ptb-discussion

[gray night]

That’s already true

Has been for ….

Since I started playing at least

[dense geyser]

thought I might as well have some fun in the PTB, using the new perks for a constant exposed kaneki build

[paper knot]

We switching from easy Mode to Tutorial Mode for survs

[fluid fern]

you want to take off the training wheels, go into a custom with bots and tunnel them off the hook

[runic mica]

you know what, this aint fully a bad way to look at it. a lot of yall that think tunneling is your only option to win because you dont know how to without doing it, use end game perks. use noed. use whatever. I'm all for it. its training wheels. one day youre gonna get good and be like "i dont need these end game perks no more when no one can do more than 2 or 3 gens anyways." thats what makes you better. so do it. use end game perks. i'm all for it

[paper dock]

sounds fun, howd it feel?

[gritty oar]

ive always thought of a full rework but knowing how long ts would take, the time, effort, money, and lastly the community in arms it wouldnt be the best

[ruby dove]

Then they just dunpster nerf blight and nurse because BHVR has the foresight of a person running into incoming traffic

[paper dock]

they exist for a reason! :p

[plucky grail]

honestly I might just start running "The bell doesn't dismiss you I DO" perks at this point...

[raven flume]

Use coffee

[dense geyser]

I rarely even mark survivors cause they're dead in one swing, and you can usually get 1-2 free kills after your 4th hook thanks to the new perk

[gritty oar]

at MOST, rework killers that people who GENUINELY play the killer and the game state are weak same with perks

[dense geyser]

over centipede? alr bet

[weary jackal]

like @gray night said, that's already true as the power imbalance is horrid

that being said you are right in the sense that we will see way, WAY more S tier picks in pubs as mid to low tiers are literally unviable overnight if this patch goes through

[raven flume]

NOO YAMORI

[paper dock]

Kaneki's speed makes him a great fit for this strat, makes a lot of sense

[paper knot]

It has a reason why u can turn Off this in custom games. Good Players dont need this but as always they change everything for the noobs in the game

[raven flume]

You have basekit bbq kaneki no longer needs yamori

[dense geyser]

why over yamori? its been nice having BBQ without the weird hook guessing

[dense geyser]

alr I'll give it a shot no mask

[paper knot]

Its a reason why killer is easier early on than survivor if you start playing

[paper dock]

refinement time 🔥

[raven flume]

There is black mark besides survivor icon its the last survivor you hooked, dont hook him and you will get the bbq

[gray night]

I’ll still be playing my main ( SM) regardless

If the swarm wants to only play the strong tierrr killers

Well again that’s already a reality when I get in survivor

[dense geyser]

if not kaneki I'd prob say dredge or wraith for this build, very fun and doesn't need tunneling slugging cause downs happen so quickly

[plucky grail]

what's funny is I didnt know that Ghostface's stalk gave Exposed until 2 v8.... and it also works for the other killer on your team

[gritty oar]

Should matchmaking get a rework btw do yall think?

[runic mica]

a lot of ogs started off with end game perks cause infinites and no exhaustion status was bullshit. you only got to see the end game cause you couldnt catch no one until then or until you got good. im not even mad about end game perks.

[gritty oar]

brother what.

[humble kindle]

The Cobra Effect refers to a situation where an attempted solution to a problem inadvertently makes the problem worse. It originated from a British colonial policy in India that offered bounties for dead cobras, leading people to breed the snakes for profit instead of reducing their population.

[plucky grail]

Yeah. if I stalk a healthy survivor and the other killer hits them they still go down

[weary jackal]

I will keep trying to play Myers which will be better now with the rework but yeah I really do think anything other than Nurse, Blight, Ghoul, etc will be miserable to play as if this goes live as is

[paper dock]

no I know, I was agreeing with you haha. if people wanna use em and then tunnel and eat the downsides, thats a valid strategy. will it be "better"? that remains to be seen

[dense geyser]

ohh ik about that, I mean more in general the BBQ only shows survivors with less hook states than the hooked survivor, it can be a bit awkward

[gritty oar]

just now you realized it gave exposed? not like in a mean way im just surprised he came out in 2019

[snow tusk]

Does Sadako and Pig still suffer from this update?

[weary jackal]

Unfortunately yes

[gritty oar]

yeah..

[paper knot]

Ofc

[plucky grail]

yeah, I only started really playing him like this past week

[weary jackal]

Let's hope they fix it before live

[paper knot]

Dont use ur traps

[humble kindle]

if the pig isnt drussnbubba yes

[raven flume]

Matchmaking would work as intended if there wasnt modifier every week and both sides were a little bit balanced.

[weary jackal]

I picked up Sadako a couple months back and it sucks that she is literally unplayable now

[gritty oar]

i think do use your traps, dont build around em tho

[crystal perch]

wait, with Road Life, if you heal someone fully (without interrupting or stopping) you still lose the speed anyway?

[ripe bison]

The lunge attack on Myers feels so shitty and pointless

[humble kindle]

yes

[paper knot]

Haha

[gritty oar]

like make em road blocks not actual kill confirms

[dense geyser]

oh boy I can't wait to play with exposed for half the match :D (I'm the killer)

[paper dock]

I wouldnt go that far, but this def does hurt her sadly. I think exceptions should be made for mori's or stuff like the pig head trap, at least mini mori's

[ripe bison]

Ita like a Demo attack but bad

[crystal perch]

thats so bad.. is Road Life stackable at least?

[weary jackal]

They need to make it feel better and not clunky but he needed something of a chase power

[gray night]

Probably not nurse if it’s a crowd looking for an easy time

Others maybe sure

Again won’t effect me on survivor as that already happens

[plucky grail]

but yeah I thought it was hilarous that I could Mark a survivor in 2 v 8 to give my partner and easy down. love that

[gritty oar]

i think myers didnt need that rework imma be honest, hes annoying as fuck but not that annoying

[ripe bison]

Id rather them not use it entirely and just make the hair addon the effect by default

[raven flume]

Any killer mains planing to switch survivor?

[paper dock]

main difference is you can navigate corners and whatnot whereas demo is a straight attack, I think its substantially stronger than demo shred

[fickle crane]

Does anyone know what it means when the Krasue's heart glows red?

[humble kindle]

traps arent made to kill, they are made to make sure survivors arent doing gens

you are chasing 1 person
you have 1 person on hook
1 person is going for an unhook => 1 person going to a gen and 1 person doing boxes

you are left with 1 person doing gens during your chase with the 2nd survivor

[dense geyser]

they're in flight mode

[weary jackal]

I would absolutely go that far Sadako plays primarily for condemned and not hooks. Reaching 6 hooks before killing someone almost never happens. Typically it's 1st person condemned at like 2 gens left with like 3/4 hooks.

[gray night]

Has nothing to do with the ptb

That you don’t interact with either

[paper knot]

In theory yes xD

[wooden knot]

Gets more insane when you have a dash killer as your partner

[gritty oar]

yeah and thats a solid play since your stalling for time, but idk why people think shes dead now due to the ptb

[grand rampart]

good lord, these survivors are incredibly sweaty compared to live servers. Feels like every match is against SWF

[plucky grail]

Ghostie and Wesker is devious

[fickle crane]

I've been feeling the opposite. PTB survivors feel much more scattered

[dense geyser]

I mean, on average steam players are better so it is a little more difficult

[dense geyser]

might be a case of trying to bait out the anti-camp

[raven flume]

Why ptb survivors refusing the play against anything that is not krasue or myers?

[plucky grail]

mans still talking to me like I can see his cope lol

[cyan ember]

for me it is every match against a swf and then they get salty for killing 2 of them even after this update

[humble kindle]

pighead relies on tunneling, and better pig players than me have said this (ie drussnbubba)

[wooden knot]

I played with a ghostface as Wekser and it was so easy to basically insta down people i felt bad snd let one of the steves free

[paper dock]

I think her current playstyle, as you described, is killed by this, and shes def weaker. playing her as a hit and run killer with the threat of condemned wasting survivor time sounds doable to me, as the survivors still have to respect condemned and clear it, or youll get your 6 hooks and theyll all be condemnable or close (provided you havent lost yet )

[gritty oar]

I think the rating goes, 1.Steam 2.Epic 3.xbox 4.ps 5.nintendo switch

[grand rampart]

I just keep getting flash light bully squads that I had to run the immunity perk each time

[paper dock]

theyre hear for the new shit, thats all

[snow tusk]

They have no interest in something that isn’t new

[gray night]

Que time was horrendous on killer

Had 6 SM matches and dom fested all of them (in my messages)

Nothing really new to report I guess the haste buff is nice

So is the bbq they are handy for sure

[gritty oar]

No she dont.

[plucky grail]

I played one like that too it was so fun for me

[snow tusk]

Otherwise they’ll play the normal game

[ripe bison]

You can also use it to tunnel people and effectively pick them off

[gritty oar]

I fuckin use her traps as a time waster and never tunnel with her

[plucky grail]

AYEEE I GOT REDDDDD

[paper dock]

yeah thats a take from them lol

[raven flume]

I mean im trying to figure out how effected dredge is and they instantly gave up💔

[ripe bison]

Thats how theyre intended to be used

[celest hare]

Xbox first lmfao

[paper dock]

sadge 😔

[wooden knot]

But as a survivor going against that gave me a whole different challenge when it came to looping

[humble kindle]

end game 1v3 or even better 1v2 is always better than end game 1v4

[snow tusk]

They’re not interested I’m sorry pal

[gritty oar]

no way bro, i played on xbox for so long some of these mfs could count as cannon fodder

[plucky grail]

I also just like being a silly guy with Ghostie sometimes honestly

[celest hare]

Those AA battery operated controller players sure are amazing

[raven flume]

Wonder if i play kaneki..maybe 4 dc🙂‍↕️

[paper dock]

LOL

[celest hare]

I meant first for consoles, and I meant it shouldn't be

[weary jackal]

I don't know about you but if I enjoyed playing a killer a certain way that isn't detrimental to the health of the game (condemned isn't) then I would be upset if changes were made that made that playstyle no longer viable and instead forced me to play in a much weaker way.

They don't really have to respect condemned either. As long as they get a couple gens done, who cares if someone goes down? 25% repair speed bonus is insane with 1 or 2 gens left.

[runic mica]

this is the way. traps is for free pressure. not for killing. people playing pig wrong all the time. also her dash isnt for chasing people with. its for sitting under a pallet and getting a free hit and for mind gaming. wish people would play pig properly. real big pet peeve of mine

[celest hare]

Kaneki in ptb = everyone will dc. Cry about it

[humble kindle]

crouch at pallet = vibe check

[gritty oar]

ahh sorry mb, nah have you seen a ps player they look lost af and DONT get me started on switch players they fuckin blow up gens better than some people blow

[plucky grail]

man I feel like thats Kaneki period at this point people treat him like he has the pox

[snow tusk]

Ok but tbf…..
Survivors should get a gun if they’re facing a kaneki, ngl
They’re menaces to society/jk

[gritty oar]

usually i use her iri that shows ppl when crouched and it makes it easier to track helmets since there only 2

[paper dock]

Im with you, its not a good change for her, as I said before, it should be adjusted so mini moris and pig traps dont trigger these effects imo. Im just saying I dont think the killer is dead in the water, shes just weaker and sadako players will need to adapt if it goes live as is in regards to her

[plucky grail]

I dont think shooting Kaneki worked....

[snow tusk]

Hey… let the people watch the anime on their own

[raven flume]

If you're refusing to learn counterplay, yeah they are menaces

[wooden knot]

I like going against him, you can unintentionally shoot him across the map if you turn

[gritty oar]

shes a m1 killer through the entire game, shes only a stratagy killer if your intend on bringing traps but that doesnt work anymore since her traps stop in chase

[weary jackal]

She's already like bottom 10 man there's not much to adapt to here. If changes go live Sadako will be far from the only killer killed overnight.

