ptb-discussion

[severe aspen]

Also, as I've not gotten to play the other side in this PTB yet, is her scream when she goes into Head Form global?

[fluid fern]

if her infections felt punishing she'd feel stronger throughout the match

[digital forge]

Four starting shrooms feels fair, that's one per person until she inevitably spawns more

[obsidian dagger]

clean up that lunge
rework cleansing
make her able to vault when flying (if we're feeling spicy)
give her head form a regular m1

[fluid fern]

rn she's just forced to be a dash killer with 3 hit states

[merry ledge]

should be 7 starting out

[gray night]

The problem with it woudl occur with the addon they all run that is ir

[fluid fern]

no valuting while in fly

[gray night]

I guess the iri addon could just spawn more mushies

[digital forge]

I think that's why Lorenzo's remains is so popular

[severe aspen]

Not helping the rage bait claims.

[merry ledge]

😭

[obsidian dagger]

"if we're feeling adventurous"

[fluid fern]

and a regular M1 would be terrible

[obsidian dagger]

what?

[merry ledge]

I miss m1 killers

[digital forge]

Bubba I'm so sorry but it's hard not to disagree with you 90% of the time

[merry ledge]

ari no

[fluid fern]

that would significantly lower the skill expression, we dont need M2 holding simulator killer #42

just play Doritohead if thats your preference

[obsidian dagger]

i meant ontop of her dash, harlot

or is that what ur arguing against somehow?

[fluid fern]

I know what you meant and its a bad idea

[digital forge]

yknow that guy that does the Scream videos about which killer killed who? They should so make an episode for scream queens season 1 cause I already KNOW who has the highest kill count

[obsidian dagger]

and here we see a dbd player in the wild, they think special attacks are a bad idea

[fluid fern]

she has 120% movement speed, and can vault pallets extremely fast why tf should she have an M1, harlot

[merry ledge]

Survivors need more skill checks

[digital forge]

How do you make spoiler text I wanna say who I think got the most kills but I'm not a spoiling old prune that hates everyone who hasn't watched something before me

[gray night]

lmfao

[digital forge]

I agree with this because interactivity but also like gens are already fast as it is so I'm torn

[gritty flume]

on another note i hope this update goes live so i dont have to fucking wait in killer queue

[obsidian dagger]

have you seen that vault? there is half a second before and after the animation of just doing n o t h i ng

[gray night]

this is probably what I am looking forward to the most

[fluid fern]

it outplays jungle gyms, you're trolling

[gray night]

all the babies rq from killer so I can finally not just sit in que all night

[digital forge]

THE OLD BARDIC INSPO SONG MY BELOVED WHEN WILL YOU RETURN

[fluid fern]

and it outplays shack

[obsidian dagger]

chucky did it faster and better

[fluid fern]

chucky doesn't have flight

[digital forge]

And by proxi so did Jennifer Tilly

[fluid fern]

and can phase through and past survivors to deny loops

[fluid fern]

again, you're trolling 🤡

[obsidian dagger]

is any of that a reason why she should feel like wannabe wesker when attacking? 💀

[fluid fern]

she can also see way more in thrid person than Chucky can because fo her height

[digital forge]

Wait why is it only now clicking that Tiffany is a combination of Jennifer Tilly's first and last name omg the Chucky writers' minds

[obsidian dagger]

LMFAO

[fluid fern]

wesker can't toggle between 2 movement abilities

and doesnt have 3rd person

[digital forge]

Oh that mind of yours is ABSURD

[obsidian dagger]

are you calling her lunge a movement ability? im so confused

[fluid fern]

and is 115%

[gray night]

Such an easy bin

[fluid fern]

its a special attack, and it is a dash that has more range than an M1, are you actually being serious or are you intentionally being dense

[obsidian dagger]

as it stands rn it plays more like a lunge than a special attack, and it feels bad because of it she has a hard time with pallets and windows because the attack just refuses to hit them during it, yea she can fault them but on short loops where constant vaults are forced you just have to... suffer! this can be solved by an m1 💀

[fluid fern]

wesker cant vault a pallet and then lunge to hit the survivor before they make the window with an M1 at ajungle gym

[fluid fern]

you're simply just missing the dash

[velvet flax]

How good is the Krause or will she need a buff in the future?

[obsidian dagger]

because half a second of the D key removed any aspect of aim!

[fluid fern]

so you got juked

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[obsidian dagger]

its widely believed that its WAY too easy to sidestep, this is an issue of it feeling bad, not of skill 😔

[paper dock]

I usually agree with you @fluid fern , but I don't think I would call the head lunge a movement ability. When I think movement abilities, I think of things that let you get around the map quickly or catch up to survivors. I think this difference in opinion between you two might be a semantics issue 😅

[fluid fern]

wesker's grab hitbox is currently too forgiving, krasue's is perfect

[fluid fern]

the game literally calls it a special attack, it is coded as a special attack, it is not a lunge

[obsidian dagger]

i t p l a y s l i k e a l u n g e

[fluid fern]

then why are you missing

[paper dock]

Special attack, lunge, they're still attacks primarily.

[obsidian dagger]

because it locks you into a straight line??

[fluid fern]

so its a dash

[gray night]

Special attacks are what people talk about when they say "dash"

Movemoent abilities is like dredge, head on flight, sdako Tvs etc...

[obsidian dagger]

you can turn during lunges, you SHOULD be able to turn during lunges, if something PLAYS LIKE A LUNGE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TURN </3
in no realm are you using head forms M1 to traverse the map

[fluid fern]

Her spit is laughably easy to hit, her dash should require skill expression

[gray night]

who the f said they are traversing the map with headforms m1

[fluid fern]

there isnt even cooldown or slowdown on the spit

[merry ledge]

just got my first win as a survivor on the ptb, I played 15 games already... surv really doesn't have it easier

[paper dock]

Snail considers the head attack to be a movement ability

[fluid fern]

you just agreed that it isnt a lunge

and that it is in fact a dash

[obsidian dagger]

do you know what planet you're on?

[fluid fern]

it doesnt function like a lunge therefore it isnt a lunge and is a dash attack

[fluid fern]

Im on Earth hbu

[nocturne whale]

guys do yall have the new killer?

[fluid fern]

it is an action that provides a burst of speed larger than default killer's kit

[paper dock]

Everybody on the PTB does

[nocturne whale]

whats that?

[paper dock]

Public Test Branch

[nocturne whale]

hiw do i get in?

[fluid fern]

Beta

[quasi thistle]

Blight struggling to get 2K on the PTB is mental
Suddenyl S tier killers are B tier

[paper dock]

Oh is it public Test beta? Goober moment

[fluid fern]

[fluid fern]

then that Blight is bad. Good Blights wont have any issues

[obsidian dagger]

a "dash" that short, with such a long burst of slowdown after it might not literally be called a lunge, but it behaves exactly like a lunge!

[fluid fern]

it clearly doesnt

[paper dock]

It does do that, but do you move faster across the map by spamming it, or is the cooldown animation long enough to make it slower than just holding W?

[quasi thistle]

Top post on the subreddit is a comp DBD player on blight being crippled by these changes, I am SURE you are better than him

[paper dock]

I'm genuinely asking, that's not something I've messed with

[candid holly]

i think this patch made springtrap too OP remove his scapula

[fluid fern]

oh you mean when he went agaisnt the #1 survivor team in the world, he got a 2k

you know that was possible before this patch right?

[obsidian dagger]

imagine basic attacking acrost the map, with the same slowdown after, you have like an extra meter or two yeah, but that doesnt replace the fact she moves at 0.1 m/s for a second

[gray night]

you are leaving out the fact that they had tournament opponents lmfao

These are pro people going against each other

[paper dock]

Yeah I'd be surprised if it was faster, but without testing it myself I don't want to say anything with certainty

[gray night]

not pro people going against randoms

[quasi thistle]

I am trying to copy the full context but linking doesn't work

Even with pro opponents a blight should not struggle like that

[clear fog]

If they lost because of the changes I feel like it still proves the changes are crippling

[gray night]

What?

[obsidian dagger]

also not to mention they literally bound her dash to m1, it was clearly meant to be a modified lunge

[paper dock]

Yeah don't even bother with that one, brother 💀

[gray night]

Hold up let me look at the winter circuit really quick

[fluid fern]

I read the context. They're taking exactly one game and making a shitpost on it to try and convince the devs to revert the PTB

I will wait to watch Hens333's video and not some random person's reddit post

[quasi thistle]

Ah right, every single streamer agreeing the changes are shit are shitposting

ALL HAIL BHVR

[obsidian dagger]

you dont even need evidence to see the changes are terrible for killers, reading exists

[fluid fern]

Dead by Daylight is not an Esport

[clear fog]

These changes are still shit regardless of that video and there's so many reasons why

[clear fog]

Or God forbid actually play the ptb

[obsidian dagger]

i was defending you, ho?

[clear fog]

I know I was agreeing with you

[obsidian dagger]

oh im tweaking

a few deep breaths are in order, brb 😭

[quasi thistle]

I know it isn't. But if an S tier killer being piloted by arguably the best player of said killer is struggling to get a 2k. The rest of us are beyond screwed.
Even in comp settings Blight is expected to be a 3k/4k

[fluid fern]

why do you expect

the game to and its playerbase to immediately adapt to groundbreaking new meta changes

Its expected to be a 3k and 4k under live servers

[clear fog]

Copy paste but The issue is that these changes are so ridiculously abusable that it's not even funny. Even if you aren't tunneling there's so many perk combos that cause you to suffer or just scenarios in general. For example, if a recently hooked survivor goes on a gen, there's no way to punish them. You can't put them back on hook, and you can't slug them either. Breakdown, with the new endurance and anti-tunnel, can easily create hook deadzones to run into where the killer can't do shit, Flip-flop power struggle + plot twist is now incredibly broken because of basekit tenacity and unbreakable, twins is now F-tier, Oni got nerfed to oblivion, off-hook aggression is even more rewarded, and with hook timers, anti-camp, anti-slug, anti-tunnel there's even-Less reason for survivors to ever leave gens. And now that you can't tunnel down to a 3v1 it is borderline impossible for sub-a tier killers to get a win ever, since there's basically no reason for a survivor to willingly leave gens

[fluid fern]

the game is supposed to be fundamentally different

[worn elm]

hey, ive been looking into the ptb but havent played it, hows it going on the killer side? ive heard nothing but doom and gloom which i do believe with the notes but im curious about the general consensus from people playing it rn

[fluid fern]

that is the point. Dead by Daylight is not the Comp DBD scene

[obsidian dagger]

you act like any previously off-meta killers will be viable after this, please do any semblance of thought

[torn python]

What do you want to know?

