ptb-discussion

[echo dune]

He is only strong if you can hit his m2

[old meteor]

True

[quiet geyser]

Not nurse level strong but yeah strong

[jade laurel]

Basement hooks would be so strong ngl

[quiet geyser]

Definitely getting nerfed lol

[jade laurel]

I like the perks they seem pretty okay

[round crow]

new nancy is actually so adorable 😭

[flint oyster]

lowkey yeah

something like thwack pop nth and brutal with maybe pizza goggles should be a good build

[quiet geyser]

Everything is ok imo just need to nerf the addons

[celest hare]

Peak new animations too

[flint oyster]

ehhh imo he has like a couple really fucking good addons and a good spread of really shit ones

the undetectable iri feels really bad to me

[quiet geyser]

The brown addons feels iri and iri addons feels green

[flint oyster]

exactly lmfao

wrist rocket is the sort of effect that would be on a purple or an iri

and that shit is a brown

[round crow]

does anyone have a fix for the weird see through hair i've changed like every setting i have and it wont work

[quiet geyser]

Nerfing those would be pretty balanced.

They should not nerf the basekit though basekit as far as I have experienced is pretty good not really game breaking.

[flint oyster]

if theres one thing id like it would be to have more addons affect his vine attack

all you get is the iri (which is actively detrimental if you ask me) and a brown addon (which doesnt do all that much for you)

most of the addons are focused on his undergate or effects tied to worldbreaker

[charred mesa]

The game just looks like that I fear

[viscid mesa]

lowkey Vecna (The First) is fire killer, also to survive longer against him you have 2 options:
A. Stealth
B. Haste perks

[round crow]

need to find the guy who insists on cranking every hair models opacity up

[formal moss]

what are the best perks for venca (the first)

[cold sonnet]

i love how not playing vecna on ptb gets you free hate comments

[tame rapids]

please chris hair is literally transparent

they used all the budget for Carlos Oliveira

[formal moss]

vecna needs an hard nerf

[hollow island]

i mean when on ptb why not playing new content?

[cold sonnet]

trying the new perks on a different killer

so yes i am playing the new content

[hollow island]

fair i just never play killer

[viscid mesa]

nah, a slight nerf seems better choice than this
his M2 is strong ngl

[formal moss]

he's so OP

[tame rapids]

ragebait championship

[formal moss]

what are the best perks for venca (the first)

[celest hare]

😭

[viscid mesa]

Turn Back the Clock and Secret Project

[quiet geyser]

Nah he isn't.

[viscid mesa]

you know he can't hurt you with his power as long he doesn't enter world breaker mode and you don't have 4 tokens of mind breaker

[quiet geyser]

Undergate is very hard to land lol. Just hold w

[hollow island]

everyone says this on the first 2 days of ptb cuz no one knows counterplay...

hes kinda annoying to play against cuz i have the reaction time of a 80 year old with alzheimers...

[viscid mesa]

it's effective when it comes to indoor maps but still you have time to react so that's true

[quiet geyser]

Plus since he is 4.4 if you miss your power ur gonna get slowed very hard

[tame rapids]

he has a really big range but that just solves the problem of him being turned into a slower pyramid head

😭

[quiet geyser]

Yeah but that big range isn't even that good when it's so slow lol. But definitely very powerful in indoor maps

[tame rapids]

those are the type of abilities that are just as good as the player who's using them

it's a matter of practice and being dedicated to learning it

[viscid mesa]

to be honset, if anyone wants to use that long range, they need aura reading perks to land it right

[tame rapids]

on paper it's not broken for sure though

[quiet geyser]

I think he should be 4.6 lowkey

[quiet geyser]

Yeah I might as well just use it for mobility instead of trying to land it lol. His vine attack is way more effective

[viscid mesa]

the iri add-on for double vine attacks does give you a chance to get closer to the survivors to be honst with ya

[astral cipher]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1367971483606978641/1384529154556301342/trailer_funny.gif

[flint oyster]

me when i lie

(he can hurt you regardless of your tokens if he's in worldbreaker. having 4 tokens means he instantly enters worldbreaker if he hits you with his power outside it and gives him access to the minimori though)

[astral cipher]

The whole token system is cool but very unintuitive

[flint oyster]

yeah it would be great if the game actually fucking told you what triggers worldbreaker

(the three triggers are:

• a survivor reaches 2 tokens
• a survivor reaches 4 tokens
• a survivor who already has 4 tokens gets tokens from any source)

[astral cipher]

Basically on every even-numbered token

[verbal oak]

is it just me or do i feel like the killer is so slow

[astral cipher]

The segments are marked in a different shape for them

[celest hare]

Oh what I thought it was if he just gets two tokens on anyone and then the 4 token only 1 needed thing

[astral cipher]

Vecna(2) is 4.4 if that’s what you mean

[celest hare]

I didn't play him yet but

[viscid mesa]

ok that's better way to say it

[verbal oak]

sorry i mant in like abilities yk

[astral cipher]

I mean yeah

He’s slowdowned while charging up his attack, like most killers are

And as he should be

[flint oyster]

the wiki has it, he gets like 70% of his base speed while holding it and even slower when hes casting

[verbal oak]

like when u use the vine attack (the attack from below) it take abput a second or so to hit a gen or break a pallet or m1

[flint oyster]

so yeah if a vecna holds vine you can just outrun him

[hard harbor]

is there a new gen rush perk combo or something cause my last 2 games they 5 genned in no joke 5 minutes

[flint oyster]

theres two new teamwork perks that add some generic (and pretty bad) effects on top of being half a prove thyself

[hard harbor]

and thats just 2 perks that doesnt include other gen speed up perks and toolboxes im guessing?

[flint oyster]

yeah

hold on no i misread they're each 5% to you if you're on a gen with someone else

so if you run those two and prove you give everyone on a gen 10%

[celest hare]

Are they actually an issue? Is using 2 perks for it over other perks actually better? I see it as if they're not equal or better than what you can already do then it's whatever

[flint oyster]

they're not significantly better no

i think theyre just running standard genrush builds with Change of Plans to turn the toolbox into a medkit when that becomes useful

[celest hare]

His chase music is actually really good imo, I only question if it's fitting

[hard harbor]

whats the current "meta" for vecna, is there any build that people r running the majority of the time?

[flint oyster]

he mostly enjoys aura read perks, other than that he's pretty typical

undetectable can be nice too

he has solid mobility with his upside down traversal so a kick heavy build of pop thwack brutal and stuff like that isnt out of the question either

[hard harbor]

on maps with multiple levels he is insane at 3 genning, ive noticed he can use his power up but not down

[flint oyster]

yeah he has ridiculous 3gen potential, slugs really well, and can do wonderful totem defense

his teachables work super well for him and i think he's going to be one of the easier adepts to score

[round crow]

nurses calling

[flint oyster]

and yeah stealth + nurse's calling is ridiculous on him

[round crow]

dark devotion has been working great for me too

[flint oyster]

oh right yeah dark devotion pops even off of m2s right

[round crow]

cause they can hear your wooshing in the upside down if you have absolutely no TR

[round crow]

yup

[celest hare]

Guys shouldn't his burrowing mode 100% have a lullaby? At least for accessibility

[round crow]

i mean its not like spring traps footsteps trigger lullaby

[flint oyster]

yeah i think its fair theres a pretty obvious visual cue as well

its kind of hard to miss the person-sized black hole on the floor that quickly expands when he actually start attacking

[brittle mantle]

I haven’t seemed to be able to time it yet. Seems like it takes way too long to activate before survivors get out or range but maybe that’s just me

[celest hare]

It can be very hidden, it 100% feels lullaby-y

Like just the lullaby visual indicator thing at a fair distance is all I mean, like with Victor

The First as a name grew on me

PTB 2v8 opens in 3h 38m?

[subtle zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/vecna-stranger-things-vecna-stranger-things-5-vecna-stranger-things-netflix-stranger-things-gif-15840417417763522398

[celest hare]

I actually really like his terror radius and it feels very fitting in like an oddly specific can't describe way, but also like it might not be fitting, what do ST fans think

Imagine having a pregame chat function and not using it, are PC players stupid

[rugged lion]

they made nancy so ugly

[celest hare]

False

If you've never seen og DBD Nancy/get over the jarring difference she looks really good

Like look at this and tell me she's 'ugly' or it doesn't look like her (it's still dbd it's insanely rare for it to look 100% like whoever)

[celest hare]

I love Nancy it's making me wanna main her loll

[limber tiger]

Its like Quentin, old quentin just didn't look right now he seems good

[cold sonnet]

been trying out vecna add ons

some of these are like.. stupid good

[celest hare]

Oh my god I read this like you were saying you don't appreciate old Quentin until he's changed 😆

I was thinking "this Quentin " lolll

[limber tiger]

I loved that gremlin

[celest hare]

He did look hilarious

What an insult to his actor LMAO likeness or not

[flint oyster]

yeah i think this is gonna be the build i roll with

pain res dms for the slowdown, secret project for the stealth off of dms, i'm all ears for aura reading in chase for hits
spider for information, rollerskates to make catching up better after undergate

[cold sonnet]

I'd probably go electrode cap over spider

[flint oyster]

hmm, i'll have to give it a try, thank you for the suggestion

im actually not sure what the default CD for undergate is

[cold sonnet]

electrode cap is less "on demand" than spider but starting the unskippable last part of worldbreaker with a free bbq is big

[flint oyster]

wiki says 35 secs? you should be able to pop it twice in one worldbreaker even if they speed through the duration

[flint oyster]

ok thats a good argument ill try out how he feels when you swap the two

[rugged lion]

Turn Back the Clock actually seems kinda crap compared to Pop

[flint oyster]

its an option for low mobility killers but it gets shit on by indoor maps

imo you either run pop if you have the mobility for it, or pain res if you don't

[cold sonnet]

on its own yeah

but turn + DMS is a semi remote gen block

[static scaffold]

when is the chapter 2 releasing from ptb to regular game?

