grimoire-discussion

[tropic willow]

Also as a community can we please make the survivor a gypsy with the purple bandana and purple outfit? I think that would be really cool and would explain her experience with the arcane like the story we picked for her

They both have spider legs wdym

[onyx tusk]

No we still have to vote for both of them. It's not set in stone yet.

[fickle scarab]

you know what gypsy means right

[compact ore]

Spiders are like a huge phobia (probably the most common) for people so I doubt they’d add this (im aware clown and plague are also phobias)

[calm rain]

I love the hop this one has

[remote tree]

What skins do you guys want I want 3,2,4,1

[onyx tusk]

Huh?

[calm rain]

I meant hope

[tropic willow]

Yea why?

[onyx tusk]

Ohhh! I was like... I ain't no bunny. 😂

[compact ore]

Its seen as a derogatory term now

[calm rain]

I mean you could be… BUNNY GIRL

[deft minnow]

That's why we must vote N2 it's our only hope of ever seeing spider like killer

[tropic willow]

They already commented on not catering to censor phobias when there was a big discussion about arachnophobia censorship being possibly added they just said its a horror game youre supposed to be scared

[tropic willow]

Is it?

[remote tree]

It's a word with a meaning it only hurts you if you choose to believe the nonsense meaning behind it

[tropic willow]

Fine well can we make the survivor a fortune teller lady then? Is that more appropriate? 😭

[remote tree]

That makes sense

[compact ore]

Im not saying im offended by it im just saying that its seen as offensive to many 😭 people usually refer to them as travellers now

[onyx tusk]

They could just make a spider skin for the new killer instead.

[remote tree]

Yeah fair enough it's stupid that people who hate can't come up with new words and instead use words with a real meaning

[fickle scarab]

It was for a time used as a slur against the romani people, and as a result they view it as derogatory. It wasnt ONLY that obviously though. The term itself was an exonym used by people to refer to the romani during the middle ages.

People still use it to refer to like, the archetypical romani gettup stuff. But the romani people dont like it.

[tropic willow]

I was just using it to describe wanting to make her like the fortune tellers they had in old horror movies especially like the wolf man one

[white summit]

Bruh why is the killer a spider, it's supposed to be an angel 😭

[deft minnow]

Could work, but the legs on N1 are just floating pillers it won't have the right vibe

[tough cipher]

Anyone else voting for the hammer

[compact ore]

This is fair!! :))

[onyx tusk]

I just like the first one because it reminds me of Elden Ring and Dark Souls. Also I think the mori would be BADASS.

[lilac stirrup]

because it looks cool?

[remote tree]

The hammer is lame ngl I like the 3rd one

[tropic willow]

Because thats what we voted on shape wise last time

[compact ore]

Because we voted for that silhouette

[remote tree]

It doesn't look anything like a spider why does everyone keep saying that

[fickle scarab]

I was mostly pulling your leg about it so dont worry about it

[deft minnow]

I personally like N2 as it's more biblically accurate with the eyes on the wings and actual feathers

[olive parrot]

me when sometihng has more than 2 legs

[tropic willow]

Im voting the insense burner its the only cool looking one to me the other two look kinda ugly tbh

[lilac stirrup]

my favorite weapon is the flail

[white summit]

The legs, I thought we'd have a killer that was going to fly like vecna and the legs they gave it was going to be a skirt thing

[tropic willow]

Same

[onyx tusk]

Wait so is it final then? I thought we get to vote tomorrow?

[lilac stirrup]

it's kinda like what the plague has but honestly i don't really like the plague so uhh now it's time for the cooler plague

[fickle scarab]

I don't like the way plague's incense thing is animated for attacks and I doubt the flail will be much better

[swift shell]

chat what is this killer based off. what typa powers she or he finna have ?

[remote tree]

It's a lot like plagues don't you think

[lilac stirrup]

well yeah but i don't like the plague so umm it's time for the cooler plague

[tropic willow]

Both are themed around prayer so it would make sense to have more than just one. Sides then they could get some matching sets which we dont get for killers too often

[remote tree]

I like the 3rd weapon it fits the best in my opinion

[tropic willow]

Yup i said this but idc i like the design a lot

[lilac stirrup]

a spear is cool but idk it feels kinda generic

which is why i voted for the spider angel in the first place

[tropic willow]

Should of did a flaming sword since the angel of death uses one of those

[lilac stirrup]

ACTUALLY GOOD IDEA

[deft minnow]

An angel with a spear is way too stereotypical

[calm rain]

Hammer!

[lilac stirrup]

but we don't get to suggest ideas just pick the ones BHVR already came up with so 😒

[tropic willow]

I just think the hammer and spear are ugly ngl

[calm rain]

Maybe mace

[lilac stirrup]

also people keep talking about a hammer but i'm pretty sure that's an axe

[remote tree]

We don't have a spear in game so it would probably be soooo cool

[lilac stirrup]

that's also a good point

[calm rain]

Eh?

[lilac stirrup]

as long as we don't get the axe i'll be happy

[tropic willow]

Fr otherwise we’d have a non human face and some stained glass mixed in

[deft minnow]

Honestly, I prefer the flail, but I would gladly settle for the big funny bonk stick

[calm rain]

lol

[fickle scarab]

It is a both beautiful and horrific looking divine being who applies judgement towards those its views as sinners. It was responsible for destroying an entire world, which the survivor originated from.

Has a ranged attack which calls a massive beam of light from the sky the moves along the ground. Survivors can accumulate "sin" by preforming different actions and interacting with "divine relics" on the map. Sin can cause them to get sent into another realm (like the void in the halloween events) which they have to escape from. Getting sent to this other realm counts as a hook and you need to escape effectively to stop the hook timer and prevent it from speeding up.

[remote tree]

Potential legendary weapon in a angel of death themed outfit??

[fresh depot]

I like the angel on the left!

[white summit]

Ok I relooked at the killer's silhouette and I no way shape or form though that those were going to be legs, they look more like spinning spirals that'd spin around the killer and had something to do with it's power because in the silhouette they're floating offside the killer, now we just have a killer with wings too small for it's body and can't fly

[deft minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-how-original-gif-20004154

[calm rain]

I see the appeal

[wanton obsidian]

I just saw the grimoire and I hope and pray we get the Flail. We have only adiris who's in the game who uses a chained weapon

[swift shell]

ooooo me like this one

[onyx tusk]

The Archangel is gonna have some dope skins. I'm just hoping it's going to not be a pain to go up against.

[tropic willow]

I wish we could of had more input on the killer’s and Survivor’s designs tbh

[calm rain]

Scythe would be COOLER

[tropic willow]

Id settle for a scythe

[swift shell]

that’s what i said

[deft minnow]

Now that would be sick as hell

[calm rain]

In what context

[onyx tusk]

Scythe or a flail

[swift shell]

no just scythe

[remote tree]

Same I like how it's core is seen as rotten/nasty but the wings are beautiful showing it's a terrifying but still a divine creature

[white summit]

Change the axe rn to a scythe plz

[fresh depot]

Exactly

[tropic willow]

I like aspects of both. But as wholes i dont like them tbh. I like the top half of the 2nd one and the bottom of the first.

[calm rain]

Lmao

[latent mirage]

The staff looks so good oh my god

[deft minnow]

We need a killer with a Scythe other than that one nurse skin

[remote tree]

Might be a skin

[onyx tusk]

The Grim Reaper

[tropic willow]

A flail is already one of the options

[calm rain]

Yeeaah.

Giving me horse-men vibes lol

[latent mirage]

I can’t decide which is better killer design they both look so good

[white summit]

Her primary weapon is a bone saw, the scythe is a skin from the Castlevania collab

[deft minnow]

A Grim Reaper would be peak, but I doubt they would ever add one

[azure fox]

iam picking the 2nd one

[calm rain]

It is technically the grim reaper

[onyx tusk]

Tbh I didn't see the weapon choices. I only saw the killer designs and the survivor.

[tropic willow]

Theyre talking about the Nurse skin. Its the grim reaper from Castlevania

[calm rain]

Already turned it into a skin unfortunately

[onyx tusk]

Facts. They haven't even added a Werewolf yet. 😂

[buoyant spoke]

Me too, I like the more gorey aspects, still divine but cruel kind of which I love

[calm rain]

I WANG CRAMPUS SOOOO BAAAD

[minor pendant]

Grim Reaper is about collecting souls and enacting death, but the entity doesn’t want the survivors to die, it wants them to suffer

[onyx tusk]

No Dracula doesn't count....

[lilac stirrup]

i like the second one more because the first one is too bright and glowy and the face is too human. the second looks less cohesive and more monstrous, which i think works better as a design, and its face looks a lot better too, less like an actual face and more like a carved sculpture or some kind of mask, as well as the entire thing looking cobbled together in some twisted meeting of divine tissue and architecture. it's cool and i like it a lot.

[calm rain]

https://tenor.com/view/krampus-2015-gif-12853987

[tropic willow]

Lets make the survivor a fortune teller lady!!

[onyx tusk]

I'm game for that!

[minor pendant]

Works well with the astronomer mood board

[tropic willow]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-fortune-teller-future-prediction-gif-25704815

[calm rain]

Dis version SPECIFICALLY

[deft minnow]

Fr, which is a real shame considering we have a vampire, I'm sure the furries would go wild if we got one tho

[calm rain]

So far we have a mummy- gillman- vampire, I think we have a Frankenstein

[tropic willow]

Im voting these two to make her a fortune teller

[calm rain]

Ehhh idk

[fickle scarab]

She looks like a wizard with that outfit

[calm rain]

Idk how I feel about it—

[fickle scarab]

or like, an artificer

[buoyant spoke]

I think a werewolf would make sense but it might be hard to do and make it look cool and not just… a werewolf 😭

[swift shell]

me either man.