[paper dock]

I hate em too when I play survivor brother, hes just not terribly fun to go up against even if you know the counterplay 😔

[snow tusk]

Nah the stereotype of them low key having the equivalent of rabies energy is just

[plucky grail]

ooooh.... I thought you meant survivors should try to shoot bullets at him or something lol

[runic mica]

amandas letter? i like the video tape and rule set 2 combo. theres few other add on combos i like with her. double stacked gears and a video tape and the add on that lets me see auras of people with hats working on gens. cant think of the name of it.

[paper dock]

but not every killer will be fun to play against, I dont think thats possible

[humble kindle]

i said earlier that you should tie the gen speeds/block penalties to the strong killers than basegame mechanics

you are punishing trapper sadako and pig a lot more than you are punishing nurse or blight by blocking genereators for hard tunneling someone out, nurse and blight can just eat the penalties and move on

[heady orchid]

no just bc the killer is a whiny little bitch and his sounds are gross i just want to sock him in the jaw ngl

[paper dock]

there will always be a best killer or set of killers that people hate seeing haha

[gritty oar]

so only builds exist and those often dont even work anyways like the scream build for pig it works but its also such a struggle (this is a continuation from my text earlier) but imma see which ones i use it should be a iri and a blue that improves my lion lunge

[raven flume]

Well he is constantly in pain soo thats pretty normal

[wooden knot]

I accidentally discovered some maps you can trick kanekis into flinging themselves acrossed the map and it gets better with maps that have that little hill

[upper gulch]

What killer has a high skill ceiling but is rewarding in the end?

[surreal gust]

Anyone else using controller for this PTB having the same problem of not being able to rotate during their lunge attack like Krause and Myers?

[raven flume]

Kaneki and wesker probably

[gritty oar]

next ptb we need a gun so we can kill the killer ngl. Thoughts yall?

[heady orchid]

hes the killer he should grow up. survivors with no mither are constantly in pain but they get over it easily

[snow tusk]

Honestly make a gamemode where the survivors have guns & can kill the killer but they all have one death state

[plucky grail]

youd be screaming in agony too if sentient flesh ribbons kept exploding out of your back without your permission too lol those things be busting out like an annoying family member coming to thanksgiving drunk

[heady orchid]

not survivor sided enough we need a mini gun

[paper dock]

I can see them doing a more exaggerated version of what they did in this PTB with the buffs being smaller for those high tier killers, or the buffs being stronger for the low tiers. its all a matter of tweaking the numbers, but I do worry about how much that would be used to balance the killers instead of just "fixing" the weaker and stronger killers to make them closer to the middle

[wooden knot]

Wekser with phantom fear btw is insane with welser higher terre radius

[ripe bison]

Did you mean skill floor?

[heady orchid]

this happened to my buddy eric once and he literally didnt do any of that

[runic mica]

pig is my main and i'm pretty nasty with her. i do enjoy many other killers though.

[gritty oar]

4v1 where survivors have to find the killer and the killer have to hex/clense 5 totems like gens

[humble kindle]

rule set #2 and amanda's secret if i recall are her strongest addons

[plucky grail]

it was a joke... maybe I should have said like the fbi open up meme

[raven flume]

I think he asked which killer reward you for being good at it

[snow tusk]

💀

[gritty oar]

april fools date update?

[wooden knot]

Hes also in canonical being starved by the entity so his in constant starvation pained insanity

[ripe bison]

...every killer does besides Doctor

[raven flume]

Not the every killer after 9.2.0

[paper dock]

I think the most rewarding is probably Nurse in the current (non PTB) game? the best nurses are nearly unbeatable, she just doesnt follow most of the rules of the game

[runic mica]

maybe for mid game. she needs a strong early game to make it through mid. the more time you can make people wasting time looking for boxes at the start the better.

[heady orchid]

do you believe i wasnt joking either about a guy called eric sprouting tentacles 😭 😭 😭 😭 🙏

[ripe bison]

True

[plucky grail]

true, the blood in the fog doesn't actually feed him it just puts him into a blind rage

[humble kindle]

no amount of number tweaking will help

even if nurse/blight get 0 benefits for hooking they will still be strong

[plucky grail]

I thought you were talking about the drunk family member not the tentacles

[ripe bison]

I thought it was an l4d joke lol

[gritty oar]

yeah amandas and last will

[wooden knot]

They should've made it so he doesnt scream over and over.

[gritty oar]

thats the ones i use

[raven flume]

I think its artist. Good artists are the scarist shit..

[plucky grail]

YES THANK YOU

like homie we get it you are in pain please shhh

[ripe bison]

Hes always doing that regardless. He just does it more.

[paper dock]

say, for example, Trapper got 50% haste for 30 seconds and fully regressed every gen he kicked with the unique hook buff... that would probably make him quite a bit better than nurse, Id say. those numbers are ridiculous on purpose, but you take my point, there is a set of numbers that evens things out

[wooden knot]

Like is ahh the only thing you can say

[ripe bison]

Slingers too

[plucky grail]

you would think that he would.... like have some pain tollerance?? eventually???

[ripe bison]

Slinger mains shooting yoy through an obscure hole in a wall mid loop

[paper dock]

artist is definitely a very high skill ceiling killer. huntress and deathslinger also come to mind

[wooden knot]

Also anyone who plays springtrap and or huntress like to yell yeet for no apparent reason when they throw the axe or hatchet

[gritty oar]

pixel peakin as slinger is crzy

[raven flume]

Oh man..you wouldn't wanna know

[humble kindle]

i get what you are saying, trapper with 50% haste would be closer to current clown shenanigans, but good nurses still just straight up ignore pallets and windows and end chases in second s

[dense geyser]

ayy another 4k but no rage quits this team we love to see it

[gritty oar]

weather boy

[paper dock]

yeah Nurse is bad for the game, you arent gonna hear me disagree with you on that, no doubt 💀

[ripe bison]

Even decent Nurses ignore pallets. Her power just innately does that.

[plucky grail]

dont most ppl irl like if they experience the same pain enough times they can just tune it out for the most part? Tattoos and stuff come to mind but like I swear thats a thing??

[humble kindle]

until they change nurse and blight, every change made to the game will need to be made with nurse and blight in mind, because currently as i said multiple times before, will just end up running end game perks and ignore the tunnelling penalties entirely

[raven flume]

This isnt like this. He literally has living centipede in his brain, moving and eating his brain.

[celest hare]

No, they're just the most boring killer to go against

[plucky grail]

oooooh.... I thought that thing died when he transformed

[gritty oar]

well i would say there would be tollerance but then again killers get flashed and palleted non stop and survivors get hooked and stabbed often so i dont think they would remeber the pain and or trials they go through, i think its a "new game new rules new you" type shit

[raven flume]

He tooks it out after a while

[plucky grail]

man I need to rewatch sometime lol

[raven flume]

This why you cant improve in game btw

[paper dock]

iirc, survivors forget everything after every death in lore. could be wrong though

[wooden knot]

As someone with tattoos and family with alot sometimes its more soothing then painful

[dense geyser]

wait... they nerfed leverage? when??

[raven flume]

DONT watch, read please

[paper dock]

you can improve and be good at their counterplay and still find em boring/unfun, lets be fair here :p

[celest hare]

Finding a killer boring doesn't mean anything like that but ok

[gritty oar]

like its proven they dont remember bc that one survivor who tats/scars his body with knowledge

[paper dock]

I need to try reading it all again, its been over a decade for me

[celest hare]

Lmfao ^

[plucky grail]

no no like I watched the anime a whiiiiile ago, but I think maybe I dont remember parts of it now...

[raven flume]

You said no

[plucky grail]

but yes I will go read his lore again sometime too

[raven flume]

What no? No to learn how to play against?

[gritty oar]

i think we can all agree from the ptb, that skull merchant and franklens needs a nerf

[wooden knot]

Each person has there fav killer or survivor, and everyone has there hated

[celest hare]

No to why I find Kaneki a menace

[covert spear]

yes lets also nerf more killer perks too

[honest hinge]

Dont forget the pig

[plucky grail]

franklins already got nuked when they took away the item deterioration from it

[dense geyser]

"Who plays kaneki in the ptb?" testing out the new exposed perk, also coming from a lara croft with no new perks on :D

[gritty oar]

no just franklens. now it requires you to ask the survivor politely to drop their item

[raven flume]

I mean of course you can hate any killer but you need to learn how to play against them thats what im saying

[paper dock]

lmaoooo

[covert spear]

yeah no

[gritty oar]

stupidest thing ever imo, should have just made the regression slower

[restive summit]

any myers enjoyers here whats the verdict guys?

[plucky grail]

"But.... I like my fart jar... its pretty...."

[dense geyser]

another 4k in the bag, its such a good build since its just the base loop of find survivor, chase survivor, hook survivor repeat

[gritty oar]

death

[restive summit]

you think hes dead?

[gritty oar]

whats wrong with that

[dense geyser]

scratch mirrors got giga buffed

[wooden knot]

I hated nurse for the longest time intel i played her and understood how her blinked worked and discovered a way to counter

[paper dock]

hell yeah man, I might steal it for my wraith. maybe double uncloak speed add ons?

[covert spear]

from what i learned in this PTB is that i need to take a break from this awful game until killers actually are fun to play. Imma just be playing silksong

[restive summit]

i played mirror and got pre ran vs 10 second sb

[raven flume]

I mean i have kaneki counterplay rulebook for survivors and use it for myself too😭

[agile glade]

I Just checked. In my Normal Game my Account is there but Not in the ptb despite my Progress going way farther Back than 6 months. Anyone else having this Problem?

[gritty oar]

nah hes still good just new, like getting a new engine in a car clearly not made for it

[ripe bison]

Franklin is still awesome just not on every killer.

I have downed many people because they stop to get their item back before running away or come back to get the item.

[celest hare]

If what you find unfun is that they're "too strong" for you then yeah

[dense geyser]

I'd say 1 cloak speed 1 movement speed while cloaked, just jump on em, body block the pallet/vault and take the free down every time

[paper dock]

PTB just has what you actually purchased through steam iirc, not auric cells or iri shards

[restive summit]

im 50/50 on his changes tbh need to play him more but for sure is a big mixup

[gritty oar]

im dont think i hate killers, i hate the ppl that play them ie good players lmao

[plucky grail]

I liked it better when it depleted, and I was using it on Artist... when they nerfed it I had to drop my girl and I was sad....

[humble kindle]

offtopic; is anyone able to open google atm? i tried to google the dbd wiki to check some things

[raven flume]

Have you ever go against a good kaneki?

[wooden knot]

Hes really not to hard to counter depending on add-ons and perks and how good the person is but that definitely changes with each player

[paper dock]

see thats what I normally run, but given the time limit on your exposed, you really want to make sure you get that hit and that it happens ASAP after the uncloak, plus you dont need the movement speed one as much thanks to the unique hook haste imo

[plucky grail]

they could have made it so Franklins only depleted like.... half the remaining charges or something

[agile glade]

I Just have a completely new Account in the ptb. Wasnt Like this Last time

[paper dock]

both are certainly viable choices though Im sure

[dense geyser]

to be fair, yea try it with double uncloak and just one shot survivors for days XD

[gritty oar]

yes and i dont understand the hate, hes strong but not fuckin insta loss

[plucky grail]

that would have at least made it more fair on both ends

[paper dock]

hmm, cant say then. this is my first time bothering with PTB stuff, so when it was blank for me, I didnt think twice

[ripe bison]

He isnt difficult to get good at though. His skill floor being so incredibly high is the problem.

