ptb-discussion

[muted spindle]

Kk

[snow tusk]

It turns off but the condition to trigger it is to hook any survivor for the first time

[cloud python]

r they gonna add some voice lines for survivors?

[snow tusk]

Like anyone on hook the first time

[celest hare]

Yes

[snow tusk]

You can’t reactivate it right?

[stark barn]

any perk nerfs/buffs?

[snow tusk]

No

[stark barn]

also is hyperfocus stacks effected by vecna's time thing?

[cloud python]

i think those 2 gen teamworks r kinda op cuz fym u can get yellow bar while repairing with other survivor

with dejavu and prove thyself

[thorn yew]

Will original survivors get hellfire shirts?

[cloud python]

they werent in hellfire club in show why they should be in game

[thorn yew]

That’s like saying they weren’t in a fnaf game and/or movie so why should they have them

Or the iron maiden one

[stark barn]

what does vecna's timer thing do again?

[void pasture]

Does Creel’s Audio feel extremely loud to anyone else? I swear his chase music is like louder than most and I can barely hear things when I’m using his traversal power

[cloud python]

yeah maybe u right

[void pasture]

Like maybe I’m imagining it but it really does feel louder than it should be

[void pasture]

If you mean the bar that fills up around survivors on the hud, it goes up whenever you land a hit with vine attack and when it’s full and they’re at death hook if you land another vine attack it suspends then in the air and you get to do a mini-mori

[icy summit]

Does it only fill up outside of worldbreak?

[orchid bone]

Do full circuit and soft spoken stack? Only one of the perks show up when I work on gen with someone and am assuming the other just isn’t showing for some reason?

[void pasture]

I’m not 100% sure but I think it fills up during worldbreak too, I don’t see why it wouldn’t but don’t quote me on that

No it doesn’t actually that’s odd

[fading plaza]

Hitting someone during worldbreak just does damage

[stark barn]

someone told me it also removes all your tokens or something?

[fading plaza]

It doesn’t apply a stack

[icy summit]

Nothing removes tokens

[fading plaza]

There’s an addon that removes stacks in a very specific condition

[void pasture]

Yea that’s weird I don’t see why it wouldn’t go up during worldbreak, it’s not like you can even do the mini-mori until they’re death hook anyways

[ripe bison]

Yes you can't reactivate it. Face the Darkness works by deactivating whenthe survivor you hit is downed, removing the hex totem. Hex totem spawns again when you injure someone else. Repeats until the hex is cleannsed while active.

Hivemind doesnt spawn a hex totem until you make your very first hook of the game, and stays there. It can't uncleanse itself.

[icy summit]

So what would yall say are his best addons

[void pasture]

the dc button

[icy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/diagnosis-skill-issue-gif-2973462995402018676

[ripe bison]

quick reminder that there is no dc penalty in the ptb

[void pasture]

But no I think the spider is one of his best

[opaque harness]

join kyf7 if intrested

[fading plaza]

Shattered wrist rocket is pretty good in my experience too

[celest hare]

Wanted to see if I can check his voiceline. I FUCKING HATE AI SLOP with a fiery fucking passion. Fuck gemini

[void pasture]

He does have a vault speed one and I did the math and with the right setup and perks he can have 140% vault speed.

[stark barn]

does vecna do all ts in the show? never watched it

[icy summit]

LMAOOO

[celest hare]

Pissed me off SO bad omfg

[void pasture]

Not really but he probably could

[fading plaza]

Sidenote, if you swear in your search, results will not have ai

[celest hare]

God it's disgusting how companies force that shit

[wanton coral]

he just wants to help xD

[celest hare]

ARE YOU FUCKING TELLING ME THAT YOU CANT DISABLE IT????

[stark barn]

let me ask chatgpt how to feel about this

[void pasture]

he has control over the vines so using them as an attack like this makes sense, and he also does have the clocks show up as a precursor to his thing

[celest hare]

OH MY GOD oh my god oh my god no more google, bye bye google, I hate google

[fading plaza]

I haven’t looked but i just put a swear in my search and it doesn’t show up

[stark barn]

put -ai at the end.

[celest hare]

I'll check, istfg if I can't

[celest hare]

What a load of shit it's not a setting

[fading plaza]

Instead of searching how to cook an egg search how to cook a fucking egg and ai doesn’t show up

It does work

[celest hare]

Guys is this the exact line's words?

[celest hare]

That's hilarious

[fading plaza]

I could be wrong but this sounds closer to the line for eddie

[celest hare]

AI can be disgustingly fucking inappropriate, generate kink shit and kids inappropriately and everything, but it can't handle a word

[fading plaza]

The line for eddie is “you were never the hero eddie” iirc

[stark barn]

white vans aren't gonna say "free candy" anymore. it's now "free RAM"

[celest hare]

Oh I like, I know it's close I just heard it, I just wanna quote it accurately 😭 but that line is also so cool

[icy summit]

How come there isnt a BP incentive right now but killer queues are still extremely long?

[frosty topaz]

bhvr lazy asf thats all

[void pasture]

probably still fairly full just not enough to give survivors an incentive

or they’re lazy that too lol. I always assumed it was an automated thing tho so idk

[celest hare]

Uhh bhvr's fault?

[void pasture]

If one side has more players than the other by a certain amount give x% extra blood points or something but idk maybe they do have someone watching it and manually setting it

seems like a lot of work for something that could be very easily automated tho

[frosty topaz]

surely

[celest hare]

I think it'd just be players, might be wrong ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I am obsessed with Nancy's new look bruhhh

I can't switch to someone else lmao

[ripe bison]

Theyre not that long at all

[celest hare]

I haven't played as Eddie yet, or Jonathan

[distant charm]

Is the 4 nemmys zombie in base mode ?

[stiff sorrel]

have any massive dbd youtubers switched to maining stranger things vecna or nah

[icy summit]

No. 2v8 only

[heavy ridge]

That'd be an insane Nem buff if they put that in regular

[icy summit]

Exactly lmao. I see so many people upset that its 2v8 only as if 4 zombies wouldnt be absolutely insane in 1v4

[heavy ridge]

You get the 4 of them with zombie speed addons and the survs just can't ever do anything

[void pasture]

Verticality keeps fucking me over with creel like it keeps locking onto stairs in front of me instead of going thru them

[distant charm]

So nemmy is stayin a garbage killer yay

Love a buff in a event that comes every 10 months

[void pasture]

but then when I want it to go on stairs it goes through 🙄

[distant charm]

Sunset something bvhr and you’ll be as stupid as bungie

[weary pilot]

Unironically, that's the only other buff Nemesis should receive for non-2v8

[icy summit]

If anything Nemmy just needs a slight speed boost for Zombies. He does not need 4 zombies in 1v4 lmao

[heavy ridge]

Idk, I feel like 4 could be too much. Maybe 1 more zombie for 1v4, but 2 more just seems like it'd be way too oppressive

[icy summit]

Plus the number of zombies isnt the problem. Its their AI

[void pasture]

They definitely need to make his audio when traveling with his power a lot quieter on the killers end

I can barely hear generators overtop the sound it makes when you move with it

[distant charm]

2v8 is dbds worst fucking event idk why tf they keep buffing it

[heavy ridge]

It's chaos, and chaos is fun

[distant charm]

There’s something wit chaos in its name and it’s much better

Fucking chaos shuffle

[heavy ridge]

Or we can enjoy both

[icy summit]

One persons opinion that the event sucks does not invalidate everyone elses that its great

[distant charm]

Fucking nemmy gets a buffed and it’s only in. A event

How fucking joyful

[echo dune]

Vecna seems nice, just a buff to the undergate attack might make him better

[muted spindle]

How does vecna put people into the air and what does that even do?

[heavy ridge]

Is Nemmy not in a good place rn? I don't have any issues with him

[icy summit]

Why are you acting like Nemmy is an F tier killer lmao he's like B tier

[grand apex]

Vecna in midwich and i cant see shit,is that intentional?

[echo dune]

Nemi is the king of tunneling

[celest hare]

Downs you if they don't kill you in time, or lets them kill you

[heavy ridge]

If someone has all 4 tokens, on death hook, and during worldbreaker, instead of downing them, his ability will put them in the air and he can mori them

[muted spindle]

So like sadako mori?

[icy summit]

Yes

[heavy ridge]

Precisely

[muted spindle]

Oh can they be saved or nah they’re screwed?

[heavy ridge]

Nope, it's game over if that happens

[echo dune]

For that to occur, a survivor must have 4 worldbreaker token and must be on death hook and also must be hit by an M2 ( Undergate attack or simply by the vein attack ) they have around 5 or 7 seconds where they cant do anything, the killer can mori you in this stage

[icy summit]

Usually they are screwed. But if 10 seconds pass then they will be downed. But they are still on deathhook soooo

[heavy ridge]

It's also a much faster mori than the normal

[muted spindle]

That’s sounds so fucking coool? Is he busted rn like rly unfair or nah he’s fair atm?

[echo dune]

He is fair if you have braincells, he will be broken if you dont learn to dodge his attacks.

[heavy ridge]

Decently balanced. Around a high B or low A tier

[muted spindle]

Like in a crawling state?

[icy summit]

This might be a huge hot take. But honestly Vecna is kinda weak. Survivors can literally just sidestep everything you do and once he releases and everyone learns him. That will just be every game. Maybe i just suck at him idk

[muted spindle]

I can’t wait to get him tbh

[icy summit]

Yes

[analog crane]

sorry, but does someone have the access code for the PTB? It says I need one and I can't find it in chat

[muted spindle]

What are his add ons like?