[fluid fern]

I will have no issues playing a healthier game in both roles

[gray night]

in the literal tournament this year. They 2 outed and the blight struggled to make it happen.

WITHOUT any of these changes

Winter Curcuit Eternal v Elysium 2025

this happened so gotta love reddit for posting nonsense

[obsidian dagger]

sadako is dead, twins have been Skull merchant'ed, any immobile killers have been gutted, like how do we think this is an ok change

[fluid fern]

COMP players have literally been given an opt out option in customs, this system change literally doesnt affect them, nor was it designed for them

[merry ledge]

you can hit the survivor on the gen causes them to have to spend time to heal themselves, all time is valuable in the game

[worn elm]

@torn python hows the killer feel with the anti tunnel and slug changes, is it presenting a big problem as ive seen people weaponize it but not sure how rampant it is, how is the feeling of having to pick and choose survivors, mainly just general feelings

[merry ledge]

it might be 10 seconds

[fluid fern]

if you want to play Comp, go play comp. Public games are not comp games

[torn python]

That's a mistake the TCM devs made to refuse do any sort of balancing and that game died out even before they stopped offering support and content updates. DBD is a "comp" game even if there's no official ranking gamemode

[fluid fern]

This

[obsidian dagger]

it feels terrible! survivors on death hook pre 6 total hooks actively flaunt the fact they are unkillable, doing gens infront of you, etc

[fluid fern]

they are literally....balancing the game every single month. Or did you forget that they killed fog vials?

[clear fog]

But it won't be healthier. Killers will play a more frustrating abd harder to manage game while survivors get hand-held through matches and are going to be going against more kanekis nurses and blights than ever before

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/pixar-finding-dory-cute-gif-7949581374841055593

[fluid fern]

no they wont, not without being punished

[raven flume]

someone played bubba in PTB

[fluid fern]

sounds fun, a Kaneki that cant win by proxying hooks and tunneling with a hitscan power sounds great

and i love chase with Blights, and Nurses

[brave hound]

does anyone actually want to play killer after these changes

[gray night]

They also played by comp rules

Your post gets worse and worse

[torn python]

Antitunnel is way too agressive towards killer, gens blocking for "tunneling" can happen at any point of the match even in endgame scenarios with 1 gen left. Slug changes are probably the worst part because they affect killers through the entire match and specially during end game when slugging is the most important part to try and snowball a victory

[worn elm]

i have EXTREME concerns of removing regressing or blocking gens if a person dies before, it feels like itll punish natural gameplay and punishing players who arent even trying to tunnel, but once again i havent played it so just curious

[fluid fern]

👆

[quick panther]

I'm thinking they could make the penalty for killing someone you just hooked prior not trigger if that person has been doing conspicuous actions of any kind for a cumulative amount of time. Like maybe 30 seconds or so.

[quasi thistle]

The game should see big changes. On that part I can agree, but every single person who saw the PTB notes called out how bad they were. Slugging happens because so many killers lack a way to exert pressure or stop gen progression without knocking down multiple survivors. Survivors have a million ways to be rescued, get a second chance to be bailed out. A single error a killer makes early on is punished three times over since three survivors are just pushing generators.

People complain about genrushing, the reply is "THEY ARE JUST DOING THE OBJECTIVE HUR DUR"

Killer sweats to rapidly remove a survivor to slow that down "THAT'S UNFAIR"

Not to mention the anti tunneling crap basically rewards bad play on survivor part. If you are last hooked, you are the golden child. The killer cannot touch you. Why hide, why make distance, why try. Just repair a generator in their face. If they slug you, you get up in seconds, if they hook to kill you. No gen regression and everyone gets a 25% boos. HORAAAAAAAAAH

[fluid fern]

Killers literally cant bring certain perk combos, or iridescent add ons

[gray night]

Yup.

Cant use brutal on blight or agi

[fluid fern]

like this is the dumbest argument Ive seen in here so far. Pain Res + DMS is banned, NOED Noway out is banend

[torn python]

Slugging changes affect massively to killers that rely on slugging or snowballing and its also way too strong

[clear fog]

While you do, and I personally like blight and nurse, the majority of survivors hate facing nurse, blight, and kaneki. They will be played more because they are affected the least by the tunneling changes and the most with the basekit buffs

[fluid fern]

yep, brutal is banned on a lot of killers

[quasi thistle]

I know comp rules, which arguably NERF survivors more since they can't use the same set of busted perks. So even without those, with the new basekit and golden child halo protection they get for being hooked.

It is pretty effing miserable

[quick panther]

I think the difference here is that generators dont get mad or fail to have fun if they get tunneled by the survivors.

[gray night]

lmfao what a stupid thing to link to us Atropus

[fluid fern]

youre just speculating. That doesnt mean we're suddenly going to have a bunch of good nurse players. We would have a league of shit nurses and Blights in que

[worn elm]

This change also feels like itll completely kill the viability of odd ball killers, the bonuses you gain for playing with Da Rules forced will not be great on non dash/ mobility killers

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[quick panther]

Rapidly removing a gen from play and rapidly removing a player are different in that sense. Should survivors be coddled and given unlimited chances to win? Nope. But still.

[quasi thistle]

old killers do not matter, buy new ones

-BHVR

[torn python]

I might personally switch to Nurse or Kaneki depending on how the balancing ends up being

[clear fog]

How long do you think that will last? It doesn't take long to learn blight and nurse to get to an average skill, and kaneki is braindead easy

[fluid fern]

Hillbilly is typing

[obsidian dagger]

trap killers have been banished to land not before known

[merry ledge]

didn't they just buff myers?

[gray night]

Nurse ... is typing

[fluid fern]

this

[fluid fern]

LITERALLY LMFAO

[gray night]

Wraith is typing

[quick panther]

Speaking of kaneki, why was the kidnap tech called a tech? you're literally just using his power in a normal way. Are we gonna call downing a survivor with hillbilly the "saw tech"?

[gray night]

Is this GKs alt ?

[robust pike]

Isn’t the new angelic killer confirmed to be a trap killer now? From the grimoire vote

[fluid fern]

Hag is typing, Spirit is typing, Slinger is typing, Twins is typing

[merry ledge]

You can get really good at any killer

[obsidian dagger]

no WAY you think hag or twins are viable after this

[fluid fern]

because they have an insane skill floor to play correctly

[fluid fern]

I will continue to play and main twins

[quasi thistle]

Nurse is the exception because she has a basekit and movement unlike any other killer and will never make anything approximating her in the future.

Hillbilly wen through a battery of reworks until they got him "right", they can undo it just as fast.

[robust pike]

Personally I LOOOVE trap killers, hag and trapper are two of my favs 💔

[gray night]

hag if anything is

How has her playstyle changed?

[quick panther]

Trap killers are not popular.

[fluid fern]

i do not gaf about whther survivors can pick themselves up

[merry ledge]

she can't bodyblock basement anymore

[worn elm]

fr, i love the unknown and it feels like even he will have struggles concidering the survivors determine if i keep my tp, let alone any killer without tp in their kit, tf is a pig, nemmy, trapper, wraith, etc etc etc gonna do when the bonus you get will be useless by the time you cross map for the most progressed gen

[robust pike]

Based asf, good twins mains scare me bc how do yall aim victor like a ballistic missile

[obsidian dagger]

very easy to unintentionally tunnel if just swinging on whoever triggers traps

[merry ledge]

where do u get these stats

[quasi thistle]

See trap killer
look on the ground to counter them
Riveting

[quick panther]

I think it's easier to find a unicorn than a hag player

[torn python]

6 hours damn, crazy hours

[fluid fern]

that simply just sounds like more blood poitns from redowns

[clear fog]

No because they fundamentally cannot keep up. They spend so much time setting up that they can no longer make up with by tunneling

[gray night]

So if you arent paying attention then glad I binned you

[raven flume]

stats.deadbydaylight dot com

[quick panther]

Dash killers best fit the game's fast pace and are the most fun to use. Of course bhvr will keep making them.

[clear fog]

Honestly might see a few with the ruin buff, but only in low mmr where they don't have her prestiged

[fluid fern]

I play more than just twins

[obsidian dagger]

why is full brainpower demanded to not be punished by a system designed to coddle towards casual players?

[quasi thistle]

why play hag when you have unknown?

Range attack and teleport

if the survivors have half a brain to remove her traps, she is useless

[gray night]

slurp

[quick panther]

I'm happy that pixelbush likes trap killers and I respect his right to use his large platform to express this, but you gotta remember he is a major outlier

[worn elm]

it sucks dude, i love learning new playstyles and playing the same killer with a slightly different ability feels so bad

[torn python]

Sweet Deathslinger stats, Doesn't change the fact that Twins is a killer whose main strength comes from slugging

[merry ledge]

how do you upload images in this chat

[robust pike]

Also a valid point, and competent survivors will go around after being hooked just disabling the traps, and all you can do is either hook them and eat the penalty or watch as they devour your traps; also devour hope got an indirect nerf this update with the “last hooked” thing not having a timer or consideration for other actions survivors do

[quasi thistle]

Seems only prestige users can

[obsidian dagger]

real

[merry ledge]

oh the active reward

[fluid fern]

Slugging is always risky, the counterplay will largely be the same. If you leave your teammates on the ground for the full 90 secodns I will win

[worn elm]

do you guys think bhvr had a corporate shake up, why are they making such weird choices lately

[obsidian dagger]

its additive btw, you are fucked lategame as any slugging focused killer

[quick panther]

They're not THAT similar.

[fluid fern]

you have to still pick people up against twins thats just not how twins works. You dont just 'win now' because I cant leave peopel in the corner for 4

[pearl pecan]

Even ignoring slugging its so easy for survivors to crawl away with bs tenacity and iron will when downed while walking over after a victor down

[robust pike]

I think it’s important to note that it’s not multiple person slugging; just slugging because victor is long range and can’t pick- so when you down a survivor you have to walk over to pick them up

[quasi thistle]

Don't try to read into corporate politics. It never ends well.
Best to just focus on the patch

[worn elm]

i like how the game is rn and the fact that its gonna be unrecognizable in a few weeks sucks to think about

[gray night]

Yea honestly this. If I see a team ignoring their pick up ill just leave it there and now Ill go get a hook on someone else. Now I have pressure on multiple survivors

[merry ledge]

I got 10hrs and a 83 kr

[clear fog]

Except it's culminative. So once you've knocked them a few times they gain infinite unbreakable. It's even worse when combined with exponential or the new plot twist

[fluid fern]

and free aura and a pop

[quick panther]

Twins is so fundamentally broken that sometimes I think bhvr should just retire the character and give fat shard refunds

[fluid fern]

they will bleed out

[gray night]

90 forggen seconds

Ill get a down before that happens

[pearl pecan]

Horrible idea

[clear fog]

After FIVE TO EIGHT TIMES

[fluid fern]

you can pick yourself up 5 times in total at base

I will have no issue counting to five on victor for each of my slugs

[quick panther]

I just realized. Isn't Twins technically a dash killer because of victor's pounce? Why does Pixel like them so much?