[buoyant spoke]

I agree

[onyx tusk]

I already know what power The Werewolf would have. The map becomes dark and then the killer(Who's a human in the daytime with a axe for a weapon) turns into a werewolf and scurries around the map. Kinda like The Xenomorph but can leap trees.

[calm rain]

Bro I feel like I’m hitting/banging my head against a wall trying to figure out what to choose 😭

[fickle scarab]

We had the Were Elk and it looks amazing

[tropic willow]

Not a 4th axe killer. Just have him use his claws

[swift shell]

it’s a hard choice man

[onyx tusk]

No this is when it's in human form.

[tropic willow]

Ohh

[onyx tusk]

Yeahhh

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah that’s true but idk i feel like a lot of media of werewolves end up looking the same, im sure dbd’s amazing team could make it amazing tho

[deft minnow]

Ngl I would love to see something like that, could work similarly to Dredge's Nightfall

[onyx tusk]

Imagine the skins we'll get!

[calm rain]

DOES THE BEAR COUNT AS A WEREWOLF

[onyx tusk]

BOTH FOR HUMAN AND WEREWOLF

[buoyant spoke]

This is a great idea that would be cool

[deft minnow]

A nine-tailed fox man

[tropic willow]

No hes just a bear mind controlled by a cat legitimately the lore since its a collab btw

[calm rain]

Damnit

[onyx tusk]

That's exactly what I meant

[buoyant spoke]

Then it’s a were-kitsune not really a werewolf

Not that I’d mind

[fickle scarab]

Something I like about Behavior's killer designs is that they take a unique approach to things and draw influence from a variety of stuff though. Like how Huntress isn't explicitly just the bunny man or a buba yaga, but mixes elements of them along with other stuff.

I doubt a were creature killer would be all that generic

[onyx tusk]

Thanks! I have so many ideas for this game but I know in the end of the day. None of it will come to the game. 😂

I only have over 4k hours in Dead by Daylight.

[tropic willow]

Kistunes are said to be able to take on human form so its still just a Kitsune

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah I’m just saying it’s a generic idea

[deft minnow]

Well, you said you didn't want it to be "Just a werewolf" and this is basically an exotic breed

[calm rain]

Hmmm

German shepherd

[fickle scarab]

lol

[white summit]

As much as the new killer looks decent it still feels like we're about to get run down by Henry J. Waternoose from monsters inc, I mean the concept would be cooler if this was an actual spider killer that used it's angelic appearance to lure people in but that wouldn't match the power we voted on at all

[rapid raft]

This is dope yall

[onyx tusk]

Bruh

[graceful forge]

personally i would adore a "wild hunt" based killer

[buoyant spoke]

Well that’s not true, some of it could 😭

[buoyant spoke]

YES

[calm rain]

. . . Why is there a whale here—

[graceful forge]

no relation.

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah but there could be ways to be true to the idea without making it a different thing

[latent mirage]

I 100% agree, we need more fleshy abominations, I think you sold me on the second design more 😭 I still think both are amazing but the second one is def the better of the 2 horror wise

[graceful forge]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-heathcliff-how-wild-wild-hunt-heathcliff-gif-10033522190086699381

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah I agree the 2nd one is more monstrous but still angelic but in a cruel way

[white summit]

Second killer design just makes the killer more spider like with the string

[onyx tusk]

I think the first one looks visually better and I DO AGREE we need more abomination killers! Maybe not this one, but another killer would be great!

[buoyant spoke]

Yes we do I love a lot of killer designs but especially ones that are genuinely an abomination

[latent mirage]

Definitely!! I need more abominations, I fell in love with dredge the moment I saw them

[calm rain]

YOUR MOTHER SMELLS OF ELDER-BARRYS!

[onyx tusk]

@latent mirage SAME

[onyx tusk]

I WILL FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!

[latent mirage]

😨

[buoyant spoke]

…help? 😭

[onyx tusk]

It's from Monty python and The Holy Grail.

[deft minnow]

Make sure to eat onion rings a day before to get that extra pungent smell

[calm rain]

Why you helping him out pookie!!!

[deft minnow]

lol

[onyx tusk]

Facts, facts. Maybe some McDonalds too...

[lapis tinsel]

Yo how is the Grimoire doing

[tropic willow]

Vote starts tomorrow for the final stages of the character designs

[lapis tinsel]

Yk I saw this is the name for the killer, chapter etc. Because the killer looks like an Angel name it The Fallen?

[calm rain]

I think we already have that—

[lapis tinsel]

And not Transformers reference DW 😆

[tropic willow]

Im voting for these two to make what im posting as the 3rd pic. Because i like that the most as the outfit and makes her seem like a fortune teller

[calm rain]

HMMM

[onyx tusk]

Someone said that already. I said it should be called "The Archangel".

[calm rain]

Ehhh maybe

[lapis tinsel]

The Fairy? maybe

[deft minnow]

Ngl looks like a gypsy to me

[tropic willow]

Thats the point. Since shes supposed to be an expert on the arcane

[calm rain]

How about. . . “The first coming” or “The light”

[onyx tusk]

We already have "The First" (Vecna)

[calm rain]

I SAID COMMING

[onyx tusk]

Guys.. The Archangel just works, okay? 😂

[lapis tinsel]

@calm rain @tropic willow @onyx tusk ik this is unrelated but surprised didn't give Oni a Hellboy type skin

[calm rain]

nananananan need something different

[calm rain]

HA

[lapis tinsel]

Both are "red", horns, a tail just no huge fist

[onyx tusk]

Why though? It fits the look and it's a badass name! Why you against it? 😂

[onyx tusk]

Hellboy skin in-general would be DOPE

[calm rain]

EXACTLY!!!
It fits to well….. ITS TOO PERFECT!!
throws table out of office

[lapis tinsel]

I know the remake one (David Harbor) was awful but his world works well with DbD

[rough turret]

or The Nephilim

[stone herald]

she looks amazing omg!!

[onyx tusk]

LMAOOOOO

[tropic willow]

I really hope that combo wins!!

[deft minnow]

"The Rapture" could work

[calm rain]

Hmmm.. MORE—

[stone herald]

I do like Nephilim, but that explicitly states that the killer is a half-angel and half-human

[calm rain]

I LIKE IT! But that that name works better as the title of the chapter

[deft minnow]

True

[calm rain]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[onyx tusk]

Wait why not "The Penitent" for the killer's name/identity? (had to say identity for @deft minnow 's sake❤️ because I'm considerate. 😂)

[tropic willow]

Not bad

[stone herald]

Now, the idea of them being a Nephilim does have interesting lore implications. A half-human, half-angel sword of the cross

[calm rain]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmm

[deft minnow]

I love it, you have me sold

[calm rain]

Ye

[stone herald]

Ooo, you're cooking here

[white summit]

It technically is a nephilim because waternoose from monsters inc decided to have a baby with a dove

[onyx tusk]

It's not overly cliche and it's got that darker tone for a name. Ya know? The Penitent!

[fickle scarab]

nephilim just means giant does it not?

[rough turret]

it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be half angel half human, but perhaps an interpretation of what freaky being could result from the merging of mortal and god/angel
or even, the merging of a deity and multiple mortal souls/sacrifices (especially with all the screaming face designs)

[calm rain]

Only the Penitent one shall pass— IT WORKS

[stone herald]

Biblically speaking, the Nephilim are the children of Angels and humans, which would be born as giants on earth

[calm rain]

So Jesus

[onyx tusk]

They'll probably just end up calling it The Flying Beast or something weird. 😂

[stone herald]

that implies that the God of Abraham is a lesser being than a deity; Yeshua ben Yosef was made purely with Miriam's DNA and whatever the fuck gods have

[calm rain]

lol

God is everything

[fickle scarab]

Technically not biblical because it is from an apocrypha

[stone herald]

You got me there, forgot that detail

[rough turret]

I was going to say Nephalem at first, but it just doesn't fit as well as Nephilim

[deft minnow]

Knowing Bhvr they're gonna name the mf "The deformed chicken wing"

[stone herald]

Oooo, I found a list of words this killer could be

[gusty cipher]

yup im voting for this combo

[calm rain]

LMAO
“The forgotten KFC”

[tropic willow]

Yay!!

[gusty cipher]

the discombobulated winged fool

[onyx tusk]

LMAO

[deft minnow]

"The chicken who crossed the road"

[calm rain]

:0

[stone herald]

The Retribution
The Torment
The Scourge
The Penance (lookin at you, Boon)
The Trespass

[onyx tusk]

So does anyone else have any ideas for the name? So far I've got The Pentinent, The Archangel, The Fallen Angel and The Mistwalker....

[calm rain]

I like scourge ngl

[stone herald]

my religiously traumatized brain is genuinely loving this killer already

[deft minnow]

Thats a solid one

[onyx tusk]

Scourge hook? 😂

[calm rain]

Shhhhhh

[shell axle]

i’m loving the concept art already

[calm rain]

We all do

[fickle scarab]

The Deity or The Judge

[stone herald]

The Judge or The Judgement would slap

[calm rain]

Idk about phenix… how ya feeling phenix

[fickle scarab]

Honestly at this point I could see it end up being The Angel which be lame

[calm rain]

Pyramids head.

[stone herald]

he's an executioner, tho

[deft minnow]

Sound good but its missing somthing

hmmm

"The Final Judgment" would go hard as hell

[calm rain]

OOOOOOOO

[stone herald]

yeeessss

[buoyant spoke]

The deity or the divine one would be cool too

[onyx tusk]

"The Judge" is very interesting....

