seperate cosmetic feature

[vague crater]

well it has its weapon too

which im surprised we didnt see in the concepts tbh

[indigo abyss]

It’s head-body-weapon, regular stuff

[vague crater]

i assume it will be split up like
upper body with head, torso and wings
lower body with spiky legs
weapon

which is a bit sad cause those always make outfit combos harder

like houndmaster

[gaunt dawn]

They should make it so killers get another cosmetic slot

Only issue is that they'd have to redo every single cosmetic in the game

[vague crater]

yeah

[gaunt dawn]

I want that head but I want the glowing wings

The legs would obviously have to be their own seperate piece no doubt

[vague crater]

im honestly kind of happy this one didnt win
the main draw to it was the head but looking at the full thing its not that good comparitively

its not really like
a single design

[gaunt dawn]

Its good its just....more akin to the lich

[vague crater]

it looks like a lot of things mashed together just with the same colour scheme

the hands are the only cohesive thing
but even then thats not the main thing

like the two sets of wings are different, the huge heads are odd and unlike anything else on the design, the chains only on some parts of it

at least on the other ornate one the masks on its legs match its own mask

[gaunt dawn]

I think it works really well. Ultimately I wanted the porcelain face one but I voted for the other for the sake of the fans that want more visceralness

[vague crater]

also the random red under the leg heads full of eyes is just there for no reason

it looks like two comsetics fused together

like theres the lower wings which look like stretched and distorted hands
which fits the whole hand theme

but then theres the chains and red flesh parts with the upper wings

[gaunt dawn]

In a just world we will get all of these cosmetic options eventually

[vague crater]

its just too much on one cosmetic imo
the head was definitely more interesting but overall the other cosmetic interested me more
and will probably be easier to match with other pieces of the base cosmetic since its also gold

[gaunt dawn]

No reason not to especially in this killer ends up popular

[vague crater]

hopefully
id still love to use that ones head on a different outfit

[wanton grove]

its so strange to me that they did a cosmetic vote

what holds them back from just adding both

[indigo abyss]

Time constraints

Dbd is a giant pipeline, they might have dozens other cosmetics in the work

It took them what, 3 months to fix Claudette’s single headpiece?

[wanton grove]

yeah but like i dont think this should've been a vote

skins arent as important as perks, character, etc. they couldve added one and eventually add the other one (though i think they might do this)

[indigo abyss]

They’re still a part of the release

[eternal wren]

I won😭😭😭🧎‍♂️🧎‍♂️🧎‍♂️

Im very sorry for all the other people that voted for the other angel skin

[echo folio]

Thank you and I'm happy for you. The art team outdid themselves

[eternal wren]

I hope we still get the other version later. It would be such a shame for it to go to waste i voted this one because its so pretty and I really wanted this killer to feel ethereal but I really hope well get more interpretations of this very cool killer.

[grave salmon]

HOW DID THEY BOTH WIN BY 8% 😭

[indigo abyss]

Nun outfit was a clear winner idk

[grave salmon]

Yeah but the killer skin winning is a huge shock tbh. Especially by such a large margin like 8%

[lavish niche]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-10576833416044093400

[grave salmon]

We lost peak 💔

[eternal wren]

Real

[grave salmon]

I'm not the biggest fan on the nun outfit tbh. Maybe its just the red color.

[lavish niche]

yeah i mean, both of the surv outfits were cool but WHY did that win for killer

[eternal wren]

The nun outfit is the only thing that makes me want to play her

[grave salmon]

I'm less sad about the survivor and more about the killer skin 💔

Still have no idea how it lost by such a large margin

[dusk gull]

Yeah, it's honestly such a cool design. I really hope it gets added down the line in spite of losing this vote.

[lavish niche]

yeah i really do as well

[grave salmon]

They BETTER add it later. Dont waste such a peak design.

[azure token]

This just looks so good…
Genuinely losing hope in this community (funny I say that like I already haven’t).

He looks like Samuel Hayden from Doom!