[fluid fern]

heal or die

[clear fog]

Unbreakable and plot twist are already ridiculously popular perks, it won't just be 5 times a lot

[obsidian dagger]

plague mains counting their days

[fluid fern]

its a leap, it goes over vaults

[quasi thistle]

Die before 6 hooks at which points everyone gets a big boost
If you try to pick them up they will be saved
if you hook them they will get divine shield and godlike protection if they are on the 2nd hook

Maybe killer should start just repairing generators

[quick panther]

But he goes super fast in a direction

[gray night]

🤦‍♂️

[fluid fern]

victor wins and pallets and windows

[fluid fern]

you can just pick them up

[worn elm]

dude, they run and hit, with some slight movement differences, but most of the other killers are so much more interesting from a gameplay perspective, they arent able to be picked up as easily but when you can learn them they flourish, and now we are gonna have high insentives to only play dash killers

[fluid fern]

leave victor near the slug and watch the UI if they get up

[pearl pecan]

Mfs calling ANYTHING a dash nowadays

[gray night]

☝️

[fluid fern]

thats what I do currently against conviction squads

believe ti or not...there is counterplay to anti slug perks

[gray night]

did they tell you to eat glass like mine did ?

[clear fog]

Ah yes. Which is where DS, tenacity, power struggle flip flop, sabo, pallets, and flashlights come in.

[quick panther]

Almost as if it's not as simple as the people who think "slop" is an argument make it out to be

[fluid fern]

LOL probably

[quasi thistle]

Starting countdown until BHVR decides to remove the HUD indicator for someone being slugged.

[gray night]

farming outrage okay.

Easy bin

[fluid fern]

you cant bully squad twins

[robust pike]

I will say, as a myers main, after playing ptb and going back to the live servers I should say this- he is definitely more interesting in the ptb, but I still dislike the lunge for a few reasons

Namely, and obviously, it feels lazy and recycled, and probably won’t put myers in any unique spots down the line- leaving him to be lumped with other lunge killers like pig or chucky, instead of reviving the character overall

I also think the most they’ll do is addon and power tweaks before the release, like hopefully lowering his power activation stun juuuust a little, but I also hope they make his reversion addon a little less rare than iri, maybe like purple instead so that it’s not basically a one in 10 match kind of playstyle

[worn elm]

also is it just me or is the new killer just a m1 killer with extra steps, i dont get it

[fluid fern]

youre funny for that tho

[obsidian dagger]

this!!!!

[pearl pecan]

Are you saying "Dashslop" is a stupid term?

[worn elm]

literally so uninteresting

[quick panther]

Yes. It's a juvenile thought terminating cliche.

[fluid fern]

Spit -> head form dash -> head form dash

[gray night]

seeing mixed views on him kinda crazy too from big names to normal as well

Like people LOVE the new changes

But some hate it

[quasi thistle]

I think she is supposed to be a sort of hybrid of a dash plague killer

Infect, head dash to hit and down

[quick panther]

Instead of discussing nuance and generally having a productive debate, people just say "slop" and think they won.

[obsidian dagger]

m2 -> m1 -> m1

[pearl pecan]

Yeah I agree with that, shuts down actually talking about the why for anything

[clear fog]

I wasn't talking about just twins, this applies to every killer who even dares to slug for 20-30 seconds because it's the objective best play because of survivors mistakes

[fluid fern]

m2 -> special attack -> special attack

[obsidian dagger]

its bound to m1, i was right, what?

[gray night]

20-30s is also a long friggen time

[fluid fern]

lmk how starstruck on that killer goes smh

[worn elm]

only way to do damage in head is to infect, dash cant be used effectively in chase, head attack is just a lunge thats less controllable and goes a bit further, cool just coup de grace at that point

[fluid fern]

wait till you try out nurse for the first time

[robust pike]

I really really aggressively hated it at first, but honestly? If they tweak the dash into feeling smoother I can live with it, feels really clunky and unsatisfying rn, but I really really love the “swapping between” aspect. As a current main I’ll likely prefer the reversion addon, but if it’s not reduced to a purple rarity I’ll probably just learn his new playstyle and live with it

[quasi thistle]

I do think her spawning the fungus is very interesting and could have fun implication. Like seeing her go past some place, seeing the fungus and knowing she is in chase just from that

[icy summit]

I love how the ptb allows me to play with licensed killers i dont actually own so i dont end up buying a killer i dont like

[fluid fern]

its exceptionally strong, it requires skill to use

[obsidian dagger]

? her head forms attack is literally just m1, thats just the button you press for it 💀

[worn elm]

its a merge of so many killers but boils down to the most meh qualities

[clear fog]

Yes but not completely unreasonable. There are absolutely scenarios where the average killer will need to slug for that long, see DS, power struggle flip flop, sabo, or any number of things

[fluid fern]

you can feel a steep difference between those that know how to use her and those that dont, which is a good thing

[quasi thistle]

She lacks the map control of plague and her head state seem very wonky to hit with. Like this really long windup

[gray night]

if someone has power struggle or flip flop you dont slug them

Dont go for someone you JUST hooked and you dont have to worry about DS

[fluid fern]

its because she's too easy to cleanse

rn shes kind of just a chase killer

[obsidian dagger]

plague mains yet again counting their days

[fluid fern]

plague and krasue are completely different killers

[worn elm]

i did see the slide techs, which is interesting but it seems like just more work for something any other m1 killer can do easier

[clear fog]

And if they play aggressive off-hook because haste allows them to bodyblock?

[quasi thistle]

Yes, but a comparison is very natural since they both want to infect a character into a broken state before actually downing them.

[fluid fern]

you can say the same about any killer. There will be people who get crazy with her and itll be a treat to see

[gray night]

how many what ifs are we just pulling out of thin air to justify anything?

[robust pike]

DS did basically get removed from the meta entirely with this update which is interesting, I still think there’s way too much min-maxing on the survivors side and not nearly as much consideration for certain killers for a singular patch though

[gray night]

What if the killer is nurse? There nothing you have to say works anymore

[fluid fern]

are you talking in live or PTB, nothing is different

[obsidian dagger]

its not even a what-if, survs do that regularly in current ptb

[worn elm]

fair but alot of killers have damage in other ways that doesnt require so much set up time

[fluid fern]

No you should still run DS

Some killers will choose to tunnel and play end game

[robust pike]

Ur so right ill run DS trapper, i think flashbang too frfr

[quasi thistle]

They need a way to justify that set up. It needs to result in more than just an M1.

[gray night]

Whats a DS trapper

[robust pike]

A joke bc I’m a killer main lol

[gray night]

still dont get it

[fluid fern]

DS delays that playstyle and also will save you in scenarios where like...its a god tier blight or nurse and they down and hook somebody and come back for you right after within that 60 seconds

[worn elm]

exactly, it isnt worth it unless you just want something new and just a lil more skill expression

[robust pike]

Snail said I should still run DS, but since I’m a killer I can’t so I joked I’d run DS on trapper

[worn elm]

but she seems weak

[gray night]

ah.

[fluid fern]

DS didnt get removed, its still going to be very strong

[quasi thistle]

at which point you will be promptly mocked by survivors running perks that lets them turn off their brains and with the PTB changes reward bad play

[clear fog]

PTB. Because in live, if they do aggressive off-hook you just slug or tunnel them. In PTB you can do neither, you can't tunnel them or slug them to the same effect as in live because they can pick themselves up

[fluid fern]

you can slug on the PTB

[worn elm]

[gray night]

🤦‍♂️

[fluid fern]

Im like super tempted this weekend to play twins and get a 4 man bleed out and post it here

[gray night]

Can we not just ignore like.... 80% of the "self pickup" part?

[robust pike]

I’m still glad that, as a myers main, if I see a streamer and they’re live I can still run scratched mirror and hope that the midwich offering works so I can scare em

[fluid fern]

just to shut up this narrative

Im wondering when people will stop reposting their favorite DBD streamers opinion here

[robust pike]

Respectfully if you can do that, it’d be one out of a dozen games where it’d work I feel like

[fluid fern]

It really wouldn't take long

[clear fog]

I know. But you then grant them infinite unbreakable. What's the point of running across the map to pick up a survivor and risk getting snowballed when you can leave them there and stick to gen rushing?

[gray night]

The damn killer que on ptb just takes forever

[fluid fern]

they can bleed out and they arent doing gens

its a win win for you

but some people are pretending that because it isnt a raw win condition anymore that its now a loss condition

[quasi thistle]

With this current set up

This can happen

Killer is on 4 hooks, 2 on 2 survivors. We will call them A and B. B is on hook, A goes for the save.
The killer can't do anything about it

If they take the trade A for B. They will be punished by the 25% speed repair boost. If they slug A, they can be picked up by B at no cost since B has divine protection.

If they actually down B, they can't kill them cause they were the last hooked and would both get the boost AND block the gens.

[gray night]

Plus thats another survivor that is not full health
even if they do get up

[clear fog]

But if you do, you aren't either. Its a win for them. It's much more worth it to stick a gen and let them pick themselves up rather than go over there, heal them twice, and risk dying

[fluid fern]

the person on the ground isn't doing gens

[gray night]

Why would you go to a long term slug?

If a team isnt picking their slug up, wtf are you doing on killer then

just standing around?

[clear fog]

Chasing

[fluid fern]

people are acting like chase takes more than 90 seconds

[gray night]

Then wtf do you mean "stick to a gen"

They cant since you are chasing them off

[worn elm]

rest in piece sadako, the devs that made you hate you and will punish you for using an ability that they gave you 🌹

[fluid fern]

if you are still chasing by the time someone picks themselves up, you've fucked up

that is the entire point of slugging, to temporarily build pressure

[clear fog]

Because of flashy, because of flip-flop power struggle, because of sabo, because of DS, because of a pallet, because of a near-complete gen, any number of reasons

[gray night]

☝️

[fluid fern]

not to just "win."