[flint oyster]

wait, you can do TBTC even if theyre on the gen?

[limber tiger]

27th

[static scaffold]

alr tysm

[cold sonnet]

yes unless my memory plays tricks on me

pretty sure i tested that sometime yesterday

[celest hare]

Why doesn't it just let you use it through walls but at a shorter range maybe

[astral cipher]

I don’t even think the shorter range is necessary

[crimson nova]

Guys how do you counter vecnussy

[trail surge]

Throw your keyboard across your room

[astral cipher]

Predict and juke the vines, prerun the puddle and use clocks

[trail surge]

No but in all seriousness keep distance, get the clock, pray hes not tunneling you and bring a veil also always be looking around you especially at the floor

[crimson nova]

Oh yeah just be megamind i guess

[flint oyster]

prerun puddle, mindgame him when vines come up
if you're swf only have one person sit on clocks during worldbreaker because the speedup doesnt get much better if multiple people do it

if one person is on it you go through the 60 second duration at 9x speed
if two do you only get 12x

[trail surge]

But the vines have a lingering hitbox so I wouldn’t expect much

[gray horizon]

get u sb vigil and start pre running across the map everytime

[trail surge]

Why didn’t they give vecna his own dimension

[crimson nova]

Ah ok

[astral cipher]

Because that’s booked behind the divine killer

[trail surge]

But i mean it would work hella cool if they gave him like the pyramid weird hook except you’d have to like f with the clock or something

[astral cipher]

Okay

[trail surge]

Who is that btw im so not up to date with this game

[celest hare]

I kinda doubt that's why no?

[astral cipher]

The killer from the grimoire AKA “shape your own chapter thing”

Where we vote for the contents of a future original chapter

[trail surge]

Will they be able to still add it or they are turning it in

[astral cipher]

Could you rephrase the question I don’t get it

[trail surge]

Hes saying that it’s probably not the reason why

[astral cipher]

I mean it’s just a theory idk

Maybe they just didn’t want to who cares atp

The power we got is cool

[cold sonnet]

this is how i currently feel about the add-ons, although i feel like the razor blade can get a lot more value than it did for me so far

[west skiff]

Alt f4

[cold sonnet]

admittedly, while some add ons like the roller skate and the skateboard feel very straightforward in how good/bad they are, a lot of these add-ons seem like their value has a massive range depending on how well and actively they are utilised

[teal hollow]

even without open handed
what is the point in running clairvoyance or still sight

[astral cipher]

Can you see the hatch with that thing

[cold sonnet]

yes

[astral cipher]

Lmao

[teal hollow]

every single aura

• it gives you one of the best stealth perks in the game on demand

[astral cipher]

It’s funny how this perk is not even really overpowered or anything, it’s just a generally great info perk

[teal hollow]

it is pretty overpowered or more like powercreep

[cold sonnet]

i have a surv build that is purely for obtaining lots of info when playing solo, now i can just use extrasensory, open handed and two actually useful perks 😭

[celest hare]

Open handed is a dumb perk

[astral cipher]

Stealth?

[teal hollow]

elusive

[celest hare]

I didn't even realise that combo

[astral cipher]

But only while crouching, no?

[teal hollow]

still on demand?
its like that one leon perk

[cold sonnet]

elusive is still very strong even with that condition

[teal hollow]

counters every aura perk in the game and can allow you to stealth even against nth

[cold sonnet]

get hit in chase -> run -> crouch and you are incredibly hard to find

[astral cipher]

You’re not getting far away while crouching

[cold sonnet]

pair with urban and you can literally make distance

[astral cipher]

It sounds cool but I can’t see it being an actually viable strategy

[cold sonnet]

dont need to get that far when you

1. dont make sound
2. dont leave pools of blood
3. cant be aura read

[celest hare]

I run a genrush toolbox on the ptb for when the build calls for it, but forget to change it when I change my build and then feel guilty lol

[brittle mantle]

What’s the trick to hitting the undergate? I feel like everyone can just prerun out before I get it off

[astral cipher]

Killer is chasing you using scratch marks

Scratch marks disappear

Killer’s gonna look around

[celest hare]

What do you think of open handed umm eleven crouch perk inner strength and urban evasion lol, just to get most value

[teal hollow]

gen stealthing is instantly made viable against any perk

killer is about to hook and ik they have bbq? i just crouch
hatch standoff? i have stealth and i see the aura of it

[flint oyster]

idk i just did a game with itand i feel like i didnt get much value out of electrode cap compared to spider

[astral cipher]

Catch them off guard, there isn’t really a way of hitting it without relying on survivor mistakes

[celest hare]

Ace's perks need a rework bruh

[teal hollow]

i agree its not an instant hide perk but its really good if you play passive

[flint oyster]

gutted supercom does not feel very good for me because it doesnt really led you get the followup shot you're looking for

1.5 seconds is just not enough to work with and limiting it to outside worldbreaker makes it even worse

it might be okay with lethal though

[astral cipher]

It also doesn’t stack with lethal

Lmao

[flint oyster]

oh it doesnt then? then yeah it sucks

smashed cassette deck basically just lets you get your first worldbreaker with 1 less vine attack but i feel like that isnt as big of a timesave as it looks
reduced clocks is a bit helpful i guess

[teal hollow]

the fact it can see any aura too is weird
why should still sight not be able to see totems but a perk with more range + another passive effect+ lets you move albeit slowly while using it, lets you see totems and every other aura can

[mellow terrace]

can someone report connection issues to dbd because i am literally not able to play ptb but i can play current version

[flint oyster]

imo bead maze is also worth pushing up

it's a +20% to your power duration in the worst case scenario and the fact that it scales down with dead survs doesnt matter because if there are dead survs it is way harder for them to find the time to work on clocks meaning you get more time anyway

stained glass mural might be a bit better if you run it with a pallet break build

you need to consider that it chops off effectively a third of the cooldown

[cold sonnet]

gonna try bead maze a bit more

[flint oyster]

those 12 seconds can really make a difference from what ive seen

im mostly flipflopping between spider+rollerskates and spider+mural atm

[celest hare]

This chapter is clearly pave way-y and I love it

[foggy tusk]

where do i get the ptb

pc btw

[worn bluff]

anyone know a good vecna build I can use :33

[cold sonnet]

yeah so looking at some clips and recordings i took and checking when what addon gave me value, this is the trend i am feeling right now

[cold sonnet]

pain reso, grim, predator/im all ears, lethal is what i am mostly running at the moment

[hasty crescent]

$ptb

[dusty edge]

Learn about PTBs here: :link: https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/358-ptbs

[flint oyster]

yeah i agree on this for the most part

[foggy tusk]

tyty

[flint oyster]

ngl i think if theres a single change id like for vecna

[cold sonnet]

i am wondering if there is some actual decent way to use the glasses but at the moment hey feel actual garbage

[flint oyster]

its to have him have his upside down charge filled at match start

[limpid crag]

No fuck you

[cold sonnet]

change the skateboard to give him insta upside down at the start

make that add on actually do something useful

[flint oyster]

lowkey not that stupid though i feel it could use some minor extra effect on top

[cold sonnet]

upside down at the start and make it reset on hook

[celest hare]

I'm worried the Vecnas that I go against just aren't like, amazing, and he's actually busted but just hard to be that good at

This is probably the craziest DBD chapter rn

Minors, completely game changing feeling power lol

[hasty crescent]

imo it's a good start if at release he doesn't feel too overwhelming regardless of who is playing him

[celest hare]

New status effect

[cold sonnet]

i feel like he is in a good spot currently

[hasty crescent]

with some killers they've had so much going on when they got released that it wasn't really fun playing against them because of the lack of skill expression

so far i've seen comments on how some aspects of his kit are way too underwhelming and some comments that he keeps getting free hit's etc

[cold sonnet]

his m2 is both punishing with lack of skill and very rewarding with high skill, but its also not entirely useless for the average player

[mossy vine]

I agree, he feels like a pretty solid A tier killer imo

[viscid mesa]

Basically Pinhead m2 but also different in ways if you know what I mean

[hasty crescent]

yeah, it looks like that he doesn't really need big changes from his current state

[mossy vine]

as a pinhead main I think vecna's vine is a bit easier at first but i can see the comparison

pinhead chain can be very disorienting

[teal hollow]

this with deadlock or grim is gonna be so cool

[mossy vine]

grim embrace just gives you insta undecteable

wait no

wrong perk lmao, i meant corrupt intervention

[celest hare]

Read everything you guys are all correct 😌

[celest hare]

Y'know I get the confusion with the names I think

[mossy vine]

[celest hare]

Similar vibe??

