ptb-discussion

[obtuse berry]

pain res is a laughable 12%

Pentimento was gutted months ago

[ruby dove]

bbq is worse

[flat river]

there’s an otz clip where he had 2 hooks on 3 survivors or something and he saw someone working on a gen that’s like ~90% so he grabbed them off the gen and killed them and then he couldn’t kick the gen because they died when they were just unhooked

[carmine bobcat]

Singularity with ghostfaces gen perk that blocks empty gens is insane u only gotta check those cams

[paper dock]

Oh, okay, I see your stance on regression, nvm. No point in engaging in this convo with you lmao

[fleet lagoon]

its nerfed a while ago and its bad cuz it reveals itself like noed now

[young forum]

nerfing pain res, one of the only perks that actually incentivizes splitting hooks is ridiculous

[obtuse berry]

Are you seriously defending this update lol

[ruby dove]

Lose the gen or lose the gen

[gray night]

I am for the most part

Number tweaking needed but not much

[drowsy pond]

win conditions are now 2Ks 😳😂

[obtuse berry]

you think 20% of current after walking across the map is fair compensation for the storm of survivor basekit perks and other buffs

[drowsy pond]

after this update

[flat river]

no, that’s still a tie

[weary jackal]

Punished for tunneling

[ruby dove]

entity displeased

[drowsy pond]

if they don’t add the tunnel changes then it’s a perfect update

[carmine bobcat]

all this is gonna make me do is drag games on till the one hour limit and i auto win

[obtuse berry]

Honing stone trapper is actually dead this patch too

[drowsy pond]

Singularity main

[obtuse berry]

his one addon that let him have any pressure is now dead

[inland vine]

singularity mention

[flat river]

4 books instead of 6 and change the survivor hook cover from 3 seconds after unhook to 1

[lofty glen]

wouldnt it be cool tho if that was the meta from the start and getting a 2k was considered a W

[carmine bobcat]

i love singularity

[young forum]

al this is going to do is make me stop caring about winning and only play to tunnel someone out and ruin the match for them like the devs are ruining the game for all killers

[drowsy pond]

https://tenor.com/view/singularity-dbd-dead-by-daylight-yeah-yes-yup-i-agree-hux-a7-13-gif-14349923789006120723

[fleet lagoon]

then the game will start balancing around 2ks...

[young forum]

make the new killer win condition having a survivor die with less than 10k score

[drowsy pond]

My killer ego wouldn’t be satisfied with a tied result regardless if it was a win condition

[ruby dove]

yes, tunnel out specificaly the ttv names. Dont stop even with the penalty. Become the real killer

[obtuse berry]

Literally all they had to do is make the unhooked survivor have the 30s of all those buffs until they do a conspicuous action

[carmine bobcat]

I dont think its possible to not get a 4k with 4 gen blocking perks as singularity im on like a 20+ 4k streak 😭

[flat river]

“noo im so mad that the killer is killing by targeting someone thats more vulnerable that the rest!!”

[obtuse berry]

Just make it very difficult to tunnel people off hook who aren’t doing gens in your face

[lofty glen]

i once went into a match as blood favor ghoul and tunneled everyone straight out of the hook with anticamp

[inland vine]

crazy how sable gets more hate than ace mains when most of them are always toxic

[obtuse berry]

instead they burned everything down with gasoline

[flat river]

i’m an ace main </3

[drowsy pond]

Aces are either always sweaty asf or pure trash

[inland vine]

are you one of the ones or normal

[flat river]

i’m just good at looping

[ruby dove]

if you touch a gen your anti tunnel should be void. I THOUGHT we learned this with Decisive strike. Fml

[gusty rivet]

Or anyone holding a flashlight 🤣

[carmine bobcat]

As long as ur killer is fast u can just freely kill before 6 hooks and kill the last 3. (Assuming you have a stall/ strong killer)

[lofty glen]

funnily enough i had an ace bully squad yesterday

does the ptb have mmr btw?

[fleet lagoon]

endurance go away after a conspicuous

[drowsy pond]

Bully squads still exist in 2025?? 😳😳

[carmine bobcat]

This makes the issue where only low tier killers suffer but 90% of the killers r lowtier

[flat river]

“ugh your good at the role your playing!!! your toxic survivor main and i hope you DIE!!”

[ruby dove]

nurse, blight, etc

Welcome to S tier only boys

[lofty glen]

feels cringe calling them bully squads cuz aint they bullying no one

[drowsy pond]

😂😂 facts

[carmine bobcat]

Singularity should be s tier change my mind

[flat river]

if he gets a few number tweaks then yeah he would be

[carmine bobcat]

Dude i got some nasty double biopod setups w the range addons that force 2 emps to safely do the gen 😭

[flat river]

i need to learn how to depict the range on the emps

[drowsy pond]

Honestly be should be he’s one of the most annoying killers to go against

[hazy kraken]

Oh man... I did 6 hook stages and yet when I killed surv on 7th I've got gens blocked...

[carmine bobcat]

A ass singularity is like whatever but a good singularity is far more inconvenient than a good nurse

[flat river]

in 4 mans or even 2 mans he’s easy to go against

[ruby magnet]

first 5 seconds wtf

[carmine bobcat]

idk dude im dialed tf in on single rn

[hazy kraken]

Had same shit

[lofty glen]

not krasue or smth?

[carmine bobcat]

if u get good enough u just cant loose

[ruby magnet]

spent 10 minutes in a que just for ts

[fleet lagoon]

L

[vagrant hull]

ok apparently playing as anything but krasue is forbidden

[ruby magnet]

they didnt like me playing ghoul

[flat river]

i just need to play him more, i’ve become rusty

[vagrant hull]

I join a match as springtrap and they all just instantly leave, what the fuck

[lofty glen]

at this point im convinced this game is only this toxic in NA

[vagrant hull]

obviously

[flat river]

it’s cuz they want to learn how to counter her

[fleet lagoon]

ah.

[ruby magnet]

can you hear ghoul scream in the start cause they dc'ed before I even was able to move

[lofty glen]

is there a dc penalty in the ptb?

[vagrant hull]

I'm just tryna test out a new build and they do this

[carmine bobcat]

all my illnesses make me even more annoying on
Him

[flat river]

you wanna know what they should add to the patch??

[fleet lagoon]

they can hear kagune leaps but I don't think screams

[ruby magnet]

how tf did they know

[vagrant hull]

foxy skin

[fleet lagoon]

maybe they just don't like lerys

[ruby magnet]

oh nvm the seeing killer probably also resets

[flat river]

no, a way to make survivor vomit sounds from plague a seperate fucking sound slider

[lofty glen]

fun fact, in open maps as krasue you can go into head mode at the start of the game to see where survivors spawn, then fly over

[fleet lagoon]

what does that mean

[ruby magnet]

no they told me and I quote "jump no one loves you playing ghoul in ptb is such loser activity actually jump"

[flat river]

he got nerfed </3

[fleet lagoon]

well how did they found out then

[lofty glen]

the most salt i ever got in this game was "youre the worst dbd player in brazil" and "yea disgusting" after i did the ghoul camp tunnel thing i mentioned earlier

[ruby magnet]

when your new to dbd you get a msg before loading in the game for the killer I believe the first like 5 times you play against them

[fleet lagoon]

maybe from the loading screen tooltips

yeah

[lofty glen]

no one ever told me to engage in dangerous activities, or that im bad or even just dropped a ggez, never

[ruby magnet]

I aint even load in man😭

[lofty glen]

i like my country it may be goofy af but the people are nice at least

[ruby magnet]

bro what servers are you in I have had them go through steam to insult me

[vagrant hull]

most interesting thing for me to date is "yeah you're the typa person to get ######## every night" and then some other message I forgot

[flat river]

they were running windows and dropped every pallet, they died

[vagrant hull]

I included the hashtags because they were too long to be any ordinary swear word

[lofty glen]

aint no way im allowing comments on my steam profile for sht like this

[vagrant hull]

and I have no idea what they said

[hazy kraken]

Man, wtf is that dulled knife add-on for krasue?

[flat river]

it’s funny as hell, i have all my comments up just to make shitty survivors known

[vagrant hull]

knife

[flat river]

yeah, worst addon now by far

[hazy kraken]

It literally buffs survivors harder than the killer having it

[vagrant hull]

Survivors have never gone to my profile to talk shit

[fleet lagoon]

every killer have a brown that does that

[flat river]

you probably have your comments off

[vagrant hull]

how would I turn them on hypothetically

[flat river]

it’s a blue though

[hazy kraken]

The one I'm talking about is fucking blue

[flat river]

steam profile > edit profile and it’s somewhere there

[ruby magnet]

I had a game where a survivor dropped every pallet on the whole map like obscene predropping in chase then easily won and he went on a like minute rant about this game being killer sided (I was playing trapper by the way)

[spiral bone]

you sure about that?

[vagrant hull]

its blue

[fleet lagoon]

oh that one

[hazy kraken]

What's even good add-ons for her cuz I want to try this abomination of balance

[flat river]

just just free lucky break + iron will

[proven cradle]

so you're telling me these mfers got basekit
tenacity
unbreakable
AND soul guard?
wtf

[ruby magnet]

I am honestly just playing ptb cause I am addicted rn and too lazy to swap to normal

[fleet lagoon]

its good for bodyblocking with head I guess

[flat river]

not soul guard

[hazy kraken]

Wiggling parasite boosts fucking fungus that already is broken item

[spiral bone]

btw, am I crazy or does it feel weird that the intestinal whip can't go over pallets

[carmine bobcat]

Whats the longest killer winstreak

[lofty glen]

what is this addon wtf
whole counterplay is to pop shroom as soon as chase starts

[proven cradle]

then why can they just tank a hit after picking themselves up

[flat river]

yeah i agree

[ruby magnet]

I just wanna point out I still haven't gotten a single fucking reason for base kit tenacity

[flat river]

probably another survivor perk

[winged stream]

not soul guard although its gonna be popular

[flat river]

me neither

[fleet lagoon]

eating shroom slows you

[spiral bone]

also the fact that half the time you miss because the turning on it while lunging is ass. At least give us a basic intestinal m1 in that state so we don't miss when we very clearly shouldn't be.