[wind needle]

He puts everyone into deep wound with an unavoidable hitscan auto-aim attack

[wooden knot]

It could just be the PTB issue

[paper dock]

I will friend you, try it tomorrow/the next day, and get back to you with results 😌

[raven flume]

I think he is like the skull merchant, he traumatized survivors and now everyone is afraid of him

[gritty oar]

Kaneki is only strong bc good players use him and dominate matches making him seem so much better than he is. Ive played against the bad and the mid ones and their not even that bad to play against

[wooden knot]

None of them are difficult if you play each killer long enough

[paper dock]

same can be said of nurse tbf

[celest hare]

Same for nurse and blight this means nothing lmao

[dense geyser]

Ayy bet
It was one my fav builds pre-PTB but I had a killer specific perk over the new perk
Now I can stack more exposed

[plucky grail]

anyways its late and I should go to sleep yall

[paper knot]

Remove Nurse and Blight and finally balance in the right direction would be better than this „Shit Show“ xd

[raven flume]

You can turn your brain off and just injure people thats the problem

I think autoaim is insanely unhealthy for kaneki

[gritty oar]

i get that he can be annoying but idk, i agree the auto aim is stupid but thats a easy fix just make him free hand

[plucky grail]

imo blight getting points for boinking into walls repeatedly shouldnt be a thing but thats just a tiny nitpick

[ripe bison]

Wrong wording. What I mean is hes extremely easy to use despite how powerful he is. Compared to other super powerful killers, even a brand new player can get get at least soemwhat decent with him after just a little bit of playing.

[raven flume]

I would like to aim one pixel next to a Survivor and slide past to him not grab and cancel my power

[paper knot]

Fits to the rest of the game u can turn ur brain off and play survivor with ur friends and still fuck the killer

[celest hare]

Blight needs that token nerf Kaneki got and Nurse needs blindness when charging up blinks

[gritty oar]

but thats just like slinger and people just learn to use him

[raven flume]

Kaneki has a pretty good skill ceiling already, that would make him even more skillfull and increase his skill floor too

[gritty oar]

i think nurse should have her frames fixed bc sometimes they fuckin hit me and i dont even see the frame they did only when they pop up AFTER i was hit

[ripe bison]

Bring back Nurse lightburn

[wooden knot]

One thing i think needs to be done is making it harder for hackers

[celest hare]

😐

[paper knot]

The smallest Problem here atm xd

[gritty oar]

cuts down players who play him, requires a strong killer to be learned more, and allows survivors to have more leeway with his misses no?

[gritty oar]

?

[raven flume]

Just like wesker, yeah. If you play well, you get rewarded.

[celest hare]

What you said annoys me haha, like it sounds annoying

[gritty oar]

k

[raven flume]

I love playing killers with macro gameplay

[gritty oar]

i feel like it should be that bc high risk high reward i mean mfs are learning wesker teq just to get the most out of his dashes

[raven flume]

Thats exactly what i want to learn lol

[celest hare]

The Tokyo Ghoul chapter is like the licensed version of the Tools of Torment chapter

[gritty oar]

(its not for the faint of heart bro shits so rough it also doesnt help when you accidently gave the flashlight build to all the bots in customs by accident)

[gritty oar]

wait how does that annoy you, bc i gave active critque that a killer with some weird mechanics should be worked on to make it more fair?

[primal anvil]

bruh im gonna get roasted for this but im glad that solo q experience is gonna improve a bit 😭

[humble kindle]

set up pods at exit gates as singularity, afk facing the wall until all 5 gens are done

noed/rancor + game afoot mori 4 survivors in the endgame

[celest hare]

No lol about nurse having that issue for you

[gritty oar]

agreed, its gonna feel better not to just be the odd one out and get cucked bc of it

[raven flume]

Tokyo ghoul was a success in pretty much every aspect ngl

[gritty oar]

but it is a issue

[celest hare]

Sales because killers love being op simple slop doesn't mean anything ngl

[raven flume]

They modeled a 2D anime character and thats just pretty impressive

[celest hare]

I know? 😭 I meant it positively

[gritty oar]

and made his theme bitchin

[dense geyser]

DING DING DING

[raven flume]

You only think of balance don't you? Okay duh.

[humble kindle]

unpopular opinion

kaneki is just legion with a dash

[gritty oar]

idk man you cant say positive but say it was annoying, it breaks both

[dense geyser]

ONE WHOLE LEIGON MATCH AND WE FOUND A BUG, GETTING BLINDED WHILE VAULTING PERM BREAKS YOUR POWER

[gritty oar]

he is tho and its funny

[wind needle]

Deserved for playing legion

[dense geyser]

you can't even down either, and trying to re-vault the pallet makes the pallet stun you again

[celest hare]

I'm so confused atp lol, you described an issue you were having against nurse with hits that look wrong or something right? Because nurse is the strongest killer in the game that just sounds annoying

[dense geyser]

L ragebait

[raven flume]

I agree and disagree, with techs you can be better, with just turning your brain off your just a flashy legion with mobility. Coming from p100 kaneki btw

[wind needle]

Legion with or without power is about a 2 hook difference

[gritty oar]

ohh sorry i get what you ment now you ment annoying for the killer not me. I was readin that wrong

[celest hare]

👃😩

[humble kindle]

is google.com up for anyone?

[gritty oar]

*annoyed at the killer i mean and not toward my demender

[celest hare]

Don't worry at all I get it sorry for being SO BAD at explaining lmaoo

[wooden knot]

I had something similar happen when i played springtrap once, but it involved throwing the axe and being pallet stunned amd flashlight stuned

[dense geyser]

I think getting your power cancled mid stun causes you to be bugged for the rest of the match

[humble kindle]

i like facing kaneki, but when im faced against the nurse skin i just want to go next

[celest hare]

Kaneki has to be the absolute biggest, what the fuck is he doing here chapter in the game

[gritty oar]

But in all honesty as toxic as people are seeing it, those mfs will sign in day one of the release and praise the update or quit for a day and come back

[wooden knot]

I couldn't do anything it sucked

[celest hare]

Well Nicholas Cage exists lmfao nvm. I guess it was time there was a killer that has no business being in dbd

[dense geyser]

no no I mean, I was LOCKED into the power, but I couldn't deep wound or do anything with the power, it was basically being a harmless killer

[humble kindle]

i think ive heard that bug before

[wind needle]

Harmless killer? So no difference

[humble kindle]

was your power at like 1% when you vaulted?

[dense geyser]

2 hooks in under 30 seconds off rip just to have my power disabled, we love to see it XD

[wooden knot]

Forced friendly

[gritty oar]

i mean we got springtrap, what the hell is bro doin here. or even fuckin ash williams like why is bro here

[dense geyser]

I got flashed as I was vaulting with iri button

[celest hare]

"But Tokyo Ghoul is horror, it's really scary!" Roblox ahh skinny boy character with Roblox ahh animations flinging around the map with the goofiest grunts ok lmao

[humble kindle]

the infamous takeawaylegion'sknife tech

[celest hare]

Isn't Evil Dead horror? Also Springtrap, I had doubts because the FNaF franchise has gone a very child centred direction lmao but he's super cool and FNaF, even just FNaF 3 or whatever is inarguably horror so

FNaF/Springtrap is like a 10/10 justified choice, he fits perfectly well

[plush saffron]

the new killer is a flying evil wig

[celest hare]

And I'd love to argue with someone, Lara Croft is a 9/10 justified choice

9+, the one thing is that the game doesn't label itself as horror

[wooden knot]

Entity grounded Legion from knife privileges

[celest hare]

It literally is though lmao I could quickly list why. Just look at how Lara entered the fog in the lore bruh

[gritty oar]

kinda, more horror action than anything mostly cause he kills demons. Again like attack on titan is in this game and a metal band too. PLus i mean if there was a another anime killer, i would kill for parasyte or Ajin: Demi-Human

[dense geyser]

entity told leigon to be a survivor for a change

[celest hare]

I love the not strictly horror stuff just being cosmetics and things though I think everyone's okay with that
Did they add rainbow six siege was it? Now THAT was fucking stupid

[gritty oar]

agreed

[wooden knot]

When that bug happened to me with springtrap my friend said well you got spring locked twice

[gritty oar]

we did get uzumaki too

[celest hare]

Like Geralt being in dbd, man licensed survivors also have so much more wiggle room like, he fits the game perfectly

[dense geyser]

became burntrap

[gritty oar]

idk there alot of iconic horror shows, games, etc

[celest hare]

Wasthat

[gritty oar]

the skins for spirit thats gold its a collab with junji ito

[celest hare]

Who's Uzumaki? Isn't spirit tomie

[gritty oar]

i would KILL for fuckin deadspace issac clark skin

[celest hare]

Is Uzumaki the artist one?

[gritty oar]

uzumaki is the story/book

[celest hare]

Ohhh okay
And I remembered the artist one is miss fuchi or smth

[gritty oar]

where the character come from

[gritty oar]

yeah those skins come from that story (or some of em i cant remeber off the top of my head

[wooden knot]

Wish we had other unlockable skins other then the bloody ones wich some cant even see on the characters due to darker clothing

[gritty oar]

bring back blighted outfits

[wooden knot]

There still here just have to buy them with auric cells and those get expensive

[gritty oar]

no the old ones

[cinder tangle]

the old prestiege ones he meant

but tbh i prefer the blood animation on the weapons ngl

[dense geyser]

does bubba still have the whole "killing 50 of the starter survivors gives you their face" thing?

[fickle crane]

No they removed that

[wooden knot]

No

[dense geyser]

aww man, running around as dwight bubba would have been perfect

[ripe bison]

Laura feels like an original survivor. At least on killer end whete you cant hear her voicelines.

[humble kindle]

they removed it cause some bubbas ran claudette and face camped claudettes

[dense geyser]

okay maybe bubba does not need to go where bubba wants

[wooden knot]

In that case definitely not.

[dense geyser]

quick what killers do survivor mains hate?

[celest hare]

I'm gonna give you 10 seconds to correct that name 😡

[crystal perch]

like if u have a perk with 40 secs exhaustion, it should be around 10 seconds with both of these perks no?

[ripe bison]

No

[crystal perch]

yet its taking 25 secs for me and i have both perks on purple

[echo oracle]

Dbd if these changes dont get reworked

[tame rapids]

sadako probably has the least amount of issues with this ptb

[dense geyser]

just uh, gonna take unknown there and move him up to S- and we are sorted

[fickle crane]

Sadako condemn isn't affected by the tunneling changes

[dense geyser]

currently it is

[fickle crane]

Isn't that a bug?

[shell sapphire]

it is

[tame rapids]

you still need to take LESS hooks than most other killers with bugged condemn

[wooden knot]

Chuckys are hard to counter if there undetectable on some maps

[celest hare]

I have four things on my dbd wishlist, five if you count a joke
The Last of Us - for survivors Joel and Ellie, with Tommy and Abby as legendaries - Bloater or Rat King as the killer
Until Dawn - for survivors umm idfk, too many choices lol, but pick like two of either gender, and then have all the rest as legendaries - Wendigo ||(Hannah)|| as the killer
Ready or Not - Grace Whatever her last name is (should be so easy to do this on their end, plus acquiring the license perms) as a solo survivor
The Invisible Man - for survivors Cecelia and ... I forgot the black man's name 😔 as a legendary - Adrien, the invisible man lol as the killer

[dense geyser]

leigons bugged even more so move him down to super hell now that killer instinct doesn't work off hook XD (and the bug being you can literally disable the killer altogether with 1 well timed flash/stun)

[ripe bison]

roll every time I see you get distracted by your profile picture of good gremlin girl

[celest hare]

Oh yeah the joke is Sackboy as a cosmetic for Chucky lmfao it'd be so funny

[dense geyser]

give the new killer a killer queen from jojo skin, kira as the body form killer queen as 3rd person

[celest hare]

Idk who they are but sounds nice ig 😭💔

[ripe bison]

Invisible Man is kind of like adding Frankenstien or something though.

[cinder tangle]

honestly a killer with explosions sounds really cool

[celest hare]

Sorry, 2019 one, it's a horror movie

[dense geyser]

imagine a humanoid pink cat flying at you

[tawdry raptor]

So... What about new bugs? What you can say?

[cinder tangle]

which i guess skull merchant is going to turn into?