[fickle scarab]

Pyramid Head is The Executioner.

[buoyant spoke]

Especially because the survivor is like a fortune teller esque so the deity or the divine one would make sense bc of the spirituality stuff and how fortune telling works

[calm rain]

Ah

[white summit]

I wish I could send a gif here of waternoose from monsters inc running down the hallway bc that's going to be the new killer's running/walking animation

[stone herald]

If they are named "the judge" or "The judgement", then we'd need "The Jury" to finish the joke

[rough turret]

The Choir could slap maybe, I keep thinking about the faces

[onyx tusk]

😂

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah but he’s also nicknamed “The Judge” and sometimes called “The judge, jury and executioner”

[deft minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-mrwaternoose-jeffbezos-gif-22414942

[white summit]

Thank you

[buoyant spoke]

They just chose his most common title to put in game

[stone herald]

I was gonna jump in with The Celestial Chorus, but I think World of Darkness would sue /lh /j

[fickle scarab]

Hes also called "The Red Pyramid Thing" in the manual

[rough turret]

I was gonna say The Harmony but then I think about the hsr aeon

[stone herald]

they, Pyramid Head is more of a fan nickname, like Pinhead, that got popular. At least that's what I recall

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah I’m just saying that’s why someone brought him up was bc ppl were suggesting “the judge” for this new killer

[rough turret]

Reanimated Authority lowkey could slap
or does it have to have The in it

[onyx tusk]

I think everyone in this chat is extremely creative and I think we all deserve to come up with our killers/survivors!! I gotta go tho, play some Dead by Daylight with my homie. I will be voting for N1 tho, it just looks really good in my opinion. I have hope we will get a spider killer later on AND A WEREWOLF. Good luck guys and may the best design win!

[stone herald]

I've always wished that a fully custom survivor DLC type thing would be added on, but that might make the game explode

[buoyant spoke]

It doesn’t have to but the the makes it sound more final imo which I think fits the design

[buoyant spoke]

My computer would actually blow up I swear 😭

[rough turret]

The Authority could also work

[stone herald]

also, I'd kill for a crossover with World of Darkness (Vampire the Masquerade skins especially)

[buoyant spoke]

And I like the system they have

[rough turret]

I love naming things

let's name it The Uhhh

[buoyant spoke]

Yes I like this better than ‘the judge’ but I still like ‘the divine one’ a lot

[stone herald]

now i know who to ping when i finish my horror novel (naming books is hard, man)

[buoyant spoke]

Naming books is like impossible 😭 I’m horrible at naming my stories 🥀

[rough turret]

I made my own universe, and it's rules/species/hierarchies and realms and I put too much effort into the names

I quite like the second design, but I also like the first one

[stone herald]

two friends of mine and I are working on a series of episodic books based on our Vampire the Masquerade characters.

And the lore still isn't as convoluted as Dead by Daylight

i am so much funnier in my head

[rough turret]

my character with the most complex lore started as an among us oc 😭😭😭

[white summit]

The new killer isn't an angel at all and is a spider that lures victims in with its angelic appearance.

[buoyant spoke]

I think the 2nd one is better because it’s more uncanny valley and more divine in a festering laying in wait cruelty way which I really like

[rough turret]

a name that takes more inspo from the spider featers, maybe, The Weaver or Fate Weaver, something like that

[buoyant spoke]

That would be even more reason to give it a more divine name because it’s trying to fool people

[ocean garden]

I think the seraphim would be a cool name, or the barachiel. I know it doesn’t fit but it basically means dispenser of Gods blessings which kinda lines up with the killers power

[buoyant spoke]

Ooo I love that

[rough turret]

please tell me the name is gonna be voted on after we know which of the two are chosen

[buoyant spoke]

Uh I don’t know but they are letting us vote on the name

I just don’t know if it’s before or after

[white summit]

The fate weaver sounds badass ngl

[buoyant spoke]

fr it does

[rough turret]

it could also make for some peak voice lines

[buoyant spoke]

YES THATS literally gold pls

[robust bloom]

thats the best one ive seen all day from casually checking in on this channel since the post earlier

[rough turret]

also, it would be cool if the webs it weaves are golden and have a glow, and maybe when being woven/interacted with, they strum and sound similar to a harp (or even a harpsichord)

[sterile tide]

still sad about the loss of our dark haired baddie🫡

[graceful forge]

i think youre the only person.

[white summit]

Vee is still here whatcha talking about

[sterile tide]

i probably am lol and that’s okay
vee is cute just not my style

[stone herald]

the dark haired girl from the grimoire apparently wasn't anyone else's style

[buoyant spoke]

YES OOO

[sterile tide]

i’ll keep running my dwight and yun jin 🫡

[vagrant shard]

Hear me out “The Fallen” or “The Fallen Angel”

[sterile tide]

love that

[vagrant shard]

Nah lol

[buoyant spoke]

I wouldn’t be mad, I like this but still think the fate weaver or the divine one is better imo

[stone herald]

see, I'm gonna cackle if the votes jack things up and make the name and lore not match at all

[buoyant spoke]

No we lost a good one I swearrr

[white summit]

I feel like the only thing that's contradicting the killer is that the power isn't matching the body, it's power is basically a laser beam that can send survivors to another realm temporarily, meanwhile it has a spider like appearance which is just throwing me off

[vagrant shard]

I still wish we gotten the other silhouette, we could’ve gotten an eyeball for a head

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah that could happen 🥀 but I don’t think they’d let it mess it up too much

[rough turret]

the second design would fit well with a sort of bio sci-fi, perhaps someone was attempting to synthesize a deity or an angel using biological engineering of some sort

[stone herald]

basically an AU for The Singularity

[tropic willow]

We are

[buoyant spoke]

omg that would’ve been so cool but I still like the 2nd design sm

Another time 🥀

[vagrant shard]

Me too

[rough turret]

I'm already making headcanon ideas for this thing

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah I know i meant I didn’t know which was being voted for first

[vagrant shard]

I hope for the mori options, people won’t choose the most boring one

[sterile tide]

at least we get a new killer. i’m super excited either way! hopefully this playstyle is unique in comparison to some of the others

[tropic willow]

I was hoping we’d still get that with this one tbh

[buoyant spoke]

THEY BETTER NOT 😭

[hollow cove]

Can we get the flail man enough axes please and houndmaster has a staff(she’s the first person who came to mind) ik plague technically has a flail but please another for the religious deity

[vagrant shard]

Considering the past votes that won, I highly think that they will lol

[rough turret]

I quite like the mace weapon

[vagrant shard]

Staff looks better imo

[tropic willow]

Im voting flail only because its the only one that looks cool to me

[rough turret]

yeah let me just whack you with my spiked face ball

[hollow cove]

I like it to but come on no way the flail isn’t more fun to use lol

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah I know but in the past I’m just kind of like “oo those are cool I can’t wait for next chapter” but I don’t rlly care too much bc it’s cool either way BUT THIS ONE IM INVESTED IN 😭 IM INVESTED I NEED THIS THING TO BE THE BEST EVER

[hollow cove]

Exactly

[tawny perch]

guyss whats dbd grimoire exactly

[tropic willow]

The hammer and staff look just ugly to me tbh

[vagrant shard]

It’ll work the same way the plague swings her censor weapon. I can already see the hit cooldown animation

[hollow cove]

Hammer just looks way to big and bulky

[buoyant spoke]

The new chapter they’re working on I think they’re naming it that

[tropic willow]

Community made chapter that we vote on stuff

[tawny perch]

ohhh okay thank you :)

[echo swift]

lightwork

[tropic willow]

That too

[buoyant spoke]

yeah I agree, I want the staff

[tawny perch]

so its basicallly like stranger things chapter but customized ny the community on next update?

[vagrant shard]

It’s looks more like an axe tbh

[rough turret]

oh is that a hammer?

[echo swift]

so we all agreement that the staff is perfect for killer

[hollow cove]

I’ll prob vote flail or staff, when can we vote? I tried looking at it and it’s still set on like what the grandmas theme is and what not

[vagrant shard]

YES

[echo swift]

staff better

[buoyant spoke]

Flail isn’t horrible but I love the staff sm

[hollow cove]

I said that but someone said hammer so I just went along

[tropic willow]

No the grimoire is the community made chapter. We vote on the actual chapter name later. So if they do this again it will probably be called grimoire again

[robust bloom]

the vote opens up tomorrow

[stone herald]

Idk, getting bonked with an angelic hammer would be hysterical...buuuuut Bubba and Max already have hammers.

[hollow cove]

Ok nevermind with the second look I’m in love with the staff more

[buoyant spoke]

oh mb 😭

[echo swift]

which look you going for

[hollow cove]

Ohhh ok yay

[rough turret]

I think we have enough axes in game

[buoyant spoke]

Exactly so peak

[hollow cove]

Def the purple bandana

[stone herald]

I'm digging the purple

[tropic willow]

This one. Edited my head wear and clothes option choices together

[vagrant shard]

Probably the fourth or 3rd one

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah I agree the purple is it for her

[vagrant shard]

Hot take: left looks better

[robust bloom]

personally i wouldnt mind either outfit for the survivor. i think theyre both pretty solid

[fickle scarab]

Special thing whwre the community has gotten to vote on the step by step creation of a new chapter. We started from the survivor and killer's basic concepts and backgrounds, and have worked up through mechanics, visual design bases, etc.

Tomorrow we are getting to vote on the final visual design of both the killer and the survivor.