[gray night]

The f are you even saying anymore

[fluid fern]

Slugging for the 4k is stupid. 4 man slug wins are stupid

[obsidian dagger]

Find and hook survivor A
Find and hook survivor C
FInd survivor A again
He is terrible in chase
Hook Survivor A again
He gets unhooked and you patrol gens finding nobody
4 Mins later you find Survivor A again, full hp, fully reset
Chase and kill him

y o u g e t p u n i s h e d f o r t h i s

Like this is just bad design, no way around it

[fluid fern]

its not healthy for the game

[gray night]

You just listed a bunch of perks, and then dont answer what I even asked

[worn elm]

but the pressure doesnt happen anymore, no one needs to rescue them, that means there are still 3 survivors doing obj instead of picking up

[fluid fern]

yes they do

do you know how long 90 seconds is?

[clear fog]

Those are the answers. Are you ragebaiting? All of those perks, items, and scenarios are reasons to slug long-term

[clear fog]

A gen and some change, a hook stage and some change

[fluid fern]

a game can just end in a minte if the survivors all mess up

[worn elm]

90 seconds is a small price to pay for infinite self revives

[gray night]

Really quick okay?

You made up this scenario so its not my what if this is yours.

You slugged someone. For whatever reason.

You leave your slug and go chase survivors.

What in the living crack do you think is happening with generator progression when you are chasing and getting a completely different down, and your slug that you left?

[fluid fern]

you are losing as the survivors if someone is slugged for 90

[worn elm]

it doesnt reset tho, that means 90 seconds total on the ground, not 90 one drop then 90 later 😭

[fluid fern]

you finding nobody is a skill issue. Run tracking perks if you cant find the reset consistently

[worn elm]

i dont like slugging but its still kinda crazy

[vapid oasis]

the new ptb is hella killer sided

[worn elm]

[fluid fern]

stop chasing the same survivor, just injure them and find someone else

[vapid oasis]

what

[obsidian dagger]

this is a scenario that happens to EVERYBODY, what? like 90% of people who have streamed this ptb have ran into some version of that scenario

[gray night]

no its not lmfao

Stop lying

[clear fog]

My scenario (sorry if I explained it poorly) is that

You hook survivor
You chase another survivor
That survivor gets unhooked and does aggressive off-hook
You down them near a flashlight, pallet, they have DS or flip-flop power struggle
You can't hook them. So you chase another survivor. In 90 seconds they are back up, while one-two other people are on gens and the 4th is taking chase

[obsidian dagger]

so actively ignore somebody who is extremely vulnerable because it would be mean? 💀

[fluid fern]

then 90% of the people you made up made mistakes

[obsidian dagger]

google is free!

[fluid fern]

you didnt ignore them, you injured them

do you know how many different tracking perks there are in this game?

[obsidian dagger]

not downing them would be ignoring them?

[gray night]

your statement is contradictory

Survivors are hovering with flashlights

While also on gens?

????

[fluid fern]

if you cant find survivors, that is your problem

you simply need to get better

[paper dock]

In my games, I've had a hard time not finding people thanks to the built in bbq. What you've laid out is a possibility, but I don't think you'd find it to be the norm.

[fluid fern]

like this isnt a 'get good'

that is literally core to playing the role. You have to find them and make predicitions

[clear fog]

There are 4 survivors. One is down, one is chasing, that leaves two free, no? One on gens one for a flashlight/pallet, if not then that's two on gens

[fluid fern]

or run perks that help you track them

[gray night]

Okay so you said you took chase with someone else though

So theres one person hovering with a flashlight (you say)
One person you're in chase with
One person is slugged for 90s

And the other I guess is on a gen (you say)

You have a single person progressing the main objective

[fluid fern]

Whispers is a free perk on every killer and it is goated

if you havent played with whispers yet you havent played killer long enough

[obsidian dagger]

the basekit bbq is patchy, often showing 1 or 2 people and sometimes none at all, and even then thats not really much to go off of if they're on the other side of the map!!

[fierce creek]

its not patchy at all. You just dont know how it works clearly

[clear fog]

Which they absolutely can blow through with a toolbox, repair perks, BNP

[fluid fern]

survivors know how to hide from BBQ

they can sit behind gen auras or hop in lockers

[gray night]

I feel like you just keep comming up with too much what ifs to have any actual meaningful conversation

[obsidian dagger]

by saying it often doesnt show many people, i dont know how it works?

[fluid fern]

welcome to DBD, BBQ is one of the oldest perks int he game

[paper dock]

I don't want to be mean, but yeah, the way it works is pretty clearly laid out and intentionally doesn't always show everybody. My subjective experience has proven to me that it is enough though

[gray night]

Crimson, what if I am a nurse. There I win the argument

[fluid fern]

then run a different tracking perk

[clear fog]

Because these what ifs are very fucking reasonable. "What if a survivor brings the most popular item in the game?"

[fluid fern]

thwack, ultimate weapon, whispers, darkness revealed, etc

[paper dock]

No no, I'm saying the built in bbq has proven to be enough tracking for me in my games, leaving me with more perk slots

[fluid fern]

nowhere to hide is also great with new basekit pop

[gray night]

Its not you just keep comming up with the worst situations to justify anything

So lets use your same reasoning

What if nurse, there I win bye bye

[fierce creek]

You called it patchy, when it's not, it just does what it does

[fluid fern]

oh yeah its dope

basekit tracking and basekit pop is insane for killer

[paper dock]

Agreed, running lethal pursuer on its own is also even more viable than before now too

[fluid fern]

based

Games should get to endgame. that is healthy for the game.

[obsidian dagger]

what it does is... patchy? it has conditions that highlight usually 1-2 people, thats just patchy, im using a different word to describe something that it does

[fluid fern]

and the games that dont should be becuase the killer was absolutely lethal

not because he opened a bag of doritoes while watching the hook timer

[obsidian dagger]

like im not saying that its not enough, it makes finding people after a hook a decent bit easier and is good for killers, but its not as good as old bbq, and since its basekit, is easier to predict and counter on the survivors side

[fluid fern]

you should always predict BBQ as survivor

thats how you play the role. You try to deduce the killer's perks and predict their build based on what they do

[paper dock]

Yeah I think it was just another semantics issue, we took what you were saying differently from how you meant it haha. I get what you mean, it isn't all encompassing aura reading and sometimes it won't be enough, depending on the killer. Those killers can definitely just supplement with another tracking perk or two though, again, killer dependant. || I know this chat is spicy, I don't want you to feel like I'm attacking you or anything so sorry if it's ever felt that way ||

[fierce creek]

good survivors do, or you test it on the 1st hook and play around after, I guess killers just dont like that

[clear fog]

These aren't worst case scenarios. This is how a match works. Even IF that hypothetical survivor didn't bring a flashlight, that leaves DS, flip-flop power struggle, pallets, and a hook deadzone from Sabo. My point is that these "scenarios" are easy to set up, plenty in number, and borderline unwinnable for most killers. The fact that this scenario and its 20 variants CAN happen with little to no counterplay is a problem in of itself

[fluid fern]

there's even perks like object or hardened that tell you what perks they have

[obsidian dagger]

my point is that even people that dont follow that rule will just... do that now, survivor mistakes are going to be less common because of this

[fluid fern]

survivors that dont play around the killer's perks are not worth talking about

[gray night]

Crimson there are only SO many things that can go wrong in your story. To where it just becomes unreasonable and unbelievable

You are basically coming up with a story where the kid lost their parents, whilst a bum sawed off your left foot, whilst a car then hit them while they were crippled, whilst the kids body rolled onto a dirty nail, whilst 911 was overwhelmed that day ....

You cant just what if yourself into everything and have anything be taken seriously

[fluid fern]

if they dont know what the perks are, they dont know how to play

[gray night]

What if nurse crimson. There you lose

[obsidian dagger]

no worries! i didnt feel targeted or anything lmao, i play killers that rely HEAVILY on survivor mistakes (plague and the like), so this change reduces those, and thus i feel warrants complaint

[fluid fern]

and you as the killer shouldnt be rewarded for abusing those types of survivors and making the entire game miserable

[pulsar linden]

Okay so cool, one killer doesnt get gutted, what about all the others?

[paper dock]

On the note of survivors playing around bbq, I do want to point out that it takes time to do that. All 3 other survivors jumping into a locker for 5 seconds minimum each hook is relevant slowdown that adds up.

[gray night]

one killer doesnt get gutted in the stupidest scenario ever created

[clear fog]

Every match of dbd is a what if. These are scenarios for a possible match that are pretty common. Pallets saves are common. Flashlights are common. Sabo squads, while rare, are seen enough to be considered.

[fluid fern]

like...I aim for 30-40k Bloodpoints per game

[obsidian dagger]

there are killers that are designed to capitalize on even one survivors mistake and turn that into a teamwipe, thats literally BHVRS intention

[gray night]

no its not

[fluid fern]

you get barely half of that if you play like a shithead and dont let the survivors interact

[clear fog]

Where did I say anything about nurse? I think she needs a total rework. I'm not a blind dumbass I know killer has flaws

[gray night]

Its what is and what happened.

What if is WHAT IF

Am I talking to a bot?

[fluid fern]

you need to list a specific kille rto talk about

[pulsar linden]

there are thousands of unwinnable scenarios, especially in a 4 on 1, talk to any killer main and they will tell you. The amount of times i found myself in an unwinnable scenario where i have to use tunneling or slugging is crazy, and now all those become truly unwinnable with this change.

[obsidian dagger]

hdidng behind gen auras is easyily doable :C

[obsidian dagger]

plague, singularity to an extent, sadako, like...?