[lofty glen]

eh you can do it while looping or checkspotting

[ruby magnet]

can we riot behaviour till they give us a reason?

[flat river]

giving everyone a basekit perk that is on a paid survivor

[ruby magnet]

give us base kit fire up lowkey

[flat river]

should work like coup de grace

[spiral bone]

I'm intentionally throwing my killer matches to make a point in their collected ptb data. I suggest everyone else do the same. I'm slugging

[lethal kelp]

Dbd will never be the same again 🫡

[ruby magnet]

no

[fleet lagoon]

well head mode have the Dracula bat view but I guess its too much for compensating

[flat river]

the downfall of killer mains

[proven cradle]

ok so, I just realized
slugging for the 4k is just gutted now
you can't do it anymore

[ruby magnet]

I like the thrill of winning

[spiral bone]

unless you want this to all go live without changes, we have to make a point.

[lethal kelp]

The game truly is dead, by day light

[winged stream]

can't wait till survivors getting all perks as basekit in the game and there will be no perks to use

[ruby magnet]

I legit don't care anymore

[proven cradle]

Hugs By Bedtime

[jade notch]

except calm spirit

[hazy kraken]

Those perks just gonna buff the base kit ones while killer will have all perks removed

[flat river]

“survivors are now 4.6ms”

[slim sleet]

decisive strike basekit next lowkey because survivors complain about being picked up

[hazy kraken]

"All killers are 4.0ms to balance the changes"

[flat river]

just make it auto blind the killer on pickup

[ruby dove]

I will actually commit warcrimes if we get 4 automatic dstrikes again

[slim sleet]

true, and everyone should start with a syringe and medkit for free ong

[flat river]

basket dh too

[slim sleet]

ong

[ruby dove]

tfw we are going back to 2016 meta

[flat river]

know what, just make every great skill check just complete a gen

[slim sleet]

lowkey thatll fix this killer sided game™

[flat river]

make gates auto open

[ruby dove]

heres my change for survivors. Original bloodweb. SUFFER

[slim sleet]

eight hatches

unclosable

[flat river]

know what, forget the gens, make the gate auto openable at start

[ruby dove]

im talking the old legacy bloodweb

[flat river]

wait i actually lowk had a perk idea for that tho

[spiral bone]

I ain't losing DbD the way we lost EVOLVE

[proven cradle]

is dramaturgy glitched?

[ruby magnet]

the thing is dbd has gone through much more and survived

[ruby dove]

lol evolve and back4blood

[paper dock]

You can still do it, you just have a shorter time limit to get it done

[lethal kelp]

Killers need:
basekit corrupt
Base kit grim embrace
Base kit ruin
(Wesker version)

[spiral bone]

naur this is literally their worst idea by far

[proven cradle]

of which the other survivor WILL hide that entire time

[paper dock]

They do that already, but we can find them. Doesn't matter much anyway, 3k, 4k, both are killer wins

[proven cradle]

corrupt intervention rework:
survivors run 15% faster

[ruby magnet]

I used to hate on grim embrace but legit that shit slowly grew on me

[ruby dove]

i miss deadmans switch

[ruby magnet]

if you ran grim embrace and dead mans would deadmans stack with grim?

[fleet lagoon]

no

[ruby dove]

no

[ruby magnet]

would it just start with grim then

[fleet lagoon]

but grim will force a release to proc 50s block

[ruby magnet]

its not 50s anymore

[paper dock]

35s now iirc

[spice ibex]

Someone explain the new killer’s power to me

[opal mirage]

no thanks

[spice ibex]

Don’t make me ask twice.

[fleet lagoon]

well DMS cooldown is also 35s after the nerf

[ruby dove]

it also only blocks one gen now

[ruby magnet]

oh yeah don't get me wrong its fine but in some scenerios I would much prefer the 50s rather than a quicker cooldown

[fleet lagoon]

so you spit, and make them infected, and you can use your head form that has a longer lunge to injure

[spice ibex]

So mix of Plague and Chucky

[fleet lagoon]

more like unknown + drac wolf

[ruby magnet]

we should stop saying dash slop and say chucky slop

[spice ibex]

So literally the same thing? Got it lol.

[ruby magnet]

was this not like 15%?

[spice ibex]

That was meant for the other message

[paper dock]

Nope, it's unchanged

[ruby magnet]

damn I mean still good but I thought that was 15%

[paper dock]

Still really, really good

[robust pike]

I was told the Krasue’s mushrooms don’t respawn unless you use her power and I have been utterly deceived and bamboozled

[fleet lagoon]

but its m1 perk so its automatically bad

[ruby magnet]

not really

a decent amount of killer proc it

[robust pike]

It used to be really good on myers, good for iri hair builds now ig

[hollow lily]

what is the queue time ?

[ruby magnet]

I still run it with kaneki and wraith but myers was the sole reason I got demo entirely for surge lol

[robust pike]

I still think myers reversion addon should be more common than iridescent though, like purple rarity since the rework has people pretty heavily divided over the lunge (I love the swapping modes though)

[fleet lagoon]

m1 killers are going to but suffer more from the changes

[ruby magnet]

thats what I wanted to but oh well

[fleet lagoon]

they're adding more pallets to prevent deadzones too

wraith could only run shadowdance now

[robust pike]

Yeahhhh, myers rework being a lunge on top of this patch only really working for top tier killers realllly has made this dead by dayblight

[hollow lily]

any1 know the eqt?

[robust pike]

As in, high mobility required (lunge, tp)

[sweet quartz]

The update is gonna ruin killer ngl, as a killer main, having all the good killer perks become trash sucks, and getting punished for simply playing the game ngl

[robust pike]

I really really don’t think most of these changes are gonna make it to live because they genuinely will just kill the game

[opal mirage]

i cant bruh ts funny asf

[robust pike]

Z tier rage bait but alright

[opal mirage]

z tier mid killer main copium

mid mid mid

i NEED to tunnel I NEED ITTTTTT

[brittle dawn]

PTB might not be so accurate, because all squads so far have brought brand new parts, but the tunneling feels good.

[opal mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[rigid garden]

Poor ragebait

[opal mirage]

the spongebob gif is you

[sweet quartz]

"Hey! We see you recently got this game for the cool killers!! We're making playing Killer harder, less rewarding, AND nerfing every good killer perk!!" This update genuinely might fuck over killer mains

[rigid garden]

I dont even play killer anymore bro

[opal mirage]

that checks out

[rigid garden]

How does that check out when you just said im a killer main

poor ragebait, no rage just confusion

[opal mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-point-went-over-your-head-the-point-gif-8730078

[fleet lagoon]

where did he said that

[brittle dawn]

I'd just say ignore z, because they aren't worth it

[spiral bone]

devs really adding all that stuff to handhold survivors and then I get this in a match. I wll not be sharing the perks. You already know what they are.

[opal mirage]

yea ur right ol partner i aint worth a damn dime!

[sweet quartz]

It buffs survivors to hell and back, makes killer damn near useless/unfun

[ruby dove]

guess lightborn is permanent again

[spiral bone]

within the first ten seconds I got pallet stunned and blinded

[sweet quartz]

Like, the anti tunnel shit seems so useless, you can be simply chasing just to get fucked my the shitty anti tunnel shit

[hoary bramble]

taking a break from A tiers to play some legion

[robust pike]

Also, hot (?) take, the myers rework definitely made him stronger but also objectively worse. Turning him into another lunge killer, no matter how strong, is going to be a temporary fix at best. Even if people have fun with him (which, I’m seeing about 60/40 say they dislike vs like the lunge part of the rework), with his kit being so essentially similar to chucky or billy, his interest is going to plummet fast as there is not really any unique movement that you can really do that the others cant. Besides it also not making sense for the character, it feels just insanely lazy for them to slap a tweaked pig dash on him and call it good. I think personally (myers one trick btw so might be biased), to give him basekit iri hair (50% lunge speed, expose during evil with no lunge) and to keep the tombstone and other changes. It makes him very unique and scary during chases, late chases especially, without turning him into the 6th dash killer in the game with no real personality or unique chase mechanics

[sweet quartz]

Enduring is back on the menu !!

[opal mirage]

legion is fun

[spiral bone]

also I'm pretty sure the anti-tunnel procced after I hooked a bot twice in a row, with their first hook being a unique hook and the second one causing the spikes to spawn around generators. What the hell?

[rigid garden]

The only thing the first survivor to get hooked has to do is harass the killer because the killer literally shouldnt touch them

[hoary bramble]

he is for sure, but also very very very low tier

[ruby dove]

no identity anymore

[hoary bramble]

so hopium i dont face the swf

[ripe bison]

His lunge sucks either way and feels very pointless

[hoary bramble]

runing the endgame legion, NWO,NOED,BW,Bam

[hazy kraken]

Man, it feels like survs actually dying on purpose at ptb

[robust pike]

Exactly, I think the basekit nerfed tombstone and tier swapping is super fun and interesting though, and that would’ve been a really refreshing rework while also removing his most broken and frustrating addons as well

[opal mirage]

yeah thats no secret that hes low tier but i like how you can use pretty much any perks on him unless theyre m1 reliant perks, but even then surge works well on him

[rigid garden]

Straight up garbage tier game design to reward a survivor for playing horrible while punishing the killer for playing as intended

[ripe bison]

Hes also not nearly as scary in tier 3 when he just has an instant down lunge and nothing else

[hazy kraken]

I literally got 4k with m1 krasue

[ripe bison]

A slow instant down lunge at that

[robust pike]

His lunge definitely feels clunky but it is better than nothing, making him technically overall stronger but yeah I don’t like it either

[sweet quartz]

Bhvr gutted Myers whilst also spitting on killer mains

[hoary bramble]

they for sure are, seen ppl ive hooked tier 2 chase me around with flashlight/TB and just being a nuisance

[rigid garden]

Because they actively get rewarded for it

[opal mirage]

i tried to test blight out on the PTB but 2 people DC'd instantly for some reason idk why

[robust pike]

I’ve had hooked survivors chase me just for fun during actual matches bc I recently hooked them / they would die too early, n knew that even if I did kill them it’d be more of a buff that they died than if they lived

[rigid garden]

If they die they literally debuff the killer and buff their teammates

[elder grove]

people literally can do gens without any drawbacks in the killers face because youve "not hooked enought people / was the last person hooked"
This update rewards the dumbest playstyle for suvivors which is literally ignoring the killer

[hazy kraken]

When I say dying I mean giving 4k

[opal mirage]

whoops wrong message @hazy kraken

[rigid garden]

So if im in a swf why should I ever not actively throw?