[heavy ridge]

It's all reading the Surv movements. If you can predict their movement, you'll get good results. If you can't, then you're screwed

[echo dune]

Imo the point of his ability is to simply force survivors into giving you an m1 or get hit by the m2, and since it has such a SMALL COOLDOWN it can be chained almost instantly, his IRI addon gives him 2 vein attack but smaller in size so you can insta down someoen if you are good with it

[muted spindle]

Idk why ima feel bad killing Dustin mains tbh

[distant charm]

Yay my zombies in normal have a 35 speed can’t wait for them still be useless and miss

[icy summit]

Pyramid head gaming

[heavy ridge]

Exactly

[echo dune]

Amazing addons, he is kind of one of the more better addon killer

[icy summit]

Cope harder

[muted spindle]

Do you think they will add a bigger cool down for it or nah?

[icy summit]

They all seem kinda mid tbh

[muted spindle]

I wish chuckys add ons where better they all are so boring

[heavy ridge]

I'm convinced Love and Honor is just rage baiting at this point

[distant charm]

Making zombies faster isn’t gonna do sht

[icy summit]

You're right. Give Nemesis 12 zombies.

[heavy ridge]

Bro doesn't understand that the zombies aren't the primary power

[icy summit]

THIS. Nemesis is not a garbage killer because his zombies are mid

[celest hare]

Nemesis is a shit killer (not strength wise). I hate the bastard

[minor laurel]

icl ST Vecna's abilities are kinda weird
he should've had his extendable arm thing he impaled that one guy's head with as an ability as a weaker ranged hit, something like the tendrils in Krasue's head form. Hits with that would inflict Vecna's curse, same as the vines he has in-game do.
Also maybe hits on survs could create gates or smth? Not sure how to give him a decent teleport that isn't just Demo's again

[icy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/tunnelling-tunneling-dbd-dead-by-daylight-scandalous-gif-801875358727704701

[echo dune]

If they do it, he will fall into C tier imo.

@icy summit His addons are of a unqiue blend, when paired with the right perks are extremely oppresive for example
His brown addon with his purple addon
Blocks vaults upon coming out of upside down and also reduces cooldown for each pallet broken
this essentially forces survivors to feed you pallets which can be really bad for survivors during later stages of the game

[celest hare]

His power is so cool and so unique and very like, pave way-y for future unique powers yknow

[heavy ridge]

Hopefully this paves the way to a pig nerf

[muted spindle]

Do you think they will or it’s supposed to be like that

[celest hare]

[muted spindle]

Why the pig catching a stray?!?

[heavy ridge]

[icy summit]

His upside down ability is so slow in exiting that i dont even know if its worth using half the time

[echo dune]

It is suppose to be like that, if his m2 has a big cooldown it will be hard to not only down because its a very easy ability to dodge so constant spmming of it might be intended

@icy summit After playing about 10-15 matches of him, i can for sure tell you that is one of his more stronger abilities, his map traversal is amazing because of it and you can force survivors into bad positions using it correctly

[muted spindle]

I rly wish I could play the ptb but I cant

[ripe bison]

arent the vines suposed to be that

[distant charm]

Also how about buffing 2v8 q times before your killers bvhr

Good fucking lord

[heavy ridge]

Get a load of this guy ^^

[muted spindle]

Bro is full of hate and rage? Who shit in your soup?

[icy summit]

Thats what play while you wait is for. The queue times are long because everyone is playing killer

[echo dune]

True but killers did need a buff imo in 2v8 almost everyone complained about the gen speeds in 2v8

[muted spindle]

Chuky might be fun and easy downs tbh

[minor laurel]

idk, it kinda feels like a different thing?
Like, he's just opening gates to the upside down and remotely controlling the vines to attack survs. It's closer to the Lover's Lake scene in S4 where Steve gets dragged into the Upside Down than anything Vecna himself does

[icy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/dbd-dead-by-daylight-dbd-chucky-dbd-chunky-dies-of-cringe-gif-17469033246886347575

[distant charm]

Maybe it’s bc a surviver sided and you added 8 of them

[echo dune]

Imo, chucky wont be good in 2v8 considering his ability cant be used for crowd control, it might be a little bad

[muted spindle]

I hate his dash maybe I’m just using it wrong?

[icy summit]

I also find it very hard to use tbh

[echo dune]

I am personal believer that it should be 10 gens rather than 8, since 4= 5 and 8 should be = 10

[muted spindle]

It’s so restrictive

[muted spindle]

I’m annoyed that the shape has a better dash attack then Chucky

[icy summit]

His turn speed was increased in 2v8 so theres that

[echo dune]

Myers will be a rare sight from now on my friend

[minor laurel]

which ig still kinda works if you look at Vecna/Henry's lore from a wider perspective considering his connection to the Mind Flayer and the rest of the Upside Down's hivemind by proxy, but even then, at that point it's Vecna ft. the Upside Down as a killer, not just Vecna himself

[icy summit]

Do people tend to stop playing killers once they are unable to be bought?

[echo dune]

I have never watched stranger things, I didnt even know vecna existed until the teaser update came out

[muted spindle]

Really I’m seeing a lot of matches against him when me and my friend played? Ik they are takin him and ik that Halloween game is going to die in 6 months give or take

[minor laurel]

personally I'm just gonna be playing Myers even more

[echo dune]

People who main him might play him daily, people who own him might still play it rarely

[muted spindle]

Buff demo dog he deserves it

[icy summit]

Truth

[muted spindle]

I’m still trying to figure out who to main

[echo dune]

There should be a rework to demo imo

[coarse pilot]

real

[echo dune]

I highly recommend maining vecna, he is going to be really fun

[muted spindle]

I like his dash but his tps suck

[celest hare]

Oh omg you can put the chapter name thing in the search for perks, put in stranger things youll see

[minor laurel]

Demo feels decent to play icl
in my experience at least Demo is pretty fun

[echo dune]

His tp should have been similar to vecna's

[muted spindle]

I enjoy a good chase that’s why I use legion typical I would use Chucky cause he’s my fav horror movie but his dash makes me tweak

[muted spindle]

Would it just take a health state or?

[echo dune]

His dash needs to be used properly to actually hit, for example people usually activate while facing a wall or something

[muted spindle]

Most maps I play on with Chucky are always so open so I don’t get a lot of value sometimes

[echo dune]

It shouldnt take a health state but simply be a tp, gives agency to the killer

[muted spindle]

Vecnas thing is jut upside down movement and add idk what is called

[minor laurel]

eh idk, I feel like his TPs work well if you're just careful with them?
Then again I might just be biased bc I had a weird string of 4ks a while back, even on killers I'd never played before then, so that might've just been bad matchmaking

[icy summit]

Bro can i just not use Vecnas perks on other killers?

[echo dune]

In indoor maps the underworld attack is pretty nice

[echo dune]

His perks are really good so idk why you wont use it

[coarse pilot]

what perks are you guys running on vecna?

[minor laurel]

like... Demo's tps are pretty good if you just position them right. The main issue is actually going to the right one

[icy summit]

No i mean like i LITERALLY cant use them

[muted spindle]

For me I just place them near exit gates to get a pop up but other than that it’s wtv I say the tp should be already placed for you like spring trap etc. they can stop the tp by sealing the portal for a bit

[void pasture]

I really need them to buff creel’s vine attack radius before it comes to live this shit is ass

[muted spindle]

How are yall feeling about vecna perks? Are they good or bad

[coarse pilot]

try typing stranger

[coarse pilot]

wait thats weird asf

[void pasture]

it’s so goddamn small and hard to hit outside of anim locks.

[zealous storm]

He would be "The First" so I assume "First"

[echo dune]

Type Vecna

[void pasture]

also his undergate attack is fairly useless in most cases outside of indoor maps because you get stuck in place at the last second or two of its expansion so survivors have time to get out of the way

[zealous storm]

Oh wow that's kind of crazy

[coarse pilot]

bhvr said no vecna perks for you ig 😭😭

[zealous storm]

Try "The" ??

[echo dune]

is he not prestiged?

[void pasture]

It’s a known bug for some reason his perks don’t show up at all on other killers for some players

[echo dune]

You have to use it to corner them into bad positions, and then try to get the m1 or the m2

[void pasture]

It sucks ass

[echo dune]

Must be a bug,

[icy summit]

that pulls up 10 pages of perks 💀

[echo dune]

Cant have everything on a killer can ya? I can hit it most of the time unless, they have SB

[void pasture]

No but it’s not fair to have nothing either lmfao

[zealous storm]

BHVR needs to fix it to be "First" or "Henry" cause thats annoying

[echo dune]

His m2 is insanely strong? what are you talking about brother

[void pasture]

It’s so fucking tiny and so easily dodgeable

[coarse pilot]

m2 is lowk op as

[icy summit]

I mean...why would you search for a killer using the. Lots of killers start with the lmao

[void pasture]

and can’t even hurt survivors until you’re in the world breaker state

[coarse pilot]

with the m2 if you can predict surv movements its really good

[thick otter]

so how does vecna play I highkey didn’t watch any of the trailer or anything?

[echo dune]

Which takes what 2 hits? Are you really telling me you cant hit 2 of those shots?

[void pasture]

You’re acting like it’s easy to hit

[zealous storm]

I know, was curious if it would prompt the perks

[void pasture]

that tiny ass radius makes it so hard

[echo dune]

ive been playing him 10 games in total, 3k and 4ks all around

[coarse pilot]

tbh it really is

[icy summit]

Hehe they are expecting Vecna

[void pasture]

It really isn’t

[echo dune]

EVIL EVIL

[coarse pilot]

thats evil

[echo dune]

Play him more, you will get how it works soon

[void pasture]

I’ve been playing him all fucking day

[coarse pilot]

ive only played like 4 games of vecna and hit like 65% of them

[echo dune]

Then either keep practicing or just get better at him idk what to tell you?