[stray rivet]

You know, i am heavily debating downloading the PTB not to test the new changes but test the killers i do not have rn to see what i might want to buy later , doesn't it give you like 10k auric cells

[paper dock]

That do be a thing, it's not perfect, but it do be a thing, for sure

[gray night]

Killer main is right here baby, along with snail and we dont have this sentiment

[obsidian dagger]

its also SUPER tasty for fashion

[paper dock]

It does, and based

[stray rivet]

because, I am pretty new to the game currently so i am missing a lot of killers still (only like 90 hours) so it would be a funny way to use the PTB

[fluid fern]

based

its honestly so cool that we can do that now tbh. I alr have all the characters tho

[paper dock]

Honestly I did something similar, bought the Nemmy OG skin because I'll never buy it on live 😅

[abstract carbon]

You’re still here chillin snail nice 👍 how are people feeling

[fluid fern]

people are feeling the same

[clear fog]

You can't dismiss any scenario because it's a what if if the what if HAPPENS. Flashlight saves, flip-flop power struggle, DS, These are exceedingly common. What I said is a what if they were applied to the PTB with the slugging changes in it

[gray night]

Actually I can dismiss scenarios that have no weight just fine

Especially when they just keep adding up in your arguments favor for the sake of argument

[fluid fern]

doom posting about killer

[abstract carbon]

I swear it’s just mostly killer mains coming here to complain

[fluid fern]

yerrr

[stray rivet]

I honestly haven't seen a single person change their mind on the PTB due to discussions here, it's just people claiming rage baiting on either side

[fluid fern]

welcome to DBD

[abstract carbon]

I have more hours on killer than I do survivor and I think these changes are very healthy for dbd

[fluid fern]

but we still must fight the good fight

[fluid fern]

me too

[stray rivet]

only 1k hours

[fluid fern]

whats crazy to me is that their tracking says I have less than half the hours in game than my steam profile says

[dense cedar]

thousands is wild, but while im not against the skill issue sentiment i dont wholly disagree that slugging or tunneling has been needed in a few cases to break a solid hold/set up but even then i didnt see that big of a issue in the ptb with it, i just ran a extra exposed perk and popped nwo w/ remember me in the event something like that happened and i couldnt use gen pressure in the mid game

[abstract carbon]

Nice stats though

[paper dock]

I feel like it's a lot of reactionary doom posting too, so many people don't seem to know the details of the changes, how the penalties are really incurred, how they feel in game, etc. People really need to get out and play the PTB a bunch before getting all heated in a discussion like this 😅

[gray night]

I just never leaned heavily on those plystyles to worry about any changes to it

It felt scummy and low effort high reward.

Was no challenge in it

[vagrant hull]

so the bugged endgame screen is a springtrap bug

[fluid fern]

it just means que times are that ASS lol

[vagrant hull]

how the fuck did they break so many aspects of him despite changing nothing

[worn elm]

holy christ man, i only got like maybe 600-700 hours, wtf

[stray rivet]

honestly it's a little crazy this game has no "test out a killer" thing when basically majority of the cast is paid, worst case allow people to test them out in a bot match so people know what they are buying

[vagrant hull]

I have 80

[fluid fern]

some people have 14k hours man, Im not even that high

[worn elm]

80 hours? wlcome

[gray night]

I got matched for some reason against a 9k hour blight main

[paper dock]

Also very real, there aren't many cases of people willing to really hear out the other side I think, but that's just people tbh

[abstract carbon]

And I gotta say even though I don’t really need the survivors hook states shown to me as killer it is still a nice QOL change for the killer role

[fluid fern]

at least it was quick

[paper dock]

Agreed

[vagrant hull]

Its horrifying to think the hours you currently have are low

[gray night]

it was so lame lol

I mean they didnt tunnel or camp though

Then again its fkin blight

[fluid fern]

its a 10 year old game man

[worn elm]

lowkey, am i fucked up for kicking my feet like a school girl whenever i get a trap kill as pig?

[fluid fern]

yeah they just simply never stop chasing and none of the gens get done, which is like the entire sentiment here

[vagrant hull]

dopamine

[gray night]

hook bbq repeat

[paper dock]

Nah bro that shit is peak lol

[fluid fern]

if you havent gone against the no regression, no tunnel team wipe Blight you havent played long enough

[worn elm]

just had a sable fall for the classic blunder and i was giggling like my crush was making a bad joke

[dense cedar]

same i like to roam since i tend to lean to freddy and ghostie but i also get toxic with bully comps. besides that ive done it on large maps like forest if i cant gamble on hatch or if another survivor is RIGHT there, thats just kinda a gimme imo

[vagrant hull]

There has never been a better way to put that

[fluid fern]

same with Nurse...you literally cant even be mad at it...they're just simply too good at the game and you just have to go next

[gray night]

Yea fair. And on the PTB I have done it too, despite people saying you cant you can actually tunnel just fine and still win the match easily

[paper dock]

Sadly true, eet ees what eet ees

[abstract carbon]

And Myers is more fun to play now IMO too, he’s definitely stronger in chase and loops now no doubt

[worn elm]

i made a survivor i was carrying look at it like a dog when it brings something to its owner

[fluid fern]

end game builds are going to reawaken

[paper dock]

I think I agree overall, but I also think he's less unique and maybe a bit more boring. I need to see more though

[fluid fern]

itll be exciting to see more variety

[gray night]

for sure.

I remember first starting killer and LOVING no way out

Like my build always had that perk in it

[paper dock]

No Way Out + Remember Me 🔥

(Wait I don't always run em lol)

[fluid fern]

Gen 6 and gen 7 unlocked

[abstract carbon]

His tombstone really made him stand out but tbh I’m glad it’s gone and he got a TLC update

[gray night]

remember me in its state now is just so crazy lol

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/we-cant-open-it-claire-crosby-claire-and-the-crosbys-no-shake-head-gif-18352888

[dense cedar]

yeah you just lose bp really and cant get any gen related stuff done. i tried managing the 6 hook and i kept capping out around 4 and it was either the same survivor a or b showing up so i just got used to focusing half the build into endgame holds

[paper dock]

Yeah tombstone being gone is a change I think most people are down with

[gray night]

the moris being gone thank christ

I dont have to just be like "my soloQ temmates all fed stalk let me give a free grab now"

[stray rivet]

oh, the changes are not coming.

[dense cedar]

insta mori is gone but its functionally just a ebony mori offering built in now

[paper dock]

Eh?

[stray rivet]

new tweet

[paper dock]

Oh...

[dense cedar]

sauce?

[worn elm]

can we also talk about 25% more pallets on maps, holy shit what are some killers supposed to do at a point, you cant focus weaker survivors, theres more safe spots then ever, and if you dont play by Da Rules you cant do your objective well and forced to watch people go out the door tbagging all the way

[fluid fern]

send

[stray rivet]

i can't send links

[raven flume]

changes cancelled, thank fuck

[stray rivet]

it's on their twitter though, 7 mins ago

[raven flume]

Don't lie. Don't mess it up for us when the update goes live just because you all want to kiss up and kiss dirty asses that's hairy and uncleaned. Be considerate and think about us too. They aren't going to give any of you a medal for that

daily notice

[stray rivet]

Before we break for the weekend, we wanted to update folks on the ongoing PTB discussions which we have been following very closely since last week’s Dev Update.

We have heard you clearly that the current implementation of the Tunneling Reduction and Slugging Reduction Systems players have been testing this week feels too punishing for Killers.

For the release of Sinister Grace, we will hold back those features (and their associated perk changes) to iterate on some adjustments based on your feedback. We will test these features again in an upcoming PTB and will release them live when we believe they are ready.

Thank you for your participation in our crucial testing process, and stay tuned for future updates as they progress.

[abstract carbon]

There’s definitely more pallets but only on the specific maps they specified where there was dead zones

[dense cedar]

its not bad bad, you can run a pallet perk like how lightborn used to be mandatory if you cant work around it, but its kinda a double edge sword alot of those pallets are not safe and half the added loops arent either so it can be free gimmes

[gray night]

welp back to POE then

[worn elm]

news paper "Hitler dead"

[raven flume]

it was obviously never making it to live.

[native aspen]

https://fxtwitter.com/DeadbyDaylight/status/1964079594601877907

Dead by Daylight (@DeadbyDaylight)

Before we break for the weekend, we wanted to update folks on the ongoing PTB discussions which we have been following very closely since last week’s Dev Update.
︀︀
︀︀We have heard you clearly that the current implementation of the Tunneling Reduction and Slugging Reduction Systems players have been testing this week feels too punishing for Killers.
︀︀
︀︀For the release of Sinister Grace, we will hold back those features (and their associated perk changes) to iterate on some adjustments based on your feedback. We will test these features again in an upcoming PTB and will release them live when we believe they are ready.
︀︀
︀︀Thank you for your participation in our crucial testing process, and stay tuned for future updates as they progress.

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[dense cedar]

my hero

[stray rivet]

I hold the opinion that regardless of the changes themselves, dumping it all in one update was a bad idea, stuff like this should be tested in parts to see if it's enough/too little/too much, it's kind of crazy that they thought releasing all these big sweeping changes along with a new killer and a full rework in ONE update would give them useful feedback

[fluid fern]

ty!

[quasi thistle]

Ding dong the witch is dead!

[paper dock]

Okay, so the changes as a concept aren't dead, but they want to give them more time to cook. Im fine with that I guess, if they make it better for killer, as a killer main? I'm down

[fluid fern]

Its definitely coming, its just a matter of when

[gray night]

yup

[worn elm]

[fluid fern]

basekit UB has been cooking for years

[paper dock]

Yeah, that's fine by me for sure

Also, all the "Behavior doesn't listen to feedback" doom posters are in shambles rn

[fluid fern]

now I kinda want to play survivor on the PTB just to experience peak DBD until they take it away 🥺

[gray night]

They are the same people who are linking this post

[paper dock]

Lmaooo

[dense cedar]

its a hard sell tbf, and going from a one and done with no downsides to infinite with no downsides is also a hard sell and undermines bill

[raven flume]

numbers are easy to change. postponing makes sense if youre changing it fundamentally.

the system doesnt work fundamentally, its not making it to live

[lofty glen]

there you have it 👍

[worn elm]

im cracking a cold one to this, thank god this needs a few months to be reworked

[fluid fern]

Im cool with them waiting

[native aspen]

almost like they stressed that this PTB was a test

[raven flume]

it was just a matter of time

[fluid fern]

but people who are doomposting are going to need to wake up

[arctic light]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO

[fluid fern]

the game is going to be changed dramatically...and soon

[paper dock]

People would have to be able to read to understand that /s

[worn elm]

[primal whale]

that’s exactly how i felt about it. dropping two MAJOR things in one update is insane?? doing it one at a time would make it less in your face and then you have the time to rework both things.

[dense cedar]

like leon? lol

[gray night]

as long as the unhook protections and the unique hook interactions happen I think ill stick around.

[arctic light]

Agreed

[fickle crane]

Wow the PTB where things are tested isn't the final version being added to the game wow I can't believe it I genuinely can't believe it wow this is astounding what the hell how did this even happen

[gray night]

I am not going back to playing unhook notification tunel simulator though

[worn elm]

i think a tunnel and slug change are necessary but man this was not it

[fluid fern]

unfortunately it remains

[lofty glen]

me neither bro 🙏

[native aspen]

i think it has a lot of good at its core, it just needs ironing out on the abuse cases

[paper dock]

I think one without the other would have been unbalanced tbh

[fluid fern]

agree

[worn elm]

real

[quasi thistle]

feel to punishing

Love the tiny gaslight.

The objectively punish even non tunneling players

[stray rivet]

wait wait

[paper dock]

Yep yep, absolutely.

[dense cedar]

so when is the chapter supposed to actually drop again?