[hazy kraken]

Like who tf would die to krasue that never goes into head form?

[elder grove]

infact doesnt that destroy condemm sadako?

[rigid garden]

Genuine question

[ruby dove]

As everyone who can read figured out, survivors will abuse the ever loving hell out of any anti tunnel perk.

Happened repeatedly with DS, this is no different

[ripe bison]

They could have just modified his existing tier 3 to be far more terrifying and aggressive than it already is, or at least experimented with that idea im the ptb

[sweet quartz]

Hottake, the anti tunnel/slug stuff seems super useless and actively punishes you for playing as killer

[rigid garden]

Yeah any killer that cant actively control who gets downed or dies is screwed over this

[elder grove]

i mean she is a new killer. Which means playing as her you might as well be on the lowest MMRs possible

[opal mirage]

unless youre playing a good killer than it just doesnt matter

[hazy kraken]

Head form is so bad I don't want to use it, the body form is just a weaker plague...

[ruby dove]

Basically

[hazy kraken]

Man krasue is trash

[spiral bone]

wait I just realized.
The Krasue IS Dashslop.
The intestinal whip is a dash

[sweet quartz]

She seems fun on paper, but sucks otherwise

[fleet lagoon]

is a long lunge

[rigid garden]

Correct!

[robust pike]

I think good fixes would be things like, removing basekit tenacity (bc unbreakable + tenacity + bonus recovery speed + crawl speed bonus is a bit much), give the killer back info on hooks (bc why remove it with everything else?), lower the hook requirement for kills to 4-5 (would require double hooking a single survivor at least once), and to add a timer that would remove the recently hooked penalty, to prevent insane survivor snowballs just because the only survivor that the killer can find was the one they hooked last

[opal mirage]

i wish a survivor would throw themselves at me on death hook while im playing blight it wont go the way they want it to lmao

[fleet lagoon]

that is no where near a dash

[spiral bone]

let me have this it's so funny
at least lemme have the Dashlop headlong flight

[hazy kraken]

Worthy only for stealth build as her body form looks a lot like normal yui lol

[rigid garden]

What would you do

[fleet lagoon]

also the head form vaulting lets you get free vaulting back

[robust pike]

Most other things I don’t really have an issue with besides this if I’m being honest though

[opal mirage]

simply murder them, then the rest of their 3 teammates

[rigid garden]

Enjoy the debuff

[hazy kraken]

The head form feels so clunky I don't even want to use it

[robust pike]

Besides myers lunge, imma be actively protesting for my poor boy Michael

[opal mirage]

i dont rely on gen regression/blocking and i can create enough pressure as blight in a 3v1 to force them off of gens or die

[hazy kraken]

Especially this trashy charge that can be easily dodge by once step aside

[rigid garden]

Lmao

[hazy kraken]

I literally just played her body form only

[spiral bone]

real and true

[robust pike]

“On blight”, the issue isn’t with S tier killers this patch- it’s everything below A tier, which is a solid 70% of the killers in the game at minimum

[opal mirage]

also there is incentive to tunnel, you tunnel someone as a high mobility killer and get constant aura reading on all the other survivors after hook so you can go straight there, basekit pop their gen harass them a little than continue to tunnel the one out

[robust pike]

You don’t get aura reading for consecutive hooks, and only for survivors with equal or less hook states

After you hook the one, if you go back and hook em again you don’t get bbq or haste or the gen pop

[hazy kraken]

That's just embarrassing

[opal mirage]

true but still the changes doesnt affect high tier killers either way for the most part theyre still completely fine

[agile estuary]

Honestly I think she’s really good, you just neeed to know when to attack, how to prevent them getting shrooms, and then how to actually use the head, it’s more knowledge over instant oh I’m so good easy 4k

[robust pike]

Exactly, the issue is that high tier killers aren’t affected much if at all but lower tier killers are heavily hindered- which is gonna lead to games being 90% A+ tier killers, and the other 10% are gonna be absolute sweeps for any competent survivor

[agile estuary]

that’s my opinion though everyone gets theirs

[opal mirage]

id dare say when these changes gets implemented in some form which they will than youre gonna start seeing alot more individual killer buffs/reworks

[robust pike]

She definitely has a very high skill floor and ceiling, which I’m a fan of

[agile estuary]

100%, for me the chapter is 10/10 it’s just the tunneling changes are horrible (to me) and slugging changes are great but kinda ruin high level Plague some

[robust pike]

True, but wouldn’t reducing many of these changes in some way not provide the same benefit as individual buffs and save the extra time and headache

[buoyant vault]

I think covering the hook status is fine so killer wont come back to tunnel the same survivor off hook immediately

[opal mirage]

that would be the lazy option, the better option is to balance the average killers accordingly in my opinion

[robust pike]

True, but with the survivor now getting 30 seconds of haste, endurance and undetectable it’d make targeting them just a waste of time anyways. 30 seconds is a third of a gen, and most killers can’t get two hits on a hasted survivor w/o scratch marks that fast; plus some killers don’t have any basekit info besides the unhook notification

[buoyant vault]

It happens too many times in my survivor game where killer knows the survivor they want to tunnel is off hook and they came back to hit the person off hook not the one who rescue

Even if the rescuer nearbg

[hoary bramble]

just beat full gen rush squad with no mither, conviction, plot twist, umbreakable and all the other BS

[little salmon]

Okay why do I love this update

[buoyant vault]

So hiding the hook stat gives the tunnel survivor more time to recover off hook

[opal mirage]

which you cant really blame the killer for if they havent already engaged in a chase before the unhook

[robust pike]

I think a lot of these changes would be good by themselves but all of them combined is heeaaavily too much, especially for lower tier killers

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233178695703855155/1407962849095192576/IMG_1646.gif

[buoyant vault]

I notice some in chase but they drop and just come back to tunnel the person

[flat river]

hiding hook view should be a perk fr

[buoyant vault]

So yeah...

[opal mirage]

too many times as killer i will leave hook looking for another chase just for the hook to get insta pulled, like what should i do spend more time roaming around aimlessly or go to where i know half the team is

[robust pike]

That would be pretty neat actually, could be a built in effect to already existing perks as well

[buoyant vault]

It better to hide it abit until at least the off hook survivor can recover

[flat river]

or maybe an iri survivor offering

[robust pike]

That’d be cool too honestly, as long as it wasn’t a hidden offering

[opal mirage]

well then theyre just being a dickhead atp

[buoyant vault]

Yup i notice a few does that

So the delay unhook notif will hell

[flat river]

true

[buoyant vault]

Help*

[robust pike]

Yeahh but killers aren’t allowed to be mean!!! That’s mean!!! Anyways me and my 3 friends are gonna run head on flashbang champion of light and flashlight builds and get mad when the killer slugs

[opal mirage]

definitely but there are known ways to circumvent it already which bhvr will have to address

[cyan pine]

To the people worried about tunneling changes: Just tunnel immediately at 5 gens and then 3v1 with whatever gens you got left. That's what my plan is.

[buoyant vault]

Cause then when they come back the survivor will not be there giving them reason not to go back to hook

[buoyant vault]

Should be might not be there

[cyan pine]

Forget gen regression, I'm bringing haste and aura perks

[opal mirage]

you seem like youve had quite the traumatic experiences as killer

[buoyant vault]

The only think i feel in this update is the penalty

[opal mirage]

my condolences

[buoyant vault]

To killer

Anti slugging i know better when i try it live maybe

[robust pike]

It’s so wild that killers are getting punished for toxic players (which are frustrating for certain, but they’re not a majority by any means) but survivors can run any perk combo with 3 other friends in a call to harass a killer and get no penalty for not touching gens besides some birds overhead

[hazy kraken]

It's not quality of life update, it's quality of death update

[robust pike]

Low mmr lobbies when you first start out are ruthless with swf and hackers 😭

[opal mirage]

thats true but also the mmr system is getting reworked soon

[buoyant vault]

I had that as killer too 😂 😂

Luckily not all time

[robust pike]

Good, but hopefully it’ll be more reasonable than the current ptb changes

[hazy kraken]

Also man head form of krasue is only worthy to move around map, nothing more

Body form is more useful than it

[lusty crown]

So I've got a killer build built around the recent changes. I run it on Kaneki but it could probably work with a lot of high mobility killers: Make Your Choice, Floods of Rage + Jagged Compass... does anyone think this would be a viable build to work around the changes? I cannot play ptb so I can't test it yet

[opal mirage]

i dare say killers will start being graded on how well they can split pressure in some way rather than just kills

[hazy kraken]

But krasue as a killer is total trash added in a trashy update

[robust pike]

a lot of the changes aren’t even a bad idea but they’re all just cranked up to 90/10, and it’s going to dramatically shift the entire play of the game if it goes through even if a killer doesn’t tunnel or slug previously

[robust pike]

true but I don’t personally want my entire game to be just circling generators and leaving a chase if it lasts for longer than 15 seconds

[cyan pine]

Don't really need MYC as Kaneki since you should be deep wounding the person off hook even though they are injured so they can't dead hard. Add bamboozle and maybe agitation for strategic hooking?