[royal knot]

🤚 teacher,
I have a question

Why can't they do both 🥺

[eternal wren]

Because our school hates us

[vague crater]

probably cause again
the vast majority of people voting "divine" at the start wanted an actual angel
they would vote for the one who gets them the closest to an actual angel

its the same reason the first silhouette and the gold and white colour scheme won

its cause people want a stereotypical angel

ive also seen a lot of people saying "oh but its a cosmetic it doesnt need to fit the theme" which

im ngl
is kinda a stupid take

most of the killers launch cosmetics that we have had have expanded on their already existing theme or character
post launch skins (at least for killers especially) are the ones that usually explore more unique themes and move further away from their base idea
krasue for example, her launch skins were all her in different thai clothing, but her first post launch skin was a frozen corpse

houndmasters post launch skins moved her closer to a pirate for the first "two" (including her masquerade mask) cause people wanted actual pirate stuff when she didnt have any

once we had that we got her in bdsm gear or whatever

also like i went over earlier
the design overall just isnt that cohesive

[grave salmon]

Option that lost didnt strike me as "Less divine" imo. Its basically 2 different kinds of angels

[vague crater]

well yeah but if you were to ask the vast majority of people to draw an angel the first thing that would come to mind is a stereotypical one
which is what most people wanted clearly

theres more than one type of angel but that doesnt mean one isnt vastly more well known than the other

[grave salmon]

Yeah true. I do think either is better than the default tbh

[vague crater]

imo
it should be the default

it fits the actual base theme of the killer more

[indigo abyss]

Time constraints

[vague crater]

and then have the other option as the launch skin

[grave salmon]

I prefer the more physical wings to the big blue energy wings

[vague crater]

this fits "beautiful yet terrifying" more to me than the base design does

[indigo abyss]

They are physical, just glowy

[grave salmon]

Yeah true.

[vague crater]

cause it is beautiful
but then as you look closer at it it gets more terrifying

which is what it should of been
the base design is just a monster design with a pretty face slapped onto it

like the base design is a clear split between beautiful AND terrifying

[indigo abyss]

Btw Avery were you here when when I was rambling about key art potentially showing updated killer design

[vague crater]

yeah but i dont think its right
i think they just didnt want to put the effort in of drawing the details

[indigo abyss]

The hair looks entirely different

[grave salmon]

This one feels kind of like a "warrior" angel to me. One that's sent into battle for the sole purpose of purging sinners. Best thing would be to get BOTH skins. So they BETTER ADD THIS ONE LATER ON

[indigo abyss]

Not more simplistic, just different

[grave salmon]

<@&480465015267262484>

[dim bear]

✅➡️ Banned lovelyvoidkitten with reason scams/bot
(1 ban(s) on record | 2 total logs)

[vague crater]

if anything get changed i just hope that its not changing the entire design

[gilded blade]

[indigo abyss]

I mean obviously they wouldn’t do that

[vague crater]

like I want to keep the vaugely feminine silhouete

cause angels (if you were to split them into one or the other) are more feminine than masculine

[indigo abyss]

As long as they remove the breasts

[vague crater]

but thats more just cause i dont trust bhvr with making an actual androgynous design that is still humanoid

cause i feel like they will just make it look like a twink

[indigo abyss]

Will you mention any drawbacks

[grave salmon]

Honestly part of the reason i love the design that lost is BECAUSE it looks so inhuman

[vague crater]

I just wish we knew what part they were focusing on

[grave salmon]

It FEELS divine imo

[indigo abyss]

It looks more cosmic than divine

[vague crater]

are they focusing on the idea that its like taking the form of a human to try lure them into a false sense of security
is it meant to be something that has existed longer than humans and just takes a similar form
was it once a human itself

I need the details to know what i want the design to look like

[indigo abyss]

Don’t get me wrong it’s still top tier and I myself voted for it but I can’t call it a “being of divine purity” or whatever the killer was described originally

[grave salmon]

I feel like the default feels like that more.

[vague crater]

it should of looked like
hold on let me find it

[indigo abyss]

Nah default is a pretty obvious angelic killer who seems to be corrupted by something

[vague crater]

should of been like these for the top half fr

[indigo abyss]

So…Like this?

[vague crater]

no

androgynous through featurelessness
nothing for humans to relate it to
its beautiful in nature but terrifying because its human shaped yet lacks any meaningful features of one

like the inverse of uncanny valley that the distorted faces would give

[indigo abyss]

You know what, after hearing this

I’d probably just make a twink

[grave salmon]

Imo its basically 2 different kinds of "Divine". One is more divine in an elegant sense while the other is more divine justice.