[zealous storm]

Cooldown for his vine attack incoming

[void pasture]

Or they can buff him slightly so he’s not garbage

[coarse pilot]

he doesnt need a buff lowk

[void pasture]

yea he does

[echo dune]

His undergate attack is ass but his vein attack is strong as hell

[void pasture]

Nothing major but he needs a few minor buffs

[snow tusk]

It uncleanses itself when you hit your three gen and explodes them
But yes it won’t reactivate itself

[ripe bison]

Oh I see what youre saying

[echo dune]

Agreed his underworld attack needs to have a faster speed, but everything else is now worth buffing, he is already pretty oppresive with the right addon and perks

[celest hare]

Undergate would be the upside down travelling one right? Fair it isn't

[void pasture]

the fact he’s already 4.4 and then gets slowed when using his power and it’s a small ass radius of a hit which makes it even harder to hit, PLUS he has to be in world breaker mode for it to even matter like????

[celest hare]

If it were more powerful it'd be unavoidable without perks

[echo dune]

He is 4.4 because he can hit those attacks faster than a damn huntress throwing hatchets!

[celest hare]

It's pyramid head if it weren't reactable, just predictable

[void pasture]

LMFAO sure

[snow tusk]

His chess piece can’t even two shot it’s sad

[calm igloo]

how can i get ptb

[celest hare]

I have his terror radius stuck in my head

[echo dune]

Dont think i am a survivor main or something, pure killer main 70/30. You need to do a little thinking if you cant hit such easy shots, it takes a little prediction friend

[calm igloo]

how did yall get it

[void pasture]

You don’t even gotta predict most times. Just hold w and avoid dropping pallets and vaulting windows until absolutely necessary.

[echo dune]

Go to steam- properties - beta

[ripe bison]

he also has a super fast mobility tool on top of that

[void pasture]

They’re not easy shots

[calm igloo]

console

[minor laurel]

then you can't

[void pasture]

With a hefty cooldown and the attack that’s tied to it is garbage

[celest hare]

If you do that then it's 100% killer skill issue for not getting you lol

[void pasture]

That’s literally his counterplay lmfao

[echo dune]

You have your experience with the killer, but that does not mean you can invalidate other peoples experiences.

[celest hare]

Just beeline away = get hit

You gotta still dodge and stuff but I guess holding w doesn't contradict that

[void pasture]

Which is super easy to do tho

[echo dune]

and its pretty obvious when he is aiming too

[celest hare]

It's like nurse counterplay

[void pasture]

it doesn’t take but like 2% brainpower to figure out where he’s likely gonna put it and even then there’s still a little time that you can react between him releasing it if you have good enough reflexes

[echo dune]

His perks are pretty nice, first killer in ages with perks that are all good

[void pasture]

Yes which also isn’t really that hard. Just hold w and guess what the most likely place she’d blink is, and switch things up instead of doin the same thing everytime.

[celest hare]

That's the point though 🥀

[void pasture]

So you agree his counterplay is easy?

[celest hare]

The same thing can be flipped though it's just constantly trying to predict the other

Yeah and his gameplay is easy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void pasture]

Except survivors don’t get slowed down the same way he does when bringing up his power

[celest hare]

The same way just predict

He can spam it though and he will eventually catch up

[echo dune]

And its your job to force survivors into areas where you can get a guranteed hit, or force them to give you an m1

[void pasture]

Yea but you can still make plenty of distance to the point that one hit doesn’t even matter, you’ve already wasted enough of his time

[celest hare]

They gotta fix Eleven and especially Robin's voices omg

[void pasture]

It also sucks his attacks don’t have a lingering effect like dracs hellfire even though they stay visible for a little bit

[celest hare]

Hopefully just a ptb issue

[celest hare]

That would be torture to face loll

[void pasture]

Wouldn’t be much different than drac hellfire

[echo dune]

His attacks can be aimed above you, which means if there a guy on the above he can be hit from below

[void pasture]

his vertical aiming is super wonky tho

[heavy ridge]

Just takes a bit to get used to it.

[void pasture]

Verticality also just screws you over sometimes

[celest hare]

Cunt actually hit me on hook in the ptb lmaoo

[void pasture]

did you do anything to deserve it?

[celest hare]

No I just played pretty shitty cause the match was boring

[void pasture]

Some killers do it just as a way of being like “yea I got you” so idk

[celest hare]

Vecnussy thinks he did something in the ptb wild

[echo dune]

This killer has extreme chase potential with his iri addon he can down you in essentially 5 seconds

[void pasture]

which one the chess piece or the soteria chip?

If it’s the chess piece then yea it’s possible but you have to be very fucking good since it reduces the already small radius of his vines lmfao

[celest hare]

Why does he have an addon called that

[void pasture]

Which one

[celest hare]

Oh wait in the lab he played chess?

[void pasture]

In the lab and at his home too I think

[echo dune]

Placing 2 vine attacks which are pretty fast, on a window or on a pallet dont seem like hard work to me, idk why you find it so hard

[void pasture]

that’s the issue

only at windows or pallets. Value outside of that with the add on would be practically nonexistent

survivors have already started avoiding windows and pallets and the amount of time it takes to gain the distance required to force them into it is so much wasted time

[celest hare]

PTB bming is wild like ok play against my bot if it pains you to play with real players so much

[void pasture]

I wouldn’t take it too personally

[echo dune]

how hard is it to hit 2 or 3 shots, there is so much you can do it hit them consistently, like have you never played Executioner?

[celest hare]

I really don't care that much I just talk a lot lmfao

[void pasture]

I’ve played executioner and I have very similar issues with him lmfao but even then I do better with him than I do with Creel. What can you do to hit them consistently because only times I get it is by luck or forcing them into vaults/pallet throws but that takes too much time to do

and you can’t waste any time as killer because gen speeds are fucking absurd, and they just got more gen speed perks too lmfao

[echo dune]

As an artist main, I know pretty much what a survivor might do or he might bluff, reverse mind games usually and i hit them consistently or i force them into giving me 1 by zoning

[void pasture]

that tells me nothing

[weary pilot]

Do rekindled Pentimento totems that get cleansed proc Secret Project?

[void pasture]

I don’t Jace your experience as an artist main, so that means nothing to me and telling me that doesn’t help me understand. Just saying “reverse mindgames” tells me nothing as well

[celest hare]

I just realised Millie looks exactly like my childhood best friend erm

[echo dune]

Yes funnily enough it does

[echo dune]

Just predict where they go, or look if they are looking behind you if they looking behind you that means they are prepring to side step if they arent looking behind them just hit the beeline shot

[weary pilot]

That's good to know. I don't think this perk will actually be used that much in a Hex build for its gen-blocking feature considering it blocks any **random **unblocked generator.

[echo dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jhcD-fAJkk @void pasture watch this guy hit almost every shot through walls no aura reading too

[weary pilot]

As long as it remains RNG-based as to which gen the perk will possibly block, it will be very hit or miss.

[celest hare]

Eleven's bloody eyes are so cool

Yeah Hens seemed crazy with it but I only saw indoor map gameplay

[weary pilot]

I really feel like Vecna should remain 110% when killer players learn how to effectively use the vine attack. On indoor multi-story maps like RPD, he's gonna be a menace.

[echo dune]

Which is harder to hit since he has no idea where they are going

[echo dune]

Yeah he NEEDS to stay 110% if he is 4.6 he will be very strong

[weary pilot]

And considering he can spam the vine attack w/ little cooldown right now gives me more justification that he needs to stay 110%.

If a slightly longer cooldown (1-2s) is introduced, I can see him becoming 115% perhaps.

[echo dune]

He is very strong in the right hands, can down seemingly in seconds. He is perfect maybe his underworld attack needs a buff other than that fun and simple, A hit by BHVR

[void pasture]

“This guy” and it’s one of the best players lmfao

like yea of course he can do that he’s got thousands of hours and is basically psychic (exaggerating but you get the point)

[weary pilot]

Undergate (emerging from Upside Down) basekit feels fine for the most part. Maybe he needs to be slowed for a tiny bit less when emerging, but reduce the radius of the attack by maybe 15-20%.

[echo dune]

I dont get what you want me to say? Hens is good, and you can be too if you play him and try to get better rather than complain here 24/7?

[echo dune]

Imo, they did a good thing making its hit give 2 worldbreaker tokens, it really gives that risk/reward feeling

[void pasture]

I just meant you can’t be like “look at this guy playing masterfully” and it’s someone who’s an expert at the game lmfao like of course he’s gonna be playing optimally

[weary pilot]

I don't know if it's intended that Undergate inflicts survivors with two tokens simply according to the wording of the power description.

It doesn't mention they get two tokens of Worldbreaker, but survivors do right now.

[echo dune]

I think its intended, wasnt it written in patch notes?

[echo dune]

You cant be a master at a killer by just playing 3 matches and saying, " He is trash too easy counterplay "

Just play him and enjoy him if u like him or just go play whatever it is you play

[void pasture]

That was never my claim nor point

[weary pilot]

Oh yes, it does mention that Undergate inflicts two tokens, but in game it doesn't for whatever reason lol.

[echo dune]

BHVR is infamous for making their ability page a little vague

[echo dune]

Read above my friend

[weary pilot]

Undergate should definitely stay at 2 tokens considering how long survivors have to effectively react to the emergence.