[buoyant vault]

I would do that after awhile

But those are games i dont do well cause the survivors are too good

[cyan pine]

Blood favor is also very mean on kaneki

[buoyant vault]

There time i chase and met the same survivor i hook 😂 😂

[lusty crown]

These are good suggestions

[hazy kraken]

Either I'm having extremely low mmr at ptb or survivors give up games on purpose for better stats on killers

[buoyant vault]

And only manage to down that person

[hazy kraken]

So they can justify those fucking changes

[robust pike]

Also as for myers, I think a lot of his addons needed to be nerfed for certain, but now half of them are insanely similar to wraith (break speed, pickup speed) or pig (almost 1-1 lunge speed addons)

[lusty crown]

My idea was mostly based around scattering the survs and ensuring I get consistent aura read + basekit bbq

[brittle dawn]

So, from having played the PTB, I think the hook states should go down to 4, rather than 6. Other than that, it isn't a bad patch as far as the anti-tunneling thing goes. Haven't experienced the anti-slug, but six unique hooks to four is the right call

[lusty crown]

No gen regression cause I'll try and spread hook states for the bonus gen kicks

[hazy kraken]

After playing ptb a bit I don't expect anything good from this update

[buoyant vault]

That or remove the penalty

It better to just incenticive then punish

[robust pike]

If you play any killer that can mori (pyramid head, pig, onryo, myers) and mori your last hooked survivor (no matter how much time has passed), all gens will be permanently blocked for the rest of the match.

[buoyant vault]

If they still choose to be jerk nothing can be done

[robust pike]

Devour hope also triggers this.

[hazy kraken]

I'd rather delete the game and download siege than play by survivor rule book devs enforce on all the killers

[brittle dawn]

Also, Friends 'Til the End is a good idea, too. Regardless of who you hook, you can see the Obsession

[fleet lagoon]

now that I'm thinking, does the devs only take notes on community feedbacks but not from fog whisperers that actually are playing in the meta and know how good or bad the changes are

[cyan pine]

Actually Nicotine run lethal pursuer so you can immediately get in chase at the start, and it buffs your floods of rage. Jaged compass is solid and tbh I can't think of a good 4th perk

[hazy kraken]

Friends till the end + furtive chase

[lusty crown]

This used to be my strat until the cooldown nerfs

[fleet lagoon]

fog whisperers are supposed to be the sopkesperson of the playerbase or so I thought

[brittle dawn]

I might have to tweak my Legion build for that. I run Lightborn, Friends, Enduring, and Spirit Fury

[robust pike]

This thing right here absolutely has to be fixed or changed in some way or else some characters are gonna be borderline unusable, especially pig or onryo (pig mainly though since you can’t really control if they headpop after they’ve been hooked)

[cyan pine]

Forever entwined is the better lightborn and it stops pallet saves. Survivors need to be sniffing your ass crack to get a pallet save.

[hazy kraken]

Which ones?

[lusty crown]

Furtive +FTTE

[robust pike]

This patch hurts my soul as a myers one trick who dabbles in pig and onryo 😭

[raven flume]

Don't lie. Don't mess it up for us when the update goes live just because you all want to kiss up and kiss dirty asses that's hairy and uncleaned. Be considerate and think about us too. They aren't going to give any of you a medal for that

[hazy kraken]

CD on those?

[robust pike]

Ok Leon

[jade radish]

oh leon

[raven flume]

Just doing the daily reminder

[robust pike]

You’re definitely adding constructive dialogue to the conversation thanks

[raven flume]

Don’t want any of you to fall asleep and forgetting this

[robust tendon]

There's no CD on neither perks no? I run em daily

[hazy kraken]

I wish this update was a dream

A nightmare you just wake up from

But it won't work

[raven flume]

I’ve been crying for days in fear that you all will lie in the feedback.

[hazy kraken]

Anyway I feel like I'll actually delete the game when this shit goes live

It's complete bullshit

Killer is an m1 bullshit with joke of a dash

Candy outside - horseshit inside

[upbeat panther]

this x10000

[ripe dragon]

idek how to play the ptb 😄

[hazy kraken]

Better stay on live while it's somehow playable

When 9.2 gets released, delete the game and install something better

[pearl pecan]

if you aint main a A+ or higher dont play

twins is the exception to that tho

[ripe dragon]

i lowk read all the stuff abt it and some of it is so survivor sided and as a survivor main its too much-

[upbeat panther]

I saw a lot of survivors crying over Kaneki. I liked playing him, but it felt a bit slow, so I switched to Xenomorph.

I swear that if this update goes like this, I'll play Kaneki in 100% of my matches, tunneling and slugging with an endgame build, just so every crybaby I encounter will shed tears of what they themselves created: a meta where only 10 killers are good.

[hazy kraken]

Then devs gonna add even more anti killer shit

[ripe dragon]

bc SO many survivors would just complain complain complain. like maybe ur just bad. like im NOT good at all but i still escape and have fun 70% of the time.

i like playing against kaneki bro

"its killer sided" they all said

[hazy kraken]

Don't forget they had nothing new for "anticamping" shit

[ripe dragon]

IN A 1 V 4 GAME

[jade radish]

i cant understand, WHERE IS IT KILLER SIDED?????

[hazy kraken]

They will make survs entering 32 meter radius from hook fucking invisible for 60 seconds with 100% haste and 200% healing speed after unhooking

[ripe dragon]

and lets not forget about swfs! like advantages are already there. we dont need anti tunnel. we need anti camp and like anti t-bagging or some shit

[hazy kraken]

We need to nerf instaheals

[ripe dragon]

LITERALLY! im a survivor main. barely started playing killer and now i dont know if ill ever want to. 🙁 bc they had to make it EVEN more survivor sided. like its dumb

i just wanna have fun playing both sides man is that so hard dbd?

[robust pike]

The current game in live servers really has a hard time for killers that are off meta in any way (low tier, uncommon perks), this patch will kill any and all build and killer diversity that there is left

[ripe dragon]

i was SO excited for the new killer too. and then boom, here's all these rlly anti-killer things we're going to do bc our survivors are cry babies

[rigid garden]

I just think restricting the killer playstyle is unfair when survivor playstyle is varied still, its very dumb

[robust pike]

It’s certainly possible for off meta 100%, as it should be. But the moment this goes live, all off meta in any way for killer is going to die

[hazy kraken]

Killers not allowed to have fun. They must entertain survivors during repairing gens. Thee means they're also should be renamed into jesters

[jade radish]

killers have really interesting gameplay bro, some genrush bullshit and toxic people can ruin this impression, but believe me, sometimes its fun

slinger naaasty shots ahhhhh i love it

[hazy kraken]

Most of the time it's a fucking torture tho

[ripe dragon]

i love being huntress and just humming along and throwing my axes... the snipes

[rigid garden]

Forcing people to play a certain way when it was very obviously not designed around that mandate is very hilarious

[hazy kraken]

I was literally punished by game when morid survivor AFTER 6 hook stages

Like literally this Mori was 7th hook state by the game standard

[rigid garden]

I think the community has just blanket termed tunnel and slug as bad things you only do to be toxic instead of just being valid strategies

[hazy kraken]

And then survs getting free repairs

[rigid garden]

Just ban the people who do it instead of affecting the experience and playstyles of the people who arent doing it toxicly

[jade radish]

i know and understand your pain, but it is what it is

[ripe dragon]

and its annoying because sometimes its the only way for some people to win, and I respect that honestly. If I get slugged its my fault as a survivor dude, like you won the chase!

[jade radish]

maximum what we can do is to complain about perk nerfs

[pearl pecan]

Tunnelling means nothing

[gray night]

if anything needs to stay. The unhook notifications being gone, and unhook protections.

Really great changes

[pearl pecan]

No it isnt, why are killers getting a blindfold on their heads

[gray night]

Hugging a hook notification is just a sad way to play

[pearl pecan]

if theres no unhook notification im just gonna proxy camp

[hazy kraken]

I'd rather see this fucking update being completely cancelled. Don't even need no new killer with survivor, just take it away from me

[gray night]

then you will lose

[rigid garden]

If i spend this much money on a game I want to be able to have some degree to play how I want to play

[fleet lagoon]

unhook notif are used for proxy camping though

[pearl pecan]

No I wont lmao

[gray night]

From the sounds of it, you rely on it

so yea im pretty confident you will

[ripe dragon]

dude the unhook notification is like a vault notif idk why we're taking it away :/

[upbeat panther]

reduce it to 10 seconds again a its fair, 30 seconds its just telling the survis to tank the chase

[pearl pecan]

Nope, I only go back if I have no info after leaving the hook

[gray night]

doubtful

[pearl pecan]

then go for the unhooker

[hazy kraken]

9.2 is an April fools update

[rigid garden]

And 25% repair speed bonus is fucking OUTRAGEOUS

[gray night]

still a stale play style.

Going back to where you just hooked "because I cant find anyone" is probably more revealing on your ability to seek survivors than any game design issue

Esp when you are able to get basekit bbq

[hoary bramble]

man ppl still dont want to play into plague, 4afks

[rigid garden]

In what world should they get a free 25% boost just because of the CORE, FUNDAMENTAL gameplay loop of.....a survivor dying.

[spiral bone]

fellas, somehow a joke match of slugging in the ptb turned into a 4k. One of them bled out on zero hooks lmao

[hoary bramble]

thats a lie and you know it. basekit aura is nowhere close to basekit bbq

[gray night]

agreed it should be lessened.

The point of it was to make a 3v1 not an automatic lose

[rigid garden]

It should just be incremental for each death then

[hoary bramble]

IF it WAS basekit bbq it would have been fine

[pearl pecan]

Ragebait👎🏻

[jade radish]

of course this cooool feature survivors knowing about mmmmm they will just abuse this

[gray night]

I have 18? games in a row where I dont need an aura perk to find someone after I hook

How come you guys need it and I dont ?

[ripe dragon]

and yeh give us "tunnelling" penalties but no like show for what hook, first or second a survivor is on. People are going to kill someone before six hooks because its damn convienient!!!? I'm not going to ignore the next person I see just to be nice? LIKE WHAT?