[hollow cove]

Yesss left 100% looks better

[stone herald]

Left is 1000% getting my vote

[robust bloom]

someone earlier compared the right one to a plucked chicken and i cant unsee it

[tawny perch]

ohh whats been voted so far if im able to see?

[tropic willow]

I dont like either tbh. I like the bottom half of the left and the top half of the right one. Wish they came up with more than two options

[rough turret]

I prefer the feathered front legs and the definition of individual feathers on the right

[stone herald]

I've seen plucked chickens...they aren't very off

[buoyant spoke]

Eh I think it looks like…too human, not in a creepy way I just eh I don’t love it, I love the right one more but the left is cool

[vagrant shard]

That’s literally the first thing that came to my head when I saw it, it’s looks like a chicken fused with a swan and walked outside of a meat factory

[buoyant spoke]

Oo yes that would’ve been perfect

[robust bloom]

i also think the proportions of the one on the right is just a bit off

[vagrant shard]

The meaty bits on the wings just bothers me so much

[buoyant spoke]

I like that detail 😭

[rough turret]

I'm a little sad the other texture wasn't chosen

[tropic willow]

The survivors face, the killers shape and texture pallet, their backstories, the killer’s powers being a beam from the sky and touching its artifacts gives you sin which can teleport you to an alternate realm (example they gave was the void from halloween event), the survivor’s place of work, and the fact theyre an arcane investigator

[vagrant shard]

who here agrees that the left option should win?

[buoyant spoke]

I think it makes it creepier and more interesting

[rough turret]

I like that it looks like someone tried to build angel wings by sticking feathers into a clump of flesh glue

[buoyant spoke]

Heh I’m so excited to start voting

[tropic willow]

Thats what i like about it tbh. I just dont like the leg design on that one

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah exactly

[vagrant shard]

Nah man, the one on the left looks more angelic and actually looks like it’s made of divine energy rather than looking like a walking meat pile

[fickle scarab]

Killer is a both beautiful and horrific looking divine being who applies judgement towards those its views as sinners. It was responsible for destroying an entire world, which the survivor originated from.

Has a ranged attack which calls a massive beam of light from the sky the moves along the ground. Survivors can accumulate "sin" by preforming different actions and interacting with "divine relics" on the map. Sin can cause them to get sent into another realm (like the void in the halloween events) which they have to escape from. Getting sent to this other realm counts as a hook and you need to escape effectively to stop the hook timer and prevent it from speeding up.

The survivor is a "spiritual scientist" and survivor of the destruction of their home world by the killer. They seek to learn new knowledge. We also voted for the survivor to be that of an old woman, and that her perks will be focused on the "boldness" bloodpoint category (interacting with or being near the killer).

The next voting we are gonna do tomorrow is for the final designs. Some content creators got early access to the options so weve been discussing them.

[tropic willow]

I like the fleshy bits i just dont like those legs.

[rough turret]

the first one gives the look of being more a projection, where the second one looks glued and stuck together

I especially love that in the right, the blue accents look like webs, which you don't really get in the left

[buoyant spoke]

I disagree, the one on the left looks like it’s a human-wanna be divine, the one on the right is a divine creature but uncanny valley with a festering cruelty that’s consuming it (the flesh) which I LOVE I love that idea sm

[tropic willow]

Out of the two im voting the left one. I wish they had more options though

[tropic willow]

Same. Im just not a fan of the legs for it. And i dont like either of the heads tbh. Wish we got the floating eye for a head

[vagrant shard]

How is the left one a human wannabe? I kinda thought divine angelic beings are supposed to look like beautiful creatures

[rough turret]

fate weaver lowkey kind of fits more that I know the lore, being responsible for the ultimate fate of a world

[rancid moss]

The legs won the silouette vote unfortunately, no getting around it

[buoyant spoke]

no I meant it’s like it looks really human in the face in stuff, like a human trying to become divine, which is fine but I don’t like as a killer design as much

[tropic willow]

Idc about it having spider legs i just dont like the one on the rights design for them

[buoyant spoke]

And they are supposed to look beautiful but I think it just looks too human imo

[vagrant shard]

Aren’t angels are supposed to have human like faces?

[fickle scarab]

They werent leg explicitly, people just interpretted them as legs. Of the two design we are voting on, one design leans into a spide theme complete with leg and the other doesnt, having these pillar things floating around it

[rancid moss]

Fair enough, i also prefer the N1 legs

[steady current]

when are we getting more crop top skins for male survs?

[rough turret]

I really like the right ones legs, and I like how the white webs look to be keeping it together
I like the idea that it has to be held together outside of its world of origin

[vagrant shard]

Lost opportunity for an eyeball head killer

[buoyant spoke]

I mean accurately speaking no 😭 they’re just wings and eyeballs- lots of eyeballs

[fickle scarab]

We didnt vote for that

[tropic willow]

I like N1’s legs and N2’s upper half. Idc for either design as a whole

[buoyant spoke]

I agree with this

[vagrant shard]

Nobody confirmed or said anything that it’s gonna be biblical. Just that it’s a divine being

[tropic willow]

I think they still could of given one an eyeball head

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah I’m just saying, in mythology and stuff angels are not supposed to look human, although sometimes they try to

[rough turret]

the only angel I need in dbd is castiel

[buoyant spoke]

I think the right is a more sensible one

[fickle scarab]

Youre wrong about this. The "biblicly accurate angel" meme ismt actually accurate.

[tropic willow]

Especially since the wings both look nothing like the silhouette

[fickle scarab]

I say this as a global religion nerd

[vagrant shard]

Both of their faces look really human, I don’t really see the difference besides one is more silver like and the other one is white

[buoyant spoke]

The Bible literally says it though 😭and lots of mythology describe them as looking animal like, having lots of eyes, etc

[tropic willow]

It is but isnt. Its accurate on some of the branches of the angel hierarchy just not all of them

[buoyant spoke]

To me the right looks less like an actual face and more like a replica of a face

[vagrant shard]

That’s what the killer on the left has though. A lot of eyes on its lower body

[tropic willow]

Tbh im only voting for the left cause the fact it has a lot of eyes

[rancid moss]

For me the N1 is a FACE, while N2 is a MASK. Its pretty distinct, but I get what you mean.

[buoyant spoke]

And the right has lots of eyes in the wings which is described in a lot of mythology

It still has eyes, both do just in different places

[fickle scarab]

What you are refering to is the passage from Ezekiel specifically. Ezekiel describes two figures which later on in the religion were designated as seperate from most other angels. The ophanim (the wheel thing) and the cherub. Outside of Ezekiel angels are genrally depicted humanoid.

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah exactly what I’m trying to say

[vagrant shard]

Thing is, those eyes are less visible and less noticeable compared to the ones of the left

[buoyant spoke]

Not imo

[tropic willow]

I was hoping for a non defined gender (like unknown) and being a mass of eyes and flesh tbh

[stiff pollen]

I kinda want the left one with the face of the right one, I love the 3 glowing eyes

[fickle scarab]

we voted for a female figure tho

[buoyant spoke]

I like this idea too but I think the right is the closest to that

[vagrant shard]

Either way, they both still look cool. I just like the left one more, but ultimately, I don’t mind if the right one wins also

[tropic willow]

Technically we voted for just spider legs. Also the one on the right is missing flesh in spots so its closer to what i was looking for than just a female torso like the left

[buoyant spoke]

In Christianity yes but there’s other mythology and religions of angels and many depictions are non-humanoid or mainly non-humanoid with some human features

[rancid moss]

Did we?

[rough turret]

I think I'll vote for right personally, I love the feather definition, web-like blue accents and white bindings

[tropic willow]

Vaguely feminine but lets be real everyone just picked it for spider legs

[buoyant spoke]

I really hope the right wins 🥀

[rough turret]

yeah I voted for the legs because that silhouette was peak

[tropic willow]

Tbh idk which to vote for both have aspects i hate and like

[buoyant spoke]

That’s understandable

[rough turret]

yeah, I like the glow of the left, but not much how the wings aren't much defined

[rancid moss]

That why im voting N2, its more cohesive overall. N1 is very clean but then legs, awesome as they are, dont fit.

[stiff pollen]

I like the simpler design of 1 but there are some things I prefer from 2

[tropic willow]

I wish i could vote for N1’s legs and N2’s upper half

[stiff pollen]

true

[rough turret]

I also find that the blood on the legs of 1 is throwing me off

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah if only 🥀

[stiff pollen]

anyways when is the actual vote happening?

[buoyant spoke]

12 PM ET tmr

[rancid moss]

And the most important question is how its gonna look on low preset cause my laptop is a$$ & DbD aimt optimozed that well xP

[buoyant spoke]

hopefully good 😭

[rough turret]

if I even make it to the voting bro I almost swallowed a chicken bone

[buoyant spoke]

For other timezones it would be 9 AM PT, 11 AM CT, 5 PM GMT and 6 pm CET (according to Google)

[buoyant spoke]

I’d kiss you if you weren’t a stranger btw (I love supernatural)

Omg why is my internet like this

[rough turret]

I LOVE SPNI have the anti possession tattoo

[buoyant spoke]

YES PEAK I’m going to get the anti possession and angel banishing on my knee ♥️ eventually

[rough turret]

where can I get the angel attracting tattoo

[buoyant spoke]

Just become dean

You’ll attract him in seconds

[rough turret]

done

suddenly I want pie

[fickle scarab]

You have no idea what you are talking about. No offense

I wasnt just talking about christianity or cathalocism

[buoyant spoke]

Okay 😭 I’m saying about stuff I’ve read and I was talking abt the Christian Bible when I mentioned the Bible saying it

[spice thunder]

both the killer designs look generic. unfortunate
excited for old lady survivor though

[fickle scarab]

Ezekiel is from the bible

Ah fuck Im talking in cirlce

[rancid moss]

And the last thing before I go sleep: Purple fit for granny is better. Because Purple = win.
This is an objective truth, dont @ me.