[echo dune]

SB counters is almost everytime and lockers

[weary pilot]

If emerging time is ever reduced, BHVR will eventually need to reduce token affliction to 1

[echo dune]

Imo, they shouldnt since people might not even try to go for the hit if they do that, might as well just spam vines 2 times rather than that

[weary pilot]

That's when SB should be nerfed to 2.5s (from 3)

[echo dune]

His perks are going to be nerfed, I can alr see them being nerfed

[grave goblet]

there is no way we're gonna have disruption meta rn💔

[void pasture]

I’m half glad the ptb has no dc penalty and half not glad cuz on one hand it is nice to be able to just leave when the killer is just hardcore slugging u for the 4k and you can’t do anything, but on the other it means your teammates can dc at the start over nothing and you’re screwed cuz bots suck lmfao

[void pasture]

Which is crazy cuz his perks don’t even need nerfs at all

[echo dune]

His perks are kinda meta

[icy summit]

Not really? He literally just released lmao

[grave goblet]

it's our first gen regression perk in a WHILE

[void pasture]

the only “nerf” in terms of lowering things he needs is lowering the fuckass sound he has when using his traversal it’s way too loud and you can barely hear anything over it

[echo dune]

Secret project paired with corrupt, DMS , Grim all 3 meta perks
Turn back time can deny gens from a dsitance and also prov DMS
Hive mind tbh its balanced and nice

[void pasture]

also his chase music could be lowered a bit on the killer side, it feels louder than other killers to me

like normally I can hear injured survivors very well during chase but with him it’s so hard because his music is so overpowering it drowns all surrounding noise out 😭

[grave goblet]

it's 20 meters so you have more than enough time to react, unless the killer is undetectable

[icy summit]

You also need line of sight on the gen as well

[silent gust]

eleven shoulda had better perks ngl

[void pasture]

Yea I was about to say this. If it’s an indoor map you’re cooked lol

[icy summit]

Just because perks are good doesnt mean they should be nerfed

None of his perks need nerfing

[void pasture]

Knowing behavior tho they probably will if survivors complain enough

[icy summit]

Oh 100% they are gonna gut Vecna completely

[echo dune]

Clarification, I never said they should be nerfed i made a prediction

[void pasture]

sucks there’s a bug for me and a lot of others cuz we can’t even use his perks on other killers 😭

[icy summit]

yeah same here...

[void pasture]

I’ve heard it affects some and it doesn’t affect others and nobody seems to know why it affects the ones it does

[silent gust]

he just needs a lil more cooldown on his vine

[icy summit]

I feel like Vecna needs to have his speed while holding m2 increased just so you can actually hold it a bit longer before they quickly get out of range

[silent gust]

not too much tho since he needs stacks aswell

[quiet geyser]

How to switch between the ptb server and live?

[grave goblet]

use the same method as you used to get to ptb

[sharp vigil]

vecna kinda snatched

[quiet geyser]

Alr

[viscid scarab]

its probably already been said over and over but vecna keeps getting stuck in the upside down~ lore accurate but still sucky

[untold lance]

oes anyone else have to redownload the game when switching back to live?

[viscid scarab]

yes

[untold lance]

damn

[viscid scarab]

in best way to explain it, the ptb and the public live both have different resourses, when downloading one your rewriting over the other, kinda like a save file, but your cosmetics in the normal mode and stuff stay

[untold lance]

yea i realized that lastt ptb just wanted to check if it was the sme for everyone else

[viscid scarab]

thats fair but yep yep its the same for everyone

[raven flume]

We talking vecna or nah?

[icy summit]

Yeah

[raven flume]

His perks are pretty cool to be honest, also while typing this I realized that I've looked through every single killer perks in the game but krasues

[woven dome]

Bring back old Nancy. this one sucks!

[raven flume]

But anyway, I like the remote kick perk that's pretty fun

[snow tusk]

Wait a minute, Turn Back the Clock does trigger Oppression

Someone say it didn’t earlier

I’ve been finessed, bamboozled, shammed

[raven flume]

Does it stack with pop? I think that would be kinda cool if it did

[snow tusk]

No pop requires it to specifically be a kick

[raven flume]

That sucks, oh well though

[snow tusk]

But drive by Oppression still good

[echo dune]

This perk is going to be meta imo, since it can be used to activate DMS

and if you paire this combo with secret project you get 30 seconds of undetectable

[snow tusk]

Also applies to Overcharge so with TBtC, drive by Overcharge

[echo dune]

OVERBRINE META is now on steroids

[raven flume]

I agree, I hope it doesn't get nerfed though

[echo dune]

does brine need kick?

[snow tusk]

Wait you’re so right

[snow tusk]

No just damage

Oppression Overcharge and Brine all have the same requirements

Damage generators action

[ripe bison]

What are the chucky mains thought son 2v8 chucky?

[icy summit]

She looks much better in a match than she does in the lobby

[ripe bison]

Old Nancy looked cruddy outside of her portrait render

[dry egret]

What about Nowhere to Hide, same thing? Can you use the new perk the move the aura reveal away from the gen?

[ripe bison]

She had the crusty old dbd model

Not as bad as old Quinton and Nea but still

Someone post old Quinton

[snow tusk]

Nowhere to Hide requires kicking a gen I think so no

[dry egret]

Ty

[snow tusk]

Oh wait I lie

[lofty elk]

old nancy was fire man why'd they have to ruin her 💔

[snow tusk]

Nowhere to Hide procc off of TBtC. DRIVEBY AURA CHECK

[icy summit]

She legit looks much better in an actual match than she does in the lobby

[dry egret]

That sounds fair and balanced 😭

[lofty elk]

😭 i havent checked yet wonder if they fixed eddies face mf look like oddie ngl

[raven flume]

In all honesty he didn't need to be in 2v8 but it's cool he's there I suppose: he's really a nothing burger and If I remember correctly if they put them there at all his stats aren't crazy, really really excited for the 2v8 skin though I hope it's something good because I wanted to get him another skin but his base ones aren't my favorite other than the party one and tif, clown should have been added alongside chucky though or tricker him being alone seems really wrong and I see the two of them working the best with his power

[icy summit]

It's been less than 24 hours of course they havent 😭

[lofty elk]

I COULD DO IT IN 2 MINS WITH CHAT GPT TRUST 😭

[snow tusk]

Yo youre chasing a survivor past a working gen? Blam, Nowhere to Hide check and free aura

[cloud python]

no way lemme check this

[ripe bison]

His vault can break pallets lol

[dry egret]

I’m scared to think about what killers like Nurse and Netflix Vecna could do 😵‍💫. I remember hearing from somewhere the Nurse prevented close range aura perks from being in the game for a long time.

[ripe bison]

Now that I think about it new Nancy looks more like how she did in the original Stranger Things chapters trailer

[raven flume]

That's not that crazy, survivors infinitely rebuild them in the mode no?

[snow tusk]

I’m relooking at all them perks

Does Pop not work with TBtC?

[ripe bison]

thats true

[ripe bison]

whats tbtc

[snow tusk]

Turn back the clock, Vecna new remote pop

[ripe bison]

Pop goes the weasel triggers if you kick a generator

Vecna's thing is like pain res but manual

[snow tusk]

When performing the Damage Generator action

[dry egret]

Dear god…

30% remote kick 😳

[raven flume]

Pops boring as fuck, it's cool by itself but it does not interact with any power or perk at all and it's so ehh: still one of my favorite perks though

[snow tusk]

Reason Pop can’t procc off pain res is cuz you get the effect after hook not during hook

So like

Remote pop 30%?

[ripe bison]

interesting

[snow tusk]

Same goes for Call of Brine, Overcharge, dragon’s grip

[dry egret]

They never prepared for the scenario I don’t think

[raven flume]

Also he's definitely really cool to see, he's like the most casual killer to play imo, he'll be such a beloved character in that mode I can already see it that's my bet

[ripe bison]

No pop deals damage to 20% of current progression. The other perk deals damage equal to 10% of the total needed time to finish the generator

[snow tusk]

Same for Oppression, Nowhere to hide, Eruption

[snow tusk]

So not actual 30% cuz math

[ripe bison]

yeah

[snow tusk]

Remote drive by dragon grip is funny in chase

Like imagine you then double back to get the person who touch gen

[cloud python]

nope, nowhere to hide doesnt proc of tbtc

[ripe bison]

The new killer perks are really amazing

Designwise

[cloud python]

another great perk description by bhvr

[raven flume]

Can't have anything fun in this damn game it seems

[snow tusk]

Why not? Perform damage generator action

[cloud python]

i checked this, this is common thing in dbd when bhvr giver no shit about their game

[raven flume]

Survivor perks also seem really fun too, mostly dusten I love his perks a lot

[ripe bison]

Dustin's window trap perk is funny cause its completely useless against the killer from the same chapter

[snow tusk]

You’re saying the perks’ syntax is just shit

[cloud python]

some perk description r wrong or absolutely lie, some localizations have old descriptions

[dry egret]

I played for several hours and not one person used Bada Bada Boom 😔. Most everyone I got was running sweaty builds like Hyperfocus Stakeout and the like

[snow tusk]

I’m checking via wiki and I can even check through nightlight. Unless English is failing me, the context is there

[ripe bison]

Localization is different tbf

[dry egret]

Peak game, nearing 10th anniversary by the way 💀

[ripe bison]

Also this is the ptb, they can always change the wording for launch if theyre alerted to it

[cloud python]

sorry i dont understand tf is perk syntax my english to bad

[ripe bison]

Huh? Ive seen nothing but people playing around with the new perks. Also a lot of scene partner Robins

[dry egret]

He means that “generator damage action” is phrased wrong

[cloud python]

in nowhere to hide yes, u need to kick gen

[ripe bison]

The trap perk does absolutely nothing against Vecna so people might be adverse to running it after a couple games?

[snow tusk]

You’re saying the descriptions are incorrect basically. The game description for perks

[ripe bison]

Use the actual wiki not the wikia. The wikia is not well maintained and easy to vandalize

[snow tusk]

Uhh no, you need to perform a damage generator action

[cloud python]

yep, i checked this in game, i run a match with tbtc and nowhere to hide and they r work nowise

[cloud python]

this is what wiki and game says, not what really is

[dry egret]

I don’t know man, I’ve already had a full lobby DC on me, I might just be cursed 😑

[cloud python]

as i said this is dbd

[ripe bison]

People often disconnect in ptbs if youre not playing the new killer because theres no dc penalty durring a ptb

[snow tusk]

So what? We can’t even trust perk descriptions and trust your word for it?

[ripe bison]

Or are just trigger happy on disconnecting

[snow tusk]

CatMan can you verify this?