[celest hare]

Lmaoo

[cinder tangle]

idk

[dense geyser]

leigon can literally be disabled if you flash him mid pallet vault with iri button

[wooden knot]

Theres a lot of game breaking collision bugs

[ripe bison]

I know that, however that movie is a reimagining of an old black and white film from the same era and studio as the old Frankenstien and Dracula movies, and was just as influential. Was also originally a book like those two but I digress

Its an iconic old movie horror villain

[wooden knot]

Frankenstein would be a cool killer idea

[celest hare]

Yeah I can kinda see it as like Dracula from Castlevania being in dbd, they didn't do old Dracula or something, just a generic Dracula

[cinder tangle]

i guess but isn't universal like a pain to deal with?

[wooden knot]

Can be on specific licenses

Warner Brothers are similar. Thats why we see more indie, some game companies, anime, and a couple of classics like Chucky and Ghostface

[cinder tangle]

btw do i need to reinstall the game every time i want to change from live to ptb and vice-versa?

[wooden knot]

I think you do it through the propertys but i haven't tried that way

I just reinstall it just incase

[cinder tangle]

one thing i have to try out is if you get high lighted in white during nightfall if you have the elusive status effect

because you don't get highlighted if myers is stalking you

[ripe bison]

It doesnt take as long to switch back to the main game but youll have to redownload and patch the game to go back to ptb

[random cargo]

Finally playing the new update, first killer round with perfectly pleasant and normal survivors, I downed somebody I couldn't hook because everyone looked too similar, forced to slug them and lost everybody else because Vee's new scratch mark perk makes it impossible to turn away for a second if you're trying to track somebody. "Anti-slug" but survivors are gonna be even more frequently slugged on ACCIDENT because what did you expect was gonna happen bhvr??

"Just dont tunnel" okay then force survivors to all choose different characters. Adding hook count to the sidebar is A++ that helps so much but I still have trouble visually differentiating people and it's even worse when you can all look exactly the same

The survivor meta should not be all looking the same to trick the killer

[wooden knot]

The tunnel system wont work due to stuff like that especially the tempting stevegull build

[upbeat panther]

this is sadly true

[snow tusk]

Question: similar to basement bubba…..
You think we can get a hippie dopey Krasue having a basement of glowing magic mushrooms?

[wooden knot]

Maybe

[snow tusk]

“Jesse. We need to cook”

[wooden knot]

Basement update would be cool. Decorate each Basement with the individual killer

[snow tusk]

Oi I’m cooking magic mushrooms here -Krasue in basement

[random cargo]

Wait a minute, since when do you get to abandon during moris?

[random cargo]

Also certain perks literally encouraging you to go after the obsession

[random cargo]

Why do I have to sit and watch a 15 second animation when I just want to leave and spectate people but apparently other people dont? love the game being broken

Also just had even more issues with my second killer round. This update is a joke. Genuinely thought it wouldn't be this bad but do they seriously expect you to spend 5 minutes trying to track down somebody else besides the two people who have already been hooked twice

[static palm]

Yes.

[random cargo]

They definitely don't want you to slug the two-hooked people you keep running into so that they don't keep up generator progress, because that's meeeeaaaaaannnnn

How dare the killer kill people who apparently aren't good enough to avoid running into the killer 3 times in a row, and not be good enough to "simply not tunnel"

This stuff is pissing me off and it's going to be even worse when I inevitably end up getting slugged a bunch by people with the same issues as me

[static palm]

there is 2 other people who would most likely be pressuring gens you could go after

[random cargo]

Nooooo really???

[static palm]

hey man, your the one complaining.....

[random cargo]

The reason this update happened is because people were complaining 😭

[static palm]

call it insight or whatever but i say it's just dbd it will never be good enough for anyone.

[random cargo]

Alternatively the devs could listen to the community and people could look away from valid criticism they don't like :)

[wheat niche]

It was in a good state for a while but survivors decided that the killer side was being too mean sometimes

[static palm]

i mean they do sometimes, Key word before you cry. SOMETIMES.

[wheat niche]

Yeah . Sometimes . A minority of the time

[random cargo]

Somebody hasn't run into survivor bully squads enough

[static palm]

not all the time but think of all the stuff you killer mains sook over

there is so much on both sides.

[quartz plover]

Tbf that's what opinions are in the end, it's not that it will never be good enough for anyone more like it will never be good enough for everyone

[random cargo]

"you killer mains" brother I'm 50/50 this is not an us vs them 🥀

[wheat niche]

Survivor main?

[static palm]

schedule 1 main.

[random cargo]

If you aren't having issues, great, talk to people who aren't complaining and criticizing. Plenty of us are having unenjoyable experiences bc of the new update

[wheat niche]

Answer the question we’re having a discussion in the discussion channel

[random cargo]

From what I've played so far, there is genuinely little impact on the survivor side unless you get unlucky and continuously run into bully killers. My survivor experience has not improved whatsoever

My killer experience is frustrating despite getting with very lovely people and trying to change my strategy

[wheat niche]

The truth is that the PTB, if allowed to go live, would make the killer side fundamentally worse for new players and borderline impossible if forced to play against aggressive survivor players

[random cargo]

^^ it's definitely going to make it very inaccessible for new players, especially neurodivergent people (e.g. people with sensory processing issues like me) who need to adjust to everything new and are overwhelmed

The game was hard enough for me to settle into, it would've been a nightmare if I joined and this was live

[wheat niche]

Killers should not be getting penalised at ALL for killing survivors. That’s a delusional change to make to the game and will completely destroy the longevity of the game

[random cargo]

^^ this is a genuine real life phenomenon too where people respond MUCH better to positive encouragement rather than "dont do this" and discouragement

And chances are if someone's being a bully, they'll find a different way to bully around this update.

[halcyon sapphire]

I agree with this. Yes make the unhook not vusible ect. But dont punish me. They dont get punished for poopin 4 gens in 2 min either

[random cargo]

I think the big issue that this update is trying to bandaid fix is the MMR is ass. Putting noob survivors with killers who have hundreds of hours is definitely gonna make a lot of bad experiences unless the killer intentionally goes easy

[wheat niche]

I’d be completely fine with the unhook notification being removed. I’d be fine with the anti-tunnel penalty if it was 4 gens instead of 6.

[random cargo]

Both sides shouldn't have to worry about playing "correctly" trying to work around invisible rules

[mighty portal]

To be honest at this point why not
Or
If you finish a gen under 80 seconds you get a hook state at this point why not have a rule for survivors to follow don't do your objective

[random cargo]

I actually like the lack of unhook notification, I think it's a much-needed change and makes sense. The anti-tunnel penalty is way too extreme. My suggestion would be giving the survivors a base repair speed boost whenever somebody dies to make up for their loss as a natural way to discourage early killing

But not 25% and don't block the generators???

[quasi thistle]

At this point to balance it out, completing two gens within 2 minutes of each other should injur all survivors. To balance out the fact killers can't KILL PEOPLE before wasting 6 hooks.

Punish genrushing if you are going to punish hooking people

[wheat niche]

That wouldn’t make sense

Literally the easiest solution is to just not do this change at all

[random cargo]

All of this is just a nonsensical way to avoid fixing mmr and encouraging better playstyles

[quasi thistle]

Neither do the "anti tunneling" changes. But here we are. 6 hooks is too much, 30 seconds functional immunity is insane

[random cargo]

Literally, this is going to make bully squads more creative, more frustrating, and it will also extend the shitty impact to people who otherwise wouldn't feel it by forcing killers to slug essentially

[wheat niche]

Read my messages oh my god

[quasi thistle]

Have you considered the feelings of poor baby noob survivors that need to have the most gentle learning experience?

Meanwhile new killers and sub B tier can piss off

[random cargo]

Overall the game is still enjoyable because I seem to not be getting toxic people and therefore it should be easy most matches to visually differentiate people (though I still have memory issues due to disability unfortunately). But not everyone is going to get lucky and it will be much worse when the patch goes out. Also I feel bad for slugging people but if I accidentally down the wrong person I don't have a choice

[wheat niche]

At some point I think that the state of the game is beginning to become straight up disrespectful to the licenses they’re bringing into the game as well

[wheat niche]

Turning the game into a Killer Bullying Simulator

[terse nest]

After playing around with the new changes, it's honestly a little silly. Full heals under hook every time, instant recovery and basekit tenacity, complete immunity for last hooked survivor, complete hand-holding.

[random cargo]

When the gentle learning experience is a perpetual cycle of slugging

[old marsh]

I don’t understand the hate of the changes I play both survivor and killer and equal amount I think it’s fair

[random cargo]

Wait I forgot about the last hooked survivor thing, what does that do again?

[wheat niche]

Then you’re fundamentally lacking the understanding of the game needed to form an opinion on this

[random cargo]

Also to be fair people were healing under hook all the time anyways lol

[terse nest]

it was a risk. Everything survivors do should be a risk

[wheat niche]

Yeah but now they get to do it with no threat

[random cargo]

Not everyone plays the same and/or will be frustrated by the changes, it's important to listen more to the people who ARE

[uncut kestrel]

I just played a game of Sadako, where I Mori'd a survivor who ignored the tapes and I...just got punished for it (25% bonus for all survs)

[random cargo]

tbf the rescuer is still taking a risk, but I still agree

[wheat niche]

Not as much because there’s no notification

[old marsh]

It needs balancing for that kind of stuff. Tunnelling a survivor out at 5 gens should be punished

[random cargo]

I do like or don't mind a few of the changes but they're massively overcorrecting and still ignoring the MMR issues which are a huge part of the issues they're trying to fix...

[quasi thistle]

Not unless the killer has S tier mobility.

[wheat niche]

The only way you can know someone is being unhooked is if you just so happen to see the unhooker’s aura in the moment

[uncut kestrel]

I already had more than 6 hooks, but I hooked the same surv by mistake and the generators were permanently blocked for me XD

[random cargo]

It really depends. People can throw themselves in front of you being an aggressive protector, which is a valid playstyle but you shouldn't have to put up with bodyblocking etc. with no fight

[quasi thistle]

There are already survivors exploiting the antislug and last hook protection

LIKE EVERYONE SAID THEY WOULD

[uncut kestrel]

Surprises a total of 0 people.

[terse nest]

The 6 hook thing is so arbitrary. It should be based on game time/gen progression

[old marsh]

The idea is there the execution is not . It’s gonna get changed anyway

[fleet lagoon]

so what about jagged - gift of pain - floods of rage combo now

[random cargo]

And tunneling can be a very valid strategy, it's usually not worth it when it's for the purpose of targeting and harassment because you'll probably end up losing due to that, but if there's a flashlight dude constantly annoying me? I'm probably gonna target them

[wheat niche]

I’m sure that might still work

[uncut kestrel]

If these changes are for live, I'll uninstall it. No secret.

[fleet lagoon]

i mean you'll hear the hook turned to scourage, and get the aura of the survivor saving

[quasi thistle]

Not counting the devs I see

[uncut kestrel]

XD

[quasi thistle]

Will be asking for a steam refund

[terse nest]

They won't push all of the changes. I'm 99% sure they'll tone it down majorly

[uncut kestrel]

I think we main killers should stop playing the game and let the survivors play alone. 10 hours of queue will be cool for them lol

[wheat niche]

The sad truth that a lot of survivors have to become aware of really fast is that tunnelling has only ever been a situational problem and it should never have been considered a negative for the killer to be efficient . Tunneling isn’t even optimal when it’s being used to harass someone

[terse nest]

It's not like the community is divided on this

[random cargo]

Steam didn't give me a refund on a game I accidentally bought without knowing and already had on a different platform (Epic) so I think they'd literally block your email for asking this LMAO

[uncut kestrel]

The simple fact that they put this in the PTB is already insane.

[random cargo]

They can have the 2v8 killer queue experience

[random cargo]

maybe

[quasi thistle]

Tunneling against survivors with minimum skill is a losing strategy. Free gens all the way

[wheat niche]

Exactly. Tunneling isn’t a real problem, it just hurt survivors’ feelings

[merry crescent]

5000 hour killer slugged at 5 gens. Right when match started. Had a new player playing with us.