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah… so that’s why i said yeah in Christianity 😭

[fickle scarab]

Ezekiel is also a jewish text but thats besides the point.

My point is that the description of inhuman angels is a rarity.

[spice thunder]

tbh throughout this whole grimoire i felt that people only really care about humanoids with wings when they think of an angel. its understandable but still kinda unfortunate, theres lots of cooler, less explored territories when we talk about divine monsters

[buoyant spoke]

It’s not really a rarity, it might be out of the norm for what is considered ‘standard’ angels in texts, but non-humanoid or otherworldly is described a lot

Especially in ancient texts where they originate

[fickle scarab]

The texts generally assume you're picturing them humanoid for the most part.

Also maybe worth bringing up seraphim. They are meant to be humanoid people shrouding their bodies with their six wings, but in a lot of catholic art they were depicted in a way that look inhuman, in or out of context.

[humble ice]

I just got here but yes holy shit it pisses me off how much seraphim art there is that is completely inaccurate for the sake of it

[fickle scarab]

I mean, I don't blame people for it

Those old mural arts of seraphim are terrifying

[buoyant spoke]

That is only one type of angel though which is one of the most well known because they were misinterpreted to look human, also humanoid still isn’t human looking, yes it has human features (literally what I was saying) but isn’t completely human looking

[humble ice]

Making angelic cosmic horror kinds of art are really cool, and I really like the look of the inaccurate seraphim, it’s not yknow not accurate. My only issue with people doing it is the say “biblical accurate” when it’s not it’s just a cool art piece

[humble ice]

There are other angels who are human-like

Not many but still

[buoyant spoke]

I’m not saying none of them are 😭 my main point was that ALOT of them aren’t which the other person was disagreeing, saying most of them are human looking or heavily humanoid

which they aren’t OFTEN not never, just often

[rough turret]

lowkey I have only read the wiki page for the bible

[humble ice]

I do like cosmic horror angels, but the reason I think we got humanoid angel as a killer is because the only other option was a big head that gave anger and terror, and none of the “elegant” we were also supposed to get

[buoyant spoke]

I’ve read it and other mythology and some other religious texts

[humble ice]

Plus the uncanny value of a terror taking the form of a humanoid is also a fear factor among people(because the grimoire describes the divine killer as being incomprehensible and taking form, meaning the design we will get isn’t its true form merely the one it chooses)

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah I’m not complaining abt the design I was saying I don’t like the left design bc it’s overly human like imo

[buoyant spoke]

That’s why I like the right design

[fickle scarab]

Seraphim werent misinterpreted as humanoid. There are pre-christian depictions of them humanoid, and there is nothing about their descriptions in any passages that implies they aren't,

[humble ice]

Im an omnist I like to just read mythology and overwhelm myself with its confusion. But i originally researched biblical lore bc many “Christians” are like completely wrong about their own religion and it kinda got on my nerves

[humble ice]

I like the right design, but I hate the legs on it

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah I’m not Christian either it’s very contradictory

[fickle scarab]

the biblically accurate meme comes from the ophenim from ezekiel, which were actually inhuman.

[humble ice]

Like the legs on the left one look like statues and it matches the silhouette more it gives elegant and sculpted. The one on the right looks shorter stubby and it just has wings on it it doesn’t hit the same

[buoyant spoke]

I said misinterpreted to be human looking, meaning they look almost completely human which they don’t, yes humanoid but not human looking if that makes sense

[fickle scarab]

Well this killer is meant to be both beautiful yet horrifying

[rough turret]

for my universes angels, I wasn't boutta read the entire book, so I took inspiration from information on the wiki and created my own seperate concept
I do think the grigori are cool

[fickle scarab]

Thats not accurate

[buoyant spoke]

Real I want the right top with left bottom

[humble ice]

Yeah

[rough turret]

I was gonna say the killer name could be The Grigori but then I didn't think it would fit and stuck with Fate Weaver

[buoyant spoke]

It’s literally also what you said though? I’m literally saying what you said in a different way 😭

That was the part I was literally agreeing with you

[humble ice]

The legs just look patched together on the right one like it’s not elegant it looks like the divine killer did a low resource art project on its legs, and they look like they’re gonna break any minute

[fickle scarab]

The depictions of them expect you to imagine something that looks human typically. In the serephim example, they look like people but with six wings they drap upon themsevles like a cloak

for the most part

[rough turret]

I think it looks cool if you think of it as, the being has to keep itself together outside of the world it came from, because perhaps its existence is unstable outside of the world it came from

[fickle scarab]

The spider puppet one looks best easily for me

[buoyant spoke]

Yes but human looking (looking just like humans) and looking human (humanoid) are different 😭 humanoid yes, completely human looking no

[fickle scarab]

I see what youre saying.

[buoyant spoke]

I like that though I think it looks like it’s not as stable as it wants to seem

[fickle scarab]

Pretty sure those arent legs on the first one

[buoyant spoke]

I like the left one’s legs but I wish they had details like the right one

Like feather detailing + webs on them

And golden faces instead of like fleshy

[fickle scarab]

The first one is more in line with the base silhouette and the second silhouette option which didnt win. It has these thigns floating around it but doesnt haf anything bellow its torso.

Second one is built off of the spider interpretation the community formed.

[rough turret]

to me, the left design feels much less cohesive

[fickle scarab]

yeah

The right one has such an incredible ammount of detail and effort put into it from what I can tell

so many little things

[buoyant spoke]

Yeah

[rough turret]

I love the plaster cast feel

[fickle scarab]

Looks like a puppet wrapped in spider thread

[neat moth]

Yo I hope this killer isn’t mocking the heavenly angels man

[fickle scarab]

lol

[rough turret]

I also really appreciate that the features that glow on the right are more minimal, which allows them to really stand out (and it's cohesive throughout the design)

where in the left, nearly the whole thing glows

the swirls feel a bit out of place, and I dislike that they are present only in the top half, so the balance feels off

[stiff pollen]

I really like the face of the second one, wish they could combine that with the first

[fickle scarab]

left one feels more like a nymph the more I look at it. Which I suppose is what a lot of people were saying that material that won looked like

imagine if we get to vote on the voice actors

[rough turret]

the second one could be a vessel containing the divine being as well, which also works

[fickle scarab]

pointed it out already earlier but I love the detail of how it has eight wings instead of six

because spiders have eight legs

[rough turret]

oh yesss

[humble ice]

I actually see that(I’m a Greek mythology nerd)

[humble ice]

They’re disconnected but they’re still meant to be legs

Or Disembodied if you will

[fickle scarab]

reminds me of dredge's concept art where they are meant to look like legs but arent legs

[humble ice]

Yeah

I just really like the way they look I want the legs of the first combined with the second design

[fickle scarab]

The spider concept thematically is just a lot more interesting in general

[rough turret]

also, while it can be interpreted as keeping itself put together with the bindings and webs, it could also be interpreted as something symbolic of restraint

[bleak bluff]

^^

[fickle scarab]

I see it more are symbolism rather than something literal.

[rough turret]

I also like that it doesn't have blood, I can't put my finger on exactly why, but I feel that the blood is a tad out of place in a way

[fickle scarab]

bloody cosmetics can get creative though tbf

Unknown's is probably the best example

I mean, The Unknown's design visually changes a lot. Like it looks like its crying blood.

In terms of blood there is a lot of freedom to add more stuff to the look through teh bloody cosmetic is what Im getting at

[rough turret]

for sure, I just feel like for this specific design it's a bit out of place
the faces are bleeding, but then the middle area is quite clean, and then the bottom of the legs are covered

[humble ice]

I like the disconnected legs that look like statues because it exaggerates the fact that this killer is created, this body is created, it’s not natural, it’s almost generated in a way. Plus the limbs being disconnected also to me shows it doesn’t need to follow basic physics, it doesn’t follow the rules of reality

[fickle scarab]

Interesting

[rough turret]

I also like that it kinda looks like bro found a statue and decided to wear it

[humble ice]

Yeah lol

Bro just went thrifting in the omniverse “mm nice statues these are mine now”

[rough turret]

lowkey me

the first one, the faces on the legs seem like actual human faces that it just kinda, decided to wear, for whatever reason

[echo folio]

I agree it feels scarier with the first one. Also I Low-key enjoy the eyes spread throughout

[rough turret]

I don't know if it's just me, but the wearing faces idea kind of makes it seem less intimidating

[humble ice]

I just like the statue elagance it fits in my opinion

I could care less what’s on the statue as long as it fits

[echo folio]

That is perfectly valid

Good luck to your choices!

[humble ice]

Like it could have ancient symbols on the statues or it could have body horror or anything but as long as it makes sense and it’s the statue it’s fine with me

[rough turret]

the first one also feels a bit more squished together, the second one feels more balanced

[humble ice]

I like the second design overall

I just want the disconnected statue legs😭

[violet void]

The giant face is better ngl

[tropic willow]

I disagree with the feathers but agree to the webs

[buoyant spoke]

Understandable

[humble ice]

Same

[white summit]

exactly why I like the left one more, I don't wanna be chased by watermoose from monsters inc that is the right one it just isn't scary to me also the right one doesn't look like it can't fly with it's wings

[humble ice]

I like the right one more. I’d love the have the left one’s legs on the right one

Because the disconnected legs

Are amazing

[tropic willow]

The feathers on the legs just make it kinda too cluttered imo

[white summit]

that's why I voted for the silhouette in the first place, we can have the spider killer from the tomes once the devs get over the people with arachnophobia

[humble ice]

I agree

[humble ice]

I doubt they will change their mind on that unfortunately

[white summit]

logistically the right one is more likely to get less skins then the left one

[tropic willow]

Ngl i wanted spider legs but wanted a non human head. I wish we had more input on these designs when comes to votes

[marble gulch]

Really sad that the legs are connected :( feels like a depature of the original concept that was a BIG part of the design

[tropic willow]

Or at least had one change your fate option when comes to the designs

[humble ice]

It annoys me tho bc every dbd killer can trigger a phobia. We have a horny serial killer clown, that violates a lot of phobias

[marble gulch]

I also honestly am tired of everything getting hit with the mystery goop/gore and vicera, like let us have something a bit more stone or mechanical like!