[ripe bison]

Verify what

[cloud python]

if u dont believe me just check it

[dry egret]

That might be it, I was playing Pinhead that game

[ripe bison]

I just turned off my computer

[snow tusk]

All damage gen based perks and Turn Back the Clock

[ripe bison]

Happens whenever I try to play a game of Hag to test things.

People dont seem to be dcing against my stealth billy though

[cloud python]

u can even on live server try use pain resonance and nowhere to hide and they will have no synergy yk

even tho pain resonance is damage not kicking, and nowhere to hide "needs" just damage action

[snow tusk]

Pain resonance is different. You’re not the source of the gen regression, the scourge hook is
You never performed a Damage Generator action, you just hooked someone

[stoic crypt]

vecna is fairly balanced after playing him all day

[dry egret]

I love Hag so much, I have a whole folder of clips where I’m just screaming and getting jump scared by Hag traps 🤣

[cloud python]

anyway if u dont believe me u can check on your own

[stoic crypt]

on the stronger side but u can dodge his shit and just shift w to counter, he is a slugging demon tho

[grave goblet]

exactly, like it's finally a killer that takes skill to play

[snow tusk]

Turn Back the Clock is the newest means to indirectly “kick” a gen

[stoic crypt]

springtrap takes skill

ghoul not really, but there are ghouls that do impressive shit

[ripe bison]

I always have to run Shackles unfortunately cause its both outright better and helps prevent people from just baiting the traps

[dry egret]

Trapper.

[ripe bison]

Shackles is still really funnt

Doesnt even have an animation for her poping up she just appears out of nowhere

[grave goblet]

you can just run endo cpu and that's all the gameplay, sure you can do orbitals but it doesn't force any skilled gameplay, although i didn't try out any of vecna's add ons

[stoic crypt]

springtrap is all skill bruh, running endo cpu and a pallet breaking build is not the play

[dry egret]

On Otz’s site it says that makes you actionable fast?

[grave goblet]

you're late almost 10 years buddy

[ripe bison]

His "orbitals" are a big part of his skill though. Completely ignoring loops like jungle gyms and getting an edge of survivors with well placed foxy hook aoes that they arent tall enough to reach

[dry egret]

Fine. Uhhhh anyone except Ghoul

[ripe bison]

I have no idea what that means.

Shackles is the addon which removes all indications of a trap going off to survivors. No fake Hag and no mapwide splash.

Allows you to antiloop and mindgame survivors a lot easier and helps prevent survivors from baiting out her traps to "disarm" them

[dark jungle]

when does worldbreaker activate? how many tokens do you need to earn?

[ripe bison]

Lol

[dry egret]

Rip

Go to Otz’s site though, he talks about that on Shackles

“the removal of the teleport animation indirectly makes you able to hit or move even sooner than normal”

[granite furnace]

idk how to describe it but playing against vecna feels like an event

like it feels like a fortnite event I don't know why

[ripe bison]

Hadnt thought about it but yeah there is slightly less delay

[dry egret]

There is a clock on your screen and big explosions every 2 minutes

[echo dune]

Hit a guy 2 times with vein or with 1 underworld attack

[granite furnace]

to activate worldbreaker, you need to inflict 2 tokens on a single survivor, or hit a survivor with maximum tokens once.

do you guys think vecna is op, strong, balanced, or weak?

i think he's strong you just need to know how to hit his vines and i am terrible at doing so

[ripe bison]

His ranged attack is crazy

Overall I think hes a serious hit though

[cloud python]

i checked oppresion and call of brine, those also doesnt proc of tbtc

[granite furnace]

i still think it needs a small cooldown

[ripe bison]

Hes incredibly interactive while still having chase, feels pretty unique, and has incredible animations and general presentation

[granite furnace]

i think visually hes the best killer in the game

[lofty elk]

bro his ranged attack is so annoying to dodge + pretty much god pallets are unuseable

[ripe bison]

Dodging the vines feels so satisfying tho

Honestly.

[lofty elk]

it does but when ur in a indoor map it can be annoying to dodge + the cooldown is pretty much 0 seconds

[ripe bison]

Yeah. Its a hell of an antiloop

And when youre indoors you dont have the room to maneuver

[lofty elk]

idk how i feel about vecna i feel some people will play him but i think hes gonna recieve hella nerfs due to its almost impossible to loop and escape him

[knotty estuary]

he aint that good

[stoic crypt]

bro he’s not impossible to loop

[lofty elk]

no i agree he isnt that good but when ur in a indoor map its almost impossible

[echo dune]

I havent played survivor against vecna, when he is aiming m2 can you see the AOE? like while he is aiming?

[stoic crypt]

no

[ripe bison]

No

[lofty elk]

"almost"

[echo dune]

A strong Vecna is almost impossible to loop ( ONLY IF HE KNOWS HOW TO AIM )

[stoic crypt]

shift w and u have to predict where he will do his ability, try faking window vaults and going through pallets

[cloud python]

idk shift+w the first just another artist-like killer

[ripe bison]

Issue with him is primarily indoor maps

[lofty elk]

with indoor maps if you read outdoor maps its completely different but indoor maps its so difficult to manover + god pallets are unuseable

[ripe bison]

I wonder what its like against him in Hawkins come to think of it

[knotty estuary]

i run zenshin tactics and im all ears on him so i can preaim my power on vaults and pallets and if they even drop a pallet or fast vault i can see their aura and just use my vine attack

[stoic crypt]

i hope he doesn’t receive nerfs he really doesn’t need any imo

his upside down attack is difficult to get hits against good survivors

it’s very fuckingg loud

[echo dune]

The fact he can aim from below and aim through walls is kinda really nice, I kept hitting gens on the second floor no problem

[knotty estuary]

once survivors learn how to counter him he wont be that good

[dark jungle]

so you can only reduce the duration of worldbreak by 75%?

[stoic crypt]

he’s fun ash to play against imo

[dark jungle]

like you cant do the full clock?

[ripe bison]

Oh yeah btw

[stoic crypt]

u can also reduce the clock timer like cmon bruh

[ripe bison]

Are the black tenticle things om Vecna meant to be a reference to Nightbreed?

[granite furnace]

i am PRAYING they change his terror radius

[stoic crypt]

no

[knotty estuary]

i didnt try yet as survivor im bad at survivor so i would struggle either way

[stoic crypt]

cinematically they nailed this killer

[ripe bison]

I mean outside the context of the show itself

[granite furnace]

the whole thing including chase needs to be replaced it doesn't feel like vecna at all

[stoic crypt]

i don’t play a lot of survivor but i beat him with my team most games

one of the only thing vecna is strong at is slugging

[ripe bison]

Nightbreed WAS an 80s movie

[stoic crypt]

he’s definitely a better zoner than springtrap tho 😭

[knotty estuary]

yeah it doesnt really feel like stranger things it just feels like a random killer

[granite furnace]

they did so good with demo idk how they fucked this one up so badly

[round crow]

if they just tune him a litle bit hes very fun to play against

[stoic crypt]

by clive barker

[granite furnace]

it genuinely feels more generic than the default terror radiuses

[stoic crypt]

i dont think its a reference

[round crow]

i was gonna say demo's tr is great. idk what went wrong with vecna

[knotty estuary]

and even playing him u dont get stranger things vibes cuz he has weird particles on him and stuff and honestly i dont think he should be floating but im glad we got him either way

[round crow]

im honestly surprised more people seem upset with nancys new face than vecna's mid TR

[cloud python]

yo can we have upside down theme in terror radius

[granite furnace]

90% sure the only reason he floats is because he doesn't use Telekenisis in the power

[knotty estuary]

apparently shes glitched in the lobby and looks normal ingame

[ripe bison]

If the rumor that theyre changing Steve's voice to be the original actor is true then we will be in for a doozy

[knotty estuary]

i js think he would be cooler if he wasnt floating he looks goofy when he crosses his legs and stuff lmao

[round crow]

her lobby face animations just arent very good but when shes doing a gen or anything really that neutralizes her facial expression she looks like natalia

[ripe bison]

Idk I think he looks fine

I havent watched the show since season 3 first aired tho

[round crow]

he does look way different in-game than in the show

[knotty estuary]

yeah he kinda looks like a mix between s4 and 5

[round crow]

the head looks fine its the body that looks kind of strange. i think in the show his body is very small but that would probably look crazy in game

[ripe bison]

Ive seen people say that he is like season 4 but he has become completely melded with the vines

I dont reallt have context. I just know he looks like a thumb in season 4

[knotty estuary]

yeah he looks like the grinch in s4

[round crow]

they kind of avoid full body shots with vecna in s4 to make him look bigger/scarier than he would if he was just kind of standing around like he is in dbd

[knotty estuary]

yes exactly the body looks like its from s4 and the head looks like its from s5 its weird

[round crow]

hes almost fully prosthetic so you get the same kind of ridiculousness looking at behind the scenes pictures of him just sitting in his chair lmao

[ripe bison]

He looks like a peen

[knotty estuary]

is there any more info about whats going to release with the chapter cuz my friend sent me a picture of an og survivor in an hellfire shirt and idk where to find it

[ripe bison]

Maybe its from a datamine?

[knotty estuary]

and someone in a twitch stream said mr whatsit skin is going to come but idk

[granite furnace]

i think it was leaked that all ogs are going to get hellfire shirts

[round crow]

i hope steve and nancy get more cosmetics. especially nancy with the s4 blue dress when they visit the asylum

[granite furnace]

might also apply to the stranger things survs

[round crow]

that'd be so cool bro

[knotty estuary]

i think that would be cool tho. they could definitely do the skin and have the big arm like he does in the show

[round crow]

kind of glad this one got delayed the ptb is very smooth compared to like the shit that happened when twd was running behind schedule

[knotty estuary]

fr and im hoping we eventually get the whole party as skins. like will mike and lucas for dustin and max for el. but that might be asking for too much

[granite furnace]

Nancy in the nurse uniform is a need. Also would love to see their final battle cosmetics come to the game

[round crow]

i keep seeing people w the jim the beam pfps cause of how ptb saves work and it reminds me of the dark times we crawled out of

[ripe bison]

Found this in dbdleaks. Probably posted to some social platform?