[stray rivet]

DEERSTALKER

CAN WE KEEP THAT ONE 😭

[fluid fern]

hopefully theyll clarify if the perk changes are coming

5% eruption is stinky

[stray rivet]

︀︀For the release of Sinister Grace, we will hold back those features (and their associated perk changes)

[fluid fern]

ty

[unreal plank]

can i play ptp in epicgames dbd??

[gray night]

no idea why they did that lol

[fickle crane]

It's not gaslighting to say it feels punishing. "Feels punishing" doesn't mean "You think it's punishing but it isn't"

[native aspen]

reading the post explains the post

[stray rivet]

Deerstalker is def gone because they counted it part of slugging changes

[fluid fern]

[fickle crane]

Me desperately explaining the patch notes to people who didn't read them

[unreal plank]

can i play ptp in epicgames dbd?

[stray rivet]

So, now the most controversial part of the update is rested for now.

can we bully them into buffing the new perks a little

[fluid fern]

I personally think its crazy that we even had any slug perks at all during this ptb

plot twist, mither, ub, conviction not seeing any rework is kinda nutty

anywho it doesnt matter now lol. gg

[paper dock]

Do you think they should function differently on a fundamental level, be nerfed, be buffed, or what? 👀

[undone otter]

whats the movement speed of the new killer

[paper dock]

115 base, 120 in head (or so I've heard)

[fluid fern]

if survivors can pick themselves up as part of basekit, there really isnt a need for antislug perks

but there's always memes

[fickle crane]

Okay well in light of this news I know it's not relevant but I'm drafting my proposed changes to the tunneling and slugging changes. Let me know if these changes feel right at all

- Tunneling penalties should not apply when there are two or fewer generators left to be completed
- If a killer does trigger either tunneling penalty, they no longer receive unique hook benefits
- The aura reveal on unique hooks apply to all survivors, regardless of hook stages
_ _ - Strong killers (Nurse, Blight, Billy, Ghoul, Dracula, and... Krasue?) still only see the auras of survivors with equal or fewer hook states
- Give back the ability to see hook notifications
_ _ - The aforementioned strong killers still have the unhook delay, but it is reduced to 5 seconds
- Remove the ability for survivors to crawl and recover at the same time
- Reduce the movement speed bonus for crawling survivors
- The resolve meter's increase is reduced further if there are nearby survivors
- A downed survivor's aura cannot be blocked or hidden by any means.

- Slightly reduce the time for the Krasue's transformation into human form and the movement speed penalty

[worn elm]

🎶 Stand up now and face the sun
Won't hide my tail or turn and run
It's time to do what must be done
Be a king when kingdom comes
Well you can tell everybody
Yeah you can tell everybody
Go ahead and tell everybody
I'm the man, I'm the man, I'm the man🎵

[primal whale]

but they’re just both so bad for killers that it makes it even worse

[paper dock]

How long does it take to pick yourself up with unbreakable alone? Obviously way faster than 90 seconds, and I doubt most killers would leave survivors slugged for that long, so UB would still have a purpose, not to mention the static +35% recovery speed

[paper dock]

That dead horse has been beaten for the entirety of the past 2 days, suffice to say I don't agree lol

But yeah, point is @fluid fern , I do still see value in having anti slug perks, though their importance is quite diminished. Is buffing them the answer though, just reworking some of them? Idk

[weary jackal]

Game is not dead lfg

[slim sleet]

Thank you dbd

[worn elm]

[primal whale]

i mean, that’s fair enough. i like the idea of not being slugged and tunneled so much… but i don’t like that it’s at such a major expense of the killers. i’m glad they’re reworking it before releasing and that they’re listening to the feedback.

[paper dock]

Agreed, just because I don't agree with the community sentiment at large doesn't invalidate the fact that the community at large doesn't like the changes, and I'm glad that BHVR is listening to the feedback, especially when so many people were saying they wouldn't. They need a W like that after all the controversy they've been through lately

[weary jackal]

I'd assume the Myers changes are still coming with the new killer right

[paper dock]

Unless they say otherwise, I'd assume so (barring some tweaks ofc)

[weary jackal]

Sick I am really looking forward to that

[frigid briar]

They actually listened?? That shit is not coming out of PTB in its current iteration?

[pearl pecan]

Twins will be playable for longer, I am so happy

[paper dock]

Correct, they didn't mention Myers or Krasue though, so those will probably be coming out barring some tweaks

[frigid briar]

They'll definitely be tweaking Krasue, she's super weird rn

[paper dock]

I'm sure they will, even if she didn't feel weird to some, they're certainly getting some relevant data and feedback from the PTB

[stray rivet]

so this is my first time going through a PTB, what are the changes the perks get buffed as most of them seem pretty underwhelming, or should i keep my expectiations low?

[spice tulip]

so ar they holding off on the PTB or ?

[frigid briar]

Like, yea sure go fast in head mode and bodyblock stuff (ghoul momento) but the lunge is physically painful to use most of the time man

[stray rivet]

at the very least the PTB will be less chaotic now so the stuff like Myers rework, Krause and the new perks can be talked about more

[rose lotus]

yeah fr fr

[stray rivet]

Also Krause won't be overshadowed by the controversial changes

[rose lotus]

finally brah i wanna talk abt cool new killer and reworks n shit not controservial gamewide changes that change the entire gameplay flow lol

[ruby magnet]

I am gonna fucking hate playing billy since I can't slug anymore

[idle elm]

god is good, tunnel / slug update's not coming

[ruby magnet]

? are they cancelling it?

[rose lotus]

yes

[idle elm]

they cut that part out saying that they'll have to test it more and do another ptb later on for it

[stray rivet]

It's being postponed

[rose lotus]

yeah but essentially it coming in the state its in in the current ptb is cancelled

[ruby magnet]

W ig are they keeping any of it

[rose lotus]

theyre changing it to make it more fair to killers so im sure there will still be some sort of insentive to not slug and tunnel just far less ridiculous and punishing

[stray rivet]

It was genunine insanity to try to cram like

a killer rework
an entire new killer
a new survivor
bunch of perk reworks
huge sweeping changes to multiple game mechanics
in one PTB and expecting clean feedback

[rose lotus]

yeaahhhh

[ruby magnet]

yeah I feel like if they just implemented one of them the feedback might have actually been positive

[rose lotus]

feels like the devs are aliens trying to understand how humans react to things /silly

[ruby magnet]

I am still gonna riot if they ever fucking make bbq this bullshit

[pearl pecan]

New worst perk?

[stray rivet]

bubba perks taken out back and shot 5 times

[cinder magnet]

game is cooked

[pearl pecan]

I hope the myres rework still comes

[ruby magnet]

got the old yeller treatment

[rose lotus]

not anymore

[stray rivet]

now the "changes are coming" complainers are gone, are we finally going to get to the "the changes aren't coming" complainers appearing?

[grave pier]

The holy trinity of nerfs

[stray rivet]

none of us is getting out of the circle of samsara at this rate ❗

[surreal holly]

@fluid fern IT GOT CANCELED GYAHAHAHAHAHA

[ruby magnet]

I honestly don't really care myers for me even as kinda a myers main is fine both ways

[drifting elm]

this 😭

[rose lotus]

bully squads are about to cry so hard

[rose lotus]

im sure this will change since it was a result of the shit tunneling and slugging stuff

[fluid fern]

pushed back to the next PTB what are you on about

[ruby magnet]

bro I actually crashed out yesterday from the most torturous game I have ever fucking had they fucking bled out with how many times they went down

[stray rivet]

I was pretty meh on everything going on but i genuinely still haven't gotten a satisfying answer on how sabo squads were going to get countered after the update

[fickle crane]

I mean they were going to make BBQ basekit so they needed it to do something

[true apex]

there was no way to parse the feedback coherently, things get lost in the mix

[surreal holly]

naa na na boo boo fuck you

[fluid fern]

Imma save this and post it here when the system goes live in a few months

[stray rivet]

most coherent dbd player to dbd player communuciation:

[drifting elm]

😂

[surreal holly]

hey now that's not nice

[true apex]

I kinda like the new killer but it's a mess to try her out while juggling the horrendous tunneling stuff and the gen regression nerfs.

[drifting elm]

christ XD

[ruby magnet]

bro make it show all players regardless of how far they are woulda worked

[fluid fern]

right there in my favorite spot on my desktop

[stray rivet]

can we please keep the deerstalker changes despite the slugging rework being pushed back, that was an actually funny change

[pearl pecan]

💀

[surreal holly]

ur desktop is boring be better

[ruby magnet]

not fucking 5% for gen kicks when realistically they are only gonna need 2 more gens by the time you get that shit up

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/forehead-kiss-gif-24780983

[true apex]

the version they gave as basekit is horrible as well

[ruby magnet]

I am not gonna lie I got an aura reading every like 4 hooks

[surreal holly]

doing this to a woman :/ we get it ur misogynistic

[stray rivet]

#cancelSnail

[vagrant hull]

dude.

[surreal holly]

#snail more like poop

[surreal holly]

hai

[stray rivet]

smh can't even do hasthags right, you need it to be one word smelly

[cosmic prairie]

Going to leave my feedback for PTB here because I felt like it
I really like the direction of the changes but they do need to really reduce what triggers these punishments
things like sadakos mori should not be included in it bc it’s not the killers fault for using their power as intended
i like the hook being obscured from the killer and u being able to see hook stages That is very helpful actually bc it means as killer ik Im not actually tunnelling on accident
i like passive recovery on the ground
otz had a very good suggestion of burden so if you get tunnelled you can still play the game unlike now where if you get tunelled the killer just gets punished and u are still dead

[surreal holly]

i have to kms now

[stray rivet]

HONOR YOUR BLOODLINE

[pearl pecan]

rhage bhait

[ruby magnet]

I once got called misogynistic because I held the door open for a woman

[surreal holly]

no no its not shhhh

[surreal holly]

that is such a bs reddit story no way ur fr😭

[ruby magnet]

I remember that shit cause it still shocks me

[surreal holly]

i play dbd they have been dishonored for a while

[stray rivet]

I once got called misogynistic because i hated women, what has the world come to smhsmh

[surreal holly]

if i was her instead of calling u misogynistic i would call snail misogynistic

because he is

[stray rivet]

clearly

[ruby magnet]

you insult the snail till one day you accept that offer to become immortal

[surreal holly]

thats just plain silly

[stray rivet]

Now that anti-tunnel and anti-slugging fights are gone, can we talk about the realy needed changes?

we need to nerf hag

[surreal holly]

if the snail is anp100 deathslinger i dont need to worry

[ruby magnet]

naw pig first

[surreal holly]

gonna take 20 years to move a inch

[knotty mortar]

FR

[vagrant hull]

we need to give springtrap better perks

[surreal holly]

nerf this nerd that, how about we buff ghoul

[ruby magnet]

deathslinger is my most hated killer to play against rn just cause his animations are never fucking there

[knotty mortar]

Myers’s dash is literally pigs but infinitely better

[vagrant hull]

1 of the 3 is decent and they're all useless to him

[ancient viper]

Me smiling knowing snail is upset cause dbd won’t be holding their hand now ❤️

[stray rivet]

Bait used to be belivabl-

HOLY SHIT IS THAT Ken Kaneki FROM Tokyo Ghoul.