[finite plume]

I wonder how this will be translated into the actual game

[grave salmon]

<@&480465015267262484>

[vague crater]

like imagine you are a survivor of an apocalypse
and you think you see the silhouette of an angel
hoping to see a pleasant face and hear kind words
and its just an empty blank mask with nothing to say beyond sending you to an ether where you repent for your sins

[grave salmon]

[vague crater]

i would of much preferred it to be faceless
which is why i like the skin concept so much

[finite plume]

It'll be interesting to read their lore ngl, an Angel is one of the more esoteric killer designs

[grave salmon]

Trueeeee

[finite plume]

What 'corrupted' them, were they a false prophet, tortured etc.

[vague crater]

if the face is mostly featureless like in the concept ill 100% be buying it

[dim bear]

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[vague crater]

GOOD LORD ITS AN INFESTATION
why are there so many

[grave salmon]

Bro these bots 💔

[indigo abyss]

My favourite rendition of the og silhouette was this artwork

[gilded blade]

[vague crater]

i feel like that works more in like
fear and hunger

[indigo abyss]

Minus the colour scheme being over the place

[grave salmon]

Theres one further above as well

[finite plume]

If the killer is actually good I may main them since the power and design seem good

[vague crater]

its a really cool design
but i dont see it being translated well into dbd

[gilded blade]

Not that I can see

[finite plume]

But if they get mollywopped by nerfs I will be angy

[grave salmon]

Yeah it was just deleted as soon as i mentioned it 💀

[indigo abyss]

When was the last time this happened

[vague crater]

if they are 4.4 i will be prospering
hag training will come in clutch

[grave salmon]

Krasue

[indigo abyss]

Okay but that was totally deserved lol

And she’s still like A tier

[finite plume]

That is like a very subjective area because I can say a killer and you can just say 'they raised the skill ceiling, get good' so i will not answer

Yeah

[grave salmon]

I legit never see anyone play Krasue 💔

[finite plume]

Death laser and exiling people seems fire though

[indigo abyss]

It’s not even about the skill floor, celling, wall or whatever, release Krasue was just blatantly overpowered

Literally rivalling Nurse overpowered

[finite plume]

I mean its just threading the needle that's the issue, balancing a killer requires knowing a good baseline that doesn't put the shoe on the other foot and make them underpowered

[grave salmon]

True. Its still the last time a killer was majorly nerfed on release

[indigo abyss]

Let’s ask a better question

How often are killers unjustly nerfed

[finite plume]

Krasue

[indigo abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-dumb-gif-25562572

[finite plume]

They overnerfed her

[indigo abyss]

I just love this gif sorry

[royal knot]

Will they make it later, at least

[indigo abyss]

Probably

[finite plume]

Leech resetting on hook states removes a lot of map pressure and she is a lot more janky to play

Its the whole thing of killer balancing treading water with greasy hyper-competitive survivor squads

[royal knot]

[grave salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/samsquanch-get-out-get-away-go-away-git-gif-18037864619875618930

[indigo abyss]

Doesn’t make the nerfs any less justified

[finite plume]

A nerf that does too much is not justified

If a killer goes from being overpowered and played a lot to clunky and barely played that is not a sign it was balanced

[indigo abyss]

But it didn’t, sure she’s a bit clunky but she’s still very strong

She’s just designed quite badly in the first place

[grave salmon]

Is she really that strong right now? Genuinely asking

[indigo abyss]

At least low A tier, most definitely

[finite plume]

• Head Form vaulting is slow as fuck, no pallet breaking
• Missed cooldown was increased and no ability to contest dropped pallets effectively
• Three hits for infection
• The constant transformation required to chase survivors and the slowdown penalties makes her feel janky

[indigo abyss]

Missed cooldown?

[finite plume]

For head attack

[indigo abyss]

Did they change that? Pretty sure it’s the same as ptb

[finite plume]

They changed it

To prevent insta-downing via changing forms

[indigo abyss]

What

Wait are you talking about regurgitating cooldown?