[granite furnace]

I hope the dustin and eleven teamwork perks get a small buff

[knotty estuary]

yes this was the picture so it was a leak

[round crow]

its so disappointing they never worked out a system to give legendary survivors their own cosmetics cause even just more robin skins would be awesome

[knotty estuary]

fr no offense but the scoops ahoy outfit gets boring so fast

[round crow]

i appreciate them making sure the scoops ahoy duo is gonna be possible but i want more 😭

especially because the dbd robin model is so good

[granite furnace]

they just need to rework the legendary skin system

[knotty estuary]

like and i need more eleven outfits

[ripe bison]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaksDBD/comments/1q5sarq/940_ptb_datamine_upcoming_events_upcoming/

[knotty estuary]

cuz that s3 fit is good but it aint cuttin it

[ripe bison]

Heres tbe datamine. Apparently theres going to be some kind of lighthouse map?

[granite furnace]

make it so that a survivor can have multiple legendaries of the same character and once you buy one the others recieve a discount to be the same price as purple skins, and you can mix and match outfit parts belonging to the same character

[round crow]

im grateful for the s3 fit but i need the yellow and black gap outfit and the roller rink dress and bangs

[knotty estuary]

yes yes

[round crow]

they have genuinely probably lost tens of thousands of dollars in revenue by setting up the system in a way that gave rebecca chambers more cosmetics than chris redfield

[granite furnace]

nobody gaf about Rebecca give me shirtless carlos

that's 15 dollars out of my pocket IMMEDIATELY

[ripe bison]

Literally gigachad Carlos

[knotty estuary]

dbd is gonna rob me dry with this chapter im hoping they dont nerf vecna to the ground

[ripe bison]

He seems well recieved, at least here he has

Havent looked at the forum yet.

[granite furnace]

oh they're going to bring me to financial ruin if there's any more legendary skins

[round crow]

they should either keep him as is or look at his add ons

[granite furnace]

max, lucas, joyce, hop, karen? all insta buys

[round crow]

chess piece probably has crazy potential if you can like aim

[ripe bison]

His addons need changing

[knotty estuary]

if they bring the whole party and a mr whatsit skin or any skin voiced by jamie i will actually go broke with a smile on my face

[round crow]

joyce genuinely cannot be a legendary i cant handle it

[ripe bison]

He should not be able to both break pallets and damage generators with his power via a brown addon

[granite furnace]

i fear its the best we're gonna get

[round crow]

i just stopped maining quentin i cant go back

[knotty estuary]

omg they should also add els epilogue fit

[ripe bison]

[round crow]

we will live in a world where an unlicensed faceless version of quentin smith from a nightmare on elm street 2010 is slightly more customizable than the winona ryder skin

[ripe bison]

Ya know I just realized

Even if thus chapter got delayed the timing worked out in the end

Instead of it coinciding with the start if season 5 and the holiday season, it is coinciding with the finally of seaosn 5

[granite furnace]

because today is conformity gate yippee!!!!

[knotty estuary]

can someone explain the whole clock part of his power? all i know is u have to hit someone twice with ur vine attack then a clock appears and u can injure them or something. but why is it red at first and how do survivors make it go down

[ripe bison]

Idk what this means

[tardy palm]

holy shit creel looks kinda crazy

[round crow]

when the clock comes up it lets your power start to do damage instead of just making the clock go up. there are two phases, the first 3/4 of the clock can be sped up by listening to music at a grandfather clock, the last fourth has to be waited through and it lasts like a little over a minute

[granite furnace]

so after a survivor gains 2 tokens of worldbreaker, worldbreaker mode begins. When In worldbreaker, you no longer inflict tokens, but instead deal damage. You can damage anyone, not just the survivor you hit twice.

[knotty estuary]

ohh

[granite furnace]

I love how the music on the clocks is clearly legally distinct running up that hill

[round crow]

so they cant just totally delete your power because you'll always have it for that last miunute but also its free pressure because survivors will never let you stay in damage mode for like the 4+ minutes the timer normally lasts for

speeding up the clock takes like i think 20 seconds

[ripe bison]

Its its similar to freddy's power. If he hits you with one if his two powers you accumulate tokens, and after getting 2 or 3 you are forced into the upsidedown for a period of time. If youre in the upsidedown you can be injured and downed by Vecna's powers like with freddy, but you cant immedietly escape like Freddy's nightmare world. You can only shorten the time it lasts by using the clocks around the map.

[round crow]

kind of disappointing they didnt get the license or at least just make it an iron maiden track they have the rights to

[granite furnace]

also once a survivor has 4 tokens it only takes one hit on them to activate worldbreaker, and you can mori them in worldbreaker if they have 2 hooks and you down them with the vines

[round crow]

yes they get like stuck in place and you have to walk up to them its weird but so cool

had a vecna earlier that didnt know it was a thing and kept looking at me back and forth while i was floating in place like it was my fault lmao

[ripe bison]

Ultimately it comes down to just, grtting hit by his powers will eventually forced you into the upsidedown for a period of time where his powers become very lethal

And you can lower the time by interacting with clocks

[granite furnace]

licensing is very tricky to handle, they would need approval from Netflix to do iron maiden, and getting even a single song as popular as running up that hill or master of puppets would be ridiculously expensive and not something behavior would likely want to maintain in the long run.

[long bay]

yall, have you realized that vecna 2.0 can upside down through breakable walls?(as well as pallets and vaults)

[ripe bison]

That really funny

I gotta try that in the pig mal

[woven hill]

I hope to god they pull a Maggie and fix Nancy's cheeks before the update releases 🙏

[granite furnace]

honestly I feel like the condition is too specific and could use some loosening

[round crow]

i love her crouch perk sm

[granite furnace]

bring urban evasion and open handed with it it's so good

[ripe bison]

Does it detect traps?

I know it detects the hatch.

[round crow]

it works w open handedddd????

[ripe bison]

Yeah

Pretty sure the dustin medkit perk works with open handed too for some reason.

Wait no ooen hand the other thing.

[granite furnace]

I don't think this chapter could have gone any better tbh

[round crow]

like flashbang?

[granite furnace]

Imagine the 27th rolls around and we find out the survivors aren't voiced by their actors 💀

would lowkey ruin the whole thing

[round crow]

nah the scream is definitely gaten and it explains why they chose dustin cause gatens played dbd on their stream before. eleven sounds like an impersonator though

[ripe bison]

Its pretty clear that Vecna has his actual actor due to his activity in twitter Im sure they got the same for the others

[granite furnace]

I'm really hoping eleven's screams are just her having 2 actors like twd survs

[round crow]

i didnt think vecna sounded quite right tbh

[round crow]

rick grimes scream incident ☹️

[granite furnace]

nah, vecna in game sounds nothing like Jamie Campbell Bower. Its likely that his legendary will be him tho cause there's leaked voice lines where the voice is unmistakably jamie's.

[ripe bison]

Either way Dustin's voice acting is genuinely amazing. You can really hear him willing himself forwards while he is in pain and pushing through. He has so much character without any dialogue in the ptb

[celest hare]

Was this real or AI???

[round crow]

those were all AI

[granite furnace]

ai

[celest hare]

It looks very similar LMAO

[orchid brook]

does anyone know if knights path placement turning is still bugged?

[celest hare]

I haven't side by sided it yet tho I'm lazy, good to know tho ty

[granite furnace]

ai is really scary nowadays. Crazy how it's able to replicate the dbd style so easily

[ripe bison]

Didnt mention it in the patch notes

[celest hare]

I know omfg still not perfect but holyy

[ripe bison]

Meh its usually clear

[celest hare]

Speaking of ai this happened earlier

[celest hare]

Usually sure but if it's trying not to be it can be very eeeugh

[ripe bison]

Theres always some flaws which to dodge have to be scraled around with low quality stuff

[celest hare]

It = the prompter lol

[round crow]

i just dont like the speed at which it improves it makes keeping up with the giveaways hard

i still cant believe ai generated content isnt required to have a watermark on it

[ripe bison]

Idk dude its pretty obvious to me when I see

[celest hare]

^ rn it's like some AI crap you just have an off feeling about but you wouldn't be able to prove it, unless maybe you digitally forensics'd that shit lmao

[granite furnace]

the ai overview is genuinely so awful

[celest hare]

Same but that was a while ago

[granite furnace]

like I've never seen something so unhelpful

[round crow]

idk i dont like not being able to tell at a glance. if im just scrolling by i probably wont think twice because i used to never have to lol

[ripe bison]

Stable Diffusion is open source

[celest hare]

Holy fuck I want to mori irl whoever implemented it/basically forces it

[round crow]

my favorite is when i look something up and ai overview tells me to look it up on google

[celest hare]

Y'know one positive is now more people don't believe everything they see lol

[celest hare]

You're fucking joking. You're joking.

[granite furnace]

In theory you can add -ai to the end of your search to remove it but in practice im too lazy and just scroll past it instantly

[celest hare]

Chatgpt once told me it'd answer my question at a later date (not a feature)

[celest hare]

Inexcusable that there's no setting for it*

[granite furnace]

the thing with llms is that they are quite literally glorified autocomplete so they're just saying whatever sounds right with a little bit of randomness

[celest hare]

-# ||Me? Tf? Lmao||

[ripe bison]

Chatgpt is a chat bot at the end of the day. It looks for responses to generator word by word based on aggrigate data and doesn't really "think".

[celest hare]

It's hilarious because before you realise how bad it is at first you take it semi seriously because of that, but then you notice it's absolutely full of shit

[ripe bison]

Which is helpful for specific actually important uses involving organizing data in a structured envirement but recreationally its more or less a toy

[granite furnace]

they make up SO. MUCH.