GHOUL IN THE PTB, GET ABSOLUTELY FUCKED LMAO easiest dc of my life

[mossy vine]

Third seal makes you unable to see clock right? Since vecna is such a good totem defender you could probably run a very mean hex build to keep worldbreaker on constantly

[mossy vine]

LOL, i was thinking of playing the lich to troll

[limpid crag]

No it's a white aura not affected by blindness

[mossy vine]

aw damn

well then you just have to run the clock aura addon and stop them by force

[celest hare]

I wouldn't be mad hahaa

[celest hare]

I'd think not cause it's a ki- nvm someone said it

[mossy vine]

I think the razor addon is actually really good, it has stopped a bunch of healing in my games after unhooks mainly

[viscid mesa]

I wonder how broken Zanshin Tactics and I'm all ears gonna be on Vecna?

[celest hare]

Scary. lol

[viscid mesa]

Indeed

[mossy vine]

prolly very strong but my fav build is def hex

remote defending totems is very fun

[viscid mesa]

To be honest, the new hex perks are amazing I can't lie and they help a lot with hex builds

[limber ridge]

do we know if streetwise's effects stay on the item if change of plan is used]

[viscid mesa]

However the new survivor perks aren't that much to say only a few tho that are worth it, also funny how we got chemical trap 2

[mossy vine]

hive mind is a pretty alright hex perk yeah

[mossy vine]

now you can run chem on windows, chem on pallets and slow on flash

[tame widget]

What are y’all’s thoughts on turn back the clock?

[limber ridge]

highly situational

[mossy vine]

it's nice if you get in a chase when going to the gen but otherwise i'd probably prefer pop

[formal saddle]

how’s everyone feel about the characters? i mean, not really perks but more so character design/ voices.

[tame widget]

We need chem on chests

[mossy vine]

how would that even work 😭

[tame widget]

It’s a killer perk

[mossy vine]

finally we can defend the chests from survivors

[tame widget]

The most important objective

[viscid mesa]

And we have champion of light so that's gonna be crazy slow down build lmao

[mossy vine]

yeah that's the slow on flash i mentioned

[cold sonnet]

yeah like these chases are incredibly fun, skill expression on both sides very possibel (also predator is definitely one of the best perks for this killer)

[tame widget]

I thought at first look I thought he suffered from the nurse problem of just ignoring most counter play

[mossy vine]

I think this is a pretty good tierlist tho I think razor is really good

[proven lake]

yeah I agree he’s super fun to play against and play with

[mossy vine]

I love razor

[cold sonnet]

yeah i wanna test razor a bit more

[mossy vine]

razor has stopped a bunch of healing after unhook in my games

[cold sonnet]

i think it can be very strong in the right situations, just a question of how likely to get into these situations

[mossy vine]

i usually run it with neck tendril so it gets to activate more

very good antiheal without any perks commited

[cold sonnet]

i would only run either tbh, and neck tendril is like stupid good heal slowdown alone

[mossy vine]

I think the main thing that sets razor apart from many other addons that make you broken is that it's not on hit but after your power ends which usually has made it occur much more when they are actually trying to heal instead of running out when they try to heal

[cold sonnet]

my current issue with both tendril and razor is that vecna is extremely good at committing to chases since there is no loop in the game thats an issue for him, so add ons that "rely" on injuring multiple people felt a bit meh so far

[viscid mesa]

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[mossy vine]

well the thing is that razor has been most important in preventing resetting after unhook, so im still commiting to chases

because I find that my worldbreaker often ends close to unhooks

[cold sonnet]

this is amazing

[mossy vine]

wow Vecnussy's gaming truly is a stranger thing

[mossy vine]

which gives you a lot of pressure since they cant reset the person with hooks

[cold sonnet]

yeah i might consider it as a C tier add on but it also has a perfectly fixed timer so once survivors know its in play, i feel like it can be too easy to avoid

oh worldbreaker ending soon? we know razor is in play so just dont waste time trying to heal and get away

[strange coyote]

Does Nancy and Steve will receive new skins when the 9.4 will come out ??

[celest hare]

Would be awesome

Nothing's confirmed tho

[cold sonnet]

yeah i would probably put it here

[limber ridge]

how is shattered wrist rocket a c tier addon? thats a automatic gen kick and pallet destroyer

[cold sonnet]

1. it doesnt work with any other effect related to kicking/breaking
2. it's more of a nice side effect, actively hitting gens and/or pallets is not gonna be a great choice

[limber ridge]

but not having to spend time breaking stuff at the start of a chase is incredibly good, its why ruin is so popular

[cold sonnet]

there are perks that let you have passive slowdown and are way better at that

also instant pallet break is a really strong thing dont get me wrong, just not on the a killer that can shoot through loops

[boreal field]

Yo I know the vecna mori is lore accurate but is it just me who thinks its extremely mid 😭

[cold sonnet]

i got quad BNP on ptb 🥀

[heady panther]

Guys why's there NO balance updates on perks - killer changes - anti tunneling or slugging - MMR updates on the PTB??
Is it just the new chapter and 2v8?!

[astral cipher]

Yes

[cold sonnet]

hmm i might push down wrist rocket another step

[heady panther]

That's too bad bro. I thought they delayed it from the last update 9.3 to 9.4 but still nothing...
Also I'm the original Nemo btw 😁

[astral cipher]

Uhhhh

I don’t think so buddy

Those anti-stuff features are scrapped btw, you should’ve have expected them in the first place

[heady panther]

They said they'll implement MMR update instead and few adjustments to anti slugging n tunneling

[astral cipher]

MMR update has been announced alongside those features, it’s been planned for a while

It’s supposed to be released this spring iirc

[brittle valley]

the first is the first killer since the nurse to just be able to ignore windows and pallets and walls completely. i don't know why bhvr made another power like that when the community has been complaining about nurse for 9 years now but hey, hes here.

[heady panther]

We're getting a new realm with new gameplay features - MMR system - alot of QoL features in march update so (new survivor too)

[astral cipher]

We have an update before and after that one

[limber ridge]

this feature actually went through in 9.3

[astral cipher]

What feature

[limber ridge]

endurance and haste for 15 seconds after being unhooked

[astral cipher]

Uhhhhh

It was 30 on the ptb

[limber ridge]

probably someone using borrowed time then

[astral cipher]

And still that’s like 1/10 of the stuff that was originally present on that ptb

[astral cipher]

What

[limber ridge]

borrowed time is a perk that adds an additional 10 seconds when the person using it unhooks someone

[astral cipher]

I know that, what does it have to do with the discussion

[limber ridge]

your saying it was 30 seconds, so most likely someone used borrowed time which stacks with the default 15 seconds for a total of 25

[astral cipher]

No it was just 30 seconds by default on that ptb

Borrowed Time got reworked into a completely different perk on that same ptb

I believe the rework got through

[limber ridge]

none of the perk reworks went through

the buffs and nerfs did but the reworks didnt

[astral cipher]

Okay yeah it didn’t

Well that was a weird conversation

[limber ridge]

actually wait i think deerstalkers did if that was the same ptb

[astral cipher]

Deerstalker was reworked can confirm

[cold sonnet]

i think those are the add on combos i would recommend in otz website style

[limber ridge]

oh i know it was i just cant remember if it was that ptb

[cold sonnet]

skates just so stupid good man

[tame widget]

It feels much more an counter-able and balanceable at least.

[limber ridge]

until someone takes im all ears

[brittle valley]

yeah because people have been playing him for a grand total of like 2 hours at this point compared to the thousands of hours people have been playing nurse. just wait until people actually get good at him

[cold sonnet]

i mean high skill expression is not really a sign of bad design

power feels like a great opportunity for both sides to express skill

[meager drift]

Quite the opposite lol

[cold sonnet]

?

[proven lake]

Not really

[brittle valley]

not saying that, i'm saying that powers like his and nurse are bad design

[cold sonnet]

are you trying to say that a high skill ceiling is bad design?