[white summit]

exactly, I thought the silhoutte had floating spirals that spun around the killer as they floated above the ground slightly

[humble ice]

I do like the body horror of it, but the killer SHOULD look more forged or created.

[tropic willow]

The one on the left could be disconnected its kinda left vague there. The one on the right they’re definitely connected tho

[humble ice]

It isn’t biological or natural it’s created from an incomprehensible being it shouldn’t look super natural

[humble ice]

No they’re definitely disconnected on the left

[marble gulch]

oh i LOVE me some body horror but im tired of that and nothing else, its either Just A Guy (which i dont mind btw) or Goop, i wish there was an inbetween you know? We already have body horror/horror of the flesh killers

[tropic willow]

Agreed. I wish we coulda had spider legs and an eyeball for a head. Instead of one or the other

[white summit]

left one looks more biblical than the right one, the right one looks like it'll have the animation style of waternoose from monster's inc

[humble ice]

To be honest

Neither of them look that biblical they just have wings and body horror

They look like body horror seraphim with one less pair of wings

[marble gulch]

i dont even care for biblical, there are so many ways to design the devine without christianity involved but this feels like 4 different directions at once and all of them are half assed

[humble ice]

I agree

Divine doesn’t have to be biblical

[tropic willow]

Left one looks angelic but i was hoping for less humanoid or at least a less defined gender like how unknown is

[white summit]

I'm sorry I'm never unseeing the fact that the right one will run like waternoose 😭 plus with the disconnected arms and stuff on the right one makes me think they're barely going to make any skins

[humble ice]

They better make skins

[marble gulch]

that is also precisely the animation i expect it to have to be honest

[white summit]

the other silhouette we could've voted for had a male torso, and the last silhouette was just the 67 meme but it used dredge's arms as a wheelchair

[tropic willow]

If they dont make skins. 100% should have a category in the community contest for community made ones separate from the other killer vote

[marble gulch]

YES! Im actually kinda sad that they did go with biblical but im not surprised so im not complaining about it lmao

[humble ice]

I mean did we expect any spider like or crustacean like legs to move any different😭

[tropic willow]

Ik i liked all of them but the head i didnt think fit the theme and looked like it would make a better genie killer

[white summit]

but with the arms running like the cop from cloudy with the chance of meatballs 😭

[tropic willow]

Yes. I blame the people that picked the textures that won. There was a clearly insectoid like one that didnt win

[humble ice]

But honestly I think dbd will jump on poppy playtime and I don’t see why MOB wouldn’t want a license since project playtime completely flopped so we’ll probably get arachnid legs eventually

If not poppy playtime they’re doing it eventually

They said they aren’t doing spider killers but one with legs like that isn’t off the table

[white summit]

there's a spider killer in the archives they could add as a future killer, it has the head of a spider a male torso I forgot if the legs were human or spider legs

[tropic willow]

Or as a halloween skin for this one.

[humble ice]

They said they weren’t adding spider characters. Which makes no sense to me but we have to acknowledge that

[marble gulch]

the spider stuff isnt really important right? like were talking about how the siluette is misleading and not the age old debate if they impliment a spider killer

[fickle scarab]

It makes sense in context to the entity. Spide stuff in lore is always asociated with it directly.

[humble ice]

It’s not really important, I’m just saying if the devs say we won’t get one then for now we won’t get one there’s really nothing else to it

[tropic willow]

Tbh i legitimately dont know which killer to vote for i dont like either as a whole and only like aspects of both

[humble ice]

It was bc of phobia.. not because of the entity. Thats why it doesn’t make sense. They said they considered it and decided not to because arachnophobia is a wide spread phobia.

When we already have other killers that can trigger wide spread phobia

[white summit]

yeah no the silhouette is def misleading, I'm just saying they were going to have a spider killer join the fog at one point but then didn't because too many people with arachnophobia were against it EVEN THOUGH they added space spiders in the toba landing map

[tropic willow]

All i know is if this survivor combo doesnt win imma crash out

[fickle scarab]

The entity is explicitly spider themed. Theres spider stuff all over this game.

[humble ice]

I completely think they will add a character with spider or insect legs

[fickle scarab]

Also Hag has a spider cosmetic. I doubt arachnephobia has anything to do with it.

[humble ice]

Exactly, THATS WHY their explanation makes NO SENSE

[tropic willow]

They already stated they wont cater to phobias since its a horror game

[marble gulch]

Yeah thats my issue too, there are parts of it that i like, the upper body for the first, the shape of the body from the second and IF we have to go with attached legs then the second ones also my fav, but neither are like "YES!" you know

[white summit]

EXACTLY

[tropic willow]

Lol im the opposite i like the lower body of the first and upper body of the second

[humble ice]

I’m not assuming, I’m telling you what they said. They said it was because of arachnophobia, THEY said that. And I’m saying it doesn’t make any sense

[fickle scarab]

Thats very silly

[white summit]

I like the upper body of the second but everything else from the first like the halo, wings and legs

[humble ice]

I agree

[tropic willow]

I dont recall them ever saying this. Just that they wont add an arachnophobia or any phobia setting

[marble gulch]

my issue is that the body flares out at the bottom and makes it look like a bowling pin

[fickle scarab]

That asside though, its clear to me that the silhoette was not intended to have those things be legs. However the community interpretting them that way lead spider themed design becoming an option.

[tropic willow]

I just like the flesh and eyes

[white summit]

I remember when this happened it was so stupid too the devs/higher ups are as indecisive as I am with my food orders

[fickle scarab]

Theyve said that community interpretation has influenced stuff

[tropic willow]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

Tbh i wanted a reformed demon survivor. We need non human survivors!!!

[humble ice]

They said it was because they’re not sure yet or smth stupid like that. They’re conflicted on it or something when honestly there’s no good reason not to add a spider killer.

[fickle scarab]

They literally posted an image with zero context and asked whst the community's response was to it

[humble ice]

SAY IT LOUDER

[marble gulch]

yeah that makes sense! The flesh is a cool option but the shape makes it look silly, if i tapered (like the silhouette would tell us) itd look super cool

[humble ice]

WE NEED NON HUMAN SURVIVORS DESPERATELY

[tropic willow]

When was this?

[fickle scarab]

A couple months ago.

I remember saying it reminded me of a manaquin

[tropic willow]

One elf isnt enough since elfs are just humans with pointy ears 😭 i was so mad we didnt get a tiefling or dragon born for the D&D collab

[tropic willow]

Mind DMing me the pic if can find it?

[white summit]

we should have a goblin survivor that can copy another survivor's perk in the lobby 3 times with all the other survivors but can only copy 1 survivor 1 time

[marble gulch]

but then they couldnt make money with you having to buy perks

[white summit]

I'll eat Bhvr's dollar bills

[tropic willow]

Wouldnt really make sense to not just have their own perks instead

[humble ice]

Honestly one of my dream collabs is murder drones because not only would we get high intelligence robot survivors with amazing perk potential, but cyn would be an absolutely terrifying killer with unique abilities

[marble gulch]

i am REALLY excied about the survivor tho, i know there is an original male character drought going on but OLD WOMANNN

[white summit]

it'd be a gamble which perk you get with the survivor you chose tho so you could get no mither if that survivor is running no mither

[tropic willow]

Only problem with Cyn is shes wearing a Teen’s skin. But yeah id like an MD collab

[humble ice]

Frrr

[humble ice]

I meannnn true but I don’t think it counts if cyn herself is older

[fickle scarab]

I think its what lead to their ideas for the survivor busts. Took in community responses and built after them.

[tropic willow]

Id main Uzi or J

[humble ice]

Fr

And a doll skin for Uzi would sell

[white summit]

john wick

[tropic willow]

Oh i remember that now. Lol didnt that end up being the Ginger guy’s silhouette?

[humble ice]

Yup

[marble gulch]

omg theyre adding john wick to the game?!? Markiplier is coming to DBD?!?!? huge if true

[tropic willow]

Smh

[white summit]

huge w news

[tropic willow]

I dont play male survivors but id main Mark ngl

[marble gulch]

me too

give us an iron lung skin with his harness PUHLEASE

thats how you really make money BHVR

[white summit]

give Nick cage his willy's wonderland outfit, I miss my favorite janitor and his pinball machine love story

[marble gulch]

that reminds me i still have to watch that, i know what im doing tonite >:)

[humble ice]

Unrelated but another dream collab for dbd is pirates of the Caribbean. Specifically with Jack Sparrow(obvs) and calypso as a survivor. calypso has great perk potential and would be a cool survivor in her human form

[white summit]

I think the survivor outfit that doesn't win should be a shop outfit we could get

[humble ice]

Yes

[marble gulch]

i honestly think that should always be the rule

esp since the votes are usually 40/60 if not even closer, meaning a BIG part of the playerbase likes the one that didnt win

[white summit]

He should have his skeleton as a legendary cosmetic, I know people who'd main the heck out of that

[echo folio]

I think it is worth considering but always? Let's get through one successful grimoire

[frosty mural]

This is probably ideal for base skin

Would like no hat to be a skin though

[white summit]

If the flail wins I hope the animation for it isn't the plagues animation but more rigid, and if the staff wins does the killer poke with the end of the staff, twirl it like the Trickster's bat, or does a beam come from the staff to attack the survivor

I'm just thinking about the logical aspects because I know to not expect much from bhvr

[echo folio]

Really hoping the chain or staff weapon win over the axe / hatchet option only because those need more love and a few killers have axes / hatchets

[tropic willow]

Will never happen. Part of the deal with Nic is that he wont get any of his role’s outfits since the deal was with him directly.