Because there isn’t anything about whip’s cooldown in the patch notes

[finite plume]

Leeched is now completely removed from Survivors when they are hooked.
Increased Corporeal Weave time to Head Form to 1.2 seconds (was 1).
Increased Intestinal Whip wind-up to 0.3 seconds (was 0.2).
Decreased Intestinal Whip collision's length to 0.32 seconds (was 0.35).
Increased Regurgitate thrown cooldown duration to 1.3 seconds (was 1).
Increased Regurgitate cancelled cooldown duration to 1.3 seconds (was 0.1).

this shit

[indigo abyss]

So

Regurgitate cooldown?

[finite plume]

I meant wind-up :)

[indigo abyss]

Ah

Well this just goes to show how stupid she was on release

[finite plume]

Anyway

Angel seems good

[indigo abyss]

That even despite all this she still has little to no counterplay in chase

[finite plume]

Do we have any details on what their M1 is gonna be

[indigo abyss]

The staff

[finite plume]

Oh yeah

Forgot about that element of the grimoire

[grave salmon]

Its weird none of the cosmetics show the staff. What do y'all think it'll look like?

[indigo abyss]

Yeah it is a bit weird

I just hope they don’t shove faces in those too

[finite plume]

Which cosmetic do you think is best

[indigo abyss]

I’ve already said I voted for the first one

[grave salmon]

One on the left imo

[indigo abyss]

But I can’t say which one’s the best

[grave salmon]

They are both good but i REALLLY love the first one

[indigo abyss]

Also them being so good looking makes me hopeful that all of Judgement’s skins will be around the same level

[finite plume]

Evidently I didn’t see that

[indigo abyss]

I don’t know how you can make a boring skin for such a character

[finite plume]

I like the one on the right ngl the robes and marbled look sells it for me

[grave salmon]

Trueeee. I wonder if they do release the loser skin how long it'll take

[indigo abyss]

Maybe they could put it in a rift

I miss this one..

[grave salmon]

Definitely a possible skin. Fits the same kind of design as the default

[indigo abyss]

Well yeah it was the only other contender for default

[finite plume]

Crab legs

[grave salmon]

One thing i love is that both skins are so DIFFERENT.

I know People say the skin that won is too close to default but it really isnt.

[indigo abyss]

The head on the default here is so stupid that’s my main concern

[grave salmon]

True lmao

[indigo abyss]

I hope they go with this

[grave salmon]

The skin choices show just how much creative potential there is though.

[indigo abyss]

+breast removal surgery

[grave salmon]

Top surgery

[indigo abyss]

I’ll repeat myself but these just look like different designs all together

[grave salmon]

One thing i find funny is the plain white floor vs the GIANT LOOMING SHADOW

[indigo abyss]

I never even noticed lol

[grave salmon]

Perhaps they changed it some. I really hope so tbh

Probably heard some complaints about the design and making edits

[grave salmon]

Me either until just now lol

The head on the keyart is definitely a huge improvement though

[tiny star]

A bit sad that the sandal nun won, but its a good skin so I cant complain. Just really wanted the apocalyptic scraps with the cape

[grave salmon]

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(Should i be pinging everytime i see a bot or would it be better to just wait for the crew to notice it themself?)

[random heath]

pinging is fine, but you can check game-questions or game-discussion to see if someone has already pinged :)

[grave salmon]

Do the bots post in all channels at the same time?

[gilded blade]

Usually, yeah

[grave salmon]

Ah that makes sense. Thank you :)

[balmy meadow]

i hate this stupid tasteless white bread community

can we have the good option as a skin in the future pleaseeee

[indigo abyss]

Mimimimi

[gaunt dawn]

That looks closest to the ornate one

[indigo abyss]

You mean the one that won today?

[grave salmon]

I do hope they change the default to be more like the keyart. The current default is a bit too alien looking to me.

[echo folio]

I'd prefer if the keyart was an additional cosmetic as the hair and halo are slightly different than the default anyway

[drifting oracle]

Stupid that the most basic one outta both of them won

[fickle scarab]

Both designs were great

One I prefered lost but I am not super upset or anything

[grave salmon]

Exactly (Though i will be pissed if we never get it again in the future)

[vague crater]

i like the one that won more but i definitely wont mind if the losing one gets added too

they are both good designs

[sweet herald]

I just can't win with this grimoire

The popular consensus has been opposed to my interests for like the last 4 votes

[vague crater]

the only thing i am sad lost is this beautiful key art
this was so peak
and it lost to giving the killer head

[hoary flicker]

Giving the killer what?