[pearl pecan]

its shorter by quite a bit

[surreal holly]

No wayyy

[surreal holly]

its likes 3/4 of the range with shorter the wind up and no sound que

pig found dead in a ditch

[knotty mortar]

It’s an insta down and can break pallets

[pearl pecan]

its a lot slower and goes less distance

[surreal holly]

insta down and breaks pallets tho

nghhhhhh~

[ruby magnet]

flashlight after flashlight after pallet after flashlight after pallet I CANT FUCKING TAKE THIS ANYMORE

[stray rivet]

Anyways now the PTB is boring again I am just going to grind 2v8 to P1 my new nemesis

[pearl pecan]

pig can kick pallets

[surreal holly]

yeah but

hm... ur right...

[knotty mortar]

Yeah can’t argue with that

[surreal holly]

thats kinda busted nerf pig

take away her legs and arms

[ruby magnet]

now that I know the update isn't releasing atleast not next practicing for it is just useless

[pearl pecan]

Pig should have reduced vision cause of the mask

[ruby magnet]

she should have a loud honking sound whenever she looks at a survivor in stealth mode

[knotty mortar]

Just make her an actual pig that follows survivors around and watches them finish gens

[ancient viper]

More like head, majority of the players don’t use that anyway

[raven flume]

We won.

[surreal holly]

pig should also have her aura revealed when shes 20 meters away because her mask is a pig and that probably smells super bad

[ruby magnet]

she should be the only killer affected by the 6 hook mori thing except instead of 6 its 8

[ancient viper]

Make it a Minecraft pig and you got yourself a deal

[knotty mortar]

She gets an ability after 5 gens pop and she becomes a zombie pigman

[ancient viper]

We won for now, just gotta make sure to do this next PTB so they understand we don’t want survivors cake walking trials

[ruby magnet]

exit gates auto open if she gets more than 1 hook

[ancient viper]

Yesss

[raven flume]

Well if we can do this we can do that one too

[surreal holly]

ok lets talk about ghoul buffs, first i think his first leap should he able to insta down u

[pearl pecan]

Any system forcing the killer to ignore someone or face a penalty is a bad system

[ruby magnet]

everyone gains endurance for 5 minutes if she gets more than 2 hooks after gens pop and everyone on hooks gets auto unhooked

[knotty mortar]

Having to watch someone get unhooked and jump on a gen in front of you and having to ignore them is insane

[ruby magnet]

I think he should make no noise and have perm undetectable

[surreal holly]

snail crying because um... uhh checks notes because hes dumb Gyahahahah

[ruby magnet]

also we should get rid of him fucking screaming in lobby

[surreal holly]

no i like his screams :(

[pearl pecan]

yyeyyeyesaahhhhhhhhh

[potent spruce]

why does everyone insta disconnect when I play a killer other than krasue

[surreal holly]

every other killer is so peak they get excited and turn off the game

[ruby magnet]

wants to play against her

[ancient viper]

Both ways are a death sentence

[ruby magnet]

guys I am going back

[cinder magnet]

are they undoing all the ptb crap?

[ruby magnet]

no more torture

[knotty mortar]

Is the new killer any good tho? Like C/B tier at best?

[fickle crane]

Honestly I think with a few small buffs she could be A

[surreal holly]

yes

[rose lotus]

yes (genuinely)

[cinder magnet]

d ubs

[surreal holly]

we can tunnel FOREVER NOW YAYAYAYAYAYA

[ruby magnet]

they need to make her leech meter harder to counter or she can trigger t2 after like 2 direct hits with her blob thing

[surreal holly]

#tunnlernation

[ruby magnet]

me every time I see a fucking stevegul

[knotty mortar]

I feel like they should sort out blight/nurse from being so strong before nerfing things first :/

Didn’t mean to send that as a reply

[surreal holly]

i tunnel for the love of it idc who u are or what u did ur getting out at 5 gens 👅

[ruby magnet]

pissing me off everytime I hear their stupid fucking screams they haunt me in my sleep

[fickle crane]

The tier 2 thing would be way too strong I think. I just think they need to reduce the time it takes to go from head to human and make it so she can ignore Any Means Necessary

[pearl pecan]

That would need a nurse rework

[surreal holly]

i like rebeccas

[pearl pecan]

meg better

[ruby magnet]

I played 1 game with her if I am being honest I fucking hate playing her like might honestly rather play hag

[fickle crane]

I really like her. I think she won’t be for everyone but she felt pretty strong

[knotty mortar]

I don’t even know what they could do for a nurse rework, it feels like she’s been in the game so long at the same level nothing would work, but I’d love to see her get a reword in a PTB or something

[ruby magnet]

I hate the 3rd person

[steady yew]

She feels so bad to me

[pearl pecan]

I feel like it was only made to showoff the gore

[knotty mortar]

Maybe they could start with reworking trapper or just buffing him, I love him but he feels so weak against teams with more than 200hrs each

[steady yew]

Skill based, and gutting the skill guts the killer

[ruby magnet]

I love the gore but playing third person on killer feels terrible

[pearl pecan]

I dont know what would work other than scrapping the entire power and her getting a new one

[ancient viper]

So what I’m hearing is… you hate me

I ain’t even trying to be toxic I just like to yell 🥲

[fickle crane]

I’m kind of the opposite. I love playing her in third person

[ruby magnet]

yes

kill the steveguls

[ancient viper]

I’m hope your microwave stops working mid cooking food

[thorn shadow]

nice love that bhvr bend the knee to the low skill killers and their tunneling meta

[ruby magnet]

I hope you dc everytime you scream

[ancient viper]

I hope you stub your toe every morning when you wake up

[ruby magnet]

I already fucking do

[knotty mortar]

I’m just interested in what the devs could come up with

[ancient viper]

I hope you run out of food for the day

[ruby magnet]

I woke up hit my wardrobe and broke my entire toe nail yesterday

[ruby magnet]

I already ate

[stray rivet]

what if, hear me out here

You hold right click and you dash lunge [send yourself flying] in the direction you hold, and then deal damage if you collide witha survivor.

[ruby magnet]

hear me out 1 taps if she looks at you

[stray rivet]

that's just nurse

[ruby magnet]

real

[stray rivet]

[laugh track]

[ruby magnet]

can you earn achievements in ptb cause it says I got one 2 days ago but I haven't played normal since the release of ptb?

[knotty mortar]

Trapper buff ideas?

[stray rivet]

When a survivor steps into a trap, the trapper gets a stack of "Hunter"
Trapper now can hold Right click, when he has a stack of "Hunter" and a trap.
When you let go of Right Click, Trapper dashes lunges moves forward and hits the survivor with a trap, dealing damage.

[ruby magnet]

base kit reset iri addon and that

[vagrant hull]

haha yeah the joke is more dashslop

[stray rivet]

what if he can teleport to his traps

[round abyss]

they’re reverting the tunnel & slug for now thank god

[ancient viper]

Yess

[stray rivet]

I don't have any better material dude they cut the bit budget

[vagrant hull]

wdym where did you hear this

[round abyss]

wait hold up ill send

[knotty mortar]

What if we stopped giving dash abilities tho

[stray rivet]

pins

[ruby magnet]

unpopular opinion but trapper is still kinda good

[past drift]

what about the incentives like pop being basekit and bbq

[vagrant hull]

Oh they're dragging it back for now

[round abyss]

no clue about that sadly, assuming no incentives

[stray rivet]

Trapper by design is kind of simple, he is the noob killer he is designed to be played by and againts newer players

[severe shell]

Wow BHVR actually realised this shit is ass and cancelled the update lmao

[vagrant hull]

not the entire update, just the tunneling and slugging reduction for now

[knotty mortar]

He’s good if, and excuse my language, the survivors your playing against are stupid

[severe shell]

RIP Myers

[ruby magnet]

I mean with the amount of fucking complaining they would have to be hellen keller to not realise

[surreal holly]

hes lowkey kinda fun im ngl

[ruby magnet]

I am the survivor I don't play him much

but its kinda a 50/50 cause if I don't go to his trapped loops he has no way to win

[severe shell]

I'm just glad the ptb is being used to serve its actual fucking purpose for once

[round abyss]

(i know you probably already saw it just sending for anyone else ^-^)

[knotty mortar]

Literally, but spending the first 30-60 seconds laying traps is so rough, cause in that time 2-3 gens have popped

[vagrant hull]

Did they revert it in the PTB?

[pearl pecan]

Trapper should start with all his traps

[ruby magnet]

thats actually something I have been annoyed about cause the point of a ptb is to test

[pearl pecan]

like why should he have to walk across the entire map just to use his full power

[tiny granite]

They heard us? THEY FINALLY HEARD US?!?!

[vagrant hull]

If they reverted it in PTB I'm going back to live because that was what I wanted to test

[knotty mortar]

I think 2v8 trapper especially should have the iri add on that opens traps randomly as basekit

[vagrant hull]

Thankfully it wasnt the worst but it was really bad in a few instances

[snow tusk]

Did they just send an in game message about postponing the tunneling and slugging update?

[knotty mortar]

Facts, it’s so rough

[severe shell]

Hopefully next time we get 2v8 its actually fun and has some new killers

[fickle crane]

They probably wanted to make sure players knew I guess. It is a big update after all

[ruby magnet]

yeah I don't disagree if they gave him like base kit (forget the name of the perk the one that blocks 3 gens for like 120 seconds) but for all gens maybe he could be good

[severe shell]

2v8 hella overstayed its welcome and this ptb was a disaster like give us a break

[ruby magnet]

Just give me chaos shuffle

[shy idol]

We need 2v8 already in the game again

[knotty mortar]

So extreme but I think some form of this could maybe work?

[stray rivet]

I only play 2v8 for the BP atp

6 games where i just listen to a podcast to p1 someone, stonks

[snow tusk]

True, let’s gooooo

Survivors can’t glaze this update and swear at me anymore (/jk they still will)

[severe shell]

I just want pig in 2v8 man is that so much to ask

[ruby magnet]

I don't mean for 120 seconds maybe like 45-60

[shy idol]

Real

[round abyss]

i’m on console

[knotty mortar]

Could work, or give him an ability to set a kind of debuff trap on a gen?