[uncut kestrel]

I tested Pinhead too and my god the guy is dead. I can't go after the survivor with the box... I can't use my legion killer instinct because it doesn't appear on the survivor I need.

[wheat niche]

Literally a majority of the killers are going to become borderline unplayable

[obsidian coral]

Basically if youre not an S tier killer or high high A, youre cooked. You get punished for not being S tier basically. Its wild

[quasi thistle]

Just buy the latest high mobility killer bro!

[uncut kestrel]

Sadako, Pinhead, Pig, Trapper(The last unhooked surv will follow him to remove the traps, what are you going to do? Leave them on the ground? Hook them and be penalized?)

[stray rivet]

The changes effect lower tier killers more than higher tier ones it's really odd

[obsidian coral]

The higher tier killers will barely be effected

[uncut kestrel]

It's a bad day to be a Legion Main...

[stray rivet]

Even the slugging changes, 90 second slug timer does not matter for characters who can just lightspeed rush the other survivor and return compared to someone with no movement abilities

[obsidian coral]

The lower tier killers will be gutted

[stray rivet]

It just means higher tiers are even better at slugging now compared to the lower tiers than they already were 😭

[obsidian coral]

Agreed. Also recovering and crawling at the same time is insane

This patch is just so overkill

[uncut kestrel]

I want to see these changes come to live just to see this game die.

[stray rivet]

Also i heard deerstalker doesn't interact with kindred? That stinks it would been a funny interaction 😔

[terse nest]

If there was only one change from the ptb I could choose to remove, it'd be the basekit tenacity. It's completely unnecessary. It's like if they gave killers basekit blood warden or something.

[stray rivet]

Kindred user: 👁️👄👁️
Me half the map away who just hooked a surv: 👁️👄👁️

[quasi thistle]

I swear the point of the patch is

"Fuck you, pay us for better killers. Old ones don't make us as much money as we want"

[stray rivet]

I'd honestly make the basekit unbreakable be on a set timer each slug instead of a total 90 seconds

[terse nest]

If BHVR wants to give survivors a weak form of unbreakable if they're left on the ground recovering for ages, whatever, I get it. But to allow them to crawl away and hide while that's happening? C'mon

[dense geyser]

New killer perks are amazing for the right builds
You can make any m1 killer have far too much exposed if you run ravenous, friends till the end and futrive chase

[tired zodiac]

How does the new killer work? I'm on console and havent seen the killer yet

[quartz plover]

Same tbh, cuz I love that perk

[stray rivet]

Ravenous with deathslinger, even if he has low mobility, it would be funny to one hit every survivor without having to use the iri addon (Also called, having a skill issue (also called being me))

[true trench]

idk if its because I've been playing against SWFs all night, or if because this is the PTB MMR is messed up, idk how the new killer works yet, the maps having more pallets, or a mix of all the above, but like, I feel like I need to do so much more work to get kills in the PTB

[stray rivet]

Also, ravenous in general is a weird addition to the update. Wouldn't it somewhat encourage slugging? You have 60 seconds to find as many people and down them, are you going spend precious limited time you have on hooking each one you downed instead of trying to snowball? Am i looking at it wrong?

[random cargo]

I thought it was just me!! also subconciously avoiding ppl because of the anti-tunneling... just makes it more frustrating

[quasi thistle]

Similar to plague

Infect with range attack to allow to injury in a highly mobile second form

[random cargo]

Nah there are obsession perks that encourage tunneling too. They dont care lmao

[fickle crane]

You have two forms. Head form and Body form.

You start in Body form, where you're a regular 115% killer. Press the power button to charge up a projectile that works a lot like Unknown's, except you can hit people directly. Once hit, the survivor becomes "leeched." If survivors are leeched for too long, they become broken. Survivors can get rid of leeched by eating glowing fungi that spawn around the map, and spawn each time you transform.

At any time, you can detatch your head from your body to float around with it. In head form, you move at 120% and cannot basic attack. Your attack is instead replaced by a thrust where you can't turn very well, but it goes decently far. This thrust only injures survivors who are leeched. You may also use the power button to go into a mode called "Headlong Flight" where you move a lot faster, which is good for catching up to survivors after you hit them

[tired zodiac]

Ohh i see, thank you! Is the new killer intresting to play or go against?

[true trench]

I will say I am running an end game build so I'm not using the perks I usually use, but still, I only got one 3k tonight (and got called a bitch in post game chat)

[weary pilot]

You know what guys? I feel like these changes for tunneling and slugging have big potential to succeed. But there are some tweaks that NEED to happen.

• Reduce hook timers from 70 to 60s
• Hook HUD obscurity duration reduced from 10 to 8s
• Tunnel penalty hook requirement reduced from 6 to either 5 or 4
• NEW: If two or more survivors are within a certain radius of a killer and a slugged survivor, that survivor does not generate resolve (the resource to automatically pick oneself up).
• Survivors cannot crawl and recover at the same time

Feel free to add more or convince me of my ideas otherwise.

[white prawn]

the order of power used to be solo queue < killer < SWF but if these go through it'll genuinely be killer at the bottom

[stray rivet]

How does krause feel in more open maps without walls or ceilings to bounce shots out of? Since she doesn't bounce shots on the floor.

[weary pilot]

She relies on you hitting direct shots if that's the case

[fickle crane]

I like her. I haven't played against her yet

[fickle crane]

You can hit survivors directly with it so it's not that bad.

[dim karma]

Remove hiding killer instinct + these (except hook timer reduction) boom game fixed

[tired zodiac]

Hopefully she is fun to go against as well !

[dire vigil]

I wanna try the new killer taking a long time to load though lol

[true trench]

I do like the new killer, is is extremely cool, but I can't really judge how fun she is to play becuase of the state of the ptb

[weary pilot]

I personally think the hook timer increase needs to be reverted if this patch goes thru unchanged.

[dim karma]

Agreed if it goes through unchanged

[tired zodiac]

Lots of bugs/lags in the ptb rn?

[random cargo]

Still insufferable

[weary pilot]

I haven't noticed any major bugs except 3 small ones I found in my time.

[quasi thistle]

Seems very strong rn

[tired zodiac]

Hopefully it stays that way

[stray rivet]

I think the slugging get up timer should be on a set duration (maybe less than 90) each slug instead of 90 total, total punishes slower killers more longterm than faster killers.

[weary pilot]

There's likely a whole list with pages of bugs idk lol

[tired zodiac]

A-S tier? Or lower

[random cargo]

Oh god i forgot it's 90 total

[weary pilot]

Dude, I find it so strange that the 90s doesn't get reset per down.

[fickle crane]

I would say low A tier, but I'm not certain. The problem is that it seems this killer is really weak to being body-blocked so I'm a small bit concerned about that

[tired zodiac]

Probably but it might be hard to find since its an unfamiliar killer

[random cargo]

This is supposed to be what paid playtesters and qa testers are for

Unfortunately, games these days like to make their community do free work for them

I wouldnt be surprised if somebody was using chatgpt as QA lololol

[solid pollen]

The devs put her in the catogory with ghoul, dracula, nurse and blitght so she seems to be estimated as really strong

[tired zodiac]

I see, i'm pretty excited to see her in game

[dire vigil]

How long are waiting times for ptb usually lol

[weary pilot]

Speaking of Krasue, here are some power changes that should happen:

• Time to transition from head to body form reduced from 2.6 to 2s
• Movespeed when transitioning from head to body increased from 29% to 50% (1.15 m/s to 2 m/s)

[random cargo]

New killer has jumpscared me the same was as legion because they're both very similar to survivors at a glance

[tired zodiac]

Oh wow, another strong killer it seems

[fickle crane]

Normally they're like 20+ minutes.They feel so short this time

[random cargo]

I'm at less for 10 for killer and less than a minute for survivor

[dire vigil]

Damn guess Im waiting a while lol

[tired zodiac]

Haha, fair, i got jumpscared just yesterday by legion

[fickle crane]

Oh let me elaborate. Normally they're 20+. This PTB they feel like 10 or so

[random cargo]

I think this killer is worse because her movement is way more similar

[fickle crane]

As in, worse than Legion?

[ripe bison]

Her activation and ending lag between all her actions in relation to her head form make her feel really clunky

[random cargo]

Yeah she blends in more as a survivor

[solid pollen]

I mean from what i have seen she has a lot of mobility/speed so she can at least compete with map traversal

[fickle crane]

Oh I see what you mean

[weary pilot]

The delay for missing the whip is way too punishing imo

[dire vigil]

Nvm In in one lol

[tired zodiac]

Oooo, i mean if i were to play that killer then i would prob try to jumpscare for a bit of fun

[random cargo]

Also trans flag based :D

[ripe bison]

Also trans character who happens to be the best girl of her game.

[fickle crane]

I don't mind the post-miss delay as much, especially when the killer has Headlong Flight

[random cargo]

I dont know if anything can be worse than the nurse fatigue

[fickle crane]

Well there was 5 second Victor cooldown for a while

[random cargo]

Literally made me start going into an autistic meltdown because it was so obnoxious

[ripe bison]

Nurse fatigue is like an actual balancing thing though. It doesnt make hee feel clunky either.

[random cargo]

How anybody plays that, idk

[tired zodiac]

Zoe is so fun

[random cargo]

It's just so hard to learn

[ripe bison]

She goofy gremlin

[ripe bison]

Shes a killer with a high skill floor but extremely busted if you can meet it and be good at it.

[quasi thistle]

Nurse 2.0

Also her counterplay already had bugs

[wheat niche]

Krasue just needs less slowdown for going between modes and more turn speed when lunging in head mode

[fickle crane]

I think the lack of turning is justifiable as like a balance thing because of how fast you are. The mode switch thing I agree with though. I think changing that would eliminate my only two real issues with the killer

[dense geyser]

wait, fired up end game builds are gonna be crazy on low tier killers

you tunnel out one player, you let the gens get done and you force the end game with as many end game perks as possible

[true trench]

Seconded. Krasue also has an insane add-on just for the end game too

[humble kindle]

pretty much this

and this

[ripe bison]

She has two addons that cause every survivor to be blinded from the very atart of the trial until they cure themselves

As funny as it is its pretty stupid

[static palm]

nah i've run into toxic survivor teammates upset i have more than 2 hours on the game so they work with the killer.

[long raptor]

why are gens on fire now does that signify anything or just new visuals?

[wise tide]

I think its just a visual

[random cargo]

Not what I meant there so

[ripe bison]

Sometimes it isnt there though

[random cargo]

Do you even play killer?

[ripe bison]

Are you refering to pointing? Cause people will sometimes do that as a similar methoud to tbagging or being salty about having no way of avoiding getting downed.

[desert crown]

i think they did it to make their progress more visible from farther away

BUT CAN THEY FINALLY FIX THE BLACK HOLE BULLSHIT WHEN SOMEONE IS HOOKED OR A GEN IS POPPED THAT BLOCKS SEEING ANYONE'S AURA

[random cargo]

TRUE

[desert crown]

or the fact that the red aura on gens hides the aura of anyone working on it most of the time

[static palm]

nah bro had two chicks actively body blocking me for the killer to get hits on me lol i ran all 3 of them

[fickle crane]

I think that one's more intentional to give survivors a way to hide from auras if they see it coming

[ripe bison]

Oof. I think youre just unlucky tbh though. Most people dont do that and are moreso toxic to the killer.

[desert crown]

it's kinda stupid since the main purpose of aura reading is to know where to concentrate your pressure in a given moment

[static palm]

same goes to killers, bully squads exist. i always see them i do not partake i just be doin gens while they die, dunno how killers complain about bully squads when the bully squads these days are more dangerous to their teammates than the killer......