[wanton grove]

judgussy 🤤

[royal knot]

[gaunt dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/angel-anime-angle-time-to-repent-sinner-repent-for-your-sins-gif-4420612105200018074

[tawny palm]

i jus want my god damn role that gives me da perms

[gaunt dawn]

Takes a lot less time than you think

[gaunt dawn]

Yeah

[gaunt dawn]

I just hope we are able to mix these in a fun way. Its important to me. Too many sets now are linked

I have an Idea!!!

For cosmetics. Link the wings to the weapon

Instead of to the body

That way people can change their wings willingly between different forms

Imagine being the ornate skin with radiant wings or the ornate one with the creepy wings

[indigo abyss]

It’s still an incredible art piece

Oh and I went through all other key art pieces and this one seems to have killer take the most amount of space out of any of them

Also survivors actively trying to repent or plead to the killer is very striking

[vague crater]

yeahh

I just really liked the first one

[indigo abyss]

They were all in different order for different people y’know?

[echo folio]

I just enjoyed this chapter art the most as the killer and weapon took up the whole image and had a survivor doing the pose we saw from the updates about the Exile and the killer's object.

[sacred magnet]

can someone explain what grimoire is??

im slow mb

[indigo abyss]

Grimoire is dbd’s first community shaped chapter

[dull lodge]

Vote for ur own chapter i think

[indigo abyss]

Or to be exact a means by which we shape it

Essentially it’s a series of votings that determine what will be the theme of the chapter, who will be the survivor and the killer, what are their power, perks, looks, and so on and so forth

[dull lodge]

ower * chapter

[indigo abyss]

You meant our?

[sacred magnet]

The shape metioned

mb

[indigo abyss]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEx6ZVQawAA8ftQ.webp

[sacred magnet]

is there a event today or will it js be nothing when bloodmoon leaves?

[gusty stone]

to be fair i got veteran before I ever get prestiged lol

[gusty stone]

loooooove that Idea

[sage ermine]

I’m not even excited for the community killer, bad design and bad default and skin

[indigo abyss]

Mimimimi

[dull lodge]

yeah sorry im kinda in stresss

[indigo abyss]

Damn

[onyx spade]

What is wrong Bru

[sage ermine]

Nothing

I’m just not excited about how the killer gonna look

I love the powers though

[tropic willow]

Where’d you find the winners?

Nvm found it

Legitimately sad not a single design for killer i liked won

[indigo abyss]

Same for me, now that I think about my only vote that won was killer’s weapon

It’s remedied by the fact that designs were all good across the board

[gaunt dawn]

I would have some faith. I know how many people want a more visceral design and I would love to see all the cosmetic options make it.

I honestly want to see if we as a community can talk them into having both designs

But its important to be cordial

[tropic willow]

Nothing i voted for killer has won besides some perks and thats it.

Well outside of the original rounds where it was “otherworldly”

[dull lodge]

my only vote that won was the survial skin

[echo folio]

I can't complain. Many of my older votes I got or were happy with what won

[tropic willow]

I voted for the default outfit that won and her name thats about it on survivor side besides also some perks

[dull lodge]

phase 2 verse 6 outfitt won that i voted

the nun outfitt i ment

[tawdry bluff]

Fire balancing team now

[cobalt ivy]

bro it isnt even out yet

[tawdry bluff]

Why I can’t use my favorite killer because it is too weak

[cobalt ivy]

what?

if you mean legion, go #game-discussion

[tawdry bluff]

Oh wrong channel

[shadow ruin]

im so exited for the new killer n survivor, finally an old lady for me to play
i love the nun skin too so happy it won ^^

[gaunt dawn]

Old lady with nun skin and an eerie angel are fantastic wins in my book. But I hope we can see some of the loser cosmetics return soon.