[hazy kraken]

It's an ass from basekit bbq

[jade radish]

main feature of BBC perk is survs DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT IT

now they now that every killer have bbc

[rigid garden]

Having each death add a 5% would be better ngl
25% immediately is way too much too soon

[hoary bramble]

idc, its not basekit bbq, macro aint hard and i dont have issues finding survs. I was pointing out the false equivalence

[gray night]

Playing skull friggen merchant. The weakest killer in the game

I dont need to run back to a hook but you guys do

Explain why

[spiral bone]

literally on god

[hazy kraken]

That "base kit BBQ" is a disgrace

[rigid garden]

Also i think the anti tunnel shit mainly just artificially lengthens the game time for no good reason

[pearl pecan]

desperate for the ragebait

[hazy kraken]

It only works once at best

[gray night]

"anything that I cant do I call ragebait"

[hoary bramble]

also kinda telling how for the first time in dbd or smth every youtuber seems to hate this patch, from the big names like ortz or hens to smaller guys like gameboyben and the one tricks

[rigid garden]

If two survivors hide and I only ever see the other two, what the fuck do I do?

[pearl pecan]

They took the actual perk out back and shot it, its horrible now

[gray night]

You are misquoting otz first off

There are things he likes and dislikes about the patch

[hazy kraken]

Exactly

[ripe dragon]

LITERALLY!!! Sometimes I dont see one of the survivors for the whole game!

[spiral bone]

playing skullmerchant
Yeah and I'm Santa Clause

[gray night]

You dont beleive me need me to link you ? Sec actually

[rigid garden]

Like sure the answer is to bring perks that let me find them but if you dont in that match and the survivors play like that then you better hope you get lucky with a scooby doo chase sequence where you just bump into them

[tawny sable]

Yall keep saying these killer changes wont ruin killer and use skull merchant to prove it. But isn't she mostly unaffected by these changes due to her ability to track survivors and spread injuries? Same case with Wraith and Shape imo

[gray night]

Here you go @spiral bone 17 games in a row all wins

With SM

[tawny sable]

Also skull merchant isn't generally hard to play, especially in low MMR

[hazy kraken]

Except you can't play wraith on ptb lol

[jade radish]

this desperate attempts to ragebait ahh

[rigid garden]

locks killer behind tutorial
cant access tutorial
Brilliant way to test

[pearl pecan]

also no one knows how she works

[tawny sable]

Are you saying this literally or figuratively? Cuz he looks fine so far

[gray night]

She can only track survivors in a small window.

She has conditional tracking on the survivors end. Not mine

Youd know this if you played SM

[rigid garden]

Like sure normally there shouldnt be any new bugs to find there but in this game there probably would be

[pearl pecan]

With how bad the spaghetti code is he'll somehow get lightburn back

[hazy kraken]

Literally, just like you get anyone you bought with shards on live locked on ptb. Yet wraith is behind forever locked tutorial

[tawny sable]

I'm queued as him rn

[hazy kraken]

Impossible

Reported for unlocker

[tawny sable]

Sent in dms

[opal mirage]

cant wait for survivors being unable to abuse basekit bt bodyblocking

[upbeat panther]

ragebait

[earnest dirge]

So what is your objective opinion on the anti tunnel changes ? Everyone is complaining from what I've seen

[rigid garden]

David also btw lmao

[tawny sable]

This doesn't matter. You can still keep track of most inexperienced teams enough to know where the best target is going

[hazy kraken]

Yeah

[gray night]

You can keep track of where everyone is regardless of the killer you play if you have good enough sense

[tawny sable]

But not as easily as you can with a full map of drones

[gray night]

Yea but the survivors would have to be potato enough to run through them

[rigid garden]

Honestly for a limited time test they should just let you use all the original characters so you can, you know, help test. (At least they fixed this with giving auric cells and BP each ptb)

[tawny sable]

Even if they don't run through, seeing a deactivated drone can give you useful info

[gray night]

Didnt you guys just make the argument that basekit bbq is only allowed by idiot survivors not getting in a locker ? But then its okay for them to run into a scan line ?

[upbeat panther]

I don't know how they suggested changes like that in the first place.

There are some that seem fine: not showing the killer the hook status or notification, leaving the base unbreakable after 90 seconds of slugging.

But then you have those that punish you for killing someone even if they're bothering you with sabotage or flashlight, or that golden circle that says "Good boy, you're doing well" but turns red if you hang up on a survivor twice in a row.

Besides, what this really did was kill killers from B tier and below, because A tier killers (at least some) and S tier killers are good and even better because of the base hangup buffs.

[gray night]

A disabled drone cross map in a loop you used it in to down someone (again if you played SM at all), is not going to give you useful information.

[tawny sable]

Idk who "you guys" is referring to cuz I just got here. The conditional basekit bbq is pretty good and has given me a few free early chases so far though

[tawny sable]

If a drone is disabled in an area you know the last survivor you hooked isn't in, you know someone else has to be in the area

[gray night]

Yea? and thats a pretty big area to go mossying around in, with nothing but a disabled drone telling you that

you may as well go look at your traps cross map with trapper with that logic.

You dont do that

[tawny sable]

Better than having no tools to tell you where people are

[gray night]

Its essentially the same thing

As youre not gonna do it

[tawny sable]

Should you not? If you can't find any survivors, and see a trap get disabled across the map, it's the best lead you have

[distant jolt]

The Entity has lost its taste for suffering and now only wants survivor happiness, therefor any killer that makes survivors unhappy is punished.

[gray night]

I never "cant find survivors" as there are more pressing things to worry about

They are revealed to you and survivors have to get 5 of them done.

They are ... usually around those

If you are going into places where there are NOT gens, then idk how you are playing killler but that sounds funny

[tawny sable]

Usually, but not always. Sometimes they need to back off for healing or to activate teammate-related perks if you're pressuring gens hard enough

There's more than a few times that a deactivated skully drone told me where the survivors were collecting to heal

[gray night]

If you are pressuring gens hard enough and you cant find them.

Then you are just guessing where people are because you have free time

Thats not what anyone is talking about here

[pearl pecan]

He realized killer tears are more filling than survivor tears

[gray night]

And you cant, again, have it both ways.

Appparentely this update is so harsh on killers that pressure is always on them.

But then here I am able to start just running around to random spots not near gens to "look for survivors"

Thats just not how that works

[obtuse berry]

Killers can now do generators

[tawny sable]

Yeah, it's the push and pull of the match. You can pressure gens while still struggling to kill survivors and lose the war of attrition

[gray night]

This would be like running into CI territory, you just dont do that unless you ... really have nothing better to do. Meaning you have 0 pressure on you

[tawny sable]

4 healed survivors is infinitely more pressure than 4 injured survivors

And if they're healing, the best thing you can do is stop them since they're not doing gens anyway

[gray night]

4 healed survivors off gens and picking their noses in the bushes at killer shack, has no pressure on me

[rigid garden]

Bro why is somebody playing trickster on the ptb I want to fight the new killer

[tawny sable]

Once they're healed they're back on gens. That's what you want to stop from happening in the first place, unless you're fighting actual neanderthals

[rigid garden]

💀

[young forum]

I am playing ghoul and nurse on the ptb so survivors can get used to only playing against S tier killers

[gray night]

Luckily I never have to worry about this I guess.

I never go looking for a heal spot as there is always someone in play. Next to or around a generator. Or, crazy thought, ON the generator(s).

Which is more important than looking for a heal spot that I have 0 information on

[pearl pecan]

try their main with the changes

[tawny sable]

Might be the difference in our playstyles or perk setups honestly

[gray night]

Perks are there in the SS's same 4 really ever since I swapped to sm

Undy/Ruin/CI/Flex (usually rapid brut)

[distant jolt]

it shouldnt exist

[gray night]

or killer.

Maybe you play a high mobility killer that doesnt care about gen pressure

[hoary bramble]

we need an anime girl nurse skin for sure

[pearl pecan]

Nah for twins

[hoary bramble]

tbh a yandere/stalker themed skin for twins could be intersting lol

[pearl pecan]

and itd fix her use rate

[tawny sable]

Yeah I tend to spread more injuries over committing to a chase, your build's better for sticking to chase without losing too much ground

[robust pike]

Ya know I’ve been wanting bhvr to touch up demogorgon a little to fix the power creep but between the patch and the myers rework I’m not sure if I really do

[tawny sable]

Would yall count Unknown as a mobility killer?

[gray night]

Absolutely

[pearl pecan]

No?

[gray night]

Conditional on how you hide it/survivors allowing it though

[pearl pecan]

if unknown is sadako is, which is just ridiculous

[robust pike]

I would, you can spam click your uvx to delay the hallucination to place it in a better spot

[gray night]

Sadako has mobility though, thats not ridiculous

[tawny sable]

But yeah I go for injuries over downs, survivors I fight usually run from gens to reset or die to attrition

[robust pike]

But… but she is?

[pearl pecan]

y'all aren't serious💀

[gray night]

absolute clown take

[robust pike]

Just because she doesn’t have nurse or blight or dredge tier mobility doesn’t mean she’s not a mobility killer

[tawny sable]

Sadako's tps take a lot longer to come back tbf

[gray night]

Youll get more sadako tps than you will unknown tps

You have to go place your tp as unknown

[tawny sable]

More, but not as many high value ones

[robust pike]

True, but demos are much much slower overall (placing, walking to them, removable then you gotta replace em) but he is still generally regarded as a mobility killer (def needs some love though)

[pearl pecan]

demos a mobility killer because of his slash/lunge

[tawny sable]

Demogorgon absolutely deserves more love

[gray night]

🤦‍♂️ okay in the bin with that person

[robust pike]

Then… what are his portals? Decor?

[pearl pecan]

Teleports

[tawny sable]

At this point they might as well be

[robust pike]

Gotta be bait right? Like I’m not mad just confused

[grave crown]

Just sorta realize the DMS nerf can actually just be a buff to it if you can get shit tons of downs

[gray night]

It 100 is, just bin them

[robust pike]

Teleports don’t equal mobility LMAO that’s kinda funny actually

[gray night]

What they are thinking of is "dash killer"
not "mobility killer"

[robust pike]

honestly though with his teleport being a global sound ping and travel time (like dredge) he may as well not be a mobility killer lol

[tawny sable]

There's so many dash killers people don't know the difference between mobility and dash 💔

[pearl pecan]

those are basically the same thing

[robust pike]

Breaking news

[rigid garden]

What is stopping me from just intentionally dying on first hook to give my team a free 25% repair boost

[gray night]

Making the game 3v1 and it not mattering

[robust pike]

Bubba now teleports when using chainsaw because a dash and a teleport are basically the same

[tawny sable]

Nothing, just go straight back to gen after being unhooked

[pearl pecan]

doesnt give bonus

[tawny sable]

They both cover distance in a shorter amount of time than walking. Square vs rectangle

[robust pike]

I don’t think giving up on hook gives the bonus

[gray night]

But you cant give up, well you can with perks/offering, on first hook.