[snow tusk]

We’ll experiment more on next PTB, just means it’s not coming with the new killer on the 23th

[knotty mortar]

Idk entirely what that would entail but in concept sound okay

[ruby magnet]

maybe a gen trap that can be applied to like 2 gens at a time

[ancient viper]

Rumors of pyramid head and Dracula (my main)

[ruby magnet]

are they planning on making ptb's cross over characters you get from the in game shop

[round abyss]

YES. Bring back chaos shuffle

[knotty mortar]

This with some addons as basekit could definitely work, would be much more enjoyable to play in my opinion

[ruby magnet]

yeah I agree

[ancient viper]

I use chaos shuffle when I wanna be nice or practice honestly

I love being my new year skull merchant and watching people simp over it

[ruby magnet]

how many killers have 40 meter tr now

[ruby magnet]

literally the sole reason I can't play against her

can't focus

[shrewd copper]

Blight, Ghoul, Wesker, Huntress (technically)
Does the new gal have 40?

[ancient viper]

I would literally just stare at you 😂

[ruby magnet]

yeah in head form

[ruby magnet]

maybe least fun to play against but god damn

[shrewd copper]

I haven't touched the PTB yet

[ruby magnet]

don't its actual torture half the time

[ancient viper]

I have maybe played only a few skull merchants in over 1,000 games

[pulsar belfry]

Holy yap session in here where’s the actual PTB discussion at

[shrewd copper]

Thankfully i heard the slugging and tunneling changes are being held back

[knotty mortar]

What’s the opinions on the new survivors perks?

[ancient viper]

Well anti tunneling and slug is gone so what is there else?

[fluid fern]

it died when they delayed the tunnel and slug system

[ancient viper]

Cry

[shrewd copper]

Myers and new killer
Bout it lol

[vagrant hull]

and skins

[fluid fern]

Mad cuz bad

[ancient viper]

B tier for new killer, some buffs and she will be good. Myers can’t play lore but also good.

[pulsar belfry]

Idk the perk adjustments? The new killer? The killer reworked?

[ruby magnet]

are they keeping nurses calling buff?

[vagrant hull]

The list of characters getting skins includes springtrap, so along with the tunneling and slugging reduction changes being held back I am now sold on this update

[shrewd copper]

Random tidbit
I wish skull would get buffs so I can use my skins lol

[pulsar belfry]

Tbh this chat is just complain complain complain for some of y’all

[ruby magnet]

wait there was new skins in the ptb...

[vagrant hull]

You just noticed?

[shrewd copper]

Ain't springy getting a blighted?

[shrewd copper]

No 1 is complaining 💀

[ancient viper]

What I mean is it was mostly just people talking about the anti slug and tunnel system. Now it’s gone so only people who wanna talk about the killers are here.

[vagrant hull]

I dont actually know what skin he's getting, all I know is that he's apparently on the list of killers getting a skin

[ancient viper]

They hear their own voices (don’t mind them)

[vagrant hull]

So maybe but I dont know

[pulsar belfry]

Scroll up, headass 💀

[ruby magnet]

I am just here cause yall are chill

[shrewd copper]

Im guessing blighted since apparently the pieces of the gear are separate

In happy i can play ghostie and not have as rough a time
Honesty the tunneling would be fine if it was brought down to 4 hooks
Imo

[knotty mortar]

The people in here are cool and actually offer logical opinions on things

[vagrant hull]

Thats what I have been saying this entire fucking time

[fluid fern]

[vagrant hull]

if they reduce it to 4 or 5 this tunneling system will not affect most killers

or atleast the ones that play normally and do not heavily rely on tunneling or slugging to win

[fluid fern]

5 is too few

[shrewd copper]

4 is 2 hook 2 people
2 hooking 3 people as a weaker killer sucks

[fluid fern]

5 is bouncing between 2 people until one dies

[vagrant hull]

Your opinion is meaningless to me

[shrewd copper]

I usually try and get a person out of the game at 4-5

[vagrant hull]

4 or 5 is perfect

[knotty mortar]

3 or 4 I think

[severe shell]

Anti tunnel should only activate if you get a 3 hook kill that's it

[shrewd copper]

IM AT WORK FUCK

[vagrant hull]

damn alright then

[fluid fern]

then you dont actually care about the health of the game

[shrewd copper]

Almost had a heart attack 💀

[fluid fern]

5 is the killer getting one chase, then going for the unhooker and then back to the original, then back and forth until one person dies

[vagrant hull]

6 is asking for way too much, maybe not for people that rely on tunneling but definitely for anyone who plays this game normally

Do you expect the average killer to tunnel? I do not

[frozen widget]

I like the direction this PTB went but i wasnt crazy about the execution. It needs some rework.

[knotty mortar]

100%

[severe shell]

6 is way too demanding I had 2 girls death hook and I couldn't kill either of them even though they were basically running at me it's not good design

[ruby magnet]

last time I was in general it was just people saying clanker 1000x times over and people calling them racist for saying it

[ruby magnet]

same almost everygame for me to

[vagrant hull]

5 can be two people dead on hook and one extra hook or all 4 of them hooked and one dead on hook

[knotty mortar]

I’m ngl, I don’t even know what ‘clanker’ means

[fluid fern]

You dont have 100 hours

like Im not humoring this. You dont even understand the game yet

[vagrant hull]

Yeah I started playing when fnaf released and I dont play this game religiously like you

[frozen widget]

Clanker?

[ruby magnet]

idk either i know it comes from star wars and has just become a robot slur

[spice tulip]

👍

[vagrant hull]

I play to try and have fun which is weirdly uncommon in this community for some reason

[spice tulip]

welcome to DBD everyone has ego and everyone is toxic

[vagrant hull]

I dont rely on petty tactics like most of these guys do

[knotty mortar]

Ohhh I’ve never seen Star Wars so that’d make sense lol

[ruby magnet]

the annoying thing is sometimes a survivor will just hide which requires you to death hook all of the other 3 survivors

[shrewd copper]

I have
Thousands of hours
Most of them on Ghostface
It is VERY hard to win a 4v1 as a weaker killer.
And im damn good at Ghostface.
Having a 3v1 at 4-5 hooks helps me alot against goos players.

[ruby magnet]

same just heard people saying that

[severe shell]

Dbd is the only asym game where you can play well and people will tell you you're bad for playing well

[vagrant hull]

If I lose I lose, I'm not gonna be happy about it but its still a game, and I'm not about to IP log someone for being better at a game than me

[severe shell]

Never seen anything like this in friday the 13th lmao

[frozen widget]

Dbd is fun but man if you read the community its like we are playing 3 different games.

[lapis jacinth]

what did they change about the ptb changes i heard they reverted them is that true?

[knotty mortar]

Facts, but then I have a friend who’s new to gaming in general and she always tunnelled out instantly cause she’s not great

[shrewd copper]

When you play a weaker killer just genuinely you can say "skill issue lol"

[spice tulip]

yh they delayed the tunnel/slug changes

Basement trapper will sort all ur problems

[severe shell]

I am but a humble pig main too

[lapis jacinth]

due to them being horrible i assume?

[severe shell]

I still get called all kinds of names

[vagrant hull]

"The Killer killed someone? reported"

[spice tulip]

yh

[lapis jacinth]

tysm

[knotty mortar]

Pig mains are cool people, I hope there’s buffs coming your way!

[shrewd copper]

The strongest killer i play sometimes is Wesker
I play Huntress, Ghostie, Wesker.
My main fave 3
Huntress im really good at but the bitch is so slow XD

[frozen widget]

I think the definition of whats Fair and whats Fun never line up with everyone.

[shrewd copper]

Ghostie is just fun to me

[vagrant hull]

I main Springtrap and my only problem so far is gen rushing and the fact all of his own perks are useless to him

[ruby magnet]

I like dbd being unfair honestly just not when people stop tunneling me

[shrewd copper]

Phantom fear is like s tier on mfs like Wesker tho (imo)

[pulsar belfry]

So killer mains were able to sook and whinge enough to get rid of the new update 🥸 interesting…

[severe shell]

Which is crazy every other game on the planet where you play really good you're rewarded in game and get some respect in dbd you're punished and get doxxed

[vagrant hull]

Yeah and then theres help wanted and haywire which both are completely useless

or so close to it that the difference is irrelevant

[shrewd copper]

Love how they nerfed haywire
Because of singularity
5 bucks its cause of singularity

[vagrant hull]

that shit was perfectly fine at 50% they could have changed it to 60%

[frozen widget]

Its insane, in the same thread i see killers being blamed for killing and survivors being blamed for fixing generators. Like... wtf?

[shrewd copper]

Just on singularity, a GOOD singularity could hold gates for a LONG time

[vagrant hull]

and then help wanted is supposed to be a "trap", according to the devs its in his name, but its kind of just encouraging survivors to complete a specific generator for a benefit that isnt even worth it

[shrewd copper]

KILLERS KILLING????
OH MY GOOOODDDDDD NERF THE WRAITH

[ruby magnet]

I love how they nerfed bbq and chili (if that nerf stayed I mightve actually started a riot)

[vagrant hull]

pop and bbq are fortunately safe for now

[severe shell]

Imagine playing a fighting game where you get punished for going in a win streak in ranked and if you lose one game you get deranked to bronze

[vagrant hull]

-# I hope

[knotty mortar]

The thing I hate is survivors giving up and just spam crouching in front of me cause I’ve done well

[shrewd copper]

I didn't see the nerf
I know dead man's
How did they nerf BBQ and pain res?

[frozen widget]

Not the Wraith!!!!

[knotty mortar]

Like let me atleast have fun in chase

[ruby magnet]

speaking of hope

[shrewd copper]

Okay fine, nerf trapper

[vagrant hull]

That is slowly dwindling

[ruby magnet]

bbq was reworked so after 1 hook on everyone you deal 5% more damage to generators and pain res I believe had its progress loss lowered

[frozen widget]

I want the next PTB to give surviors a thumbs up emote.

[ruby magnet]

the real survivor buff we need

[shrewd copper]

I wish the default killers could choose one of the 5 chase themes to have
The default themes are SO GOOD (imo)

[frozen widget]

Balance out the teabags ya know

[shrewd copper]

A thumbs up would be baller

[vagrant hull]

Can we give all killers a middle finger emote

[ruby magnet]

hear me out on them giving low tier killers a fifth perk slot or 3rd addon slot

[frozen widget]

That would be good. Some nuetral themes

[knotty mortar]

HELL YES