[white summit]

a girl can dream

[tropic willow]

Best you can do is try making an outfit that looks like it with the cosmetics he has unfortunately

[robust mulch]

i assume shed be some tarot card reader

[tropic willow]

I was thinking a fortune teller of sorts. I think it would make sense for an Arcane investigator

[robust mulch]

i was thinking of that too and it would be cool if she was our first romani survivor too

[tropic willow]

Agreed!

[mellow wadi]

2nd I want either

[robust mulch]

im afraid for grannies knees though

[mellow wadi]

PLEASE DBD GODS!!! FOR THE WEAPON WE NEED THE BALL AND CHAIN AND THE LEFT ANGEL I BEGGGG

If we don't get those, I'm not buying

Like legit, I'm not buying the chapter if we don't get them

[inner comet]

the ball & chain weapon would be SO good.. need the purple outfit for granny, & honestly the killer design could be either or imo

[mellow wadi]

The right one looks so stupid

The left one looks the most like an angel

[tropic willow]

Doubt it but might be a free chapter like how the community cosmetics are but who knows. Since first time doing these also i agree on the weapon but tbh idk which killer looks wise i dont like their. Like parts of but dont like either as a whole

[mellow wadi]

The left one looks the most like an angel. The one on the right just looks stupid

It's the wings for me

And just the overall design of the angel

[graceful gazelle]

we need to be allowed to go back to the material vote cause i wanna see what the other options wouldve looked like smh

[tropic willow]

I like the top half on the right one and bottom half of the left one. I like the torso mainly for the right one how parts have no flesh and then overly fleshy on others

[mellow wadi]

Honestly, I hate the fleshy

[tropic willow]

Agreed. Both of the ones i liked didnt win

[mellow wadi]

Hate it

The one on the left has the least amount of it, and it also incorporates it in a way that I actually like

The one on the right though? Abysmal

Those wings are atrocious

[tropic willow]

I like it since i wanted a non humanoid killer so the fleshy bits are a step towards that. I was hoping for a mass of eyes mainly

[mellow wadi]

That would have looked weird

[mellow wadi]

I see the vision though

[tropic willow]

I dont like either of the wings tbh i just like the torso on the right

[mellow wadi]

The left ones wings are gorgeous, what do you mean?

[tropic willow]

I was really hoping for broken stained glass wings made of like shards

[mellow wadi]

Weird but interesting

I was hoping for angelic wings like an actual angel, which is why I got so excited over the left one

[tropic willow]

Im probably voting left only because it has more aspects i like i just dont 100% like either though both have parts i hate and parts i like

[mellow wadi]

Understandable, I'm voting left because it's perfect in my eyes

Absolutely perfect

[tropic willow]

Wish they gave us more options tbh. Or like we vote on different body parts like head, torso, wings, legs, etc which is what they SHOULD have done

Just feel like we didnt have much say in either of the character design wise outside of their lore at the start

Like idk was just a big disappointment with how they ended up doing the appearances when came to how we picked. Felt like they already had end products in mind that we picked from as opposed to actually making the designs as a community

[toxic sail]

When can we vote ?

[crude rivet]

Tomorrow

[rapid vine]

if we vote for the bandanna i bet they will make different colors and we can do the 4 ninja turtles as the grandma, kinda like how dwight can do mario and luigi

[mellow wadi]

Which weapon and which killer design do you think is going to win?

Just based off of the DBD community and what the most likely outcome is

[echo folio]

Based off the community for most likely.. The axe or chain

[echo folio]

Oh and killer design I'm not sure but of the two options we know of, the bone like form with statue esque legs seem to be popular

[tropic willow]

Ik the head is ass but didnt know how to proportion it right with the limited space given but woulda liked a more combined version of the two with a non human face (a floating mask would of also been nice)

[echo folio]

I really like this version

[mellow wadi]

The one that I like?

[echo folio]

The combined version

[tropic willow]

I just want the torso from the one on the right on the other one is my biggest issue i have with the two designs.

[tropic willow]

Thank you. ❤️

The head on the two atm im just not into either. A floating mask would even be better imo

[sleek flax]

IMO, i think i like the staff the most, and the design with the more angelic bright wings the most for tyhe killer. i dont really like either outfit for the survivor and like the one with the least headpieces on it the most

[short whale]

Everyone on Reddit doesn't like the deisgns. They blame it on people who voted humanoid. As a humanoid voter, I still think humanoid could be good, it's just the designs we were given aren't good. They're too detailed imo. I think it should be more androgynous, and maybe not even have a face at all

[sleek flax]

they ar eoften very detailed in these kinda of things and toned down ingame

[short whale]

I know BHVR loves their meat. Gotta have every killer be meaty but I'd love if the angel was just pure and clean

Did the same thing to the >:( Singularity skin

[tropic willow]

Make her a fortune teller

[sleek flax]

sea of thieves head ass

[tropic willow]

I mean it was either humanoid or giant head the giant head fir more for a genie killer imo

[tropic willow]

Agreed on the face

[tropic willow]

Order of Souls if anything

[short whale]

To me the given designs are kinda... cheap looking

[sleek flax]

literally was getting an image

[short whale]

Even though they're detailed

[modest gull]

Exactly it shouldn't have a face. It makes no sense for it to have a human like face.

[tropic willow]

I like aspects of both but hate both as wholes

[tropic willow]

Still fits the Arcane investigator theme lol

[sleek flax]

I think they want characters, "meaty" as they want the entity to have direct contact with them. and for non huimans it would be through physical means

[short whale]

I like the feather design of #2 and the glowy hands. I think they should dial back the meatiness of the wings

[tropic willow]

I mainly like the fleshy bits and eyes and the torso of #2

[modest gull]

2 is overall better and fits the lore more compared to the 1st design.

[tropic willow]

But i dont like the rest of it besides the random webs on it

Wish theyd just give us more options for the killer tbh

[short whale]

If the 2 we have are the only options, I'm def voting #2

[modest gull]

Same.

[tropic willow]

At least the community will probably fix it with some dope skins in the future

[short whale]

Which BHVR will then meatify lol

[tropic willow]

Im fine with meatifying i just dont like its almost always humanoid

[short whale]

I honestly think the materials we were given were kinda the problem

They're too busy and cluttered

Do we really need like 4 colours jammed in?

I think the blue is too much personally

Just my opinion

I'd be happier if it was just white + yellow + meat

Are we sure we can't convince BHVR to go back to a different colour scheme?

[native crypt]

I lowkey thought the angel wasn't gonna have a weapon.

Besides that. I think the first one of the angel looks better...

[short whale]

Same. I thought it would be like a Sadako m1. I hope it's at least like Spirit where the weapon appears when you m1

[tropic willow]

Same i like the insectiod looking one or the other one that had eyes

[molten cloak]

just me or does anybody else agree we should call the killer “The Grimore”

[short whale]

That doesn't make any sense...

[molten cloak]

but it’s the grimoire

[short whale]

Grimoire is a book

[tropic willow]

Nah theyll probably just reuse the grimoire as a title for if they do this again

[short whale]

Be like naming a killer "the UI" or "the menu screen"

[tropic willow]

Or as a perk name

[molten cloak]

the dead by daylight

[short whale]

that'd be fire

[twin laurel]

I am excited, no matter what gets chosen I think this chapter will be awesome

It oozes aura

[short whale]

So soul died when Ginger man was thrown into the void

RIP

[twin laurel]

100% cooked with the weapons, leaning towards the staff being my fav

[short whale]

When are we going to get Mathieu Coté as a killer?

We got Nic Cage so it's possible

[fickle scarab]

Reminds me more of an artificer or wizard

[tropic willow]

Either way its the best combo out of the options if you ask me

[exotic ember]

guys whjere do i go to vote

[tropic willow]

No where the vote doesnt start till tomorrow

[gaunt dawn]

They got people hyped

[gaunt dawn]

We got him as survivor. Thats dwight

[tropic willow]

I just hope this combo wins for survivor

[gaunt dawn]

if we do that then we cant call other grimoire killers "the grimoire"

[gaunt dawn]

oh did you edit both together?

[tropic willow]

Mhm

[gaunt dawn]

thats a fantastic edit. Can you do a couple for me?

[tropic willow]

Possibly

[gaunt dawn]

I want to see what her other cosmetic with the glasses would look like together

[molten cloak]

we can have one be The Grim and the other The Oire

[tropic willow]

Smh

[tropic willow]

Which one? Also tbh i wouldnt mind the glasses with the one i chose i just like the kinda fortune teller gypsy look since its very on brand for arcane investigator and horror as a whole with how often they have them in horror media

[gaunt dawn]

Well firstly, I think why not both.
Secondly Im talking about the other doctor/cleric looking one with the glasses option

hang on, Ill grab a screengrab

I just want to see how they go together.