And if you do it on purpose you will get a penalty (matchmaking)

[rigid garden]

Bhvr not beating the anti-fun allegations i fear

[tawny sable]

Can we at least agree Sadako is cooked if any of these go to live?

[pearl pecan]

yes

[gray night]

They have mentioned they are working on it, so its not worth stressing over

Along with pig and big knife guy

[robust pike]

Once they fix pigs traps causing tunneling (last hook kill) penalties I’d be willing to try pig in the ptb but rn it just sounds absolutely miserable

[pearl pecan]

back in the well

[tawny sable]

Sadako found dead in the basement of Lery's Memorial Institute

[robust pike]

I figured they would be thank goodness

[tawny sable]

I hope so, if BHVR handles this well this has the potential to be one of the best updates in recent history

[robust pike]

Honestly though sadako isn’t thaaat cooked in the ptb even rn, basekit bbq is very good on her and other tp killers like dredge and springy

[tawny sable]

But if they handle it poorly the game might be cooked

[pearl pecan]

condemn is useless though

[low estuary]

if it werent for the Tunneling/slugging changes this would be one of the best PTBs we've had for a while

[rigid garden]

Ok so whats stopping me from just bodyblocking killer the entire time until he gets six hooks

[tacit atlas]

why are the survivors so fast now what the flip 💔

[robust pike]

Not really, there’s addons that give effects like blindness with building condemn stacks

[tawny sable]

Nothing, just not as efficient as going in a straight line toward the nearest gen

[pearl pecan]

No because killing activities the 25% repair speed bonus and can activate the anti regression

[tawny sable]

Isnt that kinda bad though? Imagine if dredge's teleport got nerfed so it was only useful for killer instinct or procing nightfall

[rigid garden]

Wasting their time is pretty efficient

[robust pike]

Yeah n that’s a bug, doesn’t mean she’s completely cooked

[robust pike]

Nah nah don’t get me wrong I’m not saying she’s good, just not totally unviable unlike pig

[tawny sable]

Was pig any worse? I can't remember the last time I got a head pop with reverse trap

[robust pike]

like at least you can choose to not mori (even though you should be able to), with the pig it’s outta your hands for the most part

[pearl pecan]

I meant if how shes like on the ptd goes to live

[tawny sable]

Also when is dbd adding a randomize killer option? Im too indecisive 😭

[robust pike]

It’s the ptb so I wouldn’t put it past at least one survivor intentionally popping their head to give their team a buff

[robust pike]

She’s not, they’re already working on it (same with pig and meyers and probably pyramid head)

[gray night]

Its just a numbers tweaking thing for me for all the changes.

The block and regress penalty SHOULD be there just not that harsh its a bit ridiculous.

3v1 shouldnt be an immediate loss like it is on live. A certain % or # of generators done, the system should disable.

Think the anti slug thing is just perfection really nothing wrong with it you really have to try on both killer, and ignoring your teammate on survivor to even get it to work. 90s is a long fkin time.

And the unique hook buffs. They mentioned they will be looking killer to killer so "stuff like trapper wont be left behind getting unique hook interactions"

[rigid garden]

Isn't it just 90s total?

[tawny sable]

So basically we're depending on the DBD balance team to do their job

I will take any form of reward for not tunnelling though, makes playing casually feel way better on both sides

[gray night]

I havent paid attention to see if it is or not, but it just doesnt happen

A teammate or two, hell even three will come get you before you even get to 40seconds

[rigid garden]

Ive definitely had games where ive been down a total of 90s

[gray night]

Seen one guy in the PTB so far and I am almost iri on survivor. It just does not happen

[pearl pecan]

yes, its cumulative. aka goodbye twins

[earnest dirge]

As it should be

[pearl pecan]

Fym, they're amazing

[tawny sable]

I wish the self pickup thing was disabled if the killer was within a certain distance, so people can't just get up for free while their teammates are around each corner with a flashlight

[robust pike]

This is almost my exact sentiment for it, but I think basekit tenacity off rip is a little much with added recovery speed + crawl speed, makes it so any survivor with any number of heal perks can get them up within actual seconds if you look away, otherwise the unbreakable is fine at 90 seconds

I also think the unhook being completely obscured is a little overly detrimental to a number of lower tier killers who get very little base info (think huntress, clown [not that I think he needs buffs], deathslinger), causing them to need to use a perk slot just to regain the little info they had before with things like floods or friends till the end, since bbq only works long range and for like 3 seconds (?) which generally isn’t enough time to get much info, especially if the survivors are relatively close (32m) to the hook

[earnest dirge]

The fact that's its cumulative is good, because why did I just get slugged for 90 seconds and got instantly downed again idk by Victor and have to wait 32 seconds again to pick myself up, just hook me already 🙁

[bright lichen]

Do you still get 30 seconds of haste and endurance during endgame?

[fleet lagoon]

yes, only the elusive is disabled

[bright lichen]

Oh wow that's crazy I thought it would only be 10 seconds

[earnest dirge]

Its still 10 seconds no??

[bright lichen]

Like default

[pearl pecan]

Sometimes its hard to actually get the pickup. either camping survivors on pallets/flashlight, hauling charlottes slow self across the map then dealing with campers

[robust pike]

30 unless they do a conspicuous action or get healed, in which it lingers for 3 seconds (upon healing)

[fleet lagoon]

what about after exit gates are powered (the endurance part)

[bright lichen]

Wait so if I hook in endgame and they unhook they still get 30 seconds of endurance and haste

[robust pike]

Still 30, but they only get the endurance and haste and still lasts until they do conspicuous actions (including fast vaults I believe, haven’t tested)

[earnest dirge]

90 seconds is enough time to chase them off like you're just abandoning the slugged after that much time

[gray night]

Would largely agree.

I think hiding the hook thing though is something that just needs to happen.

Dashing back to the unhook notification is just such a lame way to play. Its easy, its too high reward, is a repeatable and stale way to play.

Very cave-man "me see notification, me go there" skill expression wise. That I think is just best left in the past.

You can keep track of it with sight if you really wanna proxy camp and get a trade still nothing is stopping you. Think I did it a couple times in my matches.

[robust pike]

Also I haven’t checked but if plot twist continues the slug timer that shouldn’t exist

[pearl pecan]

With that happening multiple times in one match it can happen

[gray night]

would hope not.

Also conviction users

I had a ... failed bully conviction squad with expo and the like just immediately get back up before the wipe animation

They told me I eat glass, because I 4ked them

[earnest dirge]

Ah yes, the 3 seconds of endurance after the heal, how useful 😍

[bright lichen]

Dang 30 seconds endurance in endgame. Thats rough

[gray night]

its not in end game

it disables after gens are complete

You get basekit bt 10 seconds

[bright lichen]

Okay good

[robust pike]

True I think that it generally is a boring way to play, and I do remember it being disabled in endgame; if nothing else maybe still give the noise notification or a clear visual indicator when the 10 sec delay ends, since this has massively tripped me up as someone with really really bad eyesight

[bright lichen]

So I still get 10 seconds protection and haste just not 30

[robust pike]

Just from an accessibility standpoint anyways

[gray night]

30 seconds of protections is only when the gates arent powered (gens remaining)

10 seconds of protection (what we have in live) is what is there for endgame on the PTB

[robust pike]

I have perpetual tunnel vision bc of how my eyes are shaped so I literally cannot see the sides of my screen, the unhook obscuring cover vanish not just something I can just see out of the corner of my eye ya know

[elder grove]

At this point just cancel the PTB bruh, i think the entire community would appreciate it.
And i dont even mean "lessen" it, i mean straight up shutting it down

[bright lichen]

Good

[robust pike]

That was terrible wording, basically I can’t see the hook states generally (bc of how my vision works irl) so the lack of a noise notification is massively hindering to me as I have to constantly move basically half my vision to just see if they’re hooked still

[elder grove]

You still wouldnt be able to see it, because it only goes away after 10 secs

[fleet lagoon]

I mean they have the directions, but the numbers are very in favor towards survivor

[elder grove]

I honestly dont know who the heck these numbers are. Barely seen a single one.

[robust pike]

I’m talking about seeing the obscured part of the hook over the players icon, I’m fine with it vanishing after 10 seconds but the lack of audio notification is disproportionately hindering to me and other players who lack normal eyesight

[fleet lagoon]

the whole point of that change is so that you can and need to forget about the survivor you hooked

[pearl pecan]

Look at the 9.2.0 ptd patch notes

[robust pike]

Just forgetting about them when getting unhooked (generally) tells you where half the team is located is just silly, the point of the delay is so you know generally where they’re at, not exactly

[elder grove]

The chat channel? Cant seem to access it

[gray night]

yea unfortunately the notifcation is just something they needed to get rid of.

If it comes back then killers just run to the unhook notification. And we are back to where we were before.

The idea was taken from 2v8

[elder grove]

Yeah. Thats the problem. Its obviously ridiculous

[fleet lagoon]

nemesis walking with intimidation

[elder grove]

We have been there before and it was literally fine

[robust pike]

Yeah, but they could make the noise happen without the icon; similar to other global noise notifications like totem blessing or gates opening, and only after the delay so that good killers will know the general direction of them, but it not be worth pursuit unless they were already proxy camping

[pearl pecan]

On the bhvr fourms site

[fleet lagoon]

I think the unhook notif could stay, because we are giving 30s of elusive already

[gray night]

a visual sign yea maybe that could be something

A loud "COME HERE KILLER GET THE FREE HIT/DOWN" though is something I am glad they are moving away from

[fleet lagoon]

if it is removed, they can insta unhook with no risk

[pearl pecan]

Yeah they'll be gone be the time you're they're

unless they heal under hook which should be punishable when done poorly

[robust pike]

That way the issue of running back to the notification is gone while still allowing players like myself to have some indication without having to fully focus on another area of the screen

[fleet lagoon]

at least you have a place to go if you can't find anyone and they insta unhook

[elder grove]

It doesnt show said massive number of survivors supporting it as far as im aware

[robust pike]

I think the lack of noise is also to protect the person unhooking, not that I think unhooking should be risk free like it feels presently without just proxy camping

[elder grove]

It literally isnt tho

[pearl pecan]

Oh I thought you meant numbers as in the balance changes my bad

[elder grove]

2 - 3 survivors can pretty much garantee a reset

[fleet lagoon]

and they shouldn't be protected like that

[elder grove]

By simply unhooking

[gray night]

proxy it then with sight.