I want these to come back

[gaunt dawn]

Tbh only 3 of my votes ever lost. I started thinking me ans my friends were the only ones getting votes through up until I lost at the survivor base skin and the killer alt skin

And weird thing is. I actually wanted the porcelain face one to win but I voted for the other one because I want everyone to be happy

[median tree]

is there no longer another vote on the 19th?

[indigo abyss]

There was never supposed to be one

Also 19th is Sunday and practically nothing ever happens on Sundays

[median tree]

oh s- thanks!

got my dates mixed up

[gaunt dawn]

I cant wait for may 14th

[quasi dragon]

this design is genuinely so much better

leave it to the dbd community to vote for every single worse choice

[fresh fossil]

This one was pretty alright too also no way they won't bring the loser skin back

[gaunt dawn]

There are clearly 2 different camps here. Some have a philosophy that in order for something to be cool or scary it needs to follow the typical bodyhorror/visceralness and another that likes the unsettling uncannyness.

There is nothing wrong with preferring either

[vague crater]

mf its a vote
there isnt a worse choice if its an opinion on which one is better

[fickle scarab]

Both designs were awesome though

They were going for different things so I suppose personal preference between those things is a factor but both designs are really good

I liked the other one better too but I'm good with this one.

[stark nest]

Will the grimoire killer have more than just the skin we voted for?

More skins I mean

[tough terrace]

It probably won't be answered until the anniversary stream, but what's the general idea for when this chapter is going to be coming out? Around September-November?

Oh, and one more question, is the current method of sin accumulation (that is, by being hit by the killer's power) set it stone?

[calm rain]

I’ve returned nerds- what’s going on?

[ancient mica]

How far was the grimoire planned ahead? Especially later on. Did you have entire "tree planned out", or did the next options get decided after the previous ones?

[strong stratus]

Do we get alucard Hellsing skin to Dracula Castlevania ?

[jaunty night]

How did the design process for this differ from usual original chapters? Did it take more or less time/resources?

[rare quartz]

Only if people can quote alucard hellsing (no tfs)

[signal fern]

Are you planning anything against survivors who camp near the exit gates to secure a win?

[foggy storm]

Is the killer going to have meaningful add-ons; Blight, Spirit, or some of the other powerful gameplay warping add-ons?

[fair hollow]

Are there any concepts drawn for this chapter that didn't make the Grimiore vote? Like a fourth possible killer silhouette for example?

[tough terrace]

grimoire questions only

[bright vale]

Will the Grimoire return sometime in the future for a new chapter?

[hollow crypt]

Will the alternate final killer design (the one with fleshy wings and feathers) become an eventual cosmetic set?

[burnt forum]

prob not, the licensing would be difficult to obtain that way

[plain copper]

GOD DAMN AGGHHH

[plain copper]

How did this one lose??? It was literally PERFECT??

[indigo abyss]

Yes!

[hollow hawk]

Would be awesome

[indigo abyss]

Very likely but still unconfirmed

[gaunt dawn]

If we can be cordial, I think we can convince them to release both at launch. But its important we remain civil about it

Being civil is incredibly important. Good faith enthusiasm.

[indigo abyss]

I don’t think this is a matter of them not being convinced

If they find the time and resources, they might push in a skin or two more for the release or shortly after

If they can’t - they can’t

[subtle pecan]

I have a question about the design process. Is this the same process that is regularly used in-group for the developers when it comes to character design, coming up with several ideas, presenting them, and using majority vote to create each chapter?

[gaunt dawn]

Everything is on a schedule. It depends if they consider it important enough to make it a priority

[indigo abyss]

We don’t know in details how they work internally

I’d assume they have a sort of focus group for that

But what we do know is that there are always multiple potential versions being worked on before the final one is chosen, that’s just how things are done in the industry

[subtle pecan]

Alright. One more question then. Not sure if it was already answered, but could the options not chosen return as possible options for other concepts later, such as the perks that didn't make the cut this time around?

[vague crater]

cause its not coherent at all
its two or three different concepts thrown together that is too much and doesnt look that good

also cause the majority of people who voted for divine want a stereotypical angel

with the base skin not really being that and then having an option for a skin closer to that

[indigo abyss]

I don’t think the same options would be used for perks

However, they can still just add them outside of grimoire