[desert crown]

I don't care about the aura of a surv running like a headless chicken on the other side of the map

[dense geyser]

one whole survivor had a new perk, we love quality gameplay XD (yes you are seeing head on, flashbang and chemical trap)

[random cargo]

Surprised they didnt have a flashlight too

[dense geyser]

no but the other 2 did

[fickle crane]

I mean to be fair most of the new perks aren't that great. Not a ton of extra new content for survivors

[dense geyser]

they can't even experiment? I'm trying the new perks out to see how they fit into the killers I already use

[fickle crane]

Maybe they did experiment in previous games. Or maybe they want to try their regular builds against the new killer. Hard to say

[dense geyser]

I mean fair enough, but I don't wanna see em rage quit like usual when its a killer they don't like XD

[midnight perch]

I need 1 person to do something

[stiff sundial]

PREG

holy cow! preg!

[midnight perch]

Yes lul, wanna help me out on dbd?

[stiff sundial]

i can’t im about to go to work lol i only checked this chat to see what everyone’s complaining about

[midnight perch]

ah dang

[wraith arrow]

hey, the people who tested ptb, is it that bad for killers?

[true trench]

awful

[wraith arrow]

shucks

is there any chance that bhvr will not release it?

[ripe bison]

When people say bully squad they are generally refering to 4 player groups on coms who specifically are trying to bully the killer as much as possible.

Typically there will be at least three of them using the exact same character and cosmetics. Three will run flashlights, sabotage, and antislug perks and all gang up on the killer constantly harrass them. If the killer downs one they will get flashed immedietly 1-3 times in succession while someone may be saboing the hook nearest hook. Goes on repeat until the 4th person on the squad finishs all the generators amidst the harassment. Theyll also use all looking exactly the same to disorient the killer, effectively body block, and avoid the killer focusing on one of the group to tunnel that person out and weaken their harassment.

[true trench]

I sure hope not, I literally just stopped playing because I can actually feel myself getting heated because I had another 0 kill game in a row

[fickle crane]

I've been playing it earlier today and it's not been too bad for me. It took some getting used to but while there are some parts I don't like, I don't think it's overall a bad patch if it gets a few tweaks

[true trench]

It's just frustrating how hard you have to work for any kill (hell ANY HOOK) as killer in the PTB

[random cargo]

Im not the only one who thinks it's wack

I dont know what but there's something in the air making me bad

[true trench]

Like, maybe I don't understand the new killer.

[random cargo]

I'm playing as a killer i know and im still struggling 💀

[true trench]

Actually, I might jump back in and play someone else just so I have something to compare it to

[random cargo]

maybe I'm just getting with people who are too good for me

[wraith arrow]

well, I don't know, I think you should try someone like kaneki

[random cargo]

Over my dead body

[storm oxide]

Personality since the big nerf to all régression perk, i was thinking they were gonna add a new powerful one, but nah

And yeah it is awful, had a game with Krasue where I tried my hardest to win, i just had 8 hook, no one was dead since I targeted only people that I didn't hook before to get the buff, yet i didn't killed a single soul

[true trench]

I also debated that also might be the case, but like, they also threw around new pallets

[static palm]

i know, i see a lot of 3 mans with flashlights, and honestly if those people are all on coms every time i see them. let me tell you they suck ahh. maybe the people in aus are becoming brain dead but if there's a killer in aus servers struggling with the teammates i get at the mmr i am that is just genuinely concerning or they just afk.

[random cargo]

Oh you know what it's probably that people have access to every perk item and add on

[true trench]

I honestly don't think people should have to play only S tier killers if they don't want to

[random cargo]

Everyone can be as strong as they want to, combined with most people playing in the ptb having lots of hours

[true trench]

DbD is not a competitive game

[random cargo]

I would like to do good with a character I like

[wraith arrow]

I mean if you want to win in unfair game play unfair

[ripe bison]

3 people rinning flashlights doesnt mean its a bully squad. Bully squads are heavily coordinated and om coms. They follow the killer around as a group and dont do gens.

[fickle crane]

I mean we sort of got basekit Pop so I guess the regression changes are meant to be compensation for that. Like everyone has an extra regression perk for free now

[random cargo]

"nooooo dont slug and tunnel" blinds you 10 times in a row

[true trench]

I mean, I guess? But like, I don't want the game to be unfair

I also don't want to have to run lightborn EVERY SINGLE MATCH just to have a good time

[wraith arrow]

no one wants to, like only the dev team wants otherwise

[ripe bison]

The issue with the PTB's antitunnel stuff is that it makes easier to bully the killer general even if it isnt a coordinated squad

[storm oxide]

I totally get that and it is a good change, but even with Krasue, gens popped before I could reach them sadly, i can't imagine with killer who have no mobilité how it feels

[static palm]

yeah homie idk if you listening to me but what i have been describing is exactly what your saying, the bully squads i encounter always end up having a fourth who is busy when i join.

[random cargo]

unspoken rulebook should include not blinding the killer 100000 times in a row if they're so pressed about fairness

I'd be less pissed off about it if it wasn't literally a migraine trigger risk for me lmao the accessibility options in the game are dogwater

[ripe bison]

Like in the PTB or in general? In the PTB everyone is gonna be running the same survivor regardless, but I can imagine people taking advantage of that fact to do it easier on top of it being easier to do without coms or coordination due to the antitunnel stuff.

[fickle crane]

Well, considering gen speeds weren't really touched this patch, that doesn't really change before or after the update

[ripe bison]

Being expected to play by another player's rulebook is part of why theres so much toxicity in the first place.

[random cargo]

true

[storm oxide]

I just hope they will touch gen speed when they push it live to make it better for killer with no mobility

[true trench]

If anything, the survivors should be expected to play by the killer's rulebook though

[random cargo]

If you can flash me infinitely then you better not complain about me targeting you when you do it

[static palm]

both my homie... it is rough a few tried to recruit me, but killers hate me enough so i just stay solo. they are always on comms and miss the flashlights....

[ripe bison]

Im with basically everyone in that they should just provide incentive rewards for killers when they hook different people rather rather than punishing them.

[true trench]

agreed

[random cargo]

What do you mean by "killers hate me"

[static palm]

i think it's funny killers are being treated like survivors now with the pointless buffs that go away when you do literally anything.

[ashen trail]

does anyone else feel like this patch has accidentally incentivised camping even more? Like, I'd camp a hook state before if I was near the hook and saw it had 10-15 seconds left until they staged, but now if I see a couple of survivors near the hook it feels awful to leave since they will reset for free with no notification, and I don't have any clue if I'm close to forcing a stage

[true trench]

the anti-tunnel wasn't needed. The anti-slugging, yes and I honestly have little issues with the change.

[static palm]

i snap ankles.

[ripe bison]

Ive almost never run into a true bully squad beyond maybe like two players harassing me or just players being asses in general.

[random cargo]

?

[true trench]

But the anti-tunnel sucks. It's awful to play with.

[static palm]

i think in my earlier days i saw like two but any squad that tries to mimic them does not work out well for any of us....

[random cargo]

anti-tunnel encourages you to slug even more so it kinda backfired

[ripe bison]

If youre leaving someone on the ground for like a minute and a half or two minutes then youre either bad or can't locate them. If not being a toxic slugman.

[static palm]

do you not recognise the terminology i am using dawg?

[random cargo]

What do you mean by snap ankles?

[static palm]

dang you clearly aint a vet...... it's loopin slang dawg

[true trench]

It's 90 seconds, which I think is a generous amount of time to not completely remove slugging, but also resolves the problems it had tbh

[random cargo]

Do I have to be a vet to be here? Didn't know that 💀

[ashen trail]

alternatively, I dared to play twins on swamp

[random cargo]

You could explain what it means instead of calling me a noob in workaround terms

[static palm]

nah man not what i meant? just surprised you haven't heard people say that before

[long raptor]

it's gonna be common that u can't locate them now that they move faster while slug and can recover while moving so they have no reason not to move away from where u downed them. the radius where they could possibly have gone in say 20s is pretty huge and ur gonna struggle to find them to the point where its probably not worth ur time combing through the area. so slugging even for a short time like 15-30s is gonna often end up in the slug just getting picked up

[static palm]

i wasn't? but i can call you one if you like if that's what your into homie....

[random cargo]

That's unnecessarily creepy

[ripe bison]

A friend of mine whos been playing since like year one or two has a saying: "survivors are assholes".

Putting it plainly, most really good survivor players enjoy goading or playing in an efficient manner while/before gloating about it to antagonize the killer.

[true trench]

Okay, i'm going into my knight game.

[random cargo]

Yeah that stuff really makes it frustrating and unfun to play

[long raptor]

i think the 90s pickup is fine but remove the way they just always recover automatically and can move while doing it cuz that makes even short term slugging often worthless

[true trench]

It will hopefully be nice to play a killer I know how to actually play, and then I'll report back on my findings on how bullshit getting kills in the ptb is

[static palm]

i just do gens because my team is allergic to them. they got like 6000 flashlights and try to take chase and die in two seconds.

[random cargo]

Like yes you're better than me congrats do you want to play the game or just get free points for a rage quit

[orchid creek]

This update blows and BHVR should be ashamed of this PTB. Been playing since 2020 and I've never seen something this bad. Definitely gonna drop this game if it goes through.

[random cargo]

^^

[waxen raptor]

Hi. Is this Discord server the official Discord server of the DBD game?

[static palm]

banana.

[random cargo]

I dont even mind if the recovery time is shorter as long as they cant crawl across the map if I turn my back

[sick marten]

It is indeed

[static palm]

let me moonwalk crawl across the map in peace

[ripe bison]

Thougb granted, one person goading and pissing off the killer is an actual strategy. A survivor will try to piss off and goad the killer into a chase or into tunneling them so they can distract the killer as they blindly chase them around.

[waxen raptor]

Does anyone here have a way to talk to the officials about not bringing this terrible update?

[static palm]

nope, it's coming baby AHAHAHAH HEAVEN

[sick marten]

We are entirely community run. We don’t have the power to influence the game like that

[random cargo]

Not really good sportsmanship because usually I just do that out of frustration rather than strategy

[ripe bison]

Best way to do it I think is to post on the forums.

[long raptor]

it think it should be clear to the devs that the general sentiment over the update is overall negative and it'll be toned down before it goes to live

[random cargo]

You shouldn't need to make somebody upset to win lmao

[waxen raptor]

The update that was released recently will surely get a nerf, my funny friend. Otherwise, everyone who plays the killer as their main character will quit the game.

[static palm]

never heard a killer say that before

[random cargo]

Especially if they add in constant flashlight blinds

[static palm]

nah dawg it's dbd they had a pole on the screen for like 80 years then ignored us and turned it into a stinkin badge

[random cargo]

Like I'm not gonna have fun if you keep throwing yourself in my face so I may as well get you out of the way so I'm not frustrated for longer

[waxen raptor]

What is it ?

[ripe bison]

Honestly it doesnt bother me at all cause its easy to recognize when someone is doing it to goad you into chase.

I might just be more accustomed to avoiding it due to maining Hag though.

[static palm]

WHAT

HE DOESNT KNOW JIM POLE

[random cargo]

I mostly ignore them though, just sucks when I'm already doing bad and frazzled about it because it's frustrating and then some toxic ass wants to upset me

[ashen trail]

they already tweeted clarifying that this was a test and changes can be made like an hour into the PTB lol. I don't expect an actually good and fixed patch, but it'll probably be better than this

[static palm]

he was on the match loadin screens for dbd for the walking dead chapter for agesssssss

[waxen raptor]

Everyone who uses the killer as their main character will either quit the game or switch to the survivor side. As a result, there will be long killer queue times. Let’s see what the next update will bring.

[weary pilot]

Man it's so effortless to remove Krasue's affliction

[random cargo]

This shouldn't have made it past their own QA testing so i dont have hope

[ashen trail]

that would make short killer queues fwiw

[random cargo]

Then the survivors would complain about long queue times and bhvr would make an update forcing you to only player killer for a certain amount of time

[ripe bison]

In the stream they described different parts of the antitunnel stuff in the PTB as individual groups of concepts they are testing out to see how go. Its clear that they dont intend for every single one of them to make it into the final decision.