[celest hare]

^ it's a tool, lol both definitions

[ripe bison]

Theyre still quite impressive for actual specific usages involving organizing data but you have to like, set it up for that specifically

[celest hare]

And then the AI is wrong sometimes I'm going to crash a plane into your servers

[round crow]

one time i fell for that thing where its like just talk to chatgpt about your feelings and it immediately told me i had like every personality disorder and i gave up

[celest hare]

The 'personality' it has as well is unbearable

[ripe bison]

Corn

[celest hare]

I've seen this one guy parody it it's so funny

[quiet geyser]

Is it only me Or vecnas undergate attack is very ease to dodge?

[granite furnace]

i feel like using ai for data and stuff is perfectly fine like whatever it's stuff that nobody wants to do and it can do it much faster. What i don't like is executives trying to replace creatives with ai

[ripe bison]

Depends on the situation in my experience?

[quiet geyser]

Like this killer is definitely A tier nowhere near S tier

[ripe bison]

Like on an indoor map its gonna be really hard

[granite furnace]

yes it's easy usually but if you position and time correctly you can make it unavoidable

[ripe bison]

Its really hard and rare to reach s tier tbf

[quiet geyser]

Yeah on indoor map it's gonna be hard.

[ripe bison]

He excells on indoor maps in general

Cause the survivors have no room to maneurver

[granite furnace]

s tier is permanently reserved for blight and nurse probably

[quiet geyser]

I see. From what I experienced I played against bots and they just hold W and dodge it very easily no matter where I start the undergate attack

[ripe bison]

No Spirit used to be S tier back in the day. Like, survivors instsnt disconnecting S tier and she took a long time to get nerfed.

She was up there with Nurse and Blight

[quiet geyser]

I don't think vecna requires any nerf or buff tbh. Just some bugs fixes.

[granite furnace]

if you can mindgame them into double vaulting you can get a near guaranteed hit

[ripe bison]

Also Krasue wad S tier before she got nerfed

[quiet geyser]

Yeah vaulting is a whole different play than it's garrantied hit but in an open area you can run away

[quiet geyser]

Isn't she still very powerful?

[ripe bison]

They need to change up his addons. An addon that lets him both break pallets AND damagr generators using his power should not be brown

[quiet geyser]

Oh yeah I forgot about the addons

[ripe bison]

Shes strong yeah but she isnt completely game breaking like she was in release.

[granite furnace]

if they tone down a lot of his add ons they won't need to nerf base kit I feel

[ripe bison]

Yeah totally

[quiet geyser]

He is strong without any addons imo

[granite furnace]

like you said that pallet/gen breaking add on is insane

[quiet geyser]

So if they don't give him any addons it will be fine 🤣

[ripe bison]

Him being annoying on indoor maps is whatever. A lot og killers are.

Also its really funny that both Vecnas excel on gideons specifically

[quiet geyser]

But they r definitely going to Nerf him sadly 🤧.

[ripe bison]

Depends in the feedback

Hell they buffed Krasue last time (which is why she was broken )

[quiet geyser]

Y'all know what the feed back already is

Same as krasue and ghoul ptbs

Even though he isn't really game breaking like them

[ripe bison]

Krause PTB was muddled and overshadowed by the chaos that was Behavior throwing in like 5-10 difderent antitunnel/slug ideas all into a single PTB alongside a major killer rework and a new killer

Only feedback they really got about Krasue was that her head form felt clunky, so they changed up her collision and left her infections staying when hooked for live and as a result made her absuedly overpowered.

[quiet geyser]

Idk I have a bad feeling he will get nerfed and turn into almost useless. They buff new killers so people buy than nerf them down in next update.

[ripe bison]

We will have to see

[quiet geyser]

What changes she got? After the nerf

I haven't played her since collecting 9000 shard is very time taking

[ripe bison]

Generally speaking they changed her collision and I think the length of her head attack so she cant hug walls and completely defy every loop in the game. Also slowed down her power vault, made her infections disapear when someone gets hooked, and increased the ammount of mushrooms that appear

[quiet geyser]

I love the chase music and animations of this killer. Super cool. The mori is also decent the unique mori is way better tho. You actually feel like real vecna.

[ripe bison]

This is one of the best killers they have ever put out

[quiet geyser]

Hmm so now she is A tier right? Before she was S tier

[quiet geyser]

Agreed ✔️

[ripe bison]

Hes so incredibly interactive and thrilling to play against. He somehow mamaged to cover both interesting and thrilling chase with super well done interactive macro elements.

[quiet geyser]

And almost balanced basekit power too?

[tame rapids]

is there a real way to avoid getting hit while he gets out of swamp

besides lockers

[quiet geyser]

It's very easy to dodge tbh. Just hold W

[ripe bison]

You mean his tunneling thing? You just gotta start running the moment you see him coming.

[quiet geyser]

I tried the undergate attack and they dodged it every single time. Maybe a skill issue but it didn't even hit once man.

[ripe bison]

Cant loligag gotta run like bell

[tame rapids]

from what I've seen it's either really close or you get hit no matter what since he's much faster than your W and the range is too big

without addons equipped at least

[quiet geyser]

My experience was opposite to this lol

[ripe bison]

Hus ranged attack is what feels close a lot.

[tame rapids]

well I've seen it used by starting to pop out while slightly ahead of them

[round crow]

yeah but if survivors predict it you lose a ton of distance

[tame rapids]

they always got hit by a really tight margin

[quiet geyser]

Fr

[tame rapids]

any further back and he would've missed basically

[quiet geyser]

I think playing against bots will show u how easy is to dodge that attack.

When I start undergate attack near them they run opposite way or just hold W and escape it

[ripe bison]

Yeah. Also her playercount dropped off a clif

[quiet geyser]

Easily

[tame rapids]

i thought about turning back but it doesn't look like it's that much better than just running forward

maybe it's more effective but wouldn't you have to be forced to run back somewhere you likely have no resources in

[round crow]

you kind of just have to predict what hes gonna do

[quiet geyser]

I think on indoor maps it will be really hard to dodge

But in outside map it's easy

[tame rapids]

it's probably harder to notice him coming in outdoors map because of grass / ground color

unless he's very loud

[quiet geyser]

Yeah a lot thinks she is weak now

[ripe bison]

No its jsut shes not S tier anymore so people stopped caring.

[quiet geyser]

Hmm

[tame rapids]

i played her shortly after the 3rd nerf and it didn't seem that much weaker to me
good players actually had the choice to avoid her after that

[round crow]

the vecna remote kicking perk is so nice

[stoic fractal]

Anyone uf for some games (kyf) on the ptb rn?

[tame rapids]

it sucks that they release perks that a lot of killers need nowdays on killers you have no choice but to pay for

does it trigger other gen kick perks

[round crow]

is there a way to avoid triggering worldbreaker when playing vecna? like so i can token everyone equally

[round crow]

i dont think so its just kind of a very convenient kick

i'd imagine it's like pain res where it ignores things like blast mine though

it also doesnt work through walls you have to have LoS on the gen even though it doesnt say that in the description

[tame rapids]

so map rng can make it useless

if you get lerys you'll almost never have a direct los with a gen that's really far away

[wide needle]

Is 2v8 coming back or?

[lunar spruce]

ye but you wont be able to play it in ptb till tomorrow

[wide needle]

Ty!

[round crow]

i dont think its exceptionally good or bad its just kind of nice to have. its mostly useful for when you catch a survivor on a gen and you want to start chasing them but you dont want to give them a free gen.

[tame rapids]

to be honest you can use that and people can't bait hits at 99% gen to finish it in front of you

same with people who do that with blast mine for smart cookies who kick the gen before hitting you

[lunar spruce]

tbh i feel like its lowkey a waste of a perk slot 99% of the time pop or pain res would be better

[tame rapids]

meta perks are indeed better than niche ones but it gets old after using them 50 times in a row

[round crow]

i mean every perk looks bad next to pain res. and it works really good with pain res

[lunar spruce]

ion really feel that way but i get what you mean

[mossy vine]

feels like it would be nice if it didn't require LOS tbh

[tame rapids]

well if it didn't require unblocked LOS you could trigger dms from across the map in EVERY map

[lunar spruce]

i mean i just feel like if its only gonna give 10% its shouldnt require los and thats what lowkey kills the perk

[mossy vine]

ah yeah good point

[tame rapids]

and that would be good on every killer not just the weaker ones with low mobility

[woven hill]

bro Steve gets a new cosmetic and Nancy only gets a hairdo and puffy cheeks? I really hope they fix her face before release 🙏

[lunar spruce]

same her face rework is unnecessary they gotta revert that

[ripe bison]

A neat detail I noticed that I havent seen pointed out is that Vecna's mapwife voiceline when someine enters the upside down becomes directional if he is close enough to you.