[meager drift]

Agreed, Henry’s power definitely has a lot of room for expression

[cold sonnet]

oh wait i misunderstood you sorry

[meager drift]

All good

[cold sonnet]

yeah feels great to figure out

[cold sonnet]

i personally disagree but i can see disliking loopbreaking powers

i think those powers bring a nice skill dynamic into the game

[meager drift]

Yes really. High skill expression is definitely a sign of good design, as long as theyre equalized through a medium skill floor

[proven lake]

oh that’s what you meant, you just worded it weirdly lol

[meager drift]

Oh alright lmao

[cold sonnet]

we both misunderstood it in the same way

[meager drift]

That would be my fault then

[proven lake]

haha no worries

[cold sonnet]

nah all good

its the common issue of not being able to add tone in text xD

[meager drift]

Yep

No clue broski, ask in #game-questions

[proven lake]

better to ask in #game-questions

[echo dune]

Oh wrong channel mb

[proven lake]

snap 😂

[cold sonnet]

okay lets jumpscare some people

[limber ridge]

overture and thrilling tremors also work really well with secret project

[cold sonnet]

kinda wanna try deadlock so they dont even know where i am when i get undetectable

[limber ridge]

i wonder if something like deadlock can cause 2 gens to be blocked if a totem is removed with it

[glossy ether]

alongside the original characters, will all stranger things characters get a hellfire shirt?

[cold sonnet]

i mean deadlock blocks one, secret project will block a second yeah

[fluid fern]

L

[fluid fern]

This should literally be an iridescent. I want whatever you're smoking

[subtle zephyr]

Dont complain

We are able to get it easily now

[fluid fern]

I will complain, this killer is absurd

[subtle zephyr]

You can just counter the killer by holding W

[fluid fern]

There is 0 interaction in chase.

It's extremely boring

[rugged lion]

yeah they need to cooldown his abilities. Shouldn't be spammable

[subtle zephyr]

To be fair they did say they gonna fix some stuff so it's probably increasing the rarity of that add on unfortunately

[fluid fern]

We have another case of a killer getting entire perks as add-ons

with a chase power that ignores the rules of the game

[subtle zephyr]

Vecna has a machine gun with no cooldown

While traversing the upside down he can also go through pallets and doors

Totally balanced

[rugged lion]

also some maps are WAY too damn small for all these fucking speedy killers.

[fluid fern]

There is nothing interesting this killer does. It's nurse blink with a required survivor slowdown mechanic. And he has essentially an unmissable attack from a movement secondary ability

[cold sonnet]

i think you are heavily overestimating the value this has on henry himself

[fluid fern]

its free regression

[cold sonnet]

IF you hit a gen

and its not even good regression, its a basic, unbuffed kick

[fluid fern]

oh so you dont patrol generators to find survivors

[cold sonnet]

ofc you do, but you want to follow the survivors and undergate, not stick around to hit the gen

[fluid fern]

my b, better use it into the corner of egemap, maybe the survivors are hidign there

it should be iridescent

[cold sonnet]

purposely going for gens just to use this add on is slowing yourself down for 0 value

[fluid fern]

you have brainrot

[cold sonnet]

amazing argumentation

[subtle zephyr]

And this is when BHVR says they'll fix him but then they nerf the wrong killer and buff the survivors

[cold sonnet]

always great to have intellectual conversation

[fluid fern]

the gameplay loop of this killer is to go to generators in his floor snot, then come out of it next to whatever generator the survivors are on

[violet spoke]

Remember you're undetectable, tho, so if you sneak up on a survivor on a gen you could get both

[fluid fern]

and then nurse blink down whoever doesnt have SB

[pulsar mica]

Dont forget its basically infinite aswell

[fluid fern]

maybe if you critically thougth about your own statements it would be worth having the convo

"its useless if I use my power wrong"

[cold sonnet]

[limber ridge]

interesting question, if you get all 4 survivors to 4 tokens does world breaker just permanently deactivate or can it still be triggered by hitting people

[fluid fern]

you get worldbreaker basically after hitting anyone with anything about halfway into the match

[violet spoke]

If a survivor has 4 wb tokens, I think it activates on 1 hit with them, doesn't it?

[fluid fern]

its very boring, and uninteractive

[pulsar mica]

Im already looking forward to raging at the bs vecnas gonna be able to do

[limber ridge]

im not sure

[cold sonnet]

it still activates if you hit somebody with 4 tokens

[violet spoke]

Idk, I'm glad to have more prediction killers

[limber ridge]

so even if everyones max tokens they can still accumulate them to re trigger the power got it

i was curious to see if he had a self power limit

[fluid fern]

yes, so its basically infinite if you tunnel someone or go for the same 2 people

[pulsar mica]

The issue I have with every recent killer is they’re just become too varied as in back then you had pretty linear/one dimensional killers but nowadays you have so may things to account for and so many mechanics introduced with 1 character its actually wild

[fluid fern]

very healthy design

[pulsar mica]

The design is very human

[fluid fern]

and the other survivors are forced to go to obscure parts of the map and stand still for like 20 seconds

[limber ridge]

i read that in job bots voice from job simulator lol

[violet spoke]

It's a pipeline. You go from easier, simpler killers to harder, more complicated killers

[fluid fern]

and then he instantly gets it back the next time he chases someone

[pulsar mica]

LOL

[violet spoke]

The easy killers already exist

[fluid fern]

Vecna is an easy killer

[violet spoke]

*simple, easy isn't really accurate

[pulsar mica]

I personally think the game has just come to the point where you can’t go back to simple killers they all need to have multiple aspects to them

[fluid fern]

there is no interaction. You do not have to know how to play DBD to play this killer

if you can aim 2 big circles, you can play this killer

[pearl kite]

Been a while since I did a PTB are we supposed to have lost all progress every PTB?

[violet spoke]

No? You have to predict survivor movements to hit either of your abilities, manage the undergate cooldown, and keep track of clocks

[pulsar mica]

^^

[violet spoke]

All while playing regular macro/micro

[fluid fern]

you do not have to track clocks

you only have to aim circles

[violet spoke]

It's beneficial

[cold sonnet]

i wanna try around a bit more with the iri chess piece, it can be so wonky but so fun at the same time

[violet spoke]

And with pinhead you only have to aim chains, Huntress you only have to aim hatchets, wraith you only have to bing bong your bell, there's no point here

[limber tiger]

Yeah just claim the mail and unlock a character and any outfits

[fluid fern]

you do not play survivor if you are hoenstly comparign Vecna to anythign but Nurse

there is 0 interaction in chase against this killer

Pinhead, Huntress, and Cenobite have to interact with windows, and pallets, and the sctructure of the environments

[limber ridge]

i feel like dustins scream has the potential to be an even bigger meme than steves

[fluid fern]

this killer is just: aim circle

[violet spoke]

So what's your thoughts on pyramid head, another entirely prediction based killer with a power that hits thru walls?

A killer that, mind you, stays firmly B tier

[fluid fern]

he has to interact with pallets and windows and the environment, and doesnt have a movement ability or slowdown mechanic

[fluid fern]

your opinion

[violet spoke]

Otz's opinion, generally accepted to be right

[fluid fern]

ah so every other region and every other comp player or content creator is wrong

[violet spoke]

So does vecna. I don't see the difference between circle that goes thru walls and line that goes thru walls, also he's literally got an add-on that breaks pallets

[limber tiger]

Finally, streamer opinion has dropped, now I have my opinion

[fluid fern]

You're so unserious right now if you're comparing Pyramid Head to Vecna

Vecna can shoot any elevation

and spam it with essentially no cooldown

he can miss it essentially infinitely and still be within range to hit it

[violet spoke]

You are now putting words in my mouth and this conversation is no longer logical. Have a good one, man

[fluid fern]

there is also no difference between him casting it point blank or at max range

[fluid fern]

it was never logical with any of your takes

there is travel time with Pyramid head's projectile

there is none with Vecna's

it is: aim circle and keep aiming circle until the survivor doesn't dodge

On either side of RPD he can aim it behind multiple line of sight breaks down the edge map staircases and hit survivors

it is alternative Nurse

[limber ridge]

actually there is, the amount of time it takes to get the circle to the position you want and the slight delay after activation

[fluid fern]

so the floor circle

takes longer for the damaging part to land

(the answer is no)

Aim. Circle.

[limber ridge]

it can if you have to fight the environment in the all to common in games issue of remote placing with colliding hitboxes

[fluid fern]

This is the same brainrot we had with Krasue where people could not aim with an absurdly overtuned power on the PTB

[limber ridge]

ive already had several issues accidently placing the thing elevated on something like a rock noone can stand on because it snapped

[fluid fern]

that is an aim problem

[steep stump]

Also you can run through it even when the tentacles are still there

[fluid fern]

that is not a killer power problem. Aim circle

[limber ridge]

thats because the ability already activated and missed, the visual just hasnt gone away yet

[steep stump]

yes but if you just evade and run vecna needs a lot of time to catch up

[fluid fern]

The only way to make this killer fair is to remove the ability to see the circle while channeling it

[limber ridge]

but i have similar issues with houndmaster where her dog trackings not going where i want it to cause itll snap to a nearby generator when i dont want it to or wont lock on to the gen at all when i do so i have to waste time sometimes double or triple taking it

[fluid fern]

it should be identical to Nurse. And there should be a brown add on to see the channel of the radius

[cold sonnet]

i think the attack needs a bit more delay before it actually damages

[fluid fern]

Like be so for real with this

[cold sonnet]

thats about what i would change

[fluid fern]

This should be a brown instead of whatever the hell they were thinking with Mural and Wrist Rocket

Can you imagine if Nurse or Blight damaged generators with their Blink and Rush

[steep stump]

yeah pretty much every addon of him could be rare

[fluid fern]

with a brown add on. Like are we serious?