[ashen trail]

huge agree, from my survivor testing so far the altruistic plays you can make off hook are just sickening. Not being able to body block your team might just be a buff

[little mortar]

You can still body block indirectly by vaulting Windows and pallets

[reef wadi]

I feel like the video Mr.Headache made says it all and the problems that all of the things on ptb will cause if they hit game. Not sure if I'm allowed to post here, but I can share if people wanna watch it

[ashen trail]

yeah but you're literally just doing it on purpose at that point. Nothing stopping you now from camping window now, allowing the survivor to take the vault, then blocking it for the killer

I don't want to have wraith counterplay be a thing against every killer in the game lol

[true trench]

update

[little mortar]

Exactly

[mild nimbus]

The 25% bonus needs to be adjusted, but I can see why they have placed it that high as a punishment against killers. This might even encourage survivors to let their teammate be sacrificed on the hook

[true trench]

there was a literal bot in my match and all 4 escaped. This entire patch is awful, and if this goes live I'm probably going to quit the game. This isn't fun.

[ashen trail]

I actually feel quite good about it as an indirect twins buff, because victor has been bugged to have no unhook notification for years lmao

[reef wadi]

Exactly

[marble bridge]

The changes are degenerate. Delete the patch completely.

[mild nimbus]

Yesterday, I had a 3 survivor team that told me to be hooked and let me sacrificed to see if it was worth the 25% repair speed and the no gen regression for the killer, and I spectated after I got sacrificed, and they literally repaired 5 gens so quicky

Imagine this coupled with toolboxes and some gen boosting perks

[reef wadi]

It's a team game

[true trench]

I haven't gone up against a single solo queue player all night

[little mortar]

Which everyone will bring be cause your anti-tunnel perk slots just freed up.

[true trench]

and if I did, I couldn't tell

[ashen trail]

solo queue players deserve something like a nerfed base kindred that doesn't hugely buff swfs, not sweeping killer nerfs. mindlessly healing under hook with we'll make it isn't exactly making solo better relative to swf, it's just making survivor stronger

[reef wadi]

I have dude

[true trench]

I do play solo queue when I play survivor (I don't have my friends 🙁 ) but like

[graceful rampart]

if the changes make it live im quitting, and im a surv main😭

[little mortar]

I did/do, thanks.

[true trench]

I understand solo queue is frustrating, but swfs get the same changes and playing against swfs is frustrating

[long raptor]

i have 2x the time on survivor than i do killer mostly solo queue and i think the changes are too much. bin half the anti tunnel stuff and just give basekit bond to people who queue alone

[true trench]

becuase it doesn't feel like I can do anything but sit down and lose in this ptb

[reef wadi]

Let's put it this way, if you were playing a game like R6 Siege and you were playing by yourself should you get some kind of bonus just because you're not in a queue with friends?

I know solo queue survivor players who say these changes are ass

[mild nimbus]

You can’t compare siege with dbd

[ashen trail]

yeah they should be paying me real life money to solo q that hellhole

[reef wadi]

I'm using it as an example because it's a team based game

[long raptor]

no but u at least "technically" could achieve a similar level of coms in that game cuz it has built in voice chat. also in a game like this i dont think its bad to allow a small buff to solo queue players to bring them up to par with SWF cuz the gap is much bigger than a game like r6 i would say

[little mortar]

The other thing is that not every swf is equal. Sometimes I have comms, sometimes I'm literally just in a lobby with a friend. Should those be treated the same?

[dense geyser]

3 whole hooks and we got a 4k rage quit, gg

[long raptor]

not that this patch is a small buff to solo queue its a huge buff to all survivors and too much fer sure

[dense geyser]

basekit everything isn't enough when a survivor sees a kaneki (I'm trying the new perk on him)

[ashen trail]

notably though, siege has voice comms and pings which is the huge gap between swf and solo q. Not that I want voice in DBD, but that is something that ONLY buffs solo q

[marble bridge]

The changes they will get is getting taken hostage by endgame builds like endgame singularity making miserable 40 mins matches for everyone. God i actually hate survivor mains with a passion.

[mild nimbus]

They could just simply add the messages like we have in mobile

Like Split up, the killer has a new target, the killer is near me

[ashen trail]

nobody will play endgame singu because it is simply boring

[reef wadi]

I'm not saying the game is perfect and flawless but asking for some kind of bonus above the rest of your team because you're queuing by yourself is a little crazy

[restive summit]

the devs said this is strictly testing so if the community absolutely rejects these changes is it possible they scrap the whole patch

[long raptor]

if they added a coms wheel to dbd and maybe basekit bond that'd already be a huge win for solo queue. a communication wheel just with stuff like "im going for the unhook" "im not going for the unhook" "im gonna stick the gen im on" "killer is near me" stuff like that

[true trench]

People will... trust me... people will. There is a reason why nurse players exist

[marble bridge]

Its not boring for the killer

[tame rapids]

running decisive strike literally for fun because it does nothing at the moment

[round dove]

Is it normal for the ptb to not have my current progress from some days ago? Since some of the killers n survivors i own in the actual game arent there and all of my bloodwebs are down to p0??

[restive summit]

they changed how it works

[true apex]

I'm a solo Q survivors player, these changes actively makes it so there's no incentive to play teamwork if one of the survivors is lacking/falling behind.

25% speed and free gens for other 3 players means the killer loses by default so if someone gets hooked early just let them die

[long raptor]

ye i think that'd be decent and a coms wheel like i wrote above. the anti tunnel slop is just the wrong direction i think

[restive summit]

u get everything for free the system they did is fine @round dove

[round dove]

So its normal to have everything p0 right?

[restive summit]

yes dw its not a glitch

[round dove]

Oh okay thank you for helping

[ashen trail]

literally just open a bloodweb, it insta maxes ur utems

[restive summit]

its explained in detail in the message section

[reef wadi]

Go to the bloodweb and it'll be p3

[marble bridge]

All killers should absolutely boycott the patch. Play Bubba, hard tunnel 1 player into dying very early, then go to the basement and afk till next match

[tame rapids]

if you simply open the bloodweb you get every addon x99 and every perk in the game on that killer. plus prestige 3

[mild nimbus]

Yea, I am afraid of this a lot

[little mortar]

When you click on the bloodweb they'll bump up to P4

[long raptor]

mostly agree ye. but just fyi leaving someone to die on hook wont give the killer the penalties. it has to be the killer causing the kill by hooking/mori or whatever, if they get hooked once and are left to go stage 2 then die it doesn't count

[ashen trail]

another huge W for camping

[long raptor]

xdd ye

[restive summit]

any killer mains noticing how taxing it is mentally to track the surv rulebook in your head while already playing a demanding and stressful game

even with the hud info

[reef wadi]

If you want all the gens to get done. Of course with these changes it really doesn't matter anyway lol

[dense geyser]

Survivors with 3+ new basekit perks vs the sound of a kaneki leap
Who wins?
Hint its not the survivor (they quit upon seeing the kagune)

[reef wadi]

Yeah, because they quit :p

[ashen trail]

the most powerful ability in the game is the twins' unbind, I hit it at the start of the game and two players disconnect on the spot

[ripe bison]

Easy answer: just ignore it outside of intentional bleedout and hard tunnel

[mild nimbus]

LMAO Exactly what happened yesterday against one at Badham

I was the only one who stayed to play 🤣

[restive summit]

i am trying but its impossible to ignore its so engrained in the gameplay now

[ripe bison]

Not really

[dense geyser]

3 hooks and 4 DC's thats how we like our 20 minute que times

[reef wadi]

Lmao exactly

[ashen trail]

I played a game yesterday where a huntress did not get any hooks for three minutes in the midgame then was hit with both tunnel penalties when she finally caught someone out of position. not really a "hard tunnel"

[ripe bison]

I play Hag and people scream at me for being a camper "not playing the game" now and then. I just ignore it and/or find it amusing.

[restive summit]

yeah u get punished even if u dont "hard tunnel"

[ashen trail]

like sure, she was going to lose anyway, but that felt DIRTY

[reef wadi]

Survivors are gonna complain regardless. Had a game with a 3k and went to one of them's stream to say good game and they were mad at me because I killed them. Said I should've let them go because they tried really hard

[bronze perch]

I feel like the basekit tenacity on survivors needs to be tuned down a bit

[mild nimbus]

As a Hag main, a lot involves camping. I used to play Hag but dropped her for Plague and Artist, because I got bored with her very passive playstyle.

[ripe bison]

If you ignore whatever mental rulebook a survivor has without these changes in the ptb (unless youre blatantly being an asshole by intentionally hard tunneling earlygame or going for bleedout kills) ir shouldnt be an issue.

Creating hard penalties for vaguely doing anything that could potentially be being an ass is just stupid, hence why this ptb stuff sucks.

[reef wadi]

I feel like the new tenacity needs to be changed as well. The new kit for it kind of promotes letting yourself get slugged

[ashen trail]

tbf doing generators kind of promotes not being slugged

[graceful rampart]

how big are thr chamces for the anti tunnel anti slug changes to make it live? ive only started like a month ago

[ripe bison]

Its not as passive as one would assume if youre up against survivors who know what theyre doing though. You have to constantly manage your web, move it around, all the while dealing with several people trying to harass you and take out the web

[true apex]

How about if they get to the second hook? Honestly haven't tested this.

I mean they get hooked twice in a row and die there.

Even if that's not the case is not difficult to have a game state where you have 1-1-2 hooks and the 2 hooks players happens to be the one you find and have to hook them since if you slug them it'll be worse too

[reef wadi]

Astronomical. Good luck if you're a new killer main or enjoy the training wheels if you're a survivor

[ashen trail]

50/50 bhvr just sends it tbh, they don't have a good track record. It'll get toned down a little bit but I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't see sweeping changes

[mild nimbus]

I like the anti tunnel but not the boosts survivors get (25% boost repair and no regression for the killer)

[honest hamlet]

I think the survivor should have i-frames instead of endurance so that they cant take hit, but make killer powers like the box from PH conspicous action. Also remove the tunnel punishment

[ripe bison]

Its extremely unlikely that ALL of them will make it to live.

Given the backlash I wouldnt be surprised if none of the antitunnel is kept tbh.

The antislug stuff has been well recieved by most players, only criticism primarily being surrounding the basekit tenacity and whether or not the timer for antislug should be longer.

[reef wadi]

There have been so many people say that if this goes through after testing it today and seeing pros losing so badly that they're gonna quit the game

[true apex]

Also the perk nerfs are horrible

[long raptor]

u already get a penalty for hooking twice in a row, or at least u dont get the bonuses but i dont think it would trigger the kill before 6 hooks penalty if u only hooked them twice and then they were left to die on hook

[ripe bison]

WHY DID THEY NERF MONITOR AAAAAH

[reef wadi]

Rip bbq

[ripe bison]

BBQ is only like that because of the experimenting of it being basekit tho

[ashen trail]

I totally see a timeline where they walk back base bbq and keep the reworked perk lmao

[gilded imp]

i do like seeing individual hookstates

[tame rapids]

new bbq (perk) kinda sucks

[ruby dove]

Pls no

[long raptor]

there would be global unrest and riots worldwide

[ripe bison]

They should make the OG bbq bloodpoint bonus basekit

[reef wadi]

Yeah, but making it so you only get the benefit after hooking all 4 survivors 1 time and it only being a bonus 5% to kicks is just gross

[ashen trail]

you got there lol

[reef wadi]

Same man...same

[true apex]

Giving basekit perks is a design mistake to both sides

[long raptor]

oopsi

[honest hamlet]

it shoul not trigger the tunnel punishment for gen blocking and regressing but for now it is inconsistent, it is a known issue

[ashen trail]

basekit BT was a good change tbh

[ripe bison]

Im not sayinf the basekit thing is a good idea or well designed or anything. Just that BBQ is only reworked in the ptb to go along with the weaker basekit bbq

[reef wadi]

I honestly feel like the anti-tunneling stuff (the parts that don't obviously need to be taking out or changed) should kick out after hooking a new survivor. Like it's not tunneling if you stand in my way and keep blocking the hits

[ruby dove]

Wasnt enough apparently considering now they just want to make it so you lose if the downside triggers (I like the BT change tbh)

[digital forge]

I don't mind the anti slugging thing but I feel like maybe they could buff Krasue a bit when she comes to the live servers?