[tame rapids]

you could probably use it in a funny way with call of brine since from afar you'd know someone is working on it after you kicked it, and if you have both that and dms ready you could just proc it from 50 miles away and they wouldn't be able to predict it

[ripe bison]

Like if hes to your left and is within a range you will hear it from the left, but farther away theres no direction fornit

[mossy vine]

well only 20 meters away

since that is its range limit

[lunar spruce]

Bro i just wish vecna lowkey had better adds cuz his add ons are so dirt

[tame rapids]

they might change a few ones but his brown addon is good

having good brown add-ons is way better than having good iri ones

[lunar spruce]

the only good ones imo are his brown tht gives him 2 more meters when outside of worldbreaker and the add on that basically gives hime sloppy butcher for his m2 lowkey hope they buff some of his other add ons

[mossy vine]

i like the one that makes everyone broken for 20 sec after worldbreaker paired with the one that mangles and hemorraghes after vine hit

[tame rapids]

the one that makes him block windows is good too , though he can pretty much ignore those

[lunar spruce]

ye i feel like the add ons that help his other ability suck because you only really use for map traversal and rarely get hits with it

[mossy vine]

you need to predict their movement or get them at a window to hit

they just barely have enough time to get out if you pop it on top of them

[lunar spruce]

against good survs tht most likely wont happen because its so easy to avoid

[mossy vine]

so yeah it's not very good against survs who know how it works

[tame rapids]

you gotta be slightly ahead and they have to keep holding W and they will barely get hit

if you're already on top of them they will barely make it out

[mossy vine]

you can also bait them to double back if they know about this

[tame rapids]

i think the ability is good in tight loops with windows like a TL

you can probably get away with using it there since it's harder to directly get out of

exception is lithe tho

[mossy vine]

yeah, it's def a more situational power

[lunar spruce]

i mean maybe but like realistically you'll end up just giving them free distance

[mossy vine]

y'know i feel like the vines CD is a bit too short

[tame rapids]

if you push them to a TL and they're up against a window or having to run left or right you are more likely to hit them

[mossy vine]

you can spam it so incredibly quick

[lunar spruce]

kinda but lowkey i feel like it needs to be short cuz its so easy to miss

[tame rapids]

it's short because you need to hit it a bunch of times for it to actually deal damage

if it dealt direct it'd definitely have a longer cd

[lunar spruce]

that too but its most of the time is jjust guessing where the surv if finna go so i hope they wouldnt increase the cd

[mossy vine]

right but I think that makes it too strong in worldbreaker, as a suggestion it could have a longer CD in worldbreaker

[tame rapids]

like the thing is you get slowed down a lot if you miss but the range is so big you're likely going be able to get away with it if you just land the next M2

especially if you run predator and you can straight up see where the guy is going

[lunar spruce]

i mean but you have to get 2 stackes before worldbreaker i feel like lowkey making his cd slower would just kill him unless you make his m2 radius bigger aswell

[mossy vine]

exactly so he would only have slower CD in worldbreaker like i suggested

[tame rapids]

can survivors see where you're aiming or not

[mossy vine]

no they cant

[tame rapids]

if you make it bigger then it would be unfair

[lunar spruce]

no but they can see his power on the ground right before it hits

[lunar spruce]

i means if your nerfing his cd then no

[mossy vine]

I think the power is really easy to hit when you have line of sight, you just need to have a little patience and not pop it as soon as you pull up

[tame rapids]

or wait for them to animation lock themselves

[mossy vine]

on loops without line of sight you are doing more predicting

[mossy vine]

yeah ofc

[lunar spruce]

even at loops with los its still a predication a lot of the time

[tame rapids]

if you know the checkspots locations (common in shacks) you can just hit them from the opposite side of the building

cause they'll be waiting there to see you or the red light and if they stand still they defo get hit

[lunar spruce]

only if they hold W like a bot or you predict their pathing

if they go wide on most their tiles its very hard to hit your m2

cuz atp they can lowkey go anywhere

[tame rapids]

if they go wide it's easier to catch up through your m1 or to push them out of the loop

so most of them will french kiss the wall

[lunar spruce]

depoends on the tile and if your trynna get stacks for worldbreaker or just secure a down

[tame rapids]

you probably need to distinguish when it's more convenient to just hit them or try to get stacks

[lunar spruce]

imo it just depends on how much pressure you have

[tame rapids]

he seems good in most places

the real sweats could probably play around shack very easily with m2

[lunar spruce]

shack can be good but its lowkey pretty easy to get a m2 hit on shack

[tame rapids]

i could think of many scenarios in which if someone just plays shack the same way they ever did you could pull some stuff on them

[round crow]

i think it makes sense that it doesnt do it just as its own perk but i think it should if you already know the gen isnt regressing with like surveillance or something

[mossy vine]

his power just seems very unpredictable in loops, i think his anti loop would still be strong with a higher CD in worldbreaker

[mossy vine]

well, unpredictable as long as the vecna is good

[round crow]

also its kind of annoying you cant use it freely while using powers. i dont see a real balance reason for it and the alternative is cool huntress telepathic gen kick into a trickshot clips like why are we being robbed

[tame rapids]

they won't be that good for a while

[tame rapids]

the complaints of the survivor mains would be heard before they even think about this solution

[mossy vine]

I have seen way too many vecnas just fire immediately every time they pull their power up kinda like new huntresses

[tame rapids]

you're slower when you hold m2 right

[round crow]

hes like in that nurse pyramid head lane where hes objectively strong but he can still be fun to play against. closer to pyramid head than nurse obviously

[round crow]

much much slower

[tame rapids]

it's a big gamble to play around it against someone who's good against that type of ranged killers

[mossy vine]

yeah

[tame rapids]

pyramid head already kinda feels miserable against them, can't imagine vecna after people adapt
the cd might feel broken now but it will be balanced when people learn how to counter him effectively

[lunar spruce]

i just feel like currently a cd nerf is unecessary you can make his counter play better i lowkey dont really have any good ways that wouldnt make it just downright impossible to use him but im sure they could do something with the clocks that helps survs against his m2

[tame rapids]

it's not a krasue situation i know that much

[round crow]

i think his cd is fine considering hes the first pure 110 killer we've gotten in a while and hes only dealing damage half the time

[tame rapids]

and you need to really make use of that time in which you can't get kicked out of your power

so there's pressure on how efficient you have to be with it

[runic girder]

You never know till theyr fully in live they buffed krasue when she came live so

[tame rapids]

i mean yeah but you could definitely tell the potential krasue had with just a slight tweak

to me vecna wouldn't get to no counterplay levels with just a slight tweak

[runic girder]

Hes got some busted addons that need rework

Or bumped in rarity for sure

[astral cipher]

Because half the community complained about her being weak and clunky on the ptb

[round crow]

i feel like killer as a whole was weak and clunky on her ptb lol

[inner quiver]

Really underwhelming no killer is really that unique anymore after they continued to use the same formula for 10years

[astral cipher]

What

[round crow]

i mean to be fair dbd has always been a very samey type of game

[astral cipher]

No and like

What is that “same formula”

[stoic crypt]

i legit don’t think he needs any changes, right now if u play the ptb survivors are decently good at dodging his anti loop and it hasn’t even been a full day yet

his anti loop is a lot like springtrap where u have to be patient

[runic girder]

She deffo wasnt weak xdd

[astral cipher]

Didn’t say she was

[flint oyster]

yeah oftentimes the threat of the vines is greater than what the vines themselves do

[astral cipher]

She was just significantly worse than she even is nowadays

[flint oyster]

you hold it and survivors don't dare to use the pallet or vault near them so you can zone them out of it and get a free hit anyway

[runic girder]

Yh nws i mean weill see what they do with vecna

[stoic crypt]

like the skill ceiling for vecna is just high as hell man like

[flint oyster]

krasue's big problem was being released in the same ptb as the dogshit antitunnel changes

[stoic crypt]

he will hit survivors if he’s good, if not survivors will win easy

[flint oyster]

she would have been reviewed objectively and seen as an okay killer if they didnt test two completely different things that can and will interact in one ptb which is a terrible fucking idea

[stoic crypt]

vecna is just really strong at slugging but again they will learn to adapt, i don’t think we will see nerfs behavior hasnt been that bad, after ghoul ptb they didn’t slaughter him and waited for survivors to learn to play against him first

[flint oyster]

mmm i think he's more a tight skill floor

if you hit the floor where youre decently competent there's still a good bit of ceiling but its not an insane difference between floor and ceiling compared to the average killer

[round crow]

im not gonna lie i havent taken off zanshin for a single vecna match lol

[stoic crypt]

i haven’t ran it yet

i have been trying to make a very good build with his perks but most seem fine

[flint oyster]

i dont think zanshin is a good idea because dropping pallets is a horrible decision against vecna

[stoic crypt]

vecna is very good at defending hexes, that’s another thing

[flint oyster]

its just that people are kind of dumb rn

[stoic crypt]

yeah this also, survivors bluff the pallet throw more than actually throwing them

[flint oyster]

im currently using uhhh painres dms secret project and i'm all ears

but yeah he would be insane with a good hex build, hive mind is actually huge value because it lets you get a nasty ass 3gen

[stoic crypt]

i’m all ears underrated, which it got a buff tho

[round crow]

the throw aura is nice the main thing i like it for is its a nice visual guideline for where to aim the vines

[stoic crypt]

the first is better than the lich imo not close

[granite oriole]

Vaulting windows is also a bad idea against him. All you can do is hold W and cut LoS

[flint oyster]

ohhh yeah that's actually quite useful it lets you know where to aim when you hear the vault noise without having to guesstimate

[stoic crypt]

lich is b tier, while the first is A

[flint oyster]

i think theyre comparable in terms of strength though stecna has a little more oomph than dndecna

[round crow]

cause double tapping someone is way easier when you have a good idea of the rooms layout. i had a game where i hit an eleven from two rooms away she probably thought i had a third eye

[flint oyster]

see this is the kind of shit i love playing killer for

[stoic crypt]

he just has a bigger threat level imo

[flint oyster]

singularity and first both make me feel gigabrain when i do the plays well

[stoic crypt]

i’m considering maining vecna but who knows, have to see how he holds up after ptb

[stoic crypt]

hitting a god vine makes u feel like the goat

[granite oriole]

I wonder if Vecna with play with your food will get every single hit from the underground attack

[flint oyster]

type of shit that makes you say dracula flow quotes out loud

[round crow]

genuinely hitting flow state on vecna with thwack lmao

[old meteor]

What addons are the best for vecna to use?

[round crow]

it depends on your build but you can get a lot of good pressure out of the sloppy butcher one. and i like the one that gives you aura on people you hit outside of worldbreaker just cause it makes getting the next hit easier

[jade laurel]

Why does vecna seem really strong

A tier?