You cannot defend this killer in his current state

[subtle zephyr]

We ready for everyone to have those brown add Ons and spamming that shit?

[fluid fern]

How about a brown add on that lets you damage generators with a Huntress hatchet

[steep stump]

Idk if it’s just that people are still just learning to play him but i haven’t had a lot of issues playing against him, fake directions when you hear the sound is the best counter

[fluid fern]

How about Doc Shock

[subtle zephyr]

Actually that's kinda balanced

[limber ridge]

honestly i now believe the gen and pallet break is pretty terrible, you have a killer with aoe attacks that can shut down looping at will, and can use the upside to ignore pallets and windows vaults entirely so breaking gens and pallets when emerging from the upside down is kinda a weak ability

[brittle swift]

The attack is on over a 30 second cooldown that is not the same scenario

[cold sonnet]

because those have the same cooldown and time effort as undergate. lol.

[fluid fern]

How about Clown can damage generators with a brown add on

[cold sonnet]

it was ragebait all along

[proven lake]

Snail seems upset that he can’t dodge

[brittle swift]

Thats what im saying this guy cannot be serious

[cold sonnet]

at the start i was like okay maybe bro just overestimates the value, but its just clear bait

[brittle swift]

Thats an addon not base kit whats your point?

[fluid fern]

30 seconds is enough time to have it up after every single chase

AND there's an add on to reduce the cooldown

[cold sonnet]

oh no the killer performs a basic kick every 30 seconds at the cost of a whole add on slot

[rugged lion]

holy fuck this killer needs a MAJOR nerf. This is such bullshit

[raven flume]

Both of those abilities are easy to get value with, his isn't

[brittle swift]

Yeah but if nurse had something like that you could just blink past the same gen over and over. Its not the same scenario at all

[fluid fern]

so you dont patrol generators with undergate? Got it. Keep popping that at edgemap for the blendettes

[raven flume]

Very time a killer comes out we need to gut them immediately, no matter what

[brittle swift]

Its not like this addon removes gen kicking all together. The radius isnt that big anyways

[fluid fern]

its massive

[cold sonnet]

its also quite shit since you will not activate eruption/pop etc

sorry not eruption, what is the other called again

[fluid fern]

you literally cannot avoid it without SB if the Vecna uses it correctly

[cold sonnet]

wait yeah eruption also wants kick for the mark

[fluid fern]

and it damages

[brittle swift]

Quit strawmanning bruh ragebait at its finest

[fluid fern]

or at worst makes his nurse blinks deal health states afetrwards

[slow venture]

Haven’t been playing too much of the ptb but lemme guess, everyone already wants the new killer nerfed and the survivor perks are OP?

[cold sonnet]

its a basic kick that does not activate any kicking related effect, so you would want other passive slowdown anyway

[fluid fern]

its not bait qt pie

[proven lake]

it really isn’t, you can easily avoid it lol

[raven flume]

That's not how you technically use that ability, and it's still not that broken this is why we're never allowed to make anything orginal or fun because I can't just mindlessly play

[cold sonnet]

thats more embarassing then ngl

[brittle swift]

You’re strawmanning

[raven flume]

I really hoped it was this is just an L take

[steep stump]

Surprisingly haven’t seen people complain about survivor perks yet

[fluid fern]

because they're balanced and dont pose any meta shake up

[slow venture]

So I was half right.

[rugged lion]

most of the new ones are trash, as usual.

[fluid fern]

and they're so overshadowed in the update by an absurd killer

[proven lake]

Snail confirmed stands still in every circle

[fluid fern]

I played 30 games last night and didnt lose to a single vecna

[brittle swift]

So why are you complaining

[fluid fern]

because I know how to play the game and was running SB

[brittle swift]

So whats the problem

[raven flume]

No one's gonna use them, that's about the only complaint there is there really fun

[fluid fern]

the killer is poorly designed

[proven lake]

ofc you didn’t, you’re playing against ptb players lol

[fluid fern]

there is nothign healthy about the only counterplay being to run edgemap and run SB

[rugged lion]

as is 90% of the game

[steep stump]

Yeah I had fun using them, especially since killers weren’t using meta perks either

[brittle swift]

Why?

[fluid fern]

thats the point numbnuts, this killer is absurd if an actual person who can aim uses it

it is literally just aim circle

[slow venture]

It’s almost like dbd is more fun when folks on both sides aren’t sweating like they’re in a tournament

[proven lake]

you’re the numbnuts if you think you have to run sb to avoid a circle

[steep stump]

[tall jackal]

Am I the only one that feels like something is off about some of the new character models? Specifically Eddie and Nancy. I think Dustin, Eleven and Robin look great. But there’s something about Nancy and Eddie that feels, off? I don’t know how to describe it

[fluid fern]

you literally do

[brittle swift]

Thats literally like any ranged killer ever whats ur point

[raven flume]

I think as a community we should just start running what we want, gen slow down is so boring to play as killer and I have to bring it pretty much very game and behavior is incapable of designing good perks most the time

[tall jackal]

Just double back?

[proven lake]

you literally do not x

[fluid fern]

"nuh uh" head ass peanut gallery

[fluid fern]

and yet all 3 of the new killer perks are either gen slowdown or gen slowdown synergy perks

[slow venture]

But remember we can’t make good killer perks or nurse and blight will be OP. (As if they aren’t already)

[fluid fern]

Here's every killer build for the next year

0 counterplay deadman's proc

[mellow terrace]

turn down the clock for nurse is busted as hell, you just look at the gen, make it explode and regress and then you just move on to find the survivors

[fluid fern]

on an alternative nurse

[brittle swift]

Technically not zero. You could have a teammate touch a gen with 0 progress to waste it

[tardy palm]

friendly reminder that trapper places bear traps

[fluid fern]

ty

[slow venture]

I think you could get the same result with pop though since you have to be within line of sight of the gen with this new perk. Like I said I haven’t played much of the ptb so I haven’t tried it myself

[tardy palm]

also why is creel just spirit + pyramid + sadako

[mellow terrace]

this perk removes the need of having to spend your blink for a gen pop

[fluid fern]

no pop is not a good perk. Turn Back is eons stronger than pop ever was

[astral cipher]

Lmao

[brittle swift]

Pop isnt a good perk are we deadass

[astral cipher]

Do we know about og pop

[brittle swift]

Ragebait

[raven flume]

We should try remove everyone else and only have them playable

[steep stump]

Yeah but it’s just never gonna change 🥀

[cold sonnet]

read their messages from the last 20 minutes and you know whats going on

[proven lake]

yeah he’s just ragebaiting

[brittle swift]

I have been its hilarious. I genuinely think he believes the things he says

[fluid fern]

No one runs pop in comp

[cold sonnet]

idk if this is better or worse than it being bait

[steep stump]

Probably just the lobby lightning

[fluid fern]

it is the most mid regression perk in the game

[brittle swift]

Probably worse i didnt think these people actually existed

[raven flume]

Ones pretty well designed imo though at least, that's mostly the problem with them there not fun playing artist perks isn't fun it's boring

[astral cipher]

Undone

[fluid fern]

Eruption has outclassed pop for well over a year

[brittle swift]

They both fill different niches how can you accurately compare one to the other

[raven flume]

I personally find eruption to be really fun :>

[fluid fern]

you only have 4 perk slots

[brittle swift]

Yeah but they arent used for the same purpose

[fluid fern]

genuinely make an actual argument how pop is better than any of these perks

[brittle swift]

Not in that build. You probably wouldnt kick gens in that build

[astral cipher]

Ruin with eruption

[cold sonnet]

there is no way

[brittle swift]

Eruption has the chance to do nothin is this guy stupid

[cold sonnet]

there is no way this is serious

this has to be the most committed baiter ever

[astral cipher]

Let them cook guys

[ripe bison]

when are they gonnna fix teh perk bug

uuuuuugh I wanna test stuff on hag

[fluid fern]

you are so much wiser than every top comp killer for the last 2-3 years

tell us oh sage how you are smarter than Xeno, Knightlight, Ivn, etc

[astral cipher]

These guys expect all their totems to be broken in a minute

[fluid fern]

I cant wait how % current progress on 1 generator is worth an entire perk slot

[astral cipher]

What does this have to do with the actual game

[cold sonnet]

surely comp is a perfect reflection of the actual game

[fluid fern]

this severely outclesses pop

[astral cipher]

It’s better than pop in most cases sure

[leaden comet]

You can damage mid chase it’s pretty significant change to actually physically kicking the Gen

[astral cipher]

Does this make Pop a bad perk? No it doesn’t

[fluid fern]

it is the most perfect reflection of the game. What are you on about? Top players in both roles agreeing to fair matches

[proven lake]

Not comp players being toxic andies if you don’t agree with their narrative

[fluid fern]

when there are 8 other perks that do the same thing better, yes it does. You literally just tried to shit on undone with the same logic.