[reef wadi]

Why should killers be punished for playing well?

[ruby dove]

Because to live is to suffer

Killers didnt pray to BHVR hard enough. Punishments must be handed down

[reef wadi]

So true

[true apex]

It's the start of a slippery slope. Perks are supposed to be a "pick what you want to be strong at" while leaving yourself open with weaknesses on other aspects.

Basekit perks cover those weaknesses, so there's no reason to build around specific strategies, just "pick the best one"

[tidal harbor]

How does bbq work now?

[digital forge]

I love the art design of this chapter, it's so cool

[terse iris]

We need survivor nerf if killer nerf

[tame lagoon]

Man this PtB feels like trash. Now there's no reason to be afraid of the killer as the most recently hooked survivor.

[reef wadi]

After you hook each survivor once, you get a bonus 5% regression to gen kicks

[ashen trail]

I don't know if you played before basekit BT but that perk was literally mandatory. Like, survivors had 3 perk slots. Was bad.

[ruby dove]

As I said, this is just gonna make them cling to you like flies to poop. Flashlight saving madness

[tidal harbor]

That sucks

[long raptor]

completey different effect "After hooking all Survivors once, increase the base generator damage by 3/4/5%"
https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/1n7h5bn/920_ptb_patch_notes/

[ruby dove]

Can't you only kick a gen like 8 times?

[tidal harbor]

It used to be so good dude now its useless

[ripe bison]

Ive said it a lot already but the starting and ending lag between different actions related to the head mode is really bad and makes hee feel clunky to play.

Also, some of her addons are a bit too much and need nerfs or rework. Like her addon which can effectively make multiple or potentially all the survivors blind for most of the game, or the addon which reveals the aura of every survivor within a radius of or carrying a mushroom.

[tame lagoon]

Ah I didn't see anything that's been said as I just got done trying a bunch of games and there's just no threat of killers in this update so figured I'd talk crap about it.

[long raptor]

ye which is why nerfed eruption is even more ass than before. each time u kick a gen its gonna get damaged again on the next down so ur gonna run out of kicks twice as fast

[dense geyser]

The iri addon on kaneki still provides free BBQ

[ashen trail]

8 regression events, so using pop on a gen is one because it's part of your kick, but eruption is two (one on the kick, one when it explodes)

[reef wadi]

As I heard people said this would never fly if this was against survivors like what if behavior made a change so that if you got a gen done within the 1st minute of the game every survivor suffered a hookstate

[tidal harbor]

Guys deerstalker is now a must-use perk cuz slugged survivors are moving at 100 km/h

[ruby dove]

but survivors cant tap gens for 1 picosecond to stop regression. Nice. (Not the immediate but yeah)

[reef wadi]

Not if they run tenacity

[long raptor]

exactly why i think the eruption nerf was not needed at all, its sooo ass now

[tame lagoon]

I can do a gen with 0 risk because I know if the killer downs me it creates no pressure as I can let the team do gens and just unlock unbreakable, if they hook me in a SWF you can punish the killer and force yourself to die to guarantee all gens are done in about a minute.

[dense geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[amber perch]

I hope people who were saying the tunnelling and slugging changes aren’t as bad as they look and that we should try it first are eating their words lol

[true apex]

I did, it really wasn't. But survivors treated it as such because it was extremely good. So the devs made it so you wouldn't need to pick it.

Thing is you're left with less choices as they keep adding perks. I do agree survs had to get it, but now look where that train of thought got us

[ripe bison]

They reworked deer stalker in the ptb though. It has an entirelt different effect.

[tidal harbor]

What does it do?

[ripe bison]

I forgot

[amber perch]

I love being punished for playing the game with minimal benefits for complying with these changes

[long raptor]

it's object of obsession for killer

[ruby dove]

Deerstalker just shows auras back now. Its horrible

[long raptor]

u see the survivors aura whenever they see urs

[dense geyser]

When the survivor sees your arua
You see theirs

• every 30 seconds u see the survivors aura with the least chase time

[tidal harbor]

That sucks?

[ripe bison]

The antislug is fine for the most part though it just needs tweeks. I think most people are in agree in that atm

[long raptor]

depends what the surviors bring, i imagine its pretty good if they have kindred cuz then u just got free aura on everyone whenever u go near the hook lol

[amber perch]

Yeah true it’s the tunnelling changes that’s the main problem

[dense geyser]

They really don't want anyone to slug XD

[ruby dove]

They straight up nerfed 2 killer perks in this one patch lmao

Deerstalker was GREAT

[ripe marlin]

Y'all need to stop looking at it as being punished and realize it's just to get you to play the game differently to get rid of less pleasant tactics.

[modest tree]

Nerfed all the gen regressor perks

[restive summit]

its punishment go play killer please

[reef wadi]

If it was 90 for every hookstate I don’t think it’d be that bad but 90 total is just bad

[amber perch]

Absolutely is

[ruby dove]

that too

[tame lagoon]

It feels like Behavior is just trying to punish killers for doing anything less than running meta killers with toxic builds, so survivors get pissed off and run meta perks just so everyone is miserable.

Like I'm afraid to even touch killer as it looks miserable as hell... It was already stressful enough that killer has always been harder due to the fact that a single mistake can destroy your entire run while survivor (I'm a survivor main) is chill 90% of the game just relaxing unless I want to try to pull agro all game.

[true apex]

It's "play the way we want or we punish you"

[tidal harbor]

They buffed everything abt survivors and nerfed everything abt killer

[ruby dove]

The new base BBQ barely triggers lol

[ripe bison]

They buffed Ruin though and I dont think they touched pain res

[ripe marlin]

Just like dc penalties, removing the yeet options etc.

[modest tree]

They nerfed pain res

[restive summit]

yeah new basekit bbq is very bad i got nearly zero value from it

[ripe bison]

Im surprised they buffed ruin tbh

[ashen trail]

hey, that's not fair, they nerfed going next because the killer will slug you instead of eating the tunnel penalty now

[ripe bison]

Oof

[dense geyser]

I'd say thats overdoing it, you just gotta be a bit more everywhere really
Can't stay in one part of the map or the new changes will punish ya

[tame lagoon]

Even if you get value you pretty much need to be Ghoul, Nurse, Blight, or Billy to get any value because it's super situational BBQ.

[true apex]

DC always should be penalized, you're disconnecting from a competitive state game.

[ruby dove]

To bad ruin is a hex perk, you gotta sacrifice your family for the grace to not have it cleansed

[modest tree]

Yup I played a match last night survivors spawned right next to it

[ripe bison]

Meh, depends on the map. You shouldnt be purely relying on it either way unless its a hex build.

[ruby dove]

Rather just not rng a perk slot tbh

[ripe bison]

Reminds me. I think its funny how noone has talked about how survivors have infinite sprint burst in the ptb due to that new perk

[restive summit]

the exploit ?

[ripe bison]

Its not an exploit

[ruby dove]

Stacking bonuses

[restive summit]

what are you talking about then

[modest tree]

But you know survivors can keep reupping boons but they can completely negate 1 of ours

[reef wadi]

10% cooldown on exhaustion perks

[modest tree]

Vigil ghostnotes sprint burst fixated

[reef wadi]

Oh tagged wrong person sorry lol

[ripe bison]

Theres a new perk that passively reduces the recovery time of exaustion by 10% and hides scratchmarks whike exhausted. It stacks with vigil, though vigil was also fixed so it only applies to one survivor at a time.

[true apex]

Basically run S-tiers or go home

[ashen trail]

ghost notes is really not worth the perk slot for the exhaustion recovery imho, it's 4 seconds without vigil and worse with it

[restive summit]

oh yeah i knew about that is it correct that its 50% total or 76% has anyone actually verified this in the ptb

[reef wadi]

Run that new perk with light weight and you virtually have no scratch marks and infinite sprint burst

[restive summit]

because 10 second sb vs 20 second is big difference

[humble kindle]

i think we should think of it as a sidegrade to lightweight

[ripe bison]

You recover from exhaustion while vaulting and can stop running in small intervals naturally mid chase. Its not difficult to exploit.

[ashen trail]

the scratch marks thing is solid, sure, but this is no blood rush exploit. If you get SBed twice in a chase now, it was probably going to happen before with just vigil anyway

[dusk moth]

i found out in the ptb that if for example dwight was hooked for the second time in a trial, find and more a meg who has already been hooked twice, find and mori a nea who has already been hooked twice, then find the dwight who is now on death hook and hook him that the game still classifies it as tunneling and blocks all the gens and gives the penalty. can we please make it so moris count as hook stages for this new system if it makes it to live so people arent punished for going after moriable targets?
also turn lockers into a killer item for the dredge so hes playable on all maps

[tame lagoon]

Run S-tiers or get bullied and get called trash, you suck, or gg ez after the match 😂 run S-tiers and get called trash, you suck, and lame for needing to run S-tier.

The balance of DBD.

[reef wadi]

You also have to add on the speed boost you get for like 30 seconds because you were unhooked

[ashen trail]

4 seconds is just such a miserably small number when there are so many strong survivor perks you have to pass up for it

[winged grail]

omg i am in love with this new krasue killer. it’s so gory!!

[ruby dove]

A reminder that nurse could still tunnel literally everyone and still win even with these changes (didnt mean to ping)

[humble kindle]

Play with meme perks that dont actively make the game harder, learn to play survivor

When you are ready to take the training weights off, put on S tier perks

[ripe bison]

Finally getting proper dismemberment in a mori is nice.

[true apex]

That's why you ignore chat 99% of the time

[reef wadi]

Also the tiny boost you get for hooking someone new only helps killers that get the nerfed version. Even with that boost and base pop you can’t get across the map to use it before the gen pops

[obsidian coral]

Does anyone know if i can send a link here about a post i made on DBD website regarding feedback for the PTB? Or is there any other place to send this that would be better?

[humble kindle]

the dismemberment is straight out of garry's mod

The head was shrunk and the clipping neck pokes out of the overlayed headless neck

[obsidian coral]

Would love an answer to that

[calm wagon]

they should make hook speed faster for unique hooks as well

[modest tree]

Last night I got called out for using light born...against 4 flashlights xD

[uncut veldt]

Does anyone see a downside to making it so the resolve meter (anti-slug bar) only goes up when the killer is further than 8m to like 16m away?

[ashen trail]

automod'll delete it

[true apex]

This might be the only good thing about the PTB. The flavor of the killer is on-point.

[tame lagoon]

Pffft damn Lightborners.

[obsidian coral]

i see

[humble kindle]

basement is removed as an option

[modest tree]

Yup lol it's ridiculous

[marble knoll]

Wait, what?? Basement has been removed?

[true apex]

How dare you use counterplay and use the game mechanics in your favor.

[tame lagoon]

I'm kidding lol, but yeah no I don't enjoy playing Killer the queues are too long for how stressful it is. I just enjoy my simple life as a Survivor.

[modest tree]

For real how dare I want to enjoy a match and not be stunned 24/7 because of your flashlights

[humble kindle]

nah im just saying if you slug around the basement (shack/building) people will get picked up from verticality

[marble knoll]

Yeah

[tame lagoon]

I mean I always hate when I see a lightborn 😂 but that lasts for the like .5 seconds the lightborn save would of been pulled off then it's like "Oh shame, I guess I gotta do gens instead of lingering here for 10 minutes for a save." and "Bahaha made them waste a perk slot."

[true apex]

You're not playing as intended. You're supposed to be the kindergarten teacher's aid and just check the kids in the playground if they get a boo-boo

[calm wagon]

and then you realize you can find another excuse to not do gens by body blocking instead

[humble kindle]

hide an seek with playground rules and invulnerability spots

[uncut veldt]

not really, if the bar would only fill up as long as ur not near the survivor, u would be allowed to slug only standing next to one

[true apex]

Slug camping! New mechanic unlocked!