Remember where you hook people

[elder grove]

Honestly elusive and not having a hitbox is good enought

[fleet lagoon]

only the person that are hooked needed the anti tunnel

[gray night]

Its not hard to do these things

[robust pike]

I think that’s my issue, not that the unhooked survivor gets additional temporary protecting, but that unhooking feels risk free unless the killer is proxy camping; which is a very very punishable and easy to counter playstyle

[elder grove]

Right?

Elusive itself already reduces tunneling

[pearl pecan]

Honestly unhooking making a loud noise notification makes sense logically, imagine being lifted off a hook Lodged into your body, you'd yell

[robust pike]

Imma save this in my notes for when I make a forum post with everything I think abt the update, good and bad

[elder grove]

Pretty much impossible to chase someone with elusive

[robust pike]

It’s gonna be a full essay probably at this rate 😭

[gray night]

eh ...... nah

[fleet lagoon]

you are correct, the update are focused on anti tunnels, and hook trading is not part of the anti tunnel

[robust pike]

With only elusive it’s more or less just shadow step and aura hiding, not impossible just harder

[elder grove]

Yeah? No scratch marks nor sound

[pearl pecan]

Thats a lot of survivors off gens, I mainly meant 1 healer doing it every unhook

[elder grove]

Not a problem when the last hooked person can literally do gens without punishment even in the killers face

[gray night]

Ive done it a few times not because I wanted to or anything but sometimes the survivor with protections makes its way in front of you and you give them a smack

[elder grove]

What? No

[fleet lagoon]

they run 110% with no info available other than the player model

[gray night]

and then just continue chasing them. THeres only so many directions they can go

[elder grove]

They dont have hitboxes lol, you could have just bypassed them

[gray night]

I cant tell i nthe heat of the moment with several people WITH THE SAME FRIGGEN CHARAACTER on the ptb

they all play the same asain character

[elder grove]

Right? Thats also the problem

[pearl pecan]

conspicuous actions should remove anti-tunnel mark and unhook benefits

[fleet lagoon]

you're cherrypicking, on survivors that abuse the buff, not actual survivors that trying to escape your tunneling

[elder grove]

Not the poont

[buoyant vault]

I thought elusive is gone once you do any conpiscious action like doing gen or healing??

[elder grove]

Not the point??

[pearl pecan]

Literally how

[gray night]

It wont be on live, its just something that happens and I DONT KNOW if the person that was just unhooked is the one I just hit a few seconds ago, or the one with protections

[elder grove]

Cmon the obvious thing: YOU CANT HOOK THEM AGAIN

Until 6 dam hookstates

You could slug except they to back up every 30 secs

[buoyant vault]

Yeah which is why i think the punishment should be remove

[pearl pecan]

I meant all the anti tunneling

[buoyant vault]

Punish survivor who try to do things like that

[pearl pecan]

anti tunnel should only stop hard tunneling

[gray night]

eh you can phase through them

its just you gotta pay a lil more attention. I just didnt know in that moment is all

[elder grove]

Agreed, but currently thats not the case

[buoyant vault]

Like they are protect like endurance for xxsec and gone once you are being heal or do gens or other actions

Like you get off and do gen it gone

[elder grove]

Honestly i was about to spend more money on some new killers

[buoyant vault]

Then reward killer who do elusive hook

[elder grove]

But im afraid killer might be very bad if this PTB airs like this

[pearl pecan]

Same I was considering buying pig, happy I didnt

[buoyant vault]

Like they can choose to do tunneling but wont get much benifit then unique hook

[gray night]

you shouldnt fear this. You are still very far ahead of most survivors if you have any decent play on a killer main

regardless of changes.

[winged kraken]

chat i realized this a bit ago

[elder grove]

If you play the best

But with mid-low killers

[winged kraken]

the basekit bbq&c incentivizes tunneling to get the most use out of it??

[elder grove]

Yes

In a way

[buoyant vault]

Actually i think they want you to go after other survivor that the aim??

[winged kraken]

"ok we're gonna give you a cool thing for basekit but if you use it too well no more regression"

[elder grove]

But it only works with survivors with "equal or less" hookstates

So you might as well hook people with more hookstates

[winged kraken]

so you get more aura reads when tunneling lmao

[buoyant vault]

Actually cant really have a good way to prevent tunneling

[gray night]

I main SM and almost only exclusively play her youll be fine

[winged kraken]

patient needs tunneling to live

[fleet lagoon]

they need to nerf the kill before 6 hook thing to 4

[elder grove]

I main legion

[buoyant vault]

Or make gen progression faster with lesser survivor

[elder grove]

poor legion my boy was butchered

[buoyant vault]

Like lesser survivor gen progress faster

[hoary bramble]

also not sure if its bug but you lose your haste if you kick pallet after hooking

[buoyant vault]

When survivor fix gen

[pearl pecan]

Probably gives it as a form off bloodlust

[buoyant vault]

2 increase by 15%

[fleet lagoon]

why

[buoyant vault]

Cause you have lesser team mate??

[elder grove]

I think it goes the same way as a survivor's "conspicuous actions"

[hoary bramble]

also reminder most killers rn are underperforming

[pearl pecan]

Yeah, and they could increase the punishments too

[hoary bramble]

with sub 55% kill rate

[elder grove]

Its already like that tho

thats literally a thing in the PTB

[fleet lagoon]

tunnel prevention already prevent that

[pearl pecan]

All are according to nightlight

idk how accurate that is though

[elder grove]

Yeah but faster gen prog is a thing if you kill them soon

[hoary bramble]

which is the only stats website we have since BHVR wont release theirs, which i am not sure they can read

[fleet lagoon]

i'm sure you're smart enough to figure that out yourself.

[buoyant vault]

That makes it no incentive to kick a survivor out fast too

[elder grove]

Infact that DESTROYS sadako, kinda unplayable now

[hoary bramble]

judging from the PTB

[buoyant vault]

Lesser the remaining survivor fix faster

[hoary bramble]

not sure how hard reading game statistics are

[pearl pecan]

im assuming not good

[hoary bramble]

but bhvr clearly cant do it

[buoyant vault]

I see

[hoary bramble]

if LOL players can read WR sample size and ELO and deduce what it means, how can BHVR fail this badly

[elder grove]

Behaviour doesnt have much game statistics at all

thats the problem, like, even pickrates and kill rates, thats confirmed to be only 5% top MMR

Many decisions they take over it kinda suck

[pearl pecan]

So they just change stuff based on the feels?

[elder grove]

They change based on what they think justify the outcome of the best players

not how regular matches go with the regular playerbase

Thats why pig and hag for example were nerfed so much

[fleet lagoon]

I get that you want gens faster when someone got tunneled out very quick (ex. 3 gens left) but now killers are highly decentivized to kill before 6th hook which by the time should be 1 gen left

[celest hare]

Nah idc what people are saying
https://youtu.be/Z8JhUmS3rGo?si=LUxjtfvpowqsdsZA
There needs to be some cosmetic improvements (animations and sounds) and small number buffs but this rework is so much better than old Myers, and I feel like realistically all they could've done? All the other suggestions I've seen are shit. The toggling between modes is cool, the basekit mori is cool, the faster speed while stalking is cool, the scratched mirror buff is cool. Could they maybe bring back stalking at a distance being stronger or something?

Also old Myers has an increased lunge in T3 no? This feels a lot like old Myers just so much better and more fun on the survivor end as well

[celest hare]

Maybe big number buffs idfk but this has gotta be so much better than old Myers lmao

[buoyant vault]

Which is what i am thinking punishment should be remove and this promoted instead

It try to deter killer from doing tunneling

Lesser survivor = remaining gen complete faster

[celest hare]

To be totally honest I hate old Myers. Literally what is there to like? On the killer end he's weak and clunky and on the survivor end you're exposed half the match or he has tombstone and there is NOTHING fun about that lmfao

[buoyant vault]

So.you try to spread out

You can choose to tunnel still it your choice

[fleet lagoon]

does not make sense

killer players are also playing for a win

[gray night]

Yea this is what I was talking about.

Meyers update seems very polarizing.

There are people voicing how much they love the changes, and then there are people who are livid with it

[pearl pecan]

Im not gonna lie new myres seems so much more fun

[celest hare]

I really don't get it, like old Myers might've been a little more faithful but it flat out fucking stank

Plus they could just reimplement the distance based stalking speed thing

I also love him being like the ultimate M1 killer lmao, like his power is very M1-y but he's stronger with a lot of parts? Can't explain that better lol. Old Myers was basically that but new Myers seems to lean into that

[buoyant vault]

Just increase abit of the speed which gradually increase with lesser survivor last two no increase let say 2% to max 6%??

[gray night]

Hens flat out was like "nah this is so shit this feels so bad" constantly.

He didnt seem to like it much.

I tried it a bit and I agree somewhat. It just feels like you have an anchor attached to you

[celest hare]

Yeah I feel like number changes would improve that, I was surprised how much he hates it lmao

I haven't tried him but I'm still pretty confident this is a good rework, just needs some changes. Like it's also still in the ptb so people hating on him like he won't receive any changes are...