[cold sonnet]

[astral cipher]

Uhhhh…

Are we not supposed to shit on undone

Is it a sleeper pick

Okay I can talk about undone seriously since it’s funny

Undone is not simply outclassed, it’s just extremely weak and abhorrently designed

[fluid fern]

you can damage a gen within L.O.S. and proc deadman's synergy with 0 counterplay

[astral cipher]

If all other recession perks were deleted from the game Undone wouldn’t take their place

[fluid fern]

this perk forces deadman's value. You can't avoid deadman's anymore

[astral cipher]

You can force it to a different gen if you’re coordinated

Which I assume is the case because for some reason comp is the reflection of how all of dbd works (lol)

[leaden comet]

And grim embrace since I think grim is under 60 seconds so if you hook someone during those, and then damage a Gen right after it’s like dead man’s right after plus regression

[cold sonnet]

didnt you know? as soon as you queue into a game, the 4 survivors form a psychic connection and have perfect skills

[astral cipher]

This is true

[cold sonnet]

the game consists of 100% comp level players

[ripe bison]

its all disgusting swfs I tell you

and killers who tunnel and slug

[astral cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-caine-tadc-caine-pomni-jax-gif-5328962454550038582

[winged kraken]

has anyone seen vecna's mini mori?

it seems like a rare thing to happen tbh

[astral cipher]

Pretty much everyone at this point

[limpid crag]

Gooper

[worn bluff]

that's needed to win against these swfs bro 😭 🥀

[winged kraken]

nvm i thought the mini mori only happened on the gate attack

[foggy hemlock]

why cant i find deadlock in the ptb?

[subtle zephyr]

Dawg it's not deadlock anymore

It's No Holds Barred now

[winged kraken]

in the ptb its deadlock since pinhead is available i think

[long bay]

It's a matchmaking issue. Why are these killers being put into lobbies with better players, but we also dont want em harassing the fresh installs. Maybe people that tunnel can be put in lobbies with people that have DC penalties

[limpid crag]

Playing the PTB just to play Ghost Face and run my standard build

[fluid fern]

the MMR cap is too low for there to actually be any interesting matchmaking

[worn bluff]

that isn't fair or fun for anyone in that situation. Tunneling is just an efficient way to play the game, just like gen rushing 👍

[fluid fern]

someone can run builds to inflate their performance above their skillset and go against better players,

[long bay]

3v1 in a 4v1 game is fair... alright
It's unfair they get put in these lobbies that they have to tunnel to get a win

[fluid fern]

i.e. quad regression S tier, or SB Vigil Sole Survivor Clairvoyance

[fluid fern]

gen rushing doesn't exist

[limpid crag]

Everyone is DCing against me I knew Ghost Face was top tier

[craggy mortar]

Slugging as vecna against new gen rushing survs is so satisfying ❤️‍🩹

[rich nacelle]

[limpid crag]

Dude you are in a server called Memesaurus

[rich nacelle]

[granite furnace]

yes it does because i do it every game

and then die first because i can't loop

[limpid crag]

I like tunneling and gen rushing

[granite furnace]

me too twin 🥹

[fluid fern]

Genrushing: The phenomenon where survivors don't waste time and focus on their sole objective efficiently. (Note: this is often confused with normal optimized gameplay)

[rich nacelle]

People often fail to make the distinction between malicious and efficient tunneling

[worn bluff]

Tunneling: the phenomenon where killers optimally play killer and don't waste time spreading hooks (note: often confused with being toxic and unfair)

[ripe bison]

New players get a ton of 3-4 kills due to newer survivors not knowing what theyre doing while the killer plays Ghoul or something. They spike in MMR ranking until they land against super experienced people and bounce backwards

[fluid fern]

correct. And why every survivor should run either shoulder the burden, decisive, or both

[ripe bison]

Tunneling is tunnel vision. Most of the time it is the stupidest play as youll just get looped forever.

[fluid fern]

That used to be the standard, and at some point people stopped running Decisve in pubs

[ripe bison]

Youre overcomplicating this hard lmao

[worn bluff]

why every killer should bring DMS painres corrupt (4th perk)

[fluid fern]

There are planty of killers who don't need to do that

[worn bluff]

nope that's just how all y'all survivor mains with 5 seconds on killer act

[worn bluff]

(nurse, blight, and billy)

[ripe bison]

Im not a survivor main

[ripe bison]

Best killers in the game whom specifically excel at it

[crimson bison]

someone 1v1 with the new killer?

[ripe bison]

As oppozed to other killers who dont

[fluid fern]

There are plenty more (Singularity, Twins, Spirit, etc)

[ripe bison]

Tunneling with Hag just instantly loses the game

[worn bluff]

but twins has to slug / snowball, tunneling isn't needed for them

[ripe bison]

Whats wrong with snowball?

[fluid fern]

Careful now, you're about to say Killer doesnt have to just tunnel to win

or run the same 15 perks

[long bay]

Twins only "has to" slug when victor goes on an adventure, and I can tell you in 3 words what your best fix is

"Dont do that"

[gilded imp]

anyone else think vecna jr's chase theme is a bit on the weak side? like its missing something

[long bay]

100% vecna senior. Old vexna is old news

[quasi thistle]

As someone who loves Xeno, anybody else feel jealous Vecna has a much better movement ability that would have fit them?

Right know the first seems to have it all, both movement and a very strong range attack

[craggy mortar]

Sniping as vecna is so fun

[weary pilot]

I am here.

[cloud flicker]

@violet steppe Wanna kiss and make out here?

[craggy mortar]

I kept hearing Eleven the floor above me, shot a tentacle there and got 1 hit, shot another and mindbreaked her❤️‍🩹

[weary pilot]

Gotta check your profile first.

[worn bluff]

all survs say slugging and tunneling are both toxic ""

[craggy mortar]

Vecna still feels like a modded character idk why

[quasi thistle]

Same survivors running head on, flashbangs, flashlights, sabo and alike

So...QQ

[proven cradle]

why do they make perk ideas, and then just add something into it that completely removes any and all possible combos
We See You could have combo'd well with Object Of Obsession imo, but they made it where its only when the killer themselves reveals you
Meaning it entirely relies on the killer to run aura perks and it doesn't combo with anything you can actually fucking control yourself

[craggy mortar]

Whos perk is we see you

[proven cradle]

Eleven

[weary pilot]

Bro it's insane honestly. I have this video clip I'm going to share where I predicted her movements.

[cerulean badge]

I tried the combo out yesterday and it worked.. Did they change that?

[craggy mortar]

Also is elusive used in any other perk

Holy shit 3 toolboxes

It's vecin' time

[proven cradle]

uh
i'm not entirely sure
I know it used to be apart of the reworked version of Off The Record, I think?

it is the newest effect, so its not going to be on much

[long bay]

Does the first have any autoaim? I've only played 1 game with bots and hit some very surprising shots that I didnt figure were about to hit
And I know they were doin autoaim stuff with Krause...

[ripe bison]

The aoe is relativelt big

Bkts are also stupid

[prime vapor]

Apologies for barging in this gc, but PTB Customs anyone? Against my Vecna NA? i could use the practise

[weary pilot]

@craggy mortar

[proven cradle]

idk why they decided to make Still Sight 2.0 as if it wouldn't take the exact same position as Still Sight, being absolutely shit because you have to basically immobilize yourself to get any use out of it
(at least Still Sight allows you to see the Killer, but they needed to stop Extrasensory Perception from being 100% better)

[gentle flume]

We really need a good cooldown for vine attack

[weary pilot]

Apologies for the weird colors, my NVIDIA settings were unknowingly off.

[prime vapor]

insane mind games btw

[proven cradle]

the cooldown is constantly missing it

[prime vapor]

thats the cool down folks

[gentle flume]

Ehhh at least a 2 second cooldown on normal and 4-5 on the world end thing

[weary pilot]

I do feel the need for BHVR to slightly increase the time for the vines to burst from the ground.

But in return, make it so that Undergate doesn't slow you for an eternity when emerging.

[proven cradle]

if they made it any easier to dodge, it would kill his use imo

[weary pilot]

We will see.

[proven cradle]

its about as fast as PyHead's thing takes to come out of the ground, I think

[worn bluff]

because he's insanely broken?