To be honest Id go with any head option

I do have gimp, I could try to see if I could just splice it in there

[fresh dawn]

Yess omg i love that

[gaunt dawn]

thank you, you are much faster than I am at that

[stiff pollen]

I would like the second one if the cape thingy was longer

[gaunt dawn]

she looks kinda cute with the glasses

[tropic willow]

Those are normally only that long its a type of victorian clothing

I still prefer this combo personally

Its gonna suck if the headband wins but the white outfit does since they wont match

I just want her to be a wise old fortune teller

Fits with the theme a lot imo

[gaunt dawn]

With the survivor options I dont know why we cant have both, both are great

skins, skins give us options

with killer its going to be a bit tougher

With the killer our options fundamentally change the feel of the killer, not even in a minor way but a major way

[opal adder]

when is this diva gonna be in the game?

[wispy crypt]

SHE WON???🙏

[gaunt dawn]

yeah! lol, if you have any more questions I can help catch you up to speed

[wispy crypt]

I just needed to know that the best killer and survivor won 🥹

[gaunt dawn]

currently the community is torn between the killer design because of how different they are, some want more of the red fleshyness, others want more blue, some want the angel to look more visceral while others want the killer to be more ethereal

[wispy crypt]

Killer options were all good but I want a fan of most of the survivors

[gaunt dawn]

So far practically everything Ive ever wanted won

Ive never won this much

[wispy crypt]

I think a more ethereal design is nice but ofc this is dbd and flesh leaking out of literally everything is a common theme LMAO

[tropic willow]

The diva?

[heady pier]

What killers

[gaunt dawn]

Im more of a fan of the ethereal form too, I want left to win

[wispy crypt]

Left is nice but I love the legs on the right one LMAO

[gaunt dawn]

I personally voted on middle but left is good too

[tropic willow]

I dont like either tbh 😭 i like more aspects of the right one but i absolutely hate the leg design on it and like the legs on the left more

[wispy crypt]

The head was so funny but I'm a bit glad he didnt win

[tropic willow]

He made more sense as a genie killer

[gaunt dawn]

I do think they should revisit head sometime

Id like to see it like a polterguest

[tropic willow]

They said theyd re use ideas from it later

[wispy crypt]

My favourite might actually be the middle but they're similar anyway

[heady pier]

How do I vote I’m kinda new sorry 😭

[wispy crypt]

Check channel desc

I think we're voting on like designs for the killer and survivor that won right now

[tropic willow]

Voting starts tomorrow or later today i guess

[heady pier]

Wait huh….

[wispy crypt]

I'm so happy with the winning survivor

[heady pier]

Lowkey fried

[gaunt dawn]

Anyone ever play haunting starring the polterguy?

For the sega genesis

the enemy from that would go well with head design

[wispy crypt]

I dont think voting has started again yet

[wispy crypt]

I love this she looks like a medium lmfao

[gaunt dawn]

Ive got the official website on autorefresh so I can catch it as soon as it goes live

[tropic willow]

Thats exactly why i want it!

[wispy crypt]

She just randomly stops the killer

"Come child, let me see whats in your future."

[gaunt dawn]

I like that this looks equal parts cleric and scientist

thank you toast for the edit

We should have both though

The killer is the more hotly debated one

[wispy crypt]

This is probably one of the better "votes" for a cosmetic in a community huh

(Cough Minecraft)

[gaunt dawn]

This so far has gone over far better than minecraft mob votes

lol, we both thought the same thing

[wispy crypt]

I will always hate mob votes

[gaunt dawn]

part of it is unlike minecraft, these concepts they said they might revisit in the future. Plus we have voted every step of the way. This was for more complex

[wispy crypt]

I do hope they revisit some of these

[gaunt dawn]

Id love to see the head on an eldritch being for example

[wispy crypt]

Its sad to see great concepts get abandoned

[gaunt dawn]

Id also like to see the black old guy return and the ginger

[uneven ember]

option 2 for the killer design is easily the better choice.

[wispy crypt]

Like that really good SABLE SKIN with the blue hair.

[gaunt dawn]

Hotly debated between the 2 killer designs. I personally like the more ethereal look

Everyone has their own idea on what the killer should be. and we havent even covered the weapon in this particular string of convo

[wispy crypt]

If they go with the ethereal design they need to make it work in dark areas and actually scary

[uneven ember]

is voting active? i cant find it\

[wispy crypt]

Not atm

[uneven ember]

aww

[gaunt dawn]

I personally want to go with staff and ethereal option number 1

[wispy crypt]

I love the middle staff omg

[gaunt dawn]

the middle is not a staff, look at the glowing parts on the mini model

[wispy crypt]

Oh

Thats considerably less cool LMFAO

[gaunt dawn]

the weapon type you choose is going to be more important than the details of it because of the implication of skins

the choices are from left to right, Hammer, Flail, staff

[wispy crypt]

So we have a flesh hammer, a flail, and a battle axe staff thing

[gaunt dawn]

Im going with staff personally

[wispy crypt]

Yeah I like the staff

[gaunt dawn]

staff looks regal

[wispy crypt]

Flail would have been nice if it like

Wasn't a flail

[gaunt dawn]

you are not the only one at a glance who thought it was a different kind of staff

flail and staff are the most debated among so far

hammer does not seem popular overall, with many saying it just doesnt fit the killer based on its concept

[wispy crypt]

Yeah I cant imagine that thing beating people with a sledge hammer

[gaunt dawn]

Although my choice is staff, I have to admit, I really like the faces on the flail

I wish the faces on the flail were on the legs of option 1 killer

[wispy crypt]

Yes💔 💔

[exotic ember]

guys can we please vote the 2nd angel design and the staff for its weapon

[gaunt dawn]

can you try one more concept for me, this time killer. I dont care if it looks sloppy.

Can you get the picture of killer one, replace the faces on its knees with the faces on the flail and put the staff by it?

[tropic willow]

https://tenor.com/view/master-finish-finished-working-over-gif-27234987

[gaunt dawn]

lol love you

[tropic willow]

After this killer match ill see if i can

This was me editing the parts i like of both together (i dont like the head for either i just want a non humanoid head of some kind)

[gaunt dawn]

I want this face on 1s knees

[sour skiff]

It still got way too much going on, I thought it was going to be a fallen angel, I would most likely go with the second option

[tropic willow]

That’s what i wanted too

[gaunt dawn]

looks too visceral to me, which this game already has a lot of

[sour skiff]

The second option shows the mutation and consequences of being a fallen angel. The First option is just a angel

[gaunt dawn]

Its important to me that this killer is unlike anything weve seen before

and I am not exaggurating or overhyping, this might be one of my top 5 mains if its done right

and possibly my top 2 OG killers

[tropic willow]

I just hate the feathers on the legs

[gaunt dawn]

I just dont like the fleshy bits, its too safe

[sour skiff]

I would also probably main it, but if people go with the angel thing and not whole fallen angel and detail. I wouldn't main it and stick with demo

[gaunt dawn]

Also keep in mind, killer option 2 has muscle and a blue skeleton

[sour skiff]

Tbh, I'm just looking for detail

[gaunt dawn]

and number 2 is more likely going to walk like an actual spider

[sour skiff]

That shows that god punished it and I think mid punishment it would've been dragged into the fog.

[tropic willow]

I dont mind the rest but the feathers on the legs look hella goofy to me

[sour skiff]

Yeah but the faces on the legs redeems it for me

[gaunt dawn]

I do like all the eyes in concept 1 beneath the viel of its abdomen

[sour skiff]

Yeah but it's way to concealed. The wings or legs will just cover it

[gaunt dawn]

I do wish it was all blue instead of red though, blue, white, gold, something more akin to a deep rift skin

[gaunt dawn]

I dont think it will

the eyes on the wings are so much more subtle, it just blends in too much with the fleshyness

[sour skiff]

I think they'll make recolours or just make a legendary a bit like the houndmaster

[gaunt dawn]

thats what Im hoping for, skins will probably fix the nitpicks I have

the only unfixable things would be its weapon really, so its important to pick the right weapon

[sour skiff]

Yeah. I'm hoping the legendary would be on fire covered in eyes. Like what the bible depicted

[sour skiff]

I like the hammer, It's more mutated then the rest

[gaunt dawn]

oh btw Ill bring up a heated debate from earlier.

Apparently a lot of people are torn saying they dont like boobs on this killer even though it will likely keep its other feminine features

thoughts?

[sour skiff]

I mean they did pick the stiletto and it looked feminine, so what did they expect?

[gaunt dawn]

no I get where they are coming from. A few people wanted the angel to be androdynous.

Now to play devils advocate which I do a lot, In some depictions angels are transexual and they have ALL the parts

I dont feel strongly about it but a flatter chest is probably better IMO

[tacit lion]

What the new killer's power would be?

[sour skiff]

Well they can't exactly make a male body with female parts, I mean the d can't be there or the game might just get censored or removed in countries.

[gaunt dawn]

Light beam, purgatory

[sour skiff]

Torture and the goku's beam

[gaunt dawn]

Making her flat chested wont be censored I dont think

[sour skiff]

Yeah, so they did the safest choice and just gave it one feminine part. But I think the voice will be really deep or like Gabriel's voice in ultrakill

[gaunt dawn]

and I say her but I mean it

[tacit lion]

Is it gonna be released with trickster's rework?

[gaunt dawn]

I imagine very feminine overall, like a bishonen

[sour skiff]

Probably not

[gaunt dawn]

no, its still a few months away and we arent even done with all the voting

Flat chest denies it being outwardly female and blurs the lines of gender/sex

[sour skiff]

Imagine the angel just like a femboy. When you say hello girl to the femboy it'll turn around and talk to you in the deepest voice and they'll have the most masculine face