[gray night]

could be like you said, just a small tweak to maybe some movement, turn radius, lunge range... something just a little push could maybe make it chefs kiss

[fleet lagoon]

the issue of your solution is that, numbers too small won't make a difference, numbers too high are gonna turn a 4k into 2k

[celest hare]

I played against one and somehow juked like a million slaughtering strikes in a row it was so fucking funny. I didn't juke a single one after that chase though LMAO

[celest hare]

^ 100% agree, like this is the first public iteration of it I'm pretty confident it'll be good by release

[lofty glen]

i just realized krasue's wipe animation is so cool

[celest hare]

Him tposing for half of the strikes also made it so much funnier

[celest hare]

Her animations are phenomenal I wish more killers were like her

[gray night]

bro his animations lmfao

[celest hare]

Yeah 😭 definitely needs work

[fleet lagoon]

I think the swing is cool, but the wipe is slacking

[celest hare]

And the match I played against him I swear the sounds I heard sounded so poorly implemented and low quality like they were placeholders but now from videos and other matches after that one I played it's like I was hallucinating? Lmao

[fleet lagoon]

maybe swing the blade a little bit

[gray night]

seems to be like the same issue I have with the new killer.

THe head mode seems ... just a LITTLE lacking

Small little umph and cleaning up on the hit box would be perfect

[celest hare]

Its animations?

[gray night]

Well like completely dead pallets in head mode, you can just play around easy with her

[celest hare]

I was kind of focused on the other parts like the human and then the transformation

[gray night]

Like the pallet in the office on RPD to the right of the god stair pallet

[celest hare]

The transformation is actually insane I love how you can move freely during it it's so damn smooth and cool looking

And does her body have like physics when it's detached and falls to the ground? It looks like it falls directionally

[fleet lagoon]

I think the head back to body mode animation is too slow

[celest hare]

^ I saw that too I believe it'll get buffed

[fleet lagoon]

if you switch back to body mode mid chase you auto lose

[lofty glen]

just figured out you can indeed curve you lunge on krasue but only by like 60-90 degrees
i thought it was just a straght line

[celest hare]

I think I knew that, so like around corners if the survivor is close to the corner right? That's how it felt

[fleet lagoon]

yet the gimmick is use head mode to patrol then body mode to inflict leeched

[gray night]

Its actually crazy how smooth the change is though

[celest hare]

I know I saw it and it actually felt almost nothing like dbd lmao

[lofty glen]

yup if theyre around a corner or smth you can get them

[gray night]

Its like how Knight should look when he puts a guard out, instead of the wierd teleport forward crap nonsense he does

[lofty glen]

bro its so peak

[celest hare]

Yeah, I heard the lunge feels off and like when it actually injures but I'm excited for them to fix allat because this killer is so so cool

[celest hare]

Yeah he's so buggy looking when he spawns a guard

[gray night]

its so nasty to look at lol

[celest hare]

What do you think of huntress I think it's putting her hatchet away

It's so janky looking lmao there's no smooth transition

Was it putting it away or cancelling a throw...

[gray night]

Better than deathslinger not even raising his gun and shooting at the ground but forward at you lol

[celest hare]

Also tbagging should look like it did I think in old dbd? Or in a ptb when they were doing the new animations. Shit looks so goofy

[celest hare]

Isn't that fixed but it's still present because of a glitch affecting all killers? I think I heard

[gray night]

idk last time I saw him he did it. But dont see him that often lol

[celest hare]

It's just a linear transition I think between upright and crouching and it's so fast, looks so dumb

[gray night]

scared the crap outta me

[celest hare]

Me too the first time lolll

Why don't people find deathslinger fun to go against? Feels like I'm not in dbd lol

It's super fun to dodge and stuff

He has to be one of the most fun to go against ranged killers

Imo anyway 💔

[gray night]

Might be just a range killer thing

People really hate trickster cause of it. You really just run out of meaningful counterplay

[fleet lagoon]

if you mean lately, because he had a visual bug of not showing ADS to survivors

[celest hare]

Maybe I got confused and that's it but I thought it was just in general

Probably just that bug yeah

[celest hare]

Trickster's probably the most boring ranged killer to go against right

[paper dock]

I'd say so, not much to do other than break line of sight, not much for trickster to do other than try to keep you in sight and keep throwing

[fleet lagoon]

he is also one of the best proxy camping killers

[lofty glen]

ive heard he was one of the 3 gen kings

wait we talking bout trickster thought it was knight

trickster aint no king of nothing

[celest hare]

😂

I meant to turn ping off 💔💔💔

[lofty glen]

i used to do that but then i joined a massive, chaotic and stupid server

and then i lost my manners 😔

guys i cant remember, does the krasue have a liver?

what about a pancreas

i think she has the whole diggestive system

[fluid fern]

Slinger and Huntress are still bugged, yes

[fluid fern]

king of hook camping

he's better at it than bubba because he can still injure you from a distance

[quasi thistle]

When should expect (if ever) for BHVR to react to the feedback?

[fluid fern]

on the 23rd

[weary jackal]

yo new judith's tombstone is pretty nasty with friends + furtive chase on myers

what have people been using for gen regression on low mobility killers this ptb pain res + grim embrace doesnt feel like enough

[fleet lagoon]

snowball gaming

[weary jackal]

yessir

[quasi thistle]

Doesn't PTB end then? What about testing any nerfs or changes to the busted system rn

[weary jackal]

ptb only runs for a couple days usually

[fleet lagoon]

PTB is the testing

[ripe bison]

Idk how other people feel but in my experience slingers are either really bad and tbag a lot, or are actual mains whom can be terrifying to play against.

[fleet lagoon]

tell me how slinger can tbag i want to do it

imagine we have emote buttons as killer

[celest hare]

😭 I think they meant get tbagged lol

Ghostface: be weak AF but gain the ability to tbag: the killer 💀

Can the krasue infect survivors on hook like how the plague can?

[hollow eagle]

playing around the anti tunneling mechanics is impossible

[celest hare]

Or in the dying state too right

[celest hare]

I mean it's not impossible, and you don't need to be an s tier killer to win in the ptb, but yeah it needs changes lmao

[native aspen]

no

i tested that

[celest hare]

I thought not but good to know

Yeah didn't see anything about it 😔 and not dying survivors either? Plague can do that right

I like that plague can basically infect ANYTHING in the trial, literally anything right?

Wonder if she can infect hooks. Probably pointless but would be cool because then it's truly everything lol, and hooked survivors that weren't infected would behave like as if she vomited on them directly after hooking them

I think anyway

[fleet lagoon]

anything interactable yeah

what would infecting hooks do? prevent early sabo squads?

[cyan imp]

Ok I tested it. If the hard tunnel condition is met, and the player dies before the hook limit, then Ruin stops working entirely.

[celest hare]

OH AND THAT I completely overlooked that. Nah she should be able to infect hooks it'd be cool even if not super strong or necessary? Lol

[cyan imp]

What do people think about this idea: after the unique hooking, the killer player gets to see a gen highlighted with the most progress.

[fleet lagoon]

you mean jagged compass

[sterile matrix]

Hello i watched videos of youtubers but still dont get the anti tunnel thingie. What if all players are Megs. Will I be able to tell if im tunneling…?

[cyan imp]

but added to the killer player incentive base kit

[weary jackal]

unique hook incentives need to be things that the entire killer roster can take advantage of

[cyan imp]

yes

[sterile matrix]

Because the icon of hooked survivor disappears…so what do i do

[weary jackal]

legit just change the basekit pop to basekit pain res

[fleet lagoon]

you can see who you are chasing with the spider legs

[cyan imp]

it comes back, 10 seconds after unhook

[sterile matrix]

Why make it a hassle to check -_-

[cyan imp]

yes, this. and you see hook counts

[sterile matrix]

Hope they add like some aura of sorts to know that im chasing a survivor i just hooked

[cyan imp]

who says it's a hassle? Have you seen it in PTB? The UI is very nice.

[sterile matrix]

Its not clear. Can u recommend some youtubers thaat explain it through ptb

[fleet lagoon]

the survivor you just hooked will have a black circle around their hook stage

[sterile matrix]

Ohhhhhh so thats why theres black circle! Ok thx

Nvm then…its not rly a nerf to killer

Thought its like “track which survivor u hooked or else suffer”

[fleet lagoon]

people already does that

[sterile matrix]

Ye but now the name disapppear. I think they should have made it disappear and shuffle lol

[fleet lagoon]

you said "what if they are all 4 megs" which means if they are 4 unique survivors you will and can track

[sterile matrix]

Name disappears even after unhook?

[cyan imp]

It reappears 10 seconds after unhook, and the killer will be able to see it again

[sterile matrix]

Ahhh ok

So I will be able to know nvm then. The way they explain it in patch notes is…

[cyan imp]

so you'll know the survivor is back in the game, but it's to hide timing a little

[cyan imp]

I get you

[sterile matrix]

Well as a killer main at least I know when I play survivor I (hopefully) won’t get tunneled as much as before

[cyan imp]

hopefully, me too

[sterile matrix]

And if I do the mf will get punished severely

[tidal skiff]

Will it ever be in the future to where people on console can go to the ptb

[sterile matrix]

As a PS5 player they would need to release a whole game

Like a seperate download for the game (they dont wanna invest so no)

[tidal skiff]

Ok makes sense thank you

[tawny sable]

Im like 99% sure No Way Out is disabled for the rest of the trial if you trigger the anti-tunnel, has anyone else seen this happen?

[sterile matrix]

Lol anti-tunnel can disable perks as well?

Pretty good patch notes explanation

[cyan imp]

yes, I have tested it on Ruin, but cannot say about no way out

[sterile matrix]

Oh wow the gen regression disable applies to ALL gen regressing perks?

[cyan imp]

yes

[sterile matrix]

Hmmm i guess if 2 survivors remaining ruin is useless anyway

[cyan imp]

Yeah, then ruin will have helped apply pressure in that instance.

[sterile matrix]

Ye…I guess I need to actually play the game to know more

[cyan imp]

It's worth testing on the ptb. It's very fun.

[sterile matrix]

No PC

[fluid fern]

No way out isnt a gen perk

[sterile matrix]

Justice for console players!!

[fluid fern]

its a door perk. its completely unrelated

[cyan imp]

Oh right. Sorry about that.

[sterile matrix]

Survivor-sided game

I think gotta disable NOED as well if killer triggers anti tunnel

All end game perks must be disabled