[proven cradle]

he seems balanced to me

[worn bluff]

I see him like a ranged nurse, he has movement, and he has an attack with almost no cd, and does a health state, where the counterplay is 50/50 and pray

[proven cradle]

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because I don't want a Springtrap 2.0 where he turns out to be alright or actually pretty bad once people get used to him
but due to the mass amount of people saying he was OP, he gets 500 nerfs and none of them ever get reverted to make him actually good again compared to the rest of the higher tiers

[weary pilot]

Those people shouldn't even have a valid voice to BHVR considering ST Vecna has only been available for playtesting for two whole days.

[ripe bison]

His ranged attack can be spammed pretty repeatedly and can do stuff like hit up stairs

[neon wave]

Has to get into his power first to do damage and its more 70/30 in survs favor depending on map

[ripe bison]

It can hit on floors above where he is standing if there is no ground beneath that higher floor

[cold sonnet]

yeah i am still convinced a longer delay on the hit and a longer cooldown if you miss are needed

[ripe bison]

he might just be able to hit through floors in general

[neon wave]

NO ONE wants to learn counterplay and just immediately goes "nope too hard reminds me of nurse nerf him"

[neon wave]

wdym

[ripe bison]

the aoe is also insane on indoor maps but thats an indoor map thing

Hes deadly at tight loops but weaker in more open space

[neon wave]

hes pretty ass in open space

[ripe bison]

Which is what balances him out a lot

[cold sonnet]

give the vines like a small extra delay before they pop up and hit
make cooldown on m2 longer if you miss it

[ripe bison]

Hes strong antiloop but weak in deadzones

[cold sonnet]

not even massively, but thats how i imagine he could be tweaked

[ripe bison]

which is pretty cool tbh

[neon wave]

oh yeah that i agree with its too abusable

[ripe bison]

this and changing up his addons

[neon wave]

But if you make it have a longer cooldown he should at least have the radius be a little bigger not by much tho

[ripe bison]

now his radius is fine as is

its feels tight but not too tight. The right ammount

[fluid fern]

survivors have more than enough tools to deal with both

they just don't want to run the perks. They want to run fun perks and have a different experience

and unfortunately it is mainstream for killers to drink the "I must only tunnel to play killer" Kool-aid

Thats the problem with survivor perks, when they counter optimized killer strats they're popular or if they're a jack of all trades perk they're popular and everything else just gets underused

because there's nothing enjoyable about being hard focused out of the game when you're running memes

These perks will probably never see the light of day after a month or two

even though they're all fairly unique and interesting

[worn bluff]

BBB actually seems decent(ish) and would probably be run with chem trap as a joke/memr build

[proven cradle]

I feel like Bada Bada Boom will be the most used compared to all of them, but thats because its a niche joke pick like Chem Trap or Blast Mine

[worn bluff]

fym blast mine is meta 💔 trust

[neon wave]

its funny you say that cuz thats exactly what killers want to do but we cant cuz we just lose or go against sweat

[tawdry nexus]

does anyone else has the color of lightning around the map pink instead of red when in clock mode of vecna

[neon wave]

mine is just bright af red.do you use reshade?

[tawdry nexus]

nvidia filters but even without them its still pink

[neon wave]

do you have a colorblind setting on?

[tawdry nexus]

.... yeah

i forgot lol

[neon wave]

lol its ok

[neon wave]

Yeah but his upside down is so slow i wish they would give him an addon that makes him come out of it a little faster

[ripe bison]

After actually playing him hands on hes so much fun holy shit

[tender flame]

Nawh she could have limited Tele

[native aspen]

if they made it any faster itd be a guaranteed hit

[ripe bison]

I think they just need to nerf the cooldown or the ranged attack

[neon wave]

Yeah i love him its so fun to play but holy the sweat pisses me off

[fluid fern]

no

[ripe bison]

Even if I never get around to watching stranger things seasons 4 and 5 I will probably play this guy because he is just amazing in every way

Assuming he doesnt get destroyed at launch

[neon wave]

Hes not Broken but hes a little OP it would take like minor nerfs to make him better

[fluid fern]

aim circle

[neon wave]

yes

[fluid fern]

he is completely non-interactive in chase

[ripe bison]

Hes especially fun on hawkins

[neon wave]

Oh right all killers have to be the same my bad

[ripe bison]

His aoe and hitting through floor floorsa nd walls excels on hawkins

you can hit people working on the second floor generator from the floor bellow

[neon wave]

oh yeah i have a clip of me getting them from 1st floor

[ripe bison]

and you can land hits through walls with undergate

[fluid fern]

Vecna is literally just Nurse

[ripe bison]

No hes really not

[fluid fern]

if you can aim a blink, you can aim the circle

[neon wave]

he can blink?

the blink on nurse doesnt do damage it takes you NEAR them rarely on them and then you need to adjust with your second blink sometimes to then LUNGE. if you miss with Henry they can just make distance

[fluid fern]

aim second circle

[tender flame]

He's a ranged nurse, ignore LOS, damage from a distance

[radiant locust]

Why isn’t Vecna floating in the killer lobby? The killer lobby is the only place where he just stands like a dude…

[ripe bison]

Vecna's vine attack doesnt do damage if worldbreaker isnt active. Issue is the cooldown

[icy summit]

It's weird because thats what he does normally in the show lmao

[radiant locust]

I know, it just seems like he should have a cooler idle animation, not just a default pose

Like if he was suspended by the vines in his default pose ||like he is under the mind flayer’s heart||

[icy summit]

He does have an animation for that its just not default

[ripe bison]

HOnestly everyone should just called this guy One or First

[icy summit]

I call him Henry

[ripe bison]

One sounds cooler

[icy summit]

or just Vecna lol

[neon wave]

youre oversimplifying it lmao

[granite oriole]

The Fist

[radiant locust]

I call him Vecna unless i’m comparing him to the actual Vecna, in which case i call him One.

[ripe bison]

As I recall hes always refered to as "the first" in season 3

[granite oriole]

The First Second

[neon wave]

Number 1

[ripe bison]

or "one"

[icy summit]

Could just call him by his last name like Myers "Creel"

[ripe bison]

Cause he was the first test subject rather than Eleven being th eleventh

every test subject goes by their number as I recall?

[icy summit]

Did you know 11 is missing her 011 tattoo on her wrist

on the dbd model

[still wyvern]

Think he's getting nerfed upon release?

[ripe bison]

probably a detail worth pointing out on the suggestion forum

[fluid fern]

aim third circle

[neon wave]

this is pretty bad ragebait

[fluid fern]

aim 4th circle

[ripe bison]

Most likely. At the very least they will change up his addons

[neon wave]

i hope so theyre pretty mid

he has like 2 really good ones and the rest are more for meme builds

[ripe bison]

I wouldnt say for meme builds

They just dont feel like they do enough

a lot of them that is

[icy summit]

Honestly i'm really worried he's gonna get completely gutted.

[radiant locust]

My complaints are:
•Boring idle animation in killer lobby
•Lack of clock defense or slowdown in addons
•range for Undergate Attack is unavoidable without speed perks
•All of Vecna’s perks are too good, and all of Dustin’s perks need a buff.

[neon wave]

Pizza goggles are fucking horrid lmao

[rugged lion]

this game is so painfully survivor-sided, it's ridiculous holy shit..... They really need to bloody separate the tryhard competitive fucks from the gen-pop who's just playing for fun. I fucking hate tryhards so much

[radiant locust]

*or rework

[icy summit]

Vecnas perks do NOT need a nerf. Good perks are allowed to exist

[astral cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-gif-3403616098614705012

[neon wave]

Undergate is easily avoidable wtf do you mean?

[still wyvern]

It really is

[radiant locust]

Ikr, like when the devs suggested that killers having a hard time just go play another game

[still wyvern]

Make it killer-sided instead

[astral cipher]

That’s a genuinely good advice

[fluid fern]

Just because you can't aim a big circle doesnt mean its avoidable

[neon wave]

To avoid undergate all you have to do is Hold W and dont double back at all

[flint oyster]

i just wish theyd fix this fucking skin because every time you go back into first person theres a 50% chance you get jumpscared by his jeans

[radiant locust]

I like the spirit, but wrong idea

[rugged lion]

someone really needs to take this game away from BHVR....

[fluid fern]

anyone who has played any MOBA or MMO like WoW can now play DBD as a top killer

[icy summit]

Not to mention if you get hit with Undergate you get like a miles worth of distance

[neon wave]

the game is supposed to be killer sided but for some reason we made a survival horror game survivor sided

[fluid fern]

aim circle

[radiant locust]

Make one killer exactly equal three to four survivors in meta so it’s truly an expression of skill

[neon wave]

the addon that gives you 20% haste isnt even good enough lmao

[still wyvern]

Dont we have a few of those, nurse and blight?

[icy summit]

I too like Rin Yamaoka

[radiant locust]

Yes, but not every killer player enjoys playing nurse or blight

What about the poor pig and ghosty mains?

[still wyvern]

so we should have more killers like nurse and blight then

[icy summit]

I'm honestly gonna be pissed if they nerf Vecnas perks. First good killer perks in a while and we arent even allowed that

[radiant locust]

We should have more killers on the POWER LEVEL of nurse or blight

[still wyvern]

i dunno, i still want to enjoy playing as survivor

[radiant locust]

Enjoyment is not mutualy exclusive for one side or the other, because winning does not equal having fun

I’m not saying killers should always win, i’m saying killers should stand a chance without having to pull out the good old meta

[still wyvern]

Nurse and blight usually wins the majority of their matches though

its pretty miserable

[radiant locust]

The burden of skill should be on the survivors to outsmart the killer, but not overly so. A horror game needs the villain to be even somewhat more powerful than those they are chasing.

But the survivors still need to be able to do so

[icy summit]

I just realized. The quote used in the Hive Mind perk was said by Flayed Billy while Eleven was in his mind. Implying that it wasn't the mindflayer speaking but Vecna. Don't know how to feel about this but i dont think i like it tbh :/

Having it just be Vecna speaking would just be lame as hell ngl

[radiant locust]

I kind of like it

But i feel like there’s a more fitting example

[still wyvern]

I wouldnt call nurse and blight "somewhat more powerful", a decent player on any of those would mop the floor with the survivors

I like going up against blight though, i hate nurse

[radiant locust]

My point is that situations where survivors win and the killer cannot do anything about it should not exist

[long bay]

Lol

[radiant locust]

While it seems on theme for the killer to keep their oppressive wins, it is still not healthy for gameplay. Neither extreme is good

[still wyvern]

And situations where a killer gets a nearly 2K win streak shouldnt exist either

[radiant locust]

True

[fluid fern]

this is fundamentally flawed

both sides need to have equal expression of skill

Killer's powers need to have equal downsides and counterplay to their strengths

[radiant locust]

I’m tired of being hard stopped by strong survivors, you’re tired of being killed relentlessly by top-tier killers, i just want a balanced game

[fluid fern]

perfect example: Victor is essentially a guaranteed hit (unless the survivor hops into a locker then the power cant deal damage)

[long bay]

The fact that tunnelling is such a problem says that survs need better ways to get away from a hook because usually, they 10 seconds away and survs are obviously not able to outrun a killer that's 15% faster then them consistant enough

[fluid fern]

Hillbilly can down any survivor out in the open, but can travel through obstacles. He has to interact with windows and pallets

[glass fox]

Can Hive Mind relight itself when you fresh hook another survivor?

[radiant locust]

The fact that bully squadding is such a problem says that the devs should stop buffing perks used to bullysquad
and yet, here we are

[long bay]

No, it specifies first hook

[glass fox]

So first hook of the trial period?

[long bay]

Well, one of us thinks bully squads are an issue as killer
I get excited when I THINK I even have a 4 pack

[radiant locust]

Yes, and am i wrong for that?

[fluid fern]

bullysquads dont work against strong killers

and bullysquads have not existed since locker flashlight saves were gutted

[radiant locust]

You’re missing my entire point
We need a universal power level for killers, and it should be equivalent to three or four survivors

[fluid fern]

I disagree. Killers should have to be played well by a player good at them to achieve 3 or more kills

Killers should not inherently be expected to win

[neon wave]

I hate when people look at a power and their first idea isnt "how can i counter this?" its "how can this be nerfed so i can not die to it?"

[radiant locust]

My man
Hooksabo still exists
Flashlight click still exists
Bodyblock breakout still exists
Head on is still viable
Wtfdym

[fluid fern]

3 kills is the wincondition. Thats like saying killers should always win

[long bay]

The other point is a killer shouldnt be balanced for 4 survs when they can just ignore 3 of em

[neon wave]

theyre ragebaiting just ignore

[radiant locust]

Man i hate modern social media culture

[fluid fern]

thanks for messaging nonsense again so I can block

this isnt ragebait

you're saying killers should be balanced around always winning

thats literally not what balanced means

[long bay]

I liked last ptb. Noone dies before the second half of the game. I thought that was fair

[radiant locust]

That’s not what we’re saying

We’re saying that survivors shouldn’t be able to hold a position of power over the killer

[fluid fern]

Survivors should have the advantage when there's 4 of them

[long bay]

If the survs are ready, set up, and coordinated, yes. They should

[neon wave]

FUCK i hate this shit

[fluid fern]

and it should become very difficult once there's 3 or less

and thats exactly how it is right now

[neon wave]

yeah just block him i did earlier cuz it was so obvious he didnt know shit of what he was talking about just trying to ragebait

[fluid fern]

thats why people preach tunneling

[cerulean nacelle]

so random but whats yall thoughts on episode 9 of stranger things

[neon wave]

no one likes one sided people who cant see the other side

[fluid fern]

some killers are literally unbeatable in the 3 v 1

especiailly if the survivors dont split the map correctly

[radiant locust]

I just think both sides need a balance, because their extremes are polarizing people

[neon wave]

but thats not the case with this game. you hold a position of power over the killer no matter youre solo or 4 man

[neon wave]

survivor is given too much and killer isnt given enough honestly

[radiant locust]

Not quite, as a solo can’t exactly hold a position of power over the killer, as the killer is fundamentally stronger than a single survivor

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-2213853613975478778

[glass fox]

Does survivors get cursed when Hive Mind is activated?

[fluid fern]

yes

[neon wave]

nope, a good survivor can loop a killer for at least a minute which is enough time for 3 survs to do at least 2 gens

[radiant locust]

Out of arguments i see

[fluid fern]

so things like soul guard become active

[long bay]

That all depends on the player you get. If they suck with that killer, you can run circles around em.

[wicked rapids]

Do not weaken Vecna's abilities and advantages.

[fluid fern]

Im going to say the same thing I said to the last PTB discussion

post your stats in both roles if you want to be taken seriously

[radiant locust]

Then who’s doing the gens if the one survivor is doing the looping?

[fluid fern]

as it should be

if you spend an entire minute+ of time on one of 4 of your opponents, the other 3 should use that time eifficiently to complete their singular objective

[glass fox]

The First’s perks seems very good. A nice set for a killer

[radiant locust]

Adept First will be pretty easy

[fluid fern]

if you que into a match and your POV is: "I need to find first chase" instead of " I need to find the 4 survivors" you deserve to lose

Corrupt and lethal exist for a reason. The spawn update happened for a reason

[glass fox]

I can see TBTC with DMS with Secret Project is gonna be a meta build

[fluid fern]

stop playing killer to tunnel (1 v 1) and asking the base level of a killer to carry you

[radiant locust]

Killers shouldn’t need to have to use the meta to win. And while tunneling can sometimes be malicious, often killers tunnel because it is literally the only killing they can do, vs the one survivor that didn’t bring meta

I, personally, do my best to spread hook states

[fluid fern]

"Killers should get to do whatever they want to win, mistakes in decision making should make no impact"

[long bay]

They dont. They only need meta if the meta is their competitive crutch. You can wait out a sprint burst if you give it a shot

[radiant locust]

Not what i’m saying

[radiant locust]

And true in some ways, but untrue in others

[cold sonnet]

one gen in my game got perma blocked lol

[fluid fern]

If you want to spread your hookstates in such a way that you cannot recover that is your decision and your fault for losing

[radiant locust]

Secret Project?

[long bay]

oOo... I want that perk too...

[radiant locust]

Damned if i do, damned if i don’t?

[cold sonnet]

yeah, guess it bugged out

[fluid fern]

welcome to Killer. You have to make decisions

generators will pop, survivors have perks you have to burn through and play around

[glass fox]

Survivors see that there are 2 gens remaining that needs to be done and killers have no kills and they never once thought about “oh gee killer has no kills and we are close to getting the objective done, we better be careful and protect whoever’s on death hook”

[radiant locust]

Your argument is not sound. If i tunnel, it’s my fault for being a disgusting killer and i deserve to lose. If i don’t tunnel, it’s my fault for not doing the most optimal thing and i deserve to lose.

[glass fox]

Like no shit if I got to 2 gens remaining with no kills I’m fucking tunnelling

[fluid fern]

You want to main killer or play killer to win you need to be able to respond to survivors and the situations they create

[fluid fern]

👆

and the survivors need to protect their vulnerable teammates and predict you as killer

[fluid fern]

tunneling is part of the game, survivors have a lot of different ways to counter tunneling

[glass fox]

Tunnelling most of the time is a response killer has to the current state of the trial

5-4 gens, killers have little reason to tunnel

[fluid fern]

if survivors want to win they will bring the perks to counter tunneling

[radiant locust]

Tunneling should not be a necessary mode of play unless survivors are throwing themselves at you to abuse endurance and perks like DS

[glass fox]

3 gens, they might tunnel a bit if they don’t have many hooks

2-1 gen they are for sure tunnelling if no kills

[fluid fern]

play Twins. 99% of my games end in 4 hooks

[long bay]

Well, if you get better, you can win without tunnelling. But you can be limited by what you deserve...

[fluid fern]

You want to play Killers that dont need to tunnel to win, then play them

S tiers exist

[neon wave]

The THREE survivors not in a chase?